Q2 2025 Pinterest Inc Earnings Call

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Good afternoon and thank you for joining us.

Welcome to Pinterest earnings call for the second quarter and a June 30th 2025. My name is Andrew somberg and I'm vice president of investor relations in treasury for Pinterest. Joining me on today's call are Bill ready? Pinterest CEO and Julia, Donnelly our CFO.

This conference call is being webcast and we are also providing a slide presentation to accompany our commentary.

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Some of the statements that we make today, regarding our performance operations, and Outlook may be considered forward-looking in such statements, involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

In addition, our results, Trends, and outlook for Q3 2025 and Beyond a preliminary.

And are not an assurance of future performance.

We are making these forward-looking statements based on information available to us as of today. And we expressly disclaim any Duty or obligation to update them later unless required by law.

For more information about assumptions, risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could affect our results, please refer to our most recent Form 10-Q and Form 10-K, each filed with the SEC and available on our investor relations website.

During this call, we will present both gaap and non-gaap financial measures.

Gap measures is included in today's earnings. Press release and presentation.

Which are distributed and available to the public through our investor relations website.

Lastly all growth rates discussed in today's prepared. Remarks should be considered year-over-year, unless otherwise specified.

And now, I'll turn the call over to the bill.

good afternoon, and

Thank you for joining our second quarter 2025 earnings call.

Over the past 3 years, we have made meaningful progress in transforming our product and business to take advantage of the full potential of Interest.

This means seamlessly enabling our users to have dynamic multi-session journeys that take them from inspiration to action, while allowing advertisers to connect with the user across the funnel and ultimately drive performance outcomes.

In order to do this, we're leveraging AI tuned on our unique curation signals to deliver increasingly relevant and personalized content.

This drives further curation Behavior, which provides us with even greater first-party signal for ever improving actionability across our app.

All while distinguishing ourselves as a place for positivity and belonging.

As a result, Pinterest is resonating with our users more than ever before, and we have found our strongest-ever product-market fit.

It's abundantly clear. That Pinterest is an AI winner.

We've never been more popular or valued by our users, and more performant for our advertisers.

Our Q2 results clearly showcase that our increased product velocity combined with our consistent execution against our multiple ways to win, is leading to durable growth.

We ended the quarter with 578 million Maus and 11% increase year-over-year marking yet another quarter of record high users.

At the same time we generated Q2 revenue of 998 million up 17% year-over-year, as we continue to be a vital partner, for advertisers across a range of vertical seeking to reach our leaned in users.

Our consistent performance and ability to take market share demonstrate the effectiveness of our long-term strategy and laser focus on delivering value for our users and advertisers.

Pinterest has been at the Forefront of visual search and has helped create an entirely new way in which users discover explore their tastes and ultimately shop.

As we have significantly improved the relevance and personalization of our content using AI, we've become a destination for our users to explore their expansive set of commercial Journeys.

As I've shared before, 100% of our reported monthly active users are logged in and approximately 85% come to our mobile app directly.

They are coming for new types of purely visual search experiences. Particularly in moments, where a user may not have the words to precisely describe what they're looking for or will know it when they see it.

The visual nature of our platform is particularly attractive to Gen Z, who have been raised on an internet of visual content and thus seek out information differently than other generations.

Pinterest offers the ability to visually explore in a more focused way. That is distinct from other Discovery platforms that are more entertainment driven rather than intent driven.

Today, our platform is resonating with Gen Z more than ever.

I'm excited to share that over 50% of our monthly active users are gen Z, which speaks to the fact that we've built a platform that is deeply resonating with the next generation of users and shoppers.

who are influential casemakers, content creators and a lucrative audience for advertisers to reach

We see that our users including gen Z value, our platform for a number of use cases.

Specifically, the visual nature of our platform lends itself well to use cases, including fashion apparel, beauty, food, beverage, and home decor, which are some of the core use cases on Pinterest.

While those categories continue to be strong, we find that users across demographic groups, leverage Pinterest for a broad range of moments in their lives.

At the same time, we're continuing to broaden our audience across generations and gender.

For example, we're seeing our male users come to Pinterest for searches like rock climbing and aesthetic, which are up 95% year-over-year.

And new mom looking for parenting tips or even actor, Patrick Schwarzenegger creating boards to immerse himself. In the characters, he's playing on screen, there's something on Pinterest for everyone.

As users come to Pinterest for a wide set of use cases to enrich their lives. We gain Rich, first-party, human curation signal at Large Scale as they find inspiration curate their tastes make product associations and ultimately take action.

This proprietary signal is powerful for multiple reasons.

First, as I just noted all of our Maus are logged in with most coming directly to our mobile app.

Next, our signal comes from the hundreds of millions of users actively curating through boards and collages over their multi session Journeys.

Together, this network of many billions of associations between pins, boards, products, and users on our platform comprise our valuable taste graph—a signal that we believe to be unique in the Western world, allowing us to make highly relevant recommendations.

And the more we've doubled down on curation through improved board functionality and new content formats like collages, the more dense our taste graph has become. In fact, as I've mentioned in previous quarters, our taste graph has grown over 75%, over the last 2 years.

and finally, because so much planning and saving activity happens on Pinterest which is often a leading indicator of purchase intent, our signal provides valuable forward-looking insight

As a result, while some platforms, May provide a year-end review recap of what consumers have already done. Our data allows us to uniquely publish an annual report called Pinterest predicts where we share, what is not yet trending but very likely will be in the year ahead.

