Q2 2025 James River Group Holdings Ltd Earnings Call
Desiree: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the James River Group Q2 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to visualize a question again, press the star one. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bob DiMardo, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. You may begin.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree and I will be your conference operator. Today, at this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the James River group Q2, 2025 earnings call all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to be drawn a question, again, press the star 1, I would now like to turn the conference over
To Bob zardo, Senior vice president of investor relations, you may begin.
Bob DiMardo: Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the James River Group second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. During the call, we will be making forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current beliefs, intentions, expectations, and assumptions that are subject to various risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to differ materially. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, please see the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements in yesterday's earnings release and the risk factors of our most recent Form 10-K and our other reports and filings we have made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements. In addition, during this presentation, we may reference non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our earnings press release for a reconciliation of these numbers to GAAP, a copy of which can be found on our website.
Good morning, everybody.
The James River group second quarter.
Earnings conference call.
During the call, we'll be making forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current beliefs, intentions, expectations, and assumptions that are subject to various risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to differ materially.
For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, please see the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements in yesterday's earnings release and the risk factors of our most recent form, 10K. And our other reports in filings, we have made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements.
Bob DiMardo: Lastly, unless otherwise specified for the reasons described in our earnings press release, all underwriting performance ratios referred to are for our continuing operations and business that is not subject to retroactive reinsurance accounting for loss portfolio transfers. I will now turn the call over to Frank D'Orazio, Chief Executive Officer of James River Group.
The Gap. A copy of which can be found on our website. Lastly, unless otherwise specified for the reasons. Described in our earnings press release. All underwriting performance ratios referred to are for our continuing operations and business. That is not subject to retroactive reinsurance accounting for loss, portfolio transfers. I will now turn the call over to Frank, dazzio, Chief Executive Officer of James River group.
Frank D'Orazio: Thank you for that introduction, Bob. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to James River's second quarter 2025 earnings call. I am thrilled to be joining you today to share the details of another strong quarter of improved performance and increasing momentum throughout our flagship BNS business. We ended the second quarter with an annualized adjusted net operating return on tangible common equity of 14%, consistent with the mid-teens return target we have guided towards, and $0.23 per share of adjusted net operating income for the second quarter. While we now have delivered consecutive quarters evidencing the prudence of our decisions to de-risk and upgrade our underwriting governance processes, we also continue to demonstrate our willingness to take the necessary steps to support our overriding objective to increase profitability and deliver shareholder value as a leading specialty insurer in the ENS space.
Thank you for that introduction. Bob, good morning everyone and welcome to James River, second quarter 2025 earnings call. Um, thrilled to be joining you today to share the details of another strong quarter of improved performance and increasing momentum, throughout our Flagship being s business.
We ended the second quarter with an annualized, adjusted net operating return on tangible. Common Equity a 14% consistent with the mid teens return Target. We've guide to we've guided towards and 23 cents per share of adjusted net. Operating income for the second quarter.
While we now have delivered consecutive quarters evidencing the Prudence of our decisions to de-risk and upgrade our underwriting governance processes. We also to continue to demonstrate our willingness to take the necessary steps.
To support our overriding objective.
To increase profitability and deliver shareholder value as a leading specialty insurer in the ens space.
Frank D'Orazio: You will hear a few key themes repeated throughout our collective comments today, focused on: one, our organizational positioning; two, our people; and three, the company's drive for profitability. As usual, I will start the conversation and will then turn it over to Sarah before we open up the discussion for questions. First, I would like to start by spending a few moments on the concept of portfolio positioning because our belief is it materially impacts overall profitability. Positioning includes many elements: business mix, reinsurance strategy, customer focus, pricing and underwriting approach, management structure, and operational efficiency. Over the last two years, we have built a consistent feedback loop and significantly improved our performance monitoring, allowing us to evaluate shifting market conditions and trends in our data to adjust our underwriting and risk management approach accordingly.
You will hear a few key themes, repeated throughout our Collective comments today, focused on 1. Our organizational, positioning 2 are people and 3 the companies drive for profitability.
As usual, I'll start the conversation, and we'll then turn it over to Sarah before we open up the discussion for questions.
But first, I'd like to start by spending a few moments on the concept of portfolio positioning because our belief is it materially. Impacts overall profitability positioning includes many elements business. Mix, reinsurance strategy, customer focus.
