Q2 2025 Nuveen Churchill Direct Lending Corp Earnings Call

Speaker #4: Welcome to Nuveen Churchill Direct Lending Corp. Second quarter, 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the management team's prepared remarks.

Speaker #4: As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes. I'd like to turn the call over to Robert Paun. Head of Investor Relations for NCDL.

Speaker #4: Robert, please go head.

Speaker #5: Good morning and welcome to Nuveen Churchill Direct Lending Corp's second quarter, 2025 earnings call. Today, I'm joined by NCDL's Chairman, President, and CEO, Ken Kencel.

Speaker #5: And Chief Financial Officer, Shaul Vichness. Following our prepared remarks, we will be available to take your questions. Today's call may include forward-looking statements. Such statements involve known and unknown risks uncertainties and other factors and undue reliance should not be placed thereon.

Speaker #5: These forward-looking statements are not historical facts but rather are based on current expectations, estimates, and projections about the company, our current and prospective portfolio investments, our industry, our beliefs and opinions, and our assumptions.

Speaker #5: These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to risks uncertainties and other factors some of which are beyond our control and difficult to predict.

Speaker #5: Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or forecasted in the forward-looking statements. We ask that you refer to the company's most recent filings with the SEC for important risk factors.

Speaker #5: Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance and undue reliance should not be placed on them. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time.

Speaker #5: Our earnings release 10Q and supplemental earnings presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of our website at ncdl.com. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Ken.

Speaker #6: Thank you, Robert. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. During my prepared remarks, I will discuss our results for the second quarter, our origination activity, portfolio positioning, and forward outlook.

Speaker #6: After that, I'll hand the call over to Shaul for a more detailed discussion of our financial performance. Before discussing our results for the quarter, I wanted express our deepest sympathies and condolences to those affected by the tragic events last week in New York, at 3:45 Park Avenue, just steps away from our headquarters next door.

Speaker #6: Our thoughts are with the families, friends, and colleagues of victims and all those that were affected. Now, ning to our results, we are pleased with the returns we generated this quarter.

Speaker #6: Reflecting the positive momentum in our business driven by the strength of our platform and our high-quality investment portfolio. NCDL's financial performance continues to be strong, as we reported net investment income of $46.00 per share during the second quarter, which exceeded our regular quarterly distribution of $45.00 per share.

Speaker #6: Gross originations totaled approximately $48,000,000 in the quarter, compared to $166,000,000 in the first quarter of this year. The decline quarter over quarter was intentional.

Speaker #6: As we sought to reduce leverage modestly during Q2, in addition, global trade policy changes created volatility in the markets, which temporarily slowed transaction volume in April and early May.

Speaker #6: Our investment portfolios continue to perform well. Despite the volatile market environment during the second quarter, largely due to the strength of our senior loan investments.

Speaker #6: Net asset value was $17.92 per share at June 30th, compared to $17.96 per share at March 31st. The slight decline quarter over quarter was primarily due to modest valuation declines in some of our watch list names, partially offset by the positive impact of our share repurchase program.

Speaker #6: In terms of the recent market environment, the second quarter began with increased market volatility and uncertainty regarding global trade policy, which ultimately led to a pause in transaction activity early in the quarter.

Speaker #6: The second quarter ended with a rebound in market sentiment and investment opportunities, in fact, by June, investment activity returned to a more normalized level.

Speaker #6: Similar what we experienced during the first quarter of this year. Against that backdrop, our business continues to perform well. And we are intensely focused on continuing to invest in high-quality assets and deliver attractive, risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders.

Speaker #6: As we look ahead to the remainder of the year, we believe we are well positioned in entering the second half with positive momentum. Our investment pipeline continues to increase and remain healthy and strong.

Speaker #6: While we expect geopolitical uncertainty to continue, we remain focused on maintaining underwriting discipline and selectively investing in high-quality companies and proactively managing our current investment portfolio.

Speaker #6: In a period of constant change, a disciplined time-tested approach to investment and portfolio construction is critical. Now, turning to our investment activity, despite uncertainty related to trade policy in April, new LBO deals for high-quality assets that are in resilient non-tariff-exposed sectors continue to move forward in second quarter.