Based on what users are planning and curating today, for purchases in the future.

And given the data over the last 5 years, 80% of our predictions have come true.

The signal we garnered from user activity is the basis of our leading edge AI recommendation systems, which we use to identify and surface personalized and helpful content to our users.

AI is a core competency of Pinterest and is deeply integrated across virtually. All facets of our business.

With our world-class engineering talent in large Data Corpus. We've developed our own proprietary, AI foundational models for use cases, that are uniquely applicable to the visual nature of Pinterest.

For example, last quarter, I talked about the launch of our multimodal. AI model, powering our new visual search experience. Currently live for women's fashion.

This new user flow allows users for the first time to search and refine their tastes with both image and text inputs on our platform.

Our proprietary in-house built multimodal, AI model, the powers, this visual search experience and is trained on our unique data. Set is 30% more likely to identify and recommend relevant content from our Corpus than leading off-the-shelf models.

Building off this momentum this quarter, we launched a proprietary generative retrieval model on our search and related surfaces to drive further, improvements to personalization across the platform for our users.

This model built completely in-house is utilized within the early stages of our content recommendation system and is trained on past user activity across all our surfaces. And our taste graph of how users associate our Corpus of tens of billions of pens together, to generate an initial set of potential pens to show a user.

Due to the sophistication of this model and the breadth of content and activity is trained on it. Can recommend more relevant and deeply personalized content for our users while also balancing the distribution of fresh content given it is more effective at predicting what a user might like to see.

another example of how we integrate AI to enhance the relevance of the content, we serve our users is through the use of large language models in our search recommendation algorithm,

Leveraging llms in this capacity we can ingest complex and conversational search queries converting them into a format that our models can easily understand and process more effectively, thus leading to better content recommendations for our users.

Our investments in driving deeper relevance and personalization. For our users has led to cumulative gains across the business.

Notably, we observed, a 230 basis point lift in our search fulfillment rate year to date meaning we're connecting users with more of what they're looking for when they're searching on Pinterest.

Over the past 3 years, improvements to relevance and actionability have been at the core of our business transformation.

The compounding impacts of leveraging, our Rich first-party signal within our AI to drive, relevance combined, with our efforts to make it easier for our users to search save. And Shop is reflected in our all-time record users including the outside strength in gen z i described earlier

As we've improved actionability, we've driven increased value for our users and received a greater proportion of our users, take action. This is important because the deeper a user engages, with the platform, the more likely, they are to be retained and the more effectively we're able to monetize

we see this particularly clearly in our, you can region where we've driven the most significant Improvement to actionability Across the platform.

And you can the retention rate of users who take action like a search or save as notably higher than those who engage only in view-based Behavior.

That retention rate.

On click Behavior.

And we see a similar pattern in monetization where users, who take action Drive, significantly more Revenue than those who do not.

We're helping advertisers capture this lower funnel intent on our platform by significantly, improving our ads relevancy, as well as building the foundational components of a performance ads platform with tools like mobile deep links, direct links and Pinterest Performance. Plus

this has created highly relevant shopping recommendations paired with seamless buying experience particularly benefiting our retail and e-commerce advertisers

We are also leveraging AI to continually improve the overall personalization and efficiency of the ads we show users.

These always-on efforts are resulting in higher click-through and conversion rates. As we optimize our AI models to better understand our users' tastes and style.

For example, in Q2, we significantly improved the performance of our large-scale conversion models by incorporating more sequences of signals about a user's commercial journey on the platform.

By strengthening our training data in this way, we can more accurately predict adds that resonate with our users.

In our early AB tests. This launched drove a 5% increase in conversion rates for ads on our lowest funnel ocpm bid type

and while we've made tremendous strides in improving relevance, and actionability for our users, we see continued Runway ahead as we enable new seamless shopping experiences across various categories across our platform,

Take food and beverage for instance which is an endemic and often daily or weekly use case on Pinterest for users, looking for inspiration for recipes meals or events.

Historically, we lack the functionality to help users. Take action on the products. They want to buy in this category.

To address this and Q2, we announced a strategic partnership with Instacart.

Through this collaboration Pinterest ads will soon become directly shoppable via instacart allowing users to complete a purchase in just a few clicks.

Practically, this means we can make a recommendation to a user for a great cocktail recipe based on our knowledge of their taste.

And the user can immediately order the necessary ingredients for delivery to their door.

This provides cpg advertisers with a powerful performance-driven and actual way to connect with Pinterest users.

The partnership. Also, empowers Brands advertising on Pinterest to leverage instacart's, Rich, first-party retail purchase data to effectively reach, high intent, shoppers

We also anticipate rolling out additional, add to cart and buying functionality for cpg, advertisers in the coming months, which will further enable products to be purchased directly on Partner retailer websites.

At the same time, we are continually innovating on our AI powered Pinterest Performance, Plus Suite to drive greater efficiency for advertisers after our initial launch in Q4 2024.

In Q2, we entered beta. Testing for Pinterest Performance Plus creative preview, which allows advertisers to preview, modifications, made by our creative tools, including generative, backgrounds and imagery sizing directly within the campaign setup flow.

They can also easily regenerate any pins that they wish to change.

This helps advertisers maintain control over the creative generation process to ensure the content aligns with their brand, while improving, transparency and building confidence with the product.

And the second quarter, we also launched our campaign customer groups beta within Pinterest Performance Plus campaigns.

This new functionality allows advertisers to combine Their audience data with Pinterest data while utilizing AI trained on our unique signal of user tastes and preferences.

