Q2 2025 Arhaus Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #2: Good morning and welcome the Arhaus second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Please note that this call is being recorded. And the reproduction of any part of this call is not permitted without written authorization from the company.

Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to your host, Tara Atwood, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go head.

Speaker #3: Good morning and thank you for joining us for the Arhaus second quarter 2025 earnings call. Joining me on today's call are John Reed, our founder, chairman, and chief executive officer; Michael Lee, our chief financial officer; and Jennifer Porter, our chief marketing and e-commerce officer.

Speaker #3: After our prepared remarks, we will open up the line for a Q&A session. During Q&A, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.

Speaker #3: We issued our earnings press release in 10Q for the quarter ended June 30th, 2025, before the market opened today. Those documents are available on our Investor Relations website at ir dot arhaus dot com.

Speaker #3: A replay of the call will be available on our website within 24 hours. I would like to remind everyone that our remarks today concerning future expectations, events, objectives, strategies, trends, or results constitute forward-looking statements.

Speaker #3: Actual results or events may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties. For summary of these risks, factors, and additional information, please refer to this morning's press release in the cautionary statements and risk factors described in our most recent annual report on Form 10, K, and subsequent 10Q.

Speaker #3: As such, factors may be updated from time to time in our filings with the SEC. The forward-looking statements are made as of today's date, and except as may be required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements.

Speaker #3: We will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures and this morning's press release includes the relevant non-GAAP reconciliations. Now, I will turn the call over to John.

Speaker #4: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We appreciate your continued interest and support of Arhaus. I'm excited to kick off today's call by welcoming our new chief financial officer, Michael Lee.

Speaker #4: Mike has hit the ground running bringing deep operational and financial expertise that has strengthened our leadership team. I'm thrilled to have him on board.

Speaker #4: He's playing an important role as we continue to advance our long-term strategic priorities which are as follows. Increasing brand awareness to drive net revenue.

Speaker #4: Growing our showroom footprints with discipline. Enhancing the omnichannel channel client experience and investing in scalable infrastructure to support long-term growth. Now, 's turn to our business and operational updates.

Speaker #4: Like many companies, we've ienced a highly dynamic and uncertain backdrop this quarter, with shifting tariffs, ongoing macro pressures, and broader geopolitical tension. All weighing on the consumer.

Speaker #4: These are factors outside our control. What is within our control is how we show up for our clients. And we continue to focus on what we do best, delivering exceptional product deepening our client relationships and growing the business with discipline.

Speaker #4: I'm incredibly proud to share that we achieved the highest quarterly net revenue in Arhaus history. Driven by the early ramping of our Dallas distribution center, that transitioned in-house, this enabled us to convert strong first-quarter demand into net revenue more efficiently.

Speaker #4: And at a higher volume than expected. As a result, comparable growth was up 10.5%. While demand comparable growth declined in the second quarter due to ongoing macroeconomic pressures, we've seen strong momentum heading into the third quarter.

Speaker #4: July demand comparable growth increased 15.7%. Reflecting the resilience of our high-end clients base and enduring appeal of our products. Year-to-date, including July, demand comparable growth is up 2.2%.

Speaker #4: Our results this quarter are a testament to the strength of our brand, the loyalty of our clients, and above all, the incredible commitment of our teams.

Speaker #4: I want to take a moment to thank the entire Arhaus team for their passion, care, and relentless dedication you bring to our business every single day.

Speaker #4: We are building something truly special together. I couldn't be prouder to work alongside all of you. In an environment like this, we don't granted.

Speaker #4: And it deepens our confidence in the long-term strategy we're executing. Turning to product, this is where Arhaus begins and this is where Arhaus leads.

Speaker #4: Our curation of the beautiful furniture created by the best artisans around the world is what sets Arhaus apart. For nearly 40 years, we've traveled the world to find home in the most unexpected places and to share it with our clients.

Speaker #4: Our designs are rooted in the quality and crafted with care. And they are made to be lived with, passed down, and admired for generations.

Speaker #4: Family-run workshops in Romania and Mexico, the foothills of North Carolina, the countryside of Italy, our artisans span the globe. I recently returned from a visit in Mexico where we're creating pieces with artisans designed around the beauty of reclaimed wood.

Speaker #4: The materiality and the artistry of these collections are unlike anything I've ever seen before. Italy has long been at the heart of our story, a place where artistry and tradition came together and where we've built enduring relationships with artisans spanning over three decades.

Speaker #4: We continue to grow relationships in Italy, with new artisans who share our passion for excellence. These are the moments that inspire me. Not only as a designer, but as a leader, as CEO, I see my role as the architect of product vision.

Speaker #4: Working closely with our incredible talented team to translate these inspirations into products that reflect how our clients want to live. Looking head to fall, you'll see an elevated and expansive assortment that is globally inspired, material-rich, and distinctly Arhaus.

Speaker #4: It reflects the direction we're ing, while staying true to our heritage of timeless design, exceptional craftsmanship, and global storytelling. Think warm wood tones, like American walnut, and the beauty of mixed materials including stone, burl, chagrin, that add depth, texture, and sophistication.

Speaker #4: Architectural forms remain a signature of our season, and include flowing curves, beveled ges, reeded wood, and dimensional carvings. We're doubling down on what resonates.

Speaker #4: Refining floor styles, updating traditional silhouettes, and emphasizing the rich interplay of materials. This is a season of confidence, creativity, and intentional newness. And a pulse remains a central to our story.

