Q2 2025 Sezzle Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #1: Good day. And welcome to the Sezzle Inc. second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants are a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero.

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Speaker #1: Mr. Youakim, the floor is yours, sir.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Thank you and good noon, everyone. Welcome to Sezzle's second quarter conference call for 2025. I'm Charlie Youakim, CEO and Executive Chairman of Sezzle.

Speaker #3: I'm joined today by our Chief Financial Officer, Karen Hartje, and our Head of Corp, Davin Iyar, Lee Brading. In conjunction with this conference call, we filed our earnings announcement with the SEC and posted it and the earnings presentation on our investor website at sezzle.com.

Speaker #3: To retrieve the documents, please go to Investor Relations section of our website. There you will find the press release and the earnings presentation. Please be advised of the cautionary note on forward-looking statements and the reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures, included in the presentation.

Speaker #3: Which also covers our statements on today's call. It's exciting and fun at the moment at Sezzle as we've noticed we continue to disrupt the existing payments industry.

Speaker #3: I'm sure you've noticed it, just like we have, as it ems like there's an article coming out every other week in a major publication talking about the growth of BNPL and its impact on the world.

Speaker #3: Some of these publications get it and understand that this product helps consumers budget, and manage their spending. And others don't, and just regurgitate the standard consumers using credit as bad mantra, that's been out there since the invention of the credit card.

Speaker #3: Even with the negative press, we're happy. As it means that we must be doing something right as we are upsetting the traditional norm. We are getting noticed.

Speaker #3: With that credit mantra in mind, we do think our path's somewhat mirrors the original buy-now-pay-later product, the credit card. Credit cards first emerged in the 1950s.

Speaker #3: Now, I imagine most of the people on this call weren't around then, but since the launch of credit cards, there's been a lot of public pushback from the media warning of reckless spending or debt traps.

Speaker #3: A number of reputed publications in the 1950s, including the New York Times, expressed public concern over plastic money. Leading to financial irresponsibility. Sound familiar?

Speaker #3: Nonetheless, by 1970, about 50% of US households had at least one credit card. I think that we can all agree that credit cards and their usage despite some of their issues are an important part of our economy.

Speaker #3: We think BNPL will evolve into a similar story. Including the pushback from the media along the way. Sezzle has certainly tapped into a need that is not being met by other traditional forms of payment.

Speaker #3: We welcome the scrutiny as we believe it'll only bring to light how our products are helping consumers and how they are the responsible way to pay.

Speaker #3: Our flexibility allows payments to be matched to budgets. Which is critically important for a large segment of consumers. As a reminder, customers must be current with us.

Speaker #3: Or they aren't allowed to continue to use us as a payment method. This is one of the key areas where we differ from credit cards.

Speaker #3: We think we have stronger alignment with responsible spending than a credit card does. We actively think about reducing limits for our consumers where warranted to stop overspending.

Speaker #3: I think some credit card companies welcome a bit overspending as that overspending can create a revolving account. Instead, we're active in stopping overspending, which creates incredible alignment with responsible behavior.

Speaker #3: Well, I know most of you are here to hear about our ults, so let's get to it. We're pleased to be sharing our second quarter results with you all this evening.

Speaker #3: As they clearly reflect the positive momentum in our business and our industry. Our Q2 results reflect strong momentum and also signal an increase in investment for the future.

Speaker #3: We continue to push forward as a profitable growth company. Which is a concept that we fully brace. Slide three gives a high-level snapshot of Q2.

Speaker #3: Which shows our outperformance versus the industry. With the top-line growth of 76% year-over-year, gross margins of 61%, and a net income margin of 28%, we remain well ahead of the rule of 40 and our own version, the rule of 100.

Speaker #3: Where we scored a 165 this quarter. We are also still on pace with our guidance. Which has adjusted net income rising 85% year-over-year in 2025.

Speaker #3: As the saying goes, talk is cheap. And we plan to keep letting our results do the talking. I referenced earlier our investment in the future and would like to expand on that thought on slide four.

Speaker #3: We are hyper-focused on reaching customers efficiently through our marketing efforts. Our marketing spend has been stepping up with the focus on customer acquisition and retention.

Speaker #3: For Q2, we spent $8.8 million on marketing compared to only $1 million in the prior year. We don't take this lightly. As we value every dollar but we also believe that this is the right time for this future investment as our profitability and positive free cash flow have positioned us well to both grow and reinvest.