Speaker #6: As clarity began to return in late Q2 and market conditions stabilized, we saw deal flow begin to rebound, in fact, within our own portfolio at Churchill, the number of deals reviewed in June was up more than 60% from April.

Speaker #6: The scale and breadth of the Churchill platform allowed us to sustain steady activity through refinancings and add-on acquisitions. Maintaining uninterrupted access to high-quality deal flow.

Speaker #6: Churchill ultimately closed or committed $6.5 billion across more than 190 transactions in the first half of 2025, driven by a record-setting first quarter and renewed momentum heading into the summer.

Speaker #6: As I mentioned earlier, during the second quarter in NCDL, we intentionally reduced our allocation sizes to new deal flow given our focus on reducing leverage within NCDL to bring leverage back within our target range.

Speaker #6: While also continuing to benefit from activity at the platform level, our new commitments remain focused on senior lending. Which represented 95% of NCDL's origination activity in the second quarter.

Speaker #6: As a result, first lien debt remained steady as a percentage of the NCDL portfolio, representing approximately 90% of the fair value of overall portfolio.

Speaker #6: In addition to our differentiated sourcing and long track record, we believe focusing the vast majority of our investments in the relationship-driven core middle market—typically companies with $10 million to $100 million in EBITDA—helps insulate us from the more aggressive structures and loosening terms prevalent in the upper middle market and broadly syndicated loan space.

Speaker #6: In our view, risk-adjusted returns in this segment remain among the most compelling in private credit. Particularly for scale. Highly selective managers with deep private equity relationships.

Speaker #6: We see the core middle market as a durable opportunity to generate great long-term value and enhance portfolio diversification for our investors. In terms the portfolio and redit quality, company performance across our overall portfolio remained healthy and resilient.

Speaker #6: Which we believe reflects the quality of the deal flow we've experienced over the last several years. Additionally, our rigorous underwriting, high selectivity, and focus diversification have been critical to minimizing losses and generating strong returns across multiple market cycles.

Speaker #6: That same discipline extends to today's shifting trade landscape. Our weighted average internal risk rating remains at 4.1. Versus an original rating of 4.0, for all of our investments at the time of origination.

Speaker #6: And our watch list remains at a very manageable level of approximately 7% of fair value. Credit fundamentals within the NCDL portfolio remain strong. With portfolio company total net leverage of 4.9 times and interest coverage of 2.3 times on traditional middle market first lien loans.

Speaker #6: These metrics are a direct result of conservative structuring and relatively low attachment points that we target when underwriting new transactions. This conservative approach has served us well in the elevated interest rate environment.

Speaker #6: During the second quarter, NCDL had no new non-accruals. And one investment came off non-accrual following a restructuring. As of June 30th, non-accruals represented just 0.2% of our total investment portfolio on a fair value basis.

Speaker #6: And 0.4% on a cost basis. This compares to 0.4% and 1% of fair value and cost, respectively, as of March 31st of this year.

Speaker #6: With a highly diversified portfolio of over 200 companies and only one name on non-accrual status, we believe that this metric compares favorably versus BDC industry averages.

Speaker #6: Diversification remains a key focus of ours within our investment portfolio. This has been achieved with a continued high level of selectivity. Facilitated by the significant proprietary deal flow, our sourcing engine is able to generate from the breadth and depth of our PE relationships.

Speaker #6: As of June 30th, we had 207 companies in our portfolio. And our top 10 portfolio companies represented only 13.6% of the total fair value.

Speaker #6: This diversification is critical as we seek to maintain exceptional credit quality and originate additional attractive opportunities. Looking ahead to the second half of the year, we remain focused on building upon our competitive advantages to source a pipeline of high-quality investments in resilient, service-oriented sectors with minimal tariff exposure in the core middle market.

Speaker #6: We believe we remain well positioned due to our scale, our differentiated sourcing as an LP in over 325 private equity funds, and our nearly 20-year track record of investing across interest rate and economic cycles.

Speaker #6: And now, I'll turn the call over to Shaul to discuss our financial results in more detail.

Speaker #7: Thank you, Ken. And good morning, everyone. I will now review our second quarter financial results in more detail. NCDL reported net investment income of $46.00 per share in the second quarter, compared to $53.00 per share in the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #7: As previously disclosed, the incentive fee waiver we implemented at the time of our IPO in January of 2024 expired on March 31st of this year, and our management fee stepped up modestly.

