Q2 2025 Circle Internet Group Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #1: Hello, and thank you for standing by. My name is Tiffany, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Circle Internet Group, Q2, 2025 earnings call.

Tiffany: Hello, and thank you for standing by. My name is Tiffany, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Circle Internet Group Q2 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remark, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star and the number 1 on your telephone keypad. I would now like to turn the call over to John Andrews, Vice President of Capital Markets and Investor Relations. John, please go ahead.

Speaker #1: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers are marked, there will be a question and answer session.

Speaker #1: If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to turn the call over to John Andrews, Vice President of Capital Markets and Investor Relations.

Speaker #1: John, please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Good morning and welcome. This is John Andrews, VP of Capital Markets and Investor Relations at Circle, and I'd like to welcome you to our second quarter 2025 earnings conference call.

John Andrews: Good morning and welcome. This is John Andrews, VP of Capital Markets and Investor Relations at Circle Internet Group, and I would like to welcome you to our second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. We are excited for all of you who have joined us this morning as we take another key step on our journey as a public company with our first earnings call. I am joined by Jeremy Allaire, our Co-Founder, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman, and Jeremy Fox-Geen, our Chief Financial Officer. Earlier this morning, we posted our earnings press release and earnings presentation on the Circle Investor Relations website, investor.circle.com. A transcript of this call will be posted on that website once available. I do need to remind everyone that our earnings release, presentation, and this call contain statements that are forward-looking.

Speaker #2: We are excited for all of you who have joined us this morning as we take another key step on our journey as a public company with our first earnings call.

Speaker #2: I'm joined by Jeremy Allaire, our co-founder, Chief Executive Officer, and Chairman, and Jeremy Foxstein, our Chief Financial Officer. Earlier this morning, we posted our earnings press release and earnings presentation on the Circle Investor Relations website investor.circle.com.

Speaker #2: A transcript of this call will be posted on that website once available. I do need to remind everyone that our earnings release, presentation, and this call contain statements that are forward-looking.

Speaker #2: Because forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties, some of which cannot be predicted or quantified, and some of which are beyond our control, we should not rely on these forward-looking statements as predictions of future events.

John Andrews: Because forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties, some of which cannot be predicted or quantified, and some of which are beyond our control, we should not rely on these forward-looking statements as predictions of future events. The events and circumstances reflected in our forward-looking statements may not be achieved or occur, and actual results could differ materially from those projected in that forward-looking statement. Information concerning risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause these results to differ is included in our SEC filings. We will also disclose non-GAAP financial measures in the call today. Definitions of those non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the earnings release and earnings presentation that are available on our Investor Relations website at investor.circle.com. Non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to, but not as a substitute for, GAAP measures.

Speaker #2: The events and circumstances reflected in our forward-looking statements may not be achieved or occur. An actual result could differ materially from those projected in that forward-looking statement.

Speaker #2: Information concerning risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause these results to differ is included in our SEC filings. We will also disclose non-GAAP financial measures in the call today.

Speaker #2: Definitions of those non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the earnings release and earnings presentation that are available on our Investor Relations website at investor.circle.com.

Speaker #2: Non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to but not as a substitute for GAAP measures. With that out of the way, it's with pleasure, let me turn it over to Jeremy Allaire.

John Andrews: With that out of the way, it is with pleasure, let me turn it over to Jeremy Allaire.

Speaker #3: Thank you, John. I'm pleased to be here this morning. It's been an honor to bring Circle public and host our first earnings call. We are thrilled to work with so many world-class people, partners, and investors.

Jeremy Allaire: Thank you, John. I am pleased to be here this morning. It has been an honor to bring Circle public and host our first earnings call. We are thrilled to work with so many world-class people, partners, and investors. We started this company 12 years ago with an ambitious mission to build a new internet financial system with blockchains and digital currency that could increase global economic prosperity through the frictionless exchange of value. We and the entire market are in the early stages of that vision, literally graduating from the early adopter phase of blockchain technology and digital currency into the mainstream adoption phase that is accelerating. I want to start with some key highlights from 2025.

Speaker #3: We started this company 12 years ago with an ambitious mission to build a new Internet financial system with blockchains and digital currency that could increase global economic prosperity through the frictionless exchange of value.

Speaker #3: We, and the entire market, are in the early stages of that vision. Literally graduating from the early adopter phase of blockchain technology and digital currency into the mainstream adoption phase that is accelerating.

Speaker #3: I want to start with some key highlights from 2025. USDC, the core of our stablecoin network, has grown to $61.3 billion as of June 30th, and growth has accelerated into Q3, reaching $65.2 billion in circulation as of August 10th.

Jeremy Allaire: USDC, the core of our stablecoin network, has grown to $61.3 billion at June 30th, and growth has accelerated into Q3 to $65.2 billion in circulation as of August 10th, representing approximately 90% year-over-year growth and 49% growth year to date, making USDC the fastest growing major stablecoin over the past year. In Q2, USDC on-chain transaction volume grew 5.4x year over year to nearly $6 trillion. Our transaction volumes have also accelerated into Q3 with $2.4 trillion in transactions in July alone. We have been rapidly expanding Circle's platform and network with major new products, including Circle Payments Network, which we believe will become a breakthrough in global money movement by building an on-chain native payments network that will move money faster and more efficiently and opens up new utility through programmable payments.

Speaker #3: Representing approximately 90% year-over-year growth and 49% growth year-to-date, making USDC the fastest-growing major stablecoin over the past year. In Q2, USDC on-chain transaction volume grew 5.4x year-over-year to nearly $6 trillion.

Speaker #3: Our transaction volumes have also accelerated into Q3, with $2.4 trillion in transactions in July alone. We have been rapidly expanding Circle's platform and network with major new products, including Circle Payments Network, which we believe will become a breakthrough in global money movement by building an on-chain native payments network that will move money faster and more efficiently and opens up new utility through programmable payments.

Speaker #3: Circle Gateway, which enables seamless cross-chain USDC experiences, has partnered with eight new blockchains. Additionally, we are announcing ARK, our new Layer 1 blockchain network, today. More on that later.

Jeremy Allaire: Circle Gateway, which enables seamless cross-chain USDC experiences, eight new blockchain partners, and ARK, our new Layer 1 blockchain network, which we are announcing today. More on that later. Post IPO and Genius Act, we are experiencing rapid expansion in commercial opportunities with major mainstream companies across every sector of finance and technology, including companies from all around the world. From a corporate mission perspective, we joined Pledge 1%, a global movement for corporate impact. To honor this commitment, prior to the IPO, we reserved 2.7 million shares of our Class A common stock for future donations to our Circle Foundation. As we look at the overall stablecoin market, we believe that the total addressable market for stablecoins and our products is massive, with dollar stablecoins only representing a mere 1% of the U.S. M2 money supply, but with continued rapid growth in stablecoin supply.

Speaker #3: Post-IPO and the Genius Act, we are experiencing rapid expansion in commercial opportunities, with major mainstream companies across every sector of finance and technology, including companies from all around the world.

Speaker #3: And from a corporate mission perspective, we joined Pledge 1%, a global movement for corporate impact. To honor this commitment, prior to the IPO, we reserved $2.7 million shares of our Class A common stock for future donations to our Circle Foundation.

Speaker #3: As we look at the overall stablecoin market, we believe that the total addressable market for stablecoins and our products is massive. With dollar stablecoins only representing a mere 1% of the US M2 money supply, there continues to be rapid growth in stablecoin supply.

Speaker #3: Today, Circle operates the largest regulated stablecoin network in the world. We talk about this a lot. Stablecoins are network businesses and have meaningful network effects.

Jeremy Allaire: Today, Circle operates the largest regulated stablecoin network in the world. We talk about this a lot. Stablecoins are network businesses and have meaningful network effects. Growth of our stablecoin network is driven by our platform, our blockchain protocols, and the developers building applications and services on our network. That expands the Circle on-chain ecosystem and is the classic flywheel that has driven the growth of our stablecoin network since its launch in 2018. Like other internet platforms and network businesses, stablecoins are a winner-take-most market as liquidity and utility complement each other and drive growth. There have been many regulated and unregulated dollar stablecoins and many more to come, but the strength and resiliency of Circle's network effects positions us well to compete and grow.

Speaker #3: Growth of our stablecoin network is driven by our platform, our blockchain protocols, and the developers building applications and services on our network. That expands the Circle on-chain ecosystem and is the classic flywheel that has driven the growth of our stablecoin network since its launch in 2018.

Speaker #3: Like other Internet platforms and network businesses, stablecoins are a winner-take-most market, as liquidity and utility complement each other and drive growth. There have been many regulated and unregulated dollar stablecoins, and many more to come. However, the strength and resiliency of Circle's network effects position us well to compete and grow.

Speaker #3: Turning to the regulatory environment, Circle's market and competitive strength is further cemented with the signing of the Genius Act, creating powerful tailwinds for Circle.

Jeremy Allaire: Turning to the regulatory environment, Circle's market and competitive strength is further cemented with the signing of the Genius Act, creating powerful tailwinds for Circle. We believe this law will accelerate stablecoin adoption by major financial institutions, mainstream enterprises, technology companies, and ultimately drive much broader use of stablecoins across retail and wholesale payments, as well as broader usage in TradFi capital markets. This is likely the catalytic moment for the mainstream scaling of stablecoins, and we are already seeing this in our business momentum. Turning to our products and platform, we are continuing to make progress with our core digital asset products: USDC, EURC, and USYC. With USDC, we expanded our distribution onto eight new blockchain networks in 2025 and significantly expanded CCTP version two availability, both of which continue to cement USDC as the most liquid and available on-chain dollar stablecoin.

Speaker #3: We believe this law will accelerate stablecoin adoption by major financial institutions, mainstream enterprises, technology companies, and ultimately drive much broader use of stablecoins across retail and wholesale payments, as well as broader usage in TradFi capital markets.

Speaker #3: This is likely the catalytic moment for the mainstream scaling of stablecoins, and we are already seeing this in our business momentum. Turning to our products and platform, we are continuing to make progress with our core digital asset products: USDC, EURC, and USYC.

Speaker #3: With USDC, we expanded our distribution onto eight new blockchain networks in 2025, and significantly expanded CCTP version two availability, both of which continue to cement USDC as the most liquid and available on-chain dollar stablecoin.

Speaker #3: We also now offer a yield token, USYC, that can be used in both digital asset and traditional capital markets as collateral, with 24/7/365 liquidity between USYC and USDC.

Jeremy Allaire: We also now offer a yield token, USYC, that can be used in both digital asset and traditional capital markets as collateral, with 24/7 365 liquidity between USYC and USDC. We are now executing that strategy, driven by our expanded partnership with Binance, who will now make USYC available as collateral, unlocking a very powerful use of USYC on the largest exchange in the world. We are already seeing accelerating adoption there. We have continued to expand our core banking and liquidity capabilities, including with multiple G-SIBs, strengthening our unrivaled industry position. During Q2, we undertook the launch of one of the most ambitious new product investments, Circle Payments Network, our initiative to transform international money movement, which today already has active payment corridors in Hong Kong, Brazil, Nigeria, and Mexico. We have rapidly grown our pipeline of financial institutions interested in launching on CPN to over 100 firms.

Speaker #3: We're now executing that strategy, driven by our expanded partnership with Binance, who will now make USYC available as collateral, unlocking a very powerful use of USYC on the largest exchange in the world.

Speaker #3: And we're already seeing accelerating adoption there. We've continued to expand our core banking and liquidity capabilities, including with multiple GSIBs, strengthening our unrivaled industry position.

Speaker #3: During Q2, we undertook the launch of one of the most ambitious new product investments, the Circle Payments Network, our initiative to transform international money movement. Today, it already has active payment corridors in Hong Kong, Brazil, Nigeria, and Mexico.

Speaker #3: We have rapidly grown our pipeline of financial institutions interested in launching on CPN to over 100 firms. We have an ambitious roadmap and will continue to expand CPN's features and use cases.

Jeremy Allaire: We have an ambitious roadmap and will continue to expand CPN's features and use cases, from international money movement to other types of payments such as consumer and B2B payments, and still further into global capital markets and corporate treasury services. We are incredibly excited to see this level of interest so soon after CPN's launch. In July, we introduced Circle Gateway, which abstracts away the complexity of holding USDC on different blockchains and in different wallets, streamlining usability and speeding transactions that use USDC. This is a key building block in bringing USDC into more mainstream financial and payment applications and creates new monetization opportunities for Circle. Now, I would like to turn to a very special and major new platform initiative that we are announcing today, ARK. ARK is a new blockchain network from Circle that we will launch in the second half of the year.

Speaker #3: From international money movement to other types of payments such as consumer and B2B payments, and still further into global capital markets and corporate treasury services.

