Q2 2025 Upland Software Inc Earnings Call
Conference Operator: Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Upland Software second quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session, and instructions for that will be given at that time. The conference call will be recorded and simultaneously webcast at investor.uplandssoftware.com, and the replay will be available there for 12 months. By now, everyone should have access to the second quarter 2025 earnings release, which was distributed today at 8:00 to 5:00 AM Central Time. If you have not received the release, it is available on Upland's website. I would now like to turn the call over to Chuck McDonald, Chairman and CEO of Upland Software. Please go ahead, sir.
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Jack McDonald: Thank you and welcome to our Q2 2025 earnings call. I'm joined by Mike Hill, our CFO. On today's call, I will start with a Q2 review, and following that, Mike will provide some detail on the Q2 numbers and our guidance, and then we'll open it up for Q&A. But before we get started, Mike will read the safe harbor statement.
I would like to turn the call over to check back Donald chairman and CEO of Appliance software. Please go ahead sir.
Mike Hill: All right. Thank you, Jack. During today's call, we will include statements that are considered forward-looking within the meanings of the securities laws. A detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties associated with such statements is contained in our periodic reports filed with the SEC. The forward-looking statements made today are based on our views and assumptions and on information currently available to Upland Management. We do not intend or undertake any duty to release publicly any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements. On this call, Upland will refer to non-GAAP financial measures that, when used in combination with GAAP results, provide Upland Management with additional analytical tools to understand its operations. Upland has provided reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in our press release announcing our financial results, which are available on the investor relations section of our website.
Thank you, and Welcome to our Q2 2025 earnings call. I'm joined by Mike Hill. Our CFO on today's call. I will start with a Q2 review and following that Michael will provide some details on the Q2 numbers and our guidance. And then we'll open it up for Q&A. But before we get started, Mike will read the Safe Harbor statement.
Ments is contained in our periodic reports filed with the SEC.
Before we're looking statements made today are based on our views and assumptions and on information currently available to Upland management. We do not intend or undertake any duty to release publicly any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements
on this call upon will refer to non-gaap financial measures that when used in combination with gap results, provide Upland management with additional analytical tools to understand its operations.
Mike Hill: Please note that we are unable to reconcile any forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures to their directly comparable GAAP financial measures because the information which is needed to complete a reconciliation is unavailable at this time without unreasonable effort. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jack.
Jack McDonald: All right. Thanks, Mike. Here are the headlines. In Q2, we beat our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance mid-point. Significantly, we returned to positive core organic growth. So we're starting to see the benefits of our focused growth strategy, zeroing in on markets where we've got the strongest competitive advantage, higher margins, and largest growth opportunities. Now, as a part of that, we have divested a number of assets over the last year, 18 months. And so if you look at our year-over-year declines in total and recurring revenue, those declines were primarily due to the divestitures that we've completed to streamline and to focus our business. But the growth rate of our retained core assets has turned positive. So that's a meaningful milestone for the business. Q2 2025 adjusted EBITDA of 13.6 million resulted in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 25%.
Has provided reconciliation of non-gaap measures to the most comparable gaap measures in our press release. Announcing our financial results, which are available on the investor relations section of our website. Please note that we are unable to reconcile any forward-looking non-gaap Financial measures to their directly comparable. Gaap Financial measures because the information which is needed to complete. A Reconciliation is unavailable at this time without unreasonable effort with that, I'll turn the call back over to Jack.
All right, thanks, Mike here at the headlines in Q2, we beat our revenue and adjusted ebit. Dot guidance, midpoints significantly, we return to positive core, organic growth. So we're starting to see the benefits of our focused growth strategy. Uh,
Zeroing in on markets, where we've got the strongest competitive Advantage, higher margins and largest growth opportunities. Now, as a part of that, we have devasted a number of assets over the last year, 18 months. And so, if you look at our year-over-year declines in total and recurring Revenue, those declines were primarily due to the destitutes that we've completed to streamline and to focus our business. But the growth rate of our retained core assets, has turned positive. So that's a meaningful milestone for the business Q2, 2025 adjusted ebit, da of 13.6 million.
