Q2 2025 Perella Weinberg Partners Earnings Call
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Taylor Reinhardt: Thank you, operator, and welcome all. Joining me today are Andrew Bednar, Chief Executive Officer, and Alex Gottschalk, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to note that this call may contain forward-looking statements, including Perella Weinberg's expectations of future financial and business performance and conditions and industry outlook. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in the forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future events or performance. Please refer to Perella Weinberg's most recent SEC filings for a discussion of certain of these risks and uncertainties. The forward-looking statements are based on our current beliefs and expectations, and the firm undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
I'll now turn the call over to Taylor Reinhardt, Head of Communications and Marketing. Miss Reinhardt, please go ahead.
Thank you, operator. And welcome all. Joining me today are Andrew Bednar chief executive officer and Alex. Gotcha, Chief Financial Officer.
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Taylor Reinhardt: During the call, there will also be a discussion of some metrics, which are non-GAAP financial measures, which management believes are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. Perella Weinberg has reconciled these items to the most comparable GAAP measures in the press release filed with today's Form 8-K, which can be found on the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Andrew Bednar to discuss our results.
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During the call, there will also be a discussion of some metrics which are non-gaap Financial measures. Which management believes are relevant in, assessing the financial performance of the business.
Perella Weinberg has reconciled these items to the most comparable GAAP measures in the press release filed. With today's Gourmet K, which can be found on the company's website.
Andrew Bednar: Thank you, Taylor, and good morning. Today, we reported second quarter revenues of $155 million and first half revenues of $367 million. While we experienced some variance in reported results this past quarter, the leading indicators in our business, specifically our active engagement count and our gross revenue pipeline, are at peak levels. Our first half revenues were flat year over year, though with a notable difference in composition. In the first six months of 2024, we had two transactions account for over 35% of revenue, which contributed to our record second quarter last year. In the first half of 2025, our business broadened out by industry, product, and geography, and we recorded a higher average fee per engagement. These are encouraging trends reflecting improved client targeting, prudent business selection, and the overall value add we deliver to our clients.
I will now turn the call over to Andrew benar to discuss our results.
Thank you, Taylor and good morning.
Today, we reported second quarter, revenues of 155 million and first half revenues of 367 million.
While we experienced some variance in reported results, this past quarter, the leading indicators, in our business, specifically are active engagement count and our gross revenue pipeline are at Peak levels.
Our first half revenues were flat year-over-year though with a notable difference in composition.
In the first 6 months of 2024, we had 2 transactions account for over 35% of Revenue, which contributed to our record second quarter last year.
In the first half of 2025, our business broadened out by industry product and geography.
And we recorded a higher average fee per engagement.
Andrew Bednar: Without a doubt, we ended the quarter in a better environment than we experienced in April and May. Our teams are extremely busy with the level of client dialogue and related mandates growing, though conversion into announcements, especially for large transactions, has been taking longer. Today, we are still seeing some transactions sit on the edge of announcement due to a variety of factors, including some financing challenges, valuation gaps between buyers and sellers, or in certain industries, operating weakness due to a more cautious consumer. That said, with many active mandates currently in the red zone, we are confident that a broader acceleration in announcements is coming. We are business builders no matter the environment, and to that end, we have made significant investments in our senior talent through both hiring and promotions.
These are encouraging trends reflecting improved client targeting, prudent business selection, and the overall value we delivered to our clients.
without a doubt, we ended the quarter in a better environment than we experienced in April and May
Our teams are extremely busy with the level of client, dialogue, and related mandates growing though. Conversion into announcements, especially for large. Transactions has been taking longer
Today, we're still seeing some transactions, sit on the edge of announcement, due to a variety of factors, including some financing challenges, valuation, gaps, between buyers and sellers or in certain industries, operating weakness due to a more cautious consumer.
That said, with many active mandates currently in the Red Zone, we are confident that a broader acceleration and announcements are coming.
Andrew Bednar: We have more than made up for what I noted last year was a gap in senior hiring. Between now and year-end, we have six Partners and three Managing Directors joining the firm with expertise including software, healthcare services, consumer and retail, insurance distribution, U.K. takeovers, machinery and capital goods, and fintech. In July, we promoted six Managing Directors to Partner, for each a hard-earned and very deserving recognition of the contributions they have made to our business. By year-end, 12 new Partners and nine new Managing Directors will be on our platform, representing our best hiring year on record since entering the public markets. This creates a significant source of future revenue and demonstrates that Perella Weinberg Partners continues to be a destination of choice for top-tier talent across the industry.
We are business. Builders, no matter the environment. And to that end, we have made significant investments in our senior Talent through both hiring and promotions.
And we have more than made up for what I noted last year was a gap in senior hiring.
Between now and year-end, we have 6 partners and 3 managing directors joining the firm with expertise in software, healthcare services, consumer and retail insurance, distribution in the UK, takeovers, machinery and capital goods, and fintech.
