Q2 2025 NPK International Inc Earnings Call

Jim (Conference Operator): Ladies and gentlemen, good day. Thank you for standing by. My name is Jim, and I will be your conference operator. At this time, all lines have been placed into a muted and listen-only mode to prevent any background noise. We're happy to welcome you today to this NPK International second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. As a reminder, today's session is being recorded, and after today's prepared remarks, you will have the opportunity to ask questions. If you would like to signal for a question, simply press star and one on your telephone keypad. To remove yourself from the queue, simply press star and one as well. And now, to get us started with opening remarks and introductions, I am pleased to turn the floor over to Mr. Gregg Piontek. Welcome, sir.

Ladies and gentlemen, good day. Thank you for standing by. My name is Jim, and I will be your conference operator. At this time, all lines have been placed into a muted and listen-only mode to prevent any background noise. We are happy to welcome you today to this NPK International second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. As a reminder, today's session is being recorded. After today's prepared remarks, you will have the opportunity to ask questions.

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And now to get us started with opening your marks and introductions, I am pleased to turn the floor over to Mr. Greg fiance. Welcome sir.

Gregg Piontek: Thank you, operator. I'd like to welcome everyone to the NPK International second quarter 2025 conference call. Joining me today is Matthew Lanigan, our president and chief executive officer. Before handing over to Matthew, I'd like to highlight that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements regarding future business and financial expectations. Actual results may differ significantly from those projected in today's forward-looking statement due to various risks and uncertainties, including the risks described in our periodic reports filed with the SEC. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update our forward-looking statements. Our comments in today's call may also include certain non-GAAP financial measures. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our quarterly earnings release, which can be found on our corporate website.

Thank you, operator. I'd like to welcome everyone to the NPK International second quarter. 20125 conference call

Joining me today is Matthew, lanegan, our president and chief executive officer.

Before handing over to Matthew. I'd like to highlight that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements regarding future business and financial expectations.

Actual results May differ significantly from those projected. In today's forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties including the risks described in our periodic reports filed with the SEC.

except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update our forward-looking statements,

Our comments in today's call may also include certain non-gaap Financial measures.

Gregg Piontek: There will be a replay of today's call, and it will be available by webcast within the investor relations section of our website at npki.com. Please note that the information disclosed on today's call is current as of August 6th, 2025. At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, we will open the line for questions. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to our president and CEO, Matthew Lanigan.

Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable. Gaap, Financial measures are included in our quarterly earnings release which can be found on our corporate website.

there will be a replay of today's call and it will be available by webcast within the investor relations section of our website at NPK cam

Please note that the information disclosed on today's call is current as of August 6, 2025.

At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, we will open the line for questions and with that, I'd like to turn the call over to our president and CEO. Matthew lanegan

Matthew Lanigan: Thanks, Gregg, and welcome to everyone joining us on today's call. We are very pleased with our execution through the first half of 2025, which continued to validate our long-term growth strategy and unique value proposition. We believe that our strong first-half results clearly demonstrate that our singular focus on worksite access and our commitment to rental fleet scale, geographic expansion, and service quality are being increasingly recognized by our growing customer base. Total second quarter revenues were $68 million, delivering a 5% sequential increase. Pleasingly, while the second quarter 2025 was relatively in line with the second quarter last year, last year's results included a record $30 million from product sales, while this year's revenues reflect a much larger contribution from rental activities. Rental revenues came in at $32 million, reaching yet another single quarter record and representing a 34% increase year over year.

Thanks Greg and welcome to everyone joining us on today's call.

We have a very pleased with our execution, through the first half of 2025, which continued to validate our long-term growth strategy and unique value proposition.

We believe that our strong first half results, clearly demonstrate that our singular focus on work site access and our commitment to rental Fleet scale. Geographic expansion, and service quality are being increasingly recognized by our growing customer base.

Total second quarter revenues were 68 million, delivering a 5% sequential increase.

Please pleasingly while the second quarter 2025 was relatively in line with the second quarter last year. Last year's results, included a record 30 million from product sales. While this year's revenues reflect a much larger contribution from rental activities,

Matthew Lanigan: We believe that the increase in rental revenues provides a more consistent and stable growth profile supported by strong demand across our core utilities and critical infrastructure customers. As we touched on last quarter, customer rental demand surged late in the first quarter, including several concurrent large-scale transmission projects, which continued through the second quarter. To meet this concentrated surge in customer demand, we leveraged our rental fleet and logistics capabilities, as well as our third-party network, demonstrating our ability to scale rapidly and to deliver for our customers. Product sales activity also remained robust, generating $22 million of revenue, reflecting continued strength in demand from utility companies and other fleet owners supporting the utilities and critical infrastructure markets.

Rental revenues came in at 32 million reaching yet, another single quarter record and representing a 34% increase year-over-year.

We believe that the increase in rental revenues provides a more consistent and stable growth profile supported by strong demand across our core utilities and critical infrastructure customers.

As we touched on last quarter, customer rental demand surged late in the first quarter, including several concurrent large-scale transmission projects, which continued through the second quarter.

To meet this concentrated surge in customer demand, we leveraged our rental Fleet and Logistics capabilities as well as our third party Network demonstrating our ability to scale rapidly and to deliver for our customers.