Speaker #3: We're incredibly excited to see this level of interest so soon after CPN's launch. In July, we introduced Circle Gateway, which abstracts away the complexity of holding USDC on different blockchains and in different wallets.

Speaker #3: Streamlining usability, and speeding transactions that use USDC. This is a key building block in bringing USDC into more mainstream financial and payment applications, and creates new monetization opportunities for Circle.

Speaker #3: Now, I'd like to turn to a very special and major new platform initiative that we are announcing today: ARK. ARK is a new blockchain network from Circle that we will launch in the second half of the year.

Speaker #3: We are at the fulcrum of a massive mainstream embrace of stablecoins in the financial system, and firms are racing to build on this infrastructure.

Jeremy Allaire: We are at the fulcrum of a massive mainstream embrace of stablecoins in the financial system, and firms are racing to build on this infrastructure. But until now, the blockchain infrastructure needed to meet the most intense demands of major financial firms and enterprises has simply not existed. We are delivering that infrastructure with ARK. ARK is a new Layer 1 blockchain that is compatible with Ethereum infrastructure but operates as a standalone network. Some key facts about ARK. We wanted to create a way for institutions to pay fees on blockchains in a fast, predictable manner that would be simple from an accounting perspective and could deliver very low cost and stable fees. With ARK, we are using USDC itself as the native gas fee currency. This removes the complexity of paying transaction fees in a native token. ARK offers enterprise-grade performance and real settlement finality.

Speaker #3: But until now, the blockchain infrastructure needed to meet the most intense demands of major financial firms and enterprises has simply not existed. We are delivering that infrastructure with ARK.

Speaker #3: ARK is a new Layer 1 blockchain that is compatible with Ethereum infrastructure but operates as a standalone network. Some key facts about ARK: We wanted to create a way for institutions to pay fees on blockchains in a fast, predictable manner that would be simple from an accounting perspective and could deliver very low-cost and stable fees.

Speaker #3: So with ARK, we are using USDC itself as the native gas fee currency. This removes the complexity of paying transaction fees in a native token.

Speaker #3: ARK offers enterprise-grade performance and real settlement finality. Financial institutions and regulators expect deterministic finality, which ARK will achieve with Circle-vetted professional validators and its novel consensus mechanism.

Jeremy Allaire: Financial institutions and regulators expect deterministic finality, which ARK will achieve with Circle-vetted professional validators and its novel consensus mechanism. ARK will also offer configurable privacy controls with opt-in confidential transfer features, which is essential for real-world business and financial applications and also supports regulatory compliance. Finally, ARK will be integrated across Circle's entire product portfolio and will also provide best-in-class USDC liquidity and interoperability across the wide range of blockchain networks we already support. We are very excited about ARK and have shared more information, including a brief paper and platform details on circle.com and the ARK website. Now let's turn to growth and adoption. Just in the past few months, we've seen incredible engagement and interest in working with Circle from major firms in every sector of the financial system, as well as internet and technology companies, and this is consistent and accelerating all around the world.

Speaker #3: ARK will also offer configurable privacy controls, with opt-in confidential transfer features, which is essential for real-world business and financial applications. And also supports regulatory compliance.

Speaker #3: And finally, ARK will be integrated across Circle's entire product portfolio and will also provide best-in-class USDC liquidity and interoperability across the wide range of blockchain networks we already support.

Speaker #3: We are very excited about ARK and have shared more information, including a brief paper and platform details, on Circle.com and the ARK website. Now let's turn to growth and adoption.

Speaker #3: Just in the past few months, we've seen incredible engagement and interest in working with Circle from major firms in every sector of the financial system, as well as Internet and technology companies and this is consistent and accelerating all around the world.

Speaker #3: I'd like to highlight a few examples from our recent periods. In digital assets, we've launched and expanded key partnerships with Binance and OKX, two of the largest exchanges in the world.

Jeremy Allaire: I'd like to highlight a few examples from our recent periods. In digital assets, we've launched and expanded key partnerships with Binance and OKX, two of the largest exchanges in the world. With Binance, we've significantly expanded our partnership to include broader use of Circle technology. We're also continuing to see strong traction and partnerships in DeFi, including our planned launch of USDC on Hyperliquid, one of the fastest growing on-chain exchanges and ecosystems. Major cross-border payment firms like Remitly, MoneyGram, and ZEPS are integrating USDC into their payment networks, and Stripe made USDC central to its new global stablecoin financial accounts for businesses. Visa, MasterCard, and others have publicly announced new products and plans that would expand availability and usage of USDC on their networks.

Speaker #3: With Binance, we've significantly expanded our partnership to include broader use of Circle technology. We're also continuing to see strong traction and partnerships in DeFi, including our planned launch of USDC on Hyperliquid, one of the fastest-growing on-chain exchanges and ecosystems.

Speaker #3: Major cross-border payment firms like Remitly, MoneyGram, and ZEPs are integrating USDC into their payment networks, and Stripe made USDC central to its new global stablecoin financial accounts for businesses.

Speaker #3: Visa, MasterCard, and others have publicly announced new products and plans that would expand availability and usage of USDC on their networks. I'm particularly excited that banking and payments infrastructure providers like Matera, Fiserv, FIS, and Corpay all announced deals with Circle to add stablecoin capabilities and our technology into their product infrastructure that combines serves tens of thousands of banks and financial institutions.

Jeremy Allaire: I'm particularly excited that banking and payments infrastructure providers like Matera, Fiserv, FIS, and Corepay all announced deals with Circle to add stablecoin capabilities and our technology into their product infrastructure that combines serves tens of thousands of banks and financial institutions. Now turning to digital asset trading markets, which continue to remain a key priority and a significant growth opportunity for Circle. Since we launched initiatives to drive USDC in the digital asset markets in early 2024, our share of spot trading volume has grown from 1% to 10% in Q2. Through our partnerships and growth initiatives, we are highly focused on continued market share gains. Digital asset firms globally are focused on working with the most trusted and compliant leader in stablecoins. To summarize, let me reiterate the advantages of our stablecoin network. Circle is uniquely positioned to lead in the mainstream adoption of blockchain and stablecoins.

Speaker #3: Now turning to digital asset trading markets, which continue to remain a key priority and a significant growth opportunity for Circle. Since we launched initiatives to drive USDC in the digital asset markets in early 2024, our share of spot trading volume has grown from 1% to 10% in Q2.

Speaker #3: And through our partnerships and growth initiatives, we are highly focused on continued market share gains. Digital asset firms globally are focused on working with the most trusted and compliant leader in stablecoins.

Speaker #3: To summarize, let me reiterate the advantages of our stablecoin network. Circle is uniquely positioned to lead in the mainstream adoption of blockchain and stablecoins.

Speaker #3: Our platform powers developers, enterprises, and institutions to build on the Circle stablecoin network. Leveraging our deep liquidity infrastructure and seamless global bank connectivity, we provide primary liquidity in every major financial center and have facilitated over $1 trillion in USDC issuance and redemption since 2018.

Jeremy Allaire: Our platform powers developers, enterprises, and institutions to build on the Circle stablecoin network, leveraging our deep liquidity infrastructure and seamless global bank connectivity. We provide primary liquidity in every major financial center and have facilitated over $1 trillion in USDC issuance and redemption since 2018. With internet-scale distribution across wallets, payment providers, banks, and exchanges worldwide, Circle is becoming the default choice for institutions selecting a stablecoin network. Our market-neutral model invites broad adoption of our platform from even the most competitive players. Our trusted, regulated status and longstanding policy engagement, capped by the passage of the Genius Act, fortifies our position as the industry's most reliable foundation. Together, these strengths create powerful competitive bulwarks and network effects that compound, driving exponential growth for Circle. With that, I will turn things over to our CFO, Jeremy Fox-Geen.

Speaker #3: With Internet-scale distribution across wallets, payment providers, banks, and exchanges worldwide, Circle is becoming the default choice for institutions selecting stablecoin network. Our market-neutral model invites broad adoption of our platform from even the most competitive players.

Speaker #3: Our trusted, regulated status and long-standing policy engagement, capped by the passage of the Genius Act, fortifies our position as the industry's most reliable foundation.

Speaker #3: Together, these strengths create powerful competitive bulwarks and network effects that compound, driving exponential growth for Circle. With that, I will turn things over to our CFO, Jeremy Foxstein.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Jeremy, and good morning, everyone. I'm excited to be here with you all for our first earnings call as a public company. I'll start by briefly walking through the fundamentals of our business and financial model, and then turn to the financial and operating results for the quarter.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Thank you, Jeremy, and good morning, everyone. I am excited to be here with you all for our first earnings as a public company. I will start by walking briefly through the fundamentals of our business and financial model, and then turn to the financial and operating results for the quarter. As Jeremy noted, stablecoins are network businesses with internet scale potential. Successful networks are valuable and enduring, and our strategy is to build the largest stablecoin network. We make money in two ways. First, we monetize the money stock on the network through reserve income, which we earn on the cash equivalent assets we hold to back our stablecoin. We are also starting to monetize certain transaction flows and elements of our network infrastructure.

Speaker #4: As Jeremy noted, stablecoins are network businesses with Internet-scale potential. Successful networks are valuable and enduring, and our strategy is to build the largest stablecoin network.

Speaker #4: We make money in two ways: first, we monetize the money stuck on the network through reserve income, which we earn on the cash-equivalent assets we hold to back our stablecoins.

Speaker #4: And we are also starting to monetize certain transaction flows and elements of our network infrastructure. While these other revenues are small today, they are growing, are high margin, and also have the potential to scale rapidly with network adoption and usage.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: While these other revenues are small today, they are growing, are high margin, and also have the potential to scale rapidly with network adoption and usage. Finally, we are an internet platform business with a highly scalable model and inherent operating leverage with the potential to deliver strong profit growth and margin expansion over time. Let me now review the quarter. Circle’s stablecoin network continues to grow strongly. USDC on-chain transaction volume was up 5.4 times year on year. CCTP volume showed similar growth, up 4.1 times year on year, demonstrating the importance of blockchain interoperability. Meaningful wallets, defined as wallets holding more than $10 of USDC, were up 68% year on year, as USDC adoption continues to expand globally. USDC in circulation stood at $61.3 billion at quarter end, up 90% year on year, and was at $65.2 billion as of August 10th, up 6.4% since quarter end.

Speaker #4: Finally, we are an Internet platform business. With a highly scalable model and inherent operating leverage, with the potential to deliver strong profit growth and margin expansion over time.

Speaker #4: Let me now review the quarter. Circle's stablecoin network continues to grow strongly. USDC on-chain transaction volume was up 5.4 times year-on-year. CCTP volume showed similar growth, up 4.1 times year-on-year, demonstrating the importance of blockchain interoperability.

Speaker #4: Meaningful wallets, defined as wallets holding more than $10 of USDC, were up 68% year-on-year, as USDC adoption continues to expand globally. USDC in circulation stood at $61.3 billion at quarter end, up 90% year-on-year.

Speaker #4: And was at $65.2 billion as of August 10th, up 6.4% since quarter end. USDC held within Circle's platform infrastructure grew 10 times year-on-year, reaching 10% of total circulation at quarter end, as more partners build using our platform infrastructure.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: USDC held within Circle’s platform infrastructure grew 10 times year on year, reaching 10% of total circulation at quarter end as more partners build using our platform infrastructure. The reserve return rate was 4.14% for the second quarter, reflecting the decline in SOFA during this period. Total revenue and reserve income increased 53% year on year to $658 million in the second quarter, as growth in USDC in circulation was partly offset by a lower reserve return rate. Total distribution transaction and other costs increased 64% year on year to $407 million. The increase was driven by higher average USDC balances held on Coinbase’s platform and other partner incentives as we continue to build and grow partnerships to drive USDC growth and adoption. As a result, our revenue less distribution cost margin was 38% in the second quarter.

Speaker #4: The reserve return rate was 4.14% for the second quarter, reflecting the decline in sofa during this period. Total revenue and reserve income increased 53% year-on-year to $658 million in the second quarter, as growth in USDC in circulation was partly offset by a lower reserve return rate.

Speaker #4: Total distribution transaction and other costs increased 64% year-on-year to $477 million, the increase was driven by higher average USDC balances held on Coinbase's platform and other partner incentives, as we continue to build and grow partnerships to drive USDC growth and adoption.