Speaker #4: We believe we have the best upholstery in the market. Delivering on quality, comfort, customization. Clients and designers can customize the majority of our collections to their detailed specifications by selecting unique configurations, the perfect fabrics, and in many cases, details such as leg finishes, colors, and trim details.

Speaker #4: This customization is backed by more than 600 fabrics and a growing library of more than 90 leathers. Now, I'm incredibly proud to share a new chapter in our journey.

Speaker #4: The launch of Arhaus Bath Collection. Representing our thoughtful expansion into a new space within the home. One that is deeply personal, where each day begins and ends, and where moments of self-care and sanctuary are found.

Speaker #4: Our approach to bath is guided by deep client insight and the commitment to long-term value. We designed with intention listening closely to our client's lives and what they need.

Speaker #4: The bath collection features vanities, storage pieces, crowned with marble and stone, faucets and hardware, and antique brass and polished nickel, and Turkish cotton towels.

Speaker #4: Every item reflects commitment to the timeless design, quality craftsmanship, and functional elegance now extended to the bath. Bath is a result of a multi-year effort led by our product innovation team.

Speaker #4: Who have spent over two years perfecting every detail. It's a powerful reflection of the culture we've built at our house, hands-on purpose-driven and fueled by passion and vision.

Speaker #4: I'm deeply grateful to the entire team for the incredible work they've done to bring this to life. The Arhaus Bath Collection will be available online and in selected showrooms this fall.

Speaker #4: Supporting by our in-home design team to ensure seamless client experience. In closing, Arhaus is built to perform through cycles anchored by timeless impeccably crafted design and elevated client experience and disciplined execution.

Speaker #4: That foundation has served us well for nearly 40 years and remains one of our greatest competitive advantages. We're navigating the current environment from a position of strength, debt-free, with ample liquidity, and remain focused on what we can control, executing with discipline, scaling our showroom footprint with intention and investing in systems, product, and talent that will fuel our next phase of growth.

Speaker #4: With that, I'll turn it over to Jen Porter, our chief marketing and e-commerce officer.

Speaker #3: Thank you, John. And good morning, everyone. At Arhaus, we continue to drive high-quality growth through a differentiated value proposition, educating clients on what makes our brand unique.

Speaker #3: Artisan crafted design, heirloom quality craftsmanship, and a premium, highly personalized client experience. Despite a more volatile backdrop, we delivered a strong quarter, and our omnichannel strategy continues to drive engagement and conversion across every touchpoint.

Speaker #3: As John shared, product is where Arhaus begins, and storytelling is at brings it to life. Every collection is grounded in craftsmanship, thoughtful innovation, and a narrative that captures the meaning behind each piece.

Speaker #3: Our goal is to create emotional connection and lasting value, with our client is discovering us for the first time or returning to furnish for next room in their home.

Speaker #3: Our fall catalog, launching at the end of the month, has an exciting and extensive presentation of newness, including our new bath collection. This season's assortment is globally inspired, richly textured, and emotionally resonant, all designed to feel curated, lived in, and deeply personal, reflecting how real families live, with pets, children, and the rhythm of everyday life.

Speaker #3: As always, catalog remains one of our powerful tools for driving engagement and conversion. Especially when paired with immersive digital and showroom experiences. But more than that, it's how we tell the story.

Speaker #3: Because at Arhaus, we believe it's not just about what we make, it's how it makes you feel. And that feeling is what keeps clients coming back again and again.

Speaker #3: That same storytelling extends across our digital and content platforms, grounded in the belief that home is more than a place, it's a lifestyle. This philosophy shapes how we engage with clients and inspires curated brand partnerships that bring the Arhaus aesthetic to life beyond the home.

Speaker #3: This quarter, we strengthened our presence through lifestyle-driven collaborations that express our design values in aspirational, real-world settings. In May, we unveiled the Arhaus Terrace at L'Hermitage Beverly Hills, a boutique hotel known for its discreet, elevated hospitality.

Speaker #3: Furnished with our outdoor collection, the rooftop lounge immerses our brand in a serene, design-rich environment in Los Angeles, reinforcing our position in a key market where we operate multiple showrooms.

Speaker #3: Since launching in 2023, our partnership with White Elephant Nantucket has brought our coastal design sensibility to life. This summer, we expanded the collaboration through an on-property influencer retreat driving social amplification and culturally relevant content across our digital platforms.

Speaker #3: The campaign showcased both the England aesthetic and our outdoor collection, inspiring audiences to bring that lifestyle into their own homes. In Aspen, we'll continue our successful partnership with White Elephant this winter with our furnishings featured throughout the brand's highly anticipated new hotel.

Speaker #3: We'll also return as a sponsor of the Snowpolo World Championships, while extending our presence into the summer season through an activation at the Aspen Valley Polo Club's beach club, which debuted this past July.

Speaker #3: With our Aspen studio in the market, these touchpoints strengthen our foothold in a competitive luxury destination. And offer rich digital storytelling moments that celebrate the beauty of Aspen's mountain style and the Arhaus pieces that help define it.

Speaker #3: These partnerships go beyond product placement. They are a natural extension of our brand meeting clients where they live, travel, and gather, reinforcing Arhaus as a lifestyle brand rooted in thoughtful design and meaningful connection.

