Q2 2025 Appian Corp Earnings Call
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Bits of our platform industry and market trends, our go to market and growth strategy. Our Market opportunity and ability to expand our leadership position, our ability, to maintain and upsell existing customers. And our ability to acquire new customers. These statements reflect our views, only as of today and don't represent our views as of any subsequent date. We won't update these statements as a result of new information, unless required by law, action results, May differ materially from expectations due to the risks and uncertainties described in our SEC filings. Additionally, non-gaap Financial measures will be discussed on this conference call. Reconciliations of gaap to non-gaap financial measures are provided in our earnings release with that. I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO. Matt Caulkins, Matt.
Thanks, Jack. And thank you everyone for joining us today.
In the second quarter of 2025 Atkins, Cloud subscriptions Revenue, grew 21% to 106.9 million.
Subscriptions Revenue grew 17% to 132.7 million. Total revenue grew 17% to 170.6 million. Adjusted Eva was 8.1 million.
Last quarter, I shared two metrics that measure wrapping's progress towards efficient growth.
The first measures, the productivity of our sales and marketing expenditure in Q2, show that Appian’s go-to-market productivity ratio was 3.3. You can see on slide 4, that's our eighth sequential quarterly increase, and I believe there's more upside ahead.
Our weighted rule of 40, which expresses our strategic priorities, by waiting Cloud subscriptions Revenue growth twice as much as adjusted. Eva margin.
Was also up slightly to 31.
We're pleased with our second quarter results.
I'll briefly mention 2 reasons why they are good.
First, the internal Factor our up Market strategy is working.
Powered by strong sales organization and execution. We are reaching the high-value transactions for appion belongs.
Second the external Factor artificial intelligence.
our platform gives AI the things, it needs like data, access structure guard rails and tracking
So AI can solve complex business problems.
AI is having a tangible effect on our financial results.
We're at getting higher prices because of AI, we add a 25% up charge.
We're in New Deals because of AI and even new Industries. I'll talk about that in a moment. But 1 more point about it.
Whatever AI has done for our revenues, it's done more for our Pipeline, and whatever, it's done for our pipeline. It's done even more for our value proposition. So I see this being a strong growth factor in the future.
Growth.
Most of our 7 figure software deals signed this quarter were with our AI inclusive license tiers.
I'll share 2 examples of AI impact in big applications for big customers.
First, an International Grocery retailer, and 7 figure ARR customer manages supply chain Logistics and insurance claims with Appian.
In Q2, it deployed Aion AI into an existing field dispatching application built on our platform.
Before AI drivers filled filed paperwork, when they encountered a shipment issue and back office workers, manually recorded discrepancies before correcting the information and reissuing a new dispatch order in their appion application.
Managing these expectations was slow and there were some times human errors now. Drivers upload their paperwork into Appian and our AI automatically reconciles the information. It's faster and
Second.
Top Global asset management, firm and longtime Appian. Customer has deployed, our platform across its Enterprise. It runs dozens of app in applications this quarter It upgraded.
Purchased the 7-figure software deal to upgrade its licenses to deploy features like API and AI into areas like its client investment operations.
Aion, AI agents will accelerate the processing of customer requests.
Agents will classify forms and extract data related to opening closing and changing accounts.
Turning to the US public sector. Our performance in the first half of this year has been strong.
our Federal Business outgrew, the global business in Cloud Revenue, in new bookings, and in software pipeline,
You're seeing some good opportunities.
A US agency supporting National Healthcare is unifying its Enterprise and in Q2, it shows, appion as the backbone to all virtual care operations and signed a 7-figure software deal.
Millions of patients will use our platform to engage with clinicians coordinating, virtual appointments, and sharing Health Data in real time. The agency expects to save 38 million per year using Aion
We've been using the phrase cautiously optimistic.
In quotes all year, to describe our expectations for the Federal Business, in the face of Doge and other volatility.
And I'll stick with that wording, but looking back. Our cautious optimism has been validated by results.
We see a large opportunity emerging in the modernization of Legacy applications. We've been modernizing applications for a decade already.
