Q2 2025 Knife River Corp Earnings Call
Nathan Ring: Thank you. And welcome to everyone joining us for the Knife River Corporation second quarter results conference call. My name is Nathan Ring, Chief Financial Officer of Knife River, and I'm joined by our President and Chief Executive Officer, Brian Gray. Today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements about future operational and financial expectations, after results may differ materially from those projected in today's forward-looking statements. For further detail, please refer to today's earnings release and the risk factors disclosed in our most recent filings with the SEC, which are available on our website and the SEC website. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update our forward-looking statements. During this presentation, we will make references to certain non-GAAP information. These non-GAAP measures are defined and reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP measure in today's earnings release and investor presentation.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Knife, River Corporation, second quarter results conference. Call at this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. And if at any time during this call, you require me to assistance, please press star zero for the operator. Also note that this call is being recorded on Tuesday, August 5th, 2025 and I would like to turn the conference over to Nathan ring CFO. Please go ahead.
Thank you, and welcome to everyone. Joining us for the Knife. River Corporation second quarter. Results conference call.
My name is Nathan ring Chief Financial Officer of Knife River. And I'm joined by our president and chief executive officer Brian Gray.
Today's discussion will contain four looking statements about future operational and financial expectations.
actual results May differ materially from those projected in today's forward-looking statements,
For further details, please refer to today's earnings release and the risk factors disclosed in our most recent filings with the SEC.
Which are available on our website and the SEC website.
Is required by law. We undertake no obligation to update our forward-looking statements,
During this presentation, we will make references to certain non-gaap information.
Nathan Ring: These materials are also available on our website. Brian will begin today's call with an overview of our second quarter 2025 results, followed by a segment recap and an update on our competitive edge plan. Following his remarks, I will provide a product line summary, a capital update, and a review of our 2025 financial guidance. At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, we will open the line for a question and answer session. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Brian.
These non-gaap measures are defined and reconciled to the most directly comparable gaap measure in today's earnings release and investor presentation.
These materials are also available on our website.
Brian will begin today's call with an overview of our second quarter 2025 results followed by a segment recap and an update on our Competitive Edge plan.
Following his remarks, I will provide a product line summary, a capital update and a review of our 2025 Financial guidance.
At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, we will open the line for a question and answer session.
Brian Gray: Thank you, Nathan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before I talk about our all-time record backlog and the progress we're making on our growth strategies, I want to address the slower start to the first half of 2025. Simply put, we had unfavorable weather throughout most of our footprint, and we had fewer projects to bid and build in Oregon. Let me start with weather, where we had a difficult time getting out in the field to begin working through our record backlog. Rain plagued our operations throughout the central segment and pockets of Montana and Wyoming. In key markets across those regions, it rained on nearly 40% of available workdays, impacting revenue, volumes, and gross profit. Not only did weather negatively affect our construction revenue and materials volumes, it also impacted our energy services operations as it reduced shipments of liquid asphalt.
With that, I'll now turn the call over to Brian.
Thank you, Nathan.
Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us.
Before I talk about, our all-time record backlog and the progress we're making on our growth strategies. I want to address the slower, start to the first half of 2025.
Simply put we had unfavorable weather throughout most of our footprint and we had fewer projects to bid and build in Oregon.
Let me start with whether where we had a difficult time, getting out in the field to begin working through our record backlog.
Rain plagued, our operations throughout the central segment in pockets of Montana and Wyoming.
Brian Gray: As we've discussed on previous earnings calls, we had favorable weather the past two construction seasons, but this year, it's causing substantial disruptions for our crews as they try to get to work. I'd like to pause for just a moment here and also recognize the tragic flooding that occurred in Texas over the Fourth of July weekend. Torrential rain overwhelmed rivers and claimed innocent lives. Our hearts go out to the families who are coping with that loss. I'd also like to thank first responders for their heroic actions. Thankfully, our Texas team members were all safe. They are actively repairing our Honey Creek Quarry operations where floodwaters washed out our access roads. In addition, the rail line servicing our quarry was damaged and is currently under reconstruction.
In key markets across those regions, it rained on nearly 40% of the available workdays impacting Revenue, volumes and gross profit. Not only did weather negatively affect our construction, revenue and materials volumes, it also impacted our Energy Services operations, as a reduced shipments of liquid asphalt.
As we've discussed on previous earnings calls. We had favorable weather, the past 2, construction Seasons, but this year, it's causing substantial disruptions for our crews as a try to get to work.
I'd like to pause for just a moment here and also recognize the tragic flooding, that occurred in Texas, over the 4th of July weekend.
Torrential rain overwhelmed, rivers and claimed innocent lives.
Brian Gray: Sales volumes will be down for the third quarter at Honey Creek as repairs are made, but we expect to see strong demand once we start selling materials there again. This impact has been included in our revised guidance. The other factors for our slower start to the year were project availability in Oregon. On both the public and private side, we continue to see work being delayed. Over the past few years, the state DOT has heavily invested in several major projects that are over budget. This has diverted funding from paving work we typically perform. The state legislature has been called into a special session later this month to address additional DOT funding, which we're watching closely. On the private side, macroeconomic factors, including uncertainty around tariffs and high interest rates, continue to affect Oregon's manufacturing and import-export industries, prolonging delays on private projects.
Our hearts go out to the families who are coping with Outlaws. I'd also like to thank First Responders for their heroic actions. Thankfully, our Texas team members were all safe. They are actively repairing. Our Honey Creek Quarry operations, where flood waters wash out our access roads. In addition, the rail line serving our Corey was damaged and is currently under reconstruction.
Sales volumes will be down for the third quarter at Honey Creek as repairs are made but we expect to see strong demand once we start selling materials there. Again, this impact has been included in our revised guidance.
The other factors for our slower start to the year were project availability in Oregon on both the public and private sides. We continue to see work being delayed.
Over the past few years, the state DOT has a heavily invested in several Mega projects that are over budget.
This is diverted funding from Paving work. We typically perform.
The state legislature has been called into special session. Later this month to address additional dot funding, which we are watching closely
Brian Gray: We continue to right-size our crews and equipment pool in Oregon and have been mobilizing our teams to where the work is as we manage through the current demand environment. To provide some year-over-year context on Oregon, our aggregate volumes were down about 25% in the first half, or approximately 1.2 million tons. This is having a direct impact on our consolidated financial results. Over 50% of Knife River's EBITDA variance for the quarter, for the year to date, and to our updated guidance is directly related to Oregon. That said, we still expect the state to be a solid contributor. We anticipate Oregon's EBITDA margin, which has been Knife River's North Star for the past decade, will continue to be accreted to our overall results for the year. And while Oregon has its challenges at the moment, there are many good things happening in our other 13 states.
On the private side, macroeconomic factors including uncertainty around tariffs and higher, interest rates, continue to affect Oregon's manufacturing and import export Industries prolonging delays on private projects. We continue to rightsize our crews and Equipment pool in Oregon and have been mobilizing our teams to where the work is, as we manage through the current demand environment.
To provide some year-over-year context on Oregon. Our Aggregates volumes were down about 25%. In the first half, we're approximately 1.2 million. Tons,
This is having a direct impact on our Consolidated Financial results over 50% of nif. River's ibida variants for the quarter for the year to date. And to our updated guidance is directly related to Oregon. That said, we still expect the state to be a solid contributor. We anticipate Oregon's ibida margin which has been knife. River's Northstar for the past decade will continue to be accreted to our overall results for the year.
Brian Gray: Let me start with the West, where we got off to a faster start in California, Hawaii, and Alaska. Aggregate volumes were up almost 60% this quarter in Alaska, while ready-mix volumes were up in both Hawaii and Alaska. In California, asphalt volumes were up along with contracting services revenue, which improved 30% over last year. We expect contracting services will continue to have a strong year in California, and we further expect volumes in all product lines to be up in California, Hawaii, and Alaska. I've stated several times that these states, which make up our legacy Pacific segment, have historically been a top contributor for Knife River, and it's exciting to see their progress on our competitive edge initiatives.
And while Oregon has this challenges at the moment, there are many good things happening in. Our other 13 states. Let me start with the west where we got off to a faster. Start in California. Hawaii and Alaska. Aggregate volumes were up. Almost 60%. This quarter in Alaska while writing makes volumes were up in, both Hawaii and Alaska.
In California, asphalt volumes were up, along with Contracting Services revenue, which improved 30% over last year.
We expect Contracting Services, will continue to have a strong year in California, and we further expect volumes in all product lines to be up in California, Hawaii and Alaska.
Brian Gray: Finally, in the West, the state of Washington recently increased its transportation funding by over $2 billion, and we are seeing more opportunities to bid bridge work in that market out of our pre-stress division. Switching to Mountain, we anticipate another solid year. As you can see in our quarterly and year-to-date performance, work was affected by our ability to get in the field due to weather and project timing, both causing a delayed start to the construction season. Also causing lower revenue and profitability this quarter is the lack of asphalt paving in Montana, as the DOT is spending a larger portion of its budget on bridge structures. But this region has an all-time record backlog. The DOT budgets are strong, and we continue to see more opportunities to bid private work.
I stated several times that these states which make up our Legacy Pacific segments, have historically, been a top contributor for Knife. River, and is exciting to see their progress on our Competitive Edge initiatives.
Finally, in the west, the state of Washington recently increased, its transportation funding by over 2 billion dollars and we are seeing more opportunities to bid Bridge work in that market out of our pre-stress division.
Switching to Mountain, we anticipated another solid year.
As you can see in our quarterly and year-to-date performance work, was affected by our ability to get in the field. Due to weather and project timing both causing a delayed start to the construction season.
Just spending a larger portion of his Budget on bridge structures.
Brian Gray: Idaho approved funding during the quarter focused on relieving congestion, and we are seeing shovel-ready projects already coming out for bid. We're currently working on the $95 million Farmway Road project in Boise and recently secured a $54 million interchange project in that same market. In Central, the acquisition of Strata drove record second-quarter volumes, revenue, and EBITDA, and our quarterly results could have been even better if not for the rain. The integration of Strata is going well, and the guidance we provided earlier this year related to Strata remains on track. In North Dakota, the state passed a spending bill in the second quarter that allocates $800 million a year over the next two years for road construction projects. This work is right in our wheelhouse. Meanwhile, we are also seeing exceptional infrastructure investment in Texas.
But this region has all-time record backlog. The dot budgets are strong and we continue to see more opportunities have been private work. Idaho approved funding during the quarter. Focus on relieving congestion. And we are seeing shovel ready projects already coming out for bid. We're currently working on the 95 million farmway road projects in Boise and recently secured a 54 million dollar interchange project in that same Market.
In central, the acquisition of strata drove records. Second quarter volumes revenue and ibadah in our quarterly results could have been even better if not for the rain.
The integration of strata is going well, and the guidance, we provided earlier this year related to strata remains on track.
In North Dakota, the state passed the spending bill in the second quarter that allocates $800 million a year over the next 2 years for road construction projects.
This work is right in our wheelhouse.
Brian Gray: We're preparing for a $118 million multi-year highway project in College Station, where we are a material supplier and paving subcontractor. Our Texas team also landed a $33 million paving subcontract for a highway project in Madison County. Even though these projects are larger in size than traditional projects in our backlog, they are work we typically perform and have similar risk profiles. And finally, in energy services, volumes increased year over year with the acquisition of Albina Asphalt and the addition of our new polymer-modified liquid asphalt plant in South Dakota. Wet weather in the Midwest and economic challenges in Oregon negatively impacted financial results in this segment for the quarter. However, we expect EBITDA margin in energy services to continue to be accreted to Knife River again this year. Looking ahead, we have many opportunities across our company as we move into the second half of the year.
Meanwhile, we are also seeing exceptional infrastructure investment in Texas.
We're preparing for 118 million multi-year Highway projects in College Station where we are material supplier and Paving subcontractor. Our Texas team. Also landed at 33 million, Paevey, subcontract for a highway project in Madison County.