Frank D'Orazio: That work is now producing tangible results, building momentum in both performance and execution, particularly in the most recent accident years. Perhaps not surprisingly, the company's focus and core competency continues to reflect a uniquely wholesale, dedicated ENS portfolio, which has made us extremely relevant to the same distribution partners that we have listened to, serviced, and traded with since 2003. Our portfolio was focused on U.S.-based small and medium enterprises, predominantly in third-party lines, with limited exposure to more commoditized sectors such as excess property and primary commercial auto, limiting our relative exposure to natural catastrophe risk, as well as potential future downstream impacts from the administration's tariff policy.
Pricing and underwriting approach management structure and operational efficiency over the last few years. We've built a consistent feedback loop and significantly. Improved, our performance monitoring allowing us to evaluate shifting market, conditions and Trends in our data. To adjust our underwriting and risk management approach accordingly.
That work is now producing tangible results, building momentum in both performance and execution. Particularly in the most recent accident years.
Perhaps not surprisingly, the company's focus and core competency continues to reflect a uniquely wholesale, dedicated DNS portfolio which has made us extremely relevant to the same distribution partners that we have listened to serviced and traded with since 2003.
Our portfolio was focused on us-based small and medium Enterprises predominantly in third-party lines with limited exposure. To more commoditized sectors such as excess property and primary Commercial Auto.
Limiting our relative exposure to Natural catastrophe risk, as well as potential future Downstream impacts from the administration's tariff policy.
Frank D'Orazio: I believe what we are seeing in this quarter's results is a reflection of much of that same broader positioning: steady underwriting discipline and strong broker relationships, operating in a compelling rate environment, and translating into healthy submission flow, demonstrable positive rate change, and consistent performance. It is creating meaningful momentum, not just in profitability, but in confidence inside the organization as we continue to chart the company's turnaround. Gross written premium for casualty ENS increased 4% compared to the prior year quarter, accelerating from 1% of casualty growth reported in the first quarter this year. Overall, the ENS segment grew 3% over the same comparable period, an encouraging indicator of our ambitions to profitably grow the segment while refocusing on smaller accounts and further taking advantage of market opportunities.
I believe what we're seeing in this quarter's results is a reflection of much of that same broader positioning
Steady underwriting discipline and strong. Broker relationships operating in a compelling rate, environment and translating into healthy submission flow.
Demonstrable positive rate change and consistent performance. It is creating meaningful momentum. Not just in profitability, but in confidence inside the organization, as we continue to chart the company's turnaround.
Gross written premium for casity, ens increased 4% compared to the prior year quarter. Accelerating from 1% of casualty growth reported in the first quarter this year.
Overall the ens segment grew 3% over the same comparable period and encouraging indicator of our Ambitions to profitably grow the segment while refocusing on smaller accounts and further taking advantage of Market opportunities.
Frank D'Orazio: Notably, this marks the first time we have surpassed $300 million in ENS gross written premiums in a single quarter, a meaningful milestone for the segment, and additionally noteworthy as we have made a number of significant underwriting changes over the last three years in particular, again, while focusing on smaller commercial accounts. While our larger divisions, excess casualty, general casualty, and manufacturers and contractors continue to gain traction and scale, we also saw 25% growth in allied health and 12% growth in energy during the quarter. Renewal rates remained healthy across most divisions, with overall casualty rates up 14.5% in the quarter, including rate change of over 20% in our excess casualty portfolio on both a second quarter and year-to-date basis. Additionally, submission volume increased 6% during the quarter, reflecting both the continued overall strength of the ENS market and the depth of our broker-partner relationships.
Notably this marks the first time we've surpassed 300 million Indians gross written premiums in a single quarter, a meaningful milestone for the segment and additionally noteworthy. As we have made a number of significant underwriting changes over the last 3 years and particular again, while focusing on smaller commercial accounts,
While our larger divisions excess, casualty General, casualty and manufacturers and contractors continue to gain traction and scale.
We also saw 25% growth in Allied Health and 12% growth in energy during the quarter.
Renewal rates remained healthy across most divisions, with overall casualty rates up 14% and 1.5% in the quarter, including rate changes of over 20% in our excess casualty portfolio on both a second quarter and year-to-date basis.
Additionally submission, volume increased 6% during the quarter reflecting both the continued overall strength of the ens market and the depth of our broker partner relationships.
Frank D'Orazio: Given the significant portfolio management underwriting changes that we have made since 2023 and the continued strong indicators from those corresponding accident years showing a notable drop in claims counts, we took the opportunity to increase the retention of our mid-year excess casualty quota share in an effort to keep more of the underwriting profits we continue to feel excited about. Additionally, during the treaty renewal process, we improved overall pricing on the program and received more treaty authorizations than we were seeking, while adding several new quality reinsurance partners to our stable of existing panel members, which is just another positive external validation of the underwriting actions and portfolio repositioning that has taken place over the last few years.