This offers advertisers further granularity over their campaign setup to align with their business goals and drive incrementality.

For example, by bidding more to reach new customers.

Finally, we continue to complement our robust first-party sales efforts with a diversified partner strategy.

This approach aims to capture additional sources of demand, ultimately, improving auction density, and further enhancing the relevance of our ad demand.

This includes integrations with partners, like Smartly, an AI-powered platform assisting e-commerce advertisers in campaign management and optimization.

We are also investing in our relationships with agencies, whom we view as vital Partners within the ads, ecosystem and actively leveraging other complimentary demand sources, including International resellers and third-party demand Partnerships.

Through countless discussions. That I have had directly with the CEOs. And CMOS of our top advertisers, I am more convinced than ever. That Pinterest is offering unique value as a platform within the ads ecosystem.

Advertisers are increasingly recognizing our speed of execution and our consistent ability to deliver on promises with differentiated data, driven insights and expanding global scale.

Or funnel performance.

Lastly, our fundamental ethos of positivity and belonging continues to be a critical differentiator for our platform.

This ethos of positivity has also cemented us as a platform for self-expression in the broader cultural zeitgeist.

And has attracted creators who wish to align themselves with our messaging and uplifting content.

For example, we teamed up with Emma Chamberlain, a popular gen Z influencer in Pinterest, power user to launch our first ever co-branded Global product with her brand Chamberlain coffee. Whose packaging and branding was inspired by the fishermen aesthetic 2025 Pinterest predicts trend.

We prioritize maintaining our inspirational platform and unwavering commitment to positivity and brand safety, which is upheld through policies. Such as private, by default settings, for users, under 18, and supporting Focus during class time.

We also continue to invest heavily in our inclusive, AI tools.

That help users see themselves represented in the content they interact with on Pinterest.

I'm incredibly proud that our advertising partner Dove recently won the canned Lions media, Grand Prix for their real Beauty redefined for the AI era Campaign, which ran exclusively on Pinterest and levers, our inclusive, AI tools and Data Insights.

overall, I'm proud of our team sustained execution, and commitment to delivering for our users and advertisers

With that, I'll turn the call over to Julia to share more details about our financial performance.

Thanks Bill and good afternoon everyone. Today I'll be discussing our second quarter 2025 Financial results and provide an update on our preliminary. Third quarter, 2025 Outlook,

all Financial metrics except for Revenue will be discussed in non-gaap terms unless otherwise specified and all comparisons will be discussed on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise noted

As evident, we are buying our results. This quarter, we're continuing to execute on our multiple ways to win, which are growing users, deepening engagement, while simultaneously increasing ad load with relevant ads as content, driving performance for advertisers with lower funnel product innovations, and complementing our first-party business with new sources of demand.

In doing so. We're taking share in a competitive but growing and Market by building, a strong business with sustainable Revenue growth profitability and free cash flow generation.

We're seeing record high users driven by our efforts to improve the relevance and personalization of the content. We show our users how we are incorporating AI deeply throughout our product.

At the same time we're seeing continued Revenue growth from our efforts to drive greater performance. Through AI driven add stack improvements and automation along with deeper actionability through our lower funnel ad formats.

The compounding effects of these initiatives, combined with our consistent execution, have resulted in a more resilient business than ever before. And there's certainly more to go as we continue to execute on our strategy.

Now, let's move to our second quarter results.

We ended the quarter with 50078 million Global, monthly active users or Maus growing 11% with another quarter of record high users.

We continue to demonstrate user growth across all of our geographic regions.

In Q2, our US and Canada region had 102 million MAUs, growing 5%.

Our Europe region had 146 million Maus growing 7%. And in the rest of World Markets, we had 329 million, Maus growing 14%

Shifting to revenue.

In Q2, our Global Revenue was 9998 Million up 17% on a reported and constant currency basis.

We saw strength across our conversion and awareness objectives.

From a vertical perspective, we continue to see strength across our retail vertical, as well as in financial services.

Turning to our geographical breakouts for Q2.

In the U.S. and Canada, we generated $745 million in revenue, growing 11%.

Strength came from retail and financial services.

In Europe, Revenue was 191 million. Growing 34% on a reported basis or 29% on a constant currency basis.

Strengthen Europe was driven by retail.

Revenue from rest of world was 63 million. Growing 65% on a reported basis or 72% on a constant currency basis.

In Q2, we added impressions, which grew by 55%.

Represent as or add load.

This quarter marked the 12th consecutive quarter since the middle of 2022 with our ad Impressions, growth being driven synergistically by both Total Impressions and add load.

at the same time, add pricing in Q2 declined, 25% year-over-year,

In ad Impressions and corresponding decline in ad pricing continues to be the growing mix shift from ad impressions in previously, unmet monetized or under monetized, International markets, which carry lower ad pricing than our more mature markets.

Moving to expenses.

In Q2, the cost of revenue was $197 million, up 10% year-over-year and up 2% versus Q1, due to increased infrastructure spending related to users and engagement growth.

Our non-gaap operating expense was 555 million up. 14% the increase was due to increase in sales and marketing and R&D as we continue to invest in teams across Ai and other product initiatives, as well as Enterprise sales and support.

Our Revenue, outperformance combined with ongoing cost discipline, led to another strong quarter of adjusted ebita.

Coming in at 251 million.

This resulted in an adjusted ibida margin of 25%. An increase of approximately 310 basis points versus Q2 last year, which exceeded our expectations and was driven by the incremental flow through from the revenue outperformance.