In July, we promoted 6 managing directors, to partner for each a hard-earned and very deserving recognition of the contributions they've made to our business.
So, by year-end, 12 new partners and 9 new managing directors will be on our platform, representing our best hiring year on record since entering the public markets.
Andrew Bednar: We also significantly expanded our capabilities with today's announced acquisition of Devin Park Advisors, a premier private funds advisory firm with specific expertise in GP-led secondary. This acquisition creates our private funds advisory business, establishes our position in a large and fast-growing segment of the market, and enables us to expand our coverage of alternative asset managers, including private equity, private credit, infrastructure, venture, and real estate. We've noted in the past that financial sponsors, in particular, were historically underrepresented in our client base and in our revenue. This transaction changes our mix overnight. We're excited to welcome to our firm a group of talented new colleagues from Devin Park, including a Partner and two Managing Directors. I've said in the past that we would consider M&A to advance our growth objectives if the transaction is compelling, not only financially, but strategically and culturally as well.
This creates a significant source of future revenue and demonstrates that plla Weinberg continues to be a destination of choice for top tier Talent across the industry.
And real estate. We've noted in the past that Financial sponsors in particular were historically underrepresented in our client base and in our Revenue, this transaction changes, our mix overnight
We're excited to welcome to our firm a group of talented new colleagues from Devon Park, including a partner and two managing directors.
Andrew Bednar: That is what we have with Devin Park. We expect that the addition of Devin Park will contribute to our financial performance immediately upon closing, and looking ahead, will meaningfully benefit all of our stakeholders: our clients, our teams, and our shareholders. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Alex Gottschalk to review our financial results and capital management in more detail.
I've said in the past that we would consider m&a to advance our growth objectives. If the transaction is compelling, not only financially but strategically and culturally as well. And that is what we have with Devon Park.
Alex Gottschalk: Thank you, Andrew. Our second quarter revenues of $155 million included $28 million related to closings that occurred within the first few days of the third quarter, and which, in accordance with relevant accounting principles, were recorded in the second quarter. Consistent with our first quarter, our adjusted compensation margin remained at 67% of revenues. We will evaluate our accrual level in the back half of the year as we gain clarity on full-year revenue and the current impact of talent investment. Our adjusted non-compensation expense of $36 million for the quarter was a meaningful drop from the prior year and prior quarter and was largely driven by the expected decline in litigation-related costs. For the first half of the year, non-compensation expenses totaled $86 million, up 9.5% from the same period last year.
We expect that the addition of Devon Park will contribute to our financial performance immediately upon closing, and looking ahead will meaningfully benefit all of our stakeholders, our clients, our teams, and our shareholders with that. I'll now turn the call over to Alex, to review our financial results and Capital Management in more detail.
Thank you Andrew our second quarter, revenues of 155 million included, 28 million related to closings that occurred within the first few days of the third quarter. And which in accordance with relevant accounting, principles were recorded in the second quarter.
Consistent with our first quarter, our adjusted compensation margin remained at 67% of revenues.
We will evaluate our approval level in the back half of the year as we gain Clarity on full year revenue and the current impact of talent investment.
Our adjusted non-compensation expense of 36 million for the quarter was a meaningful drop from the prior year. And prior quarter and was largely driven by the expected decline in litigation related costs.
Alex Gottschalk: Given a lower anticipated run rate, we are now modeling a mid-single-digit increase for the full year, which is lower than previously indicated. Our adjusted tax rate for the first half, excluding the benefit from stock-based compensation vesting at a higher price than grant date, was 30% and is in line with our expectation for the remainder of the year. Turning to capital management, in the second quarter, we returned an additional $24 million to equity holders through the net settlement of RSUs, open market purchases, and dividends. In the first half of the year, we repurchased 1.7 million Class A common shares as we continue to look for opportunities to offset dilution from the vesting of stock-based compensation. Since entering the public markets four years ago, we have returned over $675 million to equity holders, including the repurchase of more than 32 million shares and share equivalents.
For the first half of the Year non-compensation expenses totaled 86 million up 9 and a half percent from the same period last year.
Given a lower anticipated, run rate. We are now modeling a mid single-digit increase for the full year.
Which is lower than previously indicated.
Our adjusted tax rate for the first half, excluding the benefit from stock-based compensation investing at a higher price than Grant date was 30% and is in line with our expectation for the remainder of the year.
Turning to Capital Management. And the second quarter, we returned an additional 24 million dollars, to equity holders through the net, settlement of rsus, open market purchases, and dividends
And the first half of the year, we repurchased 1.7 million class, a common shares, as we continue to look for opportunities to offset, delution from the vesting of stock-based compensation.
