Q2 2025 Avis Budget Group Inc Earnings Call

David Calabria: Greetings and welcome to Avis Budget Group's second quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Mr. David Calabria, Senior Vice President, Corporate Finance and Treasurer for Avis Budget Group. Thank you. You may begin.

Greetings and welcome to Avis Budget Group's second quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation.

If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad.

As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Mr. David Calabria.

Daniel Cunha: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On the call with me are Brian Choi, our Chief Executive Officer, and Daniel Cunha, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that we will be discussing forward-looking information, including potential future financial performance, which is subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements and information. Such risks and assumptions, uncertainties, and other factors are identified in our earnings release and our periodic filings with the SEC, as well as the investor relations section on our website. Accordingly, forward-looking statements should not be relied upon as a prediction of actual results, and any or all of our forward-looking statements may prove to be inaccurate, and we make no guarantee about our future performance. We undertake no obligation to update or revise our forward-looking statements.

Senior, vice president, corporate finance and treasurer for Avis, Budget Group. Thank you. You may begin.

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us on the call. With me are Brian Choi, our chief executive officer and Daniel Pune, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that we will be discussing forward-looking information, including potential future financial performance, which is subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements and information.

Daniel Cunha: On this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our earnings press release, which is available on our website, for how we define these measures and reconciliations to the closest comparable GAAP measures. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Brian.

Such risks and assumptions uncertainties and other factors are identified in our earnings relief and our periodic filings with the SEC, as well as the investor relations section on our website. Accordingly, forward-looking statements should not be relied upon as a prediction of actual results and any or all of our forward-looking statements may prove to be an accurate. And we make no guarantee about our future performance. We undertake no obligation to update or revise our forward-looking statements

On this call, we will discuss certain non-gaap Financial measures. Please refer to our earnings press release which is available on our website for how we Define these measures and reconciliations to the closest comparable, gaap measures with that. I'd like to turn the call over to Brian.

Brian Choi: Thanks, David, and thank you to everyone joining us today for our second quarter earnings call. It's great to be back and to have the opportunity to regularly connect with our investor community. Let me start by introducing Daniel Cunha, our new Chief Financial Officer, who joined us on July 1st. Daniel started his career as a management consultant, became an investment professional in private equity, and finally settled in on the operational side as a CFO for two companies prior to joining Avis. He's a strategic thinker with real operating chops, and we're thrilled to have him on the team. Daniel's less than a month in, so to the analysts on this call, please don't scare him off during Q&A. We have high hopes for him here. We're taking a slightly different approach with these calls going forward.

Thanks David and thank you to everyone joining us today for our second quarter earnings call.

It's great to be back and to have the opportunity to regularly connect with our investor community.

let me start by introducing Daniel kuna, our new Chief Financial Officer who joined us on July 1st,

Daniel started his career as a Management Consultant, became an investment, professional in private equity, and finally settled in, on the operational side as a CFO for 2 companies, prior to joining Avis,

he's a strategic thinker with real operating chops, and we're thrilled to have him on the team.

Daniels less than a month in. So, to the analysts on this call, please don't scare him off during Q&A. We have high hopes for him here.

Brian Choi: You may have noticed we issued a financial supplement alongside our usual earnings release yesterday. That document includes the key highlights and financial details we would typically cover during this call. You all know the format we followed in the past. This segment grew this much for an X percent increase. That line item moved slightly from here to there. But let's be honest, you can do the math. You don't need me to go through a roll call of data points. There's a better way for us to use this hour. So today, I'd like to elevate the conversation. Let's move beyond the myopic month-to-month trends and instead focus on where we're taking Avis Budget Group. What opportunities are we prioritizing? Where are we investing resources? How does this all fit into our broader strategic vision?

We're taking a slightly different approach with these calls going forward; you may have noticed. We issued a financial supplement alongside our usual earnings release yesterday.

You all know the format we followed in the past this segment, grew this much for an X percent increase that line item moves slightly from here to there. But let's be honest, you can do the math, you don't need me to go through a roll call of data points. There's a better way for us to use this hour.

So today, I'd like to elevate the conversation.

Let's move beyond the myopic month-to-month trends and instead focus on where we're taking August Budget Group.

Brian Choi: These are the questions that truly determine whether a company is expanding its moat or simply treading water. To be clear, we fully recognize the importance of consistent financial execution. Delivering on quarterly results is foundational. The sound of the cash register ringing consistently is what buys you the right to take a long-term vision. But meeting our financial expectations should be table stakes. The results of our operational performance should largely speak for itself with minimal interpretation or story to spin. I believe that's the case this quarter. So let's spend this time instead getting into how we're thinking about growth and opportunities at Avis. Let's clarify something, though. Cyclical growth and opportunity come as the macroeconomic winds blow. Structural growth and opportunity, though, that comes from value-creating innovation. Avis Budget Group has been around for 75 years.

What opportunities are we prioritizing? Where are we investing resources? How does this all fit into our broader strategic vision?

These are the questions that truly determine whether a company is expanding its mode or simply treading water.

To be clear, we fully recognize the importance of consistent Financial execution.

Delivering on quarterly results is foundational.

The sound of the cash register ringing consistently is what buys you the right to take a long-term vision.

The meeting, our financial expectations should be table Stakes.

The results of our operational performance. Should largely speak for itself with minimal interpretation or story to spin.

I believe that's the case this quarter.

So, let's spend this time instead, getting into how we're thinking about growth and opportunities at Avis.

Let's clarify something though.

Cyclical growth and opportunity comes as the macroeconomic winds blow.

Structural growth and opportunity though that comes from value creating innovation.

Brian Choi: If we want to be an enduring franchise for the next 75 years, we must take on value-creating innovation as a core responsibility today. A responsibility to our customers who deserve better services that aren't just reliable but exceptional. A responsibility to our teams who need new tools and technology that empower their visibility and productivity. And a responsibility to our industry overall to grow the size of the pie instead of jostling year to year for a slightly bigger slice. These aren't abstract fortune cookie phrases to us. We're putting this commitment to practice, and we're doing it now. Let me provide a tangible example of this by introducing you to Avis First. Avis First is our new premium product offering that defines what first class is for car rental. What does that mean? Well, picture this.

Avis. Budget Group has been around for 75 years if we want to be an enduring franchise for the next 75 years we must take on value. Creating Innovation as a core responsibility today.

a responsibility to our customers who deserve better services that aren't just reliable but exceptional,

A responsibility to our teams who need new tools and technology that Empower their visibility and productivity.

And a responsibility to our industry. Overall, to grow the size of the pie, instead of jostling year to year for a slightly bigger slice.

These aren't abstract. Fortune. Cookie phrases to us, we're putting this commitment to practice and we're doing it now.

Let me provide a tangible example of this by introducing you to Avis first.

Avis. First is our new premium product offering that defines what first class is for car rental. What does that mean?

Brian Choi: You arrive at the airport, grab your bag, walk out the door, and find an Avis First concierge is already there waiting for you. He comes over to take your bag, hand you a bottle of water, and walk you all of eight steps to get to the car at the curb. It's exactly what you asked for: latest model year and low mileage with that new car smell. It's 90 degrees and humid outside, but it's a crisp 68 degrees in your car because it's been preconditioned with the air on and the seat coolers running. The concierge makes sure that your phone's Bluetooth connects seamlessly, and the CarPlay screen pops up on the dash with your map and playlist ready to go. Before you leave, he reminds you to save yourself the hassle of filling up the tank.

Well, picture, this you arrive at the airport, grab your bag, walk out the door and find an Avis. First, concierge is already there waiting for you.

He comes over to take your bag hand, you a bottle of water and walk you all of 8 steps to get to the car at the curb.

It's exactly what you asked for latest model year and low mileage. With that new car smell.

It's 90° and humid outside but it's a crisp 68° in your car because it's been preconditioned with the air on and the seat coolers running.

The concierge, make sure that your phone's Bluetooth connects seamlessly and the carplay screen pops up on the dash with your map and playlist ready to go.

Brian Choi: We only charge for the gas you use at pump rates, so just drop the car off curbside with your concierge and walk into the terminal when your trip is over. You chuckle a bit, remembering the last time you were at this airport and went with the ride hail option. Having to meander through a maze of walkways, elevators, and parking garages, eventually going halfway back that odyssey to meet your driver with whom you've been furiously texting. You realize now there's a better answer. First class doesn't have to end at the gate if you rent Avis First. This isn't just a new business line. It's a category-defining product for the rental car industry. Historically, our sector has leaned solely on brand segmentation. Avis, Hertz, and National is premium. Budget, Enterprise, and Alamo is mid-tier. Dollar and Thrifty is value. Payless, Fox, and others is low cost.

Before you leave. He reminds you to save yourself. The hassle of filling up, the tank. We only charge for the gas. You use at pump rates so just drop the car off. Curbside with your concierge and walk into the terminal when your trip is over.

You chuckle a bit. Remembering the last time you were at this airport and went with the right heel option.

Having to meander through a maze of walkways elevators and parking garages. Eventually going halfway back that Odyssey to meet your driver with whom you've been furiously texting.

You realize now there's a better answer.

First class doesn't have to end at the gate if you rent Avis. First.

This isn't just a new business line. It's a category defining product for the rental car industry.

Historically, our sector has leaned solely on brand segmentation.