We also delivered, Q2 free, cash flow of 197 million.

We ended the quarter with cash cash equivalents and marketable, securities of 2.7 billion and Q2 we allocated 106 million toward netshare settlement of equity Awards and 53 million towards share repurchases as part of our ongoing efforts to mitigate dilution.

These dilution mitigation efforts have driven a 1% decline in year-over-year, fully diluted share Count versus Q2 2024 which compares favorably to our stated positive. 2 to 3% average annual Target.

Now, we'll discuss our preliminary guidance for the third quarter.

We expect Q3 Revenue to be in the range of 1,033 million to 1,053 million representing. 15% to 17% growth year-over-year.

In assumes the impact of Foreign Exchange to be approximately 1 point of Tailwind based on current spot rates.

Moving down the p&l.

We expect Q3 2025 adjusted ibida to be in the range of 282 million to 302 million.

We anticipate Q3 2025 year-over-year, leverage on non-gaap cost of Revenue to be approximately half of what we delivered in Q2 2025.

Within Q3 non-gaap operating expense our primary area of investment will continue to be headcount growth within R&D. To support our efforts in Ai and other product initiatives, as well as our Global Enterprise sales team.

Looking ahead. We expect to deliver adjusted ebita margin expansion in the second half of 2025, though. The level of expansion will be lower than the more elevated expansion. We delivered in the first half of 2025 as we continue to invest in Revenue, driving initiatives.

In closing, I'm proud of our team for yet another strong quarter results. As we execute against our strategic plans, we are delivering for our users and advertisers, while our multiple ways to win are driving durable Revenue. Growth with that, I'll hand it over to bill for some final words.

Thanks Julia.

I want to thank our teams of Pinterest, our advertising partners, and all the people that come to Pinterest to find inspiration and take action. And with that, we can open the call up for questions.

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First question is from the line of Ron Josie with Citigroup. You don't have to open.

Comment just give him changing search habits. We're hearing more, and more users are starting their search directly on Pinterest. And so just wanted to hear more about the opportunity here as pins gets more direct traffic and particularly younger direct traffic. Thank you.

Thanks Ron. Uh yes you know as you noted user growth overall has been a real bright spot for us and we're growing across all geographies and generations that we track and you know we're increasingly relevant with the Next Generation particularly you know with Gen Z Now accounting for over 50% of our image. Uh followed by Millennials who are our second fastest.

And, you know, to your point on, uh, you know, gen Z coming to Pinterest to search, you know, Adobe, put out a study uh, recently uh that that gen Z use Pinterest as a search destination. They found that 39% of study participants have have used Pinterest as a search, uh, engine, um, and that was 47% for Gen z. Um, you know, and so, you know, over 70% of those users say, the top reason they use Pinterest as a search engine is because it's visually appealing. So you know what we've done around visual search using curation paired with AI to make really, really relevant recommendations.

Where the users say Pinterest just gets me, you know, it's helping them in entirely new forms of search that are both, you know, a mix of, you know, Discovery based on deep knowledge of their taste. But then their ability to really easily refine that taste in a purely visual manner. So, while we see that resonating the most with Z with Gen Z,

that is working across, you know, our platform globally. It is working on our platform across, uh, demographics across uh, generations. And so, you know, that's part of why you see, you know, our our growth, you know, both and you can uh, in Europe and in rest of world, you know, strong growth numbers across all those because that is working globally, but that, you know, AI paired with our unique curation signal on the platform, you know, it's, it's leading users to a place of saying, well, Pinterest just gets me. Um, and we think we got a lot more that we can do there, as we continue to do more and more with with AI. And as we are increasingly a destination with, you know, 100% of our users being logged in, uh, and 85%, uh, coming to our mobile app directly. So, we're we're a destination for these things users are seeking us out, uh, and we think there's a lot of continued opportunity to build upon that.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Eric Sheridan with Goldman Sachs who wants to open.

Thanks so much for taking the questions, Bill. You know, there's been a lot of volatility year-to-date in the broader macro environment. How would you characterize the current demand state for digital ads broadly? And how are you thinking about the potential for volatility in either direction or nuance around budgets as we progress deeper into the year? Thanks.

Uh, thanks. Eric, you know, just broadly speaking, I'd say, you know, as you look at our over delivery on revenue and, and Q2, you know, we saw a bit more constructive, uh, environment than what we had, uh, expected in many others expected at the time of our, our last call, uh, but I'll turn over to Julie to give some more insights and thoughts as to how we're seeing that, uh, going forward,

Yeah um thanks Eric. So I guess for for Q2 you know we saw you know areas that have been strong for several quarters now for us such as you know retail and financial services um continue to be sources of strength and you know as Bill alluded to in his prepared remarks, it we're also seeing continued gains through our investments in AI, which are driving user and engagement growth as well as compounding benefits from improvements to our ad Tech stack as evidenced by outbound quick growth and efficiency improvements for advertisers. So um, you know, while the Tariff impact was was certainly smaller than we anticipated in Q2, we did still see some

Some impact affecting our you can region. For example, Asia based, e-commerce retailers pulled back spend in the US tied to the change in the Dominus exemption but partially offsetting this headwind. We also continue to see, you know really exciting ongoing Geographic diversification from some of these and other retailers to our European and rest of world region. So, you know, outside of UK can in our International markets, we saw a nice acceleration in Q2, both on a reported and constant currency basis in Europe and rest of World. Um, you know, Europe, this was really driven by strength and Retail as we continue to expand our lower funnel and shopping playbooks to to those markets.