Jack McDonald: Now, that's a 500 basis point increase over our adjusted EBITDA margin of 20% in Q2 of 2024. So as we have divested assets as a part of our growth strategy and focused our business, we have divested our lowest margin assets, and now we're starting to see adjusted EBITDA margins come up as a result. And Mike will talk about this in the guidance, but we see adjusted EBITDA margins moving to north of 30% in Q3. Free cash flow for the second quarter remains strong at 2.7 million, and that was burdened by about 7 million of one-time divestiture-related expenses. Those one-time divestiture-related expenses were mostly related to the termination of a legacy vendor outsourcing contract for R&D that we no longer needed now with the streamlined business and our India center of excellence being fully up and running.
Resulted in adjusted ebit margin of 25%. Now, that's a 500 basis. Point increase over our adjusted, EV down margin of 20% in Q2 of 2024. So, as we have devasted assets, as a part of our growth strategy and focused our business, we have devasted, our lowest margin assets and now we're starting to see adjusted Eva down margins, uh, come up as a result. And Michael talked about this in the guidance, but we see adjusted ebit down margins moving to North of 30%, uh, in Q3
Free cash flow for the second quarter remain strong at 2.7 million and that was burdened by about 7 million at 1 time. Deveste related expenses. Uh, those 1-time devastates are related expenses, were
Jack McDonald: Terminating that contract costs us a little cash upfront, but it is one of the factors that is driving the improvement in our go-forward margins that I just referenced here in Q2 and Q3 and going forward. We welcomed 100 new customers to Upland in the second quarter, including 12 new major customers. We also expanded relationships with 263 existing customers, 28 of which were major expansions. These new and expanded relationships continue to be well-distributed across our AI-powered product portfolio. So it's been a good first half 2025 with increased core organic growth and adjusted EBITDA margin expansion. And as I say, we expect these trends to continue and accelerate through the second half of 2025. On the product front in Q2, I'd note that we earned 68 badges in G2's summer 2025 reports, reflecting strong performance across the product portfolio.
Mostly related to the determination of a legacy vendor Outsourcing contract for R&D that we no longer needed. Now with the streamlined business and our India Center of Excellence being fully up and running terminating that contract costs. Us a little cash up front, but it is 1 of the factors that is driving the improvement in our go forward. Margins uh, that I just referenced here in Q2 and Q3 and going forward.
We welcome 100 new customers to Upland in the second quarter, including 12 new major. Customers we also expanded relationships with 263 existing customers, 28 of which were major expansions, these new and expanded relationships continue to be, uh, well distributed across our AI powered product portfolio. So it's been a good first, half 2025 with increased core, organic growth, and adjusted ebit margin expansion. And, as I say, we expect these Trends to continue, uh, and accelerate through the second half of 2025 on the product, front in 20 in Q2, I'd note that we are in 68 badges in g2's summer, 2025 reports, uh,
Jack McDonald: Our AI-powered knowledge management solutions, Upland Panviva and Upland Right Answers, continue to receive multiple badges. Upland BA Insight, our AI enablement solution, increases recognition this quarter, while Upland Cubidian, our AI-powered RFP response software, also maintains strong momentum in the reports. Upland continues to drive innovation across the portfolio with recent product enhancements. Upland Interfax accelerated a major release focused on new PCI compliance efforts, while Upland Panviva unveiled enhancements including Digital Orchestrator and integration with Microsoft Copilot Studio. Upland Adestra introduced AI-powered subject line updates, launched integrations with Salesforce and Shopify, and is seeing strong momentum with Adestra audiences. Meanwhile, Upland Ingenious integration with ServiceNow launched, and Upland RO Innovation announced two new AI enhancements for sales: Win Content Generation and Summarization. So AI enablement, AI innovation across the product portfolio. We're proud to be included in the 2025 Gartner Market Guide for Customer Service Knowledge Management Systems.
Reflecting a strong performance across the product portfolio, our AI powered Knowledge Management Solutions, Upland pan Vive and Upland. Right? Answers
Continue to receive multiple badges. Uh, Upland ba Insight our AI, enablement, uh, solution increases recognition this quarter while Upland cubed and our AI powered RFP response software. Also maintains strong momentum, uh, in the reports.