Brian Choi: But within those brands, the actual product experience is highly variable. That's no longer acceptable. Today's traveler is more discerning. Brand alone isn't enough. Customers expect clear, differentiated offerings within a brand, just like they do when they're flying. Everyone knows Delta is more premium than EasyJet, but Delta customers also understand the difference between Main Cabin, Comfort Plus, First Class, and now Delta One. The airline industry figured out that the post-COVID traveler is happy to pay more for certainty, for quality, and for experience. It's not just about the lowest price. It's about the value received. Avis First addresses that expectation head-on. And while a first-class flight from New York to LA can cost thousands of dollars more than an economy flight, an Avis First upgrade per day costs as much as a couple of Starbucks lattes.

Avis. Herds and National is premium budget. Enterprise and Alamo is mid-tier dollar. And Thrifty is value, pay less Fox and others is low cost.

But within those Brands, the actual product experience is highly variable.

That's no longer acceptable.

Today's Traveller is more discerning.

Brand alone isn't enough.

Customers expect clear, differentiated offerings within a brand, just like they do when they're flying.

Everyone knows Delta is more premium than EasyJet. But Delta customers also understand the difference between main cabin Comfort plus first class and now Delta 1

The airline industry figured out that the postco traveler is happy to pay more for certainty for quality and for experience.

It's not just about the lowest price.

It's about the value received.

Avis. First addresses that expectation head on?

Brian Choi: That's why I firmly believe that you can fly any class but always drive first class with Avis First. Our customers are the same customers as the Uniteds and Hiltons of the world. It's already been proven that if you build a premium product, they will come. Airlines have done it. Hotels have done it. Why haven't we? And I don't mean we as in Avis Budget. I mean, why has nobody in the rental car industry tried to offer this first-class experience in terms of both vehicle and service? The short answer is because it's hard. Your fleet has to be connected, and you need to coordinate between work groups spread out across acres of an airport. The only way to operationalize this is to enable the field with best-in-class technology that's purpose-built for newly structured processes that are tailored airport by airport. And that's exactly what we did.

New York to LA can cost thousands of dollars more than an economy flight, and Ava's first upgrade per day costs as much as a couple of Starbucks lattes.

That's why I firmly believe that you can fly any class, but always drive first class, with Avis first.

Our customers are the same customers as the United's in Hiltons of the world.

It's already been proven that if you build a premium product, they will come.

Airlines have done. It hotels. Have done it. Why haven't we?

And I don't mean we as an Avis budget, I mean, why has nobody in the rental car industry, tried to offer this first class experience in terms of both vehicle and service.

The short answer is because it's hard.

Your fleet has to be connected and you need to coordinate between work groups, spread out across Acres of an airport.

The only way to operationalize this is to enable the field with best-in-class technology. That's purpose-built for newly structured processes that are tailored airport by airport.

Brian Choi: New work groups, new technology, new processes. If the consumer is paying for a seamless experience, we can't afford to deliver anything less. The behind-the-scenes lift to pull this off is substantial, but we've thoughtfully put in the work to bring this to life. I believe this is the single most innovative product our industry has seen in 20 years. And while we're creating and defining this category, I do expect others to follow. And honestly, we welcome it. Our aim is to set a new standard that elevates the entire industry and increases its overall revenue and profit pools. Car rental is a mission-critical piece of the travel ecosystem, and we need to evolve alongside the airline and hotel participants in the industry to service our shared customer. It's the only way to escape the vicious cycle of solely competing on price.

And that's exactly what we did.

New work groups, new technology, new processes.

If the consumer is paying for a seamless experience, we can't afford to deliver anything less.

The behind-the-scenes lift to pull this off is substantial, but we've thoughtfully put in the work to bring this to life.

I believe this is the single most Innovative product our industry has seen in 20 years.

And while we're creating and defining this category, I do expect others to follow, and honestly, we welcome it.

Our aim is to set a new standard that elevates the entire industry and increases its overall revenue and profit pools.

car rental is a mission critical piece of the travel ecosystem and we need to evolve alongside the airline and hotel participants in the industry to service our shared customer

Brian Choi: It's also a way to win back some of the share that has been lost to ride hail. How many of you decide to just call a car because you don't want to deal with the bussing or the air tram? With Avis First, you get all that convenience and more with none of the awkward chit-chat from your Lyft driver. By further segmenting our customer base beyond the binary Avis or budget, we can service a demand that we know exists. We can provide a higher-value product, and we can grow the overall size of the industry. That's what we're delivering. The price is slightly higher, but you receive so much more in return that it becomes a no-brainer that Avis First is the best value proposition in the rental car industry. You don't need to take my word for it.

It's the only way to escape the vicious cycle of solely competing on price.

It's also a way to win back some of the share that has been lost to ride hill.

How many of you decide to just call a car because you don't want to deal with the busing or the air tram?

With Avis first, you get all that convenience and more with none of the awkward chitchat from your Lyft driver.

By further segmenting, our customer base, beyond the binary Avis or budget. We can service a demand that we know exists.

We can provide a higher value product, and we can grow the overall size of the industry.

That's what we're delivering.

The price is slightly higher, but you receive so much more in return that it becomes a no-brainer that Ava's first is the best value proposition in the rental car industry.

Brian Choi: Avis First is live in over a dozen locations today, and we're planning on over 50 markets being operational by the end of the year. If you find yourself going to airports like Denver or Palm Beach, or if you want to get out of Manhattan in the summer and prefer to have your rental car meet you at your apartment, why not give Avis First a try? Now, to the members of our team who are listening to this, I just want to say game on. It's out there in the open now, so let's show the world what excellence in our industry means with Avis First. Let's shift gears now and talk about another example of innovation that we're excited about. I wanted to provide more context around our recently announced partnership with Waymo in Dallas.

We don't need to take my word for it: Avis is live in over a dozen locations today.

And we're planning on over 50 markets, being operational by the end of the year.

If you find yourself going to airports like Denver or Palm Beach, or if you want to get out of Manhattan in the summer and prefer to have your rental car. Meet you at your apartment, why not give Avis first to try?

now, to the members of our team who are listening to this, I just want to say game on

It's out there in the open now. So let's show the world. What excellence in our industry means with Avis first

let's shift gears now and talk about another example of innovation that we're excited about,

I wanted to provide more context around our recently announced partnership with whmo in Dallas.

Brian Choi: I've been following the mobility ecosystem closely for nearly two decades, both as an investor and an operator. And while autonomous ride hail may seem a world apart from traditional car rental, I've always believed that Avis had the potential to be a central player in this space. Now, I'll admit this isn't immediately obvious to everyone. When you break down the value chain of autonomous vehicles, it's software and hardware that come to mind. Clearly, Avis is not developing the code base to create a driverless system, and we're also not manufacturing the vehicles to power that technology. But in a world where that software can be licensed and that hardware can be purchased, the asset management aspect of the value chain gains much more importance. AV ride hail isn't just dealing with the zeros and ones of digital logic.

I've been following the mobility ecosystem closely for nearly two decades, both as an investor and an operator. And while autonomous ride hail may seem a world apart from traditional car rental, I've always believed that Avis had the potential to be a central player in this space.

now I'll I'll admit

This isn't immediately obvious to everyone.

When you break down the value, chain of autonomous vehicles, its software and Hardware that comes to mind.

Clearly, Avis is not developing the codebase to create a driverless system.

And we're also not manufacturing the vehicles to power that technology.

but,

In a world where software can be licensed and hardware can be purchased.

The asset management aspect of the value chain, gains much more importance.

Brian Choi: These are heavy assets that need to be professionally deployed and managed at scale. AVs are electric, so they need to be charged daily with a network of L3 stations. AVs require maintenance of cameras, sensors, and fluids, which need to be performed regularly by expert technicians. In order to minimize rider wait time, AVs need to be positioned at travel-optimized nodes, either in city center or at the airport. AVs aren't cheap. Being able to finance billions of dollars a fleet with the best advance rates and the best interest rates, that becomes a competitive advantage. And lastly, AVs may be everywhere in the coming years, but I can guarantee you that into the future, no matter how advanced the technology gets, it is a mathematical certainty that someone will always leave a half-eaten granola bar in the cup holder.

Ave right? Hill isn't just dealing with the zeros and ones of digital logic. These are heavy assets that need to be professionally deployed and managed at scale.

AVS are electric, so they need to be charged daily with the network of L3 stations.

AVS require maintenance of cameras sensors and fluids which need to be performed regularly by expert technicians.

In order to minimize Rider weight time, AVS need to be positioned at Travel optimized nodes either in City Center or at the airport.

AVS aren't cheap.

Being able to finance billions of dollars of Fleet with the best Advance rates, and the best interest rates that becomes a competitive advantage.

Brian Choi: That's why service infrastructure and the human touch still matter. AVs will need to be constantly cleaned by a team of service agents in order to provide an optimal user experience. At Avis, we do all of those things daily. It is our core competency. In the city of Dallas alone, we manage a fleet of over 15,000 vehicles spread across 50-plus sites, maintained by dozens of technicians and serviced by a field team of over 500 individuals. We've been doing this day in and day out for over 75 years. The universe of mega fleet managers is small, but Waymo did have a few choices. Why did they go with us? Well, I can tell you how I positioned what we at Avis uniquely bring to the table. First, we are a truly global network. You can rent an Avis in 180 of the 193 countries around the world.

The Future. No matter how advanced the technology gets it is a mathematical certainty. That someone will always leave a half-eaten granola bar in the cup holder.