Even though these projects are larger in size than traditional projects in our backlog, they are work. We typically perform and have similar risk profiles and finally at Energy Services volumes increase year-over-year with the acquisition of Albina asphalt, and the addition of our new polymer modified liquid asphalt plant in South Dakota,
What weather in the Midwest and economic challenges in Oregon negatively impacted Financial results in this segment for the quarter. However, we expect ibida margin and Energy Services to continue to be accretive to Knife River. Again this year,
Brian Gray: We have a record backlog, a strong demand for our products, and several exciting edge updates. Our second-quarter backlog of $1.3 billion is the highest of any quarter in Knife River history. And this wasn't just delayed work being pushed forward. We secured $650 million in new projects during the quarter, a $250 million increase from the same time last year. Record DOT budgets are driving record backlog. Approved budgets in Knife River states are growing 14% for fiscal year 2026, compared to just 3% for the US average. Our 14 states also have about 60% of IAJ funding still to spend, and we expect IAJ to continue to positively impact our markets well past the bill's expiration. As we enter our busiest quarter, we have a lot of work that should carry us through this year and into 2026.
Looking ahead, we have many opportunities to cross our company as we move into the second, half of the year, we have record, backlog, a strong demand for our products and several exciting Edge updates.
Our second quarter backlog of 1.3 billion is the highest of any quarter in Knife River history. And this wasn't just delayed work being pushed forward. We secured 650 million in new projects during the quarter. A 250 million increase from the same time last year.
Record dot. Budgets are driving record. Backlog approved budgets and Knife. River states are growing 14% for fiscal year, 2026 compared to just 3% for the US average.
our 14 States also have about 60% of iij funding, still is a spin and we expect iij to continue to positively impact, our markets, well, past the bills expiration,
Brian Gray: We expect our record backlog to drive volume growth across all product lines in the second half of this year. On top of strong budgets and record backlog, we also remain focused on our competitive edge strategy of EBITDA margin improvement, discipline, growth, and excellence. We are committed to achieving our long-term goal of 20% adjusted EBITDA margin, and we see multiple paths to get there. One of those paths is growth, and we have acquired two aggregate-sled companies since the first quarter. In May, we purchased Kramer Trucking and Excavating in St. Cloud, Minnesota. Kramer provides infill growth for us in the central part of the state. It has nine sand and gravel sites to support our current footprint, along with a strategically located granite quarry on Interstate 94 that can serve the suburbs of Minneapolis. Then, in July, we acquired High Desert Aggregates and Paving in Bend, Oregon.
As we enter our busiest quarter, we have a lot of work. That should carry us through this year and into 2026. We expect our record backlog to drive, volume growth across all product lines in the second half of this year. On top of strong budgets and record backlog. We also remain focused on our Competitive Edge strategy of ibida margin Improvement, discipline, growth and Excellence. We are committed to achieving our long-term goal of 20%, adjusted, EBA margin and we see multiple paths to get there 1 of those passes growth and we have acquired 2 aggregate sled companies since the first quarter.
In May, we purchased Kramer Trucking and Excavating in St. Cloud, Minnesota.
Brian Gray: Bend's population has grown 8% in the last five years, and we expect this market to continue to grow faster than the national average. High Desert adds aggregate reserves along with downstream asphalt production and paving to help serve this area. Both of these acquisitions align with our growth strategy. They are negotiated deals infilling our mid-size, high-growth markets. They are aggregate-sled, and they are able to quickly integrate into our system. We have maintained an active deal pipeline and will continue to pursue acquisitions, as well as organic growth opportunities that fit our strategic goals. We also continue to invest in long-term growth through our process improvement teams, or PIC crews. These crews are focused on self-help through standardization, cost control, price optimization, and pushing toward excellence in all we do. This takes time.
Kramer provides infill growth for us in the central part of the state. It has 9 Sandy gravel sites to support our current footprint along with a strategically located Granite Quarry. On Interstate 94 that can serve the suburbs of Minneapolis. Then in July, we acquired High Desert Aggregates and Paving and Bend. Oregon. Best population has grown 8% in the last 5 years and we expect this marks to continue to grow faster than the national average, high desert as aggregate reserves, along with Downstream asphalt production and Paving to help serve this area.
Both these Acquisitions aligned with our growth strategy. They are negotiated deals. Infilling, our midsize high growth markets. They are aggregate sled and they are able to quickly integrate into our system.
Brian Gray: We are still in the early stages of many of these initiatives, but we absolutely expect this investment to have a strong and sustainable return for our shareholders. PIC crews are an important part of our edge strategy. Another integral part of our strategy is materials pricing. In the second quarter, our teams improved pricing on aggregates, ready-mix, and asphalt. Nathan will talk more about this in his remarks, but we continue to gain traction with the implementation of our dynamic pricing initiative, along with new and improved technology to support it. All told, we have a lot of high-quality work in front of us, a proven strategy, and positive market fundamentals. We have a record backlog of $1.3 billion that is secured work with dedicated public funding. There's bipartisan support at the federal, state, and local levels to continue the build-out of America's infrastructure.
We have maintained an active deal Pipeline and will continue to pursue Acquisitions as well as organic growth opportunities that fit our strategic goals. We also continue to invest in long-term growth through our process Improvement teams or pit Crews. These crews are focused on self-help through standardization cost, control price optimization and pushing toward excellence in. All we do this takes time, we are still in the early stages of many of these initiatives, but we absolutely expect this investment to have a strong and sustainable return. For our shareholders pit. Crews are an important part of our Edge strategy.
Another integral part of our strategy is materials pricing. In the second quarter, our teams improve pricing on Aggregates Ready. Mix and asphalt, Nathan will talk more about this in his remarks, but we continue to gain traction with the implementation of our Dynamic pricing initiative along with new and improved technology to support it. All told we have a lot of high-quality work in front of us, a proven strategy and positive Market. Fundamentals, we have record backlog of 1.3 billion that is secured work with dedicated Public Funding.
Brian Gray: This is exactly the type of work we perform. We also continue to drive pricing improvements on construction materials as we roll out our commercial excellence initiatives. And finally, we have an incredible team that's laser-focused on working safely, controlling our costs, and becoming best in class in everything we do. All of this gives me great confidence in our ability to deliver long-term value for our shareholders. With that, I will turn the call over to Nathan.
There's bipartisan support at the federal state and local levels to continue the buildout of America's infrastructure. This is exactly the type of work. We perform
Nathan Ring: Thank you, Brian. As we review our product lines, the wet weather during the quarter and the Oregon economy put downward pressure on our financial results. Generally speaking, impacts from rain caused lower volumes and challenging operating conditions, leading to higher per-unit fixed costs and compressed margins in our product lines. Additionally, the softening in Oregon shifted Knife River's overall revenue mix away from this higher margin market, which also impacted gross margins in our product lines. Beginning with contracting services, we saw an 8.5% decline in revenue for the quarter compared to last year. With a return to normal weather, we expect to get back in the field and focus on our core paving projects.
We have an incredible team that's laser-focused on working safely, controlling our costs, and becoming best-in-class in everything we do. All of this gives me great confidence in our ability to deliver long-term value for our shareholders. With that, I will turn the call over to Nathan.
Thank you, Brian. As we review our product lines, the wet weather during the quarter and the Oregon economy, put downward pressure on our financial results.
Generally speaking impacts from rain cause lower volumes, and challenging operating conditions leading to higher per unit fixed costs and compressed margins in our product lines.
Additionally, the softening in Oregon shifted knife. Rivers, overall Revenue mix away from this higher margin Market, which also impacted gross margins in our product lines.
The Contracting Services. We saw on 8.5% decline in revenue for the quarter compared to last year.
Nathan Ring: As we look forward, we are encouraged to see that the states where we operate have DOT budgets growing faster than the US average and that 10 of our 14 states are forecasting record DOT budgets for 2026. Our backlog continues to be primarily public work at about 90%, with approximately 80% expected to be completed within the next 12 months. Moving to asphalt, the delays we experienced in contracting services also impacted asphalt revenue, with volumes declining 9% for the quarter compared to the previous year. However, we were able to improve gross profit per ton by almost 8% as we maintained pricing discipline despite lower demand.
With a return to normal, whether we expect to get back in the field and focus on our core Paving projects.
As we look forward, we are encouraged to see that the states where we operate have dot budgets growing faster than the US average. And that 10 of our 14. States are forecasting. Record dot budgets for 2026.
Our backlog continues to be primarily public work at about 90% with Approximately 80% expected to be completed within the next 12 months.
Moving to Asphalt the delays, we experienced in Contracting Services. Also impacted asphalt Revenue with volumes declining 9% for the quarter compared to the previous year.
Nathan Ring: We were also able to increase third-party sales within the quarter, and as paving work picks up in the second half, we anticipate that volumes will improve for the remainder of the year and that full-year volumes will be in line with last year at comparable pricing. Aggregate revenue increased for the quarter compared to last year, benefiting from the acquisition of Strata and our continued pricing initiatives, which resulted in higher prices of almost 12%. However, as a result of headwinds previously mentioned, we experienced lower volumes along with production costs not fully absorbed into inventory, both of which had an impact on gross margin for the quarter.
However, we were able to improve gross profit per ton by almost 8% as we maintain pricing discipline despite lower demand.
We were also able to increase third-party sales within the quarter and as Paving work picks up in the second half, we anticipate that volumes will improve for the remainder of the Year. And that full year volumes will be in line with last year at comparable pricing.
Aggregate Revenue increased for the quarter compared to last year benefiting from the acquisition of strata and our continued pricing initiatives which resulted in higher prices of almost 12%.
Nathan Ring: Looking ahead, with the recent addition of Strata and continued self-help from the PIC crew, we believe aggregate volumes and gross profit will keep improving, and we expect full-year results for volume to be up mid-single digits and pricing to be up high single digits. Ready-mix volume and price improved for the quarter compared to the prior year, resulting in a 15% increase in revenue. Our central segment saw the largest volume increase related to the recent acquisition of Strata, and West saw higher demand in Hawaii and Alaska. We also continue to benefit from dynamic pricing in this product line, with an 8% price increase over last year. However, gross margin was affected by the revenue shift I mentioned earlier, as we had less overall volumes from the higher margin Oregon market. Guidance for ready-mix includes volume increases of low double digits and pricing increases of mid-single digits.
However, as a result of the headwinds previously mentioned, we experienced lower volumes. With production costs not fully absorbed into inventory, both of which had an impact on gross margin for the quarter.
Looking ahead with the recent addition of strata and continued self-help from the pit crew. We Believe aggregate volumes and gross profit will keep improving and we expect full year results for volume to be up mid single digits and pricing to be up high single digits.
Brady mix volume and price. Improved for the quarter compared to the prior year, resulting in a 15% increase in Revenue.
Our central segments saw the largest volume increase related to the recent acquisition of Strata and Wes, as well as a higher demand in Hawaii and Alaska.
We also continue to benefit from Dynamic pricing in this product line with an 8% price increase over last year.
However, gross margin was affected by the revenue shift. I mentioned earlier as we had less overall volume from the higher margin Oregon Market,
Nathan Ring: Moving from operations to administration, SG&A increased $9.7 million for the quarter compared to the previous year and was in line with our expectations. The quarterly variance was primarily due to additional overhead costs of $10.6 million that came with the acquisitions we have made during the last 12 months. As anticipated, we also had higher business development costs of $1.9 million, which was offset by higher gains on asset sales. In previous quarters, we talked about a step up in SG&A of $20 million for this year related to business development costs and edge initiatives that we expect will help the company grow and improve margins. We also noted this amount will be front-loaded to the beginning of 2025, and we have spent approximately $14 million on this step up through the first half.
Guidance for Ready. Mix includes volume increases of low, double digits, and pricing increases of mid single digits.
Moving from operations to Administration sgna increased 9.7 million for the quarter, compared to the previous year and was in line with our expectations.
The quarterly variance was primarily due to additional overhead costs of 10.6 million that came with the Acquisitions. We have made during the last 12 months.
As anticipated, we also had higher Business Development costs of 1.9 million, which was offset by higher gains on asset sales.