Speaker #3: Arhaus is more than a brand. It's a way of living our clients aspire to, and we're honored to be a part of the story they're creating in their homes.

Speaker #3: In closing, while the environment remains dynamic, our focus is clear. We're staying close to our clients and leaning into what sets Arhaus apart. Timeless design, trusted expertise, and a personalized high-touch experience.

Speaker #3: I'm especially excited for what's ahead this fall. The debut of our bath collection, the release of a beautifully curated new catalog, and the opportunity to bring it all to life in way that inspires and connects.

Speaker #3: I invite you to be on the lookout our fall campaign, the feeling of home, launching on arhaus.com in just a few weeks. And to visit one of our showrooms this fall to experience the beauty, craftsmanship, and intention of Arhaus firsthand.

Speaker #3: With that, I'll turn the call over to Michael Lee, our chief financial officer, to walk you through our financial results. Mike, over to you.

Speaker #4: Thanks, Jen, and good morning, everyone. I'm excited to be here my first earnings call at Arhaus. It's a sincere privilege to step into this role and partner with John and the broader team as we continue to execute against our long-term strategy.

Speaker #4: Today, I will cover both our second-quarter financial performance as well as our latest outlook for the remainder of the year, before turning it over to Q&A.

Speaker #4: As John noted previously, we operate against a challenging macroeconomic and geopolitical backdrop that weighed on consumer sentiment during the quarter. Despite this, we remain focused on what sets Arhaus apart.

Speaker #4: Bringing exceptional products to market, deepening our client relationships, and executing ur plans with discipline and precision. Our collective efforts resulted in a record quarter with net revenue exceeding $358 million, which is up 15.7%.

Speaker #4: Comparable growth was up 10.5%, driven by the successful conversion of strong first-quarter demand. Given the sizable beat on net revenue versus our prior guidance, it's important to highlight a notable operational win that contributed meaningfully to our outsized performance this quarter.

Speaker #4: As previously disclosed, Arhaus had utilized a third-party-operated distribution center in Dallas. Earlier this year, we made a strategic decision to insource the distribution center as a tactic to enhance productivity and customer service.

Speaker #4: During the quarter, we successfully brought operations of our Dallas distribution center in-house that ramped ahead of schedule. And this transition enabled us to convert strong first-quarter demand into net revenue more efficiently, and at a higher volume than expected.

Speaker #4: This operational win combined with strong execution across our teams played a major role in delivering record net revenue for the quarter. While our ivered results exceeded expectations during the quarter, demand comparable growth, which is a measure of written orders, decreased 3.6%, which we believe is a reflection of the heightened levels of macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainty.

Speaker #4: As we've seen through the year, near-term demand continues to fluctuate in response to the myriads of ups and downs that we've experienced during the last several months, as it relates to fiscal policy, monetary policy, new legislation, and political tensions.

Speaker #4: However, we believe given the resiliency of our clients this choppiness mostly impacts the timing of purchase and less so the underlying ability or intent to purchase.

Speaker #4: To further illustrate, April began with a temporary pullback in discretionary spending as liberation day created tremendous uncertainty across the globe and stock markets reacted negatively.

Speaker #4: But as a messaging on tariffs softened, the markets rebounded and our trends improved as the month progressed. That being said, we finished April with demand comparable growth down 10%.

Speaker #4: May rebounded as the backdrop stabilized and demand comparable growth increased 6.9%. June softened again amid renewed volatility and demand comparable growth down 9.4%. As we look ahead into the third quarter, July demand once again rebounded with demand comparable growth up an impressive 15.7%.

Speaker #4: And year to date, including July, our demand comparable growth stands at plus 2.2%. While we are encouraged by the strong momentum we saw in July, we expect our month-to-month demand trends to remain choppy in the short term due to external volatility, but stepping back, one thing is clear.

Speaker #4: We remain confident in the strength of the Arhaus brand and our long-term outlook remains bullish. As you can e in our filings, there was a significant gap between demand comparable growth and comparable growth during the quarter.

Speaker #4: And although these two metrics converge over the long term, the short-term fluctuations can be sizable, resulting in ongoing confusion around these measures. As a result of this, plan to revisit our key performance indicators later this year and will be selectively modifying our disclosures where appropriate.

Speaker #4: Our overarching goal is to simplify our messaging while providing clear insights into the KPIs that matter to our analysts and investors and align with how we manage the business.

Speaker #4: Through this exercise, we will engage as many stakeholders as possible to ensure that your voice is heard. And although competitive benchmarking will be incorporated into this process, our goal is not to replicate or mirror any individual competitor.

Speaker #4: Moving on, in second quarter, gross margin was 148 million, up 19.1% versus last year. We also saw gross profit expansion of 130 basis points to 41.4%, with showroom occupancy decreasing 50 basis points, product margin increasing 30 basis points, and transportation costs decreasing 30 basis points.

Speaker #4: Selling general and administrative expenses grew 6.8% to 101 million, primarily driven by increases in corporate expenses, warehouse expenses, and strategic investments to support growth, but SG&A load decreased 240 basis points to 28.3% of net revenue.

Speaker #4: Net income was $35 million, which grew 57.7% versus last year, reflecting over three times earnings leverage on 16% net revenue growth. Adjusted EBITDA was $60 million, an increase of 51.2% versus last year, representing 3.1 times adjusted EBITDA leverage. The adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.8%, up 390 basis points versus last year.