Matthew Lanigan: Given the continued demand and robust outlook across our served markets, we maintained our commitment to the expansion of our rental fleet, investing a net $8 million in the second quarter, strengthening our scale, customer responsiveness, and ability to serve the needs of the largest critical infrastructure projects. Also consistent with our capital allocation priorities, we used $6 million of cash in the second quarter to purchase 1% of our outstanding shares. As we look ahead to the second half of the year, we are encouraged by the strength in market activity, as well as our pipeline of rental projects and product sales heading into the seasonally slower summer months. Given the combination of our strong performance in Q2 and our current visibility into the second half, we have raised our full-year revenue and EBITDA expectations for 2025.

Given the continued demand, a robust Outlook across our serve markets, we maintained our commitment to the expansion of our rental. Fleet investing in net, 8 million in the second quarter. Strengthening our scale customer responsiveness and ability to serve the needs of the largest critical infrastructure projects.

All second systems with our capital allocation priorities. We used $6 million of cash in the second quarter to purchase 1% of our outstanding shares.

As we look ahead to the second half of the year, we are encouraged by the strength in Market activity, as well as our pipeline of rental projects and product sales heading into the seasonally slower summer months.

Matthew Lanigan: And with that, I'll turn the call over to Gregg for his prepared remarks.

Given the combination of our strong performance in Q2 and our current visibility into the second half. We have raised our full year revenue and EBA expectations for 2025.

Gregg Piontek: Thanks, Matthew. I'll begin with a more detailed discussion of our second quarter and first-half results, then provide an update on our outlook for 2025 and our capital allocation priorities. As Matthew touched on, second quarter revenues benefited from the late Q1 broad-based surge in rental demand, which included several large-scale utility infrastructure projects that continued through the second quarter. Total rental and service revenues were $46 million for the second quarter, with rental revenues improving 13% sequentially and 34% year over year, while associated service revenues declined 4% sequentially but improved 15% year over year. Revenues from product sales remained robust at $22 million for the second quarter, up modestly sequentially but down $8 million from the record result in Q2 of last year.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Greg for his prepared. Remarks.

Thanks Matthew.

I'll begin with a more detailed discussion of our second quarter and first half results. Then, I will provide an update on our outlook for 2025 and our capital allocation priorities.

As Matthew touched on second quarter. Revenues benefited from the late q1, broad-based surge in rental demand, which included several large-scale utility infrastructure projects that continued through the second quarter.

Total Rental and service, revenues were 46 million for the second quarter.

With rental revenues, improving 13% sequentially and 34% year-over-year. While Associated service revenues declined, 4% sequentially, but improved, 15% year-over-year,

Revenue from product sales remained robust at $22 million for the second quarter, up modestly sequentially but down $8 million from the record result in Q2 of last year.

Gregg Piontek: For the first half of 2025, rental and service revenues have increased 25% year over year, while revenues from product sales are relatively in line with prior year. By industry, our year-over-year growth in rental and service revenues was driven by broad-based demand growth in power transmission, pipeline, and general construction, somewhat offset by a lower contribution from the oil and gas sector, while product sales continue to be heavily directed to power transmission. Turning to gross profit, the second quarter result was relatively in line with the prior quarter, with the gross margin primarily impacted by the elevated cross-rental activity in support of the sharp surge in customer demand. Gross margin was 36.9% in the second quarter, down from the exceptionally strong 39% in the first quarter, and relatively in line with the 37.2% in the second quarter of last year.

For the first half of 2025 rental and service revenues have increased 25% year-over-year.

While revenues from product, sales are relatively in line with prior year.

By industry, our year-over-year growth in rental and service revenues was driven by broad-based demand growth in power transmission, pipeline, and general construction, somewhat offset by a lower contribution from the oil and gas sector. While product sales continue to be heavily directed to power transmission.

Turning to gross profits. The second quarter result was relatively in line with the prior quarter with the gross margin primarily impacted by the elevated. Cross rental activity in support of the sharp surge in customer demand.

Gross margin was 36.9% in the second quarter.

Gregg Piontek: Second quarter SG&A expenses totaled $13.7 million, an increase of $1.9 million sequentially and $900,000 year over year. The sequential increase is primarily attributable to elevated costs associated with performance-based incentives, including long-term incentive programs linked to the company's share price, as well as programs tied to 2025 sales, profitability, and other performance targets. The second quarter SG&A also included $300,000 of severance charges associated with our ongoing rightsizing efforts. FX gains provided a must-have win to the quarter, driven by the US dollar to British pound currency fluctuation. Income tax expense was $3.5 million in the second quarter, reflecting an effective tax rate of 28%. Adjusted EPS from continuing operations was 11 cents per diluted share in the second quarter, compared to 12 cents in the first quarter and 10 cents in the second quarter of last year.

Down from the exceptionally strong 39% in the first quarter and relatively in line with the 37.2% in the second quarter of last year.

Second quarter sgna expenses totaled 13.7 million, an increase of 1.9 million sequentially.

And 900,000 year-over-year.

Increases primarily attributable to elevated costs, associated with Performance Based incentives, including long-term incentive programs, linked to the company's share price.

As well as programs tied to 2025 sales, profitability, and other performance targets.

The second quarter SG&A also included thousand dollars of severance charges associated with our ongoing right-sizing efforts.

FX games provided a Mazda Tailwind to the quarter driven by the US dollar to British Pound, currency fluctuations.

Income tax expense was $3.5 million in the second quarter, reflecting an effective tax rate of 28%.