Alex Gottschalk: At the end of the second quarter, we had 63 million shares of Class A common stock and 25 million partnership units outstanding, and we closed the quarter with $145 million in cash and no debt. This morning, we declared a quarterly dividend of $0.07 per share. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.
since entering the public markets, 4 years ago, we have returned over 675 million to equity holders, including the repurchase of more than 32 million shares in share equivalents,
At the end of the second quarter, we had 63 million shares of class a common stock in 25 million partnership units outstanding and we closed the quarter with 145 million in cash and no debt.
Operator: Thank you, Ms. Gottschalk. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you do have any questions, please press star one on your telephone, and you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. We will go first this morning to Devin Ryan of Citizens JMP.
This morning, we declared a quarterly dividend of 7 cents per share with that operator. Please open the line for questions.
Thank you, Miss. Scott's talk, ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you do have any questions, please press star 1 on your telephone, and you may remove yourself from the queue, by pressing star 2. We'll go first this morning to Devin Ryan of citizens.
Devin Ryan: Hey, good morning, Andrew and Alex. How are you?
Hey, good morning, Andrew and Alex. How are you?
Andrew Bednar: We're doing well, Devin. Good morning.
Alexandra Gottschalk: Hey, good morning.
We're doing well Devin good morning.
Devin Ryan: So, question on the comment about peak level of gross feedback log, I think is what I heard. I just want to make sure, is that including announced deals, or is it off of announced deals? I hate to overly focus on the backlog, but the Dealogic data that some people look at shows it down, I think, a fair amount from the beginning of the year. So maybe just talk a little bit more about what you are seeing in the backlog, just describing it, but then also the momentum in engagement that you have seen just kind of evolve here in recent months. You have given a little bit of detail in the prepared remarks, but just any more color there, and then just how it feels today with some of this complexity relative to maybe even, say, a year ago. Thank you.
Good morning. Um,
so question on, uh, the comment about, uh, you know, peak level of gross feedback log. I think is what I heard. Um, just want to make sure is is that, including announced deals, uh, or or is it off of announced deals? And, you know, I hate to overly focus on on the backlog. But, you know, the deal logic data that that, you know, some people look at shows it down. I think a fair amount from the beginning of the year, so,
Andrew Bednar: Yeah, good question, Devin. Let me start with some nomenclature just to make sure we are level set on what we define as pipeline versus backlog. Backlog we think of is just the announced and pending, and I am not going to comment on the specifics of what Dealogic or any other third-party vendor provides, but we think about backlog as just the announced and pending. Our pipeline is all the activity that we have throughout the firm, which involves engagement letters and also situations where we believe we will be mandated. That, on an un-risk adjusted basis, is trending at peak levels right now. As I said in my remarks up front, we have had some longer duration to convert some of our transactions to announcement. The flow from clients, the new business reviews that I see on my dashboard are growing and they are up.
Maybe just talk a little bit more about, uh, what you're seeing in the backlog, just describing it. But then also, the momentum and engagement that you've seen. Just kind of evolved here in recent months. You've given a little bit of detail in the prepared remarks, but just any more color there and then just how it feels today with some of this complexity relative to maybe even say a year ago. Thank you.
Andrew Bednar: Our engagement letter executions are growing and they are up. The client activity, as I do core sampling around the firm in different industries and geographies, everyone is reporting extremely busy conditions on the ground, but just challenges in getting things announced. I think the tone has changed dramatically from the end of, you know, the middle of the second quarter. As I said, April and May were, you know, pretty tough months overall just to get people focused on getting transactions announced. I think that was an air pocket. Already in July, we have seen a reversion back to a more typical announcement cadence that looks more like the first quarter than the second quarter. So we feel good about looking ahead.
At Peak levels right now as I said in my remarks up front, uh, we have had some longer duration, uh, to convert some of our transactions to announcement. Um, but the flow from clients the new business reviews that I see on my dashboard are are growing and they're up, uh, our engagement letter executions are growing and they're up and the the client activity. As I do course, sampling around the firm in different Industries and geographies. Everyone is reporting extremely busy conditions on the ground. Uh, but just challenges in getting things announced. I think the tone is changed dramatically from the end of, you know, that the middle of the second quarter as I said, April and May were, you know, pretty tough months overall just to get people focused on getting transactions announced. I think that was a an air pocket and already in July, we have seen a reversion back to a typical more typical announcement Cadence that looks more like the the first quarter of the
Andrew Bednar: You know, every time we get on these calls, it is always hard to measure our progress by one quarter, whether it is a great quarter or, you know, a quarter that may not have hit our expectations, but we are building a business for the long term. It is just very, very challenging to get these closing dates exactly to line up with the end of a quarter. But the leading indicators I look at, Devin, look very, very strong.
Devin Ryan: Yeah, yeah, that's great color, Andrew. Thank you. Appreciate the nuance there, but good to hear that. Then, follow-up here on the acquisition this morning. Devin Ryan obviously like the name there, but maybe more importantly, in terms of what it does for your firm. So I'm curious, obviously, it's a small deal, but does kind of push you into private capital in a more meaningful way. So just talk a little bit about how you're thinking about the private capital opportunity for the firm. Is this the backbone to then build more capabilities off of? If that's the case, where do you want to go next or where are the kind of the most immediate opportunities? Then are there areas within private capital that you guys don't want to go into that maybe some of your peers are big in or maybe those are much farther down the line?