Speaker #4: Turning our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with 235 million in cash and cash equivalents, and remained debt-free. This level of leverage delivered without any financial debt underscores the scalability, of our operating model, and the earnings power we have as we grow.

Speaker #4: Additionally, we had net merchandising inventory of 311 million, at 4.7% increase from December 31st, 2024, to June 30th, 2025, reflecting investments in bestsellers and new product introductions.

Speaker #4: Now, let's turn to our operational performance, starting with sourcing and tariffs. Arhaus's robust and diversified sourcing strategy continues to serve us well. While I'm still in my early days at Arhaus, I've been impressed by the vast ecosystem of relationships that John has built, ones that span the globe with many of these relationships spanning 30 to nearly 40 years.

Speaker #4: Many of these early relationships were here in the US, where 36% of our total receipts and 75% of our upholstery was sourced in the second quarter.

Speaker #4: During my recent trip to North Carolina, I was able to see the entire upholstery ecosystem come together following a multi-day tour of our manufacturing facility, and the facilities of many of our suppliers.

Speaker #4: I was impressed by our team and the tremendous progress we've made toward cost without sacrificing quality. We are exceeding our quality and cost and productivity goals routinely.

Speaker #4: And they are hungry for more. Next month, I will be traveling to Vietnam to meet several of our artisans in person with our product development team as we continue to deepen our sourcing relationships.

Speaker #4: While we have previously anticipated reducing our exposure to China to approximately 1% by year-end, recent easing of US tariff policy toward China along with policy changes affecting other countries now leads us to project our sourcing exposure will be closer to 5% by year-end.

Speaker #4: We continue to monitor the evolving trade landscape, including the most recent tariff announcements. Thanks to our diversified sourcing model and proactive planning, we believe we are well-positioned to navigate this environment.

Speaker #4: Our teams remain engaged on the ground with key vendors, who we have deep relationships with, to assess implications and identify mitigation strategies. And we will continue to respond quickly and thoughtfully to future changes.

Speaker #4: Let's now turn to showroom expansion plans. Arhaus continues to scale with purpose, and showroom growth remains a foundational pillar to our strategy. We are pursuing our largest white space opportunities while deepening our client relationships through our omnichannel approach.

Speaker #4: Since 2020, we've grown our footprint by nearly 50%, and today, approximately 90% of our clients across both retail and e-commerce live within 50 miles of a showroom.

Speaker #4: To expand our client relationships and drive further engagement, we need to be where our clients live. And proximity is key to delivering high-touch service-led experience.

Speaker #4: During the second quarter, Arhaus completed three total showroom projects consisting of two relocations and one renovation. These relocations positioned us closer where our clients live, work, and shop, including a relocation to a premium open-air retail destination and an affluent suburb, and a renovated showroom that now better reflects the Arhaus aesthetic of today.

Speaker #4: Year to date, through the second quarter, we've ed eight total showroom projects, including one new showroom, six relocations, and one renovation, and we remain on track to complete 12 to 15 total showroom projects in 2025, consisting of four to six new showroom openings and eight to nine relocations, renovations, or expansions.

Speaker #4: Looking ahead, we see significant white space for continued expansion. Our long-term strategy is to open five to seven traditional showrooms annually, along with additional design studios and showroom relocations.

Speaker #4: Our showroom growth is both disciplined and opportunistic. Guided by strong unit economics, operational execution, and a clear return framework that supports long-term shareholder value creation.

Speaker #4: Let me touch on showroom economics and our long-term growth potential. We operate in a highly fragmented industry, with an estimated total addressable market of approximately 100 billion.

Speaker #4: Where Arhaus today holds less than a 2% share. This significant white space, combined with our strong showroom performance and high return profile, gives us confidence in the runway ahead.

Speaker #4: We believe there is a long-term opportunity to operate approximately 165 traditional showrooms and 50 design studios across the US. Arhaus is one of the few true growth retailers in the high-end home furnishing space.

Speaker #4: And no other company in our category has the same level of white space opportunity that we do. We expect our new showrooms to ramp quickly and deliver strong returns as follows.

Speaker #4: Traditional showrooms target at least 10 million in net revenue, with an average contribution margin of approximately 32%, with a payback period of under two years.

Speaker #4: Our design studios target lower net revenue, but higher average contribution margins of approximately 35%, also with a payback of less than two years. We also continue to expand our in-home design program, which supports our showroom strategy and enhances the client experience both in-store and online.

Speaker #4: Orders placed with the designer have an AOV nearly four times higher than those without, reinforcing the value of our high-touch service model. Stepping back, our long-term financial goals remain unchanged.

Speaker #4: Total net revenue growth of high single digits, comparable sales growth of mid single digits, showroom growth of five to seven new showrooms annually, and adjusted EBITDA growth of low, double digits.

Speaker #4: These targets are underpinned by our showroom strategy, which remains one of our most powerful levers for long-term profitable growth. Our disciplined showroom expansion is only part of the story.

Speaker #4: We're also making investments that support scalable, long-term growth. Let me walk you through some of the investments that we made and what's head. First, our distribution network.

Speaker #4: Over the past several years, we've made meaningful progress. We opened our North Carolina distribution center in 2021, in 2022, we expanded our Ohio facility by nearly 200,000 square feet, and we opened our Dallas distribution center that same year.