Orchestrator and integration with Microsoft co-pilot Studio, uploaded desktop, introduced AI powered subject, line updates launched Integrations with Salesforce and Shopify, and is seeing strong momentum with aestra audiences. Meanwhile, Upland ingenious integration with service. Now, launched and Upland row, Innovation announced 2 new AI enhancements for sales when content generation and summarization. So ai enablement, ai Innovation across the product portfolio.
Jack McDonald: We believe Upland's continued recognition in this guide underscores our commitment to delivering AI-driven knowledge management solutions that empower customer service teams with fast, accurate information to improve customer experiences. Subsequent to the end of Q2, we successfully completed the refinancing of our debt, extending the maturity to July of 2031. We had significant interest from multiple high-quality lenders, and we are pleased to be partnered with private credit direct lender Soundpoint Capital Management. After extensive lender due diligence, Soundpoint validated our AI-focused products, and as a part of that refinancing transaction, we paid down an additional 18 million of debt principal and established a new $30 million revolving credit facility, further strengthening our balance sheet, enhancing liquidity, and supporting our growth strategy. So to recap, we've made some dramatic improvements in the business over the past 12 to 18 months.
We're proud to be included in the 2025 Gartner Market guide for customer service Knowledge, Management Systems. We Believe Uplands continued recognition in this guide, underscores our commitment to delivering AI driven Knowledge Management Solutions, that Empower customer service teams, with fast, accurate information to improve customer experience.
Subsequent to the end of Q2, we successfully completed the refinancing of our debt. Extending the maturity to July of 2031. We had significant interests from multiple high-quality lenders and we are pleased to be partnered with private credit. Direct lender SoundPoint Capital Management.
Jack McDonald: We have streamlined our product portfolio with a focus on markets where we can drive consistent growth and higher margins and profitability. We are AI-enabling our product portfolio. Our adjusted EBITDA margins are expanding dramatically. We have turned the corner here in Q2 and are generating positive core organic growth. And we've strengthened our balance sheet by paying down $242 million of debt since the beginning of last year and now extending the maturity of our debt by six years through our refinancing. And we continue to lower our debt leverage and, again, see that deleveraging continuing into the future. And we have boosted our liquidity with our new revolver. So with that, I am going to turn the call back over to Mike.
After extensive lender due diligence, SoundPoint validated, our AI focused products. And as a part of that refinancing transaction, we paid down an additional 18 million of debt, principal and established a new million dollar revolving credit facility further. Strengthening our balance sheet enhancing liquidity and supporting our growth strategy. So to recap, we've made some dramatic improvements in the business of the past 12 to 18 months. We have streamlined our product portfolio with a focus on markets where we can drive consistent growth and higher margins and profitability. We are AI enabling our product portfolio. Our adjusted ebit da margins or expanding dramatically. We have turned the corner here in Q2 and are generating positive core organic growth. And we've strengthened our balance sheet by paying down to
Mike Hill: All right. Thank you, Jack. I think that Jack covered most of the points on the financials for the quarter, so I'll just make a few additional comments here. For the Q2 income statement, revenues were as expected when taking into consideration our recent divestitures. Q2 gross margins increased from Q1 as expected as a result of higher margins realized on our ongoing product lines. Our adjusted EBITDA and EBITDA margin came in as expected with our adjusted EBITDA margin of 25%, up from 20% from the second quarter of 2024. We see adjusted EBITDA margin expanding to over 30% in the second half of 2025 for a full-year adjusted EBITDA margin of around 27%. For cash flow for the second quarter of 2025, GAAP operating cash flow was 3.3 million and free cash flow was 2.7 million.
242 million dollars of debt since the beginning of last year, and now extending the majority of our debt by 6 years, uh, through our refinancing, and we continue to lower our debt leverage and again, see that deleveraging continuing, uh, into the future and we have boosted our liquidity, uh, with our new revolver. So, with that, I am going to turn the call back over to Mike.
All right, thank you, Jack.
I think the Jack covered most of the points on the financials for the quarter so I'll just make a few additional comments here.
Uh, for the Q2 income statement, revenues were as expected. When taking into consideration our recent investors.