Speaker #7: As a reminder, our fee structure now consists of a 1% management fee and a 15% incentive fee, both of which we believe to be shareholder-friendly and at the low end of the public BDC market.

Speaker #7: Total investment income decreased slightly to $53.1 million in the second quarter, compared to $53.6 million in the first quarter of this year, primarily driven by modest decline in our estment portfolio as a result of our intentional reduction in leverage during the quarter.

Speaker #7: In July, we paid a regular quarterly dividend of $45.00 per share, which equates to an annualized yield of approximately 10% on our quarter-end net asset value.

Speaker #7: Our total GAAP net income in the second quarter was $32.00 per share, compared to $29.00 per share in the first quarter of this year.

Speaker #7: Our second quarter net income included $14.00 of net realized and unrealized losses, largely due to a versal of unrealized losses on a restructured loan, which was ultimately realized during the quarter, as well as a decrease in values of a few watch list names.

Speaker #7: As we anticipated, our gross debt-to-equity ratio declined to 1.26 times at June 30 compared to 1.31 times at March 31. Our net debt-to-equity ratio, net of cash, was 1.21 times, compared to 1.25 times at March 31.

Speaker #7: At June 30th, our net asset value was $17.92 per share, compared to $17.96 per share at March 31st. The modest decline quarter over quarter was primarily driven by the $14.00 per share of net realized and unrealized losses during the quarter, partially offset by the positive impact of our share repurchase program of approximately $0.09 per share.

Speaker #7: Our investment portfolio had a fair value of $2 billion at the end of the second quarter, down slightly from $2.1 billion of fair value at the end of the first quarter of this year.

Speaker #7: Gross originations totaled approximately $48,000,000, and gross investment fundings totaled approximately $81,000,000. Which compares to $166,000,000 and $153,000,000 of gross originations and gross investment fundings, ectively, in the first quarter of this year.

Speaker #7: Repayments during the quarter totaled $3.1%. Lower than our long-range assumption of 5% per quarter, largely due to temporary pause in transaction activity early in the second quarter following liberation day.

Speaker #7: During the second quarter, we had full repayments on seven deals, totaling $52.6 million and partial repayments for another $12.5 million. We also sold nearly $100 million worth of upper middle market investments largely competing our strategy of rotating out of lower spread upper middle market investments and into our traditional middle market pipeline.

Speaker #7: On a net basis, we saw a net reduction in our fund and investment portfolio of $81,000,000, and we used those proceeds to repay leverage allowing us to modestly reduce our debt to equity ratio during the quarter.

Speaker #7: Looking ahead, we expect to continue to deploy capital received in connection with repayments into traditional middle market transactions. Our total portfolio consisted of 207 names as of the end of the second quarter, compared to 210 names at the end of the first quarter.

Speaker #7: We remain highly focused on diversification, with the top 10 portfolio companies accounting for only 13.6% of the fair value of the portfolio. Our largest exposure is only 1.6% of the total portfolio, and our average position size is 0.5%.

Speaker #7: We continue to view this high level of diversification by position size as a key risk mitigation tool. Now, turning to deployment and et selection, our new originations during the quarter were weighted towards traditional middle market senior loans, representing over 90% of the dollars deployed during the quarter, with the balance deployed into equity investments.

Speaker #7: This focus on the traditional middle market segment we believe will benefit NCDL shareholders as we see meaningfully higher spreads and tighter documentation terms in the traditional middle market versus the upper middle and BSL markets.

Speaker #7: Spreads in the quarter were largely unchanged, with the average spread on first lien loans again coming in at $480.00 basis points. Our weighted average yield on debt and income producing investments at cost also remained flat quarter over quarter at 10.1%.

Speaker #7: At the end of the second quarter, first-lien loans represented 90% of the total portfolio, while junior debt and equity comprised 8% and 2%, respectively.

Speaker #7: We continue to target 85 to 90% senior loans with the balance allocated to junior debt and equity, and we feel good about the current asset mix across the NCDL portfolio.

Speaker #7: As far as credit quality is concerned, as Ken mentioned arlier, our portfolio remains in good shape with only one portfolio company on non-accrual and one portfolio company removed from non-accrual status post-restructuring.