Nathan Ring: For the full year, we believe SG&A is still in line with what we had shared with you in the prior quarter, which is an increase of mid-single digits over 2024 SG&A, plus this $20 million step up and the additional overhead from our acquisitions. For our capital allocation, we continue to put our balance sheet to work in maintaining and growing operations. Through the first half of 2025, we have spent $111 million maintaining, improving, and replacing our plants and equipment. And for the full year, we anticipate our maintenance capital expenditures will still be 5% to 7% of revenue. We have also invested $620 million in acquisitions, growth projects, and reserve replacements that fit our vertically integrated aggregates-led strategy. In addition, we have $50 million approved for organic projects, which put our total growth spend at $670 million for 2025.
In previous quarters, we talked about a step up in sgna of 20 million for this year related to Business Development costs and Edge initiatives. That we expect will help the company grow and improve margins. We also noted, this amount will be front-loaded to the beginning of 2025 and we have spent approximately 14 million dollars on this step-up, through the first half.
For the full year, we believe SG&A is still in line with what we had shared with you. In the prior quarter, we noted an increase of mid-single digits over 2024 SG&A.
Plus this 20 million step up and the additional overhead from our acquisitions.
For our Capital allocation. We continue to put our balance sheet to work in maintaining and growing operations.
Through the first half of 2025, we have spent 111 million, maintaining, improving, and replacing our plant and equipment. And for the full year, we anticipate our maintenance, Capital expenditures will still be 5 to 7% of Revenue.
We have also invested 620 million in Acquisitions growth projects and Reserve Replacements that fit, our vertically integrated Aggregates LED strategy.
Nathan Ring: Any additional acquisitions or new organic projects would be incremental to these amounts. We ended the quarter with nearly $1.4 billion of long-term debt, which includes $183 million borrowed on the revolver, putting our net leverage position at 3.1 times. Keep in mind, this is at the peak of our seasonal borrowing needs, and we anticipate the revolver will be fully repaid by year-end. Based on our current EBITDA guidance, we expect that the net leverage position should end the year below our long-term target of 2.5 times, keeping additional capacity for future strategic investments. As we consider our first half results and look at the remainder of the year, we are lowering the midpoint of our adjusted EBITDA guidance by $55 million. About 75% of that reduction is related to the first half headwinds of a softer Oregon market and wet weather.
Approved for organic projects, which put our total growth spend at 670 million for 2025.
Any additional Acquisitions or new organic projects would be incremental to these amounts.
We ended the quarter with nearly 1.4 billion of long-term debt, which includes 183 million borrowed on the revolver, putting our net leverage position at 3.1 times.
Keep in mind, this is at the peak of our seasonal borrowing needs and we anticipate, the revolver will be fully repaid by year end.
Based on our current ebit, Doug guidance. We expect that the net leverage position should end the year below. Our long-term Target of 2.5 times keeping additional capacity for future strategic Investments.
First, half results and look at the remainder of the year. We are lowering the midpoint of our adjusted ebita guidance by 55 million.
Nathan Ring: In the second half, we expect continued softness in Oregon and a lower EBITDA contribution from energy services to be largely offset by recapturing pre-production costs, taking advantage of paving opportunities, and benefiting from our recent acquisitions. Our updated guidance includes consolidated revenue between $3.1 billion and $3.3 billion, adjusted EBITDA between $475 million and $525 million, including geographic segments and corporate services between $425 million and $465 million, and energy services between $50 million and $60 million. With the exception of the flooding in Texas and the Oregon economy, both of which are included in this update, guidance is based on normal weather, economic, and operating conditions. The fundamentals of our business are strong, with roads in need of repair and funding to support our work at all-time highs, creating robust and ongoing demand for our services and materials.
About 75% of that reduction is related to the first half headwinds of a softer Oregon market and wet weather.
In the second half, we expect continued softness in Oregon and a lower EBBA contribution from Energy Services to be largely offset by recapturing pre-production costs, taking advantage of paving opportunities, and benefiting from our recent acquisitions.
Our updated guidance includes Consolidated revenue between 3.1 billion and 3.3 billion.
Adjusted IBA de between 475 million and 525 million. Including
Geographic, segments and Corporate Services between 425 million, and 465, million, and Energy Services between 50 million and 60 million.
with the exception of the flooding in Texas and the Oregon economy, both of which are included in this update, guidance is based on normal whether economic and operating conditions,
Nathan Ring: We believe we are well-positioned to succeed with the continued implementation of our self-help initiatives and edge strategy, and we are excited about our future. I would now like to open the call for questions.
The fundamentals of our business are strong with roads in need of repair and funding to support our work at all-time highs creating robust and ongoing demand for our services and materials. We believe we are well positioned to succeed with the continued implementation of our self-help initiatives and Ed strategy, and we are excited about our future.
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I would now like to open the call for questions.
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Brent Thielman: Hey, thanks. Good morning, team. I guess I appreciate the bridge and the walk on the revisions to guidance. I was hoping maybe just in regard to the Oregon market, whether you can talk qualitatively, what you're sort of expecting here into the second half of the year, what are the green shoots that could happen in that market, Brian, and then just wanted to confirm that you're still anticipating roughly $45 million from Strata this year.
In your first question will be from Brent sillman at da Davidson. Please go ahead Brent.
Brian Gray: Yeah, good morning, Brent. Yes, I'll answer that first one. The integration of Strata is going as planned. It's going actually very good. And so that original guidance we gave back three months ago of an increase of $45 million is still on track. As far as Oregon, yeah, I mean, a couple of things have changed since the last time we talked, Brent. As you know, the Oregon legislature was trying to pass a comprehensive transportation funding bill. We were hopeful for that, and unfortunately, after a year of work on that, they closed the legislature without passing a long-term comprehensive funding bill. And so since then, the governor has called the legislature back into special session at the end of this month.
Hey, thanks. Um, good morning, uh Team I guess. Um appreciate the the bridge and the walk on the the revisions to to guidance. Um was hoping maybe just in regard to the Oregon Market, whether you can talk qualitatively, what you're sort of, um, expecting here into the second half of the year. What are the green shoots that could happen in that market, Brian? And then just wanted to confirm that, you're still anticipating, roughly 45 million from Strata this year.
Brian Gray: Frankly, I don't think that is going to have any kind of positive impact on us as far as paving work that we do in the state of Oregon this year, as it's just frankly going to be too late. I think it really is to avoid layoffs of DOT workers and so they can continue to work through the winter and plow in the snow. And so I think, you know, we are hopeful. The state of Oregon, their roads and bridges are in very poor shape. They have got to do something, just like every state has gone through, trying to find funding through gas taxes and other registration fees, and very hopeful that they will accomplish that, you know, more comprehensively, possibly at the special session, but most likely next year.
Yeah, good morning, Brent. Uh, yes, I'll answer that first 1, uh, is uh, this integration of strata is going as planned. It's going to actually very good and so that original guy, just we gave back 3 months ago of an increase of 45 million dollars is uh, still on track. Um, as far as Oregon. Um, yeah, I mean, a couple things have changed since last time we talked Brent. Um, as you know, the the Oregon legislature was trying to pass a comprehensive transportation funding bill. Uh, we were hopeful for that and unfortunately, after a year of work on that, uh, they close the legislature without passing a long-term comprehensive, uh, funding bill. And so, since then, uh, the governor has called the leg legislature back into special session at the end of this month. Uh, frankly, I don't think that is going to have uh any kind of positive uh impact on.
Brian Gray: The roads need fixed in Oregon, and so this is something they cannot kick the can down the road very long, or it's just going to result in even higher costs. So that's on the DOT side of it, Brent. Also, since we last talked, we had a number of projects that were on pause, and we were told that those projects would start sometime in June or July. And as we are here this morning, you know, in August, only one of that list of projects has started again. And so most of those projects are still on pause. Only one has been canceled. One has started. The rest of them are still on hold.
Us as far as Paving work that we do in the state of Oregon this year is just frankly going to be too late. Um I think it really is to avoid layoffs of of dot workers and so they can continue to work through the winter and plowing the snow. And so I think, you know, we are hopeful uh the state of Oregon. The the roads and bridges are in very poor shape. Uh, they have got to do something, uh, just like every state has gone through trying to find funding, uh, through gas taxes and other registration fees. Uh, and very hopeful that they will accomplish that, you know, more comprehensively, possibly the, the special session. But most likely next year, uh, the roads
Kick the Can down the road very long uh or so just going to result in even higher costs. So that's on the dot side of it, Brent. Um, also since we last talked um we had a number of projects that
Brian Gray: And so that is a change since we last talked, and it's been baked into our guidance, as Nathan mentioned, or as I mentioned, you know, more than 50% of our revision to our guidance is because of Oregon. More than 50% of our quarterly and year-to-date variances is also from Oregon. So it's definitely having an impact on us.
Brent Thielman: Okay. Yeah, appreciate that, Brian. Again, and then on the, I mean, good to see the record backlog here. There's some comments here, margins may be somewhat lower. Is that a consequence of the work you're taking? Is it more competitive? I was just wondering around what factors might drive lower margins there.
on pause and we were told that those projects would start sometime in June or July. And as we are here this morning, you know, in August, only 1 of that list of projects has started uh again. And so most of those projects um, are still on pause. Um, only 1 has been canceled 1 is started. The rest of them are still on hold. And so that is a change since we last talked and it's been baked into our guidance as Nathan mentioned, um, or as I mentioned, you know, more than 50% of our revision. Uh to our guidance is because of Oregon more than 50% of our quarterly and year-to-date variances is also from Oregon so it's definitely having an impact on us.
Okay. Yeah, appreciate that. Brian. Um,
Brian Gray: Yeah, part of that is, I mean, just as we shift revenue from regions, as you know, Oregon has been the North Star as it relates to our margins. And I mean, there's a lot of, you know, good things happening in Oregon still, and they're still going to be accreted to our overall margins. But as we shift revenue from Oregon into other regions, that's part of that lower margins in our backlog. And then just some of those larger jobs that we picked up, multi-year projects. When you pick up those larger jobs, Brent, sometimes they come at lower margins, but also those larger jobs have a lot of opportunities for, you know, value engineering and bonus potential. And so we're excited about our $1.3 billion backlog, but that'd be the reason for those slightly lower margins in our backlog.
Again, and then on the, uh, I mean, good to see the record backlog here. Um, there's some comments here at margins, maybe somewhat lower. Is that a consequence of the work you're taking? Is it more competitive. Um, was just wandering around. Uh, what, what factors might drive lower margins there.
Brent Thielman: Okay. Last one, I mean, the aggregates ASP really impressive here, particularly relative to what we've seen around the industry. I guess your views on sustaining that. I see your outlook for the year, but you know, do you chalk it up to just the discipline that's happening at the ground and focus on price, dynamic pricing as it mixed this quarter? Just any help there would be good.
Yeah, part of that is, I mean, just as, as we shift, uh, revenue from regions. Uh, as you know, uh, organ has been the Northstar as it relates to our margins. And I mean there's a lot of, you know, good things happening in Oregon steel and they're still going to be a Creed of our overall margins. But as we shift revenue from Oregon into other uh, regions that's part of that lower margins in our backlog, uh and then just some of those larger jobs that we picked up uh multi-year uh projects. Uh when you pick up those larger jobs, Brent, Sometimes they come at lower margins but also those larger jobs have a lot of opportunities for you know, value engineering and bonus potential and so we're excited uh about our 1.3 billion dollar backlog. But that'd be the reason for those slightly lower margins in our backlog.
Last 1, I mean the Aggregates ASP really impressive here. Particularly relative to what we see around the industry. Um
I guess your your views on sustaining that I see your outlook.
Brian Gray: Yeah, no, I think definitely want to give credit to our team and our discipline in implementing dynamic pricing. That is gaining traction. The addition of Strata has helped our average selling price. And so, and then, as you know, I mean, our average selling price does include freight, does include, you know, different product mix. And so, you know, we did raise our guidance from mid-single digit pricing because of the continued momentum that we're seeing in dynamic pricing. We raised that up to high single digits. And so we are very pleased with those fundamentals, Brent, that will last for a long time. I mean, that is a very positive sign for our aggregates division.