Speaker #4: As a result, our revenue-less distribution cost margin was 38.8% in the second quarter. Other revenue increased to $24 million in the second quarter, up 3.5 times year-on-year.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Other revenue increased to $24 million in the second quarter, up 3.5 times year on year. This was primarily driven by a $13 million increase in subscription and services revenue, mostly from our blockchain network partnerships. Transaction revenues grew strongly to $5.8 million in the second quarter, up from $1.6 million in Q1. Our other revenues carry a higher margin than our net reserve margin and added 2.2 percentage points to margin overall in the second quarter. Total revenue and reserve income less distribution transaction and other costs was $251 million in the second quarter, growing 38% year on year. Adjusted operating expenses, which excludes depreciation and amortization, non-operating digital asset gains and losses, and stock-based compensation were $128 million for the quarter, as we continue to invest in growing our platform at this pivotal moment for our industry.

Speaker #4: This was primarily driven by a $13 million increase in subscription and services revenue, mostly from our blockchain network partnerships. Transaction revenues grew strongly to $5.8 million in the second quarter, up from $1.6 million in Q1.

Speaker #4: Our other revenues carry a higher margin than our net reserve margin, and added 2.2% to margin overall in the second quarter. Total revenue and reserve income less distribution, transaction, and other costs was $251 million in the second quarter, growing 38% year-on-year.

Speaker #4: Adjusted operating expenses, which excludes depreciation and amortization, non-operating digital asset gains and losses, and stock-based compensation, were $128 million for the quarter. As we continue to invest in growing our platform at this pivotal moment for our industry.

Speaker #4: Adjusted EBITDA was $126 million in the quarter, up 52% year-on-year, and delivering a 50% adjusted EBITDA margin. Reflecting the strong operating leverage inherent in our business model.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Adjusted EBITDA was $126 million in the quarter, up 52% year on year, and delivering a 50% adjusted EBITDA margin, reflecting the strong operating leverage inherent in our business model. Now let me turn to our outlook. Our goal is to help investors and analysts understand our business and how we manage it as best as possible. We are at the beginning of meaningful structural shifts in the global markets for money, and we are managing our business for long-term success. As such, we do not intend to give short-term quarterly guidance. We do intend, however, to give full-year guidance on certain key metrics. We will evolve this guidance each quarter with our financial results as needed. USDC in circulation is not a forecastable metric in the traditional sense and is in many ways the outcome of an entire economy of activity.

Speaker #4: Now let me turn to our outlook. Our goal is to help investors and analysts understand our business and how we manage it as best as possible.

Speaker #4: We are at the beginning of meaningful structural shifts in the global markets for money and we are managing our business for long-term success. As such, we do not intend to give short-term quarterly guidance.

Speaker #4: We do intend, however, to give full-year guidance on certain key metrics. We will evolve this guidance each quarter with our financial results as needed.

Speaker #4: USDC in circulation is not a forecastable metric in the traditional sense and is, in many ways, the outcome of an entire economy of activity.

Speaker #4: There is a growing body of third-party research on stablecoin growth, with multi-year forecast CAGRs ranging from 25 to 90%, with a median of 60%.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: There is a growing body of third-party research on stablecoin growth, with multi-year forecast CAGRs ranging from 25% to 90%, with a median of 60%. Our core model anticipates multi-year through-cycle USDC growth of a 40% CAGR, reflecting our conservative nature. We anticipate other revenue to range between $75 million and $85 million for 2025, primarily driven by subscription and services revenue from our blockchain network partnerships, which can vary quarter on quarter, along with transaction revenues, which are small today but growing. We anticipate an RLDC margin of between 36% and 38% for 2025. While RLDC margin for the first half of the year was 39%, we continue to invest in partnerships with industry-leading institutions to grow USDC adoption.

Speaker #4: Our core model anticipates multi-year through-cycle USDC growth of a 40% CAGR, reflecting our conservative nature. We anticipate other revenue to range between $75 million and $85 million for 2025, primarily driven by subscription and services revenue from our blockchain network partnerships, which can vary quarter to quarter.

Speaker #4: Along with transaction revenues, which are small today but growing. We anticipate an RLDC margin of between 36 and 38% for 2025. While RLDC margin for the first half of the year was 39%, we continue to invest in partnerships with industry-leading institutions to grow USDC adoption.

Speaker #4: Adjusted operating expenses are expected to range between $475 million and $490 million in 2025. As we continue to invest in key areas to build out our platform, our capabilities, and our global partnerships.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Adjusted operating expenses we expect will range between $475 million and $490 million in 2025, as we continue to invest in key areas to build out our platform, our capabilities, and our global partnerships. This would represent a full-year growth rate of between 20% and 24%. In closing, we have had a strong first half and are executing at an accelerating pace against the significant opportunity in front of us. Thank you to our investors and analysts for your support and engagement, and we look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. With that, operator, we can now start the Q&A portion of the call.

Speaker #4: This would represent a full-year growth rate, of between 20 and 24%. In closing, we have had a strong first half and are executing at an accelerating pace, against the significant opportunity in front of us.

Speaker #4: Thank you to our investors and analysts for your support and engagement, and we look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. With that, operator, we can now start the Q&A portion of the call.

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Speaker #1: Your first question comes from the line of Joseph Voffe with Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Hey, Jeremy and Jeremy. Great, results here, and congrats on your your IPO, which was obviously a great success. And, and your first earnings call.

Joseph Vaffe: Hey, Jeremy and Jeremy, great results here and congrats on your IPO, which was obviously a great success and your first earnings call. Just a couple for me. One, the news on ARK, obviously very exciting. Do you believe that the gas fees and the like are, you know, the first step here in the revenue model for USDC, you know, for maybe, you know, for transactions away, you know, from trading pairs and the like? Is ARK going to be, and the gas fees going to be, you know, kind of the basis for transaction fees here for broader transactions with USDC? And I will have a quick follow-up.

Speaker #5: Just, a couple for me. One, the news on ARK, obviously, very exciting. Do you believe that the gas fees and, and, and the like are, you know, the the first step here in the revenue model for for USDC, you know, for maybe, you know, for for transactions away, you know, from trading pairs and the like, is, is, you know, is ARK going to be, and and the gas fees going to be, you know, kind of the basis for transaction fees here?

Speaker #5: For broader transactions with USDC, and I'll have a quick follow-up.

Speaker #3: Sure. Thanks, Joe. look, a few things here. First, we're we're very excited about ARK, there's a lot more information out about it. you know, ARK, we want to underpin, you know, all stablecoin finance, payments, FX, capital markets applications, and it's really designed to support, mainstream regulated financial institutions who want to build on-chain and build financial, you know, products and services on-chain.

Jeremy Allaire: Sure. Thanks, Joe. Look, a few things here. First, we are very excited about ARK. There is a lot more information out about it. ARK, we want to underpin all stablecoin finance, payments, FX, capital markets applications, and it is really designed to support mainstream regulated financial institutions who want to build on-chain and build financial products and services on-chain. We are excited and we believe that a lot of traffic can move onto a network like ARK. Yes, the gas fees, which are denominated in USDC, can become a source of revenue. We will certainly, as this goes into Testnet and ultimately launches on Mainnet, have a lot more to say about that. I would also say, just to contextualize it, we have a number of transaction fee revenue streams that are emerging.

Speaker #3: And so, we're, you know, we're excited and we believe that a lot of traffic can move onto a network like ARK. Yes, the gas fees, which are denominated in USDC, can become a source of revenue and will certainly, as this goes into testnet and ultimately launches on mainnet, we'll have a lot more to say about that.

Speaker #3: But I would also say, just to contextualize it, we have a number of transaction fee revenue streams that are emerging and, you know, Jeremy referred in his remarks to the kind of growth in, transaction, fee revenue, which, which was, you know, very solid, on an annualized basis.

Jeremy Allaire: Jeremy Allaire referred in his remarks to the kind of growth in transaction fee revenue, which was very solid on an annualized basis. We are continuing to see so many new products and services that we are building include transaction fee components to them. Of course, that includes CPN as we scale that. It includes premium features of Circle Mint. It includes features of USYC, our yield-bearing token. We are adding more and more transaction fee models. You are correct that ARK does have an underlying gas fee transaction fee model built on USDC.

Speaker #3: and, and we're continuing to see. So, many new products and services that we're building, include transaction fee components to them. and, you know, of course, that includes CPN, as we scale that, and includes, you know, premium features of Circle Mint, it includes features, of USYC, our our yield token, and so we're adding more and more transaction fee, models, but you are correct, that ARK does have a, a underlying gas fee, transaction fee model, built on USDC.

Speaker #5: Sure. Great. Thanks, Jeremy. And then, just, you know, on the USYC theme, maybe drill down a little bit on that expanded relationship there with Binance, with a focus on USYC, and maybe just a little color on, you know, expanding that into USYC and not just USD.

Joseph Vaffe: Great. Thanks, Jeremy. Then just, you know, on the USYC theme, maybe drill down a little bit on that expanded relationship there with Binance with a focus on USYC. Maybe just a little color on, you know, expanding that into USYC and not just USD. Thanks a lot.

Speaker #5: Thanks a lot.

Speaker #3: Sure. A couple of things of note. So, as noted in, in, in my comments, we have expanded our partnership with Binance. That includes both, around USDC and USYC.

Jeremy Allaire: Sure. A couple of things of note. As noted in my comments, we have expanded our partnership with Binance. That includes both around USDC and USYC. With USDC, they are continuing to adopt Circle Wallet technologies. They are more for their deeper support and integration with Circle's Wallet technology, which is going to help promote and grow the use of USDC on their platform. They have been a great partner and they are leaning into both the technology and really driving USDC growth. The partnership around USYC is really important. When we acquired the product and then very recently relaunched the product, we designed it to be something that could be used as a yield-bearing collateral instrument. When you look at global exchanges today, and Binance is the largest global exchange, there is an enormous amount of collateral posted in those markets.

Speaker #3: with USDC, there are a continuing to adopt Circle wallet technologies, they're, they're more, they're, they're sort of deeper, support and integration with Circle's wallet technology.

Speaker #3: which is going to help promote and grow the use of USDC on their platform. And so, they've been a great partner and they're leaning into both the technology and, really driving USDC growth.

Speaker #3: the, the, the partnership around USYC is, is really important, when we acquired the product and then, very recently relaunched the product, we designed it to be something that could be used as a yield-bearing collateral instrument.

Speaker #3: And when you look at global exchanges today and Binance is the largest global exchange, there's an enormous amount of collateral posted in, in those markets.

Speaker #3: and, and we believe that a, you know, as institutionalization takes hold, that, you know, the big trading firms, asset managers, institutions are going to want to post yield-bearing collateral, but then actually trade with USDC.

Jeremy Allaire: We believe that as institutionalization takes hold, the big trading firms, asset managers, and institutions are going to want to post yield-bearing collateral, but then actually trade with USDC. The integration between USYC as yield-bearing collateral and USDC as digital cash that can be used as relative margin and in spot markets and the like, it is a powerful market structure. The fact that we are doing this with the biggest exchange in the world is really significant. We hope and expect that we will deploy this kind of architecture in more digital asset exchanges and ultimately on major traditional clearinghouses. Earlier in the year, we announced a collaboration with ICE. Within the context of that, the goal is to stand up the ability to support yield-bearing collateral like USYC, USDC as cash and settlement.

Speaker #3: And so the integration between USYC as yield-bearing collateral and USDC as digital cash that can be used, you know, as a relative margin and as in spot markets and the like is, it's a powerful market structure.

Speaker #3: the fact that we're doing this with the biggest exchange in the world is, is really significant. And, and we hope and expect that we will, deploy this kind of architecture in more digital asset exchanges and ultimately, on major traditional, clearinghouses, you know, earlier in the year we announced a collaboration with ICE.

Speaker #3: And, within the context of that, the goal is to stand up the ability to support yield-bearing collateral like USYC, USDC as cash, and settlement.

Speaker #3: And so, this new 24/7/365 market structure, where you can seamlessly move between tokenized yield-bearing collateral and cash, we think it's the future of financial markets.

Jeremy Allaire: This new 24/7 365 market structure where you can seamlessly move between tokenized yield-bearing collateral and cash, we think it is the future of financial markets. We are obviously excited about pioneering an implementation of that vision with the largest digital asset exchange in the world.

Speaker #3: And we're obviously excited about pioneering an implementation of that vision with the largest digital asset exchange in the world.

Speaker #5: Great. Congratulations again, Jeremy.

Joseph Vaffe: Great. Congratulations again, Jeremy.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Jeremy Allaire: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your Your next, your next question comes from the line of Pete Christensen with CITI. Please go ahead.

Tiffany: Your next question comes from the line of Pete Christensen with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker #6: Good morning. Thank you. And, and certainly, we, we echo our, our congratulations on, on a very, very successful IPO. it's been a long road for you guys, so congratulations.

