Q2 2025 Global Indemnity Group LLC Earnings Call

Speaker #1: Thank you for standing by. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Global Indemnity Group second quarter 2025 earnings call.

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Speaker #1: Thank you. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Evan Kasowitz, president of Belmont Holdings. You may begin.

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Speaker #3: It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Jay Brown, chief executive of Global Indemnity.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Evan. Good morning and thank you for taking the time this morning to join for the GBLI second quarter update on our financial and operational results.

Speaker #4: Following our usual format, I will first provide a few overview comments on my view of this quarter's results. Then our chief financial officer, Brian Riley, will offer a few key details on our insurance and investment operations.

Speaker #4: Following Brian's comments, we will then answer any questions you might have. This quarter's results are comparable to the underlying positive insurance operating and estment trends that we have seen for the past several quarters.

Speaker #4: Our action year combined ratio of 94.6% produced an underwriting profit of 5.6 million, a very nice increase over the 96.7 we recorded last year.

Speaker #4: Our short-duration investment portfolio continued to deliver stable results at 14.7 million, with an annualized investment return of 4.9%. The overall positive insurance and investment results were offset a bit by the planned higher corporate expenses as we continued to invest in our agency and insurance services segment.

Speaker #4: The resulting net income of 10.3 million remains consistent with the results from last year. Brian will provide a bit of insight on the areas where corporate expenses are increasing.

Speaker #4: Moving from the bottom line to the top line for insurance operations, excluding terminated contracts, gross premium grew 18% over the second quarter 2024. As we noted in our results, we saw a very solid sustainable growth in vacant express, collectibles, wholesale commercial, and assumed reinsurance.

Speaker #4: Premium rate changes are running in the mid-single digits, with when coupled with exposure changes, our cking close to our current expectations for loss trends.

Speaker #4: Turning the quarterly financials, our efforts to revamp our technology infrastructure information management and policy issuance systems continues to be on track. We will complete our design and coding of our kaleidoscope policy rating quoting and issuance system for wholesale commercial package policies to begin testing by year end.

Speaker #4: We then expect to roll out the new environment to our agency partners in conjunction with an underwriting workbench early in 2026. On a parallel track, we have now migrated all our internal data to a modern data lake for both structured and unstructured data in the cloud.

Speaker #4: We are now migrating and syncing all of our internal reports to the new single unified data source. This effort is a very key foundational step needed to exploit artificial intelligence across the entire enterprise.

Speaker #4: I should note that we've requested and received approval in July 2025 for a $100 million in aggregate dividends from our urance subsidiaries. This will bolster our liquidity and position us to fund significant growth that we anticipate in our agency and insurance service operations under prevailing ready.

Speaker #4: Looking forward, we will continue our efforts to profitably grow our existing businesses as we continue to invest in technology, expand our underwriting capabilities through organic growth, and pursue selective add-on acquisitions.

Speaker #4: We firmly believe our reorganized structure will yield substantial value to our owners in the next few years. At this point, I'll turn it over to Brian.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Jay. My commentary will focus on results for the second quarter. Of course, we can answer any questions you may have for the six-month results.

Speaker #4: But the combination of net income and a $3 million increase in market value of the fixed income portfolio book value per share increased from $47 and 85 cents at March 31st to $48 and 35 cents at June 30th.

Speaker #4: Including dividends paid of 35 cents per share, return to shareholders was 1.8% for the second quarter of 2025. Net income was 10.3 million for the second quarter of '25, compared to 10.1 million for the same period last year.

Speaker #4: The key drivers include underwriting income improved by 61% to 5.6 million in the second quarter of '25, compared to 3.5 million for the same period last year.

Speaker #4: This was offset by an increase in corporate expenses of a million 1.2 million, to 7.5 million in the second quarter of '25, resulting from recruiting fees, and professional fees related to due diligence on business development opportunities.

Speaker #4: And last, investment income of $14.7 million for the quarter was stable compared to $15.3 million in the same period last year. Let me add a little color on investments and underwriting income.