Um, for the year. But, um, you know, do you chalk it up to just the discipline that's happening at the ground and focus on price? Dynamic pricing, is it mixed this quarter? Just any help would be good.
Brent Thielman: Okay. Very good. I'll pass it on. Thank you.
Yeah. No I think uh, definitely want to give credit to our team and our discipline uh in implementing Dynamic pricing. Uh, that is gaining traction. Uh the the addition of strata uh, has helped our average selling price and so and then as you know, I mean our average selling price does include Freight does include um you know, different product mix and so you know, we did raise our uh guidance uh from mid single digit pricing because of the continued momentum that we're seeing in Dynamic pricing. We raise that up to high single digits. So, we are very pleased with those fundamentals, Brent. That will last for a long time, I mean, that is a very positive sign, uh, for our Aggregates division.
Brian Gray: Thank you.
David Brown: Next question will be from Katherine Thompson at Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead, Katherine.
Very good. I'll pass it on. Thank you.
Thank you.
Brent Thielman: All right. Thank you for taking my questions today. I wanted to follow up on your Strata Albina acquisitions and just in terms of how are they performing in the quarter, really focusing on their organic volume and pricing for both of those acquisitions. And you've given some color in terms of how they'll contribute going forward, but maybe pulling the string a little bit more in terms of clarification and quantifying the impact going forward for both. Thank you.
Next question will be from Katherine Thompson at Thompson research group. Please go ahead Katherine.
Hi. Thank you for taking my questions today. Um, wanted to follow up on your strata, um, being a Acquisitions and just in terms of how they performing, um, in the quarter,
Brian Gray: Yeah, thank you, Katherine. No, we're very excited and pleased with the progress we're making on both of those acquisitions. The integration is going well. They are, you know, materials-led businesses that fit very well in our edge strategy. They both have contributed to our seasonality in the first half of the year. As you know, Strata is located in the northern part of our footprint, and so that has added to our seasonality both in the first quarter, which we only had them for a couple of weeks in the first quarter, but certainly adds to our seasonality in the second quarter, as does Albina Asphalt. I mean, they're selling liquid asphalt for asphalt paving projects in the Pacific Northwest, and so they have added to our seasonality.
Uh really uh, focusing on their organic volume and pricing for for both of those Acquisitions and uh you've given some color in terms of how they'll contribute going forward, but they pulling the string a little bit more. And in terms of clarification and quantifying, um, the the the impact, uh, going forward,
For both. Thank you.
Brian Gray: You know, we don't provide specific guidance and financial results for individual business units, but I think it is helpful to provide some color and direct, you know, just directionally the impact that those two companies are having on us. And so the revenue from these two operations, Strata and Albina, for the second quarter, accounted for about 8% of our total revenue for the quarter, keeping in mind they are more seasonal again, and so they're going to ramp up even more in the third and fourth quarters. You know, I think putting that another way, Katherine, if you just look at our consolidated revenue from Knife River, it would have been down 5% for the quarter without the impact of Albina and Strata's revenue.
Brian Gray: And so again, Strata and Albina accounted for about 8% of our revenue for the quarter, and without those sales, our organic revenue would have been down about 5%. I'll just end by adding just a tiny bit more maybe color and detail around the volumes of Strata. As you know, they're aggregates-led, and they have a large ready-mix presence. And so just the impact of those two business units, both of them are about 10% of our annual sales. If you look at our annualized sales last year, Strata for aggregates volumes and for ready-mix volumes would be about 10% of Knife River's consolidated annualized volumes. And so that gives you a little bit of flavor on the impact that those volumes that would have been added back in March are having on our overall consolidated financial statements. Did that answer your question, Katherine?
Helpful to provide some color and direct you know, just directionally the impact that those 2 companies are having on us. And so the revenue uh, from these 2 operations strata and Albina, for the second quarter, accounted for about 8% of our total revenue for the quarter, uh, keeping in mind, uh they are more seasonal, uh, again. So they're going to ramp up even more in the third and fourth quarters. Um, you know, I think putting that another way, Catherine, if you just look at our Consolidated revenue for Knife River, it would have been. It would have been down uh, 5% uh, for the quarter without the impact of Albina and strata's revenue. Uh, and so again strata and Albina, accounted for about 8% of our revenue for the quarter. And uh, without those sales, our organic Revenue would have been down about 5%. I'll just end by adding just a tiny bit more, maybe color and detail around the the volumes of
Strata as, you know, their aggregate sled and they have a, a large Ready. Mix, uh, presence. And so, uh, just the impact of those 2 business units, uh, both of them are about 10% of our annual sales, if you look at our annualized sales last year,
David Brown: Yes, it did. And then on a go-forward basis, how do you think about just the magnitude of the contribution for Q3, which you had noted is a higher relative contribution on annualized basis?
Um, strata, uh, for aggregates volumes, and for random mix volumes would be about 10% of NIF, rivers, consolidated annualized volumes. So that gives you a little bit of flavor on the impact that those volumes have that we've been added, uh, back in March are having on our overall consolidated financial statements. Did that answer your question, Katherine?
Um, yes, it did, and then on a go-forward basis. How do you think about just the magnitude of the contribution for Q3, which you had noted as a higher relative?
Brian Gray: Yeah, I think it, you know, it's going to be, you know, right now they've made up 8% in the quarter. They are more seasonal, so I see that ticking up. You know, that would be similar in line with kind of the aggregates and ready-mix contribution in that 10% range. I think as you look at our, you know, we reconfirmed the guidance that we provided on Strata. That's in that 9-10% of our overall EBITDA for the year. And so I think, you know, as you look at margins and contributions from those two acquisitions going forward, you know, we've publicly stated in the past that Albina, until it becomes fully integrated into our energy services model, probably slightly dilutive. And, you know, on the Strata acquisition, we've mentioned in the past that that's going to be accretive to our margins.
Uh, contribution. Yeah. Annualized.
Brian Gray: So I think looking forward, going forward as far as EBITDA contribution and into the second half of the year, that might provide you some additional color.
David Brown: Okay. And just to clarify, I believe you said this earlier, the prepared commentaries or follow-up, but part of the reason for the aggregate pricing raised guidance is in part due to these two acquisitions. Is that correct in hearing that?
You know, we've publicly stated in the past that Albina uh until it becomes fully integrated into our Energy Services model probably uh slightly dilutive uh and uh you know on the strata acquisition we've mentioned in the past that that is going to be a creative to our margins. So I think looking forward going forward as far as eva.com contribution and into the second half of the year that might provide you some additional color.
Brian Gray: Yeah, for Strata, yes. Albina is strictly a liquid asphalt supplier. And so, but yes, a small piece of that is from Strata, but a bigger, larger piece is just the continued traction and implementation of our dynamic pricing throughout all of our regions. Very pleased with the progress we're making in that initiative.
Okay. And just to clarify I believe you said this earlier the prepared commentaries or follow-up, but part of the reason for the aggregate pricing, um raised uh, guidance is in part due to these 2 Acquisitions. Is that correct in hearing that?
David Brown: Okay, great. And then following up on Oregon, I appreciate the color that you had previously on that. But just the clarification on the public side, you know, we've seen a lot of states, many states over the past several years come to a head with funding infrastructure in particular, and several, including Tennessee, where we're based, that had a reckoning moment where they had the overall infrastructure funding that's worked out well. Where do you put Oregon in terms of that journey towards the reckoning of reassessing infrastructure funding for the state?
Yeah, for Strata. Yes, uh, Albino strictly, uh, liquid asphalt supplier and so, uh, but yes, uh, a small piece of that is, uh, from Strata. But a bigger, larger piece is just the continued traction and implementation of our dynamic pricing throughout all of our regions. Uh, uh, very pleased with the progress we're making in that initiative.
Okay, great. And then, um, following up on, on Oregon and appreciate the color that you, you had previously on that, but just the, the clarification on the, on the public side. You know, we we've seen a lot of States many states over the past, uh, several years, um, come to a head with, with funding,
Brian Gray: Yeah, I think the good news is that everybody understands the need for the funding. I think the hard part is where is that going to come from? And, you know, whether that's gas tax or registration fees and the accountability of the current dollars that are going into ODOT from the gas taxes, they've got some challenges. They have several large mega projects that are over budget. And so I think that they need to get some, you know, some better trust with the legislatures and the general public. But there's no doubt that the roads, everybody on both sides of the aisle, there's bipartisan support. The taxpayers understand the need for infrastructure investment. And so they're going through that process right now.
Infrastructure in particular, and and several including uh, Tennessee where where we're based that had a reckoning moment where they had to overall infrastructure funding. It's worked out. Well, where do you put Oregon in terms of that Journey towards that? The Reckoning of um, reassessing infrastructure funding for the state.
yeah, I think the good news is that, um,
Brian Gray: I think, like I had mentioned, there was a lot of hope and a lot of traction that they would get that done about a month ago. They've been working on it for a full year. They had road shows across the state. They built the momentum and support that people understood the need for infrastructure investment. But unfortunately, they did not get it across the finish line. And so, you know, we will be paying close attention to the special session that's been called for later this month. And then the results of that will continue to work during the offseason to get something more meaningful passed. So you're right, Katherine, every state goes through this cycle. Fortunately for us, we have many states that have been successful, whether that's North Dakota or Texas or Washington, Idaho. I mean, that is more than offsetting what's going on in Oregon.
Everybody understands the need for the uh, funding. I think the hard part is where is it going to come from? And uh, you know, with this gas tax or registration fees and the accountability that of the current dollars that are going into ODOT from the gas taxes, they've got some challenges, they have several large Mega projects that are over budget. And so I think that they need to get some uh, you know, some better uh, trust with the the legislators and the general public, but there's no doubt that the roads everybody on both sides of the aisle. Uh, there's bipartisan support the taxpayers understand. The need for infrastructure investment. Uh, and so they're going through that process right now. I think, like I mentioned there was a lot of Hope and a lot of traction that they would get that done uh about a month ago. Uh they've been working on it for a full year. They had rowed shows across the state. Uh they built the momentum and support uh that people understood the need for infrastructure investment uh but
Brian Gray: I mean, just to remind you, I mean, we are in 14 states, and Oregon is one, and we'll talk a lot about it probably today because of the impact it's having. But we have a record backlog, and the fundamentals are the same in Oregon as they are in other states. The roads need to be repaired. We just need to find the funding to get it, and we'll get that done in Oregon.
David Brown: Yeah, actually, as you describe it, it sounds a little bit like Georgia and what happened where they had a failed referendum and did the same course, which resulted in going back and overhaul funding. All right, thanks very much, and I'll jump back in the queue.
Unfortunately, they did not get it across the finish line. And so, you know, we will be paying close attention to the special session that's been called for later this month. And then the results of that will continue to work during the offseason to to get something more meaningful pass. So you're right. Katherine, every state goes through this cycle. Fortunately, for us, we have many states that have been successful whether that's North Dakota, or Texas or Washington Idaho. I mean, uh, that is, uh, more than offsetting, what's going on in Oregon? I mean, just to remind you. I mean, we are in 14 States and Oregon is 1. And we'll talk a lot about it, probably today, because the impact is having, um, but we have record backlog, and the fundamentals are the same in organ as they are in other states. The roads need to be repaired, uh, we just need to find the funding to get it and we, and we'll get that done in Oregon.
Yeah. Actually, as you described, it sounds a little bit like Georgia and what happened where they had a failed referendum. Um, and did the same course and that which resulted in going back.
And, and overhauling.
Brian Gray: Thank you, Katherine.
All right, thanks very much, and I'll jump back in the queue.
David Brown: Next question will be from Trey Grooms at Stevens Inc. Please go ahead, Trey.
Thank you, Catherine.
Next question, will be from trade rooms at Stevens Inc. Please go ahead Trey.