To gross margins increased from q1. As expected as a result of higher margins realized on our ongoing product lines.
Our adjusted ibida and ibida margin.
Uh, came in as expected with our adjusted evida margin of 25% up from 20% from the second quarter of 2024.
we see adjusted IBA margin expanding to over 30% in the second half of 2025 for a full year adjusted, EBA margin of around 27%
Mike Hill: Our Q2 operating and free cash flow included around $7 million of one-time divestiture-related expenses, without which our GAAP operating and our free cash flow would have been greater. In addition, we had some one-time leasehold improvements, capital expenditures during Q2 as a result of our corporate headquarters office move, and we expect the CapEx to reduce back down to normal levels here in Q3 and going forward. Our full-year 2025 target free cash flow is around 20 million. On the balance sheet at the end of Q2, we had outstanding net debt of approximately 217 million, factoring in the approximately $41 million of cash on our balance sheet. At the end of Q2, our gross debt was approximately 258 million. As mentioned earlier, we successfully refinanced all of our outstanding debt on July 25th. In connection with this refinancing, we paid down an additional 18 million of outstanding debt.
For cash flow for the second quarter of 2025 Gap. Operating cash flow was 3.3 million and 3 cash flow was 2.7 million.
Our Q2 operating in free cash flow included around, 7 million dollars of 1-time. Devest your related expenses without which our gaap operating and our free cash flow. Uh would have been greater.
In addition we had some 1-time leasehold improvements uh, Capital expenditures during Q2 as a result of our corporate headquarters office move. And we expect the capex to reduce back down to normal levels here in Q3 and going forward.
Our full year, 2025 Target free cash flow is around 20 million.
On the balance sheet. At the end of Q2, we had outstanding net debt of approximately 217 million factoring in the approximately 41 million of cash on our balance sheet.
Mike Hill: So after this refinancing, our total outstanding debt is 240 million compared to the 294 million as of the end of last year, December 31st, 2024. And now our net leverage after the refinancing is about 3.9 times. Our cash balance after the refinancing is approximately $26 million. Given the normal puts and takes of collections and payables during the remainder of Q3, we're projecting our cash balance at the end of Q3 to be around 18 million. The cash balance plus our new $30 million undrawn revolver gives us ample liquidity. Now for guidance. Our core organic growth outlook is projected to improve to approximately 3% in the second half of 2025. That growth rate assumes that we continue to have no macro disruptions from the tariffs.
40 million compared to the 294 million. As of the end of last year. December, 31st 2024.
and now our net leverage after refinancing is about 3.9 times,
our cash balance after the refinancing is approximately 26 million.
Given the normal puts and takes of Collections. And payables, during the remainder of Q3, we're projecting our cash balance at the end of Q3 to be around 18 million.
The cash balance, plus our new, 30 million, undrawn revolver gives us ample liquidity.
Mike Hill: For the quarter ending September 30th, 2025, we expect reported total revenue to be between 46.8 and 52.8 million, including subscription and support revenue between 44.6 and 49.6 million for a decline in total revenue of 25% at the midpoint from the quarter ended September 30th, 2024. Now, this year-over-year decline is primarily due to divestitures completed to streamline and focus our business. The third quarter 2025 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between 14.5 and 17.5 million, which at the midpoint is a 14% increase as compared to the quarter ended September 30th, 2024. Third quarter 2025 adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to be 32% at the midpoint, which is an 1,100 basis point increase from the 21% adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter ended September 30th, 2024.
now for guidance our our core organic growth Outlook is projected to improve to approximately 3% in the second half of 2025 that growth rate assumes that we continue to have no macro disruptions from the tariffs
For the quarter ending September 30th 2025, we expect reported total revenue to be between 46.8 and 52.8 million, including subscription, and support revenue, between 44.6 and 49.6 million for a decline in total revenue of 25%. At the midpoint from the quarter, ended September 30th 2024. Now this year-over-year decline is primarily due to destitutes uh completed to streamline and focus our business.