Adjusted EPS from continuing operations was 11 cents per diluted share in the second quarter, compared to 12 cents in the first quarter and 10 cents in the second quarter of last year.

Gregg Piontek: Turning to cash flows, operating activities generated $21 million of cash in the second quarter, including $19 million from net income adjusted for non-cash expenses and $2 million of cash provided by a net decrease in working capital. Total investing activities used $6 million, which included $10 million of net CapEx, substantially all of which was invested into fleet expansion, partially offset by $4 million of additional proceeds from last year's divestiture. Additionally, as Matthew touched on, we used $6.2 million to purchase 818,000 shares under a repurchase program, reflecting an average purchase price of $7.58 per share.

Turning to cash flows operating activities generated 21 million of cash in the second quarter including 19 million from net income adjusted for non-cash expenses.

And $2 million of cash provided by a net decrease in working capital.

Total investing activities used $10 million, which included $10 million of net capex, substantially all of which was invested into fleet expansion, partially offset by $200,000 of additional proceeds from last year's diversity.

Additionally, as Matthew touched on, we used 6.2 million to purchase 818,000 shares under a repurchase program.

Gregg Piontek: Looking at the year-to-date cash flows for the first half of 2025, we've generated a total of $30 million of cash from operating activities and $15 million of additional proceeds from the fluids divestiture, using $18 million to fund net capital expenditures and expanding our MAT rental fleet by approximately 8% from the end of 2024, while also using $17 million to repurchase shares at an average purchase price of $6.45 per share, reducing our outstanding share count by 3% from the end of 2024. We ended the quarter with total cash of $26 million and total debt of $9 million for a net cash position of $17 million. Additionally, we have $148 million of availability under a new bank facility.

Reflecting an average purchase price of $7.58 per share.

Approximately 8% from the end of 2024.

While also, using 17 million to repurchase shares at an average purchase price of $6.45 per share, reducing our outstanding share count by 3% from the end of 20124.

We ended the quarter with total cache of 26 million in total debt of 9 million for a net cash position of 17 million. Additionally, we have 148 million of availability under a new bank facility.

Gregg Piontek: At the end of the quarter, we have roughly $4 million of net assets remaining related to the fluid sale, including the $5 million note receivable bearing interest at 12.5%. Now turning to our business outlook, as disclosed in yesterday's press release, in light of the continued strength in rental project activity and robust product sale demand, particularly within the utilities and pipeline sectors, we have increased our full-year 2025 expectations with total anticipated revenues now in the $250 to $260 million range and adjusted EBITDA of $68 to $74 million. The midpoint of our 2025 range reflects 17% revenue growth and 29% adjusted EBITDA growth over 2024.

At the end of the quarter, we have roughly 4 million of net assets remaining related to the fluid sale including the $5 million note, receivable bearing interest at 12.5%

Now, turning to our business Outlook as disclosed in yesterday's press release in light of the continued strength, in rental project, activity and robust product, sale demand, particularly within the utilities and pipeline sectors. We have increased our full year 2025 expectations, with total anticipated revenues now in the 250 to 260 million range.

And adjusted EVA of $68 million to $74 million.

Gregg Piontek: Breaking our full-year revenue expectation down further, we expect total rental and service revenues to grow in the high teen to low 20s percentage range over 2024, while product sales, which are more difficult to predict, are expected to grow by roughly 10 to 15% over 2024 levels. Our net CapEx expectation remains unchanged at $35 to $40 million, which includes roughly $10 million of maintenance capital. As for the near-term outlook, we expect to see Q3 rental activity pull back from the exceptionally strong Q2 result, including the effects of the typical summer seasonality in the utility sector. Though we expect third-quarter rental and service revenues will show similar year-over-year growth as the first half of 2025. On the product sales side, we expect Q3 activity to remain at a similar level to the Q2 result.

The midpoint of our 2025 range reflects 17% revenue growth and 29% adjusted EBITDA growth over 2024.

Breaking our full year Revenue expectation down further. We expect Total Rental and service revenues to grow in the High Teens to low 20s percentage range over 2024 while product sales, which are more difficult to predict are expected to grow by roughly 10 to 15% over 2024 levels.

Our net capex expectation. Remains unchanged at 35 to 40 million, which includes roughly 10 million dollars of Maintenance capital.

As for the near-term outlook, we expect to see Q3 rental activity pull back from the exceptionally strong Q2 results, including the effects of the typical summer seasonality in the utility sector.

So we expect third-quarter rental and service revenues will show similar year-over-year growth as the first half of 2025.

On the product sales side, we expect Q3 activity to remain at a similar level to the Q2 results.

Gregg Piontek: Q3 gross margin is expected to remain in the mid-30s range, reflecting the ongoing trendatory effects of the elevated cross-rent activity. In terms of SG&A, we expect Q3 expense will return to the Q1 level following the elevated incentive costs recognized in Q2. As we discussed previously, we are actively working to streamline our overhead structure for the simplified business, and we expect to drive additional reductions late in the year, as our goal of mid-teens percentage of revenue by early 2026 remains unchanged. In terms of taxes, we are still evaluating the full effects of the recent tax legislation.

Q3 gross margin is expected to remain in the mid-30s range reflecting the ongoing transitory effects of the elevated cross rent activity.

In terms of sgna, we expect Q3 expense will return to the q1 level. Following the elevated incentive costs, recognizing Q2

As we discussed, previously, we are actively working to streamline our overhead structure for the simplified business. And we expect to drive additional reductions late in the year, as our goal of mid teens percentage of Revenue by early 2026 remains unchanged.