In the second quarter. So we feel good about looking ahead. You know, every time we get on these calls, it's always hard to measure our progress by 1 quarter, whether it's a great quarter, or uh, you know, a quarter that may not have hit our expectations, but we're building a business for long term. It's just very, very challenging to get these closing dates, exactly to line up with the end of a quarter. But the leading indicators, I look at Dev and look very, very strong.
Devin Ryan: Thanks.
Andrew Bednar: Yeah, thanks, Devin. So look, Devin Park is a small firm with a big impact. They are a lot like us. They have a more of a workshop mentality than a factory. We are not in the high-volume business. We are very client-centric and very focused on making sure we get superior outcomes for our clients. With that added value on large-scale transactions, we tend to earn a very significant fee. So we feel good about the strategic and cultural fit. Financially, it is not material to our balance sheet or income statement, but it is going to have a significant impact on how we think about and pursue opportunities with our alternative asset manager clients. As I said up front, it sort of ranges from traditional financial sponsors, but also private credit, infrastructure, venture, and real estate. All of these aspects of alternative asset management have liquidity needs.
Yeah, that that's great color Andrew. Thank you. I appreciate the the Nuance there but, um, uh, you know, good to hear that. And then, uh, follow up here on the acquisition this morning, Devon Park advisor is obviously, uh, like the name there. Um, but uh, maybe more importantly, in terms of what it does for, for your firm. So I'm curious I mean, obviously it's a small deal but does kind of uh push you into private capital in a more meaningful way. So just talk a little bit about how you're thinking about the private Capital opportunity for the firm. Is this the backbone to then build more capabilities off of? And if that's the case, where do you want to go next or where are the kind of the most immediate opportunities and then are there areas within private Capital that you guys don't want to go into that. Maybe, you know, some of your peers are are big in or or maybe those are much farther down the line. Thanks,
Yeah, thanks Devin. So look. Devon Park is a small firm with a big impact. Uh, there are a lot like us, they've got, you know, a, a more of a workshop mentality of the factory. We're, we're not in the high volume business, we're very client Centric and very focused on making sure we get Superior outcomes for our clients and with that added value on large-scale transactions. We tend to, you know, earn a, you know, very significant fee. Do we feel good about the, the Strategic and cultural fit, uh, financially, it's not material to our balance sheet or income statement, but it's going to have a significant impact.
Andrew Bednar: You have private capital extending duration across the growth curve of many, many companies that, in some cases, obviates the need to go public, and in some cases, there is not an opportunity to sell. These liquidity needs are really driving the growth of this market, which has been quite extraordinary. We watched it for a while and have decided that it is just too important to our clients not to be in the business. A lot of our thinking around this transaction really emanated from reverse inquiry coming from our clients asking us if we can help with GP-led secondaries. This is a hand-in-glove fit for our strategy in serving the needs of our alternative asset manager clients.
On how we think about and uh, pursue opportunities with our alternative asset manager clients is. And as I set up front, it sort of ranges from traditional Financial sponsors, but also private credit infrastructure, uh, Venture and and real estate, all of these aspects of alternative. Asset Management have liquidity needs. You have a private Capital extending duration across the growth curve of many, many companies that, um, in some cases, obvious, the need to go public and in some cases, uh, there's not an opportunity to sell and so these liquidity needs are really driving. Uh, the growth of this Market which has been quite extraordinary and we've watched it for a while and have decided that it's just too important to our clients, not to be in the business and a lot of our thinking around this transaction, really emanated from reverse inquiry. Coming from our clients, asking us if we could help with GP LED secondaries. And so this this is a a hand and
Andrew Bednar: We think we have got a great cultural fit, and the team at Devin Park has done a great job in building their business in a way that we have built our business. So we are very excited about the combination.
Of fit for, you know, our strategy and, and serving the needs of our alternative asset manager clients. Uh, we think we've got a great cultural fit and the team, uh, Devon park, has done a great job in building their business in a way that that we that we've built our business, so we're very excited about the combination.
Devin Ryan: That's great. If I can just sneak in one more on the partner headcount, I'm not sure if you gave that, but if you could give it for where it ended June. Then I heard the comment about the six partner promotions and the six external hires. So I'm assuming that would be additive to whatever the number is in June. Thanks.
Andrew Bednar: We ended June at 64. Today, we are at 70, and we expect at least 76 toward the end of the year, given the new hires that we have made, subject to any types of retirements or movements. Right now, we are expecting 76 at the end of the year.