The third quarter, 2025 adjusted Heba is expected to be between 14.5 and 17.5 million. Which, at the midpoint is a 14% increase as compared to the quarter ended, September 30th 2024,
Mike Hill: For the full year ending December 31st, 2025, we expect reported total revenue to be between 211.8 and 223.8 million, including subscription and support revenue between 200 and 210 million for a decline in total revenue of 21% at the midpoint from the year ended December 31st, 2024. Now, again, this year-over-year decline is primarily due to the divestitures completed to streamline and focus our business. Full-year 2025 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between 55.8 and 61.8 million, which at the midpoint is an increase of 6% from last year. Full-year adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to be 27% at the midpoint, which is a 700 basis point increase from the 20% adjusted EBITDA margin again for last year.
Third quarter, 2025 adjusted debit on margin is expected to be 32% at the midpoint, which is an 1100 basis point, increase from the 21% adjusted, EBA margin for the quarter, ended September 30th, 2024 for the full year, ending December, 31st 2025. We expect reported total revenue to be between 211.8 and 223.8 million, including subscription, and support revenue, between between 200 and 210 million for a decline in total revenue of 21% at the midpoint from the year ended 20 December, 31st 2024,
Now again, this year-over-year decline is permanently due to the destitute completed to streamline and focus our business.
Full year 2025 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between $55.8 million and $61.8 million. With that, the midpoint represents an increase of 6% from last year.
Mike Hill: Additionally, I will note that we did lower the midpoint of our full-year 2025 total revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance ranges by 700,000 as a result, really as a result of just lower forecasted professional services revenue. So the midpoint of our subscription and support revenue guidance range remains unchanged. And with that, I'll pass the call back to Jack.
Full year, adjusted ebit that margin is expected to be 27% at the midpoint, which is a 700 basis. Point increase from the 20% adjusted debit on margin again for last year.
Additionally, I will note that we did lower the midpoint of our full year 2025 total revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance ranges by $700,000. This adjustment was really a result of lower forecasted Professional Services revenue. The midpoint of our subscription and support revenue guidance range remains unchanged.
Jack McDonald: All right. Thanks, Mike. So that really concludes the call, the prepared comments. If there are any questions, we'd be happy to take them.
and with that, I'll pass the call back to Jack.
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All right. Thanks Mike. Uh, so that really concludes the call, the prepared, uh, comments. Uh, if there are any questions, uh, we'd be happy to take them.
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Scott Berg: Hi, Jack and Mike. Thanks for taking my questions today. Both of them, I guess, kind of surround the refinancing in the quarter, and then I've got probably one quick one on the core business. On the refinance, I guess, first of all, why is private credit the right option versus maybe the other facilities that were out there? And then, you know, as you think about excess cash flow over the next, I don't know, a couple of years, do you save and reserve those for M&A, or is the plan to probably use those to further pay down the debts?
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Mike Hill: Yeah. So Scott, let me take that first one. So regarding private credit, you know, our previous credit facility was a term loan D financing. And given that we've paid down so much debt, again, paid down $242 million of debt since the beginning of last year, this current term facility at 240 million is just really below the size range for the TLD market, credit market. So it made sense for us to move to private credit, and we're excited and feel great about our new partnership here with Soundpoint.
Hi, Jack and Mike, thanks for taking my questions today. Um, both of them, I guess, kind of surround the refinancing the quarter. And then I've got probably one quick one on the core business. Um, on the refinance, I guess, first of all, why is private credit the right option? You know, versus, you know, maybe the other facilities that were out there? And then, you know, as you think about excess cash flow over the next, I don't know, couple of years, do you save and reserve those for M&A, or is the plan to probably use those to further pay down the debts?
Jack McDonald: And Scott, there was a, I think, a second part of your question on capital allocation, and cash flow is going to be directed toward deleveraging. We don't anticipate M&A at this point.
Yeah, so Scott, let me uh let me take that first 1. So regarding private credit, you know, our previous credit facility was a Term Loan B uh financing uh and given that we've paid down so much debt again, paid down 242 million of debt uh since the beginning of last year um this current term facility at 240 million. It's just really below the size range uh for the TLD Market credit Market. Um so it made sense for us to move the private credit uh, and we're excited and and uh, feel great about our new partnership here with SoundPoint.
And Scott, there was a, I think a second part of your question on Capital, allocation.