Ken Worthington: Good morning. Thank you. We echo our congratulations on a very, very successful IPO. It has been a long road for you guys, so congratulations. Jeremy, I wanted to ask, and we get this question quite a bit from investors, is trying to understand the transaction volume versus the circulation. Obviously, transaction volume is growing way faster. The question kind of comes down to trying to understand the velocity of each token and how that relates to circulation overall. If you could dimensionalize that for us to help us better understand that relationship, it would be super helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #6: Jeremy, I wanted to ask, and we get this question quite a bit from investors, is, is trying to understand, the transaction volume versus the circulation.

Speaker #6: Obviously, transaction volume growing way faster. So, the question kind of comes down to, trying to understand the velocity of, of, of each token, and, and how that relates to circulation overall.

Speaker #6: Just if you could, if you could dimensionalize that for us, to help us under better understand that relationship would be super helpful. Thank you.

Speaker #3: Yeah. You're, you're welcome. Thanks, thanks again. a couple of things of note. I think, obviously, you, you're absolutely correct. the, you know, the money stock, which, you know, today is sitting at, you know, around $65.6 billion of USDC versus the amount of transactional volume that happens on-chain.

Jeremy Allaire: You are welcome. Thanks again. A couple of things of note. I think obviously you are absolutely correct. The money stock, which today is sitting at around $65.6 billion of USDC versus the amount of transactional volume that happens on-chain. That is, by the way, not including transactions that are happening on exchanges, which is sort of off-chain transaction volume. But the on-chain transaction volume, what you note is that a dollar digital currency such as USDC has very high velocity. I think in part that is based on the fact that blockchain-based transactions now, through the development of mature blockchain networks, allow transactions to happen in fractions of a second and fractions of a cent.

Speaker #3: That's, by the way, not including transactions that are happening on exchanges, which is sort of off-chain transaction volume. But the on-chain transaction volume, what you, what you note is that a, a, a dollar digital currency, such as USDC, has very high velocity.

Speaker #3: And I think in part that is the, the based on the fact that, blockchain-based transactions, you know, now, through the, the development of mature blockchain networks, allow transactions to happen in, you know, fractions of a second and fractions of a cent.

Speaker #3: And so the kind of, the speed with which transactions can happen, the ability to move the digital dollars, all around the world seamlessly to move them between different protocols, for investment or for payments, it is a higher velocity form of money.

Jeremy Allaire: So the kind of speed with which transactions can happen, the ability to move the digital dollars all around the world seamlessly, to move them between different protocols for investment or for payments, it is a higher velocity form of money. I think just like data moves a lot faster than your newspaper delivery or your video call moves a lot faster than a letter, internet-native architectures for money are going to allow for higher velocity money overall. In terms of the connection between that money velocity and core stablecoin money supply, I mean, I think there is correlation. You can sort of see that correlation. But we have also seen that over the last year, transaction volume growth has been higher than the stablecoin money supply growth.

Speaker #3: And I think just like, you know, data moves a lot faster than your newspaper delivery or, you know, your, your, your, your, your video call, you know, moves a lot faster than a letter, Internet-native architectures for money are going to allow for higher velocity money overall.

Speaker #3: Now, in terms of, the connection between, that money velocity and, and core and, and kind of core, stablecoin money supply, I mean, I think there's correlation.

Speaker #3: You can sort of see that correlation. but, you know, we, we've also seen that, you know, over the, over the last year, transaction volume growth has been higher than, you know, the stablecoin money supply growth.

Speaker #3: And I think in part that reflects the, you know, the improvements in blockchain technology infrastructure so that it is faster and cheaper and, and easier to move these digital dollars around.

Jeremy Allaire: I think in part that reflects the improvements in blockchain technology infrastructure so that it is faster and cheaper and easier to move these digital dollars around. That also, I think, reflects the growth in payment utility that we are seeing for these in emerging and developing markets and peer-to-peer transactions. So I think it is a mixture of things like that that we look at. I think from a very long-term perspective, we certainly are interested in kind of the monetary theory that will go behind this new internet financial system and money velocity and ultimately how we think about kind of macro aggregates in terms of impact on economic activity as a whole. But that is a ways off.

Speaker #3: And that also, I think, reflects the growth in payment utility that we're seeing for these in emerging and developing markets in peer-to-peer transactions. So I think it's a mixture of things like that that we look at.

Speaker #3: And I think from a very long-term perspective, we certainly are interested in, you know, kind of the, the, the monetary theory that will go behind this new Internet financial system and money velocity and, and ultimately how we think about, kind of macro aggregates in, in, in terms of, you know, impact on economic, activity as a whole.

Speaker #3: But that's always off.

Speaker #6: That, that, that's helpful. And then, as my follow-up, I'm curious, you know, CPN's off seems to be off to a great start here, a ton of new partnerships that you've signed up, some marquee ones, in fact.

Ken Worthington: That's helpful. As my follow-up, I'm curious, CPN seems to be off to a great start here, a ton of new partnerships that you signed up, some marquee ones, in fact. Curious, what's the next milestone for CPN as you're looking for that network to grow? What is the interrelationship, I guess, that you envision between CPN and ARK in the future? Thank you.

Speaker #6: curious what's the next milestones for CPN as you're looking for that network to grow, and, and how, what is the, the, the interrelationship, I guess, between, that you envision between CPN and, and ARK, in the future?

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Sure, it's a great question. So, we're very happy with the initial launch of CPN. We launched it, as you know, just very recently.

Jeremy Allaire: Sure. It's a great question. We are very happy with the initial launch of CPN. We launched it, as you know, just very recently in what we consider to be the pilot phase. We have had a tremendous amount of demand from financial institutions that want to become members and want to participate on CPN. Really, the first phase has been about getting a few key high-priority corridors active on that. We have been able to bring four corridors: Hong Kong, Brazil, Nigeria, and Mexico on. As we look at the priorities for ourselves between now and the end of the year, let's just say we want to bring significantly more corridors on so that money flows can work seamlessly across major developed markets and more emerging and developing markets.

Speaker #3: In what we consider to be the pilot phase. We've had a tremendous amount of demand from financial institutions that want to become members and want to participate, on CPN.

Speaker #3: Really, the first phase has been about getting, you know, a, a few key high-priority corridors active on that. So we've been able to bring four corridors, Hong Kong, Brazil, Nigeria, Mexico, on.

Speaker #3: And as we look at the priorities for ourselves, between now and the end of the year, let's just say, you know, we want to bring significantly more corridors on so that, money flows, can, can work seamlessly, across major developed markets and more, emerging and developing markets.

Speaker #3: And so that's a big focus. And, and making sure that we can provide, sufficient liquidity across those corridors, so that, you know, people who want to move volume through this can.

Jeremy Allaire: That is a big focus and making sure that we can provide sufficient liquidity across those corridors so that people who want to move volume through this can. Really, activation of corridors is key. There are a lot of product features that we are developing in response to what the market has told us they need. One of the things that we found is that the number of institutions that want to onboard and become integrated and activate on the network sort of outstrips our capacity to bring them on. We are making self-service product dashboards, self-service tools for configuring the way flows work for these institutions. That is key, those key product investments. We hope to bring a significant number of new members on. Obviously, our ultimate ambition is that thousands of members will join CPN and participate in a wide array of payment flows.

Speaker #3: So really activation of corridors is key. There are a lot of product features that we are developing in response to what the market has told us they need.

Speaker #3: And so, you know, one of the things that we found is that, you know, the, the number of institutions that want to onboard and become integrated and activate on the network, you know, sort of outstrips our capacity, to, to bring them on.

Speaker #3: And so we're making, you know, self-service product dashboards, self-service, you know, tools for kind of configuring, the way flows work, for, for these institutions.

Speaker #3: And so, you know, that, that is key. Those key product investments and, and we hope to bring, you know, a significant number of, of new members on, and obviously our, our ultimate ambition is that thousands of, of, members will, will join CPN and, and participate in a wide array of payment flows.

Speaker #3: On the second follow-up question related to ARK, we do see ARK playing a very important role with CPN. You know, ARK is designed to be a purpose-built blockchain for stablecoin finance, for payments, FX, and capital markets.

Jeremy Allaire: On the second follow-up question related to ARK, we do see ARK playing a very important role with CPN. ARK is designed to be a purpose-built blockchain for stablecoin finance, for payments, FX, and capital markets. You will see in the light paper that was made available on our website just shortly ago that ARK itself will include a native FX engine and FX platform within it. ARK will include configurable privacy and opt-in confidential transfers, very important features for money flows between financial institutions. Then obviously, a straightforward security and gas fee model. All of those are attractive for what we are building for ARK. We certainly hope that many of the financial institutions that are implementing and integrating with ARK will use our CPN, excuse me, will use ARK network as a key backplane for their payments and financial applications.

Speaker #3: And, you, you will see in the light paper that was, made available, on our website just shortly ago, that ARK itself, will include a native, FX, engine and FX platform within it, ARK will include, configurable privacy, and, and opt-in confidential transfers, very important features for money flows between financial institutions.

Speaker #3: And then obviously, you know, a straightforward, kind of security and, and, and gas fee model. All of those are attractive for what we're building for ARK and, we certainly hope that many of the financial institutions that are implementing and integrating with ARK will use, our, our CPN, excuse me, will use ARK network as a, as a key kind of backplane for, you, you know, their, their payments and financial applications.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Ken Worthington: Thank you. Exciting stuff. Congratulations again.

Speaker #6: Exciting stuff. Congratulations again.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Ken Worthington with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Jeremy Allaire: Thank you.

Tiffany: Your next question comes from the line of Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker #7: Hi, good morning and thank you for taking my question. I wanted to follow up on payments, the payment opportunity seems to be developing quickly.

Ken Worthington: Hi, good morning, and thank you for taking my question. I wanted to follow up on payments. The payment opportunity seems to be developing quickly. You guys launched Circle Payments Network and Coinbase announced Shopify and the building on the Coinbase Commerce platform. To what extent are these networks complementary versus competing? Ultimately, is it important for Circle to be the dominant payment network, or is it better to be one of many networks as long as they're focused on utilizing USDC?

Speaker #7: you guys launched CPN, in Coinbase and now in Shopify. and the, the building on the Coinbase commerce platform. To what extent are these networks sort of complementary versus competing?

Speaker #7: And ultimately, is it important for Circle to be the dominant payment network? Or is it better to be, you know, sort of one of many networks as long as they're sort of focused on, in utilizing USDC?

Speaker #3: Thanks, Ken. It's a great question. there are a few pieces to this. So, you know, f-first and foremost, you know, USDC as a stablecoin network is a market-neutral infrastructure which many, many different types of companies are building on top of, whether those are capital markets firms, trading firms, exchanges, brokerage platforms, neobanks, traditional banks, payment service providers, there's a huge array of, of companies.

Jeremy Allaire: Thanks, Ken. It's a great question. There are a few pieces to this. First and foremost, USDC as a stablecoin network is a market-neutral infrastructure which many, many different types of companies are building on top of, whether those are capital markets firms, trading firms, exchanges, brokerage platforms, neobanks, traditional banks, payment service providers. There's a huge array of companies, networks themselves, like Visa and MasterCard, increasing their use of stablecoins and USDC specifically as well. We expect many different payment networks and many different capital markets exchanges and others to build on our stablecoin market infrastructure. We view that as very valuable in growing use cases, very valuable in growing distribution. It can be very valuable in growing the adoption of other technology protocols and services that we also monetize.

Speaker #3: networks themselves, like Visa and MasterCard, you know, increasing their use of stablecoins and USDC specifically, as well. So, we expect many different payment networks and many different capital markets, exchanges, and others to build on our stablecoin market infrastructure.

Speaker #3: We, we, we've, we view that as very valuable. in growing, use cases, very valuable in growing distribution. it can be very valuable in, in growing the adoption of other technology, protocols, and services that we also monetize.

Speaker #3: And so, broadly, you know, we've got a big tent mentality here and we want to see, a lot of success across many different types of companies.

Jeremy Allaire: Broadly, we've got a big tent mentality here, and we want to see a lot of success across many different types of companies. Secondly, when a Shopify launches USDC payment acceptance and they're using a product from Coinbase to do that, that's great. That's exactly what we want to see from our partners like Coinbase and others. We want to see people building and integrating USDC into commerce flows and into other types of applications. As Shopify merchants can accept USDC, that grows the utility of the stablecoin network. That means that digital wallets that are in the hands of the hundreds of millions of Binance users or the hundred million new bank users or users who use different digital wallet products all around the world that support USDC, that they now have something that they can do with that and transact with that.

Speaker #3: Now, I think secondly, when a, when a, a Shopify launches USDC, you know, payment acceptance and, and they're using a product from Coinbase to do that, that's great.

Speaker #3: That's exactly what we want to see from our partners like Coinbase and others. We want to see people building and integrating USDC into commerce flows and into other types of applications.