News that we have made, since 2023, and the continued strong indicators. From those corresponding accident years, showing a notable drop in claims counts, we took the opportunity to increase the retention of our midyear ens casualty quoted share in an effort to keep more of the underwriting profits. We continue to feel excited about
Additionally, during the treaty renewal process, we improved overall pricing on the program and received more treaty authorizations than we were seeking while adding several New Quality. Reinsurance Partners to our stable of existing panels, which is just another positive external, validation of the underwriting actions and portfolio repositioning that has taken place over the last few years.
Frank D'Orazio: In our specialty admitted segment, we remain opportunistically positioned with very deliberate low net retentions across our fronting business programs, as we have significantly culled the commercial auto components that we believe do not meet our profitability or reinsurance security hurdles. Finally, as disclosed last month, we are pleased that the Southern District of New York has granted our request for dismissal of the federal matter related to the sale of our former Bermuda reinsurance entity. With respect to our people, you will recall that I mentioned management structure and operational efficiency earlier in my remarks, and I am extremely excited about the new energy and leadership structure that has been unveiled in our excess casualty insurance segment. Following Todd Sutherland's appointment as President of our excess casualty insurance business in May, we have taken a hard look at how we are managing our 15 divisions across excess casualty insurance.
In our specialty admitted segment we remain opportunistically positioned with very deliberate low, net retention across our fronted programs business. As we have significantly cold, the commercial, Auto components that we believe do not meet our profitability or reinsurance security hurdles.
And finally, as disclosed last month, we are pleased, that the southern district of New York has granted our request for dismissal of the federal matter related to the sale of our former Bermuda, reinsurance entity.
Now, with respect to our people, you will recall that I mentioned management structure and operational efficiency earlier in my remarks, and I'm extremely excited about the new energy and Leadership structure that has been unveiled in our ens segment.
Frank D'Orazio: Prospectively, those divisions will roll up into one of five primary business segments, where we have further empowered designated leaders to manage the segment to achieve our growth and profitability objectives. We strongly believe this evolution increases our ability to stay nimble, allowing us to more quickly and thoughtfully respond to market dynamics and opportunities while driving increased underwriting accountability and responsibility throughout the excess casualty insurance underwriting leadership at James River. Additionally, we have sought to complement our already deep bench at James River with appointments that will bring new energy and additional expertise to our company. The past quarter saw us welcome Val Langenberg as Group Chief Information Officer and promote and introduce Justin Zaharas as our new Group Chief Claims Officer. Together, they will be instrumental in advancing our initiatives across data, technology, and claims, respectively.
Following Todd Sutherland's appointment as president of our ens business. In may, we have taken a hard look at how we are managing our 15 divisions across the ANS.
Prospectively those divisions will roll up into 1 of 5 primary business segments, where we have further empowered, designated leaders, to manage the segment, to achieve our growth and profitability objectives.
We strongly believe this Evolution increases, our ability to stay Nimble allowing us to more quickly and thoughtfully respond to market, dynamics, and opportunities while driving increased underwriting, accountability and responsibility throughout the ens underwriting leadership at James River.
Additionally, we've sought to complement our already, deep bench at James River with appointments that will bring new energy and additional expertise to our company.
The past quarter saw us. Welcome Val Langenburg as group Chief Information officer and promote and introduce
Justin zaharis as our new group, Chief claims officer.
Frank D'Orazio: More recently, Joel Caviness joined our board of directors with decades of property and casualty wholesale distribution leadership experience. Suffice it to say, we are very excited to have his presence and expertise on the board of James River. We will continue to remain focused on profitability and seek to maximize underwriting opportunities while managing risk and expenses across the company. We have made significant progress in operating efficiency and expense management this quarter and look forward to our planned re-domicile to the United States likely later this year, a move which is expected to bring operational efficiencies as well as significant one-time and ongoing cost savings to the organization. With an underwriting profit of $11.7 million, the combined ratio in the ENS segment was 91.7%, nearly four points lower than the prior year quarter, and complemented by widespread price increases and growth across most underwriting divisions.
Together, they will be instrumental in advancing our initiatives across data technology and claims respectively.
And more recently. Joel, cavernous joined our board of directors with Decades of Property and Casualty wholesale distribution leadership experience.
That's suffice it to say, we're very excited, to have his presence and expertise on the board of James River.
We will continue to remain focused on profitability and seek to maximize underwriting opportunities while managing risk and expenses across the company. We've made significant progress in operating efficiency and expense management this quarter and look forward to our planned, re-domicile to the United States. Like we later this year a move which is expected to bring operational efficiencies as well, as significant 1-time and ongoing cost savings to the organization.