That's why service infrastructure and the human touch still matter. As will need to be constantly cleaned by a team of Service agents in order to provide an optimal user experience.

At Avis, we do all of those things daily. It is our core competency.

In the city of Dallas alone, we manage a fleet of over 15,000 Vehicles, spread across 50 plus sites, maintained by dozens of technicians and serviced by a field team of over 500 individuals. We've been doing this day in and day out for over 75 years.

The universe of Mega Fleet managers is small, but who did have a few choices?

Why do they go with us?

Brian Choi: If you're an AV player with global ambitions, we're the only mega fleet manager with that kind of footprint. Second, instead of buying electric vehicles over the past few years, we've been investing in our EV infrastructure. We've been building out charging capabilities across our real estate portfolio. We've already gone through the brain damage of dealing with the long lead times from municipal authorities, both on the airport and utility side. Third, we have alignment with Waymo on how massive and attractive an opportunity this is. This partnership didn't materialize haphazardly to get a pilot up and running. No, we dedicated some of our best talent on this partnership across transformation, operations, finance, real estate, and legal as a reflection of our commitment to this business line.

In our EV infrastructure, we've been building out charging capabilities across our real estate portfolio. We've already gone through the brain damage of dealing with the long lead times from municipal authorities, both on the airport and Utility side.

Brian Choi: Fourth, and I think most importantly, is the tech-forward way we intend to manage these AV assets, which builds on the newly designed operating system that's foundational to Avis First. Let me close by telling you why we're so excited about this opportunity. Avis plays in a very specific niche of the mobility ecosystem today. We are a leader in a $65 billion-ish TAM industry that is dependent on travel, that's people taking business trips or going on vacations. Now, that's a good place to be. And as I mentioned with Avis First, I think there are substantial opportunities to grow that TAM and capture value. But in an autonomous world, Avis can participate in the meatiest part of the mobility ecosystem, where the foremost macro factor isn't passenger deployments, it's vehicle miles driven. This is an addressable market that is hundreds of billions of dollars.

Third, we have alignment with who on how massive and attractive and opportunity. This is

Now, that's a good place to be. And as I mentioned with Avis first, I think there are substantial opportunities to grow that Tam and capture value.

But in an autonomous World AIS can participate in the medist part of the mobility ecosystem, where the foremost macro Factor? Isn't passenger. Deployments. Its vehicle miles driven.

Brian Choi: Avis has honed its superpower of mega fleet management by grinding pennies in the rental car industry. But like I said earlier, that core competency of maintaining vehicles, servicing vehicles, repositioning vehicles, purchasing, financing, and disposing of vehicles, all of that is fundamental to fleet management, whether the vehicles are ICE, EV, or now AV. We have the opportunity today to apply the skill set we've earned over decades to a much larger market with much higher growth potential. We intend to use Dallas to learn together with Waymo and to see how we can succeed in this market and future markets to come. Initial testing is already underway, and we'll update you as milestone developments take place. But here's what it all comes down to.

This is an addressable Market that is hundreds of billions of dollars.

Ava says, 'Honed. Its superpower of Mega Fleet Management by grinding pennies in the rental car industry.'

But like I said earlier, that core competency of maintaining Vehicles, servicing Vehicles, repositioning, Vehicles purchasing financing and disposing of vehicles. All of that is fundamental to Fleet Management, whether the vehicles are ice,

Eevee, or now a

We have the opportunity to today to apply the skill set. We've earned over decades to a much larger market with much higher growth potential.

We intend to use Dallas to learn together with weo and to see how we can succeed in this market and future markets to come.

Initial testing is already underway and will update you as Milestone developments take place.

Brian Choi: We're building for what's coming next by launching category-defining products like Avis First and actively shaping the future of the AV landscape with our Waymo partnership. These aren't just headlines. They're proof points to show that Avis Budget Group is not content with playing defense in a legacy category. We're here to win through innovation, carve out our place in the future mobility ecosystem, and by doing so, create durable shareholder value. We're on that journey. We're excited for what lies ahead, and we're going to keep driving forward. Thanks for listening. With that, operator, let's open it up for questions.

but here's what it all comes down to

we're building for what's coming next by launching category-defining. Products like Avis first and actively shaping the future of the AV landscape with our weo partnership.

These aren't just headlines. They're proof points to show that Avis. Budget Group is not content with playing defense in a legacy category. We're here to win through Innovation, carve out our place in the future Mobility, ecosystem, and by doing so create durable, shareholder value.

We're on that Journey. We're excited for what lies ahead and we're going to keep driving forward.

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Adam Jonas: Thanks. Good morning, everybody. First, Brian, I love the new format. Great job. I wish more companies did it. I really hope they're listening. Please, please, please do that. Also, I thought the half-eaten granola bar was like a free gift, so I'm going to miss it if you clean it up too much. Two questions, Brian. First, the Dallas-Waymo agreement, can you confirm whether this was the result of a competitive process whereby Waymo considered other fleet and fulfillment partners? And I'm curious who came to who first. And I got a follow-up.

Our first question comes from the line of Adam Jonas with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Uh, thanks. Good morning, everybody. Uh, first, Brian, I love the new format. Um, great job. I wish more companies did it. Um, I really hope they're listening, please, please, please do that. Uh, also, I thought the half-eaten granola bar was like a free gift, so I'm going to miss it if you clean it up too much. Um, two questions: Brian, first, the Dallas Whammo agreement. Can you confirm whether this was the result of a competitive process whereby Whammo considered other fleet and fulfillment partners? And I'm curious who came to who first.

And I got a follow up.

Brian Choi: Hey, Adam. Thanks for the kind words. Really appreciate it. With the Waymo partnership in Dallas, I can't speak for Waymo. We at Avis have been in discussions with multiple AV parties. I can only imagine that Waymo, having had previous partnerships before, have been in discussions. So I do think that both parties went into this eyes wide open, considering the playing field.

Adam Jonas: Okay. And just, Brian, if you put on your really long-term hat, I'm thinking out 10 to 20 years from now, what's your vision for Avis Budget's business model? How would your revenue and operational model have evolved? And you know, just kind of along those lines, seeing where you see the service area evolving and expanding with autonomous machines and your ability to service them and maintain them. Thanks.

Hey Adam, uh, thanks for the kind words. Um, really appreciate it, uh, with the whim Mo, uh, with the with the way Mo partnership in Dallas, uh, I can't speak for whammo. Uh, we at Avis have been in discussions with multiple AV parties. Um, I can only imagine that whmo having had previous Partnerships before have been in discussions. Um, so I do think that that both parties went into this Eyes, Wide Open considering the playing field.

Okay. Um, and just, uh, Brian, if you put on your your really long term hat, I'm thinking, thinking out, 10 to 20 years from now, what what's your vision for Avis? Budgets business model? How do you? How would your revenue and operational model have evolved?

and, you know, just kind of along those lines seeing where you see the surface area,

evolving and expanding with, with autonomous, um,

Brian Choi: Yeah, sure. I mean, this is something that we obviously give a lot of thought to. Today, tomorrow, going forward, I really do think that the beating heart of the business is what we do today. It is actually providing mega fleet management, which is providing the highest utilization, keeping the lowest number of unrentable cars in our fleet, and providing a high-quality service to our customers. That's what we do. We do it today in the rental car space. We're going to continue doing it in the rental car space going forward. But in the future, in this autonomous world, as we kind of utilize the core skill set that we've built, you know, across 75 years, over 75 years of history, we think that we can expand our footprint and our sphere of influence in this mobility ecosystem. So it starts here with kind of autonomous ride hail.

Autonomous machines and your ability to service them and maintain them. Thanks. Yeah, sure. I mean, this is something that we obviously give a lot of thought to.

Today tomorrow going forward. I really do think that the Beating Heart of the business, is what we do today. Uh, it is actually providing negative Fleet Management, which is providing the highest utilization, keeping the lowest number of unreal cars in our Fleet and providing a high quality service to our customers. That's what we do. We do it today in the rental car space, we're going to continue doing it in the rental car space going forward.

But in the future, in this autonomous world, as we

Brian Choi: Like I said in my prepared remarks, a lot of the core competencies that we do on a day-in, day-out basis are very transferable to autonomous ride hail. And as we said in our press release, Dallas, like you said, is the start. We expect to expand this to other cities, and we see a good long runway in that. Over time, like I said, autonomous vehicles are touching, like I said, the meatiest part of the mobility ecosystem, which is vehicle miles driven. That opens up a lot of other areas that we can play in as well in terms of expanding our horizon. So right now, like I said, core of the business is the rental car business. But as the years progress, I think we can expand our footprint.

Very transferable um to um uh to autonomous ride hill. And as we said in our press release Dallas, like you said, is the start. We expect to expand this to other cities and we expand, we we see a good long runway in that.

Over time, like I said, autonomous vehicles is touching. Like I said, the meest part of the mobility ecosystem which is vehicle miles driven that opens up a lot of other areas that we can play in as well in terms of um in terms of expanding our Horizon. So right now, like I said, core of the business is the is the is the um, the rental car business. But

Adam Jonas: Appreciate it, Brian. Thanks.

Uh, as the as the years progressed, I think we can expand our our footprint.

Appreciate Brian. Thanks.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Waranka with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Our next question.

Chris, we're on.