Speaker #3: We are still in the early stages but we expect to see returns before the end of the year as we target a six-month payback period on our CAC.

Speaker #3: I believe our active consumer and mods results reflect the positive trends we are seeing and I believe there is more to come. In prior years, our spending was more focused on merchant co-marketing.

Speaker #3: But over the last several quarters, we have shifted our marketing spend to more efficient channels. That improved efficiency will pay dividends in our future results.

Speaker #3: A key part of our strategy is to never stop innovating. Especially as an industry underdog. A major part of our success has been our never-ending push to grow and expand our product offerings to consumers.

Speaker #3: On slide four, you can see that we have launched numerous product enhancements in last few quarters. Some more successful than others, but regardless, we will not rest.

Speaker #3: Slide five is a snippet of the positive results we are seeing from our efforts. I'm extremely proud of our NPS score 75. Which is an incredibly high score for a company offering financial solutions.

Speaker #3: And actually, any company for that matter. These NPS results are important because it means our customers love using our products and services. You can clearly see that love translating into greater engagement in our app.

Speaker #3: As discussed in the prior slide, we have launched a variety of products and features with the goal of finding more ways to engage the consumer.

Speaker #3: And the results reflect such traction. Monthly active users rose 52% year-over-year. And even more exciting, the engagement from revenue-generating users increased 138%. I believe we are in the days of monetizing app users beyond just payments.

Speaker #3: The amounts are nominal at this point, but we believe it represents a large opportunity. On slide six, you can see that our marketing orts for mods are paying off.

Speaker #3: Mods rose 14% sequentially and 62% year-over-year. We are continuously fine-tuning our marketing spending to maximize ROI. Currently, we are hyper-focused on mods. These mods users have strong lifetime ues due to the repeat and recurring nature of their interactions with Sezzle.

Speaker #3: With subscription services at the forefront, of that recurring engagement. As you might guess, there are differences in profitability between on-demand and premium and anywhere.

Speaker #3: All three have favorable economics, but lifetime values do vary. The highest lifetime ues are in anywhere because the product is just so easy to use and use again.

Speaker #3: I know many of you think of us as an online payment method, but take note. 37% of anywhere orders are in-store. This speaks to the value of the anywhere product.

Speaker #3: Giving consumers access to purchase whenever and wherever they want. Well, wherever Visa is. And last I checked, they're pretty much everywhere. Let's take a deeper dive on some key engagement metrics on slide seven.

Speaker #3: We continue to experience better year-over-year engagement as our connection with the umer continues to grow. Our yearly active consumer growth almost a double digits for first time in quite a while.

Speaker #3: I believe the improved growth stems from success coming out of our marketing efforts and our product enhancements. As I mentioned earlier, we are filling a need that is not being met by traditional payment methods.

Speaker #3: Nowhere is this more evident than our unique merchants' . Our consumers shopped at 412,000 different merchants during the quarter. That is not an insignificant number.

Speaker #3: It is so rewarding to see that we are providing access to places that, to many, were unavailable before. Further, our purchase frequency continues to show year-over-year growth, suggesting we are gaining top-of-wallet status.

Speaker #3: And we believe this is still the early innings. On slide eight, our purchase frequency was flat sequentially. We attribute that to the launch of on-demand as it has shown a significant amount of growth in a very short time.

Speaker #3: Longer term, the short-term investment with on-demand users will lead to greater profitability. Our on-demand users are profitable, but just not as profitable as our premium or anywhere subscribers.

Speaker #3: But over time, we believe that on-demand users will migrate further into our product suite and become future anywhere enthusiasts. Also on slide eight again, it's great to see the pickup in active consumers.

Speaker #3: We can say now that we have 2.9 million yearly actives and it does seem that we're on the move up with this metric as we continue to add features and services that enhance engagement.

Speaker #3: If you can't tell, I'm extremely cited about our momentum. As we start to see the fruits of our investments in marketing and innovation. With that, I'm happy to turn the call over to our CFO, Karen Hartje, who will go over our quarterly financial results in greater detail.

Speaker #3: Karen?

Speaker #4: Thanks, Charlie, and good evening, everyone. As Charlie mentioned earlier, you'll see through our numbers that our initiatives continue to drive remarkable top-line growth, easily clearing our internal rule 100.