To Q3, um, you asked a little bit about sort of, you know, ad environment. Again I'd say as as we talked to advertisers about, Q3 we do hear that some of that tariff related and broader Market uncertainty has continued into how they're thinking about Q. Spend for Q3 though, this varies by Advertiser. And again, it's definitely a relatively more constructive environment than than feared. Um, so we're trying to provide an outlook for Q3 that is responsive to that overall environment. And we'll have to see how the broader Market backdrop plays out. Um, stepping back though, we're we're guiding to a revenue range that is similar to the 17% growth. We just delivered in Q2. So we think the consistency of our Revenue growth year to date really highlights the resilience of our business. And and more importantly, the durability of our many Revenue growth drivers, as we're continuing to execute on our strategy.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Doug anmo with JP Morgan. He wants to open.

I'm having a question. Um, Phil I wanted to ask about Performance, Plus adoption, um, you rolled out roast bidding, uh, in GA in March and then also gave advertisers ability to bring in audience data into Q. Can you just talk about how those initiatives are trending so far? And then what else may be in the pipeline for Performance Plus thanks.

Yeah, thanks Doug. Uh, you know, we're really pleased with what we're seeing on the roll out of, uh, Performance Plus. So we've seen notable early adoption from mid-market advertisers, uh, since the end of last year, the percentage of lower funnel revenue flowing through Pinterest, Performance Plus campaigns has more than doubled. Uh, and so we've consistently talked about how we see that as a multi-quarter multi-year cycle, but we feel really good about the adoption and the performance there. Uh, we're continuing to bring the best offerings for bidding targeting budgeting and creative to advertisers. Uh, as you noted, we launched row as beginning in q1, uh, in Q2, we launched, uh, the the p+ creative previews and campaign customer groups. And so our goal with Performance Plus was to expand our reach beyond the largest retailers. And we're seeing it do exactly that, that Performance Plus gives advertisers, you know, their preferred level of control, and it's also getting us, you know, more into that. Mid-market more into, uh, some of the, you know, that 1 to 30 billion segments and even, you know, uh,

As we go a little bit further, in a small business, we're seeing some early signs there, because Pinterest Performance Plus, is making it much easier for advertisers to come on the platform, I spoke before about how it's cutting campaign creation time in half. Uh, and, you know, they were seeing it lower cost per action. Uh, so we continue to see all those things playing out nicely. And again, what, we're driving what we think will be a multi-quarter, multi-year, uh, adoption cycle and not just the existing features. But as we continue to round out the feature set their

Thank you for your question.

Next question is from the line of Justin Patterson, with keycorp. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you. Uh bill. There's been a lot of talk about just how agentic AI is changing that the search funnel. I'd love to hear you expand around. Just, some of the Investments you're making to, uh, really succeed in this new era and how long you think it'll be before you see some benefits there? Thank you.

Yeah, thanks Justin. Um, you know, first I'd say that, you know, you know, as we've entered sort of this Cambrian moment of, uh, you know, a lot of new AI driven experiences and people thinking about searching in new ways. Uh, Pinterest is an AI winner in that, uh, you know, through that moment Pinterest is more popular than ever. Uh, as we're driving record, highs and users winning with the Next Generation, deepening engagement per user. And at the core of that is that we've really made AI Central to everything that we're doing, you know, while we don't talk about it this way.

Pinterest has effectively become an AI enabled shopping assistant um and we don't talk about it that way because it's not how our users think of it. But when users say things like, you know, Pinterest just gets me. It's because they can open the app and the app's going to make recommendations to them, proactively on things that are that are really interested in that align with their taste and their style. The way that, you know, a really great personal shopping assistant.

And, you know, we think there's a lot more to go on that. And that we think we have something really unique around our curation signal. That doesn't just let us understand the taste for that user individually. But when they curate an associate products,

These kind of sort of yoga apparel or those kinds of things and really unique associations uh that are going to resonate with that user and to your question on a gentic. You know, I think this notion of an agent just you know going and buying all the things for you without you doing anything. I think that's going to be a very, very long cycle for that to play out both in terms of how the users think about it, where the users are going to be, you know, um, ready to just let something go run off and do everything for them, uh, save for maybe some very utilitarian Journeys. Um, uh, but you know, if we look at what's happening on our platform already, we're able to take the user much further down that shopping Journey, assisting them, as I mentioned with, you know, uh, the relevance of our recommendations, uh, you know, that's effectively taking the user much further, down the shopping Journey without them having to do the work. And so we see really great early signs of that. And we think there's a lot more that we're going to be able to do there that we will focus on in a

very user-centric way that meets the user where they are, uh, but with AI and llms, uh, and you know, agentic capabilities, uh, deeply embedded in the way that we're doing that.

So again, you know, through all of that, you know, as we're going through this Cambria moment, Pinterest is more popular than ever and it's because, you know, again, we've made Pinterest into an AI winner and really made the core competency both based on what we're able to do through our engineering, but importantly, the completely unique curation signal that we have on our platform. Hope that's helpful.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Mark schmook with Bernstein Society, General group know it's not open.

Uh yes thanks uh Julia, we seem strong acceleration. Kind of the internet international business, the last few quarters can you perhaps help us Dimension, kind of what's driving that strength between just overall, stronger market dynamics and and what Pinterest is doing to perhaps, uh, close the monetization gap there. Uh, and then bill just to follow up on on, kind of the search question from earlier, you know, appreciate the color, on the traction with visual search. I think the last data point we have on search query volume was from the analyst day. But you know is it reasonable to assume that search volume is kind of growing alongside this changing user? Mix with with more gen Z users. Thank you.