Speaker #3: And so, as, you know, Shopify, merchants, can accept USDC, that grows the utility of the stablecoin network. That means that digital wallets that are in the hands of the hundreds of millions of Binance users or the hundred million new bank users or users who use different digital wallet products all around the world, that support USDC, that they now have something that they can do with that.

Speaker #3: And transact with that. So that grows network value for Circle and it expands the utility and that's part of our competitive moat, is this expanding utility through developers that integrate this and deploy this, in, in different ways.

Jeremy Allaire: That grows network value for Circle, and it expands the utility. That's part of our competitive mode, is this expanding utility through developers that integrate this and deploy this in different ways. I would also say just as a comment, in general, we are seeing incredible demand and acceleration from firms in the payments industry, from firms that build infrastructure for supporting payments with a wide variety of companies. Just in recent weeks, we've announced partnerships with Fiserv, FIS, Corepay, Matera. These are firms that provide core infrastructure, including payment infrastructure, to tens of thousands of banks and financial institutions. They're integrating our technology. They're integrating USDC. That's really tremendous. I think it just represents that there are going to be many, many different networks and many, many different distribution points for how this comes into payments.

Speaker #3: I, I would also say just, as a, as a, as a kind of, comment, just in, in general, you know, we are seeing, incredible, demand and acceleration from firms in the payments industry, from firms that build infrastructure for supporting payments with a wide variety of companies, you know, just in recent weeks, we've announced, partnerships with, you know, Pfizer, FIS, Corpay, Matera, and these are firms that, provide core infrastructure including payment infrastructure to tens of thousands of banks and financial institutions, and they're integrating our technology.

Speaker #3: They're integrating USDC, and that's really tremendous. I think it just represents that there are going to be many different networks and many different distribution points for how this comes into payments.

Speaker #3: Obviously, CPN is a very important initiative from us and we want that to be, a very, very successful general-purpose on-chain payments network. we, we believe that, the model we're putting forward with CPN is going to be very attractive to financial institutions and, and ultimately to, to the customers that they serve.

Jeremy Allaire: Obviously, CPN is a very important initiative from us, and we want that to be a very, very successful general-purpose on-chain payments network. We believe that the model we're putting forward with CPN is going to be very attractive to financial institutions and ultimately to the customers that they serve.

Speaker #7: Okay. Amazing. Thank you. And then, the Circle IPO, obviously, a huge success here. you now have a really valuable currency. What are your thoughts on leveraging the value in your stock?

Ken Worthington: Okay, amazing. Thank you. The Circle Internet Group, Inc. IPO, obviously a huge success here. You now have a really valuable currency. What are your thoughts on leveraging the value in your stock to drive additional shareholder value through various means? Is there an opportunity?

Speaker #7: To drive additional shareholder value, through, you know, various means? Is there an opportunity here?

Speaker #3: Yeah. I, I, yeah. I, I can comment on that. I, I think, you know, you know, first and foremost, virtually everything that we do, you know, has overwhelmingly been the result of organic product development.

Jeremy Allaire: Yeah, I can comment on that. I think, you know, first and foremost, virtually everything that we do has overwhelmingly been the result of organic product development. We are a technology company. We are a software-driven technology company, and we like to build. We like to innovate. But we certainly, from time to time, find teams, find intellectual property, find complementary technology that we do want to add to the portfolio. And in fact, this morning, alongside the announcement of ARK, we announced a small acquisition of both a team and intellectual property that is very important intellectual property in this next generation of stablecoin finance blockchains. So that is an example where we have done that. And earlier this year, we acquired another firm that had a team and core intellectual property around privacy and confidentiality in blockchains.

Speaker #3: We are a technology company. We're a software-driven technology company and we, we, we like to build, we like to innovate. but we certainly, from time to time, find teams, find intellectual property, find complementary technology, that we, we do want to add to the portfolio and in fact, this morning, alongside, the announcement of ARK, we announced a small acquisition of both a team and intellectual property that is very important intellectual property in this next generation of stablecoin finance blockchains.

Speaker #3: so that's an example where, where we, where we have done that. And, and, earlier this year, we, we act, we, acquired another firm that had, a team and core intellectual property around privacy and confidentiality in, in blockchains.

Speaker #3: And so we do see opportunities, to use our currency, to, to do M&A. and, but we're careful and deliberate and I, I don't think our strategy here is to go try and do big complex, you know, acquisitions, to, to kind of throw kind of additional business lines next to what we do.

Jeremy Allaire: So we do see opportunities to use our currency to do M&A. But we are careful and deliberate. I do not think our strategy here is to go try and do big, complex acquisitions to kind of throw additional business lines next to what we do. I think we take a kind of full stack integrated platform view of what we do. So we only want to do things that really fit clearly in that kind of product mandate. We have got a lot of organic development happening now, and we are excited to deliver on that.

Speaker #3: I think, we, we take a kind of full stack integrated platform view of what we do. And so, we, we want to, we only want to do things that really fit clearly, in that kind of product mandate.

Speaker #3: We've got a lot of, organic development happening now and, and we're excited to, to deliver on that.

Speaker #7: Great. Thank you so much.

Ken Worthington: Great. Thank you so much.

Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Owen Lau with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Tiffany: Your next question comes from the line of Owen Lau with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: Good morning and thank you for taking my question. So first of all, I congrats on the quarter and congrats on the successful IPO. for my question, could you please talk about the adoption of USDC in remittance?

Owen Lau: Good morning, and thank you for taking my question. First of all, congrats on the quarter and congrats on the successful IPO. For my question, could you please talk about the adoption of USDC in remittance? I know you have some partnerships with remittance companies, but some others are thinking about creating their own stablecoin as well. How do you gauge the adoption here? Is there any way you can quantify for us the penetration for USDC so far? Thanks a lot.

Speaker #8: I, I know you have some partnerships with, with remittance companies, but some other I think about creating their own stablecoin as well. How do you gauge the adoption here?

Speaker #8: Is there any way you can quantify for us the penetration of USDC so far? Thanks a lot.

Speaker #3: Yeah, it's a great question. We certainly have continued to see demand in remittance. And, by the way, the remittance that we observe is both kind of family member-to-family-member or individuals, but there's a lot of B2B remittance, meaning companies that may have overseas operations and need to remit, you know, capital back to, say, the United States or Asia or Europe.

Jeremy Allaire: Yeah, it's a great question. We certainly have continued to see demand in remittance. By the way, remittance that we observe is both kind of family member to family member or kind of individuals. There's a lot of B2B remittance, meaning companies that may have overseas operations and need to remit capital back to, say, the United States or Asia or Europe, which is more like a treasury flow. Those kinds of cross-border flows we're seeing proliferate. We have more and more partnerships that are coming online in this use case. We obviously in the quarter had several prominent cross-border fintechs expanding what they're doing with USDC, Remitly, MoneyGram, ZEPS as well, all of whom have sizable franchises. CPN itself, the primary use case on it is remittances, both consumer to consumer and B2B. We're seeing that as the first major use case on Circle Payments Network as well.

Speaker #3: And so, which is more like a, you know, treasury flow. So, but, but those kinds of cross-border flows we're seeing proliferate. we have more and more partnerships, that are coming online, in this use case.

Speaker #3: We obviously in the quarter, had several prominent, cross-border fintechs, you know, expanding what they're doing with USDC, Remitly, MoneyGram, ZEPs, as well, all of whom have sizable franchises.

Speaker #3: And CPN itself, the primary use case on it is, remittances, both, both consumer-to-consumer and B2B. And so we're seeing that as the first major use case.

Speaker #3: on Circle payments network, as well. I would also say, there, there are indirect things that we look at. So, for example, kind of peer-to-peer flows, in different markets around the world, you know, we, we kind of try and monitor those peer-to-peer flows through various, various websites that, that provide data on that.

Jeremy Allaire: I would also say there are indirect things that we look at. For example, kind of peer-to-peer flows in different markets around the world. We kind of try and monitor those peer-to-peer flows through various websites that provide data on that. We've grown our presence in those peer-to-peer flows fairly considerably over the last year. In terms of the general question of other stablecoins, I mean, I think the key thing to understand is that what makes a stablecoin network good for remittance is the liquidity of that stablecoin all around the world. What we've been able to do, both through primary and secondary liquidity, is create a tremendous liquidity network. What does that mean? That means that if I have USDC and I send it to a person in Brazil, it's fast and cheap to get that into a Brazilian bank account in Rei.

Speaker #3: And we've grown, you know, we've grown our presence in those peer-to-peer flows, fairly considerably over the last year. In terms of the general question of, of other stablecoins, I mean, I think the key thing to understand is that what makes a stablecoin network good for remittance is the liquidity of that stablecoin all around the world.

Speaker #3: And so what we've been able to do, both through primary and secondary liquidity, is, is create, a tremendous liquidity network. And what does that mean?

Speaker #3: That means that if I have USDC, and I send it to a person in Brazil, it's fast and cheap to get that into a Brazilian bank account in Rei.

Speaker #3: and all around the world, there are these on-and-off ramp companies that support USDC. So we've built the liquidity network, which eases the way in which people can, seamlessly, move value and move value in and out of different currencies, es, e-money systems, and banking systems.

Jeremy Allaire: All around the world, there are these on- and off-ramp companies that support USDC. We've built the liquidity network, which eases the way in which people can seamlessly move value and move value in and out of different currencies, e-money systems, and banking systems. That liquidity network, which has been many, many years of work with regional banks, global banks, payment service providers, and others, is really something that is very, very difficult to replicate. Just having a coin doesn't actually really solve a problem in terms of the ultimate delivery of money and the settlement of money and the liquidity of that against all of these different parts of the global financial system.

Speaker #3: And so that liquidity network, which has been many, many years of work with regional banks, global banks, payment service providers, and others, is really, you know, something that is, is very, very difficult to replicate.

Speaker #3: And so just having a coin doesn't actually really solve a problem in terms of the ultimate, you know, delivery of, of, of, of money and the settlement of money and the liquidity of that, against all of these different parts of the global financial system.

Speaker #8: Got it. That's very helpful. And as my follow-up, could you please add more color on your partnership with OKX, which is a very large exchange in Asia as well, what is the economic arrangement look like, and how does this deal different from other deals such as Binance and Coinbase?

Owen Lau: Got it. That's very helpful. As my follow-up, could you please add more color on your partnership with OKX, which is a very large exchange in Asia as well? What does the economic arrangement look like? How does this deal differ from other deals such as Binance and Coinbase? Thanks a lot.

Speaker #8: Thanks a lot.

Speaker #3: Sure. So, the first thing I'd say is, you know, digital asset markets are a critical market for us. They continue to grow; they're very sizable.

Jeremy Allaire: Sure. The first thing I'd say is digital asset markets are a critical market for us. They continue to grow. They're very sizable. There are many companies, both regional companies and global companies, that are critical there. We have been growing our participation in those markets fairly materially. Our share of spot market volume on the major exchanges grew tenfold since the beginning of 2024. We're really focused on that. I think as compliance and regulatory integration and having trustworthy, safe stablecoins becomes more important, we're finding more opportunities to partner with the biggest exchanges. Coinbase had a head start. They were the first big exchange to really bet on USDC, and that's been great for them. Obviously, we established a partnership with Binance. We've expanded that partnership with Binance, and they're the largest exchange in the world.

Speaker #3: There are many companies, both regional companies and global companies, that are, that are critical there. We have been growing our participation in those markets, fairly materially.

Speaker #3: You know, our share, of, of, spot market volume on the major exchanges, grew, tenfold, over the last, over the last, since the beginning of, of '24.

Speaker #3: and so we're, we're really focused on that. And, and I think as, you know, kind of compliance and, you know, re-regulatory integration and, having, you know, trustworthy, safe, you know, stablecoins becomes more important, we're finding more opportunities to partner with the biggest exchanges.

Speaker #3: Now, Coinbase had a head start. They were the first big exchange to really bet on USDC and, and that's been great for them. Obviously, we, we, we established a partnership with Binance.

Speaker #3: We've expanded that partnership with Binance and they're the largest exchange in the world. And with OKX, getting back to your question, you know, we're, we're very excited about the expansion of our relationship with OKX.

Jeremy Allaire: With OKX, getting back to your question, we're very excited about the expansion of our relationship with OKX. We don't disclose the material or commercial terms of the specific transaction, but what we've characterized is that they're adopting Circle Wallet technology, and we're offering them integration into our core Circle Mint infrastructure so that they can provide the institutions that are coming to their platform with the best possible liquidity experience with USDC. They have 60 million users. This is going to help promote USDC to those 60 million users, growing again the value and reach of our network and the utility of USDC. We hope to do a lot more with OKX as they also become a much more regulated player, regulated in Europe. They obviously have publicly talked about their launch in the United States.