But the industry is about to transform as AI lowers. The cost of extracting old applications and translating them into a new format.
Businesses modernize applications to reduce cost eliminate technical debt.
And unify silos.
Let's start with an example.
Aviva is a multinational insurer that Consolidated 22 Legacy call center systems into a single App application.
They achieved 40% cost savings and the ability to service customers 9 times faster.
Now, that AI makes it easy to achieve modernization. The industry is set to grow.
Modernization was the hottest topic on my latest customer tour, and generally, customers brought it up themselves.
This industry is going to be big because each major organization. Every major organization around the world supports hundreds or even thousands of applications.
At Great expense.
And they would rather have fewer.
And they wish they were better. Integrated.
And they regret the data in congruity.
And they worry about the long security perimeter.
And they want to access them all in modern ways.
And nobody likes silos. Silos are just the way applications are laid down as it departments solve 1 problem at a time, but it's not a good way to structure an Enterprise.
Happy and brings 3 powerful advantages to the revitalized field of app modernization. First
first, our platform is a great destination for translated applications.
It's full of powerful pre-written functionality.
It's secure reliable, Enterprise grade.
Second recreating an application in Aion is a dialogue. Not a delegation
We manage a multi-step dialogue between the designer and the AI.
the AI presents the designer with proposals, like, for the interface or the data structure, and the designer can modify them
When the designer is satisfied, the AI builds the new app, and even then the app remains, highly modifiable in apps process modeling interface.
Third.
Third, third, appion, consolidates, many applications into 1.
The modernization process is a unique opportunity to consolidate old applications into fewer new ones that offer the same functionality in a more coherent way.
Last quarter. A customer. Asked me if we could translate 3,000 old applications. He didn't want us to give him 3,000 to new ones.
Happy and is billed to unify functionality and data into a combined application experience.
I love this modernization market for its scale and universality.
And also, because apis advantages won't be easy for Rivals to duplicate.
Another example, a leading Spanish bank is running a large-scale modernization campaign to decommission in flexible technology in Q2 it purchased thousands of vaping software licenses and became a new customer.
It'll migrate all back office, workflows from Legacy tools and consolidate them on our platform. We expect the bank will run core processes, 30% faster and save millions of dollars, annually with Aion last customer example, a prominent US Health. Insurer is undergoing a company-wide initiative to consolidate its Tech stack and save $1 billion.
Business starting with Medicare and Medicaid enrollment.
Finally, I have 1 Personnel announcement.
Last month, David crosier joined Appian as our new Chief marketing officer.
David holds a deep understanding of enterprise software, and Ai and brings Decades of experience leading marketing teams, and scaling up operations globally. I'm excited for him to join our team.
With that, I'll turn the floor over to Serge. Welcome sir.
Thanks, Matt. And thank you everyone for joining us today, says, this is my first earnings call as app and CFO, I want to take a moment to share my reasons for joining Appian and the opportunity I see ahead.
First. Our product is great which is reflected in our strong retention rates. I have consistently heard from our customers that they are happy with Appian and want to find ways to do more with our platform. That satisfaction is a great foundational asset on which to build the company.
Second appiance AI value, proposition resonates in the market, Enterprises are wary of AI hype and want to deploy this technology in ways that are safe compliant. And most importantly generate tangible value.
Atian, focus on deploying AI agents within a process achieves, just that.
Third appion is focused on efficiency as evidenced by an impressive Improvement in profitability over the past 18 months since joining. I've seen the work done behind the scenes to improve our processes systems and execution.
We're building a strong Foundation that will help us drive efficient growth going forward.
Finally and most importantly appiance culture deeply resonates with me. Appian values are intensity, and excellence and those are also my personal values. This team is ambitious and wants to win and I'm an I'm excited to be a part of it.
Now, let's turn to our Q2 results.
Happy and exceeded the guidance ranges we provided on our key metrics of cloud revenue, total revenue, and adjusted EBITDA. We had a strong quarter of new business signings due to continued momentum at the high end of the market and the AI demand, as Matt mentioned in his remarks.