Great, thanks, Mark. I'll, I'll take your first 1 on International. Um, so, you know, we still think that International is a huge opportunity for us in the medium to long term. Um, you know, in Q2 as, as you noted, you know, we we're pleased with the acceleration we're seeing in our International regions and we're starting to see that over the last couple of quarters. We, we are beginning to narrow the gap between UK,

Can and international arpu. There's there's obviously a lot more room to, to go to further narrow that Gap over a multi-year period. But we think the early proof points in Europe with with retail in particular demonstrate that the success we've seen with lower funnel and perform performance ad budgets in Yukon can translate well to large markets abroad with the right focus and execution. Um as a reminder the the monetization and go to market approach does vary country by country internationally. So in Western Europe, it's primarily our first party sales team. Whereas, when you get to longer tail International markets which tend to be in the rest of world region as we report them, um, it's really a mix of our first party sales force, you know, reseller Partners which we've been continuing to ramp and then third party. Add demand through our Google partnership as well. So these markets are, you know, overall sort of lower Tam and have, you know, ad Impressions with lower ecpm in general. And so you're starting to see that affect our overall pricing Trends. Um, however, they're really clearly net revenue accretive and

And you can see that in the accelerating growth rates, um really for the past several quarters and in particular, this quarter. Um, so it represents a large opportunity for us going forward as we start to break into and and grow more meaningful, share in these markets. Yeah. And on your uh, second part of your question mark, uh around, you know, visual search and uh, search volume, you know, a couple things that we've commented on, you know, first as you look at us hitting, you know, record levels of of users, uh, we continue to see the general trend of DP.

In a way where it is more, proactive, it is more contiguous across sessions, it is more personalized, it is more Visual. And again, you know that deeply engagement per user, the resonance with Gen Z. It really is, uh, you know, at the core of that helping them go satisfy intent, which is a kind of thing that is effectively a search type experience, but we're delivering that for them in entirely new ways. So, we continue to feel really great about the progress there. Uh, and again, expect there's a lot more we can do.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Ross, family with Barkleys your line is now open.

Uh, great Julia, could you talk about your investment priorities for uh the second half of this year? The pace of margin Improvement? Uh still up, but it's coming coming down a bit as you noted. So how should we think about that and then bill, um, could you just elaborate a little bit on this new instacart partnership? Sounds like you're integrating some of their shopping data to make cpg. Adds more targeted on Pinterest. Uh, could you just kind of? Yeah, double click into that, and was there an off Pinterest component involved as well? Thank you.

Great. Um, to Ross, I'll thank you for the question. I'll take the first 1 on margins. Um, so I was thinking Q2, you know, we had exceptionally strong Revenue performance of the flow through of that led to, you know, outsized, adjust margin expansion. Um, and then, you know, for the second half we talked about in the prepared remarks that we're expecting adjusted ibida, margin expansion again, but just at a lower level than the elevated expansion than in the first half, but, um, maybe just to give a little bit more color and sort of the areas that we're investing in and, and how we're seeing that play out. So, um, you're already starting to see the pacing of Investments showing up in our expense line. So, our plan investments in R&D are targeted at high value areas that enhance our product, both for users and advertisers

You know, as we look back over the last 18 months, it's just incredibly clear that we've seen, you know, really nice near-term returns from where we focus these Investments, um, particularly within AI to improve, relevance, and personalization. Like Bill was talking about a little bit earlier, you know, leveraging, our unique first-party signal and Technology through llms to strengthen our search recommendation algorithms and and creating new visual experiences um like visual search through our proprietary multi model. Um, so as we've rounded out the adtech stack, um, you know, we're also seeing early Revenue momentum in Europe and rest at World. Um, also in kind of these emerging verticals like financial services that we've continued to call out for the last few Quarters here and across the lower funnel.

Also, as a result, you know, we want to invest in our sales capacity to further lean into that growth that we're starting to see and, and the larger opportunity that we have ahead of this had a have ahead of us there. So to that end, after a period of more aggressive margin expansion in 20 2024, since the start of this year, we've added new sales leaders who are continuing to elevate their teams and add new Talent, particularly in our UK, and Europe, Enterprise sales teams.

Alongside this we're also investing in the growth of our sales. Enablement support, teams bringing in more technical sales talent to support our increased focus on Lower funnel and Performance Based campaigns. So, um, tying that all together, as a result, um, you know, we still expect margin expansion and full year 2025, though, at a, more modest level than the outsized amount. We delivered in 2024 and this is all kind of generally consistent with our prior margin Outlook commentary, provided on previous earnings calls as well.

And on the second part of your question, Ross, around the instacart partnership, you know, we're quite excited about that. You know, as as I've consistently talked about, uh, you know, actionability and and bring actionability into the platform, has been really core to the revitalization of Pinterest over the last 3 years. And we started with, you know, core retail and shopping uh categories but food and beverages have been 1 of those categories that is endemic to our platform, but we're actionability was still, you know, relatively low and you know the partnership with instacart will allow us to do things like, you know, as people are looking at, you know, say a recipe on the platform, you know, immediately go order the ingredients for that recipe.