Speaker #7: The one non-accrual in the portfolio represents just 0.2% on a fair value basis and 0.4% at cost. This compares to 0.4% and 1% on a fair value and cost basis, respectively, at the end of the first quarter.

Speaker #7: Notably, we did not place any new names on non-accrual during the second quarter. Additionally, our weighted average internal risk rating remained consistent with the prior quarter at 4.1.

Speaker #7: Our watch list, consisting of names with an internal risk rating of six or worse, also remains at a relatively low level of 7.3% as of the end of the second quarter.

Speaker #7: And finally, our conservative approach to underwriting is highlighted by our weighted average net leverage of 4.9 times and interest coverage of 2.3 times. Now, turning to the right-hand side of our balance sheet, as expected, our debt to ity ratio declined to 1.26 times as of June 30th, compared to 1.31 times as of March 31st, and on a net basis, our debt to equity ratio is 1.21 times as of June 30th, net of our cash position as a quarter end.

Speaker #7: Our goal is to redeploy capital received from repayments and maintain leverage towards the upper end of our target range of 1 to 1.25 times debt to equity.

Speaker #7: With over $300 million of ailable liquidity as of the end of the second quarter and no near-term debt maturities, we remain well positioned to take advantage of attractive investment opportunities as well as fund our unfunding commitments.

Speaker #7: As discussed, our focus for the near term is on optimizing the asset mix within the portfolio and actively reinvesting cash received from repayments and sales into high-quality assets.

Speaker #7: Lastly, subsequent to quarter end, we completed the nearly $100 million share repurchase program that our board authorized at the time of our IPO, repurchasing a total of approximately $5.9 million shares and an attractive discount to NEV.

Speaker #7: I'll now turn it back to Ken for closing remarks.

Speaker #6: Thank you, Shaul. In summary, we are pleased with our results for the second quarter. And I'm extremely proud the execution of our team. Particularly given the volatility created by global trade policy changes.

Speaker #6: We believe we continue to be well positioned with respect to our high-quality investment portfolio, conservative investment approach, and strong capital structure. Furthermore, we continue to believe NCDL is uniquely positioned for long-term success and remain optimistic about the company's outlook based on our experienced team and our long-term successful track record of investing and operating across various market conditions and cycles.

Speaker #6: Thank ou all for joining us today. And your interest in NCDL. I will now turn the call over to the operator for Q&A.

Speaker #8: Thank ou. And at this time, we will conduct our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a estion, please press star one on your telephone keypad.

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Speaker #8: And your first question comes from Brian McKenna with Citizens. Please state your estion.

Speaker #9: Great. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. So it seems like NII is normalized here in the mid-40s on a per-share basis. Before assuming any changes to base rates, you're the upper end of the leverage range, so net portfolio growth will be pretty muted in the near term.

Speaker #9: And then you also bought back quite a bit of stock since the IPO. But, but 'm curious, I mean, do you have any other levers you can pull to create some more NII in the coming quarters?

Speaker #10: Yeah. Hey, Brian. thanks for the question. Good to, good to hear from you. it, it's Shaul. A ew things. you know, one, you know, as we look ahead here, you know, one of the things that we're very focused on is obviously redeploying cash that we receive from repayments into what we see as a very attractive traditional middle ket pipeline.

Speaker #10: across the platform. So, as Ken mentioned on the call, we continue to see ractive opportunities notwithstanding the slowdown that we saw in April. that activity and volume is picking up.

Speaker #10: As evidenced by the number of books coming in, the number of IC meetings that we're having, and just the overall general level of activity, this obviously provides us the ability to sort of recapture and realize the OID on the outgoing names and then redeploy into attractive assets.

Speaker #10: While at the same time maintaining our leverage at sort of the upper end of the range, which we did bring down a bit during the quarter.

Speaker #10: So we were pleased that we were able to generate the earnings that we did, you know, even at a slightly lower leverage ratio than, what we had, in the first quarter.

Speaker #10: So, you know, those are two areas where I think, you know, we'll be able to continue to generate, an attractive return and, support, the, the dividend, that we declared for the third quarter and going forward.

Speaker #10: The other element that I would highlight, and I know this has been talked about by others on their earnings calls through this cycle, is just the spillover income that we've accumulated in the vehicle as well.