Gregg Piontek: Based on our preliminary analysis, we anticipate the legislation will have a minimal impact to our effective tax rate, though we expect to see additional cash flow timing benefits through the accelerated tax deductions of certain capital investments, which, coupled with our existing US NOL and other carryforward tax benefits, should limit our cash tax obligations for the next several years. In terms of our capital allocation strategy, we continue to prioritize investments in the growth of our rental fleet and also expect to continue returning a portion of our free cash flow generation to shareholders through our programmatic share repurchase program. With the completion of our new facility in June, we now have approximately $175 million of cash and available liquidity, which provides much greater flexibility to support our strategic growth plans. And with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Matthew for his concluding remarks.

In terms of taxes, we are still evaluating the full effects of the recent tax legislation.

Based on our preliminary analysis, we anticipate. The legislation will have a minimal impact to our effective tax rate. So we expect to see additional cash flow. Timing benefits through the accelerated tax deductions of certain Capital Investments, which coupled with our existing Us, nol and other carry forward tax benefits should limit our cash tax obligations for the next several years.

In terms of our Capital allocation strategy, we continue to prioritize investments in the growth of our rental, Fleet and also expect to continue returning. A portion of our free cash flow generation to shareholders through our programmatic share repurchase program.

With the completion of our new facility in June, we now have approximately 175 million of cash and available liquidity. Which provides much greater flexibility to support our strategic growth plans.

Matthew Lanigan: Thanks, Gregg. We remain very pleased with our strong performance, which we believe continues to validate our unique value proposition and growth outlook. As discussed previously, our strategy for 2025 remains focused on three foundational elements to drive long-term shareholder value creation through scale enhancement, operating efficiency, and return of capital optimization. Our primary focus remains on achieving consistent revenue growth through the scale-up of our high-return rental business, which includes a combination of geographic expansion and market share growth within our currently served markets. As previously discussed, a big component of this is the effectiveness of our commercial front end, where we remain very pleased with the team's strong execution.

And with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Matthew for his concluding remarks.

Thanks Greg.

We remain very pleased with our strong performance which we believe continues to validate our unique value proposition and growth Outlook.

As discussed previously our strategy for 2025 remains focused on 3 foundational elements to drive long-term shareholder value creation through scale enhancement, operating efficiency and return of capital optimization.

Our primary focus remains on achieving consistent Revenue. Growth through the scale up of our high return rental business, which includes a combination of geographic expansion and market share growth within our currently served markets.

Matthew Lanigan: Our quota volumes continue to grow meaningfully year over year, while our award rates remain in line with historical levels, resulting in a 33% year-over-year growth in rental revenues for the first half of 2025, with similar year-over-year growth expected in the third quarter. To support this growth, we expanded our MAT rental fleet by approximately 13% in 2024 and by an additional 8% in the first half of 2025, as we continue to build on our leading position within the rental market. Our second focus area is on driving operational efficiencies across every aspect of our business. During the quarter, we had some noise associated with certain performance-based incentive costs recognized. However, we continue to make progress in our efforts to streamline our overhead structure to achieve our target SG&A as a percentage of revenue in the mid-teens by early 2026.

As previously discussed, the big component of this is the effectiveness of our commercial front end, where we remain very pleased with the team's strong execution.

Revenues for the first half of 2025, with similar year-over-year, growth expected in the third quarter.

To support this growth, we expanded our M rental Fleet by approximately 13% in 2024 and by an additional 8% in the first half of 2025 as we continue to build on our leading position within the rental market.

Our second Focus area is on driving operational efficiencies across every aspect of our business.

Matthew Lanigan: And our final priority is the allocation of capital beyond our organic requirements. With a strong balance sheet and a disciplined approach, we continue to execute on programmatic share repurchases while thoughtfully evaluating core strategic inorganic opportunities that increase our market coverage, value, and relevance to customers in key critical infrastructure markets. In closing, I want to thank our shareholders for their ongoing support, our employees for their dedication to the business, including their commitment to safety and compliance, and our customers for their ongoing partnership. And with that, we'll open the call for questions.

During the quarter, we had some noise associated with certain performance-based incentives and costs recognized. However, we can continue to make progress in our efforts to streamline our overhead structure to achieve our target SDNA, as a percentage of revenue, in the mid-teens by early 2026.

And our final priority is the allocation of capital beyond our organic requirements with a strong balance sheet and a disciplined approach. We continue to execute on, programmatic, share purchases while thoughtfully, evaluating core strategic inorganic opportunities, that increase our Market coverage, value and relevance to customers in key critical infrastructure, markets.

In closing, I want to thank our shareholders, for their ongoing. Support our employees, for the dedication, to the business, including their commitment to safety and compliance, and our customers for their ongoing partnership. And with that, we'll open the call for questions.

Jim (Conference Operator): Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'd like to conduct our question and answer session. As a reminder, if you're joined today and you would like to ask a question, please press the star and one on your telephone keypad. And if you find your question has been asked, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star and one once more. Today, we ask that you limit yourselves to a question as well as one follow-up before returning to the queue. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, that is star and one for a question. We'll take our first question today from the line of Aaron Spicala at, excuse me, at Gregg Hallam. Please go ahead.