Scott Berg: Okay. Fair enough. And then, you know, I guess my follow-up question is on the core business here going forward. You're projecting 3% growth in the second half, which obviously is great news. But how do we think about maybe the products or part of the portfolio that is selling well today in this macro? You guys have obviously made a lot of changes in the products and the go-to-market, but what's been most exciting that you're kind of looking at in the second half? Thanks.
Anticipate uh, m&a, uh, at, uh, at this point.
Jack McDonald: We've streamlined our business around knowledge and content management, and we are AI-enabling our portfolio. And we are seeing opportunities in large enterprises as our products become an integral part of larger enterprise LLM implementations. So we're seeing headless knowledge management opportunities for products like Upland Right Answers. Upland BAI Insight provides core connectors to enterprise data systems, which are a necessary part of large enterprise AI implementations. We're also seeing demand for upgrades for our RFP automation product, Cubidian, with our new AI assist capability. So we think AI can be a tailwind for the business, both in terms of a number of our products playing key roles as enabling technologies for larger enterprise AI implementations and the fact that we are improving and innovating our products across the board with AI, creating upsell and expansion opportunities within the existing customer base.
Okay, fair enough. And then, you know, my, I guess my follow-up question is on the, you know, the, the core, uh, business here going forward. You're projecting 3% growth in in the second half, which, um, obviously is great news. But how do we think about, uh, maybe the products or part of the portfolio that, um, is is selling, you know, well, today, in, in this, in this macro, you guys have obviously made a lot of changes in the product and to go to market. But what's uh what's what's been most exciting? You know, that you're kind of looking at in the second half. Thanks, we've streamlined. Our business around knowledge and content management and we are AI enabling our portfolio. And we are seeing opportunities, in large Enterprises as our products. Uh, become an integral part of larger, Enterprise llm, implementations. So we're seeing headless Knowledge Management opportunities.
For products like Upland, right? Answers, uh, Upland.
Bai Insight. Uh, provides core connectors to Enterprise Data Systems, which are a necessary part of large. Enterprise AI, implementations. Uh, we're also seeing demand for upgrades for our
RFP, uh, automation, uh, product cubed, uh, with our new AI assist capability.
So, uh, we think AI can be a tailwind for the business. Both in terms of a number of our products playing key roles as enabling technologies for larger enterprise AI implementations. And the fact that we are.
Improving and innovating our products across the board with AI, uh, creating upsell and expansion opportunities within the existing customer base.
Scott Berg: Very helpful. Thanks, Jack, and thanks for taking my questions.
It's very helpful, thanks Jack. And thanks for taking my questions.
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Mike Hill: Hey, Jack. Hey, Mike. Scott hit on a couple of the topics I was going to ask about, but I wanted to just put a finer point on your comments around M&A. It was unclear to me if that was a near-term comment or, you know, if we look out a year from now, kind of dust is settled on the divestitures. The business is obviously in a much better spot, organically growing, nicely profitable. Is there a future in which you resume M&A activity, or is this going to be a kind of a perpetually, you know, organic growth story?
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Hey Jack. Hey Mike. Um, Scott hit on a couple of the topics I was going to ask about but I wanted to just put a finer point on your comments around.
Jack McDonald: I think it's a near-term comment. I think we are focused on driving organic growth, AI-enabling the portfolio, and continuing to delever here over the next year. But as you say, when the dust settles from all of that, if we see attractive opportunities, then we would look at them and, you know, together with our capital partners. And it is possible that we could look at M&A. I don't see it for this year, but as you say, it's possible a year or so out once the dust settles.
M&a. I I it was unclear to me if that was a near-term comment or, you know, if we look out a year from now kind of dust is settled on the deves. A business is obviously in a much better spot, organically growing nicely profitable. Is there a future in which you resume m&a, activity or is this, is this going to be a kind of a perpetually, you know, organic growth story.
It's a near-term, comment. I think, uh,
We are focused on.
Mike Hill: Yeah. Okay. Makes sense. And then, Jack, I'd love to just kind of hear broadly how you feel about the demand environment, kind of what you're seeing from a pipeline build perspective with, you know, some of the marketing enhancements you've made to the business.