That's great. If I can just sneak in 1 more on the the partner. Headcount, I'm not sure if you gave that, but, uh, if you could give it for where it ended June, and then I heard the comment about the 6, uh, partner promotions, and then the 6 exterior higher. So I'm assuming that would be additive, um, to the um, to whatever the number is at June. Thanks,
Devin Ryan: Yeah. Okay, that's great. Thanks for taking the questions.
Here.
Andrew Bednar: Thanks, Devon.
Yeah. Okay, that's great. Well, thanks for taking the questions.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next now to Brendan O'Brien of Wolfe Research.
Thanks Evan.
Thank you, we go next. Now to Brendan O'Brien of Wolfe research.
Brendan O’Brien: Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to touch on the revenue outlook for the remainder of the year. Recognize the tough year-on-year comps for revenues, especially as you alluded to, the two sizable transactions that contributed to the results last year. But just given your constructive outlook for the back half, could you speak to your confidence in your ability to meet or exceed that record 2024 revenues, or is it just too uncertain at this juncture just given the timing of conversion and the like?
Good morning and thanks for taking my questions.
You know, I just wanted to touch on the revenue Outlook.
Andrew Bednar: Yeah, thanks for the question. As you know, we don't give revenue guidance, so I'll stay away from that. We're very happy with our record year last year. It's always hard to replicate those types of fee events, but we're doing a good job given that we're only down 2% in the first half versus last year, which included the record second quarter. I'm very pleased with the broadening out of the business so that we're less reliant on large fee events. We always like large fee events, but we don't like being reliant on them. I'm very happy that we broadened out the revenue base. I feel very good about engagement, takeup, and client receptivity. I'm super excited, as you can tell, by the addition of the capabilities with the Devin Ryan team. Again, a lot of that reflected reverse inquiry from our clients coming in.
Hello. Um, I just want to touch on the revenue Outlook, um, for the remainder of the year, you know, recognize the tough year on your comps for revenues, especially as you alluded to, you know, the 2 sizes. I contributed to the results last year but just giving your constructive outlook for the back half. Uh, could you speak to your confidence and your ability um, to meet or exceed? That record 2024, uh, revenues or you know, is it just 2 uncertain at this juncture to get in the timing of conversion and the like
Yeah, thanks for the question as as you know, we don't get Revenue guidance so I'll I'll stay away from that. We're we're very happy with our record year last year. It's always hard to replicate those types of fee events but we're doing a good job giving that we're only down 2% in the first half versus last year. Which included the record second quarter? Um, I'm I'm very pleased with the broadening out of the business so that we're less reliant on large fee events. We always like large fee events but we don't like being reliant on them. So I'm very happy that we broadened out. Uh, the revenue base, I feel very good about engagement. Uh, take up.
Andrew Bednar: We feel like we'll have an immediate impact as soon as we get that transaction closed, which we expect in October. Whether transactions announce and close within a certain accounting period, as I've said, I know ad nauseam here on these calls over time, it's just very hard to predict when transactions will actually close. We are looking forward to more announcements. We've already seen a better trend in July, and exactly when things close, that's usually in someone else's hands. We will do our best to serve our clients and get transactions that they want announced announced, and then we wait for the closing. It's very hard in our business line to predict quarter to quarter, so I'll stay away from that. Again, the leading indicators are all quite positive.
Up in client receptivity. Um, I'm super excited. As you can tell by the addition of the capabilities with the Devon Park. Team, again, a lot of that reflected reverse inquiry from our clients coming in. Uh, so we feel like we'll have an immediate impact as soon as we get that transaction closed, uh, uh, which we expect in October, um, whether transactions announced and closed within a certain accounting period, as I've, I've said, I know Ad nauseam here on on these calls over time, it's just very hard to predict, when transactions will actually uh close. Uh, we are looking forward to more announcements. We've already seen a better Trend in July and exactly when things close, that's usually in someone else's hands. And so, uh, we will, um, do our best to, uh, serve our clients and, and get transactions that they want to announce to announced. And then, um, we wait for the closing. So it's very hard in our business line to, you know, predict quarter to quarter. So I'll stay away from that. But again, the leading indicators, uh, are all quite positive
Brendan O’Brien: That's helpful, Color. For my follow-up, I've pressed you on recruiting for a few quarters now, so it was really nice to see the pickup in hiring this quarter. I just want to get an update as to what your sales look like, what the recruiting pipeline looks like today, and how you're thinking about balancing your hiring ambitions with managing the comp ratio this year.
That's that's helpful color and for my follow-up, you know, I've pressed you on recruiting for a few quarters now. So it's really nice to see the pickup in hiring, you know, this quarter. So I just want to get an update as to what your sales like what the recruiting pipeline looks like today. And how you're thinking about balancing, your hiring Ambitions with managing the comp ratio um this year.