With an underwriting profit of 11.7 million, the combined ratio, and the ens segment was 91.7% nearly 4 Points. Lower than the prior year quarter and complemented by widespread price increases and growth across most underlying divisions.
Frank D'Orazio: In our ENS portfolio, average premium per policy declined almost 20%, while policies enforced rose slightly compared to the second quarter of 2024. This dynamic, coupled with the strong rate changes we just discussed, exemplifies our deliberate strategy to target small to medium-sized accounts that have historically been more profitable and least vulnerable to turnover. As mentioned previously, we are managing our specialty admitted fronting business, concentrating on expense management and maintaining very low net retentions. Segment expenses in the first half of the year have declined over 20% compared to the same period last year. Sarah will follow up in more detail around the reduction, notably in GNA. Overall, fronting premiums declined 31%, reflective of our demonstrated shift to reduce commercial auto exposure in the segment while upholding our underwriting and reinsurance security standards.
In our ens portfolio, average, premium for policy declined, almost 20% while policies enforced, Rose slightly compared to the second quarter of 2024.
This Dynamic coupled with the strong rate changes. We just discussed exemplifies our deliberate strategy to Target small to medium-sized accounts that have historically, been more profitable and least vulnerable to turnover.
As mentioned previously, we are managing our specialty admitted fronting business concert, training on expense management and maintaining very low. Net retention segment expenses in the first half of the year have declined over 20% compared to the same period last year.
Sarah will follow up in more detail around the reduction, notably in GNA overall fronting premiums declined, 31% reflective of our demonstrated shift to reduce Commercial Auto exposure, in the segment, fall upholding our underwriting and reinsurance security, standards,
Frank D'Orazio: In short, we are excited and encouraged by the energy and direction of James River and feel the steps we have taken to position the franchise for greater and more consistent profitability, while further strengthening the leadership team will lead to a stronger company and greater returns for our shareholders. With that, I will now turn the call over to Sarah.
In short, we're excited, and encouraged by the energy and direction of James River and filled the steps we have taken to position the franchise for greater and more consistent profitability while further strengthening the leadership team will lead to a stronger company and greater returns for our shareholders.
And with that, I'll now turn the call over to Sarah.
Sarah Doran: Thank you very much, Frank. Good morning, everyone, and thanks so much for joining us today. We continue to show strong momentum across the business, meaningful progress in our focused efforts to increase operating efficiency while benefiting from a stable balance sheet. This quarter, net income from continuing operations available to common shareholders was $3.2 million, or $0.07 per diluted share. On an adjusted net operating basis, we are reporting $11.7 million, or $0.23 of income per share. As Frank mentioned, our annualized operating return on tangible common equity was in line with guidance provided at the beginning of the year at 14%, and tangible common book value per share increased 5.3% this quarter to $7.49 per share. Our second quarter combined ratio of 98.6% for the group consists of a 68.1% loss ratio and a 30.5% expense ratio.
Thank you very much, Frank. Good morning everyone, and thanks so much for joining us today.
Efforts to increase operating efficiency, while benefiting from a stable, balance sheet.
This quarter, net income from continuing operations available to Common shareholders was 3.2 million or 7 cents per diluted share.
On an adjusted net. Operating basis, we're reporting 11.7 million or 23 cents of income per share.
As Frank mentioned, our annualized operating return on tangible. Common Equity was in line with guidance provided at the beginning of the year at 14%
And tangible common book value per share, increased 5.3% this quarter to 7 dollars per share.
Sarah Doran: Our use of the retroactive capacity we purchased last year lowered the combined ratio by 6.1%. The expense ratio improved over two points sequentially as we made focused headway in reducing our GNA and underwriting expenses. On a year-to-date basis, we reported an expense ratio of 31.7%, which we expect to decline to closer to last year's 31% for the full year. Our expense reductions have shown momentum to date across both our corporate expense line and our specialty admitted insurance segment GNA. We expect these to also show through to our ENS segment over the midterm, as well as through our operating structure, as we benefit from our planned re-domicile from Bermuda to Delaware likely later this year. This quarter, our corporate expenses declined about $2.4 million sequentially and about $400,000 quarter over quarter.
Our second quarter combined ratio of 98.6% for the group consists of a 68.1% loss ratio and a 30.5% expense ratio.
our use of the retroactive capacity, we purchased last year, lowered the combined ratio by 6.1%
The expense ratio improved over 2 points sequentially. As we made focused Headway and reducing our GNA and underwriting expenses.
On a year-to-date basis.
We reported an expense ratio of 31.7%, which we expect to decline to closer to last year's 31% for the full year.