Chris Woronka: Hey, good morning, guys. Brian, welcome to the seat and also welcome to Daniel. It's a slight follow-up on Adam's question, maybe asking it in a slightly different way, which is, if you think about this first partnership with Waymo and Brian, I just heard your comments about what you longer term, how it might evolve. Kind of shorter term, I'll say next three to five years, how do we think about the bandwidth you have to do more partnerships like the one you announced with Waymo, but also potentially other things? And how do you kind of fit your existing infrastructure into that? And what kind of incremental investments are you willing to make? And how do you internally kind of measure the ROI on these businesses? And then I'll have a follow-up. Thanks.

Hey, uh good morning guys. Uh, that Brian, welcome to the the seat and also welcome to to Daniel. Um,

It's a slight follow-up on Adam's question. Maybe asking me in a slightly different way, which is, um, if you think about this first partnership with Weibo and Brian, I just heard your comments about what you longer term, how it might evolve.

Kind of shorter term. And I'll I'll say next 3 to 5 years. Um, how do we think about the bandwidth you have uh to do more Partnerships like the 1? You announced with whoa but also potentially other things. And how do you how do you kind of um, fit your, you know, existing infrastructure into that? And what kind of incremental Investments are you willing to make and how do you internally kind of measure the the ROI

Brian Choi: Yeah, sure. Chris, I think we have a lot of bandwidth to take on future partnerships. Like I said, with Waymo, this is the first of what I hope is many cities. And in order to do that, we are going to have to put our balance sheet to work. That's something that we're not shy about doing. What I do want to be careful of is that we are not going to take our eye off the core part of our business, which is rental car. We want to make sure that the partnerships that we do are thoughtful, that they're deeply integrated, and that they're long-term. We're not here to just put out a bunch of press releases and partner with a bunch of people.

And then I'll have a follow-up. Thanks.

Brian Choi: We are in discussions with many people, but who we choose to partner with, we're going to make sure that we do it in a thoughtful way, in a true partnership where a one plus one equals three. So that's kind of how we're looking at it.

Chris Woronka: Okay. Thanks, Brian. And then going back to the Avis First initiative, which I think is really differentiated for now, at least, is there any change to how you think about a fleet on that? I mean, I know that one of the tenets of it is you're going to have the newest cars in here. Does that, in terms of your fleet plan for, say, next year, does that make you do more larger premium vehicles, or is this just kind of reallocating within what you had planned anyway?

Yeah, sure. Um Chris I think we have a lot of bandwidth to take on, you know, future Partnerships. Uh like I said with who this is, the first of what I hope is many cities. And in order to do that, we are going to have to put our balance sheet to work. That's something that we're not shy about. Doing what I do want to be careful of is that we are not going to take our eye off, the core part of our business, which is rental car. Um, we want to make sure that the Partnerships that we do are thoughtful um, that they're deeply integrated, uh, and that they're long term. We're not here to just put out a bunch of press releases and partner with a bunch of people we are in discussions with many people. But who we choose to partner with we're going to make sure that we do it in a in a thoughtful way in a true partnership. We're a OnePlus 1 equals 3 so that's kind of how we're looking at it.

Okay, thanks, thanks, Brian. And then, um, going back to the, the EVS first initiative, um, which you know, I think is is, um,

You know, really differentiated for for now, at least. Is there any change to how you think about or Fleet on that? I mean, I know that 1 of the 1 of the tenants of it is you you're going to have the newest cars in here is that, um, in terms of your Fleet plan for, for say next year, does that make you, uh, do more larger premium vehicles or, or is this just kind of, reallocating within what you

Had planned anyway.

Brian Choi: Hey, Chris. So, you know, with regards to Avis First and the fleet, one thing that I do want to point out that with the difference between Avis First and I think other offerings that have been out there is that it's not just about the car. Yes, the car is an important aspect of it, and we're going to make sure that the right car, a premium car, is there for our Avis First customers. But when you think about first class for an airline, it's not all just about the seat. It's about the whole experience. And I think that's what we're building, from soup to nuts, just reimagining the whole customer journey through that lens. But to answer your question, yes, obviously, the car is a big part of that.

Hey Chris. So um

Brian Choi: And how we're inflating cars or how we're participating in our fleet negotiations this year takes that into mind. We are going to consider kind of more premium vehicles, but we already have a lot of these premium vehicles in our fleet. This isn't about just like luxury where it has to be some German-engineered Porsche or something like that. For us, I think premium at Avis First can be a Jeep Cherokee, but we want to make sure that it's the newest model year, that it is very, very low mileage. Right now, it's kind of been a random distribution at times of who gets that like brand new car. Right now, we're just trying to segment our business a little better to offer that product to the customers that are willing to pay a little bit more for that premium service.

You know, with regards to Avis first and the fleet 1 thing that I do want to point out that uh, with the difference between Avis, first and I think other offerings that have been out there is that it's not just about the car. Yes, the car is an important aspect of it and we're going to make sure that the right car a premium car is, is there for for the Roz first customers. But when you think about first class for an airline, it's not all just about the seat, it's about the whole experience. And I think that's what we're building from Soup To Nuts. Just reimagining, the whole customer journey through that lens. But to answer your question, uh yes, obviously, the car is a big uh, is a big part of that and how we, um, how we're inflating cars or how we're uh, participating with, in our Fleet negotiations, this year takes that into mind. Uh, we are going to um, consider kind of more premium vehicles, but we already have a lot of these premium vehicles in our Fleet, uh, this

This isn't about just like luxury where it has to be some German engineered, um, you know, Porsche or something like that for us. I think premium in at Avis, first can be a Jeep Cherokee. But we want to make sure that it's the, the newest model year that it is, uh, very very low mileage. Uh, right now. It's kind of been a random distribution at times of who gets that like brand new car right now. We're just trying to segment our business, a little better to offer that product to the customers that are willing to pay a little bit more for that premium service.

Chris Woronka: Okay. Understood. Thanks, Brian.

Okay, understood. Thanks, Brian.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Levy with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Levy with Berkeley. Please proceed with your question.

Dan Levy: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. And Brian, congrats on starting the new seat. Daniel, welcome. If we could just, sorry, go back to perhaps the more myopic part of the results for a second, just to guide into maybe we could just unpack some of the different trends. Perhaps, team, if you could just talk to the implied second half, the puts and takes between DPU and RPD, where it seems like DPU is significantly better, but it seems like there's some offsetting effect in the guidance for the second half, whether it's from RPD or whether it's from cost. So maybe you can just talk about the puts and takes there in the implied second half guidance of 900 to a billion.

Sales, welcome. Um, if we could just sorry uh go back to perhaps, the more myopic part of uh of the results for a second, just to to guide in to maybe we could just unpack some of the different trends.

Brian Choi: Sure. Dan, let's start. I'll answer your myopic question with the high level. Let's start with the macro overview here. So kind of what we're seeing in terms of RPD isn't all that different from what other participants in the travel industry are seeing. I think demand is firming up post the passage of the big, beautiful bill. For us, leisure is stronger than commercial right now, and pricing is more challenged than volume. And this is true in Prasm for airlines. It's true for RevPAR for hotels and RPD for us. But we do think that there are signs that things are firming up for the summer, and I think summer's off to a good start.

Perhaps um, Team if you could just talk to the implied, second half, uh, the puts and takes between dpu and uh, RPD where it seems like epu is significantly better. But uh, it seems like there's some offsetting effect in the guidance for the second half whether it's from RPD or whether it's from Costa, maybe you can just talk about the puts and takes their uh, in the implied. Second half guidance of 900 to a billion.

Sure. Um,

Dan, let's start. Um, I'll answer your my, my office question with the um, with, with the high level. Let's start with the macro overview here. So, um, kind of what we're seeing in terms of RPD. Isn't all that different from what

You know, other participants in the travel industry are seeing. Um, I think, um, you know, demand is firming up post the passage of the big, beautiful bill. Um, for us, leisure is stronger than commercial right now. Um, and pricing is more challenged than volume. And this is true in PM for airlines, it's true for RevPAR for hotels, and, and, and RPD for us.

um,

Brian Choi: I think one of the reasons for that and kind of why you're seeing some of these issues on the DPU side, where I think you may have expected slightly stronger DPU maybe this quarter in guidance, is that we're dealing and having to navigate with two big issues here. That's tariffs and recalls. So let's just start with tariffs. The uncertainty around auto tariffs, of course, that's lifted the used car market. That's been a clear benefit. And when you look at the asset base, the vehicle asset base that we have on our balance sheet, it is meaningful. But I want to note, we're not changing how we account for gross depreciation at this time. We just took a write down at the beginning of the year. So Dan, you better believe we're going to stay conservative on this front.

But we do think that there are signs that things are firming up for the summer and I think Summer's off off to a good start. I think 1 of the reasons for that, um and and kind of why you're seeing some of these issues, um, on on the, on the dpu side. Where I think you, you may have expected slightly stronger, uh, dpu, uh, maybe this quarter and guidance is that we're dealing and having to navigate with with 2, big issues here. Um that's tariffs and recalls.

So let's just start with tariffs, uh, the uncertainty around Auto tariffs.

Of course, that's listed the used car market that's been a clear benefit. Uh and when you look at the asset base, the vehicle asset base that we have on our balance sheet like it is Meaningful.