Speaker #3: we don't disclose the material or commercial terms of, of the specific transaction, but what, what we've characterized is that, you know, their adopting Circle wallet technology and, and, and we're into, we're offering them, integration into our, core Circle Mint, infrastructure so that they can provide the institutions that are coming to their platform with the best possible, liquidity experience with, with USDC.

Speaker #3: And so, they have 60 million users; this is going to help promote, USDC to those 60 million users growing, again, the value and reach of our network and the utility of USDC.

Speaker #3: And, and we hope to do, you know, a lot more with, with, with OKX, as, as they also become a much more regulated player, regulated in Europe, their, their, obviously have publicly talked about, their, their, you know, launch in the United States.

Speaker #3: And so, it's a, a very solid firm with a global franchise and, and, an important expansion of our strategy in digital asset markets.

Jeremy Allaire: It's a very solid firm with a global franchise and an important expansion of our strategy in digital asset markets.

Speaker #8: Thanks a lot.

Owen Lau: Thanks a lot.

Speaker #1: Your Your next question comes from the line of John Todero with Needham. Please go ahead.

Tiffany: Your next question comes from the line of John Todero with Needham. Please go ahead.

Speaker #9: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on a, a great quarter and the rollout of ARK. first question related to ARK. You know, how distributed is the goal for ARK from kind of a node operator, validator standpoint?

Ken Worthington: Hey guys, thanks for taking my question and congrats on a great quarter and the rollout of ARK. First question related to ARK, how distributed is the goal for ARK from a node operator validator standpoint? How do you ensure gas fees remain low? Then I have a follow-up question.

Speaker #9: How do you ensure gas fees remain low? And then I have a follow-up question.

Speaker #3: Sure. Absolutely. a co a couple of things. So o-one is I would highly encourage you to read the light paper, which was made, available this morning.

Jeremy Allaire: Sure, absolutely. A couple of things. One is I would highly encourage you to read the light paper, which was made available this morning. We talk a little bit about some of these issues there. There is a novel fee mechanism that we have designed for ARK, which will ensure predictable low costs for transactions, and obviously those transactions priced in USDC. I believe there will be subsequently significantly more information about the fee market mechanics as we go into public Testnet. But there is a novel approach that we are taking there. It is very important if you are a financial institution or a commerce firm that you have low and predictable fees and fees that you can pay in real digital cash. That is very important. In terms of distribution, I think we ultimately aspire that ARK is operated by a fairly large distributed network of professional validators.

Speaker #3: and, and we talk a little bit about some of these issues there. So, there is a, a novel, fee, mechanism that we, have designed for ARK, which will ensure predictable low costs for transactions and obviously those transactions priced in USDC.

Speaker #3: I believe there'll be subsequently significantly more information about the fee market, mechanics, as we, as we go into, you know, kind of public testnet.

Speaker #3: but there's a, a novel approach that we're taking there. it's very important if you're a financial institution or a commerce firm that you have low and predictable fees.

Speaker #3: and fees that you can pay in real digital cash. and so that's, you know, that's very important. And then in terms of distribution, I, I think we ultimately aspire that, you know, ARK, is, is, is operated by a, a fairly, large distributed network of professional validators.

Speaker #3: we are very focused on, you know, vetted professional validators that can meet the operational, security, and compliance, expectations for people running this critical infrastructure.

Jeremy Allaire: We are very focused on vetted professional validators that can meet the operational security and compliance expectations for people running this critical infrastructure. We want that to be highly geographically distributed. We want that to be distributed across major institutions as well. I think we ultimately believe that this is a tremendous opportunity for financial market utilities, for financial institutions, for large existing major firms in validator infrastructure. We have a whole vision and go-to-market that we are thinking about there. Again, we are in the early stages of standing this up, but I think the light paper touches on this issue as well in terms of how we are thinking about that evolution.

Speaker #3: We want that to be highly geographically distributed. we want that to be distributed across major institutions as well. And so, I think, you know, we, we ultimately, you know, believe that this is a tremendous opportunity for financial market utilities, for financial institutions, for large, you know, existing major firms in, validator infrastructure, and so we, we, we have a, a whole vision and, and, and go-to-market that we're thinking about there.

Speaker #3: and again, you know, we're, we're in the early stages of standing this up, but that, I think the light paper touches on, on this issue as well in terms of how we're thinking about that evolution.

Speaker #8: Great. Thanks for that, Jeremy. and then just, as it relates to Genius, so if you look into it, so some of the tether is circulating supply growth seems to have kind of done this leveling off since July 27th.

Ken Worthington: Great, thanks for that, Jeremy. As it relates to Genius, if you look into some of the Tether circulating supply growth, it seems to have kind of done this leveling off since July 27. USDC has continued to have growth since then. When you talked earlier about seeing some of the momentum or effects from Genius Act, is that sort of what you're hinting at? Do you think that's a result of Genius or not really seeing the effects yet from that standpoint?

Speaker #8: USDC, has continued to have growth since then. When you talked earlier about seeing some of that momentum or effects from Genius Act, it, it was that sort of what you're, you're hinting at?

Speaker #8: Do you think that's a result of genius, or are we not really seeing the effects yet from that standpoint?

Speaker #3: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's hard to specifically correlate the kind of the, the, the rapid, acceleration in USDC growth over the, over the past, you know, month and a half or so.

Jeremy Allaire: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to specifically correlate the kind of rapid acceleration in USDC growth over the past month and a half or so with a specific legislative outcome. I think one could broadly say awareness of USDC is growing around the world. Awareness of USDC as a product that is sort of purpose-built for what the Genius Act represents is interesting. Whether that's affecting user preference, it's very, very hard to know. My comment, I think, that you're referring to is much more around commercial engagement. Since the Circle Internet Group IPO and since the final passage of Genius Act into law, we have seen just an incredible amount of inbound interest from financial institutions across every sector of the financial industry, from major technology companies, from large enterprises. We're seeing that interest coming into us from all around the world in all the geographies that we're in.

Speaker #3: with a specific legislative outcome, you know, you know, I think one, one could broadly say awareness of USDC is growing around the world, awareness of USDC as a product that is sort of purpose-built for what the Genius Act represents.

Speaker #3: is, you know, i-is, is interesting and, and whether that's affecting user preference, it's very, very hard to know. But my, my comment, I think that you're referring to is, is much more around commercial engagement.

Speaker #3: You know, since the Circle IPO, and since the, the final, passage of, of Genius Act into law, we have seen, just an incredible amount of inbound interest from financial institutions across every sector of the financial industry, from major technology companies, from large enterprises, and we're seeing that interest coming into us from all around the world, in all the geographies that we're in.

Speaker #3: And so, I think this has been a catalytic moment for mainstream institutions to say, "Okay, now I can play. Now I can build. Now I can work with this technology.

Jeremy Allaire: I think this has been a catalytic moment for mainstream institutions to say, okay, now I can play. Now I can build. Now I can work with this technology. There's obviously also been regulatory relief in the United States for financial institutions to engage in the space. That's obviously been additive as well. We're just seeing the kind of commercial opportunity set that's coming in for us right now growing considerably, which is really exciting. I think that this is very much something that we talked about while we were going through our IPO and engaging with the market, which is that we believed that Genius Act would be an important catalytic moment and a tailwind to adoption of what we're doing.

Speaker #3: There's obviously also been regulatory relief in the United States, for financial institutions to engage in the space." And that's obviously been additive as well.

Speaker #3: And so, we're just seeing the kind of commercial opportunity set that's coming in for us right now, growing considerably. which is really exciting. And I think that this is very much something that we, we talked about, w-while we were going through our IPO and, and engaging with the market, which is that we believed that Genius Act would be an important, catalytic moment, and a tailwind to, adoption of, of what we're doing.

Speaker #3: And now we got to kind of grab those opportunities and make sure we're building the right products and services for these partners and, and, and critically make sure we can put together win-win economic relationships where, these customers can deliver value for their customers, they can grow economically, we can grow economically, and that's very much, you know, our fundamental philosophy as, as we partner with firms around the world.

Jeremy Allaire: Now we got to kind of grab those opportunities and make sure we're building the right products and services for these partners and critically make sure we can put together win-win economic relationships where these customers can deliver value for their customers. They can grow economically. We can grow economically. That's very much our fundamental philosophy as we partner with firms around the world.

Speaker #3: I, I just add on to that. Genius is clearly been a, a major catalytic event from that interest from major financial institutions across every segment of financial activity.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: would just add on to that. Genius has clearly been a major catalytic event from that interest from major financial institutions across every segment of financial activity. I would make one sort of cautionary note, though. While absolutely necessary for this accelerating growth in USDC and in the internet financial system, financial services companies, particularly the largest ones, integrating with new technologies and rolling that out to their customers typically takes time. What is tremendous about where we sit is they are exploring deep integrations with us, which leads to stickiness over time. But at the same time, the speed of their rollout will be dependent upon them and their own abilities internally to make progress.

Speaker #3: I'd, I'd make one sort of cautionary note though, while absolutely necessary for this accelerating growth in, in, in USDC and in the internet financial system, financial services companies, particularly the largest ones integrating with new technologies and rolling that out to their customers, typically takes time.

Speaker #3: And what's tremendous about where we sit is they're exploring deep integrations with us, which leads to stickiness over time, but at the same time, the speed of their rollout will be dependent upon them and their own, abilities internally to make progress.

Speaker #3: That's exactly right. Yeah.

Jeremy Allaire: That's exactly right.

Speaker #8: Great. Thank you for taking my question and congrats again.

Ken Worthington: Great. Thank you for taking my question and congrats again.

Speaker #3: Thank you.

Jeremy Allaire: Thank you.

Speaker #1: Your next question, your next question comes from the line of Jeff Cantwell with Seaport Research. Please go ahead.

Tiffany: Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Cantwell with Seaport Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker #10: Hey, thanks. first of all, congrats on the IPO. Also on the passage of Genius Act, Jeremy. Was being signed, I was thinking that for you and, and many others involved in the crypto industry.

Owen Lau: Hey, thanks. First of all, congrats on the IPO. On the topic of the Genius Act, Jeremy Allaire was being signed. I was thinking that for you and many others involved in the crypto industry, there probably was a long journey getting to that point. I wanted to say congrats to you and to everybody who helped make that happen. Can you maybe talk about what you've seen? I just want to follow up on the previous question. Post the Genius Act's passing, it looks like your USDC in circulation was $61 billion in Q2. Now in August, it's $65 billion. It does sound like you're seeing an increase in demand. I was hoping you can maybe give us a little color as to what you're seeing since the Genius Act was passed just a few weeks ago. Is it more domestic or international or both?

Speaker #10: There probably was a long journey getting to that point, so I wanted to say congrats to you and to everybody who helped make that happen.

Speaker #10: can you maybe talk about what you've seen? I just want to follow up on the previous question. Post the Genius Act's passing, it, it looks like your USDC in circulation was $61 billion in Q2, now in August it's $65 billion.

Speaker #10: So it does sound like you're seeing an increase in demand, and I was hoping you could maybe give us a little color as to what you're seeing since the Genius Act was passed just a few weeks ago.

Speaker #10: Is it more domestic or international or both? Can you just talk more about that? And then also wanted to ask, how are you thinking about the growth in USDC from here?

Owen Lau: Can you just talk more about that? I also wanted to ask, how are you thinking about the growth in USDC from here? You're talking about a 40% CAGR. How would you describe where you expect to see that growth come from? Would you mind just bucketing what are the incremental opportunities for USDC as you think ahead? That'd be great. Thanks.

Speaker #10: You're talking about a 40% CAGR, so how would you describe where you expect to see that growth come from? When you might just bucketing, what are the incremental opportunities for USDC as you think ahead?

Speaker #10: That'd be great. Thanks.

Speaker #3: Sure. I-I'll take part of that and, and I'll have Jeremy Foxstein, you know, take part of that as well. So, you know, I mean, the, the, the post-Genius demand, again, as we just talked about, I, I, I'm mostly characterizing that around institutional interest in, in building on our stablecoin network.

Jeremy Allaire: Sure. I will take part of that, and I will have Jeremy Fox-Geen take part of that as well. I mean, the post-genius demand, again, as we just talked about, I am mostly characterizing that around institutional interest in building on our stablecoin network, institutional interest in working with Circle Internet Group, which, as Jeremy Fox-Geen just noted, these institutions and putting together relationships, implementing product, getting those products out and scaling will take time. I think the more recent growth, as I see it, reflects a kind of green light go view within the global environment to utilize stablecoins. That has certainly been fostered by the increasing activity in digital asset markets. But I think it is broadly a kind of signal to the market that this is now a form of digital cash-like instrument that can be utilized. It is going to be interesting to see.