Our expense reductions have shown momentum to date across both our corporate expense line and our specialty admitted Insurance segment GNA.
We expect these to also show through to our ens segments over the midterm as well as through our operating structure as we benefit from our planed, re-domicile from Bermuda to Delaware likely later this year.
Sarah Doran: We expect that the actions we have taken to increase operational efficiencies will drive a 5% to 10% decline in the corporate expense line this year, with longer-term savings coming through items like rent reduction, professional fees, and other expenses. We have reduced GNA expenses and specialty admitted over 20% year to date as compared to prior, and we expect that to be the case for the full year. Finally, overlapping on expenses, as Frank mentioned, we successfully renewed our large ENS reinsurance treaty effective July 1. The treaty includes both quota share and excess of loss structures with improved rate and more diverse participants as compared to last year. More importantly, though, we chose to slightly reduce the quota share given our confidence in our business written since 2023, supported by its many underwriting changes. This should add meaningful underwriting profits to ENS as it bleeds in next year.
This quarter our corporate expenses declined about 2.4 million dollars sequentially and about $400,000 quarter of a quarter.
We expected that the actions we've taken to increase operational. Efficiencies will drive a 5 to 10% Decline, and the corporate expense line this year with longer term savings coming through items like rent reduction, professional fees and other expenses. We've reduced GNA expenses and Specialty admitted over 20% year to date as compared to Prior and we expect that to be the case for the full year.
Finally overlapping on expenses. As Frank mentioned, we successfully renewed, our large ens, reinsurance treaty effective, July 1.
The treaty includes both quota share and excess of loss structures with improved rate and more diverse participants as compared to last year.
More importantly, though.
We chose to slightly reduce the quarter share, given our confidence in our business written since 2023, supported by its many underwriting changes.
Sarah Doran: Overall, we expect us to move our ENS premium retention from the 55% reported this quarter closer to 60% once the treaty is fully in play. On losses, again, we had no catastrophe losses in the quarter and reported $3 million of adverse impact from prior year development, $2.3 million of adverse development attributable ENS, and about $700,000 attributable specialty admitted. A majority of this development represents the 15% retained loss corridor on the first layer of adverse development cover in ENS, which we purchased last year. As it covers accident years 2010 through 2023, this cover provides protection across a significant portion of our total ENS IBNR, which effectively means that we could increase IBNR on subsurbs by over 20% before exhausting the limit. In aggregate, there remains over $100 million of prepaid cover providing protection for a significant portion of our casualty ENS reserves.
This should add meaningful underwriting profits to ENS as it bleeds into next year.
Overall, we expect this to move our ens premium retention from the 55% reported this quarter closer to 60%. Once the treaty is fully in play.
On losses again, we had no court no catastrophe losses, in the quarter and reported 3 million dollars of adverse impact from prior year development.
2.3 million of adverse development attributable, ens
This development represents, the 15% return loss Corridor on the first layer up in First Development, cover in ens, which we purchased last year.
As it covers accident years 2010 through 2023.
This cover provides protection across to significant portion of our total ens ibnr.
which effectively means that we could increase ibnr on suburbs,
by over 20% before exhausting the limit,
And aggregate their remains over 100 million dollars of prepaid cover, providing protection for a significant portion of our casualty ens Reserves.
Sarah Doran: Turning to investments, we reported $20.5 million of net investment income, up from $20 million in the previous quarter and reflective of lower average book values in 2025 following outflows used to fund the two loss portfolio transfers in the second half of 2024. The portfolio remains conservatively positioned with an average credit rating of A plus and duration of three and a half. Our goal has been to responsibly reduce our cash and short-term strategies, taking advantage of attractive yields and high-quality fixed income securities. Our primary focus. This deliberate approach has allowed us to take advantage of volatility in the market, and while new money yields have come down modestly, we were still able to put money to work at 5.6% average book yield, well above our current yield, which is a little bit over 4%. Finally, on taxes, our effective tax rate remains above the U.S.
Returning to Investments.
We reported 20.5 million of net investment income up from 20 million in the previous quarter and reflective of lower average book values. In 2025 following outflows used to fund the 2 lost portfolio transfers in the second half of 2024. The portfolio remains conservatively positioned with an average credit rating of A+ and duration of 3 and a half.
Our goal has been to responsibly reduce our cash and short-term strategies, taking advantage of attractive, yields, and high-quality fixed income securities, our primary focus. This deliberate approach has allowed us to take advantage of volatility in the market and while new money yields have come down modestly. We are still able to put money to work at 5.6% average. Book yield, well above, our current yield, which is a little bit over 4%.
And finally, on taxes.