Andrew Bednar: We are very, very pleased with our recruiting to date. It also, as we have, you know, gone through this now since being public four-plus years, it has a cumulative impact. As we are hiring more people and the quality of the people we are hiring, it tends to attract more people. We have got a very, very steady flow and growing flow of candidates who we think could be interesting for us and exciting to add to our platform. We do not rush into those things. We are still very deliberate. We have got a process that we go through. We also are very sensitive to the integration and to the cultural impact that people will have and too many people might have on the organization. We are still a steady grower in that sense.
Yeah. We're we're very very pleased with our recruiting to date it also because we've you know, gone through this now since being public 4 plus years,
Andrew Bednar: As I mentioned last year on the third quarter call, I do think we missed recruiting a bit last year, but we were so busy and ended up producing a record year. We switched a little bit of our time toward recruiting, and I think we have really good results. As you well know, and you have been a, you know, a proponent of this, and I know have questioned us in the past, so thank you for that. As you know, this is built-in growth now. We have an opportunity now with our new team, new teammates joining the firm to add revenue that, you know, is inherent now in the base of the business. We are excited about that. On comp margins, it is just too early. We usually have a reflection of that in the fourth quarter.
it has a cumulative impact. So as as we're hiring more people, and the quality of the people we're hiring, it tends to attract, uh, more people. And so we've got a very, very steady flow and growing flow of candidates who we think could be, uh, interesting for us and, and exciting to add to our platform. Uh, we don't rush into those things. We're still very deliberate. We've got a process that we go through. Um, we also are very sensitive to the integration and to, um, the cultural impact that people will have and too many people might have on the organization. So we're still a steady grower in that sense. Uh, as I mentioned last year on the third quarter call like I do think we we missed recruiting a bit last year, but we were so busy and ended up producing a record year. So, uh, we uh, switched a little bit of our time toward recruiting and I think we have really good results and that as you well, know, and you've been a, you know, a proponent of this and I know have questioned Us in the past, so thank you for that. But as you know, this is built in grow.
Now, so we have an opportunity now, with our new team, new teammates joining The Firm to add Revenue, um, that, you know, is inherent now in the, in the base of the business. So we're excited about that.
Andrew Bednar: Right now, we are accruing where we were in the first quarter, and that is our best estimate for the year. We are managing, you know, through our investments and sort of watching our revenue development, but it is just too early in the year to make a move on that.
On on comp margin, it's just too early. We, we usually have a reflection of that in the fourth quarter. Uh, right now we're crewing where we were in the first quarter. And that's our best estimate for the year and we're managing, you know, through our investments and and sort of watching our, uh, Revenue development. But it's it's just too early in the year to make a move on that.
Brendan O’Brien: Great. Thank you so much for taking my questions.
Andrew Bednar: You're welcome.
Right, thank you so much for taking my questions.
Operator: Thank you. We go next now to Alex Gottschalk of KBW.
You're welcome.
Alexandra Gottschalk: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. Just curious on your view relating to the large-cap deal outlook specifically. We have seen a number of large strategic tie-ups here announced in the past couple of weeks, and it seems like momentum there is building. Do you think conversations or activity levels in this part of the market are back to or maybe close to the pre-April levels, or is there still somewhat of a wait-and-see element of some C-suites wanting to have a bit more macro clarity or maybe see how some of these recently announced deals progress before committing to a deal themselves? Thanks.
Thank you, we go next now to Alex Bond of KBW.
Strategic tie-ups here, announcing the in the past couple of weeks and seems like momentum, there is building. Um, but do you think conversations or activity levels? Um, in this part of the market, um, are, are back to or maybe close to, um, the pre-approval levels or is there still some of a, maybe a wait and see element, um, of some sea Suites going to have a bit more, macro Clarity or or maybe. Um, so you have some of these recently announced deals progressed before um committing to a deal themselves. Thanks.
Andrew Bednar: Yeah, thanks for the question, Alex Gottschalk. I think for sure, in not just large-scale transactions, but really across the board, the price has thawed on that already. I think there's an outlook and a look forward rather than a look behind. I think people have managed through all the tariff turmoil and believe that we're going to come through that fine. It won't be without impact, but it'll be fine. I described the word that most of our executives and clients are using in that regard. You saw, and we've seen a very significant increase in large-scale transactions. They were in some industries that were not present. That happens when you're a smaller-scale player as we are. We're working on our scaling. As you know, that's a significant part of our strategy to scale up the business.
The price is thought on on that already. And I think there's, um,
An outlook and a look forward rather than a look behind. I think people have managed through all the tariff turmoil and believe that we're going to come through that fine. Um, it won't be without impact, but it'll be fine. I describe the word that most of our...
Andrew Bednar: But those transactions are, I think, a green light to other companies considering larger-scale transactions. We're in a market where typically transactions beget transactions. So that trending is a very positive thing, not just for large-scale transactions, but for the broader market.