Cloud subscription, Revenue was 106.9 million, an increase of 21% year-over-year.
Subscription revenue was $132.7 million, an increase of 17% year-over-year.
On a constant currency basis total subscription Revenue grew 14% year-over-year Professional Services Revenue was 38 million up, 13% compared to the second quarter of 2024 as a reminder Services Revenue can be variable quarter to quarter.
Subscription Revenue represented, 78% of total revenue compared to 77% in the year ago period and 81% in the prior quarter.
Total revenue was $170.6 million, an increase of 17% year-over-year.
On a constant currency basis, total revenue, grew 14% year-over-year.
Revenue retention rate, was 111% as of June 30th 2025 compared to 118% a year ago and 112%. In the prior quarter. Our International operations, contributed 38% of total revenue unchanged from the year ago, period.
moving down the income statement, I will discuss our results on a non-gaap basis, unless otherwise noted
Gross margin was 75% unchanged from the year ago period and down from 78% in the prior quarter.
Our subscription grows margin was 87% compared to 89% in both the year ago, period and prior quarter.
Professional Services. Gross margin was 33% compared to 30% in both the year ago. Period, and prior quarter.
Total operating expenses were 122.7 million flat with 123.2 million in the year ago. Period.
Adjusted ebit that was positive 8.1, million versus our guidance of -5 to -2 million and compared to an adjusted, EBA the loss of 10 and a half million in the year ago.
This outperformance relative to our guide was largely driven by greater than expected Revenue as well as timing of certain expenses which we now expect to incur in the second half of this year.
Net income was 0.3 million or break even per diluted share compared to a net loss of 18.2 million or 25 cents per share for the second quarter of 2024.
This is based on 74.6 million diluted shares outstanding for the second quarter of 2025 and 72.3 million diluted shares outstanding for the second quarter of 2024,
Turning to our balance sheet as of the end of Q2 cash. Cash, cash, equivalents and Investments were 184.8 million compared to 159.9 million at the end of last year.
For the second quarter, cash used by operations was uh, 1.9 million compared to 1746 million cash used by operations for the same period last year.
11 million.
Representing year-over-year growth between 16% and 18%.
Total revenue is expected to be between 172 and 176 million representing year-over-year growth between 12 and 14%.
Adjusted ebit that is expected to be between positive and 9 and positive, 12 million non-gaap earnings per share is expected to be between 3 and 7 cents. This assumes 74.7 million fully diluted weighted. Average shares outstanding for the full year, 2025 where increasing our guidance for cloud subscription Revenue, total revenue and adjusted ibida. Cloud. Subscription revenue is expected to be between 429 and 433 million representing year-over-year growth between 17 and 18%.
Total revenue is expected to be between 695 and 703 million representing year-over-year growth between 13 and 14%.
Adjusted ebit is now expected to range between 49 and 55 million.
Non-gaap earnings per share is expected to be between 28 and 36 Cents.
This assumes 74.7 million fully diluted weighted. Average shares outstanding.
our guidance assumes the following,
First, we expect Professional Services to grow modestly on a year-over-year basis for both Q3 and the full year.
Second, we anticipate term licensed Revenue to be flat on a year-over-year basis in Q3 and growing modestly for the full year 2025
Third total other income and interest expense will be approximately 3 and a half million in Q3 and 15 million for the full year 2025.
Finally, our guidance assumes FX rate as of August 1st 2025.
In closing, we're pleased with our Q2 results and in particular with our ability to win new business.
We're confident in the opportunity ahead and we'll continue to invest responsibly to maximize our long-term value. Now, I will turn the call over for questions, operator.
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Our first question comes from the line of Ramo lenschow of Barclays. Your line is now open.
Perfect. Thank you. I've got 2, quick questions. Uh, 1 from 1 for search. Um, Matt. If you think the that dream or the, the the idea of app modernization has, as you said, has been around for quite a while. Uh, and AI should really help here, where are we on that Journey though to kind of really get the get
I get this to happen, and how much will it come from just one vendor rather than like tools from different ones? And then for search, can you talk a little bit about the NRD cloud? NR, that kind of 111, kind of step down a little bit again. Uh, you know, are we finding the level here? What are the drivers? Jim, thank you.