Speaker #4: Starting with investments, total investment return was 17.7 million for the second quarter of '25, compared to 17.9 million for same period last year. And as Jay mentioned, annualized investment return for the second quarter of '25 was 4.9%.

Speaker #4: Investment income on our fixed income portfolio is 15.3 million for the second quarter of '25, compared to 15 million for the same period last year.

Speaker #4: Current book yield on the fixed income portfolio is now 4.5%, with a duration of 1.2 years at June 30, 2025, compared to December 31, 2024, of a 4.4% book yield and a duration of 0.8 years.

Speaker #4: For further comparison, book yield was 2.2%, with a duration of 3.2 years at December 31, 2021, before the company took action in early 2022 to sell longer-dated securities and shorten duration.

Speaker #4: The average credit quality of the fixed income portfolio remained at AA minus. As for the current year underwriting performance, current ex-year underwriting income was 5.6 million for the second quarter of '25 and increased to 61%, compared to the same period in 2024.

Speaker #4: Due to growth, due to growth in earned premium and an improved combined ratio. The combined ratio improved 2.1 points to 94.6 in the second quarter of '25.

Speaker #4: Compared to 96.7 in the same period, mainly driven by the loss ratio, as the expense ratio has largely flat at 39. The non-cat loss ratio remained strong as we posted a 50.1 in '25, compared to 54.1 in '24.

Speaker #4: The cat loss ratio was 5.5 for the quarter, compared to 3.8 for the same period last year. Expenses remain elevated in the short run as we run off our non-core businesses and invest in agency and insurance services operations.

Speaker #4: We continue to target the expense ratio longer term at 37. Turning to premiums, consolidated gross written premiums increased 6% to 106.8 million in the second quarter of '25, compared to 100.7 million in the same period last year.

Speaker #4: As Jay mentioned, excluding terminated products, gross written premiums increased 18% to 109.9 million in the second quarter of '25, compared to 93.4 million in the same period last year.

Speaker #4: Let me add a ittle color at the divisional level. Wholesale commercial, which focuses on Main Street small business, grew 8% to 69.1 million compared to 63.9 million in the same period last year, and includes average rate increases of about 4%.

Speaker #4: In aggregate, vacant express and collectibles grew 20% to 16.6 million in the second quarter of '25, compared to 13.7 million in the same period last year.

Speaker #4: Let me break down those two products. Vacant express grew 27% to 12.4 million, driven by organic growth from existing agents and agency appointments. Collectibles grew 4% to 4.2 million, compared to 4 million last year, predominantly driven by rate.

Speaker #4: Our assumed reinsurance gross premiums, excluding non-core business, grew 86% to 12 million. Resulting from eight new treaties, we added during 2024, and two new treaties added here in 2025.

Speaker #4: Specialty products, excluding the terminated products, was 12.3 million in the second quarter of '25, compared to 9.3 million in the same period last year.

Speaker #4: Overall, our outlook for 2025 is very positive. For the first six months of '25, our underwriting income, ex-impact of California wildfires, was 10.9 million, compared to 8.7 million for the same period last year.

Speaker #4: Our underlying underwriting performance for the last half of '25 is expected to improve compared to the same period in '24. We continue to expect premium growth of 10%.

Speaker #4: Book reserves remain solidly above our current actuarial indications. We believe premium pricing is continuing to track with loss inflation. Our discretionary capital, which we consider the amount of consolidated equity in excess of that amounts required to maintain the strongest levels of our rating agencies, is $265 million at June 30, 2025.

Speaker #4: And as Jay mentioned earlier, this will support the efforts to invest in the growth of our agency and insurance services segment. Lastly, our investment portfolio is well-positioned to invest in longer duration maturities at higher yields.

Speaker #4: Thank you. We will now take your questions.

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Speaker #1: And our first audio question comes from the line of Tom Kerr with Zacks Research. Please go head.

Speaker #5: Good morning, guys.