Driving organic growth, AI enabling the portfolio and continuing to de-lever here, uh, over the next year. But as you say when the dust settles from all of that, uh, if we see attractive opportunities, uh, then we would look at them and, you know, together with our, uh, Capital Partners, uh, and it is possible that we could look at m&a. I don't see it for this year, but as you say, it's possible a year or so out, once the dust settles
Jack McDonald: Yeah. Demand environment seems fine. As I say, we, I think, positioned the product so that AI can be a tailwind for us. We continue an investment in demand gen, and we are seeing increasing, if you look at the business over the last five quarters, increases in marketing-sourced bookings, so both our outbound and inbound efforts. We've recently rolled out intent data to supplement the books of business that our outbound SDRs are using. And so we are optimistic about the potential for that new technology to increase our pipeline generation. So that's the basic picture as we stand here today.
Yeah. Okay makes sense. And then Jack, I'd love to just kind of hear broadly, how you feel about the demand environment kind of what you're seeing from a pipeline build perspective, uh, with you know, some of the marketing, uh, enhancements you've made to the business.
Yeah. Demand environment seems
Fine. Uh, as I say we've, uh, I think positioned the products so that AI can be uh, a Tailwind, uh, for us. Uh, we continue and investment in, uh, demand gen. Uh, and we are seeing
Mike Hill: Yeah. That's great. Well, congrats on all the progress. You know, clearly a cleaner and better picture emerging here.
Jack McDonald: Thank you.
Increasing, if you look at the business over the last 5 quarters, uh, increases in marketing sourced, uh, bookings. So both our outbound and inbound efforts. Uh, We've recently rolled out intent data, uh, to supplement the books of business that are outbound, sdrs are using. And so we are optimistic, uh, about the potential for that new technology to increase our pipeline generation. So that's, that's the basic picture as we stand here today. Yeah, that's great. Well, uh, congrats on all the progress, you know, clearly uh, a cleaner and better picture of emerging here.
Thank you.
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Jeff Bondry: Great. Thanks. A couple for you, Mike, and then one for you, Jack. Just, Mike, on the free cash flow, I think the previous GAAD had been 15, so you're bumping it up here. Just walk me through what drove the change, kind of what were the puts and takes that impacted that number?
And your next question comes from the line of Jeff, vanrai with curriculum Capital group, Jeff. Please go ahead.
Jack McDonald: Yeah, Jeff, no problem. Yeah. So we had a little bit less divestiture-related expenses than we were previously forecasting, one. Two is we did sell our swaps here in Q3, and so we got a little bit more cash on the sale of those swaps in conjunction with the refi. And then three is that the tax cash taxes that we were asking to be around 10 million this year are probably going to be less than 9 million as a result of the new tax legislation in the new bill. So anyway, three sort of reasons why we were able to go ahead and raise the free cash flow outlook this year.
Great thanks. Uh, a couple for you. Um, Mike and then 1 for you Jack just um, like on the on the free cash flow. I think the, the previous scat had been 15. So you're bumping it up here. Uh, just me walk me through, what, what drove the change, kind of what were the puts and takes that that, um, that impacted that number.
Jeff Bondry: Great. Thanks for that. That's helpful. And then on the sequentials, I know you were running off the tail of the divested revenue, I believe, in Q2. How much of the revenue in Q2, what was the divested, how do I frame that? What was the revenue from those businesses that have been divested in Q2?
Yeah, Jeff. No problem. Yeah. So we had a little bit less uh the best that you're related expenses. Uh, then we were previously forecasting, uh 1, uh, 2 is, uh, we did sell our swaps uh, here in Q3 and so, um, we got a little bit more cash on the syllabus swaps in conjunction with the refi. Uh, and then, uh, 3 is that, uh, the tax cash taxes, uh, that we were testing to be around 10 million. This year are probably going to be less than 9 million as a result of the new, uh, tax legislation uh, in the new bill. So, um, so anyway, 3, 3 sort of reasons why we were able to go ahead and raise the free cash flow. Outlook this year,
Jack McDonald: It was about 4 to 5 million there, Jeff.