Brian Choi: So if you keep that gross depreciation constant, the only way to harvest used car gains is by selling the older model year vehicles. And to do that, you actually have to inflate the new model year vehicles. And that's where we're getting hung up. The tariff uncertainty is causing OEMs to delay production and delivery, so our inflate schedule is getting pushed. So we're having to hold on to the older model year cars for longer. Certain cars that were programmed that we were going to return that are a little higher priced, that we were going to turn back as we were getting in new model year cars, we've been having to hold on to. So we're dealing with a fleet rotation dynamic right now. So that's a negative headwind there. And then again, on top of that, with DPU, we have an issue with recalls.

Uh, but I want to know we're not changing how we account for gross depreciation. At this time, we just took a right down at the beginning of the year, so then you better believe. We're going to stay conservative on this front.

So, if you keep that gross depreciation constant, the only way to harvest used car gains is by selling the older model year vehicles.

And to do that, you actually have to inflate the new model year vehicles and that's, that's where we're getting hung up. The Tariff uncertainty is causing oems to delay production and delivery. So our in Fleet schedule is getting pushed. So we're having to hold on to the older model year. Cars for longer certain cars that were programmed, that we were going to return that are a little higher priced that we're going to turn back as we are getting in new model year cars. We've been having to hold on to so

So, we're dealing with a fleet rotation dynamic right now. So that's a negative headwind there.

um,

Brian Choi: And listen, I don't want to make excuses here for recalls on a normal basis because recalls are a part of doing business in the rental car industry. We deal with it every single day. But this one's different. It's massive. It affects 4% of our America's fleet. And you know that if cars are on recall, we're not allowed to sell them. So we're holding these on our book. And by the way, it's not just any vehicles. It's some of our highest RPD segments. These are transit vans and minivans, so they're actually more expensive to hold as well. There's also no visibility on when this gets resolved because it's a parts defect, and we've been given no visibility on delivery time for these parts from the OEMs.

And then again, on top of that, with DPU, uh, we have an issue with recalls and...

You know, listen.

I don't want to make excuses here for recalls on a normal basis because recalls are a part of doing business in the rental car industry. We deal with it every single day.

But this 1's different, it's massive. It affects 4% of our American's Fleet.

And, and, you know that if, if, um, uh, if um,

Ours are on recall. We're not allowed to sell them, so we're holding these on our books. And by the way, it's not just any vehicles; it's some of our highest RPD segments. These are Transit vans and minivans, so they're actually more expensive to hold as well.

Brian Choi: And lastly, the cherry on top of this garbage Sunday is that it's hitting us in the heart of summer right now. It's a gut punch. There's no other way to describe it. So to put this all together, listen, the only silver lining with this recall and the tariffs, it's not unique to Avis. The entire industry is affected. And I think we're seeing that right now lead to some pricing recalibration. So yeah, I hope that answers your question, Dan.

There's also no visibility on when this gets resolved because the parts defect and we've been we've been given no visibility uh on delivery time for these parts from the oems.

And lastly, like the cherry on top of this garbage Sunday is that it's hitting Us in the heart of Summer right now. It's a gut punch. There's no other way to describe it.

So to put this all together, um, listen the only Silver Lining with this recall on the Terrace. It's not unique to a this the entire industry is affected, and I think we're seeing that right now lead to some pricing recalibration.

Dan Levy: That's very helpful. Thank you. As a second question, if we could just talk about the AV strategy. And specifically, we see you're playing for a very large TAM, but I think what's maybe unclear to some folks is perhaps the type of revenue model here. So maybe you could just give us the parameters roughly, you know, not just now, but in the future, of what the revenue type model looks like. Is this on a per vehicle basis? Are there other services involved? And does this eventually go down the route? You know, one of your core competencies is acquiring and disposing of vehicles. Is that eventually something that gets factored in here? I mean, I realize that's way down the line, but just give us a sense of the type of revenue model here on the AV side.

So yeah. Hope that answers your question again.

Brian Choi: Yeah, sure. Dan, I appreciate the question, and it is exactly what I'd be asking if I were in your shoes. I'd love to get into more detail, but given how tightly integrated this partnership is, Waymo and Avis have agreed to maintain pretty tight messaging at this stage. So I'm going to give you everything that I can share right now. So some of this was already in the press release. Initial mapping, the testing, it's already underway. We're going to start offering rides to the public next year. It is a multi-year agreement. We fully expect to expand into additional cities in the near future. And to your question, I think, like other markets where Waymo operates, the vehicle that we're going to be starting off with in Dallas is the fully electric Jaguar I-PACE. It's powered by their fifth-generation Waymo driver.

You know, acquiring and disposing Vehicles is that eventually something that you know gets factored in here? I mean I realize that's way down the line but just give us a sense of the type of Revenue model here on the ab side.

Yeah, sure. Um Dan, I I appreciate the question and it is exactly what I'd be asking if I were in your shoes. Um, I'd love to get into some more detail, but given how tightly integrated this partnership is uh, we mow and Avis have agreed to maintain pretty tight messaging at this stage. So I'm going to, I'm going to give you everything that I can share right now. So some of this was already in the press release, initial mapping the testing, it's already underway. Uh, we're going to start offering rides to the public next year.

Uh, it is a multi-year agreement. We fully expect to expand into additional cities, uh, in the near future.

And to your question, I think like other markets, we're way more operates, the vehicles that we're going to be starting off with in Dallas, is the fully electric Jaguar ipace. It's powered by their fifth generation waymo driver.

Brian Choi: At this point, those vehicles are on Waymo's balance sheet. As the landscape evolves, as different vehicles are put into place, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that how that changes and who holds what on the balance sheet, that that can change as well. So we're not disclosing the financial details of this arrangement, but I do want to say this. It's not like we woke up last month and said, "Hey, we need to get into this AV game." We've been in serious discussions with Waymo and building towards this since January of '24. So we took the time to structure this thoughtfully. We have full alignment on incentives. So that the big variables that affect profitability for Waymo, that's the exact same variable. Those are the exact same variables that affect profitability for us.

Um, at this point those vehicles are on Whose balance sheet.

As the um, you know, the the landscape evolves as uh different vehicles are put into place. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that that um, you know, how that changes and who holds what on the balance sheet that that can, that can change as well. So, we're not disclosing the financial details of this Arrangement, but, but I do want to say this,

Brian Choi: So we're in it to win together in Dallas, but the framework is built to scale to future cities.

It's not like we woke up last month and say, hey, like, we need to get into this AV game like we've been in serious discussions with who and building towards this since January of 24. So we took the time to structure this thoughtfully. We have full alignment on incentives. Um, so that the big variables that affect profitability for whoo, that's the exact same variable. Those are the exact same variables that affect profitability for us. So we're in it to win together and Dallas. But the framework is built to scale to future cities.

Dan Levy: Great. Thank you.

Great. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Stavropoulos with Susquehanna International Group. Please proceed with your question.

Christopher Stathoulopoulos: Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Brian, Daniel, welcome. Daniel, so Brian, excuse me, I appreciate the unveiling of the vision here. It's refreshing, I guess. A lot to unpack. In two or three sentences, maybe if you could, you know, encapsulate how we should think about Avis of the future. So is this more of a technology-enabled premium rental company with now kind of more discrete pricing around segments, bundling, unbundling? And then also, help us think about this move here and the two initiatives announced, how we should conceptualize that, I guess, within the context of normalized earnings here for EBITDA, which has been a core focus for investors since exiting the pandemic. Has this become more of a mid-single, high single-digit story? Just want to tie those two pieces together.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris dos with cesco Hannah International Group. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Uh, Brian, Daniel, welcome. Um, Daniel.

Brian, excuse me. Appreciate the uh, the unveiling of the vision here. It's refreshing. I guess.

A lot to unpack in 2 or 3 sentences. Maybe if you could, you know,

Encapsulate how how we should think about averages of the future. So is this more of a

Technology enabled, premium rental company, uh, with now kind of more discreet pricing around segments, bundling on bundling. And then also help us think about this move here, and these and, and the 2 in, and how we should conceptualize that, I, I guess within the context of, you know, normalized earnings here for ibido, which is been a

But you know a core Focus for investors since exiting. The pandemic is this become more of a

Christopher Stathoulopoulos: And again, what's the sort of, I guess, the tagline, if you will, as we move forward with this new plan? Thanks.

Brian Choi: Yeah. Sure. Chris, I think the way that we're viewing Avis's role in the mobility ecosystem is that we're here to empower mega fleet management. I mean, we've been doing it for ourselves in terms of car rental for, like I said, 75 years. We think that this is a core competency that others in the mobility space can use. When you think about, like I said, the value chain of autonomous mobility, there is the software and hardware component, and people are sticking to their core competencies over there. And I think the thing that people haven't paid a lot of attention to is the fleet management aspect of it. You know, this isn't pure internet anymore. It's Internet of Things. It's not an algorithm that you need to just maintain with a few software engineers. These are heavy assets that need to be actively managed.

A mid single high single digit story. Just, just want to tie those 2 pieces together. And and again, what's the sort of the, I guess the tagline, if you will, as we move forward with this, this new plan, thanks.

Brian Choi: And kind of what I said in my prepared remarks, all those aspects of it, yes, cleaning is one of them, but it's one of many. Having a nationwide, having a global footprint of real estate, being able to energize and charge these facilities, having just the employee base to be able to service the vehicles, being able to maintain the vehicles, all of that, I think, goes into mega fleet management. And that's the value that we provide to the value chain. In terms of kind of your question about where we steady state run rate earnings of this is, we don't have any changes there. I think we put out there post-pandemic that a billion dollars is the bare minimum of what we want to do in a normalized year, and that's going to continue going forward.