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Aaron Spychalla: Yeah, good morning, Matthew and Gregg. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe first for me, you know, you noted you're seeing longer contract durations and increased visibility as a result. Can you just talk a little more about that dynamic, you know, what it means for the business? You know, how many days or months is this and how that might affect margins? And do you expect this to continue as you kind of look at the pipeline and just demand over the next couple of years?

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Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, thanks, John. I'll jump in on that and Gregg can catch up anything I miss. Look, I think this is a dynamic we've been talking about now for several quarters in terms of our focus on pushing for the larger duration projects. I think the nature of what we're seeing coming through the pipeline now is showing a larger percentage of those. I think that's consistent with what you're probably hearing from the larger utilities or contractors as these big transmission projects start to take off. In terms of margin, I think what you're seeing is you'll see, you know, some slightly lower service revenues associated with that, but the longer duration rental revenues means we get some increased utilization on the assets. So net-net, that should be a reasonably strong help to the margins. I think we've seen that the last couple of quarters.

Yeah, good morning, Matthew and Greg. Thanks for taking the questions. Um, May first for me, you know, you noted, you're seeing longer contract durations and and increase visibility as a result. Can you just talk a little more about that Dynamic? You know what it means for the business. Um, you know, how, how many days or or months is is this and um, how that might affect margins and and do you expect this to continue? As, as you kind of look at the pipeline and, and just demand over the next couple years,

Anything I miss look I did I think this is a dynamic. We've been talking about now for for several quarters. In terms of our focus on pushing for the larger duration Pro projects. I think the nature of what we're seeing comes through the pipeline now is is showing a larger percentage of those. I think that's consistent with what you're probably hearing from the large large uh, utilities or contracts.

Matthew Lanigan: So, you know, at this point, it looks like we're seeing, you know, our pipeline consists of a reasonable percentage of those. So we're hopeful that this is a trend that'll continue.

Is as as these, uh, big transmission projects start to take off in terms of in terms of margin. I think what you're seeing is you'll see you know some slightly lower service revenues associated with that. But but longer the longer duration, rental revenues means we get some increased utilization on the assets. So net, net? That should be a reasonably strong help to to the margins. I think we've seen that the last couple of quarters. So, um, you know, at this point, it, it looks like we're seeing, you know, our pipeline consists of a reasonable percentage of those. So, we're, we're hopeful that this is a trend that will continue

Aaron Spychalla: All right, thanks. And then just maybe second on the guide, you know, it does imply, you know, a little bit more, you know, softness in the second half, I suppose. I know you have seasonality and it's been kind of hot here recently. Can you just talk a little bit about, you know, some of the puts or intakes in there between the low end and the high end and just trying to think of, you know, potential conservatism there?

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, I guess the way I'd frame it is on the two different revenue streams. On the R&S side, obviously, there you've got the Q3 seasonality, which always remains a little bit of unknown how hot, how dry it is, and the overall effects there. So that definitely impacts the Q2 versus Q1. But the other element is also on, or yeah, Q3 versus Q, first half, rather. But the other element is on the product sales. The first half of the year was pretty strong. As we've said in the past, that's the piece that's a little more difficult to predict and forecast. So not necessarily expecting that same level of product sales in the second half of the year, but still, as we framed up on a year-over-year basis, we're talking about pretty healthy growth.

All right, thanks and then um, just maybe second on the guide, you know, it does imply, you know, a little bit more, um, you know, softness in in the second half I suppose, I know you have seasonality and it's been kind of hot here recently. Can you just talk a little bit about, you know, some of the puts are, are intakes in in there between the low end and the high end. And, and just trying to think of, um, you know, potential conservatism there.

The frame. It is on the on the 2, different revenue streams on the RNs side, obviously. Um, there you've got the Q3 seasonality. Um, which I always remains a little bit of unknown, how hot how, how, how dry it is, and the overall effects there. So that definitely impacts the Q2 versus q1. But the the other element is also on, or yeah, 23 versus q q, q first half rather. Um, but the other element is on the product sales. Um,

The, the, uh, first half of the year was pretty strong as we've said in the past, that's the piece that's uh, a little more difficult to predict and and forecasts. So, um, not necessarily expecting that same level of product sales in the, uh, second half of the year, but still as we framed up on a year-over-year basis, we're talking about pretty Healthy Growth.

Aaron Spychalla: Right. Okay, understood. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll turn it over.

Matthew Lanigan: Thanks, Aaron.

Right. Okay understood. Uh, thanks for taking the questions, I'll turn it over.

Jim (Conference Operator): Ahmed Dayal at HC Wainwright, you have our next question.

Amit Dayal: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Hey, guys. So with respect to, you know, these utility projects, transmission projects, I mean, from where you sit, like, where do you think we are in terms of, you know, the stage of, you know, deployment, I guess? Are we still in the early stages? Do you still see a pretty decent runway in front of you trying to, you know, those tailwinds, you know, for that sector?

Ahmed Dial at HC. Wayne Wright, you have our next question.

Thank you. Uh, good morning, everyone.

Um,

You guys, so with respect to, you know, the utility projects, transmission projects, any...

From where you sit, like, where do you think we are in terms of, you know?

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, Ahmed, you know, we've spent a lot of the second quarter at a number of industry events and talking to our customers. And I would say we are reasonably early in this wave of spending. You know, the transmission forecasts moving forward from here are very robust. I think if you listen to the utilities, they're all reaffirming or upping their CapEx commitments to transmission infrastructure buildout. So I think the activity is there. Obviously, some of the unknowns is timing related. It'd be nice if all of these things just stacked up quarter after quarter, but sometimes either supply chain or other things mean that's not the case. But we're pretty excited about what we're hearing from our customers and the level of activity that they're seeing over the next five years.