Speaker #4: Turning to slide nine, second quarter total revenue grew 76.4% year-over-year, to 98.7 million, and adjusted net income nearly doubled, growing 91.8% year-over-year to 24.4 million.

Speaker #4: GAAP net income decreased slightly to 27.6 million, resulting from the recognition of an outsized 17.2 million discrete tax benefit in the second quarter of 2024, compared to a 3.2 million discrete tax benefit in 2025.

Speaker #4: As a reminder, the prior year's discrete tax benefit was attributable to the release of our deferred tax valuation allowance due to the company's profitable trajectory.

Speaker #4: Our margins also continue to expand with adjusted EBITDA margin and total revenue less transaction-related costs as a percentage of total revenue, improving 5.5 and 3.5 points respectively year-over-year.

Speaker #4: Lastly, despite our rapidly growing revenue and healthy margins, we still maintain strict cost discipline. Non-transaction-related operating expenses, as a percentage of total revenue, decreased 4.8 points year-over-year to 28.1%.

Speaker #4: Let's move on to slide 10, which breaks out our GMV and total revenue progression. GMV grew 74.2% year-over-year, driven by new product adoption and higher consumer engagement.

Speaker #4: Total revenue as a percentage of GMV, our take rate, improved slightly year-over-year to 10.6%. The sequential decrease aligns with historical trends as our first quarter take rate benefits from two main items.

Speaker #4: The spillover of payments from fourth quarter transactions into first quarter and the decline in purchase frequency from subscribers compared to the holiday season of fourth quarter.

Speaker #4: On slides 11 and 12, we detail our transaction-related costs which include transaction expense, provision for credit losses, and net interest expense. These costs total 38.4 million or 4.1% of GMV, down 40 basis points year-over-year.

Speaker #4: This improvement stems from continued optimization in payment processing and increased consumer use of ACH, driving our second quarter transaction expense down to 1.5% of GMV.

Speaker #4: This gain was partially offset by an increase in provision for credit losses to 2.2% of GMV, as we continue leaning into growth while meeting our stated target of 2.5 to 3% annual provision and unit economics of 60 to 65% as witnessed on slide 13.

Speaker #4: Second quarter total revenue less transaction-related costs as a percentage of total revenue, increased 87.2% year-over-year to 60.3 million and represented 61.1% of total revenue.

Speaker #4: Since we've touched on our unit economics, we want to showcase the health of our growth and underwriting on slide 14. Recall in our second quarter 2024 earnings call, we noted that we started expanding our risk tolerance by letting in more first-time users in mid-2024.

Speaker #4: We commented that we were expanding our risk tolerance but expected to maintain strong stable margins. And we did just that. As you can see, we gave more consumers the portunity to use Sezzle for the first time, while also expanding our wallet share with existing consumers.

Speaker #4: Although we don't show consumer balances, the graph on the right clearly shows that we continue to successfully bifurcate our growth by expanding credit for non-dilinquent consumers compared to delinquent users.

Speaker #4: As a side note, our understanding is that the lines are flipped for the credit card industry. This slide speaks volumes about our underwriting capabilities and reinforces our confidence in the health and sustainability of our growth trajectory.

Speaker #4: Turning to slide 15, you'll see that non-transaction-related operating expenses continue to remain well controlled. These expenses, which include personnel, technology, marketing, and G&A, total 27.7 million, up 50.4% year-over-year, but down 480 basis points as a percentage of revenue to 28.1%.

Speaker #4: The sequential rise in our non-transaction-related opex as a percentage of our total revenue stems from increased marketing spend. Which grew 64% quarter over quarter to 8.8 million.

Speaker #4: As Charlie noted earlier, we're ramping up our keting efforts with a target payback period of six months. Early indicators suggest we're on track to hit this target, and we expect to see the benefit when our first half investment comes to fruition and our third and fourth quarter results.

Speaker #4: Moving on to last, and arguably most vital component of our income statement metrics, our profitability. As seen on slide 16 and 17, net income came in at 27.6 million or 28% of revenue, down modestly year-over-year due to the outsized discrete tax benefit in the prior year quarter.

Speaker #4: Excluding discrete tax benefits, we achieved adjusted net income of 24.4 million nearly doubling the prior comparable period in 2024. Adjusted EBITDA also increased at a similar pace, rising 106% to 37.9 million, representing 38.4% of total revenue.

Speaker #4: Looking at the balance sheet on slide 18, our cash remained flat quarter over quarter, largely driven by the increase in notes receivable from volume growth.