Trey Grooms: Yeah, hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for all the color on this. And there's a lot of moving pieces as we kind of move into the back half of the year. You know, you mentioned Strata, you know, you're going to see a pickup here this quarter and continuing into fourth. There's some moving pieces around Oregon. Understand all that. But is there anything or any way you can help us kind of maybe fine-tune the cadence or seasonality that's kind of in the back half of this year as we look at third quarter and fourth, and then understanding not to bring '26 into the picture just yet, but just understanding the increased, you know, seasonality that Strata and, you know, specifically Strata brings to the table.
Yep. Hey, good morning everyone.
Trey Grooms: And this year being really abnormal, maybe from a weather standpoint, is there any way that just kind of pro forma the Strata acquisition that we can think about just typical seasonality? I don't know if it's from a, you know, percent of total standpoint for each quarter or just any kind of broad strokes on that, because I think we were a little off on calibrating the seasonality. So any help there would be great.
Brian Gray: Yeah, I think the thing that compounded that problem more than, you know, anything is the weather that we had in those regions. And so it was wet up in North Dakota and Minnesota and throughout much of our Texas, or I'm sorry, our central footprint. And so that definitely compounded the seasonality. But just the sheer footprint of the Strata acquisition, I mean, we disclosed in the first quarter that it had about a 2 to 3, you know, 200 to 300 basis point impact on our seasonality in Q1. And I would say that that's going to be similar in Q2. I mean, maybe 100 to 200 basis points for our seasonality of not just Strata, but again, Albina.
You know, specifically strata brings to the table and this year, being really abnormal, maybe from a, from a weather standpoint, is there any way that just kind of ProForm of the, the strata acquisition that we can think about? Just typical seasonality? I don't know if it's from a, you know, percent of total standpoint for each quarter or just any kind of broad Strokes on that. But because I think we were a little off on calibrating the, the seasonality. So any help there would be great.
Yeah, I think what the thing that compounded that problem more than uh, you know, anything is the weather that we had in those regions. Uh, and so it was wet up in North Dakota and Minnesota uh and throughout much of our Texas or sorry our Central footprint and so that definitely compounded the seasonality. But just
Brian Gray: There's, you know, we don't really get going on a lot of asphalt paving in the Pacific Northwest until the middle part of that second quarter, call it April, beginning of May. So yes, we have added to our seasonality curve going forward that will carry into next year. Compounding the problem this year was just the number of rain days that we lost to production. And then just some timing of some asphalt paving projects, Trey compounded that as well. And so, you know, looking going forward, assuming normal weather, I think that the new cadence for our seasonality would be reflective of, you know, 1 to 2% off of our five-year history in the first quarter and 1 to 2, you know, percentage points less in the second quarter, pushing mostly primarily into the third quarter with a small pickup in the fourth quarter.
Um, the sheer footprint of, uh, of the strata acquisition. I mean, we disclosed in the first quarter that it had about a 2 to 3, you know, 200 to 300 basis point, uh, impact on our seasonality in q1. And I would say that that's going to be similar in Q2. I mean, um, maybe 100 to 200 basis points for our seasonality of not just strata, but again Albina. Uh, there's, you know, we don't really get going on. A lot of asphalt paving in the Pacific Northwest until Mill part of that, second quarter, uh, call it April beginning of May. So, yes, we have, uh, added to our seasonality curve. Uh, going forward. Um, uh, that will carry
Into next year compounding the problem this year was just the the number of rain days that we lost to production.
Brian Gray: So that would, I think that would get into your question.
Trey Grooms: Yep. Yeah, okay, Brian, that's helpful. You know, there's been a lot of talk about Oregon clearly, and I understand that's important. But also, to your point earlier, you guys are in a lot of other places besides Oregon. So you named, you know, Alaska, California, Hawaii, seeing some positives there. But can you maybe talk about just generally your overall footprint, you know, where you're seeing some of the, you know, the positives? Again, you named some of these states, but kind of what's driving some of those and maybe across your footprint where you're seeing some strength versus just the headwind that we're seeing in Oregon?
And then just some timing of some asphalt, paving projects uh uh trade compounded that as well. So you know, looking going forward uh assuming normal weather. Um I think that the new Cadence for our seasonality would be reflective uh of you know, 1 to 2% off of our 5-year history um uh in the first quarter and 1 to 2. Um you know, percentage points Less in the second quarter pushing mostly primarily into the third quarter with a small uh pickup in the fourth quarter so that I think that would get into your question.
Yep. Yeah. Okay. Brian that that's helpful. Um,
you know, there was a there's been a lot of talk about Oregon clearly. Um, and I understand that's important. But also to your point earlier, you guys are in a lot of other places besides Oregon. So you named, um, you know, Alaska, California. Hawaii seeing some, uh, positives there. But can can you maybe talk about? Uh, just generally your overall footprint, um, you know, where you're seeing some, some of the, you know, the the the positives.
Brian Gray: No, I appreciate that. And we have, as you know, over 90% of our backlog is public funding. And so we continue to see record DOT funding in almost all of those states. In fact, if you look at the budgets and you mentioned 2026, the states that we're in, with the exception of Oregon, DOT funding is up 14% in 2026 as far as our budgets. And that compares to the rest of the United States at 3%. And so we do continue to see a lot of, you know, strong funding, strong demand in the public environment. And that's a large piece of our backlog, over 90%. And as you know, the nice thing about that is those are dedicated dollars in a lockbox. And we've not seen, even in Oregon, through this challenging time, any of those DOT jobs that are in our backlog get canceled.
Uh, again you you named some of these states but kind of what's driving, some of those and maybe across your footprint, where you're seeing some strength versus just uh, just the headwind that we're seeing in, in Oregon.
Brian Gray: And so that is very secure work. But as you mentioned, I mean, there's a lot of other things in our material sales. You know, about half of our aggregate sales go to third parties to private work, and you know, the majority of our ready-mix goes out. And we are up in California, Hawaii, and Alaska in those product lines, you know, for the most part. We are seeing a lot of opportunities. We continue to see, you know, activity up in Alaska around the gold mines. There's a large airport project up there. Tourism in both those states and Hawaii and Alaska are rebounding. We've got a lot of multi-housing commercial work going on in Hawaii. The big job in Hawaii, and unfortunately for us, it's been delayed and continues to be slightly delayed, is the large dry dock at Pearl Harbor.
No, I I I appreciate that. And we have as you know 90 over 90% of our backlog is Public Funding. And so we continue to see record dot funding in almost all of those States. Uh, in fact, if you look at the budgets and you mentioned 2026, um, those the states that were in, with the exception of Oregon, uh, dot funding is up 14%, uh, in 2026 as far as their budgets and that compares to the rest of the United States at 3%. And so we do continue to see a lot of uh, you know, strong funding strong demand in the public environment. And that is a that's a large piece of our uh, backlog over 90%. And as you know, uh those the nice thing about that is those are dedicated dollars in a lock box. Uh and we've not seen even in Oregon uh through this uh challenging time any of those dot jobs that are in our backlog get canceled and so that is very uh secure work but as you mentioned, I mean there's a lot of other
Brian Gray: We have mobilized a ready-mix plant on site, but we have not seen any production out of that. And that's pushing out to late third quarter, early fourth quarter. So the legacy Pacific region, California, Hawaii, and Alaska are doing well. Idaho has a record backlog, and Idaho continues to find funding for public works and continues to let large jobs. There's good private work. The semiconductor business is moving into Boise, the data centers in Wyoming, the wind projects in Wyoming, lots of opportunities. Frankly, that mountain region is one of our fastest growing regions. Central continues the integration of Strata into Knife River's footprint. The funding at the DOT levels in almost all of those states has been positive. And in Texas, it just continues to see, you know, some large projects that have a high pull-through of our materials business.
Brian Gray: And then the private development, you know, has just been strong throughout that central region. So as far as the end markets, there are a lot of good things going on in all of our different markets.
Trey Grooms: Perfect. That's super helpful, Brian. And just if I could touch on one last thing, I'm not sure if you mentioned it, but two bolt-on acquisitions, if you could maybe touch on those and kind of what they mean to the strategy and how they fit, and then maybe your appetite for a vinay just, you know, where we are with the Strata integration and just where we are in kind of the cycle. Thank you.
Doing well. Uh, Idaho has record backlog and Idaho continues to, uh, find funding for public works, and the continues to let large jobs. Um, there's good private work, uh, the semiconductor business is moving into Boise, uh, the data centers in Wyoming, the wind projects in Wyoming, uh, lots of opportunities, frankly, that that mountain region is 1 of our fastest growing regions, uh, Central, uh, continues, uh, the, the integration of strata into knife, Rivers footprint, uh, the funding at the dot levels, and all almost all of those States has been positive and then Texas that just continues to see, you know, some large projects that have high pull through of our materials uh business. And then the private development, you know, is just been strong and throughout That central region. So it as far as the end markets, there are a lot of good things going on in all of our different markets,
Brian Gray: Yeah, we've been very focused on the Strata integration. And our COO and I talk about the schedule that we are on as far as integrating Strata. And we put together a very detailed schedule of synergies that we expected to get out of that, our largest deal in the history of Knife River, a 30, 60, 90-day, and 180-day schedule of those synergies. And I'll just tell you that I've been very pleased at where we're at and the progress and the traction that we get. And we've done over 90 acquisitions, so we have a proven playbook. The two smaller acquisitions I mentioned, KTE, which is in St. Cloud, Minnesota area, also has a quarry on I-94 that would service the suburbs of Minneapolis. And then the High Desert paving operations in central Oregon, both of them are aggregates-based companies.
Perfect. Um, that's that's super helpful, Brian. And and just if I could touch on 1 last thing, uh, and not sure if you you mentioned it, but uh, 2 bolts on, um, Acquisitions. If you could maybe touch on those and and kind of what they mean to uh the strategy and how they fit and then maybe your appetite for every day just um, you know, where we are with the strata integration and and just where we are and kind of the the cycle. Thank you.
Yeah, we've been very focused on the strata integration and, uh, uh, our coo and I, uh, talk about, uh, the schedule that we are on as far as integrating strata, and we put together a very detailed schedule of synergies that we expected to get out of that. Uh, our largest deal in the history of Knife River, um, 30 60, 90 day, and 180 Day schedule of those synergies. And I'll just tell you that, I've been very pleased at where we're at and the progress and the traction that we get, and we have a and we've done over 90 acquisition. So we have a proven Playbook, uh,
Brian Gray: High Desert has some asphalt plants and some paving that goes along with it. But those projects or those deals, again, are in our wheelhouse. They are deals that they are reflective of every deal that we've done since we've spun. Negotiated deals in a city.Single-digit
The 2 smaller Acquisitions, I mentioned, uh, kte which is in St. Cloud. Uh, uh, Minnesota area also has a quarry and I 984 that would, uh, service, the suburbs of Minneapolis. Um, and then the high desert, uh, uh, Paving operations in Central Oregon. Has both of them are Aggregates based companies uh, High Desert has a, some asphalt plants and some Paving that goes along with it, but those projects are those deals again are in our wheelhouse. They are deals that they are reflective of every deal that we've done since we've spun uh negotiated
Brian Gray: multiple, that are in mid-size, high-growth markets. They infill our existing footprint, they're materials-led, and that we can quickly integrate and capture those synergies. So very excited about those two opportunities, and our pipeline continues to be full. our business development team is out, continually looking at deals, that fit that strategy of ours, and we're going to continue to to grow. very excited about the progress that we've made and look forward to, future announcements.
Deals, uh, and a, a single digit multiple, uh, that are in mid-size. High growth markets. They infill our existing footprint, they're materials LED, uh, and that we can quickly integrate and capture those synergies. So, very excited about those 2 opportunities and our pipeline continues to be full. Uh, our business development team is out, uh, continually looking at deals, uh, that fit that
Operator: All right. Thanks, Brian. it's all great color. I'll pass it on. Good luck.
Strategy of ours. And we're going to continue to to grow uh very excited about the progress that we've made and look forward to Future announcements.
Brian Gray: Thank you.