Stage of, you know, deployment, I guess is, are we still in the early stages? Do you still see, uh, pretty decent runway? In front of you, try to, you know, those Tailwinds, uh, you know, for that sector.

Yeah, I'm at, you know, we've spent a lot of the second quarter at a number of Industry events and talking to our customers. And I would say

we are reasonably early in this in this wave of spending, you know the the transmission forecast moving forward from here, a very robust. I think if you listen to the utilities they're all reaffirming or upping their capex commitments to transmission infrastructure build out. So I think the activity is there, obviously, some of the the unknowns is is timing related. Uh, it would be nice. If all of these things, just stacked up quarter after quarter, but sometimes either supply chain or other

Amit Dayal: Thank you for that. Just my last one, I guess. You know, you have a pretty solid balance sheet. Cash flows are positive. Like, you know, if you're going to look for potential acquisitions to, you know, drive a little bit more growth, you know, where would that come from? And, you know, are you seriously considering any, you know, efforts on that side, or are you maybe just, you know, waiting to see, you know, how the market develops? Just trying to see, you know, what the level of urgency you might have in terms of, you know, using the balance sheet and the tailwinds, you know, you are seeing in the sector to maybe drive additional growth.

Other things mean that's not the case. But we're, we're pretty excited about what we're hearing from our customers and the level activity that they're seeing over the next 5 years.

Thank you for that. Um, just um, my last 1 I guess. Um,

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, Ahmed, I think we're in a good position, and we can be very thoughtful about the way we do this. You know, it is something that we are considering. We've been talking about it for a while, but we're not going to be overpaying for things or doing anything that's irrational. We are definitely looking at what we consider close core. We think we understand the risk profile and know what we're doing in this space. So things that are complementary to that and associated with our core market are definitely things that we're looking at. But as you said, we're in a good position. We're not in a rush, and we'll continue to be thoughtful about that.

You know, you have a pretty solid balance sheet. Cash flows are positive like, you know, if if you're going to look for potential Acquisitions to, you know, drive a little bit more growth, you know, where would that come from? And, you know, Are you seriously considering any, you know, efforts on that side or are you maybe just, you know, waiting to see, you know, how the market develops. Um, just trying to see, you know what, the level of urgency you may have, in terms of, you know, using the balance sheet and the Tailwind, you know, you are seeing in the sector to maybe drive additional growth.

Yeah. Um, I

and we can be very

Amit Dayal: All right, guys, that's all I have. Thank you.

thoughtful about the way we do this. Um, you know, it is something that we are considering we've been talking about it for a while, but we're not going to be overpaying for things or doing anything that's, um, irrational. We, uh, we are definitely looking at what we consider close core. We think we understand the risk profile and know what we're doing in this space. So so things that are complimentary to that and associated with our core marketer are definitely things that we're looking at. But uh, um, as you said we're we're in a good position. We're not in a rush. Uh and we'll continue to be thoughtful about that.

Matthew Lanigan: Thank you.

All right guys, that's all I have. Thank you.

Thank you.

Jim (Conference Operator): We'll go next to Alex Rigel at Texas Capital.

We'll go next to Alex ryel at Texas Capitol.

Alex Rygiel: Thank you. Very nice quarter, Matt and Gregg. A couple of quick questions here. First, as it relates to your fleet expansion year to date, is that on track with your plan? And, you know, are there some scenarios, and what are the scenarios where you might actually accelerate that this year or into next year?

Thank you. Very nice quarter, Matt and Greg couple quick questions here first. Um,

Gregg Piontek: Yeah, I would say that overall our CapEx plan, we're running very much on plan. You know, we haven't been able to generate a higher level of rental revenue growth really coming from the utilization, a higher utilization run rate. So that's really helped the efficiency. I would say in terms of the evaluation or the increase to that, that would really be dependent on what we're seeing here in the second half of the year, how that plays out. As we've said in the past, you know, it starts with maintaining your inventory, your finished good inventory to allow you to respond to the market needs and will deploy assets into the fleet as needed.

As it relates to your fleet expansion year-to-date, is that on track with your plan? And, you know, are there some scenarios—and what are the scenarios—where you might actually accelerate that this year? Or is it next year?

Yeah, I I would say that overall our capex plan, we're running very much on plan. Um, you know, we have been able to generate a higher level of uh rental Revenue growth really coming from the utilization, a higher utilization run rate.

So, that's really helped the efficiency. I would say the, in terms of the evaluation, or, or the, um, increase to that, that would really to be be dependent on what we're seeing here in the second half of the year. How that, uh, plays out. Um, as we've said in the past, you know, that it's a, it starts with maintaining your inventory, your finished good inventory, to allow you to respond to the market needs and will deploy assets into the fleet as needed.

Alex Rygiel: That's helpful. And then geographically, can you talk about some of the markets that you're investing more into your fleet right now?

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, I think if you break it down, definitely the South has been busy for us. You know, along the Gulf Coast, Texas market and moving further east have definitely been strong for the first half. We look ahead and we think markets like the Midwest are going to be strong moving forward from there as well. So I think that's pretty much the way it's breaking down.