Great, thanks for that, that's helpful. And then on the um, sequential I know you were running off uh the the tail of the de vested Revenue, I believe in Q2 how much of the revenue in Q2, what was the devest, how do I frame that? What was the revenue from those businesses that have been devasted in Q2?
Jeff Bondry: Okay. Got it. Helpful. And then, Jack, just curious, back to the prior question, kind of the sales org and maybe just a little more thoughts of expansion around what's working, what's not, puts and takes on the sales organization, opportunities to further enhance top-line organic growth. Is it really centered around, as you were talking about, top-of-funnel sort of sales process optimization execution? Where does product innovation fall in the sort of the priority list of opportunities to accelerate top-line growth? Just, you know, ultimately, what's going to drive that top-line growth acceleration?
Uh, it was about uh it was about uh 4 to 5 million there. Jeff.
Okay, got it. Um,
Jack McDonald: Yeah. So we've done a ton of work over the past year, 18 months, to AI-enable the product portfolio, particularly those key growth products that we think are going to drive organic growth for us going forward. So I think from a product perspective, we're in pretty good shape. Now, look, obviously, we're constantly innovating and moving the portfolio forward. But as it relates to near-term core organic growth, I think we've got a competitive set of products with which we can win in the marketplace, and the actions we've taken to streamline and focus the business further support that. In terms of where we need to execute and, frankly, where we can execute better, again, on pipeline generation, we've made big progress, and we're seeing that in increases in marketing-sourced bookings. But, you know, frankly, I think we could be doing better on our outbound efforts.
Helpful and then, uh, Jack just curious back to back to the prior question kind of the sales org and and maybe just a a little more thoughts, uh, expansion around, what's working, what's not puts and takes on sales organization opportunities to further enhance Topline. Organic growth, is it really centered around as you were talking about? You know top of funnel sort of sales process, optimization execution uh where does product Innovation fall in the in the sort of the priority list of opportunities to accelerate Topline growth. Just, you know, ultimately, what's going to drive that Topline growth acceleration
Yeah. So we've done a ton of work over the past year. 18 months to AI enable the product portfolio, particularly those key growth products that we think are going to drive organic growth for us going forward. So, I think from a product perspective we're in pretty good shape now, look obviously, we're constantly uh, innovating, uh and uh uh, moving the portfolio forward. But uh as it relates to near-term uh core organic growth, I think we've got a
Jack McDonald: So our inbound efforts, good. All the investments we made around SEO optimization and online presence helping that. I think continuing to fine-tune our outbound lead gen efforts using intent data, I think, will be important for us. Around sales execution, the theme over the last six months, nine months has been hiring in more domain expert sellers. And so we've added a significant number of new salespeople that have come out of direct competitors with a number of years of experience under their belt and really invigorating the salesforce with that kind of domain expert talent. That would be my answer.
Competitive a set of products uh with which we can win in the marketplace and the actions, we take in the Streamline and focus the business. Uh, further support that uh, in terms of where we need to execute and frankly where we can execute better again on Pipeline generation, we've made big progress and we're seeing that increases in marketing, sourced bookings. Uh, but you know, frankly, I think we could be doing better on our outbound efforts, so our our inbound efforts, uh, good. Uh, all the, the Investments we made, uh, around SEO optimization, uh, and online presence, uh, uh, helping that, uh, I think continuing to finetune our outbound uh, lead gen efforts, uh, using intent data. Uh, I think will be important, uh, for us around sales execution.
Jeff Bondry: Great. Very helpful. Thank you.
The theme over the last 6 months, 9 months has been hiring in more domain expert sellers. Uh, and so we've added, uh, a significant number of new, uh, sales people that have come out of direct competitors, uh, with uh, you know, a number of years of experience under their belt and really, uh, invigorating, the sales force, uh, with that kind of, uh, domain expert Talent. So, that would be my, uh, answer
Great, very helpful. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Jack McDonald's for closing remarks. Jack?
Jack McDonald: Okay. Thank you very much for your questions, and we look forward to seeing you on our next earnings call. Thanks very much.
McDonald's for your closing remarks, Jack.
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Okay, thank you very much for your questions. And we look forward to seeing you on our next earnings call. Thanks very much.
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