Speaker #10: So that can also provide a bit of a buffer, as we move forward. But from an earnings perspective, again, you know, assuming market conditions remain favorable, base rates stay where they are, you know, we feel good about our ability to maintain earnings, in and around this level that generated, during the second quarter.

Speaker #9: Okay. that's great. Appreciate that. And then just a bigger pic, picture question for you, Ken. You know, you mentioned that the pipeline continues to grow and remains strong.

Speaker #9: I, I believe those, that's how you framed it. but any context around just the size of the backlog today, relative to where it was, say, at the beginning of the year, and then just, you know, bigger ture on deal flow, you know, sentiment has clearly recovered, you know, quite meaningfully across the capital markets.

Speaker #9: You know, it finally feels like we're getting closer to an inflection in sponsor M&A. But I'm just curious what you're hearing and seeing across your large network of sponsors.

Speaker #10: Yeah. No, that's a great question. And, you know, you know, we, we published a, a survey, a few weeks ago on sponsor, you know, sponsor, approach and, and, assessment of what they were eing in the market.

Speaker #10: So, you ow, a couple of things I would say. First of all, deal, deal flow right now that we're seeing, is that, a incredible level right now.

Speaker #10: In fact, I, I would say it's, it's actually not only back to where it was in the first quarter, which was running at an all-time record for us more broadly as a form, but I would say as good as we've seen, in the last several years.

Speaker #10: Quality is excellent. obviously, we're really only focusing on non-tariff-impacted businesses. And I would say have a kind of an extra level of a recessionary screen, although that, you know, the, the risk of that, I think, continues to be, quite muted.

Speaker #10: but the amount of deal activity, the level of, books that we're seeing in terms new, processes that are starting, lead us to be incredibly optimistic about, deal activity as we head into the fall.

Speaker #10: Normally, as you know, summers are pretty slow times for deal activity, particularly August. The reality is that has not been the case for us as we enter August of this year.

Speaker #10: very robust pipeline. Very high quality in s of the opportunities we're seeing. spreads have kind of, in, in, in our view, kind of leveled out now in that kind of 450 to 475 range.

Speaker #10: All in, leverage for new deals is around that kind of four and a half to five, five times. I mentioned quality companies; I would say the dynamics around covenants, certainly in the core middle market, remain quite good for us.

Speaker #10: So when you look all of that, the deal activity, the, the level of, invest the level of, of, of new deals we're eing, coupled with an all-in yield in the mid-nines, you know, I think you've got the formula for, you know, a very ractive risk-adjusted return.

Speaker #10: And we feel very good about where we're standing today. But deal activity, pipeline backlog—excellent right now. And I would say it's reflective of another dynamic that I've alluded to in prior calls.

Speaker #10: You know, the, the larger scale players are raising more capital, they are focusing on the, the larger, you know, higher quality mids, mid-market companies.

Speaker #10: And they're benefiting that, that deal flow. we're in the midst not only of a very, very strong deployment year, despite the slowdown in April and May, we're, we're running, you know, roughly equal to where we were last year with, you know, having lost almost two months of, of, of really normalized activity.

Speaker #10: We're also having a fantastic year capital raising-wise as well, so plenty of capital to deploy and deal activity there to keep us busy.

Speaker #10: So, feel very good, very optimistic about where we are today and heading into the fall.

Speaker #9: Really helpful. Thanks, Ken.

Speaker #8: Thank ou. And just a reminder, to ask a question, press star one. Your next question comes from Douglas Harder with UBS. Please state your question.

Speaker #11: Hi. This is, Corey Johnson on for Doug. so I just, had a estion. In, in regard to you, you ow, you mentioned, basically being able to rotate, from the upper middle market into more traditional middle market.

Speaker #11: I was just wondering, like, how, how much that is sort of, left to go? And are, are you able sort of size the impact of, of that rotation on earnings?

Speaker #10: Yeah. Hey, thanks for the question. So, a, a couple of comments. I mean, I think we, we talked about it on the first quarter earnings call.

Speaker #10: We just talked about it on this call as well in terms of the magnitude of that, rotation, and really what was driving that rotation trade was the, investment that we made into, more liquid upper middle ket, loans, using the proceeds from the IPO.