Yeah. App modernization is going to be a much more complex Market than it appears to be from this distance a early in its conception. It seems like it may just be unitary, but it it won't be. There's an extraction motion, there's an instantiation motion. AI can help with both of them. The first is more services intensive. The second likely, more software intensive. We're going, we, we're obviously, we're doing this market. We've been in this market for, for years. And we have a track record and we're already, uh, a legitimate leader in modernization, but the game will change so much over the next year or 2 as AI is brought to bear on both of the 2, primary motions that comprise this Market. We are confident that we have something to say and can lead in uh, in both sides uh of that equation and we're driving forward.
Yeah, and and here I'm, uh, thanks for the question. Let me jump in on the nrr rate. So, let me say a few things first, as we discussed in the past, uh, the nrr is a helpful, uh, metric. But it has certain limitations in my mind. Most importantly, it's backward-looking. It's sort of averages growth across across quarters and obviously only reflects subset of the business. Uh,
Not mentioned in the script, the range of 110 to 120%, uh, that we used to reference in the past. And that's not because uh, we actually, anything has changed in the business. We remain very confident in our ability to grow with our existing customers. But we're not referencing that range because we don't actually run the to company to achieve an nrr level. Uh, we run the company to achieve total new business, whether it's on-prem or in the cloud, whether it's new or existing customers. But it's total new business that we forecast that we discussed and that we compensate people. For the nrr metric is, is an output. Uh, and we'll obviously continue reporting it, but it doesn't make sense to talk about the expected range because it's not actually how we run the business.
Okay, perfect. That's perfect. Thank you. Good luck.
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Our next question comes from the line of Keith Weiss of Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open
Question, uh, sitting in for us, I'm just saying this morning. Um, I I think this is similar to Toronto's question, but maybe a little bit more specific, so Matt, I'm going to call you. You talked about appiance advantages that won't be easy for others to replicate, um, in this market opportunity. Uh, but I think that's exactly what a lot of investors are worried about overall for software, but particularly for, um, app development platforms, and and and, and companies such as yourself is that this view that
Generative, AI agent to Computing. In these AI labs are going to be able to do more and more on a go forward basis, automate more processes and aviate, a lot of Legacy or existing vendors or even the sap. This SAS layer all together. You take in a little bit on sort of what those advantages are that. Um, Aion holes that you think aren't are going to prove true modes, right? That that aren't going to be able to be um, replicated by uh, just agentic AI or or kind of what the AI labs are doing um to to help us get and help investors. Get a little bit more comfortable with that durability if you will.
Yeah, absolutely. Keith and thank you for the question. Uh so I know a lot of people are worried about this about how AI will be able to write applications and they're concerned, you know, they don't know how that's going to affect our Market, but let me tell you, there are things that AI will absolutely not be doing Ambien comes with a built out, frame of functionality. And whether that's, you know, scalability or or security calls, or the ability to run on a mobile phone or, or all the, all the features that come built in when you create an application, uh, in the center of our platform on the, on the modeling environment, all of that comes with whatever app, you put into our platform. And, and AI is not going to do that. AI is not going to write a, a hot, hot failover, for example. So that if the app goes down in 1 location, it automatically starts up in another location. A high, a high availability, kind of functionality. That's a perfect example.
Something you would never get out of AI. Also, AI wouldn't be merging. 100 applications into 1 like we're talking about but look the competitive Advantage isn't just against AI it's against our competitors.
And we find that that the direct large company. Competitors, have a platform that's inferior to ours.
Reporting an old app into JavaScript or Apex code is not as good as porting it into a platform like API. That's easy to introspect modify and comes built out with all these features.