Speaker #3: Institutional interest in working with Circle, which as Jeremy Foxstein just noted, you know, these institutions and, and putting together relationships, implementing product, getting those products out and scaling will take time.

Speaker #3: I think the, the more recent, growth as, as I see it, reflects, you know, a kind of, green light go view within the, the global environment to utilize stablecoins.

Speaker #3: that is certainly, you know, been fostered by the increasing activity in digital asset markets, but I think it's, you know, broadly a kind of, a signal to the market that, this is now a, a, a, a form of digital cash-like instrument that can be utilized.

Speaker #3: And so, it's, it's going to be interesting to see and I know that ties into your other question, about growth. Obviously, with recent acceleration, you know, w-we've, we've grown, you know, 90% year over year and 49% year to date.

Jeremy Allaire: I know that ties into your other question about growth. Obviously, with recent acceleration, we have grown 90% year over year and 49% year to date. But in terms of how to think about that going forward, I know Jeremy Fox-Geen, you have some thoughts on that and just our general philosophy around how to think about that because it is not a straightforward thing to guide on, hence the approach that we take.

Speaker #3: but in terms of how to think about that going forward, I know Jeremy Foxstein, you have, you have some thoughts, o-on that and, and just our, our general philosophy around how to think about that because, you know, it, it, it, it, it is not a straightforward thing to, to guide on.

Speaker #3: Hence, the approach that we take. Thank you, Jeremy. I'll talk a bit about how we view you; you referenced the 40% number we put out, and how we view that.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Thank you, Jeremy. I will talk a bit about how we view, you referenced the 40% number we put out, how we view that. As I said in my remarks, the growth in USDC in circulation in many ways is the output of an entire economy. The digital asset markets were the bootstrap use case for stablecoins and represent the largest part of that economy today. As I think we have been talking about on this call, we are seeing accelerating interest and growing adoption from every major financial services vertical for whom these new money technologies can bring tremendous advantages. This is very early days. We are right at the beginning of building the internet financial system. There is a multi-year, if not multi-decade growth for these new technologies within financial services.

Speaker #3: As I said in my remarks, the growth in USDC in circulation, in many ways, is the output of an entire economy. The digital asset markets were the bootstrap use case for stablecoins and represent the largest part of that economy today. But, as I think we've been talking about on this call, we are seeing accelerating interest and growing adoption from every major financial services vertical for whom these new money technologies can bring tremendous advantages.

Speaker #3: This is very early days. We are right at the beginning of building the internet financial system. And, you know, there's a multi-year, if not multi-decade growth for these new technologies within financial services.

Speaker #3: Specifically as to guidance, there is a growing number of third-party research firms, financial industry analysts who are publishing research on stablecoin growth. And they all see not just the promise that I touched on, but multi-year CAGRs and those growth rates range from kind of 25% CAGR at the low end up to 90% plus CAGR at the high end with, from our reading, the best current median at around a 60% CAGR.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Specifically as to guidance, there is a growing number of third-party research firms, financial industry analysts who are publishing research on stablecoin growth. They all see not just the promise that I touched on, but multi-year CAGRs. Those growth rates range from 25% CAGR at the low end up to 90% plus CAGR at the high end, with, from our reading, the best current median at around a 60% CAGR. We believe in the benefits of these new technologies very, very strongly. When it comes to guidance, our core model, and we run a range of scenarios to enable us to manage the business in an uncertain environment, but our core model suggests a 40% CAGR. If we can deliver that in terms of USDC growth, we believe that will deliver a compelling financial return for our investors.

Speaker #3: We believe in the benefits of these new technologies very, very strongly. When it comes to guidance, our core model, and we run a, a, a range of scenarios to enable us to manage the business in an uncertain environment, but our core model suggests a 40% CAGR and if we can deliver that in terms of USDC growth, we believe that will deliver a compelling financial return, for our investors.

Speaker #10: Got it. Okay, great. And maybe as a follow-up, one other frequent question we've been asked for clarification on about your company post the IPO is, where is the on-chain transaction volume coming from?

Owen Lau: Got it. Okay, great. And maybe as a follow-up, one of the frequent questions we have been asked for clarification on about your company post the IPO is where is the on-chain transaction volume coming from? Can you walk through that in more detail? You just reported $5.9 trillion on chain. So maybe can you discuss the use cases, maybe even geographically where the transactions are coming from? I think a lot of the interest is because public investors are still trying to get a better feel for the world of crypto, whereas the world of fiat still is much more familiar for the obvious reason here in the U.S. So maybe can you talk to us about where the $5.9 trillion is being generated? That would be very helpful. Thanks.

Speaker #10: Can you walk through that in more detail? You just reported, 5.9 trillion in on-chain. So maybe you can you discuss the use cases, maybe even geographically where the transactions are coming from.

Speaker #10: I think a lot of the interest is because public investors are still trying to get a better feel for the world of crypto, whereas the world of fiat is still much more familiar for the obvious reason here in the U.S.

Speaker #10: So maybe can you talk to us about where the 5.9 trillion is being generated? That would be very helpful. Thanks.

Speaker #3: I, I can touch on that. a-and, and I think as you, as you know, you know, public blockchain data does not include you know geographic, IP addresses or, or, or things like that.

Jeremy Allaire: I can touch on that. As you know, public blockchain data does not include geographic IP addresses or things like that. There are very good heuristics to look at this. In fact, I think there are some excellent third-party research firms that do focused research on blockchain data, blockchain analytics. We look at that and look at other data sources. What I can certainly say is it is highly distributed geographically. There is an enormous amount of traffic in USDC that is around the world, Europe, Asia.

Speaker #3: but there are, you know, very good heuristics to, to look at this and, and in fact, I, I think there's some excellent, you know, third-party, research firms that do, you know, focused research on blockchain data, blockchain analytics, and, and we, we look at that and, and look at other data sources.

Speaker #3: What I can certainly say is, it's highly distributed geographically. the, the, you know, there's a, a, a, an enormous amount of traffic, in USDC that is, around the world, Europe, Asia, emerging and developing markets, Latin America, Middle East, Africa, Southeast Asia.

Tiffany: emerging and developing markets, Latin America, Middle East, Africa, Southeast Asia. So it is very geographically distributed. While the U.S. is important, it is not the majority. We see that geographic distribution in the data that we are able to look at. Obviously, we can identify activity that is specifically USDC that is moving between exchanges or super wallets and things like that. Oftentimes, we will correlate that to investing activity, savings activity, but also for payments activity. We know, for example, that peer-to-peer payments in emerging and developing markets using stablecoins are a significant use case.

Speaker #3: So it is very geographically distributed. And while the US is important, it is, it is not the majority, and so we, we, we see that geographic distribution in the data that we're able to look at.

Speaker #3: and, and obviously, we can identify, activity that is, you know, specifically, you know, USDC that's moving between, you know, exchanges or super wallets, and things like that.

Speaker #3: And, and oftentimes we'll correlate that to investing activity, savings activity, but also for payments activity. we, we know, for example, that, you know, peer-to-peer payments, in, in, emerging and developing markets using stablecoins, are a significant use case.

Tiffany: Most of those peer-to-peer payments are intermediated by the big wallets that are attached to these big, what I think of as financial super apps, like the Coinbase products or the Binance products, where people in those markets are using them not just for trading and investing. They are using them for savings to earn yields and for P2P payments as well. Once USDC gets into one of those big platforms, we cannot track inside of there exactly all the flows and what people are doing. Those are some comments that I can give. I do not know if you want to add anything, Jeremy.

John Andrews: Yeah, I would add on a little onto that just to give kind of a top-down conceptual understanding of what this even means. In today's world, every money movement use case, so think kind of consumer payments through credit card networks, remittances, international kind of money transfers via SWIFT. Every single use case effectively has a different technology delivery stack. With the internet, we are seeing the emergence of the first ever general purpose architecture for money movement. On-chain transactions include money movement across all financial services use cases, which is almost a radical difference, certainly a tremendous difference to the existing system. So what does that mean? When we think about those use cases, just as examples, Visa moves somewhat north of $10 trillion a year through its consumer-to-business and business-to-business rails. That is one number that is off-sited.

John Andrews: But let us not forget JP Morgan, as an example, moves somewhat north of $10 trillion a day in gross money movement and gross money settlement, as well as other use cases. All of that is intermingled in on-chain transactions for stablecoins. So it is, as Jeremy Allaire said, it is difficult to disaggregate all of those different money uses. But we should not forget that all of those money uses cases are represented in these numbers.

Financial services use cases, which is a, a almost a radical difference. Certainly a tremendous difference to the existing system. So what does that mean when we think about those use cases, just as examples, Visa moves, somewhat north of 10 trillion dollars a year through its consumer business and business to business rails. And that's 1 number, that's off-site it. But let's not forget JP Morgan as an example moves somewhat north of 10 trillion dollars a day in Gross money movement in Gross money settlement, as well as other use cases. And so, all of that is intermingled in on-chain transactions, for stable coins. And so, it's a, as Jeremy said, it's, it's difficult to

Disaggregate all of those different money users, but we should not forget that all of those money. Use of cases are represented in these numbers.

Jeremy Allaire: Perfect. Great. Thanks again, Ed.

Perfect, great. Thanks again and

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Your next question comes from the line of James Yarrow with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Jeremy Allaire: Good morning, and thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to ask firstly on the outlook for non-dollar stablecoins and the necessity for growth of these, in your view, to facilitate stablecoin cross-border payments and thus CPN. Then perhaps just how you can, I guess, to what degree you plan to facilitate that with EURC.

Your next question comes from the line of James yero with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Uh, good morning, and thanks for taking the question. Um, I just wanted to ask, uh, firstly on the outlook for non-dollar stable coins and the, the safety, uh, for growth of these in your view, uh, to facilitate stable coin, cross, border payments and and thus, uh, CPN. And then perhaps just, uh, you know, how you uh, can, I guess to, what degree you, you plan to facilitate that with, uh, e rc

Tiffany: Thanks, James. It is a good question. Over the long run, we are very optimistic that virtually every major country in the world will have a good stablecoin policy regime, and that we will see proliferation in high-quality regulated payment stablecoins. We believe Genius Act is actually driving that. We are seeing that with legislators and governments around the world who are now really racing to get their stablecoin policies in place. We do expect that proliferation. We want to work with these non-dollar stablecoins. We obviously issue EURC, and that has done well. We want to work with these non-dollar stablecoins because on-chain money is more effective and efficient money. It is programmable money. From a cross-border perspective, if you can have a 24/7, 365 continuously settled, atomically swappable PVP exchange, that is a very powerful building block.

Thanks James. It's a good question. So, you know, over the long run. We are very optimistic that uh, virtually every major uh uh, country in the world will have a good stable coin policy, regime. And that we'll see, you know, proliferation in high-quality regulated, payment, stable coins. You know, we we believe genius Act is, is actually driving that we're seeing that with legislators, uh, uh, and and governments around the world who are now really racing to get their stable coin policies in place. And so we do expect that proliferation. Um we we want to work with these uh non-dollar stable coins. We obviously,

Tiffany: It is one of the reasons why we are building such an engine into our own core blockchain network, ARK, is that we want to see that mature because we think that as a, again, a programmable building block for commerce, trade, and various types of capital markets activity, that is going to be really important. Short of that all maturing, and we do believe it will mature, it is not necessarily an impediment to growing use of stablecoins in cross-border settlement. CPN itself really, from the start, the kind of FX model is designed to connect stablecoins to local currency liquidity and local electronic money rails. A person sending money from Portugal to a person in Brazil, they might have EURC or USDC sitting on one side of that transaction.

Tiffany: On the other side, there are essentially takers of that, what we call our BFIs, who have liquidity of USDC against local Brazilian real. They can effectively price against existing kind of prices in the market, or they are competing on price. Then they can effectively use the immediate credit of the USDC to then initiate that near real-time payment on the ultimate bank transfer money. There are ways to do that. There are also ways to have the on-chain FX market basically be an on-chain FX market where the market and the pricing is all completed, but where the fulfillment on the currency side is kind of post-trade. That is also a structure that we expect to see develop more as well. Long term, we are very much encouraging of and want to see more and more what we call the local partner stablecoins.

Very powerful building block and it's 1 of the reasons why we are building such an engine into our own, uh, core blockchain. Uh, Network Arc, is that, we, we want to see that mature because we think that as a, again, a programmable building block for a Commerce uh uh trade and and various types of capital markets activity, that's going to be really important. Now, uh, short of that all maturing, and we do believe, it will mature. Um, it is not necessarily an impediment to Growing use of stable coins in cross border settlement and CPN itself really. Uh, from the start, um, the kind of FX model is designed to connect stable coins to local currency, liquidity and local electronic money rails. And so a, you know a a a person you know sending you know money from you know Portugal to a uh a person in Brazil they might have EU RC or usdc uh sitting on 1 side of that transaction.