Speaker #10: and we really spent kind of the better part of, of, you know, the, the end of last year into this year, sort of, you ow, completing that rotation.

Speaker #10: As I indicated on the call, most of that is essentially done. We did sell $100 million worth of upper middle market loans during the quarter.

Speaker #10: Obviously, focusing on the more liquid assets that were trading, you know, at or near cost. and also, you know, lower spreads. So as you look across the SOI, you know, we'd essentially taken out, you ow, the assets that have the, 300 handle, spreads.

Speaker #10: And we've kind , essentially completed that rotation. I would say there's, you know, a handful of million, dollars worth left to go, in that process.

Speaker #10: But again, I would say that that is largely complete. and you can see it show up in some the statistics, if you look at the earnings presentation, so, some of the metrics around the portfolio are reflective of that rotation into, the, the more traditional middle market.

Speaker #10: And that's where we're gonna focus. So, I would say there's, you know, short answer is there's not much left to go there. And from an earnings perspective, I think that that's what's really giving us the confidence that we've now got a portfolio, with a weighted average spread, that we view as attractive in current rate environment, that should allow us to continue to generate this level earnings on a go-forward basis.

Speaker #10: So, the impacts are already in there. I, I would not assume that there's a ton left to go, just given the magnitude of the rotation that we've, h, already completed over the last two quarters.

Speaker #11: Thanks. And, and just one other question. you, you mention about how, you know, spreads have sort of, leveled out. can, can you be just talk a little bit about, like, where you might expect them to, the spreads might go from here over perhaps the next, next two quarters?

Speaker #11: Would. You know,

Speaker #10: Yeah.

Speaker #11: at, what scenarios do you think would possibly play out there?

Speaker #10: Yeah. No. great question. And, you know, and I, you ow, the backdrop here, of course, has been that, you know, certainly for the last year and a half to two years, spreads have been gradually drifting down.

Speaker #10: deal activity picking up has led to, you know, competitive dynamics from an investment standpoint. Spreads have tightened. they kind of, they kind of stalled at around 475, 500 for several quarters there.

Speaker #10: They, and they, they've gone to kind of 450, 475. If you look at historically where the spreads have been in our world, I would call that high quality, you know, core middle market, you know, B good businesses that, frankly, any lender would look and say, "Yeah, that's a great credit."

Speaker #10: And we would underwrite that." The, the, the bottom end of that, if you look back over the last five years, has been around 4 and a quarter.

Speaker #10: you know, so I, I'm not anticipating, much tightening in spreads. I ink, you know, the, the, the vast majority of the folks that we compete with and frankly partner with, all have, I would say, general approaches regarding absolute yields that would, I'd say, keep spreads in that vicinity.

Speaker #10: So I would not anticipate spreads, you know, coming in much further, you know, maybe another 25 basis points. But based on historical experience, you ow, that, that kind of has been the kind of the bottom end of what we've been seeing in, the core middle market.

Speaker #10: again, you know, obviously, rates are higher this time around, although coming down. So we'll see what appens. But I would say w-we would expect that spreads will continue to hover in that 450 range, maybe 425 being the kind of absolute low end of what we exp wait to experience historically.

Speaker #10: And that, in part, is due to the desire of direct lenders, obviously, to keep the yield premium to the liquid credit markets, even in periods where the yield premium has been tighter.

Speaker #10: It's still been hovering around 100 to 150 basis points. So, if you look at where BSL spreads are at, that would all, you know, triangulate around that kind of mid-400 range.

Speaker #11: Great. Thank you.

Speaker #8: And your next question comes from Aaron Saganovich with Chua Securities. Please state your estion.

Speaker #12: Thanks. y-you had mentioned that the Churchill platform closed or committed around six and a half billion in the first half of the year.

Speaker #10: Yep.

Speaker #12: Could you talk a little bit about w-what, what's included in that? A-and how much of, you know, at are, what are the assets that would fit, you know, in that six and a half billion into NCDL?

Speaker #12: Obviously, knowing that you, you know, you're, ou're limited in terms of how much, you can put into the, into the BDC.

Speaker #10: Sure. so if you look platform-wide, rough numbers, of the six and a half ion, about 4.8 billion was in senior lending. And about 1.4 billion was in our junior capital strategies.