David Brown: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to accommodate questions from as many callers as possible, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Thank you. And your next question will be from Ian Zaffino at Oppenheimer. Please go ahead, Ian.
All right, thanks, Brian. It's all great color. I'll pass it on. Good luck. Thank you.
Thank you.
Nathan Ring: Hi. Great. Awesome. Thank you very much. You know, question would be, I guess, to return to pricing. How far along are we on the dynamic pricing? You know, if you look at kind of across the portfolio, maybe on a percentage basis, and you know, just given how strong the quarter was as far as pricing, what kind of explains, I guess, the step-down that the guide, even though the guide's raised, you know, it still kind of assumes a little bit of a step-down. So wondering what that was. And then if I was to just sweep in one more is, and it kind of feeds into this, is you know, you throw up the 20% number again.
Ladies and gentlemen, to accommodate questions from as many callers as possible. We ask that you, please limit yourself to 1 question and 1 follow-up. Thank you. And your next question will be from Ian zafino at Oppenheimer, please go ahead and
Hi, great, Austin. Thank you very much. Um, you know, question would be against the return to pricing, um,
how far along are we?
Nathan Ring: You know, how are you thinking about that and getting there as far as either timing and then disorganizing and then just delay the timing of maybe potentially achieving that 20%?
Brian Gray: Yep. So you know, I think on the pricing, as far as where we're at with dynamic pricing, it's a little bit different, like we've talked about in the past. I mentioned that Strata, I mean, we've honored the pricing, and we've not, we're beginning to implement dynamic pricing. But you know, part of our fundamental part of dynamic pricing is that we don't send out the price increase letters. And so when we acquired them in March, we will be at the very beginning process of implementing dynamic pricing throughout Strata. So that's something that's still upside that we'll see next year. But you know, they've got good pricing. It's just a different model. This is more the traditional model, and we'll be moving to dynamic pricing. All the way to, you know, the Northwest region where dynamic pricing came from, they're probably in that eighth or ninth inning.
On uh the dynamic pricing. You know, if you look at kind of across the portfolio maybe in a percentage basis and um you know, just give me a strong, the quarter was as far as pricing. Um what kind of explains I guess the step down that the guide, even though the guy's raised um you know it's still kind of assumes a little bit of a step down so um wondering what what that was. And then if I was to just slip in 1 more, is it kind of feeds into this is you know you throw at the 20% number again you know how you thinking about that and getting there as far as either timing and then just Oregon and then just delay the timing of maybe potentially achieving that 20%. Thanks.
Yep. Um, so, and I think on the pricing.
Brian Gray: And then we've got other segments, other regions, other states. They're still in that second and third as we kind of build out our sales team, do training, implement the new tools that we have, the new software that we've got. But generally speaking, I would say that Knife River, the progress we're making, the traction we're getting with dynamic pricing, the tools that we're putting in place, the dashboards that we are monitoring, I would say that we're 50% of the way there on dynamic pricing. I would say that I'm excited and see the momentum that we are raising our pricing guidance from mid-single up to high single to reflect that traction. But keep in mind, I mean, the first and second quarter are not our biggest quarters.
Pricing. Um, all the way to, you know, the Northwest region where dynamic pricing came from. They're probably in that eighth or ninth inning, and then we've got other segments, other regions, and other states that are still in that second or third, as we kind of build out our sales team to train and implement the new tools that we have, the new software that we've got. Um, but generally speaking, I would say that, uh, Knife River, uh, the progress we're making, the traction we're getting with dynamic pricing, the tools that we're putting in place, the dashboards that we are monitoring, I would say that, uh, we're 50% of the way there on dynamic pricing. I, I would say that I'm excited and see the momentum that we are raising our pricing guidance from mid-single up to high-single to reflect.
Brian Gray: And as we look forward in the third quarter, and as we look at, you know, the central region coming online with more volumes, kind of back to that region mix, those numbers will shift. And as we look at just our, you know, same-source sales, the one product at the same pit, I think high single digits are more reflective than the low double digits that we've seen currently as we look at, you know, the next six months. But those are incredible numbers. I mean, high single digits for pricing is very positive momentum. It's a key pathway for us to get to that 20% flag that you talk about. I mean, a big part of our edge strategy is to continue to increase the percent of our revenue into aggregates and to continue to optimize our pricing and maximize the total EBITDA contribution.
That traction, but keep in mind I mean the first and second quarter or not our biggest quarters and as we look forward in the third quarter and as we look at uh you know the central region coming online with more volumes kind of back to that region mix. Those numbers will shift um and as we look at just our, you know, same Source sales, the the the, the 1 product, at the same pit, I think High single digits is more reflective than the low double digits that we've seen currently, as we look at, uh, you know, the next 6 months, but
Brian Gray: And aggregates is an important part of that. And you can see that in our, you know, largest acquisition to date, Strata. You can see that in KTE and High Desert. We're going to continue to look at those opportunities. And so, Ian, we've identified a number of different paths to get there to 20%. Oregon is a temporary setback, but that's why we are diverse, both geographically and by product lines. We like our strategy, and we can get to 20% with where Oregon is currently at. It ebbs and flows. I mentioned to you, Ian, in the past that I've looked up to the Pacific region, the legacy Pacific, California, Hawaii, Alaska as being one of our North Stars for a long time. And the progress that we're making on our edge strategies and the overall economy in those states, I mean, they've had a fantastic year.
Those are incredible numbers. I mean, the high single digits for pricing is very positive momentum. It's a key. Uh, pathway for us to get to that. 20% flag that you talked about, uh, a big part of our Edge strategy is to continue to increase the percent of our Revenue into Aggregates and to continue to optimize our pricing uh, and maximize the the total iba.com contribution and Aggregates is an important part of that. Uh, and you can see that in our uh, you know, largest acquisition to date. Uh strata. You can see that in kte and high desert, we're going to continue to look at those opportunities. And so,
Brian Gray: If you look at the West segment, I mean, it almost completely overshadows what's going on in Oregon, and that's a very positive thing. So multiple paths to get to 20%. It's a long-term goal that we continue to be focused on. I can tell you that our management team and everybody out in the field at Knife River are laser-focused on all aspects of that edge strategy to get to that long-term 20% goal.
And we've we've identified a number of different paths to get there, uh, to, to 20%. Uh, Oregon is a temporary setback, but that's why we are diverse, uh, both geographically and buy product lines. Uh, we like our strategy, uh, and we can get to 20% with where Oregon is, uh, currently at, uh, at EB and flows. Um, I I mentioned to you, Ian in the past that I've looked up to the Pacific region, the Legacy, Pacific California, Hawaii. Alaska is being 1 of our North Stars for a long time and the progress that we're making on our Edge strategies and the overall economy in those States. Uh, I mean they're they're they've had a fantastic year. If you look at the West,
Nathan Ring: All right. Thank you very much.
Uh, segment. I mean it almost completely overshadows what's going on in Oregon and that's a very positive thing. So, um, multiple paths to get to 20%, it's a long-term goal, uh, that we continue to, uh, be focused on. I can tell you that our management team, uh, and everybody out in the field at night River. Our laser focused on all aspects of that edge strategy to get to that long-term 20% goal.
Brian Gray: Thanks, Ian.
David Brown: Next question will be from Garrett Chamois at Loop Capital Markets. Please go ahead, Garrett.
All right. Thank you very much.
Thanks Ian.
Brian Gray: Oh, hi. Thanks. Sorry if some of these questions are redundant. My call was dropped earlier. But I wanted to follow up on contracting services and just the increase in the number of larger jobs in your backlog. Is that just, you know, something that was opportunistic over the last quarter based on what was coming up for bid? Are you generally seeing larger projects coming up? Maybe there's a makeshift happening, or is it maybe a change in just overall strategy to go after larger projects as opposed to, you know, some of the smaller maintenance work they used to do?
Next question will be from Garrett from what at loop capital markets. Please, go ahead, Derek.
Brian Gray: Yeah, definitely not a change in strategy. I mean, the majority of our backlog continues to be projects less than $5 million. This is really a result of DOTs deciding internally to maybe be more efficient to manage one larger project and, you know, have just one set of, you know, project schedules and contractors on a site. And so we are, I mean, part of that is maybe trying to get a lot of this IAJ money that still, there's, you know, almost 50% of that needs to be spent through the system in these larger projects. And so we are subcontractors on the largest projects that we've taken on. The big job that we have in Texas, it's work that we do. It's asphalt paving and supplying materials. Our risk profile on these projects, I mean, this is something that we've seen coming for a while, Garrett.
Oh hi, thanks. Um sorry if some of these questions are are redundant my call was dropped earlier but I wanted to follow up on Contracting Services and just the increase uh, in the number of larger jobs in your backlog. Um, is that just you know something that was opportunistic uh over the the last quarter uh based on what was coming up for bid. Um are you generally seeing larger projects? Uh coming up maybe there's a mixed shift happening uh or is it maybe a a change in this overall strategy uh to to go after a larger projects? Uh as opposed to, you know, some of the smaller maintenance work, they used to do.
Yeah, definitely not a change in strategy. I mean, um, the majority of our backlog continues to be projects less than 5 million dollars. Um, this is really a result of do's, uh, deciding, uh, internally to maybe more efficient to manage, uh, 1 larger project. Uh, and you know, have just, uh, 1 set of, uh, you know,
Brian Gray: In fact, we've been talking about it probably for the last two or three quarters that we see larger projects being led by DOTs, and we will take a look at those. I mean, we bid some of those as prime contractors, but it's not a different type of work. It's not different risk profiles. It really is the work that we do. The nice thing about it is a multi-year project like this, these large projects, we have the ability to, you know, have price protections and pre-purchase and lock in on our pricing and have escalations built in them. But it's also a secured backlog for the next couple of years on some of these projects. So you did see a shift in the amount of backlog that we burn in any one year down to that about 80% now.
Brian Gray: Okay. That's helpful. Follow-up question is just on the weather impacts and how we should think about your ability to recover the volumes that were delayed from the first half of the year. Should we expect, you know, some of that to bleed into 2026? And also just was hoping you could provide some color on how July has trended, you know, recognizing Texas. There was severe flooding, so you've called that out. But other public aggregates and cement companies have spoken to strong demand so far in July, and I'm wondering if you're seeing a similar rebound in markets where weather has not been an issue.
Work that we do. Uh, the nice thing about it is a multi-year project like this. These large projects, we have the ability to, you know, have price protections and, uh, pre-purchase and lock in on our pricing and have escalations built in them. Uh, but it's also secured backlog for the next couple years on some of these projects. So you did see a shift in the amount of uh backlog that we burn in uh any 1 year uh, down to that about 80% now.
Brian Gray: Yeah, with the exception of our Honey Creek facility that has been shut down for the majority of all of July and continues to be shut down and will be through, you know, part of August, is that the demand is strong. The backlog is there. The demand is strong. But, you know, our weather has been mixed, frankly, in July. And we've had very favorable weather in a large portion of our footprint, but there are still pockets that we continue to get rain. This is the time of year where it's a little bit easier. It dries out faster. It doesn't rain quite as much typically these time of years. So a lot of times there are just, you know, thunderstorms that come through and causing some rain that we can typically work our way through. But the overall demand is strong.
Okay, that's that's helpful. Um, follow-up question is just on the weather impacts and how we should think about your ability to recover. Although, the volume that we're delayed from the first half of the year. Should we expect? You know, some of that to bleed into 2026. And also just was hoping, you could provide some color on, Hudson eye has trended, um, you know, recognizing Texas, there was severe flooding, so you've called that out but other public Aggregates and some of that companies have spoken to strong demands so far in July, and I'm wondering, if you're seeing a similar Rebound in in markets, where weather has not been an issue. Yeah. With the exception of, um, our Hanukkah, uh, facility that has been shut down for the majority of all of July and continues to be shut down. And will be through, you know, part of August, uh, is that the the demand is strong, uh, the backlog is there, uh, the demand is strong.