Speaker #4: In 2025, we transitioned Dallas to an insource model as discussed previously. Second, investments in technology. In 2021, we launched a new e-commerce platform. During the last two years, we have implemented a new warehouse management system at each of our three distribution centers, which is helping to improve operational efficiencies.

Speaker #4: This year, we introduced a new payment system across all of our showrooms and e-commerce, and this new system enables us, mobile options like tap to pay, Apple Pay, and Google Pay.

Speaker #4: And this upgrade has already enhanced both our client experience and internal controls. We have also implemented a new inventory forecasting system, which will help to improve forecast accuracy and improve inventory turnover.

Speaker #4: The next phase of investments are as follows. A new manufacturing system for our North Carolina team, which will unlock new production and cost accounting capabilities while supporting continued growth.

Speaker #4: And a new foundational ERP that will streamline many of our workflows, allowing us to scale more efficiently while improving the quality of our financial reporting.

Speaker #4: These initiatives and other strategic projects represent approximately $10 million of investment in 2025, with the majority of spend concentrated in the back half of the year.

Speaker #4: I believe these investments are needed to ensure that we scale our business efficiently and that Arhaus executive team is committed to ensuring that each of these initiatives delivers on the return objectives and ultimately will position Arhaus for continued profitable growth in the years ahead.

Speaker #4: Turning to our outlook. We are reaffirming our full year 2025 outlook, reflecting continued confidence in our strategy and execution. For the full year, we expect net revenue between 1.29 billion and 1.38 billion, a year-over-year growth rate of between 1.5% and 8.6%.

Speaker #4: A comparable growth range of -5% to 1.5%, and net income of $48,000 to $68 million, with an adjusted EBITDA between $123 million and $145 million.

Speaker #4: We have modestly reduced our full year capital expenditures outlook by $10 million, reflecting updated timing on certain investments. For the third quarter of 2025, we expect net revenue between 320 million and 350 million, a year-over-year growth rate of between 0.3% and 9.7% growth.

Speaker #4: A comparable growth range of down 4% to up 5%. Net income of 7 million to 17 million, an adjusted EBITDA between 23 million and 33 million.

Speaker #4: The third quarter builds on our second quarter momentum and reflects on normalized delivery timing, supported by expected seasonal drivers. Our outlook also accounts for continued macro uncertainty and the impact of incremental 2025 tariffs, currently estimated at $12 million net of mitigation.

Speaker #4: We've ready offset a meaningful portion through strategic sourcing shifts and vendor cost concessions, while pricing remains a lever no targeted increases are currently embedded in our guidance.

Speaker #4: In closing, I'm happy to report that we are executing well across the company as new leaders are quickly assimilating and the broader organization remains agile in this dynamic environment.

Speaker #4: We believe the strength of our brand, the resilience of our operating model, and the depth of talent across our teams help us to navigate this near-term volatility and deliver sustained value creation.

Speaker #4: I'm honored to be part of Arhaus, and proud to work alongside such a talented and dedicated team. And I want to thank everyone who's contributed to our progress to date, and I look forward to building upon the strong foundation already in place.

Speaker #4: Thank you for your time today, and with that, I'll turn it over to the operator for questions.

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Speaker #2: Our first question comes from Stephen Forbes, with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker #5: Israeli Markazan for, Steve. it's for John. Given the Basque collection launch, can you expand on where the greatest product opportunities are as you see today?

Speaker #5: And if you consumers asking you for like thing in specific that you currently don't assort, and then just a quick follow-up after that. Thank ou.

Speaker #6: yeah. So you know, first of all, customers always ask for everything. So that's, that's a given. But, you know, we're focusing on our core products.

Speaker #6: We, it's a it's a great, great time right now, in the, product side because, you know, customers consumers tastes changed in the last year or so, and they're continuing to change.

Speaker #6: things are getting softer, warmer. more color, more prints. And that stuff is just right down our alley. We, love we love all that. And it's a it really the core of our house to begin with.

Speaker #6: So, you ow, we're focusing on all the categories to, to just continue to update them. the upholstery business, of course, you ow, drives a huge part of the business because that's kind of what most people start when they're remodeling their living room or family room.

Speaker #6: And, we're doing some great things as, you ow, I think we mentioned we've 600 fabrics, 90 leathers, and, you know, we think we're the leader in, having our decorators for sure and consumers come in and pick something that's unique to them.

Speaker #6: Nobody else has. Nobody down the street has. And, it's ething they love. So we're going to continue to focus on that.

Speaker #2: excellent. Thank you. And then as a quick follow-up, as we approach the anniversary of the three-tier buy more save more program, can you expand on any, like, key learnings discounts, thresholds that you've explored?

Speaker #2: And is the current campaign the right value proposition to think about for the consumer on a go-forward basis? Thank you.

Speaker #6: Yeah. We, we've ed that and, and early fall of last year. And, we're going to continue it. it's working. people love to feel like they're etting, you know, a good deal in the, the home business.

Speaker #6: and if they buy more, we reward them with a little more of a discount. So we're going to stay with that strategy and, we're deviating from it anytime soon.

Speaker #3: Yeah. And Mark, I just add to that, you know, as we've ked on the last few calls, you know, we've really been pleased with the increase in the orders over 5K and 10K, you ow, spoken a lot about the strength of our interior designer program, which is driving those higher, order values as well.