Sarah Doran: statutory rate at approximately 30%. The re-domicile process, which we've discussed to bring our holding company from Bermuda to the U.S., is planned to occur later this year, and we expect it will reduce our effective tax rate closer to being in line with the U.S. statutory rate. This is expected to also bring a one-time $10 to $13 million benefit and an ongoing $3 to $6 million annual benefit in terms of savings once completed. That's all I had today. With that, I'll turn it over to the operator to open the lines for questions.
Our effective tax rate remains above the US statutory rate at approximately 30%.
The re-domicile process which we've discussed to bring our holding company, from Bermuda to the US, is plan to our later this year. And we expect it will reduce our effective tax rate closer to be in line with the US statutory rate.
This is expected to also bring a 1-time 10 to 13 million benefit and an ongoing 3 to 6 million dollar annual benefit in terms of savings once completed.
And that's all I had today. So with that, I'll turn it over to the operator, to open the line for questions.
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And our first question comes from the line of Marcus. We truly Securities. Your line is open.
Mark Hughes: Yeah, thank you very much. Good morning.
Yeah, thank you very much. Good morning.
Desiree: Morning, Mark.
Mark Hughes: The excess casualty growth in the quarter, the price increase is obviously very strong, and I think you talked about moving a little more down market or smaller policies. What end markets are you targeting there? What industries? I just wonder if you could talk a little bit more. That seems like a lot of, obviously a lot of price. I am just curious where you are seeing the opportunities.
Morning, Mark the exit the exit, casualty, uh, uh, growth in the quarter, the uh, the price increases obviously very strong. And I think you've talked about moving a little more, uh, uh, down Market or smaller, uh, smaller policies.
What end markets? Are you targeting? Their kind of what industries. I just wonder if you could talk a little bit more, that seems
Uh, like a lot of, uh, uh, obviously, a lot of price, just sort of curious, uh, where you're seeing the opportunities.
Frank D'Orazio: Sure. Let me talk about the rate process first and what we are seeing there in the quarter and then try to answer your specific questions relative to where we see opportunities in excess casualty. We have, as you might imagine, department rate change goals. We have had it for several years. This year, within the larger departments, we also deconstruct the portfolio into bands of accounts with varying levels of necessary rate change, including areas where we need to push rate significantly and on the other end of the spectrum, areas that can support rate decreases. For the second quarter of 2025, we saw positive rate increases across 11 of our 15 underwriting divisions. That rolled up to 13.9% across the ENS segment and 14.5% in casualty lines. Excess casualty is one of those large underwriting departments where we have introduced the banded rate need.
Sure. So let let me talk about like the rate process first and what we're seeing there in the quarter and then try to answer your specific questions relative to where we see opportunities in excess casualty. So we have um as you might imagine Department rate change goals, uh we've had it for several years. This year, within the larger departments, we also
deconstructed, the portfolio into bands of accounts with varying level of of necessary rate change including areas where we need to to push rate um significantly and on the other end of the spectrum areas that can support rate decreases,
Frank D'Orazio: It definitely led the way at a 24.2% rate for the quarter. But lest you think all that is commercial auto driven, the auto driven excess casualty component now accounts for less than 20% of that portfolio, whereas it used to be about 40% as recently as last year. Most of the other underwriting divisions, particularly the primary lines, were in the middle to high single-digit range. But within excess casualty, we further break down the book into three main silos: auto driven, GL or OL&T driven, and then all other. The majority of that book is now not auto driven. We have manufacturers, we have premises risks, we have hospitality risks, et cetera. And we are moving a little bit down market, as you suggest, trying to stay away from some of the larger accounts.
Quarter. But unless you think all that is is Commercial, Auto driven, the auto driven excess casualty component.
Now accounts for less than 20% of that portfolio, where it used to be.
About 40%. Uh,
you know, as recently as last year, uh, most of the other on our inhibitions booked, our particularly the primary lines were in the middle to high single-digit range. But within excess casualty, we further break down the book into 3 kind of main silos. So Auto driven, uh, GL or NT driven, and then all other um,
Frank D'Orazio: We see that in our average premium per mill coming down fairly significantly within excess casualty. So it is a major shift in the book, particularly in excess casualty. We have taken out, I want to say, upwards of $50 million over the last year in terms of removing some of that large, primarily auto driven business into accounts much smaller.