And the startups aren't going to have the credibility to be used in major circumstances. And from what I've seen, most of the modernization opportunities are major circumstances with hundreds or thousands of applications for worldwide famous organizations? They wouldn't be going with a startup. So there's either a platform problem with our directs or a credibility problem with the startups. I think we've got a unique situation where we're large enough to be a credible player in this market, but also we've really invested in having a great process environment. So that when you create an application on our platform that's a fully featured scalable secure reliable application in a way that our competitors and AI would be unable to construct.
Keith. Can I just also chime in because I'm new and and I have some of these same questions and and I sort of an analogy that Matt uses was helpful to me. Um, it's helpful to think of AI uh, in the context of an application as an engine. Uh, but engineering of itself, doesn't you know, accomplished enough or much? It needs a car to go places and we are the provider of that, in the context of security, safety durability, uh, accuracy actually. And so that gives us confidence that, um, that that, that gives us confidence that they won't change and that we have a durable Advantage here. Yeah, like take our data.
Is not going to write a new data fabric that integrates all the data sources across the Enterprise and automatically Tunes, your queries it Tunes it so that the queries that are asked to most frequently get uh get better performance. That's the kind of thing that you need a platform like API and in order to do well. Uh, so I I know there's a lot of imagination about what AI is going to be able to create an AI, will create a great engine. But as Sarah says, and as we like to say, uh, it it's good to have the car with that engine.
Excellent. Now that that's great. And now allergy and I think you're right now, we're at a part of the kind of the, The Innovation cycle. And and the hype cycle, where there's a lot of broad, sort of aspirations what a it will have to do. So you guys bringing out sort of analogs like the car versus the engine I think is is really important to help investors in the marketplace. Understand what's the right place that AI will go into um, search. It's great to hear from you again, um, in the new role. So, congratulations on the new seat. I had a a question more specifically for you. Um,
We're seeing 14% constant currency growth overall and happy and and and flat Opex growth. And, and Matt was talking about some of the efficiencies um you guys are already seeing in the business, particularly in sales and marketing productivity from utilizing AI where are we in the Appian Journey? Like how much more is there to go? In terms of you guys garnering efficiencies out of your own use of these Technologies and um getting those margins heading in the right direction?
Yeah, so I I would generally constitute it as we we made progress. But there there's plenty more to go and and maybe I'll take a little bit of step back. Uh, I commend Matt and the management team on on the efforts that were put into place over the last couple of years. Uh, and and really what the team done is done. Here, internally is focused on the areas of the lowest productivity with the ROI wasn't there, and you've seen the Improvement in margin and that requires discipline and resolve. And once again, like I'm I'm happy to be in an environment that that can do that. As we roll forward, I sort of see, 3 key drivers of continued, profitability and efficiency. The first 1 is continued improvements in sales productivity, and the payback on our sales and marketing investment, and it's very encouraging. What we've been able to do here, uh, in the first half of the year, but obviously the the the game is still a foot. Uh, but we're optimistic about where we can go from here. And we'll achieve further improvements by, uh, improvements in our go to market process, uh, as well, as targeted incremental, Investments, that will have a disproportionate impact on that sales and marketing page.
Back. So that's bucket. Number 1, bucket. Number 2, is we have an ambitious product roadmap that we can deliver at Cost efficiently by growing our uh, R&D based across the world and in particular, in India. So we've we've made those uh, foundational Investments. I would say over the last couple of years but I mean we're going to continue pushing in that direction. Uh and then finally to your point um we can use our own AI. We can eat our own cooking sort of across the company and we're seeing some good early results in the context of some go to market for
Functions, but we can do more as far as customer facing. We can do more, as far as how we write our own code and of course in the back office as well. So, um, you know, a lot of work done already, uh, but, uh, plenty for us to continue doing here and to sort of balance that, um, find that balance between growth as well as, um, as well as improving in margin.
Excellent. That that's super helpful and congratulations you guys on the on a solid quarter.
Thank you. 1 moment for our next question.