Uh, Executives and clients are are using in that regard. And you saw, we've seen a, you know, very significant increase in large scale transactions. They were in some industries that were not present. Um, so, you know, that happens when you're a smaller scale player as we are, uh, we're working on our scaling, as you know, that's a significant part of our strategy to scale up the business, uh, but those transactions are I think a, you know, green light to other companies considering larger scale transactions. So, we're in a market where typically transactions be get transactions. So that trending is a very positive thing not just for
Alexandra Gottschalk: Got it. That makes sense. Then maybe just for my follow-up, specifically on the restructuring outlook through year-end, just given that, obviously the changing backdrop that we have seen since April, you had mentioned on the previous call that you are seeing heightened activity levels there, kind of during that tariff uncertainty. But, obviously, the backdrop has changed since then. So wondering if you could run through how you have seen activity levels or how you have seen activity levels evolve in that space in the months since.
Large-scale transactions. But for the broader Market,
Got it, that makes sense. Um, and then maybe just for my follow-up, um, specifically on the, on the restructuring Outlook through year end. Um, just given that, you know, the changing back to the, um, changing Backdraft that we've seen since April, you had mentioned on the, on the previous call that, um, you know, you were seeing heightened activity levels there, um, kind of during that, um, tariff uncertainty. Um, but, you know, obviously the backdrop has changed since then. So, wondering if you could run through how you've seen activity levels, um, or how you have seen activity levels involved, um, in that space in the months since,
Andrew Bednar: The restructuring business is part of our broader financing and capital solutions business. When I think about that business combined, it is trending toward a record year. They are doing extremely well, very busy. That was one business that was uninterrupted during April and May. That trending has continued. I think, generally, you go through some periods of what I have just described as ingestion and digestion. You have moments where you are incredibly busy on executing and then moments where you have to get back out and market. We go through those periods of time. Generally, the trends in that business still look very strong, and we have not seen the historic cyclicality hit yet. I am not sure it will.
Andrew Bednar: I think the base of that business is generally just a higher base with less volatility, and the amplitude, I think, has been reduced over time where that business just creates a pretty steady ballast for the rest of our activity around mergers and acquisitions advisory and now in funds advisory.
The restructuring business is part of our broader financing and Capital Solutions business. And when I think about that business combined, you know, it's trending toward, uh, a record year. So they're doing extremely well, very busy. Uh, that was 1 business, that was uninterrupted during April and May, that trending is continued, I think, um, generally you go through some periods of what I would just described as ingestion and digestion. So you have moments where you are incredibly busy on executing and then moments where you have to get back out and and market. And so, we go through that those periods of time. But generally the, the trends in that business, still look very strong and we haven't seen the historicity hit yet. Um, I'm not sure it will. I think the base of that business is generally just a higher base with
With less volatility and the amplitude I think has been reduced over time where that business just um creates a you know, pretty steady ballast for the rest of our, for the rest of our activity around m&a and now and funds advisory.
Alexandra Gottschalk: Great. That's helpful color. Thank you.
Andrew Bednar: Thank you.
Great. That's helpful, caller. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. We go next now to James Yaro with Goldman Sachs.
Thank you.
Brendan O’Brien: Thanks for taking the question. You obviously substantially increased hiring this year both organically and through the acquisition announced this morning. What is the scale you believe you could achieve from a senior banker base over the next few years? Is there any way for us to sensitize that growth or think about how much growth you could achieve? Longer term, is there a ramification you would expect to the comp ratio from that growth?
Thank you, we go next. Now to James yarrow with Goldman Sachs.
Uh, thanks for taking the question. Um, so you obviously this substantially increased hiring, so you're both organically and through the acquisition announcements, this morning. Um, what is the scale you believe you could achieve uh from a senior Banker base over the next few years and anyway, for us to to sensitize that growth or think about how much growth you could achieve.
Um and then you know, longer term uh you know, is there a uh ramification you would expect to to the comp ratio from from that growth.
Andrew Bednar: Yeah, thanks, James. Good morning. Right now, we have no limitation on hiring more partners and Managing Directors. It is really for us a question of whether they are the right fit, whether they have the caliber of expertise and client coverage that makes sense for us strategically and financially. So we will continue to apply the same criteria to enter new people onto our platform. We are again excited about that pipeline, and so that looks very, very promising. We are also just cautious culturally in adding too many people and wanting to make sure that we are not just simply adding to headcount, but we are adding the right people and that they are going to help create value for our firm and for all of our stakeholders.
Yeah, thanks James. Um, good morning
You know, right now we have no limitation on on hiring.
More partners and managing directors. It's really for us a question of whether they're the right fit, you know, whether they have the caliber of expertise and and client coverage that makes sense for us, strategically and financially. So we'll continue to apply the same.
Criteria to, um, enter new people onto our platform. We're again, excited about that pipeline.