The majority of that book is now not Auto driven. So we've got manufacturers, we have premises risk. We have, Hospitality risks, Etc. And we are moving a little bit down Market. As you suggest, trying to stay away from some of the larger accounts we see that in our, our average premium per mil, uh, um, coming down fairly significantly, within excess casualties. So it's a major shift in the book. Particularly in Nexus casity, we've taken out. Um, I want to say upwards of fifty million dollars over the last year. In terms of removing some of that large primarily Auto driven business and to accounts, uh, um, you know, much smaller,
Mark Hughes: Yeah, I appreciate all that detail. On the, how are you doing in terms of policy or premium retention? I saw your submission up 6%, but I think the renewal submissions were up double digits. How is retention trending?
All that detail. On the uh, how are you doing in terms of uh, policy or premium retention? I saw your submission up 6%, but I think the renewal submissions were up double digits. How how is retention trending?
Frank D'Orazio: I would say, you know, we look at retention in two manners, right? So policy count as well as premium. The policy count has, I'd say, historically for this company been between 60% and 65%, and it's pretty much there, kind of in that range. It's the premium area where we have seen more impact because of the steps that we've taken. So if I can share with you relative to premium retention, that has dropped more significantly, I would say. Premium retention, because of that shift that we've talked about, that shift from larger accounts to smaller accounts has moved as much as, let's say, 20 points relative to premium retention that we had historically experienced. But again, that policy count number is staying right in that same range that we would expect it to be.
so I was, you know, we look at retention um,
To, uh, manners, right? So, um, policy count as well as premium, the policy count has, I say, historically for this company been between 60% and 65%, and it's pretty much there, kind of in that range. It's the premium area where we have seen, uh, more impact because of the steps that we've taken. So, uh, if I can share with you,
relative to premium retention, uh,
that has dropped more.
Retention.
Shift that we've talked about that, that shift from larger accounts to smaller accounts has moved as much as let's say 20 points relative to premium retention that we had historically experienced. But again that policy count number is staying right in that same range that we would expect it to be.
Mark Hughes: That is just the turnover, the letting go of some of those larger accounts that might be more competitive and focusing on the smaller mid-sized accounts.
Do they say the turnover? The, uh,
uh, letting go some of those larger accounts that might be more competitive and focusing on the
Frank D'Orazio: is absolutely right.
smaller mid-size accounts. Um, that's absolutely right.
Mark Hughes: Yeah. Okay. All right. Very good. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Yeah. Okay. All right, very good, appreciate it. Thank you.
Frank D'Orazio: Thanks, Mark.
Thanks Mark.
Desiree: Our next question comes from the line of Casey Alexander with Compass Point. Your line is open.
And our next question.
Alexander with compass point, your line is open.
Frank D'Orazio: Hi. Good morning. Sarah, you are making a good case for solid expense management, but we are also seeing net earned premiums on specialty admitted coming down. I just want to clarify, are you saying that you expect the expense ratio to level off at 31%, or is there some more room as we get into 2026 to bring that down further?
Yeah. Hi. Good morning. Um,
Uh Sarah, you make a, you're making a good case for um, you know, solid expense management. Um, but we're also seeing net earn premiums on specialty admitted coming down. So I just want to clarify, are you, are you saying that you expect the expense ratio to level off at 31%? Or is there some more room as we get into 2026 to bring that down further?
Sarah Doran: I think there could be a little bit more room in 2026. I am talking about the 2031 for this year, Casey Alexander, because that is where that is kind of where we have an immediate line of sight. But I think there are more opportunities to push things as we go through that process of planning out the 2026 year.
I think there could
were. That's kind of where we have immediate line of sight, um, but I think there are more opportunities to push things as we go through that process of planning out the 2026 year.
Frank D'Orazio: Okay. Great. Thank you. Secondly, you mentioned the one-time positive $10 to $13 million benefit from re-domiciling the company. How does that come through? Does that come through as a tax benefit, or how would we, you know, kind of forecast that in our model?
Okay, great. Thank you. Secondly um
Sarah Doran: Yeah. No, you are exactly right. It will come through as a lower effective tax rate, so just, you know, increased EPS, increased earnings. That will be the one-time benefit once the re-domicile is effective, which we plan. We expect that to be in the fourth quarter, but we have got to go through a regulatory process there, but that is our plan.
It. You you mentioned the, the 1 time, uh, a positive 10 to 13 million benefit from Red dohuk, the company. How does that come through? Does that come through as a tax benefit or or or or how would we you know kind of forecast that in our model?
Yep. No, you're exactly right. It'll come through as a lower effective tax rate, so just to, you know, increase DPS, increase your earnings.
Uh and that'll be uh the the 1-time benefit, once the re-domicile is effective, which we plan. We expect that to be in the fourth quarter, but we've got to go through a regulatory process there but that's our plan.
Frank D'Orazio: When you talk about the ongoing benefit, you are discussing a lower tax rate than the 30% you have been running out right now based upon re-domiciling that. That is basically how you are saying it.