That's helpful and then geographically. Can you talk about um some of the markets that you you're investing more into your Fleet right now?

Yeah, I think if you uh, if you if you break it down, definitely the South has been busy for us. Um, you know, the along the Gulf Coast Texas market and and and moving further east of definitely been strong for the first half. Um we look at we look ahead and we think markets like the Midwest are going to be strong moving forward from there as well. So I think that's pretty much the way it's breaking down.

Alex Rygiel: Excellent. Thank you very much.

Excellent, thank you very much.

Jim (Conference Operator): Our next question will come from Jerry Sweeney with Roth Capital. Your line is open.

Gerry Sweeney: Good morning, Matt and Gregg. Thanks for taking my call.

Our next question will come from Jerry Sweeney with Roth Capital? Your line is open.

Matthew Lanigan: No worries, Jerry.

Uh, good morning, Matt, Greg. Thanks for taking my call.

Gerry Sweeney: Just maybe one more question on growth. A couple popped up, but maybe slightly different tack. Is there any place that you are not in that you think would offer good opportunity for growth? And if not, to have you move into that area organically or otherwise?

No worries, Jerry.

Um, just um, maybe one more question on both. A couple of popped up, but, uh, maybe slightly different packed. Is there any place that you are not in that you think would offer good opportunity for growth? And if not, how do you move into that area? Organically, or otherwise?

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, Jerry, I think we've touched on it in a couple of calls in the past. You know, obviously, our presence has been historically around the oil and gas basins. So obviously, the Texas, Louisiana, Gulf Coast, we've pushed further east here in more recent quarters. You know, we were strong up in the Northeast. I think the Midwest is an area where we're probably, you know, continuing to look to increase our fleet density to make sure we're taking advantage of the opportunity in that market. You know, we have been spreading out. We've talked about our national footprint. We've talked about putting, you know, inventory in those markets. I think we're just managing the inventory scale, you know, in those markets associated with the opportunity. But, you know, the key growth markets are the ones I just touched on.

Gerry Sweeney: Gotcha. I mean, is some of this just balancing the growth opportunity and managing the income statement? Or, I mean, could you speed it up and take a little bit of hit the margins for a short term and then get faster growth a couple of quarters out? Or just curious if that plays into the opportunity.

Historically around the oil and gas Basin. So obviously the Texas Louisiana Gulf Coast. We've pushed further east um here in more recent quarters you know we were we were strong up in the Northeast I think the Midwest is an area where we're probably, you know, continuing to look to increase our our Fleet density to make sure we're taking advantage of of the opportunity in that market. Um, you know we have been spreading out. We've talked about our national footprint, we've talked about putting, you know, inventory in those markets. I think we're just managing the Infantry scale that you know, in those markets associated with the opportunity. But um, you know the the the key growth markets are the ones I just touched on.

Gotcha. I mean,

It's some of this just balancing the growth opportunity and managing the income statement or I mean can could you speed it up and take a little bit of Hit the margins for a short term, and then get faster growth than a couple quarters out? Or

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, at any given point in time, we're assessing whether we need to ramp up the fleet build for future pipeline opportunities. So I think we've balanced that pretty well. You know, we've resisted the build it and they will come kind of concept here. It's one of the advantages of our vertical integration. We don't have to get too far ahead of ourselves from that perspective. As Gregg said, we can carry the inventory and either put it to sales or fleet build. But, you know, I'd say at any point in time, Jerry, at the margin, we're kind of looking at what you just described.

Uh, just curious if that would plays into what the opportunity.

Yeah. I mean, I

I at any given point in time, where assessing whether we need to to round

The fleet build for future pipeline opportunities, so I think we balance that pretty well. Um, you know, we have resisted the "build it and they will come" kind of concept here. It is one of the advantages of our vertical integration. We don't have to get too far ahead of ourselves in that perspective. As Greg said, we can carry the inventory and either put it to sales or fleet build, but...

Gerry Sweeney: Got it. Okay. I appreciate it.

um, you know, I'd say at any point in time, Jerry at the margin, we're we're kind of looking at what you just described

Matthew Lanigan: Thanks, Jerry.

Pardon okay. Uh, I appreciate it.

Gregg Piontek: Thanks.

Thanks, Jerry, thanks.

Jim (Conference Operator): Laura Maher at B. Reilly Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead with your question. Hello, Laura. There's a chance you may have us on mute.

Laura Maher at B. Riley Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead with your question.

Laura Maher: Hi, can you hear me?

Hello. Laura, there's a chance you may have us on mute.

Matthew Lanigan: Yes, in there.

Laura Maher: Sorry about that. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. My first question is, what is the current utilization rate across your MAT fleet and how does this compare to your target range?

Hi, can you hear me?

Yes, and now sorry about that. Um, good morning, thank you for taking my question. My first question is, what is the current utilization rate across your map plate? And how does this compare to your target range?

Gregg Piontek: Well, we do not, you know, we don't disclose our specific utilization at any given time. I think the way I would frame this is, you know, we talked in the past of our typical range of utilization being between 60 and 80 percent and averaging out around 70 over the course of a year. I will say the second quarter and really consistent with the past three quarters from Q4 on, we've been running around that high end, around that 80% mark.

Well, we do not, you know, we don't disclose the our specific utilization of any given time. I think the way I would I would frame this is, you know, we've talked in the past of

Our typical range of utilization being between 60 and 80% and averaging out around around 70 over the course of a year. Um I will say the second quarter and really consistent with the past 3 quarters from from Q4 on, we've been running around that high end around that 80% mark.