Yeah, sure Chris. I think the way that we're viewing, avis's role in the mobility ecosystem. Is that we're here to empower Mega Fleet managers management. I mean, we've been doing it for ourselves and in terms of car rental for like I said, 75 years. Uh, we think that this is a core competency, that others in the mobility space can use. Um, when you think about, like I said, the value chain of, um, you know, autonomous autonomous Mobility, uh, there is the software and Hardware component, um, and people are sticking to their core competencies over there. Um, and I think the thing that people haven't paid a lot of attention to is the Fleet Management aspect of it. Uh you know this isn't pure internet anymore. It's internet of things. It's not an algorithm that you need to maintain. Uh with a few software Engineers these are heavy assets that need to be actively managed and you know kind of what I said in my prepared remarks, all those aspects of it. Yes,

Cleaning is one of them, but it's one of many, having a nationwide and global footprint of, um, real estate, uh, being able to energize and charge these, uh, facilities. Um, having just the

Brian Choi: I don't think that this is a particularly normal year, given what we're having to deal with with the tariffs and with the recalls. But our expectation is that's fundamental. We need to, whatever investments we make, whatever partnerships we want to do, that's additive, but we need to be a billion-dollar EBITDA business going forward. And like I said in the prepared remarks, I think it's doing that. I think it is by generating substantial free cash flow that we earn the right to go and participate in these other parts of the ecosystem.

Pandemic that a billion dollars is the bare minimum of what we want to do in a normalized year and that's going to continue going forward. I don't think that this is a particularly normal year given what we're having to deal with with the tariffs um, and with the recalls, uh, but our

Our expectation is that's fundamental like we need to whatever Investments. We we we make whatever Partnerships we want to do, that's additive but we need to be a billion dollar even without business going forward. And like I said, on the, uh, prepared remarks, I think it's doing that. I think it is by generating substantial free cash flow.

That we earn the right to go and participate in these. These other parts of the um, of the ecosystem,

Christopher Stathoulopoulos: Okay. Thank you. And my second question. So if the secondary or used car market continues to move higher in response to tariffs, you know, how are you thinking about the 2026 purchases? I guess the gain or benefit this year around DPU become a headwind next year? Is the plan at this point just to kind of hold on to these older cars and, I guess, be more opportunistic around the purchase? I just want to understand the plans or tactics in place around managing that fleet and DPU, given what is likely to be a volatile 6 to 12 months in the secondary. Thanks.

Okay, thank you and and my second question. So if the secondary are used car market continues to move higher in response to the tariffs

Brian Choi: Yeah. Chris, we did this whole situation of holding on to the fleet for longer. It didn't work out for us. We're not going to do that again. I think from a customer service aspect, from a vehicle maintenance aspect, like that's not our game plan here. Tariffs are no tariffs. So right now, fleet discussions are ongoing with all of our OEM partners right now. We're in the thick of it. You know, the recent tariff uncertainty, it slowed the pace. But now that we have a little more clarity around tariffs, like with Japan and the EU, we do expect things to pick up. And we've actually already signed a few deals already. But to your point, we're being cautious. Like that write down we took early this year, it is still fresh in my mind.

Um, you know, how are you thinking about the 2026, uh, purchases this? This the, I guess the gain or benefit this year around dpu become a headwind next year, as of the plan at this point, just to kind of hold on to these older cars and and and I guess be more opportunistic around the purchases just want to understand the plans or tactics in place around managing that that uh, that that Fleet and dpu giving what is likely to be a volatile, you know, 6 to 12 months uh in in, in the secondary. Thanks.

Yeah, uh Chris we we did this whole situation of holding on to the fleet for longer. It didn't work out for us. We're not going to do that again. I think from a customer service aspect from a vehicle maintenance aspect like that's, that's not what that's not our game plan here tariffs are no tariffs. So

Right now, Fleet discussions are ongoing with all of our OEM Partners. Uh right now we're we're in the thick of it.

Brian Choi: And it was driven largely by purchases made for the model year '23 and model year '24 cycles when we purchased at elevated levels. So despite tariffs coming and that having an impact on used car prices, we can't repeat that same mistake with the model year '26 buy. We have to remain disciplined. So the approach we've taken with the OEMs, we're being straightforward and, like I said, disciplined. What we're trying to do is provide them full transparency to say, this is what the market is right now. This is how we're modeling the residual values on a Vin by Vin basis. We have a willingness to be flexible. And we need this clear understanding, both between us as car rental and the OEMs, that these are long-term relationships. The deals have to work for both sides. So I think this position has been appreciated.

Um, you know, the recent tariff on certainly uncertainty, uh it's slowed, the pace, uh but now that we have a little more clarity around tariffs like with Japan and and the EU we do expect things to pick up and we've actually already signed a few deals already but to your point we're being cautious. Like the that write down, we took early this year, it is still fresh in my mind and it was driven largely by purchases made for the model year, 23 and model year, 24 Cycles. When we purchased that elevated levels,

Brian Choi: And while we're not rushing into volume commitments, right now, I think we're in a good place heading into this buying cycle.

Um, so despite tariffs coming and that having an impact on used car prices, we can't repeat that same mistake with the model year 26, by we have to remain disciplined. So the approach we've taken with the oems, like, we're being straight forward. And like I said, disciplined, what we're trying to do is provide them full transparency to say, this is what the market is. Right now. This is how we're modeling the residual values on a VIN by VIN basis. We have a willingness to be flexible. And we need this, clear to understanding both between us as car rental and the oems that these are long-term relationships, the deals have to work for both sides. So I think this position has been appreciated and

Well, we're not rushing into volume commitments. Right now, I think we're in a good place heading into the spying cycle.

Christopher Stathoulopoulos: Great. Okay.

Brian Choi: Thank you.

Great. Okay. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Lizzie Duff with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Lizzie Dove: Hi there. Thanks for taking the question. I appreciate all the color and welcome, Brian and Daniel. Just wanted to go back to the RPD side and curious kind of what you're kind of seeing there in recent weeks. Sorry to be so myopic, but also what's kind of factored into your guidance for this year for the second half in terms of any possible RPD improvement given some of the factors you called out. Thanks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Lizzy Duff with Goldman Sachs, please proceed with your question.

Hi there. Thanks for taking the question. I appreciate all the color and welcome, Brian. And Daniel, um, just wanted to go back to the RPD side and curious kind of what you're kind of seeing there in recent weeks. Sorry to be so myopic. Um, but also how, what kind of factored into your guidance for this year for the second half in terms of, you know, any possible RP? Do you Improvement? Uh, given some of the factors that you pulled out, thanks.

Brian Choi: Hey, Lizzie. Honestly, I'm a little surprised by the restraint that it took five questions now to get to the week-by-week RPD. You know, it is actually, it's a fair question, though, because the recalls have happened pretty recently, or at least the large recalls of scale, the ones with no fix. We are seeing some green shoots here in terms of RPD because of that. It's not like we're making a call that this is structural at this time. But you know, RPD has been, you see it in the numbers, pretty challenged all throughout this year. I do think that supply, industry supply overall tightening up is having an impact and that RPD is getting better because of it. But from our perspective, I've said it before. I'll say it again. Like we at Avis do not set rental car prices.

Hey Lizzie. Uh honestly like I'm I'm a little surprised by the restraint that it took 5 questions now to get into the um, so that the week by week RPD. Um, you know, it is actually it's a fair question though because, um, the recalls have happened pretty recently, or at least the the the the large recalls of scale, the ones with no fixed.

We are seeing some green shoots here in terms of, um, uh, in terms of RPD because of that. Um, it's not like we're making a call that this is structural at this time. Um, but you know, RPD has been we, you see it in the numbers, pretty challenged, uh, uh, all throughout this year, I do think that, um, um, that

Brian Choi: We respond to them given consumer demand and industry supply. So like I said, industry supply, that's shrinking a little bit. Industry demand, you know, surprisingly, I know there's a lot of uncertainty around there with the economy, but the demand is out there to be got right now. People are still traveling. So we're doing what we can with our philosophy around RPD, which is we're fleeting slightly inside of demand, making sure that we receive an appropriate ROI on the cars that we do put out there. And from our perspective, we're hoping that has a positive influence on RPD.

Lizzie Dove: Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And just one follow-up. I'm curious what you're seeing out there in the competitive environment. You know, it felt like enterprise was pretty competitive last year, then Sixth maybe stepped on the gas this year. Anything that you're seeing if things kind of become a little bit more benign, or how would you kind of characterize that side of things? Thanks.

And um, with with our um, philosophy around RPD, which is we're fleeting slightly inside of demand, um, making sure that we receive an appropriate Roi on the cars that we do put out there. And from our perspective, we're hoping that has a positive influence on our PD.

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And just 1 follow up. I'm curious. What you're seeing out there in the competitive environment, you know, felt like Enterprises pretty competitive last year. Then 6, maybe stepped on the gas this year, anything that you're seeing if things kind of become a little bit more benign or how would you kind of characterize that side of things? Thanks.

Brian Choi: I mean, Lizzie, it is a competitive environment. It always has been, and this year is no different. But you know, like I said earlier on the call, what we're trying to do here is to not compete on a commodity product. I feel like that's what's been happening for decades over here. Avis First is a little bit of our answer to that, to say, hey, how do we differentiate the offering? How do we kind of grow as an industry? And from our perspective, we think that this is the way out of that, to say, you know, we don't want to play the zero-sum game where it's competitive, so we're trying to take share here and there. Like Avis First isn't about taking share. Like we want to be growing the size of the revenue and profit pools of the entire car rental industry.