Sometimes that will be, you know uh in in our app or a really seamless handoff uh, into the retailer to buy from. But again, quite excited to bring that actionability into food and beverage, which is a large endemic category for us.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Brian. Noak with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Thanks for taking my question. Um, I wanted to ask 1 about sort of forward advertising growth. I mean, you guys have made a lot of improvements to the, to, the platform, and you talked a lot about compounding gains over the last 9 months, or so, uh, using GPU nail machine learning when other platforms have done that. We've sort of seen a, a big step in growth and acceleration is, is that an incorrect analog to be sort of applying to Pinterest? Is you sort of, look at the ad Revenue that you're delivering are there are their constraints to how much the business can accelerate? The perhaps we externally? Don't understand. Because you're trying to think about the the path of forward, Revenue growth in the back half and into next year,

Yeah, thank thanks for the question, Brian. Um, I think I've been very, very consistent on this as saying that, you know, think of these things. As, as you know, long-term compounding initiatives. Uh, you know, and I don't know how many more ways I can say, no, hockey stick, no step function, um, because these things, you know, as we're building the performance ad platform, these all have compounding benefits. And so, you know, we're pretty consistently delivering, um,

you know, above the rate of the market growth overall, um, and you know, we feel really good about that, uh, you know, we've really turned the platform into a

A performance advertising platform over the last few years and have increasingly broken into those, you know, always on, uh, performance budgets, uh, you know, really, you know, taking share growing above the rate of the market overall, and we have continued to consistently deliver on that very much in line with the expectations, we set our investor day, uh, delivering, you know, uh, above the high end of our guidance for agents. So we we feel really good about, uh, the way that we are delivering their and we don't see any structural limitations of that. We're a small player in the market, but we're a small player in the market that's growing faster than the market and increasingly relevant in more use cases with more advertisers as we work our way from the largest advertisers down to, you know, sort of the mid-market on down. And I think there's a lot of room for growth ahead. And those things I talked about the Pinterest Performance. Plus, you know, that's really starting to pick up resonance with that mid-market group as we go into a new range of advertisers that we hadn't, uh, been uh, as available to previously, you know, we're seeing that pick up nicely, you're seeing

The International Pickup nicely. So those are all the levers of growth that we laid out in our, multiple ways to win back at our investor day. And, you know, and we're executing on those and delivering in the ranges that we've talked about, you know, consistently on how we would do that. We've also been very consistent that we don't see those as step functions, but instead, as, like long-term compounding benefits of a True Performance ad platform,

Hopefully, that's helpful.

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of Anthony Post with Bank of America humanize that open.

Great. Thanks a couple things um you know, definitely the functionality of the sites. Improving do you see and you mentioned men in your your prepared remarks. But are you seeing more men get on the site and and could there be further breakthroughs there to really expand the audience over time? How you're thinking about that? And then um you know I guess some other sites had a real big acceleration intra quarter but you mentioned you know less variability but more durability could you maybe explain why your auctions could be a little different than than other other sites out there and and and why you could be more durable over time. Thank you.

Thanks Justin. Um, so to your point on, you know, broadening use cases. That is absolutely what we see happening on the platform, you know. So, you know, we've talked about, you know, winning the Next Generation with Gen z. Um, you know, that's going very, very well. I commented, you know, in my prepared remarks uh about, you know, broadening relevance, you know, across

You know, all generations that we track. Uh so we we we're growing across all generations that we track but we're also under lines with more and more men coming to the platform. And the reason we see that, you know, our relevancy is increasing, you know, uh, across all the geographies that we track across the generations, that we track and across gender lines, is that what we're doing around our AI powered, you know, recommendations our AI powered visual search, you know, so much of what people are looking for, is visually driven. And that is true for women. That is true for men. That is true for Gen. Z is true for Millennials as true for, you know, for for Gen X and Boomers.

You know, getting more men on the platform, you know, we put out our men's report that went a little bit deeper into the different things that men are looking for on the platform. Um, and you know it's but it's not just getting men into more things around like apparel and those kinds of things that have been typical on our platform so much of the categories that we have talked about as you know, perhaps more emerging, um, you know, have a lot of, you know, visual nature to them as well. So uh, you know, categories that, you know, I spend time in a lot personally, you know, uh you know, shoes cars watches, those kinds of things.

Those are all very visually driven, uh, and those are resonant across gender lines, uh, as well. And so, we're really pleased with how we see the relevance of the platform, um, you know, improving across geographies across generations and across gender lines.

Yeah. And then I think to get at your second question, Justin, you know, obviously we don't comment on sort of monthly monthly Trends um but I think what you're what you're seeing from us in in Q2 and you know what I would expect in in Q3 as well is that, you know, we're a really vital partner for many of our advertisers, you know, particularly as we break into their more performance-oriented budgets. Um, you're seeing that they continue to you know, really value the full funnel, very unique, full funnel offering that we have um and the sort of leaned in you know, High commercial intent um users that we have who are actively participating in our site. And so you know I think we're, you know, a great partner to those, you know, advertisers and Retail during these moments,

Um, and we're seeing really nice, you know, penetration gains as well. And some of these emerging verticals that we've talked about here, for the last, several quarters, um, seeing some nice, uh, Tailwind. Also in in the mid-market segment, due to some of the early adoption and Performance Plus although still multi multi-year cycle there ahead of us. So, um, that's a little bit more color on that, but I think I think that's all we're going to comment on their

Thank you for your question. Next question is from the line of calling Sebastian with Barrett open

Uh, great thanks. Good afternoon. Um, build the new visual search Tool uh, works really well from what we can tell and I and I guess I'd be curious how you envision that functionality, ultimately contributing to to broader user engagement. And uh monetization and how this helps position you against. Um some of the other visual surfaces that we see cropping up on other AI oriented apps.