And on the other side, there are, you know, essentially takers, uh, uh, uh, of of, of that, that what we call our bfis, who have liquidity of usdc against, uh, local, uh, Brazilian real. And they can, uh, effectively, you know, price against uh, existing, uh, uh, you know, kind of prices in the market, or their competing on price, and then they can, uh, effectively use the immediate credit of the usdc to then, uh, initiate.

Tiffany: We want to see them issue on the ARK blockchain. We want to support them on CPN. We want to support them in Circle Mint and in our wallets. We want to be very multi-stablecoin in what we do. We believe that is part of building the internet financial system.

That, uh, near real time, uh, payment on, on the ultimate, um, you know, Bank transferred money. And so, there are ways to do that and there are also ways to have, uh, the on-chain, uh, FX Market. Uh, you know, basically be an on-chain fx Market where the market and the pricing is all completed. Uh, but where the, uh, the Fulfillment, uh, on the currency side is is kind of post trade. Uh, and so that's also a structure that we expect to see develop more as well. But again, long term uh we're we're very much encouraging of and want to see more and more what we call. Uh, the local partner stable coins, we want to see them issue on the ark blockchain, we want to support them on CPN, we want to support them, you know, in in circle, mint and in our wallets and we want to we want to be very multistable coin in in what we do and we believe that's part of building the internet Financial system.

Jeremy Allaire: Very clear. On another topic, maybe you could just talk a little bit about the opportunity for Circle Gateway, and then perhaps how this differs or integrates with Circle CCTP.

Very clear. Um, on another topic, maybe you could just talk a little bit about the opportunity for Circle, Gateway, and then perhaps how this, I guess, differs or integrates with Circle CCTP.

Tiffany: Absolutely. Circle Gateway and Circle CCTP solve similar but somewhat different problems. CCTP is a protocol at a kind of low level. It is a low-level protocol that allows for cross-chain settlement of USDC across a multitude of different blockchains. It is used quite significantly in cross-chain USDC today. The last time I looked, I think it was well over 80% of cross-chain USDC was running through CCTP. We have a version two of that, which has continued to grow as well. That allows, that is kind of a more lower level in a sense. It does not solve kind of what we think of as like the user experience problem.

Yeah, absolutely. So, uh, circle, gateway and circle, uh, Circle cctp, um, uh, solve similar. Um, but somewhat different problems. So, cctp is a is a protocol at a, at a kind of low level. It's a low-level protocol, uh, that allows for, uh, cross-chain settlement of usdc across a a multitude of different blockchains. Um, it's it's used uh, you know, quite significantly in cross-chain usdc today. Uh, the last time I looked I think it was well over 80% of cross-chain usdc was was running through cctp um and um,

Tiffany: In a world of CCTP, what we find is that there are a lot of wallets, whether it is an institutional wallet or a consumer wallet, where you still end up in a world where you need to kind of know which chains do I have USDC on and which chains do I want to get the USDC to. The UX is a hurdle. Circle Gateway is really designed as an abstraction to eliminate that user experience hurdle. A user, again, this could be an institution or an individual, just sees a USDC balance. They say, I have 10,000 USDC, and they can essentially spend that balance in less than a second to any of the supported chains. You can kind of just say, hey, I have USDC. What kind of wallet do you have? Or give me a QR code or give me an address.

And and we have a version 2 of that, which is continued to grow as well. Um, so that allows that's a kind of a more lower level in a sense. Um and and it doesn't solve um kind of what what we think of as like the user experience problem uh in in the in a world of ccpp. You know what we find is that there are a lot of wallets uh whether it's an Institutional wallet, or a consumer wallet, where you still end up in a world where you need to kind of know like which chains do I have usdc on uh and which chains you know, do I want to get the usdc to? And so the ux is, is a, is a hurdle. And so the circle gateway is really designed as an abstraction to, uh, eliminate that user experience hurdle. So,

Tiffany: It can spend seamlessly to those. It really simplifies the UX. This is part of our goal of just kind of having the crypto disappear into the background and make this a more streamlined experience. Circle Gateway is a different architecture to accomplish that. It is something that we are really primarily bringing to market through developers who are going to integrate this into their products and services. Like CCTP version two, it also does include new opportunities for monetization for Circle. Simplified user experience is a feature. We want to monetize that and also just make these products better for people who are using them.

Jeremy Allaire: That's very clear. Thanks a lot.

And it's something that, you know, we're, we're really primarily bringing to Market through developers who are going to integrate this into their products and services and and uh, and and like, CCTV version 2. It also does include, uh, new opportunities for monetization, for Circle. And so, you know, simplified user experience is a feature. Uh, we want to monetize that and and also just make these products better for for people who are using them.

That's very clear. Thanks a lot.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Your next question comes from the line of Brian Bindell with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Your next question comes from.

Brian been.

Jeremy Allaire: Oh, great. Great. Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question and also congrats on the very successful IPO. Maybe just a big picture question on growing USDC over time within the industry and the desire to make this a winner take most and increase the scale and network effects of USDC. I guess, Jeremy, what is your appetite for partnering with more institutions? If that means higher distribution costs and lower reserve margins, is that something that you find appealing to grow USDC? Or do you really think about the reserve margin as something you want to keep in that mid-30s range at least?

Oh, great great, thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question, and also congrats on the very successful IPO. Um, maybe. Um, a big picture question on growing usdc over time within the industry and the desire, uh, to, you know, to make this a winner, take most and increase the scale and network effects of usdc. I mean, guess Jeremy, what's what's your appetite? Uh, for partnering with more Institutions. And if, uh, you know, if that means higher distributes distribution costs and lower Reserve margins, is that something uh, that you find um, you know, appealing to grow usdc or, or do you really think about the reserve margin is something you want to keep in that you know, mid-30s range at least

John Andrews: Yeah, I can take part of that. Maybe Jeremy Fox-Geen can take the other part of it. First of all, we have a very strong appetite for growing the partnerships that are going to grow our network. I would say it's helpful to remind folks that we have many, many different types of partnerships. A partnership with a digital wallet is completely different than a partnership with a merchant acquirer, which is completely different than a partnership with a large exchange that has hundreds of millions of users. There are many, many different types of partners that we work with. Each one of those partnerships has a unique deal format to it. We have a lot of different deal playbooks that we execute. I think it's simplistic to think that every deal has to do with giving away reserve income. That is not the case.

John Andrews: We focus on partnerships where each party is, A, focused on delivering value for their customers. How are they going to grow value for their customers through this partnership? B, that it's a win-win growth-oriented model. We want to build economic relationships that incentivize growth so that we're seeing that the partnership is actually having an impact on whether it be transaction velocity or market share shift or USDC growth itself. We really focus on these win-win growth-oriented relationships. It's not a carte blanche, here's a rate card, go do this kind of thing. We want to build. We want to build with people who want to build and grow with us. That's our filter for this. I think that that is working. I think Jeremy maybe can comment more on just how we think about that vis-à-vis our RLDC margin and the outlook there. Thank you, Jeremy.

Yeah, I can take part of that and, and maybe Jeremy stocks being can can take the other part of it. Um, you know, so, so first of all, we have a, a, a, a very strong appetite for growing, the Partnerships, uh, you know, that that are going to grow our Network. And I, I would say it, it's helpful to kind of remind folks that, you know, we have many, many different types of Partnerships, a partnership with a digital wallet, is completely different than a partnership with the merchant acquirer, which is completely different than a partnership with a, a large exchange that has hundreds of millions of users. Uh, so there there are many, many, many different types of Partners, um, that we work with and each 1 of those Partnerships, you know. Has a has a unique, you know, deal deal format to it. So we have we have a lot of different deal playbooks that we execute and I think uh it's it's sort of simplistic to think that every deal has to do with giving away. Uh Reserve income. That is not the case. Uh, we focus on Partnerships where each of each party.

Is a focused on delivering value for their customers. So how are they going to grow value for their customers through this partnership and B that it's a win-win growth oriented model? So we want to, we want to build economic relationships, that incentivize growth so that we're seeing that the partnership that's actually having an impact on whether it be transaction velocity, uh, or market share shift, or usdc growth itself.

John Andrews: I'll build on that and then get to the numbers piece of it. It's important to understand that the strength and breadth of our platform capabilities, combined with our position as market-neutral infrastructure, encourages more players and enables even fierce competitors to build on and integrate with our platform. Our partners then bring the benefits of these new money technologies to their customers, benefiting their customers, building their business, and growing USDC usage and adoption, which strengthens our network with more capabilities, more users, more distribution. This is a network business with network effects. Our position strengthens as the network strengthens. That is important context for our future outlook on RLDC margin. We are not guiding beyond 2025 at this time. However, I think of three factors that provide relative strength, tailwinds, if you like, relative strength to this margin over time.

So, we really we really focus on these, you know, win-win growth oriented relationships. It's not a card Blanche. Here's a rate card. Go go do this kind of thing. We want to build. We want to build with people who want to build and grow with us. And that's our filter for this and I think that that is working. Um, I think, um, Jeremy, maybe can comment more on, just sort of, you know, how we think about that Visa V are, uh, rldc margin and, and the Outlook there. Thank you, Jeremy. I'll I'll build on that and then get to the numbers piece of it. But it's important to understand that the strength and breadth.

Of our platform capabilities combined with our position as market-neutral infrastructure.

Um, this encourages more players and enables even fierce competitors to build on and integrate with our platform.

And so our partners then bring the benefits of these new money Technologies to their customers.

Benefiting their customers, building their business, and growing USDC usage and adoption strengthens our network, providing more capabilities, more users, and more distribution. This is a network business with network effects, and our position strengthens as the network strengthens.

John Andrews: The first would be the growing strength from network effects, which is what I was just talking about. We see that in our commercial discussions. We also know that, and this is important to remember, growth in USDC held within partner infrastructure, which may be subject to incentives, also leads to growth in USDC in the ecosystem more broadly, held outside of partner infrastructure. We see growing strength from network effects. That is the first point. The second, we see growth in USDC held within Circle's platform infrastructure. We have a broad-based feature-rich platform, as I just mentioned. Our position as market-neutral infrastructure only enables more people to build upon our platform over time. That is important. We have greater economic flexibility with USDC held within our platform infrastructure. Finally, we have growth in our high margin other revenues.

And that's important context for our future outlook on our LDC margin. We're not guiding Beyond 2025 at this time. However, I think of 3 factors that provide, uh, relative strength, Tailwind if you like relative strength to this margin over time, the first would be the growing strength from Network effects, which is what I was just talking about and we see that in our commercial discussions.

Infrastructure. So, we see growing strength from network effects. That's the first point. The second is we see growth in USDC held within Circle's platform infrastructure.

We have a broad-based feature-rich platform as I just mentioned and our position as Market neutral infrastructure. Only enables more people to build Upon Our platform over time

John Andrews: Predominantly today, we make money from the stock of money on the network. Over time, and through products we have already launched and started talking about, even as they are nascent today, we will be monetizing certain of the flows across that network infrastructure where we are able to add value-added services to the benefit of the users. We see this growth in other revenues over time. Those are very high margin revenues and provide strength to our overall margin over time. Those three things combined, we think, provide longer-term relative strength to our RLDC margin.

and that's important. And we have greater economic flexibility with usdc held within our platform infrastructure. And then finally, we have growth in in, in our high margin, other revenues right predominantly today.

We make money from the stock of money on the network.

Over time.

And through products, we've already launched and started talking about even as their nation today.

We will be monetizing certain of the flows across that Network infrastructure where we are able to add value added services to the benefit of the users. And so we see this growth in other revenues over time. And those are very high margin revenues and provide strength to our overall margin over time. So those 3 things combined, we think provide, um, longer term, uh, relative strength to our rldc margin

Jeremy Fox-Geen: That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to John Andrews for closing remarks.

That concludes our question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back over to John Andrews for closing remarks.

Jeremy Allaire: Great, Tiffany, thank you. Apologies for that couple of people who got stuck in the queue, but we are up against a hard time end here. We are happy to follow up with everybody. You know how to reach us through the investors website at Circle.com. Enjoy the rest of the day.

Great Tiffany, thank you and apologies for that. A couple people who got stuck in the queue but we we are up against a hard time end here. Uh, we are happy to follow up with everybody, uh you know, how to reach us through the investors website at circle.com and uh, enjoy the rest of the day.

Jeremy Fox-Geen: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

Ladies and gentlemen, goodbye please include today's call. Thank you all for joining you may now disconnect