Our next question comes from the line of Steve Enders of City. Your line is now open,
Okay, great. Thanks for, um, thanks for taking the questions this morning and the net and service, looking forward to uh to to working with you more moving forward here. Um,
I guess maybe just to to start just in terms of, you know, the the contribution that app and AI is maybe having on uh, the the pipeline or or maybe how is it changing the, you know, the, the the customer conversations in terms of how they're viewing, I guess, Appian, as a, as a key partner, moving forward. Just what have you seen from those Dynamics? And is it having a, I guess impact to, or how would you kind of frame the impact? It's having to, uh, some of the demand out there for, for Appian right now.
Deploy of how much AI efficiency should be gained, how much time should be saved? We're we're
Showing that we understand better than others. What can be done with AI in a practical sense, and it absolutely does change the conversation. So that that's pipeline, that's bookings, that's revenue. And and most importantly of all, and the precursor of all of that is, it's, uh, it's value proposition which has changed, uh, meaningfully
And maybe just on on the guide. Um it looks pretty pretty healthy healthy raise here. I'm trying to understand.
you know, how much of that is, maybe a bit of a change in, in the guidance philosophy, um, or, or you know, the guide framework, uh,
here or, you know, is there is there, you know, some, some impact here from, uh, you know, the the change in, in FX rates, can you just kind of help, you know, maybe walk through what's what's different today with the guy versus, you know, versus 90 days ago from the, uh, from the prior annual Outlook
Yeah, um, I I'll jump there, uh, so um, no changing guidance philosophy. Uh, or how we, how we think internally frankly about our Pipeline and our ability to close. Uh, you know, Matt has been talking for the last couple of quarters about, you know, the changes that we've seen this year and the macro environment. Um, and obviously, some of the uncertainty that we have related to Doge, uh, although we're happy with our, uh, performance. No. Need to change sort of the
The tone or the or the, you know, the philosophy behind the guy at this point. It still feels a little premature on FX specifically, what I would tell you, um, we, um, as we've done this time around as, as a, as a general practice, we use current FX rates when we provide guidance. And, um, and we also that we don't forecast where FX goes from wherever they are at that current moment. And if you look 90 days ago in early, May uh, much of the dollar decline which is beneficial to our Revenue, had actually already played out. So, um, FX was marginally helpful for Q2 and and, and it's a part of the sort of the increase in the guide but much of the increase in the guy, really is about the fundamental strength that we're seeing in the business and the cautious optimism. That Matt talked about.
Okay, perfect. That's a helpful context. I'll um, thanks for taking the questions here.
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Our next question comes from the line of Derek wood of TD Ken your line is now open.
Great. Thanks, guys. This is Cole on for Derek. Um,
Matt, I just want to double click on, on Doge. And, you know, it seems like some of the initiatives of tapered, back a little bit, since 90 days ago, uh, you know, could you just dive in on the federal pipelines and what you guys are seeing? And then maybe as well how, you know, AI ties into this and how you know you're going and selling to them versus commercial. Thanks.
Yeah, that's right. Well, Doge, may have died down a little bit but there's fundamental undercurrents that have been started by Doge that look to survive and shape the federal Marketplace for years or decades in the future. Perhaps the most important of those is the disinterest that the government. Now seems to have regarding, uh, hiring or spending through intermediaries. There's a far greater interest in doing business directly with app in, or with the software provider as the case may be and that allows us a greater degree of control customer satisfaction and, uh, and revenue involvement.
And so, that's a, a very good trend for us. Another 1 is the government's increased prioritization of efficiency something, for which we have long had a reputation in Washington. These developments are very positive for us. I think it's just structurally changes the market in a way that ought to help and our our our pipeline is is healthy.
Great, thanks. And then just 1 more on on pricing of the AI process. Um, you know, you guys had said that you're going to take a look at, you know, shifting pricing and then last quarter you said that, um, you might migrate some customers on renewal to a new pricing structure. I mean, what's the update there? And, you know, do you have anything to to add? Thanks.