I mean Lizzie it is a competitive environment. It, it always has been and um, and and this year is, is no different. But you know, like I said earlier, on the call what we're trying to do here is to

Brian Choi: So this is our stake in the ground saying that we're going to do that. So yes, competitive, it's competitive. It's always going to be competitive. I'm just saying what we're trying to do is compete at a higher level and give a little more value back to the customer.

Not compete on a commodity product. I feel like that's what's been happening for decades. Over here Avis, first is a little bit of our answer so that to say, Hey, how do we differentiate the offering? How do we kind of grow as an industry? Um, and from our perspective, we think that that this is the way out of that to say, you know, we don't want to play the Zero Sum game where it's competitive. So, we're trying to take share here and there like Avis first isn't about taking share, like we want to be growing the size of the revenue and profit pools of the entire car rental industry. Um, so this is our stake in the ground saying that we're going to do that. So yes, competitive its competitive, it's always going to be competitive.

I'm just saying what we're trying to do is is compete at a higher level, um, and give a little more value back to the customer.

Lizzie Dove: Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephanie Moore with Jeffries. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephanie Moore with Jeffrey. Please proceed with your question.

Lizzie Dove: Hi. Good morning. Thank you. Brian, you did delineate in your prepared remarks about the difference between cyclical and structural growth, and you clearly highlighted several initiatives that are starting or in place in terms of driving kind of growth going forward. So as you think about these investments, as well, as I'm sure others that are in the pipeline here, how do you measure the success of these investments? Are you looking for growth to outpace the cyclical aspects or the industry aspects? Are we looking at KPIs like margin, cash flow? How are you measuring the success? And then the same token, as we look at the business going forward, how should we be measuring the success from a metric standpoint? Thank you.

Brian Choi: Yep. It's a great question, and we take a disciplined approach to everything we do in terms of evaluating new investments. I think I want to start off with, first, it has to be growing our business. I think we are here to grow as a company, and we think that we're going to pursue opportunities that have a higher structural growth. And that's kind of why we started out with Avis First and Waymo. We need to combine this with being disciplined on free cash flow. Everything we do, we are a cash flow machine at this company, and I think that's one of the things that attracted me to this business in the first place. Typically, if you're going to go and pursue high-growth opportunities, you know, at times, you have to be willing to burn a lot of free cash flow in order to do it.

Hi, good morning, thank you. Um, Brian, you did delineate in your prepared remarks about the difference between, you know, cyclical and structural growth, and you clearly highlighted several initiatives that are, you know, starting or in place in terms of, you know, driving kind of growth going forward. So, as you think about these investments, as well as I'm sure others that are in the pipeline here, how do you measure the success of these investments? Are you looking for growth to outpace, you know, the cyclical aspects or the industry aspects? Are we looking at, you know, KPIs like margin, cash flow? How are you measuring the success? And then, the same token, as we look at the business going forward, how should we be measuring the success from a metric standpoint? Thank you.

Yep. Um it's a great question and we take a disciplined approach to to everything we do in terms of um, evaluating uh, new Investments.

I think.

I want to start off with, like, first, it has to be growing our business. I think, like, we are here to grow as a company. And we think that we're going to pursue opportunities that have a higher structural growth. And that's kind of why we started out with Avis first. Uh, and who.

We need to combine this with being disciplined on free cash flow. Everything we do, like we are a cash flow machine at this company and I think that's that's 1 of the things that attracted me to this business in the first place. Um,

Brian Choi: From our perspective, because we have this great base business of car rental that is very free cash flow generative, we think that we can utilize that to invest in things that are going to add to that and over the long term contribute to additional free cash flow. So free cash flow is obviously very important. And the third framework that is very top of mind is how do we service the customer? What is the customer experience going to be? What are we investing in to make sure that that is always top of mind? Because from our perspective, I think especially given investments, we maybe haven't given that as much thought and as much share of kind of our free cash flow as we should have. I think that's going to change going forward.

Typically, if you're kind of go and pursue high growth opportunities, you know, at times, you have to be willing to burn a lot of free cash flow in order to do it from our perspective. Because we have this great base business of car rental. Um, that is, uh, very free cash flow generative. We think that, uh, we can utilize that to invest in things that we're going to add to that and and over the long term, contribute to additional free cash flow. So free cash flow is obviously very important and the third framework that that is very top of mind is.

How do we service the customer? Like what is the customer experience can be or going to be like, what are we investing in to make sure that that is um the um, always top of mind. Because from our perspective, I think, especially given Investments, we maybe haven't

Given that as much, um, as much as much thought. And, um, as much share of kind of, uh,

Brian Choi: So across those three dimensions, we want to say, hey, we need to be growing as a company, winning share of wallet, being a more relevant company. That's number one. I think that translates into free cash flow. It's not growth at all costs. For us, we are very, very disciplined around free cash flow, so that revenue growth has to translate into free cash flow. And when we take that free cash flow, are we investing it into areas that are benefiting the customer experience? How do we de-commodify the business, actually deliver a product that customers are willing to pay more for and earn that pricing power? So it's really across those three dimensions that we're evaluating investments.

Uh our free cash flow as we should have. I think that's going to change going forward so across those 3 Dimensions, we want to say hey we need to be growing as a company winning, share of wallet being a more relevant company. That's number 1, I think that translates into free cash flow. It's not growth at all costs for us. We are very, very disciplined around free cash flow so that Revenue growth has to translate into free cash flow. And when we take that free cash flow, are we investing it into areas that are benefiting the customer experience. How do we decommodify the business actually, deliver a product that customers are willing to pay more for and and earn that pricing power? So it's really across those 3 Dimensions that we're evaluating Investments.

Lizzie Dove: Thank you. And then just my follow-up on Avis First, maybe you can provide a little bit of color based on the pilot to the test where you've already rolled out the service. But what has been the conversion of customers that are upgrading to Avis First? And then what does this mean in terms of labor costs, I guess, needed to provide this concierge-like service just to make sure you can meet the demand? Thank you.

Brian Choi: Yep. Sure. As I said earlier, this is a category that we expect others to enter. So I want to be pretty thoughtful about what we disclose. And by the way, this launched two weeks ago at this point. So I think it's early to say. It's in a dozen markets already. We're very excited about the uptake, but I think it's too early to call a trend here in terms of the uptake. But I'll tell you kind of what our thought process here is around this. I see no reason why Avis First, as a percentage of our total rental days, can't be equal to or even greater than the share of premium seats in the airline industry.

Follow up on Avis first, you know, maybe you can provide a little bit of color based on the pilot to the tests that you've where you've already rolled out the service. But you know what's what has been the conversion of customers that are upgrading to to Avis first? And then what does this mean in terms of labor costs? I guess needed to provide this concierge like service and just to make sure you can you know, meet the demand. Thank you.

Sure. Um yep. As I said earlier I this is a category that we expect others to enter. So I want to be, I want to be pretty thoughtful about what we disclose. And by the way this launched

2 weeks ago at this point. So I think it's I think it's early to say it's in a dozen markets already. We're very excited about the uptake but I think it's too early to call a trend here in terms of in terms of the uptake. But I'll tell you kind of what our thought process here is around this.

Brian Choi: We've all seen this happen over the course of the last 10 years, like how premiumization has happened in the airline cabin, and that's gone up to incredibly high numbers for certain airlines. I think that's what we're seeing as a potential from an uptake perspective. And in terms of pricing, like you said, there are additional costs associated with this. There's a concierge. There's the delivery. So we need to price appropriately for this. So we are pricing Avis First to be margin accretive from day one. But the incremental cost is low enough that it's accessible to almost every traveler. I think I said a couple of Starbucks lattes in the call, but an upgrade can be as little as $10 a day for Avis First.

I see no reason why Avis first as a percentage of our total rental days, can't be equal to or even greater than the share of Premium seats in the airline industry. We've all seen this happen over the course of the last 10 years like how premiumization has happened in the airline cabin and and that that's gone up to to to, you know, incredibly High numbers for certain for certain airlines. I think that's that's what we're seeing is as a potential from a, from an uptick perspective um and in terms of pricing like you like like you said, there are additional costs associated with this. There's a concierge. There's the delivery. Um, so we need a price appropriately for this. So we are pricing Avis.

First to be margin accretive from day 1.

but the incremental cost is low enough that it's accessible to almost every Traveler

Brian Choi: Now, our average length of rental is between four and five days, so we're just talking 40 to 50 bucks total for a transaction. And that doesn't sound like a lot when you consider the convenience and experience of Avis First. I think a lot of people would be willing to do that. But $10 more on a $70 average RPD, that's a 14% lift. And like I said, that's just the minimum. Depending on the market demand or the time of year, we think that this premium is going to be meaningfully higher. So for us, with Avis First, the constraint isn't price or demand. The constraint actually has to be self-imposed to make sure that we have the right vehicles, we have the right field resources, we have the right concierge capacity to deliver the experience the way that it's meant to be delivered.

I think I said it a couple of Starbucks lattes in the call but like an upgrade can be as little as $10 a day um for Avis first. Now, our average length of rental is between 4 and 5 days. So we're just talking 40 to 50 bucks total for a for a transaction and that doesn't sound like a lot when you consider the convenience and experience of Avis. First, I think a lot of people will be willing to do that.