And uh, Julia, I guess, curious what you've seen um, in Q2 in terms of me use that reflects seasonality um in North America and Europe and how that might track into Q3, thank you.

thanks Colin, uh, you know, on the visual search part, you know, I think the thing that I'd say there um, you know, is

You know, the uniqueness of our platform and the curation signal that we have that lets us make proactive recommendations. So even before you go search we're giving you recommendations.

For things that are highly likely to be interesting to you and in a much more targeted way than what you would typically find on entertainment based platforms. And those kinds of things because, you know, there is intent expressed on our platform and that allows us to go, you know, make those proactive recommendations. You know, I talked about

You know, on our our new multimodal uh uh model for visual search that you know that is outperforming uh off-the-shelf models by 30 full percentage points on the relevance of the recommendations to our users. And you know, that is, you know, really getting at the uniqueness of that curation. So they don't and the product associations that happen on our platform that let us make those really, really great recommendations. So again, I think that's a place where, you know, you're seeing our, our users users vote directly by coming to us, uh, you know, more and more with these very actionable Journeys. This you know, driving clicks and conversions for advertisers but DP engagement, you know, with the user on our platform. As I mentioned, in my prepared, remarks driving greater retention with those users, because we're really pleased with the experience. They're getting, you know, but at the core of that, is that unique curation signal and then what we're able to do with AI trained against that, that, you know, is is outperforming off-the-shelf models. Like I said, by 304.

Full percentage points on the relevancy of those recommendations based on our unique Corpus. Um, you know, that I think is a real real differentiator. And for context, you know, if if you had outperformed 1 of those off-the-shelf models by 30 basis points, that would be something to be really proud of 30 percentage points. Just really gets to how you need. Our curation signal is

Do c, seasonality, sort of every year particularly in Europe. Uh, just as a reminder and they use a reported on a 30-day, look, back from the last day of the quarter. So you do tend to see sort of summer vacation show up uh in Europe. But on a year-over-year basis we actually accelerated user growth across all regions in Q2. Um and really happy with what kind of what we're seeing there. Not just on the user kind of growth side but also on sort of the the various engagement metrics that we're tracking for a user. It's it's really been a bright bright, bright spot for us as we've been able to drive relevance and personalization through the use of, um, more and more AI as we were talking about, earlier on the call. Um, but also better able to kind of re-engage marginally engaged users. So, um, I think, in the prepared remarks, we talked about how and you can, as we've been able to drive more and more actionability specifically and you can, and we're farthest along there. Um, they were able to kind of better retain users, um, over time, but also better monetize those users over time. So hopefully that gives you a little bit more color there.

Thank you for your question. The final question is from the line of John blackleach with TV security skill lines. Now, open

Oh great. Uh, thanks with uh, AI uh, driving. So many parts of the business, just curious, how pins is competing for talent, particularly AI Talent, given the increasingly competitive market, uh, for for the AI Talent. Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, thanks for the question, John. Um, you know what I would say is that, you know, I think there's, you know, multiple factors involved in how you compete with talent. Money and mission, you know, are two of those. Um, I think also having a really great sandbox for great engineers to experiment in is another. And, you know, as you, you know, uh, are noting, uh, you know, there's definitely competition for talent. Um, you know, the good news is that we're able to align what we're doing with AI to really, really great monetizable use cases that generate returns for us. And so, you know, we're competing for talent in that regard. Um, not at the, you know, most headline-grabbing, uh, you know, numbers that you would see out there. But, you know, those are, those are truly rare instances. But for, you know, more of the folks that are sort of building day-to-day, you know, we're definitely competing and are able to because of the ROI that we're learning on our use cases. You know, but that's on the money side of it. The other really big part of that equation, it's money and mission, and on the mission.

Inside. I think we really, really punch above our weight. Both in terms of what we're doing with tuning AI for positivity.

Uh, you know, creating a more positive alternative to what's happening in the rest of social media. I think there's a lot of people that really want to build for that. I think there's, you know, sort of 2 competing, um, sort of points of view around this where you have, uh, some folks that are willing to sort of throw caution to the wind, uh and you know, uh, you know, do things at all costs. Uh, and I think there's other

Others that, you know, really, really deeply care about making sure that AI is used for good and that AI is used responsibly. And, you know, we're not the only ones uh, that are are building in that regard. But I think, you know, uh, for us and for others that are really, you know, competing on this dimension of AI for good and responsible AI. Uh, you're seeing that the that mission part of the equation, really matters to, you know, many of the best Engineers out there and then also, you know, Engineers are always attracted to a great sandbox. And when you think about what we have with, you know, nearly 600 million monthly active users on our platform that are engaging in a totally unique visual search experience. Um, you know, there are just very few sandboxes out there that can bring that to the equation. There are some that are bigger. Um, but you know, we are, you know, there are very few platforms that ever get above a half a billion users, particularly, with the unique visual Journeys, the unique search Journeys, and the unique curations. You know, that we have that's taught unique to us. Well, you know,

That makes it a pretty unique sandbox. Uh and we see that really helping us punch above our weight.

Thank you for your question. I went out to hand a call back over to Bill already CEO for closing remarks.

Thanks again, to all of you for joining the call and for your questions, we look forward to keeping this dialogue going and we hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

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