Speaker #3: So, John's point, you know, our, our clients are really coming to us looking to, furnish and update entire rooms, entire homes. And so the strength of that program has just been really exciting seeing that really play and support into that very nicely.

Speaker #2: Thank you. Thank ou. Our next question comes from Andrew Carter with Stifel. Please go head.

Speaker #7: Good morning. I wanted to k about, in terms of the implied fourth quarter, implies really is extremely weak fourth quarter in terms of kind of the demand, in terms of the comparable, therefore, I ess the demand comparable from August.

Speaker #7: Through October, so could you just speak to that? And I, I guess I'm assuming you're that that would also timing-wise be the tariff head when you outlined the brunt of that would be in 4Q, which would be one more pressure point.

Speaker #7: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah, Andrew. good ning. look, I mean, year to date, it's been very choppy. we know we've had up and down months, as I cited in all of my remarks a few minutes ago.

Speaker #8: we're up 2.2% through July. And we know we've got a y resilient consumer base. They've proven to be the last to exit our category when, when, when, when things like stock market shocks occur.

Speaker #8: And then they're the first to return. when we think about our back half, we're very excited about the catalog. We're very excited about the biannual store-wide sale that's coming.

Speaker #8: And then, as we also talked about, the bath launch was announced this morning. But we do expect continued choppiness in the second half of the year.

Speaker #8: And this is the greatest uncertainty, is that, you know, every month this year, it's up and down on a year to date basis. We've en solid growth, but we have seen a lot of choppiness.

Speaker #8: So admittedly, the, guide, the implied guide for Q4, as well as the guide for Q3, reflects some of that uncertainty.

Speaker #2: Thanks for that. And just a little bit more longer-term question, Mike, given you just got there. You did a great job outlining the investments in the supply chain to date.

Speaker #2: Kind of reiterated what's happening this year, including that 10 million. At this point, about, you know, part of story here is building a supply chain that can fully support this growth agenda.

Speaker #2: What's your characterization of incremental things that are needed here, potentially those incremental investments? You also outlined, the, long-term growth algorithm, which has high single-digit sales, low double-digit EBITDA.

Speaker #2: Do you, do ou think you're in a place where that leverage can, can start to take hold over the next couple of years? Is there going to be more incremental investments?

Speaker #2: Just any help on that front since you have a fresh set of eyes here. Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah, for re. Well, let, let me, let me first take a step back because we've ioned some of the investments that we're planning to make during my remarks.

Speaker #8: But I, I also want to just acknowledge that, you know, ERPs have a tendency to, to spook investors, right? We're very, very well aware of .

Speaker #8: And we know that these systems tend to be poorly understood, and there's been notable headlines in the past as companies have, have gone down this path.

Speaker #8: You know, headlines around business disruption and budget overages and things like that. but I think it's important to highlight these systems have come a long way over the last few years.

Speaker #8: And the sponsors of these technologies have worked to really simplify the deployment. So, when I came to our house, Andrew, I knew that, you know, the company has, has, has, was quickly outgrowing many of its systems and capabilities.

Speaker #8: And I was hired to really help deliver on this business transformation. And I believe this business transformation is going to position us for success.

Speaker #8: You know, I've led many of these transformations during my career. I'm confident we can deliver on, you know, the team's aspirations. And my, my role here is to help guide this business transformation in a way that doesn't take us, ou know, our eyes off the business, but helps us to guide this transformation methodically and responsibly.

Speaker #8: we recently hired a new CIO, Alison Sutley, who I am partnering with on this project. and we will be applying, you know, both financial and business rigor every step of the way on this project, including things like vendor selection and team formation and project visioning and how we phase the scope of this project.

Speaker #8: But when we think about your key estion, Andrew, around, you know, how will we measure success of this project, you know, in my view, and I know I'm, we're, 're very aligned as a leadership team on this, is we've got to deliver on, you know, the agreed-upon scope and benefits of this project.

Speaker #8: We've got to stick to our budget and our timelines on this project. one of the things that's very important to the management team as well as our board and our audit committee is remediating our material weaknesses that are in our financials.

Speaker #8: And this technology is critical to enabling that. And at the end of the day, what's most important is delivering on the P&L leverage that we expect to get out of this investment.

Speaker #8: And that will come in form of, you ow, SG&A load, improving as we scale over time. So that we're hiring headcount at the same rate that we're rowing revenue, but we're etting more productivity out of our, our workflows.

Speaker #8: we'll have cleaner data to make better decisions, which allows us to react more effectively in the market. which will help our, revenue growth. and then even on gross margins, as we vertically integrate all of our inventory management systems with demand planning, we'll be much more nimble from a supply chain perspective to ensure that, you know, we minimize, you know, out-of-stocks, we maximize inventory turnover, and, you know, we get the, the maximum, turnover we can across our, our inventory investments.

Speaker #8: So we expect a lot of operational benefits. And, and, and the, the thing I would be thinking about is if I was an investor, is we've laid out our aspiration to get to 165 stores.

Speaker #8: you know, 55 design studios, I would be thinking about how this investment positions us for success so that as we grow our business by 30, 40 percent over the, you know, the, the medium to long term, getting that P&L leverage can really amplify the EBITDA margins on this business.

Speaker #8: So that's really what I'm focused on is how we provide that economies of scale as we grow.

Speaker #2: Thanks. I'll pass it on. Thank ou. Our next question comes from the line offset segment with Barclays. Please go head.