Laura Maher: Okay, thank you. That's helpful. And then another one, I guess, just with the new administration's infrastructure priorities still evolving, are there any new end markets you guys see picking up?

Okay, thank you. That's helpful. Um and then another 1, I guess just with the new administration's infrastructure priority still evolving. Are there any new and markets? You guys see picking up.

Gregg Piontek: Yeah, Laura, you know, we'll continue to look at things, but you know, as we talked about in the earlier question, the opportunity that we see in the transmission network buildout is significant. We're focusing on making sure we're there to service the key customers and their contractors in that space. You know, pipelines and other markets where we're starting to see some activity grow, so we're making sure we're there. We have a national sales network. They're very clued into their local markets, and if something was to present itself that would benefit from our service and rental capabilities, we'd avail ourselves to it. But we still see the major drivers being that transmission and, to a slightly lesser degree, pipeline growth.

Yeah. Laura, we we, you know, we will continue to look at things but, you know, as we talked about in the earlier question, the, the opportunity that we see in the in the transmission Network, build out is significant, we're focusing on making sure. We're there to service the key customers and their contractors in that space.

Laura Maher: Okay, great. Thanks.

You know, pipelines and other markets where we're starting to see some activity growth. So we're making sure we're there. Um, we have a national sales network, they uh, they're very clued into their local markets and if something was to uh, present itself that would benefit from our service uh and and Rental capabilities would Avail ourselves to it, but we still see the major drivers being that transmission and and and to a slightly lesser degree um pipeline growth.

Okay, great. Thanks.

Jim (Conference Operator): And Bill Desalem at Tyson Capital. Please go ahead and state your question.

Bill Dezellem: Thank you. Two questions. First of all, the pipeline is an area that you have called out as having strength. And that is, I guess it does not match what we're hearing about just pipeline buildout taking place. We've heard that is quite slow. Would you walk us through why you think your activity is not matching the industry where you're seeing strength with the industry being slow?

And Bill Dellum at Titan Capital. Please go ahead and state your question. Uh, thank you. Uh, two questions. First of all, um, the pipeline, uh, is an area that you have called out as, uh, having strengths. And that is, uh, I guess it does not match what we're hearing about just pipeline build-out taking place. Uh,

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, Bill, you know what? Everything we're hearing and seeing in the space is it's certainly having a nice renaissance with the change of administration. So interested in where you're hearing that it's in a particular lull. You know, our presence again on pipelines typically is in laydown areas and access to the routes. And, you know, any maintenance and repair activity, we don't have a large presence on the core pipeline stringing operations. But we're seeing that activity levels up substantially, albeit a smaller part of our portfolio than, you know, transmission and even the oil and gas side of the business. But we're seeing a healthy rebound. So our pipeline is reflecting that.

Heard that is quite slow. Would you would you walk us through? Why? You think your, uh, activity is not matching the uh, the industry where you're seeing strength with the industry being slow?

Bill Dezellem: Great. Thank you. I appreciate that, Matthew. And then in the past, you all have talked about conversions from wood to composites. Do you have any examples or case studies of large-scale conversions from wood to composite that you can share with us?

You know, transmission, um, and and even the oil and gas side of the business, but we're seeing a healthy rebound. So um, our pipelines reflecting that.

Matthew Lanigan: Yeah, you know, we talked about it in previous sales quarters where, you know, we've had traditional timber fleet operators who have come to us and purchased large volumes of composite, recognizing the longer-term economic benefits of that solution for them. You know, this quarter, as we touched on, a lot of our direct sales were through directly to utilities who continue to see the longer-term benefit. Those utilities have traditionally been timber MAT customers at some point who are now recognizing that this asset provides them with a longer useful life and a better economic return. So I think they're the kind of the sound bites that we would continue to call out, Bill.

Great, thank you. I appreciate that. Matthew and then, um, in the past, uh, uh, you all have talked about conversions from wood to uh to composite. Do you have any examples um or case studies of large scale, conversions from wood to composite that uh uh that you can share with us?

Bill Dezellem: Great. Thank you and congratulations on another solid quarter.

Yeah, you know, we talked about it in previous sales quarters where you know, we've had traditional Timber Fleet operators, um, who have come to the, uh, ask and purchased large volumes of composite recognizing that the longer term economic benefits of that solution for them. You know, this quarter as we touched on a lot of our direct sales were through directly to utilities, to continue to see the longer term benefit. Those utilities have traditionally been, uh, Timber, Matt customers at some point. Uh, who are now recognizing that this asset provides them with a with a longer useful life and a better economic return. So I think they're the kind of the the the sound bites that we would continue to call out bill.

Matthew Lanigan: Thanks. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Great, thank you. And congratulations on another solid quarter.

Thanks, thank you. Appreciate it.

Jim (Conference Operator): And ladies and gentlemen, at this time, I'm pleased to turn the floor back to our leadership team for any additional or closing remarks.

Gregg Piontek: All right. Well, thanks for joining us on the call today. If you have any questions, please email us at investors@npki.com. And we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

And ladies and gentlemen, at this time, I'm pleased to turn the floor, back to our leadership, team for any additional or closing remarks.

All right, well thanks for joining us on the call today. If you have any questions please email us at investors NPK calm and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

Jim (Conference Operator): Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference, and we thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference and we thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.