Speaker #4: And the repurchase of 23.5 million dollars of common stock as part of our 50 million repurchase program announced on March 10th of this year.

Speaker #4: We ended the quarter with 120 million in cash, including 31 million of restricted cash, and availability on the line of credit of 4 million on our 150 million dollar credit facility.

Speaker #4: Cash usage from operations for the quarter was 36.3 million, which again includes a 58.9 million increase in notes receivable tied to ur GMV growth this quarter.

Speaker #4: The sequential decrease in operating cash flows consistent with our expectations and historical cash flow seasonality. Finally, let's turn to slide 19, our outlook. We are reaffirming our full year guidance across all key financial metrics of total revenue growth, total revenue less transaction-related costs as a percentage of total revenue, and adjusted net income and adjusted EPS.

Speaker #4: I’d like to call out that with $4.1 million of discrete tax benefits recognized year to date, our GAAP net income will differ from our adjusted net income guidance of $120 million.

Speaker #4: And for the first time, we are introducing a 2025 adjusted EBITDA target of $170 million to $175 million. We remain committed to balanced growth, investing where we see efficient returns while holding the line on overhead and credit quality.

Speaker #4: We continue to monitor consumer trends and macro signals closely but thus far our core metrics show sustained growth and strength in engagement, frequency, and retention.

Speaker #4: With that, I'll turn it over to the operator for Q&A.

Speaker #1: Thank you, ma'am. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad.

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Speaker #1: Again, it is star then one to ask a question. At this time, we will just pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question we have will come from Mike Grondel of Northwind.

Speaker #1: Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Thanks, guys. Two questions. One, the 748 thousand mods, could ou talk a little bit about the mix of those between on-demand premium and anywhere?

Speaker #5: How those have trended and then kind of the profitability and second, on the investment side in 2Q, is that primarily marketing that you're calling out the 8.8 million?

Speaker #5: Is there any other investment kind of to call out or make us aware of? That would be great.

Speaker #1: On the second question, Mike, it's really the marketing investment on that line. So just the 8.8 million. And then on the mods, the primary area of growth in the mods number was mostly on on-demand because it's a new popular product, which is kind of working the way we thought would.

Speaker #1: It's a lower barrier to entry, getting more consumers into our the consumer side of our business, essentially, where they're making the choice to pay us directly.

Speaker #1: But subscribers, I think that they've actually held pretty well over this time period. And that's why we, you know, I think a couple of quarters back when we launched on-demand, we said, expect some waviness in the numbers with subscribers because we know that on-demand in a way, like mindset, kind way it's a little bit competitive to the subscription products we have.

Speaker #1: But I'd have to say we're pretty happy with where things are going. So. But the split has been probably a lot of growth in on-demand.

Speaker #5: Got it. And how different is the profitability between an on-demand customer and premium or anywhere?

Speaker #1: It's not like radically different. Anywhere's the most profitable because there's just so much usage. Like, you know, once you basically decide to subscribe to that product, it's like the ustomer's made they've dived in.

Speaker #1: They of course, they get their NPS scores. They definitely love our product and they just kind dive in and say, I want to use this everywhere.

Speaker #1: And when you have more activity in the product, you get more profitability. Premium is a higher margin product than the others and so it maybe there's a little less than anywhere in terms of like usage.

Speaker #1: For a month or per time period, but it has such a good margins that it does quite well. And then on-demand is just it's the lowest of the three right now in terms of, you know, margin as well as lifetime value because the combination of some these customers are using this once just to try it out.

Speaker #1: So as a whole, it ends up being the third place out of those three. And so, you know, now you know we actually even internally as a company, we really we're already starting the process of getting these on-demand customers and having them, you know, start to market to them to get into subscription products because we, you know, it was the whole idea, get the customers in, let them kind of try us a little bit more, a little bit more trial.

Speaker #1: Before we basically recommend to them. That, you know, a scription product might be a better choice for you over time. And then, and then once you get the ustomer into subscription, then they're kind of all in.

Speaker #1: You know, we're before they might have been, you know, dabbling into Sezzle, maybe dabbling into a competitor product. but once they've that, you know, jump in, now they're .

Speaker #1: So that that's the breakdown. It's actually pretty much as we expected. When we launched, we'd have that kind of rank order.