Sarah Doran: is exactly right. So we get the one-time $10 to $13 million in the fourth quarter, and then going forward, Casey, so for 2026 and on, we expect to be closer to the U.S. stat rate of the 21%, which will yield a $3 to $6 million annual benefit for us going forward.
Frank D'Orazio: All right. Perfect. That's very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.
For us going forward, all right.
All right. Perfect, that's very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.
Sarah Doran: Thanks for the questions.
Thanks for the questions.
Desiree: Our last question comes from the line of Brian Meredith with UBS. Your line is open.
And our last question comes from the line of Brian Meredith with UBS. Your line is open.
Mark Hughes: Yeah, thanks. And morning. I may have missed this, but are there any other changes to call it terms and conditions from the quota share? I understand that you are retaining a little bit more, but like seating commission change, loss corridors, all those types of things?
Yeah, thanks and morning. Um, I may have missed this, but is there any other changes or to call it terms and conditions, um, from the quota share? Um, I understand that you're retaining a little bit more but like, seating commission, change. Um, lost corridors, all those type types of things.
Frank D'Orazio: No, Brian, at a high level, to answer your question, no changes relative to terms. We had, again, a bit more offered participation than we chose to buy. Certainly, a good sign that the reinsurance market agrees with the actions that we've been taking. We were able to reduce cost on the XOL and add a couple of new parties, a couple of new panel members to the reinsurance panel. So overall, no. To your specific question on seating commission, fairly flat there.
No. Uh
um,
To answer your question. No changes relative to terms. We had again a bit more offered participation than we chose to buy. Uh, certainly a good sign of the reinsurance market agrees with the actions that we've been taking. Um, we were able to reduce cost on the xol, um, and, um, and add a couple of new parties. Uh, a couple of new panel members to, um, the reinsurance panel
So overall know uh to your specific question on senior commission, fairly flat there.
Mark Hughes: Fairly flat. All right, helpful. Then, Frank D'Orazio, we've been hearing a fair amount on conference calls this quarter about MGAs, MGUs getting a little more competitive, some of them. I'm just curious what you're seeing, you know, with respect to your competing with them, I imagine, in some of the small stuff.
Really flat. All right, helpful and then Frank. Um, we've been hearing a fair amount on conference calls this quarter about, um, MGA mgus getting a little more competitive. Some of them I'm just curious what you're seeing, um, you know, with respect to your competing with them. I imagine in some of the small stuff.
Frank D'Orazio: Well, relative to competition, yeah. So, you are talking particularly in the ENS?
Mark Hughes: Yeah, ENS. Yeah.
And you're talking particularly in the ens. Um, yeah. But
Frank D'Orazio: So I think, and we've said this before, it's like we compete in some fashion on every piece of business that we bind just about every single day. The MGAs have become more pronounced relative to our excess property portfolio, certainly over the last 18 months or so, really fueled by distribution-owned facilities. We also see them in the commercial auto space. We see them in excess casualty to some extent, and larger accounts more generally. That's just relative to ENS.
so I I think, you know, we we've said this before, it's like, um, we compete in some Fashion on every piece of business that we buy just about every single day. Uh, the MGA have become more pronounced relative to uh rx's property portfolio. Certainly over the last 18 months or so, um, really fueled by distribution known facilities. We also see them in the commercial Auto space, we see them in excess, casualty to some extent, um, and, uh, and larger accounts more generally.
That's just relative to ens.
Mark Hughes: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Desiree: That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to Frank D'Orazio for closing remarks.
That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to frankly ravio for closing remarks.
Bob DiMardo: Thank you, operator. 2025 continues to provide significant opportunities for measured and responsible growth as we work diligently to execute on our strategic objectives and generate attractive risk-adjusted returns for shareholders. Taken in aggregate, these second quarter results and developments reflect a solid first half of the year for James River. We have made meaningful progress on both operational and strategic fronts, and we look forward to continued measured growth in the second half of the year. Thank you all for your time this morning and for the questions we received. We look forward to speaking with you all again in a few months to discuss our third quarter results.
Uh, thank you, operator. 2025 continues to provide significant opportunities for measured and responsible growth as we work diligently to execute on our strategic objectives and generate attractive risk-adjusted returns for shareholders.
Taken in aggregate these second quarter results and developments, reflect a solid, first half of the year for James River.
We've made meaningful progress on both operational and strategic fronts and we look forward to continued. Measured growth in the second half of the year.
Thank you all for your time this morning. And for the questions we received, we look forward to speaking with you all again, in a few months to discuss our third quarter results.
Desiree: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect.
Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining, and you may now disconnect.