Speaker #6: Good morning.

Speaker #5: Quick question on the corporate expenses. I think you said business development fees to find new opportunities. What does that exactly?

Speaker #4: We're looking to expand our agency operations with additional underwriting capabilities. And so we've been reviewing a number of different opportunities in the market. We've probably looked at a half a dozen to a dozen of some of which involved spending some money to do some due diligence.

Speaker #4: We haven't yet gotten any conclusions on those at this point in time.

Speaker #6: Okay. Thanks. Any comment on the overall E&S market? Where you see cycle weakness and that sort of stuff?

Speaker #4: Yeah. It's a tricky question. Because it differs depending on which segment you're oking . Our vacant express segment, for example, continues to have real growth opportunities because of what's going on in the property market around the country.

Speaker #4: But in small commercial, we're starting to see a little more headwinds than probably we saw the last two years. We continue to be pleased with the level of premium we're retaining for the business we're writing.

Speaker #4: But we are seeing a little bit more price competition than we probably saw for the last two years.

Speaker #6: That's it. What was the time frame on that? recently or?

Speaker #4: Yeah. Just in the past in the past six months. It just you start to see as a wobble first with a little bit lower hit ratio than than we've been seeing.

Speaker #4: But not not significant yet. It's it's still we still believe strongly that we should see 8 to 10 percent growth in that segment this year.

Speaker #4: And perhaps the same next year.

Speaker #6: Got it. Thanks. I have quick one. Do you still have any substantial business in California across the portfolio?

Speaker #4: Yeah. As mentioned in our last call, is that we are we have business in California. Across all of our businesses, we are currently moving some of that from an admitted product to a non-admitted product.

Speaker #6: Got it. Okay. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks.

Speaker #1: Our next audio question comes from the line of Ross Haberman with RLH Investments. Please go head.

Speaker #6: Morning, Jay. Thanks for taking the call. Quick question going back to the administrative expenses. Do you see further growth from the level we saw this this quarter as you look for other lines of business?

Speaker #4: Yeah. If ou you know we've aged a couple of outside contractors to help with our internal staff to review financials for different things we're looking .

Speaker #4: That expense would not create anything. But if we actually get to the point of closing on any transactions, you'll ably see a potential bump in expenses when that occurs.

Speaker #4: We're not we're Sorry.

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Speaker #6: Sorry.

Speaker #4: No problem. We aren't we aren't planning on any big expenditures, but we're doing an incrementally. And if there's any substantial change in the current level, it probably would be a company by us actually closing on a transaction and we'll obviously discuss that at that time.

Speaker #6: And just a follow-up to the California fire exposure. Were there any further allowances that you came across besides the initial exposure you expensed, I guess, in March?

Speaker #4: Yeah.

Speaker #6: And do you have any exposure to the new fires that are beginning to to come up in in California today?

Speaker #4: Two-part question. On the first part, the initial reserves that were established at the end of the first quarter have maintained spot-on that was very, very little movement, less than one or two percent.

Speaker #4: In terms our final estimates, in terms of the newest fires, we haven't yet seen any significant exposure to our company.

Speaker #6: Thank you. I'll get back in queue.

Speaker #4: Thank ou.

Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Andrew Bendigny. Can you provide a tangible return on equity target a few years out? What kind of loss and expense ratios would that imply?

Speaker #4: Sure. It's it depends on what level you're oking at our return on equity. If we're oking at Belmont, which is our essentially our balance sheet company, and it's in its holding company, we would expect that the returns there will get into the 12% range in the next couple of years.

Speaker #4: That's kind the the insurance operation underwriting side. I would say when you then look the other side and the holding company expenses were probably going to continue to target at 8 to 9 percent.

Speaker #4: The loss ratio that we need for that, we're actually at the right loss ratio. What we really need to see is our expense ratio come down another two points.

Speaker #4: And that should put us pretty close to those targets. All right. With that, we will thank you all again for joining us. This will conclude our 2025 second quarter earnings call.