Speaker #5: And maybe just one more there. Did premium or anywhere grow year-over-year or would you say most of that year-over-year growth was on-demand?

Speaker #1: Most of it was on-demand, but anywhere grew as well. Premium's

Speaker #5: Okay.

Speaker #1: ably taken the biggest hit of the three products with on-demand. Coming into the mix.

Speaker #5: Okay. Thank ou.

Speaker #1: And next, we have Rayna Kumar of Oppenheimer.

Speaker #6: Hello, this is Ariel on for Rayna. Just a quick question. Given the volatile macro environment and a scenario where consumer credit quality starts to erode, can you just give us a little more color on how your underwriting and extense management may evolve?

Speaker #1: Yeah, if we ever see anything, you know, we monitor default rates daily. Through our through our systems. And, you know, one of the nice things about the product, you know, we talked about comparisons to credit cards.

Speaker #1: You know, comparing contrast to credit cards on the call here. You know, credit cards from my understanding, if you want to lower someone's credit limit, you've to give a 45-day advance warning.

Speaker #1: And and then through after that notification, you have to wait that time period and then you can make justments. I mean, when I'd say from our standpoint with buy-now-pay later, we don't have that sort of restriction.

Speaker #1: We can actually move limits today. Like we saw something today that didn't like. And we thought it was maybe economically related. We could reduce limits across the board.

Speaker #1: Which is, you ow, basically something we do in the holiday period, honestly. Like that, you know, we look at the holiday period, we don't want people overspending.

Speaker #1: So that's why we just feel so good about this product. You know, as, you ow, I'm an investor in the company, a of the people on the call here were all investors in the company as well.

Speaker #1: And that's what I think helps us sleep well at night is we know if something comes up, you know, we could always adjust things down.

Speaker #1: Of course, that'll affect your payment volumes and maybe some of the top line. But then you can control loss rates, a much better than a lot of other financial services products.

Speaker #1: So, you ow, in a shaky economy, I ink that we're probably one of the best credit products you could be a part of on an investor side.

Speaker #1: Because of the flexibility and the how fast we can move.

Speaker #6: Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of e. What do you guys seeing out there in terms of the Any changes specifically in pricing from your competitors?

Speaker #1: No, not really. You know, people always ask us about the competitive landscape and I the two most heads up to us, I'd say are Klarna and Zip.

Speaker #1: No, not really. You know, people always ask us about the competitive landscape and I the two most heads up to us, I'd say are Klarna and

Speaker #1: And then maybe, you know, Afterpay next run for us and then a firm PayPal next run. And it's not I'm talking about quality of company when I'm saying this like list.

Speaker #1: It's more about who has the products and services that are most similar to ours. When we from competitive landscape? the customer standpoint. And so when we look at that landscape of competitors first of all, they're all really good.

Speaker #1: But we haven't really en much changing in s of pricing or offerings.

Speaker #6: Okay, yeah, no, that makes sense. And then just one last quick one. Can you update us on your lawsuit with Shopify and what are any potential implications in the timing that?

Speaker #1: Yeah, there's no update at this point. You know, think there's any major updates we'll our investors know. But we're expecting this to be, you know, super speedy.

Speaker #1: In terms of a process, we just lost its in general. I'm not the fastest moving entities out there. You know, it could be something could take, you know, maybe upwards of three to five years.

Speaker #1: In the time frame, we don't, you know, that's probably the max. But at this point, no real update.

Speaker #6: Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys.

Speaker #1: No problem. And next, we have Hal Getz of B-Riley.

Speaker #7: Hey, guys. My question is, like, you know, all your metrics are really up and to the right, you know, active consumers, active unique merchants.

Speaker #7: I mean, just it's all terrific. You know, what was volatile, I think maybe sequentially was maybe your effective overall take rate. And I wanted to, you know, and that's been pretty steady and had a, you know, maybe Q1 was just a really outsized good number.

Speaker #7: And I wanted to get your perspective on on that and how we uld think about it. Like, seasonally or over time or quarter quarter.

Speaker #7: Thanks.

Speaker #1: Yeah, great question, Hal. Yeah, Q1 was probably just a massive anomaly out there, you ow, because I think we were north of 13% on take rate on volume.

Speaker #1: And a lot of that was due to, and we've explained this, it's a lot of seasonality. So what happens in fourth quarter, we have generally larger GMVs coming through the company.