Speaker #7: Thanks. Hey, good morning, yone. I wanted talk about the benefit in the second quarter from the, the quicker ramp in Dallas. That was obviously a nice win on the execution side.

Okay, great, thanks for that. And then just thinking about that demand, inflection in July, I appreciate the commentary on the choppiness. That clearly you've seen year to date, but anything more, you can tell us about the flip from June to July, what really changed there. And then if you sort of look past the volatility and smooth it out over the last several months, I guess maybe just discuss Trends across price points. Big Ticket versus small ticket, I'm mostly just curious. If consumers are starting to engage in bigger projects, thanks so much.

Yeah, um, great question. I'm gonna ask answer your second question first and then go back to your first question. Um, so we are seeing that strength in the orders above 5 and 10K continuing, um, which you know, is driven by the strategies we've been talking about over the last few years with growing the interior designer program driven by the volume discounts um, that we've been seeing really great success on and also just the focus on to John's point the product and the way our clients are choosing to engage with us. Where it's you know really starting maybe with that big piece often upholstery but expanding into the full room, the full home. Um so we're definitely continuing to see um engagement and um conversion, hope those higher purchases. Um looking at the inflection point between June and July specifically. And then the choppiness I I think that that's the big question and to

Um, but I think also, if we look outside, sorry, if we look inside at what we are doing, um, we executed a lot of things really well. In July, we launched our fall preview marketing campaign, uh, July 15th. And so really nice engagement from clients on that. Um, as we're starting to get our fall product out into, um, stores and into, um, our on our health.com and into our marketing campaigns. Um, and uh, you know, we had a really, uh, successful Warehouse sale at the end of the month um, which is actually something that we used to do about 4 or 5 years ago. Um, that our clients really responded well to so I think it it's a combination of. We're really pleased with what we are doing as we're ramping up into the fall season, uh, spoke on the call about how fall launches here in just a couple of weeks. Uh, we launched bath yesterday. Um, I think we're actioning on just a lot of really great internal momentum and uh you know, as we look forward what we're focused on is what controlling what we can control doing.

What we do really well. Um and you know, we believe that the consumers out there and while there might be, you know, a little bit of delays in when they're making their purchases. There's a little bit of a longer consideration time going on. Our clients are still there. They're still loving the product that we're we're delivering and we're working on being here for them when they're ready to make that purchase.

Okay. Thanks everyone.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy. Hamlin, with Craig halim, please go ahead.

Uh, thanks, uh, for taking the question. Um, first just wanted to clarify, um, in in the demand comps, just going back to last year I think. Um, you know, on on the Q3 report last year, you you'd indicated a pretty significant um, change in your demand comps, which I think July 24th and August down mid- teens before things improved, um, a lot in September. Um, so just wanted to confirm, um, that kind of backstory. Um, you know, in terms of maybe part of the math change in in demand comps. Um, could you clarify

Yeah. Um, Jeremy that that's a great question. And, and you, you are correct.

Um, that we're up against from last year. Um, if you remember we started to talk to, um, some tough business in May and June, we did see that get, um, software in July, um, of last year and August. And then really started to pick up as we got into the end of Q3 and Q4. Um, so I, I think that is a, a really good call out, and it's something that we are watching very closely as well. Um, again

Choppiness. This year, there was also a little bit of a choppiness last year that we are just, um, countering

Okay, great. Thanks for that. And then just wanted to, to to ask a little bit about, um, you know, your SGA your margin performance, which was really strong and Q2. And, you know, as we progress uh, through the year. Mike, you know, I the, the step down from, um, q1 to Q2 on sgna was fairly significant. You know, given the sales level. I know that demand comps were were negative in the quarter and that might impact the commissions paid out. Um but just thinking about what the base cost structure in place is has there been any meaningful change and then just in terms of the gross margin performance which was also strong in Q2, you know, can you give us a little bit of visibility into the back half of the year? Um does the transformation with uh the DC in Dallas, you know, inherently improve your gross Market.

Margin rate. Um, kind of structurally on to go forward basis. Thanks.

Um another way to think about um you know, the overall you know uh impact of these Investments is I would look at you know prior year adjusted EBA on a full year basis. In terms of adjusted ebit margin and take these 2 uh impacts into account and I think you get a pretty good lens into how we expect to to, to land the year and what that means for Q3 and Q4 as well.

Great, thanks for the caller.

Thank you.

On next question comes from the line of Max raleno, with TD Cohen, please go ahead.

Hey, thanks a lot. Appreciate the question. So first, what's your take on the direction of your market share? Do you think you're gaining or losing share? And just any color on how you think the business is positioned to compete against some of your, uh, Keepers? Uh, how do you think you're performing head-to-head against them?

Uh, no question. We're taking market share, in my opinion.

um,

you know, it's 100 billion dollar business and, and our sales continue to increase, you know, as if it's comparable stores, or new stores, um, and, and the e-com business. We're we're growing. So, if you look at the big picture, of course, we're taking market share, um, that's the way I do the math on it. Um,

Hi is their competitors. I we don't, you know, follow track exactly what they're doing. Um,

but,

We know we've got the best product in, in the United States. Um, and um, nobody is doing what we're doing. You know, is is so unique, we've got proprietary vendors who make things just for us.