The ten dollars more on a 70 dollar average RPD that's a 14% lift. And like I said, that's just the minimum depending on the market demand or the time of year. We think that this premium is going to be meaningful, High meaningfully higher

Brian Choi: And like I said, two weeks ago, one week ago was the hard launch. So we're encouraged by what we're seeing.I'm

So for us with Avis first, the constraint isn't price or demand, the constraint actually has to be self-imposed to make sure that we have the right Vehicles. We have the right field resources, we have the right concierge capacity to deliver the experience the way that it's meant to be delivered.

David Calabria: confident that we have product-market fit here. But like I said, the challenge is to stay disciplined. The last thing that I want to do is snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by scaling too fast and compromising the experience. We can't afford to do that. So we're going to take a thoughtful approach to growing this out. Like I said, we think that this is going to be in over 50 markets by the end of the year. We think that the long-term potential of this is going to be a percentage of rental days that's equivalent to where premium is for the airlines. And we talked a little bit about the potential RPD uplift. So long-winded answer, like the too long, didn't read line is, we think this is going to grow the pie, and we're pricing it to be margin accretive.

Um, and you know, like I said, 2 weeks ago, 1 week ago was the hard launch. So, we're encouraged by what we're seeing. I'm confident that we have product Market fit here. But like I said, the challenge is to say disciplined. The last thing that I want to do is snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory by scaling too fast and compromising the experience. We can't afford to do that.

So we're going to take a thoughtful approach to growing this out. Uh, like I said, we think that this is going to be in over 50 markets by the end of the year. We think that the long-term potential of this is going to be, um, you know, a percentage of rental days that's equivalent to where premium is for the um,

Uh the Airlines and and we talked a little bit about the, the potential RPD uplift. So long-winded, answer like the 2 long didn't don't read like didn't read uh, line is we're we're

We think this is going to grow the pie and we're pricing it to be margin or creative.

Operator: Thank you. Our final question this morning comes from the line of John Healy with North Coast Research. Please proceed with your question.

Adam Jonas: Great. Thanks for taking my question. Brian, I just wanted to ask just a little bit more about the Waymo plan. You know, obviously, it sounds like this was a competitive win. I think they're in five or six markets right now. How do you see the market for this solution kind of evolving? Do you see yourself going with them in future markets likely? You know, is this going to be an exclusive to the Dallas market? Like, how do you think the business model looks as a service provider to these autonomous companies? And you know, my sense is that the revenue model here would be probably something that evolves over time. So any way you could kind of talk to us about your use of partnership rather than just a service provider, you know, how you see that as well. Thanks.

Thank you. Our final question. This morning comes from the line of John Healey with North Coast research. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Uh, thanks for taking my question. Brian. I just wanted to ask just a little bit more about the the waymo plan. Um, you know, obviously it sounds like this was a competitive win. I think we're in 5 or 6 markets right now. Um, how do you see the market for this solution kind of evolving? Um, do you see yourself going with them in future markets likely? Um, you know, is this going to be an exclusive to the Dallas Market? Like how do you think the business model looks as a service provider to these autonomous companies? And you know my my sense is that um the revenue model here would be probably something that evolves over time.

David Calabria: Yeah. John, I think at the let's start with the first part of that question. We are starting in Dallas with Waymo. And with Waymo, we expect to expand to future cities. But from our perspective, you know, Waymo has been in discussions with other providers in the past. They've announced other cities that they've partnered with. We're in discussions with other people as well. But you know, it was important for us to start off this business line in terms of like mega fleet management for autonomous. It was important for us to start with Waymo because Waymo, I mean, Waymo has been blazing the trail for autonomous ride-hailing for 20 years now. What they've built and what they've delivered to the public, it is just, there's no other way to describe it. It's awe-inspiring.

The only way you could kind of talk to us about, you know, your use of partnership rather than just a service provider, um, you know, how you how, you know, how you see that as well? Thanks.

Yeah.

Um,

John, I think, I think.

With other providers in the past that they've announced other cities that they've partnered with we're in discussions with other people, um, as well. But, you know, it was important for us to to start off this business line. Um, in terms of like Mega Fleet Management for autonomous, it was important for us to start with with weo.

Because who, I mean, who isn't blazing the trail?

David Calabria: So earning the trust of real passengers at real scale with the safety record that they have, like that is changing the world. And we don't take it lightly that Avis has been asked to participate in this space. Where I think this can go in the future, obviously, like I said, with Waymo to many other cities, I hope. It took a long time to get to the commercial terms that we've aligned on. And that was built to scale to future cities. We said this earlier on the call, kind of how, when assets are on whose balance sheet, that can always evolve over time. And obviously, that has an impact on the share of profit over the long term. And we're obviously open to those discussions. And like I said, we are not opposed to putting our balance sheet to work.

For autonomous ride hailing for 20 years now and what they've built and and what they've delivered to the public it is just there's no other way to describe it. It's on inspiring. So earning the trust of real passengers at real scale, with the safety record that they have, like that is changing the world and we don't take it lightly that AIS has been asked to participate.

um,

Where I think this can go in the future, obviously, like I said, with whom to many other cities, I hope it took a long time to get to the commercial terms that we've aligned on. And that was built to scale to future cities. We said this earlier on the call, kind of how.

Um, when um, you know, assets are on Whose balance sheet that can always evolve over time. And obviously, that has a, um, that has an impact on um,

David Calabria: We buy billions of dollars of fleet every single year. We're good at it. So from that perspective, like yeah, we are open to different models. We're talking to different parties. But it was important for us to start with Waymo. We think that given this is a new line for us, it was important that we did it with people that we're philosophically aligned with and that took the time to do this in a thoughtful way. And this is not like, we're not in this to be service providers. You know, we had a stint of that in the past back in 2017 where you know, that was just kind of a, they pay you on a per, you clean the car basis. Like, that's not what's exciting to us.

On, um, the share of process, um, over the long term, and we're obviously open to those discussions. And like I said, we are not opposed to putting our balance sheet to work. We buy billions of dollars of fleet every single year; we're good at it.

Um, so from that perspective, like, yeah, we are, we are we are open to to, to different models. We're, we're talking to different parties, but it was important for us to start with who. Um, we think that given this is a a new line for us. It was important that we did it with people that were philosophically aligned with and that took the time to do this in a thoughtful way. And this is not like we're not in this to be service providers. Um, you know, we had a stint of that in the past back in 2017 where you know that was just kind of a

David Calabria: Like, a real partnership to me is, like I said, when one plus one equals three, it's when risk is shared, when value is co-created. And that's the partnership that we have with Waymo. And that's what we plan to, you know, kind of expand to future cities.

They pay you on a per, you clean the car basis. Like, that's not, that's not what's exciting to us. Like a real partnership to me is like I said, when 1 plus 1 equals 3, it's when risk is shared when value is co-created. And that's the partnership that we have with whmo and that's what we plan to, you know, kind of expand to future cities.

Adam Jonas: Thank you. And then just one question on the numbers. You know, the $900 to a billion dollar EBITDA number for the year and kind of the fleet cost number that you put out there are helpful. But I was just wondering, and maybe you mentioned it, and I missed it. Was there any sort of gain on the depreciation this quarter? And when you look at that $900 million to a billion, are you expecting gains to get to that $310, the $320 number for the year? Thanks.

Thank you. And and then just a quick question on the numbers, um, you know, the 900 to billion dollar debit the number for the year and kind of the fleet cost number that you put out. There are helpful, but I just wondering and and maybe you mentioned it and I missed it. Um, was there any sort of gain on the depreciation this quarter and when you look at that 900 million to a billion, are you expecting gains?

David Calabria: Yeah. There were gains. I think our queue is going to be posted shortly. The gains were smaller than I think the quarter, Daniel, is that right? It was smaller than the quarter before. And what we are guiding to is a net depreciation number. So it does include gains. The issue that we're dealing with right now, like I said on a previous question, we're not cycling the fleet fast enough to be able to kind of harvest more of those gains. The delivery of the model year '25 vehicles are being delayed. The model year '26, we're not sure of just yet. And so while there will be gains, it's not going to be as material as kind of it was in the first quarter.

To get to that, 310 the the 320 number for the year, thanks.

Um, there were games. I think our Q is going to be posted shortly. Um, it's the gains were smaller than I think the court with Daniel, is that right? It was smaller than the quarter before. Um,

Daniel Cunha: And what I would just add to that, John, is it's an incredibly small percentage of the proceeds of cars that we're selling. So if you think of it from that standpoint, like we're depreciating close to a zero gain or loss, and the gains are minimal.

and and what we are guiding to is a net depreciation number. So it does include gains the issue that we're dealing with right now. Like I said um uh on a previous question we're not cycling the fleet fast enough to be able to kind of harvest more of those games. Um the the delivery of the model you're um 25 vehicles are being delayed the model year. 26 we're not sure of just yet. And so um uh while there will be gains uh it's not going to be it's not going to be as material as um as kind of it was in the first quarter and what I would just add to that John is it it's an incredibly small percentage of the proceeds of cars that were selling. So if you think of it from that standpoint like it we're depreciating close to a zero gain or loss and the gains are minimal.

Adam Jonas: Understood. Thank you.

Understood, thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. And thus concludes our call today. We thank you for your interest and participation. You may now disconnect your lines.

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