Brian Gray: And I'm pleased to see with, you know, where we're at on our volumes for July. And I think that's reflective when we put our guide together, you know, for this call for our volumes in all product lines. I think that is reflective. We did take July into consideration for that guidance for the rest of the year.
Brian Gray: Okay. Thanks. I'll leave it there. I appreciate it.
But, you know, our our weather has been mixed, uh, frankly in July. Uh, and we've had very favorable weather in, uh, a large portion of our footprint, but there is still Pockets that we continue to get rain. Um, this is the time of year where it's a little bit easier, it dries out faster. Um, it doesn't rain quite as much typically these time of year, so a lot of times they're just uh you know, thunderstorms that come through and causing some rain that we can typically work our way through, but the overall demand is is strong. Um, and I'm pleased to see with, you know, where we're at, on our volumes for July. And I think that's reflective. When we put our guide together, uh, you know, for this call for our volumes in all product lines. I think that is reflect, we did take July into consideration for that guidance, uh, for the rest of the year.
Brian Gray: Yep.
David Brown: Thank you. Next question will be from Chris Ellinghouse at Seabird William Schenk. Please go ahead, Chris.
Okay. Um, thanks. Um, I'll leave it there. I appreciate it.
Yep.
Brent Thielman: Hi, guys. How are you? Good morning.
Thank you. Next question, will be from Chris ellinghaus at seabird. William shank, please go ahead. Chris,
Brian Gray: Thank you, Chris.
Brent Thielman: Brian, you sort of talked about Oregon and coming back to the legislature. It makes perfect sense that it doesn't aid 2025 very much. But do you expect, you know, sort of Oregon state conditions to revert to normal for 2026?
Hi, guys, how are you? Good morning.
Uh, thank you, Chris. Brian. You, you sort of talked about uh, Oregon and and coming back to the legislature. It's uh, makes perfect sense that it doesn't Aid 2025 very much, but do you expect, you know, sort of Oregon State conditions to
Brian Gray: Yeah, I'm hopeful, Chris. But the reality is, and I mean, typically, you don't pass comprehensive transportation funding in a short special session. I mean, you would, and so I would suspect that there will be some stopgap funding that they accomplish at the special session and that the legislature meets every year in Oregon. And so they'll be back in session again at the beginning of next year. And so I'm more hopeful that they will figure that out. I mean, what I can tell you is, again, that the need is there. I mean, there's an analysis that was done by the DOT that identifies, you know, almost a billion, like $988 million of a shortfall to get the roads and the bridges up to an adequate fair condition.
Revert to normal for 2026.
Yeah, I'm hopeful.
Comprehensive.
Brian Gray: There's a report out there right now that the DOT, the cycle that they're maintaining and replacing bridges is every 900 years. And these bridges were designed to last 50 to 75 years. And so they have to fix this problem. And as you know, Chris, the longer you delay maintaining these infrastructures, the cost of repairs and maintenance just goes up exponentially, requiring more materials. Not good. I'm a taxpayer in Oregon. Not good for a taxpayer, but as a construction material supplier and a contractor that does that type of work, it's going to require even more materials. And so this is not a speculative problem. I think the challenge is finding ways to fund the transportation bill, and they will do that.
Transportation funding, and a short special session. I mean, uh, you would. And so I I would suspect that, um, there will be some stop Gap funding that they accomplished, uh, at the special session and that, uh, the legislature meets every year in Oregon and so they'll be back in session again, at the beginning of next year. Um, and so, I'm more hopeful that they will figure that out. I mean, what I can tell you is again that the the need is there, I mean, uh, there's an analysis that was done by the dot that identifies, um, you know, almost a billion like, 9888 million dollars of a shortfall to get the roads and the bridges up uh, to an adequate fair condition. Um, uh, there's a report out there right now that, uh, the dot the cycle that they're maintaining and replacing Bridges is every 900 years. And these Bridges were designed to last 50 to 75 years. And so they have
Brian Gray: I don't necessarily think they'll do that at the special session at the end of the month, but they will do that, I mean, sooner or later. So how does that impact '26 yet, Chris? I mean, I don't know. I would say I'll know more at the end of this month. We'll update everybody at the next quarterly call, and we'll know more kind of the progress that we're making in Oregon as far as the DOT funding.
Brent Thielman: Okay. Great. That helps. In the quarter, I want to say that Strata kind of gets masked due to the weather impacts. So could you just sort of, it seems like Strata must have been pretty significantly accretive to margins. So can you just sort of talk about what you saw from Strata in the second quarter and, you know, how did it match up versus your sort of expectations?
As far as DOT funding,
Okay, great that helps um, in the quarter. Uh, I I want to say that, uh, strata kind of gets masked due to the weather impacts.
Brian Gray: Yeah. I mean, other than the impact they had to weather, and there was absolutely an impact to Strata from weather, but everything else that we're seeing with the integration, with their sales volumes, I mean, it's right on plan. And that's why we're maintaining the guidance for Strata to continue to contribute that $45 million that's baked into our guide going forward. And so the revision to our guide does not, there is no negative impact. And frankly, if you look at our range within our guide, I would say that one of the ways we hit the upside, the high end of that range, is we are excited at what we're seeing at the Strata acquisition. There's nothing there that has been alarming. There's no surprises.
So could you just sort of it? It seems like strata must have been pretty significantly a creative to margin so you could, can you just sort of talk about what you saw from Strata in the second quarter? And you know, how did it match up versus your sort of expectations?
Yeah. I mean other than uh the impact they had to weather and there was absolutely an impact uh, 2 strata from weather. But everything else that we're seeing with the integration uh, with their sales volumes. I mean it's right on plan and that's why we're maintaining the guidance for strata to continue to contribute that 45 uh million dollars. That's baked into our guide going forward. And so the revision to our guide
Brian Gray: We can't control the weather, but what we, you know, we can control our pricing, our bid room strategies of, you know, quality over quantity. All of the edge principles, they've embraced those principles at Strata, and it's going, it's on track, Chris. I would just say that it's on track.
Um, that does not. Uh, there is no negative, uh, impact. And frankly, if you look at our range within our guide, I would say that, uh, one of the ways we hit the upside, uh, the high end of that range is, we are excited about what we're seeing at the Strata acquisition. There's nothing there that has been alarming. Uh, there are no surprises. We can't control the weather, but what we, you know, can control, um, our pricing, uh, our...
Brent Thielman: Okay. Can I sneak in one really quick question? Are you guys working on the Micron projects in Idaho?
Bid, uh, room, um, strategies of, you know, quality over quantity, all of the edge principles. They've embraced those principles at, uh, strata and it's going, it's on track Chris. I just say that it's, it's, it's on track.
Brian Gray: There are probably some opportunities for us. We are in conversations as they continue to look at, you know, getting that project back on track. And so I would say that we are in conversations with the team at Micron.
Okay, can I sneak in one really quick question? Are you guys working on the Micron projects in Idaho?
Um,
There are probably some opportunities for us. We are in conversations as they continue to look at.
Brent Thielman: Okay. Great. Thanks a bunch. Appreciate it.
You know, we're getting that project back on track. I would say that we are in conversations with the team at Micron.
Brian Gray: Yep.
David Brown: Next question will be from Gabe Ashday at Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead, Gabe.
Okay, great. Thanks a bunch. Appreciate it.
Yep.
Trey Grooms: Brian and Nathan, good morning.
Next question will be from Gabe. Ash day at Wells, Fargo Securities, please go ahead, Gabe.
Brian Gray: Morning.
Trey Grooms: It's three questions. One is, and I know there's been a lot of airtime on Oregon, and maybe unfair to ask it this way, but can you kind of give us, for this, at a state level, what it's down or what you're projecting it to be down that's embedded in your guidance year over year? And if nothing changes as it relates to funding, perhaps what that kind of, you know, the run rate into 2026, you know, have we seen all the, I'll call it max pain, or would there be something in Q1 that would come out of it? I'm assuming not much because of the seasonality of the business.
Uh, Brian and Nathan, good morning.
Good morning, 3 3, 3 questions 1 is and I know there's been a lot of their time on Oregon, um, and, and maybe unfair to ask it this way, but can you kind of give us um, for the at a state level? What it's down or what you're projecting it to be down? That's embedded in your guidance um year-over-year.
And if nothing changes as it relates to funding, perhaps, um, what that kind of, you know, the run rate into 2026, you know, have we seen all the...
Brian Gray: Yeah. You know, we don't provide individual state guidance, and I probably won't do that here, Gabe. What I can tell you is that if you look at our variance, the negative variance year over year for the quarter, for the first half of this year, and the update to our guidance, the $55 million reduction in the guidance that we've said that more than 50% of that variance for the quarter, for the year, into the guide is directly related to what's going on in Oregon. I think there's too many unknowns at this point in time to start speculating what's going to go on in 2026. I can tell you that the list of projects that we have that are on hold, the majority of those, all but one, are still on hold. They've not been canceled.
I'll call it Max Payne, or would there be something in Q1 that would come out of it? I'm assuming not much because of the seasonality of the business.
Yeah. You know, we don't provide individual State guidance and I, I, I probably won't do that here. Uh, Gabe. What I can tell you, is that, um, if you look at our variance, uh, the negative variance, uh, year-over-year for the quarter,
For the first half of this year,
And the update to our guidance.
Brian Gray: And so I think, you know, we'll know more in three months, and certainly, we'll update everybody as far as the progress, you know, on where we're at in Oregon. But I think that's the best way of looking at the impact to Oregon. And keep in mind, they have industry, you know, they have the highest margins within all of Knife River. There's a lot of very good things that are going on. They are very well equipped in Oregon to deal with the headwinds there. I can tell you that that management team is right-sizing their crews, their equipment. We're mobilizing both crews and equipment to other parts of the company to try to keep people busy. We are managing our way through this temporary short-term headwind that we have in Oregon.
The 55 million reduction in the guidance that we've said that more than 50% of that variance for the quarter for the year and to the guide is directly related to what's going on in Oregon. Uh, I think there's too many unknowns at this point in time to start speculating on, what's going to go on in 2026. I can tell you that the list of projects that we have that are on hold the majority of those all. But 1 are still on hold, they've not been canceled. Um, and so I think, you know, we'll know more in 3 months and certainly we'll update, uh, everybody as far as the progress, uh, you know, on where we're at in Oregon. But I I think that's the best way of looking at the impact, uh, to Oregon and keep in mind, um, they have industry, you know, they have the highest margins uh uh within all of Knife River, uh, there's a lot of very good things that are going on.
Trey Grooms: Well, I would expect nothing less. You guys are dynamic folks.
On. They are very well equipped in Oregon to deal with the, the headwinds there. Uh, I can tell you that that management team is uh, right sizing their Crews, their equipment. We're mobilizing, uh, both Crews and equipment to other parts, uh, of the company to try to keep, uh, people busy. Uh, we are managing our way through this temporary short-term, uh, headwind that we have in in Oregon.
Brian Gray: Thank you.
Trey Grooms: Interesting commentary on the backlogs. You mentioned, I think, putting $650 million into the backlog. I'm assuming that was during the second quarter. It was up $250 million. So again, I'm just mathematically, that would assume you put $400 million into your backlog in the second quarter of '24. So maybe confirming in nature of a question. Was Strata in that already given timing of when you closed it? Would it have a material impact on backlog? And then can you talk about maybe just geographically where some of that, you know, that incremental $250 million is sitting?
I would expect nothing less. You guys are dynamic folks.
It was up $250 million. Um, so again, just mathematically, that would assume you put $000 million into your backlog in the second quarter of '24. So maybe confirming in the nature of a question, was Strata in that already? Given the timing of when you closed, would it have a material impact on backlog?
Brian Gray: Yeah. So there is no backlog from Strata back in Q2 of last year. And so that would all be incremental. You know, it's somewhere in that $50, $60 million of backlog that we had some Strata that we added to our overall backlog. And so the majority of what we picked up, the gain, you know, the $250 million increase year over year, you're right. You did the math right. We had very close to, we gained $400 million in backlog last year. This year, we secured $650 million of new backlog. And so, I said that right? Yeah.