And um, is product that you just can't find anywhere else. So, you know, as long as we stay on top of our game, which I know we have been and I think we've

Top of our game more than ever right now, and especially going into the fall. And into next year, um, we're going to we're going to take our share of it and be very happy doing it. Um, and, um, we'll see where the competitors fall. Um, I know if, you know, for a fact in times like this for everything, it's just so up and down, you know? Because consumers can get worried and so forth. Um,

You know, they come into the store like ours and see the freshness and the gorgeous displays. Um, it just it's another ball game where they, you know, want to fix up their homes. They have the money to do it. Um, they see our product and and and they want their home to be an amazing place, you know, for their family. So, um, we're going to get our share and we're going to continue to get our share and then, and then some

Got it. I appreciate the caller, and then you guys nicely grew your product margins in the quarter. Can you just provide some puts and takes around what drove that? And then your outlook for product margins for the rest of the year. I assume Dallas was potentially a big piece of it, but just what's driving that? And then the expectation ahead.

Yeah, I can just throw part of it, and Jen can finish up. But um

You know, in anticipation of all this craziness. We, you know, we we did um, adjust prices a little bit in the spring. Um,

Did it quietly? You know, we didn't hear anything any feedback from our from our clients.

And um that a has helped helped the margin. And then certainly have execution of um

you know the the warehousing, the Dallas Parts um certainly helps all that but um

So we're we're we're in a good shape, you know, March and wise we felt um we were proactive um even before um Liberation day and um now we're enjoying the the better marches.

And just to add some color and q1. We did have some headwinds on occupancy in our margin that that that uh, that that eroded in Q2. Um, the, you know, comments around project Mark, uh, product margin increasing 30 basis points from my earlier, remarks, really driven by, you know, some of the, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, product mix, uh, across geographies but also driven by some of the

Sessions that we we've gotten from a sourcing perspective. The transportation costs certainly is a result of fixed costs being spread over larger volume. We had a big quarter from the Top Line perspective, um, and then just as you think about the go forward, uh, we've got, you know, several new locations, uh, opening up in in uh, Q4 of this year, uh, that will also help in in terms of, you know, uh, our occupancy costs, uh, getting getting leveraged as a stores, uh, move into, uh, you know, operations.

Awesome. Thanks a lot. Best regards.

Yep.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Great, good morning and thanks for squeezing me in. Um, my first question was on B2B, maybe if you could update us on the Playbook, uh, Jill is pursuing and trading contract. And and maybe on, on the trade side, how does your brand awareness with the interior design Community compared with maybe awareness among and consumers? Thanks?

Yeah, so a great question. Good morning, Jonathan, um, yeah, we're we're really excited to have Jill, join us. Um, not really ready to go into any specifics yet as to what she has planned for that business. But it's been a great on board and getting her in here and already, you know, looking at the success of our current program and also how we can shape it and continue to grow it moving forward. Um, so look out for more info from us on that, in the next couple of calls. Um, in terms of your excuse me, in terms of your, uh, question on brand awareness, um, between trade designers. And, um, our clients and consumers, we haven't broken that down specifically. Um, but we, we are know, is that what we do know is that there's a huge awareness opportunity within trade, designers similar to what we're seeing with our clients. Um, and you know, I I think I might have mentioned this before but 1 of the things that we are really excited about, um, with Jill on boarding, and with the, um, future of trade is that, uh, growing awareness growing the strength of a trade program, not

Only is a great Revenue driver in and of itself with a trade business, but all of those trade designers are then working as advocates and, um, influencers and um, communicators to uh, clients. And then those clients friends in the future. So it turns into a nice, um, halo effect on our overall brand awareness as well. So uh, a lot of opportunity there, um, a lot more information to come. Um, once the deal has a little bit more time under her belt, with any organization. Yeah. And just to add to that, you know, it's like we say we're in a 100 billion dollar business. You know, big part of that is, is the trade. Um,

they do a ton of that hundred billion dollars.

And there's, you know, designers in every city um, that have their own businesses and so forth. And as we get more and more of them, uh, we see this as a tremendous growth that Avenue, and we're focusing on it. As, as Jen said, we just brought a new person in to head it up. Um, we've got some very exciting plans to, to roll out in the future. And, um, I see this is a great great growth growth Avenue for us.

That's helpful. And then, just a quick question. A follow-up on the bath collection. Congrats on that. I think it was described as one of the most comprehensive extensions in company history. So, is there any kind of parallel you can point to in history in terms of how launches like this have scaled in the past? I'm not sure if the outdoor collection is a good case study, or if you'd point to something else. Thanks.

Yeah, I guess the closest 1 would would be outdoor that we did about 5 years ago and and it continued to grow and grow. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, because more bathrooms than any other room in the house.

It's typically and um, they need to be furnished. Um, so, you know, we studied this business uh,

And, uh, we feel we could be a big, you know, significant player in it. So we're very, very excited. We put together a really talented team that went out and did all the specs and faucets and.

you know, sinks and so forth and um, you know, it's a full collection from towels to sinks to uh,

you know, everything in between. So we're very, very excited about it. We think we did a nice job.

Having a big enough assortment that. It's a meaningful business to us.

And um we'll see how that goes. But um I'm I'm very, very bullish on it.

And, um, and yeah, the biggest comparison, I guess in our category, in The Last 5 Years, would be to to the outdoor business that we started small every year we're growing and growing and, and it's been a nice growth business as well.

Does that answer your question, Jonathan?

Yes, thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the floor over to Tara Atwood for closing comments.

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