Speaker #1: But because of the way revenue is recognized on fee venue, when the payments are actually made from customers, if there's a late fee attached, that actually is recognized as incurred.

Speaker #1: So, a lot of payments from the fourth quarter go into the first quarter, which has a lower GMV because of seasonality. But the revenue is coming in as the first quarter.

Speaker #1: So you ow, it's not like, you know, I know GAAP is always trying to go for matching. It's to help investors. I think in this case, it doesn't really help investors the way that GAAP is forcing revenue provision for losses in the fourth quarter, but we're not provisioning for the revenue.

Speaker #1: In the fourth quarter as well. We actually take that as incurred into the first quarter. And so if you ok back at like fourth quarter, third quarter, you know, fourth quarter might be the one to look at.

Speaker #1: We're actually pretty recognition. top lines. But if one thing I'd say to call out though is we actually have done a lot of efforts to move customers to pay us back with ACH as well.

Speaker #1: Which also lowers the top line. But but also lowers cost of processing Because we too. So that's why our our gross margin, you know, the you know non-GAAP gross margin is over 60% when you I think if ou look back at the third quarter, fourth quarter last year, we're lower than that.

Speaker #1: So even though the top line might be much lower than the first quarter, our cost of transaction processing went way down. Relative. gross margins actually north of our 60.

Speaker #7: Okay. So basically, you ow, GMV from Q4 most of the especially if it's December weighted, you're going have all those payments in January.

Speaker #1: Yeah, Q1 is always up.

Speaker #7: On-demand fees, late fees, yeah. So you have revenues okay, you have yeah, you have revenues from like I got it. It makes that's really helpful in understanding yeah.

Speaker #1: Q1's the hardest quarter to like basically you can't it's an annual lot. You don't don't annualize that quarter because of the you know revenue recognition.

Speaker #7: So with a lot of subscribers, it could very well be a 13 number next quarter. Q1 as well. You know, it's just that you need to be ady for a step down when that when that that that back half weighted December shopping you ow doesn't happen in the second quarter, third quarter.

Speaker #1: Yeah, so basically if we if we if we get lots of utilization on subscribers, then the top line comes down a bit. Yeah. And then when you have lower utilization, like the lower GMVs per user, but the fees come in, then then the top line comes up.

Speaker #1: Because the revenue recognition is on the lower volumes in first quarter.

Speaker #7: Okay. Okay. Very good. And that's all I've got. Thank you y much.

Speaker #1: Okay. Thanks, Hal. Again, as a final reminder, if you'd like to participate in today's Q&A, please press star then one. Okay, that this time there appears to be no further questions.

Speaker #1: We'll go ahead and conclude today's question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Speaker #3: Thank you. Once again, a big thank you to our team. We continue to scale the business wonderfully. Part of that reason for that is our business does just scale well.

Speaker #3: But the other reason we're scaling so well is because the Sezzle team is loaded with talent and stars. Which means we don't need to keep on adding people as our people do more than most.

Speaker #3: And I always this one, you know, they call it a company for a reason. And our company just happens to be damn good. And finally, a fun story from Warren Buffett to close the call.

Speaker #3: Warren Buffett once gave a talk to a group of MBA students and said something surprising. He held up an imaginary punch card and told them, "I could improve our ultimate financial welfare and your emotional well-being by giving you a punch card with only 20 punches in it." That's all the investments you get to make in your entire life.

Speaker #3: Once you use up those 20, you're done. The room got quiet and Buffett continued, "Under those rules, you'd really think carefully about what you did.

Speaker #3: You'd do your research, you'd wait patiently, and you'd bet big when you had real conviction. And because of that, you'd end up doing far better than the average investor." Here, Buffett wasn't only talking about stocks, he was talking about life decisions.

Speaker #3: What jobs you take, who you work with, who you marry, which partnerships you form, which businesses you start. You only get so many shots at things you that truly matter.

Speaker #3: Buffett continued, "Most people go through life making decisions with no real cost. They over-diversify. They chase every opportunity. They constantly shift focus. But if you had a punch card every time, you'd concentrate your time and energy on what really matters." Personally, I strongly agree with Buffett on one.

Speaker #3: And I hope that we can continue to attract high conviction investors that agree with this mindset. Thank you for listening in today. We hope ou have a great rest of your week.

Speaker #1: And thank you, sir, and to the rest of the management team for your time also. The conference call is now concluded. At this time, you may disconnect your lines.