Andrew Bednar: I think what we said at IPO time back in 2021 is somewhere around five to seven hires, and then you would probably have some retirements. So we were looking at four to five net. We will be way above trend this year, which makes up a bit for last year. So that feels good. But generally, we are still in that same zone. That might trend upward a little bit as we grow, but also we are working very hard to make sure that we have a fair number of internal promotes. This year, we have got a terrific class of internal partner promotes with the six individuals that we previously announced. So there is a mix of growing the partner base through internal hires as well as external hires. So we will continue to have that mix.
And so that looks very, very promising. Um, we're also just cautious culturally about adding too many people and want to make sure that we're not simply adding to headcount, but we're adding the right people and that they're going to help create value for our firm and for all of our stakeholders. So.
Andrew Bednar: As we head into the year-end, it is going to be back to about a third of our partnership. We will have been here less than three years. So that is an exciting embedded growth for us that we are going to hopefully get returns on as we head into 2026 and beyond.
But also we're working very hard uh to make sure that we have a fair number of internal promotes. And this year we've got you know, a terrific class of internal partner promotes with the 6 individuals that we've pre previously announced. And so there's a mix of, you know, growing the partner base through internal hires as well as external higher. So we'll continue to have that mix but as we head into the year end you know it's going to be back to about a third of our partnership will have been here Less Than 3 years. So that's exciting embedded growth for us that we're going to hopefully get Returns on um as we head into 26 and Beyond.
Brendan O’Brien: That's great. Thanks. Any update that you could provide around capital return aspirations going forward, given, you know, the scale of the organic investment and obviously that consumes some of that, you know, capital that could otherwise be returned to investors?
That's great, thanks. Um, any any update that you could provide around, uh, Capital return aspirations going forward, given, you know, the the scale of the organic investment and obviously that consumes some of that, um, you know, Capital that could otherwise be returned to, to investors.
Andrew Bednar: Yep. We're always thinking about our share count. We're laser-focused on making sure we're growing EPS through taking down the share count. We obviously have stock-based compensation every year that naturally increases that share count. So we look to mitigate that and still will look to mitigate that. We also have natural opportunities to buy in share equivalents through net settlement as well as through our partnership exchanges, which happen every quarter. We've got opportunities to buy in those equity positions. More recently, we have invested in the business. I think on balance, if we can invest more in the business and generate revenue and return, that is a prudent, a very prudent use of our capital. We won't do that to exclude the opportunity to return capital to our shareholders.
Yep. We're always thinking about our um, share count. We're we're laser focused on on making sure. We're we're growing EPS through taking down the share count. We obviously have stock based compensation every year that
Uh, naturally increases that Share account. So we look to to mitigate that and still will look to mitigate that. We also have natural opportunities to buy in, uh, share equivalents through.
Uh, net settlement, as well as through our partnership exchanges, which, uh, happen every quarter. So, we've got opportunities to buy in, uh, those, um, those Equity positions more recently, we have invested in the business, I think on balance, if we can invest more in the business and generate revenue and return, uh, that
Andrew Bednar: Right now, it is a more attractive use of our capital to build the business with the opportunities that we have seen now in the last quarter or two with new hires, but also with the Devin Ryan transaction. There'll be moments where we are a little heavier on investment and a little lighter on return. That's probably the zone we're in now. We're still always mindful, as you know, we are large owners of our shares, and we do look to mitigate the impact of our stock-based comp issuance. Dividend, as you heard today, we have it maintained at $0.07.
That is a prudent, a very prudent use of our Capital, uh, but we won't do that, you know, to exclude the opportunity to return Capital to our shareholders, but right now it is a more attractive use of our of our Capital uh, to build the business with the opportunities that we have seen now in the last quarter or 2 with new hires, but also with the with the Devon Park transaction. So
Alexandra Gottschalk: That's very clear. Thank you so much.
There'll be moments where we, uh, are a little heavier on investment and a little lighter on return. That's probably the Zone we're in now, but we're still always mindful. As you know, we are large owners of our shares and we do look to mitigate the impact of our stock-based comp issuance. And, you know, dividend as you heard. Today, we have at maintained at 7 cents.
Andrew Bednar: Thank you.
That's very clear. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. It appears we have no further questions this morning. Mr. Bednar, I would like to turn things back to you, sir, for any closing comments.
Andrew Bednar: Okay. Thank you very much. As you can sense from our comments, we're very excited about our future prospects. We welcome the Devin Ryan team to our Perella Weinberg Partners team. I appreciate everyone joining the call today, and we'll catch up again in a few months. Thank you.
Thank you and it appears. We have no further questions this morning. Mr. Bednar. I'd like to turn things back to you sir for any closing comments.
Okay, thank you very much. Um, as you can sense from our comments were very excited about our future, prospects, we welcome uh, the Devon Park team, uh, to our pla Weinberg team. I appreciate everyone joining the call today and we'll catch up again in a few months. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's Perella Weinberg Partners' second quarter 2025 earnings call and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. Goodbye.
Thank you again, ladies and gentlemen. That will conclude today's Perella Weinberg Partners Q2 2025 earnings call and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day. Goodbye.