Speaker #10: And that would include structured credit, you know, structured equity, direct equity investments, fund commitments, commitments to private equity funds themselves, we had very active secondary, equity secondaries effort as well.

Speaker #10: So, you know, call it, you know, rough numbers about $4.8 billion. In senior lending of the 191 transactions we did, 78 of those were in our core middle market senior lending platform.

Speaker #10: which, as I mentioned, you know, the, the overall numbers and actually the senior lending numbers as well, are, are about equal to where we were a year ago.

Speaker #10: But remember that, you know, we basically were investing for four months versus six, right? So, you know, April was very slow, as you can imagine.

Speaker #10: Things really did not start picking up until the end of May. So, you know, the way we see it is you had three months of the first quarter was a, a record quarter for us in terms investment activity.

Speaker #10: and then you had basically a, a th and a half in the second quarter of, of kind normalized activity. so to be equal to where we were a year ago, and certainly, you know, ahead of that on a run rate basis as we head into, head into the fall, you know, we're eling very, very good about deal activity across the, the platform overall.

Speaker #10: And obviously, the ability to keep NCDL fully invested, with high quality core middle ket assets, should be, you know, fairly easy for us to do now given that we've done the kind had the full rotation that Shaul, Shaul alluded to.

Speaker #10: So now it's all about, you know, investing, where there have been repayments, continuing to access, the, the broader platform. I think you saw the stats.

Speaker #10: I think in the first quarter we were the number one most active middle market lender in the core middle ket, you know, transactions under 500 million.

Speaker #10: I ink for the first six months we were one or two. so we, you know, we have a lot of deal activity. We can be really selective about the deals we pursue, which we love.

Speaker #10: and, ou know, and being an LP and 325 private equity funds, sitting on 250 advisory boards is an enormous advantage. it pretty much guarantees that we're gonna see the deal, right?

Speaker #10: The real question for us is, do we like the deal? Does it fit our parameters from a leverage standpoint? from a structural standpoint, from a pricing standpoint?

Speaker #10: but we remain very selective. And yet really busy. So, you know, that's obviously the, the best of both worlds. And, that's kind of the platform looks overall.

Speaker #10: And again, you ow, part of the benefit here for NCDL and for really all of our investors, including TIAA, is that we're able , to allocate across the platform and maintain that really high level of diversification while at the same time investing in, you know, good-sized core middle market companies.

Speaker #10: So you get the benefit of the diversity, but at the time and selectivity, obviously. But at the same time, you know, we're not investing in the kind lower middle market, almost micro-sized companies that we think, you know, have a much more a much higher risk profile.

Speaker #10: And frankly, more volatility. and, and an ic, and an economic downturn. So, all of which is to say we're, you know, we're very very good about where we're in the positioning, that have in the marketplace.

Speaker #11: Thanks. I appreciate the, the color there. you, you completed the, the share repurchase program in, in July. I guess there was a little bit left, after the quarter.

Speaker #11: i what, what are the plans there? Are you anticipating adding a new, share repurchase program to, you know, to the extent that your stock is trading below, NEV?

Speaker #10: Well, yeah. so, thanks for the question. o-obviously, we did just complete the program. And we were, you know, happy to, sort of round that out at, at what was, ended up being an attractive discount to NEV in s of the, the cumulative purchases.

Speaker #10: And you can see the benefit in the in the, NAV math. So from that perspective, we're, we're pleased with how it operated. the question of whether or not to, you know, implement a new program is something that we are, you ow, consistently evaluating.

Speaker #10: as with, other corporate finance decisions. So, it's, it's definitely a discussion that, is, is ongoing. we don't have any plans right now, to, to put one in place.

Speaker #10: But it is definitely something that we will be thinking about and talking about as we watch the performance of the stock going forward here.

Speaker #9: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #8: Thank ou. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call over to Ken Kencel for closing remarks.

Speaker #6: Great. Thank you, and thank you all for joining us today. We very much appreciate your support and the work on the analysis that you do, as well as the coverage that you provide of our stock and our business.

Speaker #6: So we, we again, thank ou very much for, for, joining the call. we appreciate, very much the time you investors, have, and, provided us.

Speaker #6: And, certainly look forward to continuing to update you as we move ward. Thanks again.