On our other pricing methods and we're doing a careful conversion. So kind of a migration internally away from seed, based pricing and toward a kind of consumption model. But that's a very deliberate cautious and gradual uh migration. And we don't need to make any sudden moves because we have uh a set of pricing models that we can rely on and maybe just also chimed in to say that a pricing model is ultimately just a way to get value. And we're very confident in our value at, and frankly, our customers, see it as well. And leaving pricing models aside. We've been increasing prices successfully, just Apples to Apples. Not not new functionality for multiple years now, and that ultimately tells us that our value proposition is strong and that we'll be able to get our fair share of the value. We create going forward as well.
Helpful. Thanks guys.
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Our next question comes from the line of Devon. Oh of keybanc capital markets. Your line is now open.
Hi. Yeah, thanks for taking my questions here. Um, I wanted to ask about some of the new sales leaders. You have hired in Amia in the quarter, in addition to the new Chief marketing officer. Um, could you maybe elaborate on the appointments there? You know, what, are you hoping these new leaders would bring to Appian and are you expecting any, you know, notable changes and then go to market Motion in that region?
Yeah. The general Trend across all of our go to market operations is 1 in favor of alignment, discipline, best practices and and the all the hires we've made in in uh, in Mia and anywhere else for that matter are in line with that transformation. It's it's been going for a while there's not a sudden change.
We're we're just continuing to drive the strategy through aligned leadership across the organization. That's it.
Got it that's helpful and then maybe just 1 quick 1 for for Serge. Um I know you mentioned somebody outperformance in the quarter for IBA was kind of driven by some expenses shifting out to the second half. Could you maybe just elaborate more on what these are? It is a mostly headcount related and you call it. There would be helpful. Thank you.
Uh, yeah, no head count. Uh, it it's Marketing in some Consulting expenses, uh, that we just sort of tactically moved, uh, from the second quarter into the back half. But it it's a, it's a relatively minor contributor. We just want to kind of be transparent and give you guys the confidence so that you can understand how the guide moves uh uh versus the prior 1.
Great. Thank you.
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Our next question comes from the line of Jake Roberts of William Blair. Your line is now open.
Yeah, thanks for taking the questions and in search looking forward to working with you moving forward. Um, good to see the continued productivity on the go to market side. Uh, sir, you talked about this being a key area to drive more efficiency in the business. As you've looked at things, can you talk about what's worked for the company thus far? And where you think some of the the low-hanging fruit is moving forward and then as as you, um, are you starting to see your new AI Solutions, help drive faster decisions from customers? Just given the, the ROI for them might might be a little bit clearer as your, as you're going to Market with those.
Yeah. So uh, a few things and, and by the way, thank you. You're looking forward to working together as well. So again, if you look at the rear view mirror, um, we've removed, uh, some of the least, uh, productive areas of investment and channels. And that sort of helps productivity sort of, in a, in a mathematical way and that like if it raises, the average of the rest,
And and that's helpful because it saves money but it's it's not sort of what's going to drive the business going forward. And what we've seen however uh, over the last couple of quarters and in particular in Q2 is improvements in productivity driven by uh, better execution and our move up Market. We're seeing bigger deals. We are seeing um, uh more strategic deals and that comes from our ability to take our great product, our strong relationships and marry them with improved execution and just get better outcomes. And honestly, it's my first quarter here and I I was, I was impressed with some of the deals. We've been able to get in from the perspective of size duration, names structure. And I think again, that speaks to the sort of the, the the the Latin opportunity that we have here to monetize with our customers over time. And so, you should expect us to see more than that uh, in the context of improving, um, improve productivity, uh, you know, improving process. Some of the leadership changes are going to keep helping with that front as well. And the way
Margins at the same time and so again early days, you know, no Victory to declare here but some pretty positive signals.
Okay, that's helpful. And then can you just double click on on what you're seeing with your public sector business? Things seem to be progressing really well thus far this year. Uh, but as we head into the third quarter, could you just talk about how how conversations with customers are going? Just given the the larger Q3 buying cycle there?
Should I take that? Yeah. All right. Well, I'll say that.
We are in healthy conversations and that we are pleased with the way, the behavior of the federal government has changed in its priorities and it's buying patterns. But, uh, but beyond I think that's all I can. That's all I can add.
Very helpful. Thank you.
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