Um, and then can you talk about maybe just geographically where some of that, you know, that incremental $250 million is sitting?
Yeah. Um, so
Trey Grooms: Yes.
Brian Gray: And so a lot of that came from some larger projects, two of them down in Texas, one in Idaho. We secured a nice job down at Conley Pacific, down in Southern California. I mean, really, it's across the board. If you look at the states that we operate in, they all have very strong DOT funding. And so there's a lot of opportunities for us to continue to pick up backlog. And I think one of the upsides, and again, in our guide, is oftentimes this is the time of year where we'll start seeing some late jobs come out. The good news for us is we've got capacity to take on more backlog. And so we'll continue to look at those opportunities to continue to add more backlog. But it really came from some across all of our footprint.
There is no backlog uh from Strata back in 2 Q of last year and so that would all be incremental. Um you know, it it's somewhere in that 5060 million dollars of backlog that we had some strata that we added to our overall backlog. And so the majority of what we picked up the game, um, you know, the 250 million, 250, million dollar increase year-over-year. You're right. You did the math, right? That we had very close to we gained uh, 400 million dollars in backlog. Last year this year we secured 650 million of new backlog. Uh, uh, and so, um,
I said that right? Yes. Uh, and so, uh,
A lot of that, um, came from some larger projects—two of them down in Texas and one in Idaho. Uh, we secured a nice job down at Conley Pacific, uh, down in Southern California. I mean, really it's across the board. If you look at the states that we operate in, uh, they all have very strong DOT funding and so, um, there's a lot of opportunities for us to continue to pick up backlog. And, uh,
Brian Gray: It came from some larger projects that we picked up down in Texas and Idaho. And then a portion of that did come from Strata.
Trey Grooms: Okay. And last one, I may have missed it. There's a lot going on this quarter, and you threw out a lot of numbers. The Strata acquisition around $450 million. I think you said $675 million between the other two acquisitions that you've done and maybe some strategic capital. So I just want to make sure I heard you correctly. And if I did my math right on these other two deals, is that adding on an annualized basis another $20 million to $25 million of EBITDA?
I think 1 of the upsides. And again, in our guide is oftentimes, this is the time of year where we'll start seeing some late jobs come out. The good news for us is we've got capacity to take on more backlog, um, and so we'll continue to look at those opportunities to continue to add more backlog, but it really came from some across all of our footprint. Uh, it came from some larger projects that we picked up, uh, down in Texas and Idaho. Uh, and then a portion of that did come from Strata.
Okay? And, and last 1, um, I may have missed it there. There's a lot going on this quarter and you throw out a lot of numbers, um, the Strat acquisition around 450 million. I think you said,
Brian Gray: Yeah, I'll let Nathan take on that question for us.
675 between the other 2 Acquisitions that you've done and and maybe some strategic Capital. So I just want to make sure I heard you correctly. And if I did my math, right on these other 2 deals, um, is that adding on an annualized basis, another 20 to 25 million of of ebitda.
Nathan Ring: Yeah. Gabe, good to hear from you. So from the standpoint of what kind of capital have we invested on the acquisition side? And I'll put that entirely into the growth bucket. So for the course of the year, Strata was the largest piece. As you noted, $454 million was the announced purchase price. We've done other acquisitions since then. So the total is $620 million through the year. That's through June that we have spent on growth projects. That's acquisitions. That's growth reserve replacements and organic projects that we have going on elsewhere. We have another $50 million that we're looking at for the remainder of the year that relates to an organic project that we have. So if you want to put that whole growth bucket together for 2025, we're looking at $670 million that would be related to that.
Yeah, I'll let uh Nathan uh take on that. Uh, question for us. Yeah, Gabe. Good to hear from you. So from the standpoint of what kind of capital have we invested on the acquisition side and I'll put that entirely into the growth bucket. So for the course of the Year strata was the largest please. Uh as you noted. 454 million was the announced purchase price we've done other Acquisitions since then. So the total is 620 million.
Nathan Ring: And then on the maintenance capital, if you want to put the whole capital piece together, we spent about $111 million on maintenance capital. And just like in the past, this year is the same thing. We're anticipating that our maintenance capital expenditures would be 5% to 7% of revenue. So those two pieces, Gabe, would give you an idea of how much we have going invested into the company. And then remember, along with that, we did take on $500 million of Term Loan B to help fund the Strata acquisition. The rest is funded with internal sources of cash. And so I know you're probably looking at the net leverage, wondering if we've got a limitation there.
Through the year, that's through June, we have spent on growth projects – that's acquisitions, growth reserves, replacements, and organic projects that we have going on elsewhere. We have another $50 million that we're looking at for the remainder of the year that relates to an organic project that we have. So if you want to put that whole growth bucket together for 2025, we're looking at $670 million.
And then on the maintenance Capital, if you want to put the whole Capital piece together. Uh, we spend about 111 million on maintenance capital and just like in the past, uh, this year is the same thing. We're anticipating that our maintenance Capital expenditures would be 5 to 7% of Revenue.
Nathan Ring: But as we move to the rest of the year and take on the EBITDA as we announced with the midpoint of our guidance and pay off the revolver, we'll be in a net leverage position compared to EBITDA, probably close to two, leaving additional capacity for us to pursue other acquisitions, greenfield projects this year and into next year. Does that help, Gabe?
Brian Gray: It does. Thank you.
So, those two pieces, Gabe would give you an idea of how much we have invested into the company. And then remember, along with that, we did take on $500 million of Term Loan B to help fund the Strat acquisition. The rest is funded with internal sources of cash. And so, I know you're probably looking at the net leverage, wondering if we've got a limitation there. But as we move through the rest of the year and take on the IBA, as we announced with the midpoint of our guidance, paying off the revolver will put us in a net leverage position compared to EBITDA—I'll probably be close to 2, leaving additional capacity for us to pursue other acquisitions and Greenfield projects this year and into next year.
To help Gabe.
Nathan Ring: Thanks, Gabe.
It does. Thank you.
David Brown: Our last question comes from Ivan Lee at Wolf Research. Please go ahead, Ivan.
Thanks Gabe.
Ivan Lee: Good morning, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in. Going back to the cadence of guidance, how much revenue in EBITDA are you expecting in 3Q versus 4Q? Just want to see if we should assume anything outside of normal seasonality there.
Our last question comes from Ivan G. at Wolf Research. Please, go ahead, Ivan.
Good morning, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in.
Nathan Ring: Yeah, we have a, what is it? We've got a seasonality chart that we take a look at. And so within the first two quarters, we're generally, and I'll take a look at it in terms of EBITDA and revenues, relatively close to that. We're probably around 20, for both first quarter and second quarter, about 20% of our revenue on EBITDA comes from that quarter. And then close to 80% almost of our EBITDA comes in that third quarter timeframe with the remainder coming in the first quarter. And so on a revenue basis, that third quarter is close to 40% of our revenue. And then on an EBITDA basis, about 56% of our EBITDA comes in that third quarter. Does that help? I'll kind of go through again. So in other words, yeah, for the remainder of the year, we're probably looking at close to 60%.
Going back to the cadence of guidance. How much revenue do you need? Are you expecting it in Q3 versus Q4? I just want to see if we should assume anything outside of normal seasonality there.
Yeah, we have a did what is it? We've got a seasonality chart that we take a look at. And So within the first
Time frame with the remainder coming in the first quarter. And so, on a revenue basis, uh, that third quarter,
is close to 40% of our revenue, and then on the IBA basis, about 56% of our IBA comes in that third quarter.
Nathan Ring: I'll say it this way. For the rest of the year, we're looking at about 60% of our revenue coming in the third and fourth quarter. That's our historical, you know, curve line. And then for EBITDA, it's probably closer to, you know, 70% of that. And then with the seasonality changes we've got here, it's probably a little bit higher than what it's been historically with the addition of Strata and Albina.
Does that help? I'll kind of go through it again. For the remainder of the year, we're probably looking at close to 60%. I'll say it this way: for the rest of the year, we're looking at about 60% of our revenue coming in the third and fourth quarters. That's our historical.
Ivan Lee: That's very helpful. And then lastly, can you discuss how roughly transportation costs are trending? Also, roughly what percent of your shipments are moved on trucks versus rails? Just want to see which modes are seeing greater pricing increases right now. Thank you so much.
You know, the curved line for Eva is probably closer to, you know, 70% of that change. And then with the seasonality changes we've got here, it's probably a little bit higher than what it's been historically with the addition of Strat and Albina.
That's very helpful. And then, lastly,
Nathan Ring: Yeah. Yeah, I can take the overall cost piece of that, and then we can get into the transportation component. I would say on the whole, our cost structure, when you're taking a look, whether it's labor, trucking, equipment, getting to energy, on the whole, those are probably mid-single-digit increases year over year as far as the inputs. What you might be looking at on the other side, though, is, okay, wait a minute, your cost per unit is going up. That really is a reflection of lower volumes on fixed cost components. And so even though our input costs are mid-single digits, we've got lower volumes. And we did talk a little bit about weather, and that does impact our efficiencies to some degree. And so you can imagine working in the rain is not as cost-effective as working in dry weather.
Can you discuss how roughly transportation costs are trending? Also, roughly what percent of your shipments are moved on trucks versus rails? Just want to see which modes are seeing greater pricing increases right now.
Thank you so much. Yeah.
Yeah, I can take the overall cost piece of that, and then we can get into the transportation component. I would say, on the whole, our cost structure, when you're taking a look, whether it's labor, trucking, or equipment, is well organized.
Nathan Ring: And then along with that, we did continue to have some pre-production costs. So on the whole, input costs still sitting around that mid-single digits for the quarter. And I'd say this is temporary. Our costs per units are higher as far as our production costs. Is it specifically relates to transportation?
Get into energy on the whole. Those are probably mid single digit increases year-over-year as far as the inputs. Uh, what you might be looking at, on the other side though is okay, wait a minute, your cost per unit is going up. That really is a reflection of the lower volumes on on fixed cost components. And so even though our input costs are mids single digits we've got lower volumes, and we did talk a little bit about whether and that that does impact our efficiencies to some degree. And so, you can imagine working in the rain, is not as cost-effective as working in dry weather and then along with that we did continue to have some pre-production costs. So on the whole
Brian Gray: Yeah, I mean, the majority of our material is still delivered by truck. I mean, we do a fair amount of rail in Texas. We do railing operations in Oregon. We've got rail up in Alaska. And, you know, the exciting thing about Strata, adding Strata, is they move a lot of their aggregates by rail. They've had a very good strategy on rail for years. And so those rail movements will continue to increase, but right now, the majority of our material is delivered by trucking.
Ivan Lee: Thank you so much.
Input cost still sitting around that mid single digits for the quarter and I say this is temporary. Our cost per units are are higher. As far as our production costs, is it specifically relates to Transportation? Yeah, I mean, the majority of our material is still delivered by truck. I mean, we do a fair amount of, uh, rail, uh, and Texas. We do railing, uh, operations in Oregon. We've got rail up in Alaska. And, you know, the exciting thing about strata adding strata is they move a lot of their Aggregates by rail. They've had a, a very good strategy on rail for years and so that those rail movements will continue to uh, increase. But right now, the majority of our material is delivered by Trucking.
David Brown: Thank you. And at this time, I would like to turn the call back over to Brian Gray.
Thank you so much.
Brian Gray: Yeah, I'd just like to thank you all again for joining us today. Our second quarter was largely impacted by factors out of our control, but we continue to make good progress on our edge initiatives and believe we are well-positioned to grow our company and deliver long-term value for our shareholders. We appreciate the interest and support, and we'll now turn the call back over to the operator. Thank you.
Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the call back over to Brian Gray.
David Brown: Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending. And at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines.
Yeah, I just like to thank you all again for joining us today. Our second quarter was largely impacted by factors out of our control, but we continue to make good progress on our Edge initiatives and believe we are well positioned to grow our company and deliver long-term value for our shareholders, we appreciate the interest and support and will now turn the call back over to the operator. Thank you.
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