Q2 2025 Forward Air Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #6: Welcome to the Ford Air second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation.
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Speaker #6: I would now like to turn the call over to Tony Carreo, Senior Vice President of Treasury and Investor Relations.
Speaker #7: Thank you, operator, and good noon, everyone. Welcome to Forward Air's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. With us this afternoon are Shawn Stewart, Chief Executive Officer, and Jamie Pierson, Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #7: By now, ou should have received the press release announcing Ford Air's second quarter 2025 results which was also furnished to the SEC on 4 May K.
Speaker #7: We have also furnished a slide presentation outlining second quarter 2025 earnings, highlights, and a business update. Both the press release and slide presentation for this call are accessible on the Investor Relations section of Ford Air's website at forwardair.com.
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Speaker #7: Management uses non-GAAP measures internally to understand, manage, and evaluate our business and make operating decisions. Definitions and reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in today's press release and slide presentation.
Speaker #7: I will now turn the call over to Shawn.
Speaker #8: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I would like to begin today's call by recognizing recent awards that highlight our team's outstanding customer service, operational excellence, and unwavering commitment to our partners.
Speaker #8: Omni Logistics was honored as the 2024 International and Domestic Forwarder of the Year by Dotera International. This marks the first time a single logistics partner has received both distinctions from Dotera.
Speaker #8: Underscoring Omni's leadership and performance across the board. GLT Logistics selected Ford Air as the commitment to excellence carrier of the year for 2024. This award underscores Ford's performance, service, and commitment to customer success and highlights the trust built within the strong business relationship.
Speaker #8: Our Omni Logistics team in Asia was recognized with an award from Advanced Micro Devices for their agility and responsiveness during a significant demand surge in late 2024.
Speaker #8: The team successfully managed and overflowed while maintaining the high service standards that we are known for. These honors are a reminder of the belief that and trust that our customers have in our company.
Speaker #8: They reflect the dedication of our people, whose efforts continue to drive our reputation for excellence. As our global presence grows, it's clear that our focus on service, speed, and reliability is making a lasting impact.
Speaker #8: While managing through the challenges of the current freight recession, we plan to continue demonstrating our unwavering commitment to our ustomers by strengthening relationships and consistently delivering value-added services that matter.
Speaker #8: We believe this approach will benefit our ustomers and employees and investors over the long term. Turning to the quarterly results, we had another solid operational quarter with consolidated EBITDA, which is calculated pursuant to our credit agreement of 74 million compared to 69 million in the first quarter this year.
Speaker #8: Consolidated EBITDA in the second quarter of last year was 89 million. Going forward, the quarterly results will be more comparable as the historical quarterly pro forma and synergy savings roll off, the quality of our earnings should also continue to improve.
Speaker #8: To that point, adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter was also 74 million, compared to 69 million in the first quarter of this year. On a year-over-year basis, adjusted EBITDA improved by 1 million compared to 73 million in the second quarter of last year.
Speaker #8: At the expedited freight segment, we continue to make progress. As previously communicated, one of the first steps our management team took to improve financial performance was to take corrective actions on the pricing.
Speaker #8: After concluding the necessary diligence, we implemented those actions in the fourth quarter of 2024 and completed them in the first quarter of this year.
Speaker #8: Following these actions, although tonnage is down, we have significantly improved reported EBITDA and margin at the expedited freight segment. Reported EBITDA has grown from $18 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 to $30 million in the second quarter of 2025, and the margin has improved by 500 basis points from 6.6% to 11.6%.
Speaker #8: The 11.6% is the highest this segment has reported since the fourth quarter of 2023. We were able to achieve these operating efficiencies and margins in a down market by optimizing pricing and tightly managing all discretionary expenses.
Speaker #8: Rationalizing every dollar and focusing on having the right type of freight in our network at the right price. We believe the variable nature and flexibility of our network positions us incredibly well for when the market normalizes.
Speaker #8: Based actual past results, we know there is an additional opportunity to improve the expedited freight segment's margin. We also know that we need to grow volume in the network.
Speaker #8: As with most LTL networks, our network thrives in a tighter market. There is always more we can do to reduce cost. However, we are not willing to compromise the high quality service that we are known for and our customers have come to expect from us.
Speaker #8: The expedited freight network includes one the largest expedited LTL networks in North America, and it is an industry leader in serving time-critical and high-value freight.
Speaker #8: In conditions such as this, it takes discipline not to sacrifice service and we believe the quality of service we provide will be the driver of growth and ultimately pricing and profitability in the future.
Speaker #8: At the Omni Logistics segment, we continue to build momentum and I am excited about the progress that we are seeing. On a year-over-year basis, we grew revenue 16 million to 328 million in the second quarter.
Speaker #8: Sequentially, from the first quarter to the second quarter this year, reported EBITDA increased from 26 million to 30 million and the margin improved by 110 basis points from 7.9% to 9%.
Speaker #8: On a year-over-year basis, reported EBITDA improved from $20 million in the second quarter of last year to $30 million this year, which is a 47% increase.
Speaker #8: The margin also improved from 6.4% to 9% compared to the same period a year ago. The intermodal segment remains a consistent performer in a turbulent and unpredictable market.
Speaker #8: Reported EBITDA in the second quarter of 2025 was 9 million and generally in line with the 9 to 10 million of reported EBITDA in each of the last four quarters.
Speaker #8: In closing, as we begin the second half of the year, the logistics industry remains in a state of flux. Shaped by macro risk, chiefly surrounded tariffs, and their potential impact on consumer confidence, as well as ensuing demand on resulting global freight flows.
Speaker #8: Overall, transportation volumes remain muted as the uncertainty clouds visibility for the rest of 2025 and as long as the global uncertainty lingers. Regardless of the macro environment, we remain focused on continuing the progress we have made over the last year.
Speaker #8: We remain committed to our strategy and are on the path to transform the company into a world-class logistics organization. This includes streamlining and simplifying our global structure as it positions us for future growth.
Speaker #8: We are incredibly excited about what the long-term future holds for our company, and we believe we are well positioned to outgrow the market once the freight environment normalizes.
Speaker #8: With that, I will turn the call over to Jamie to go through the results for the second quarter.
Speaker #9: Thanks, Shawn, and good afternoon, everyone. Before jumping into the script, I just want to note that this quarter marks our first clean quarterly year-over-year comparison since closing the transaction of last year.
Speaker #9: It has been an absolutely crazy year but we have accomplished a ton. And going forward, we at least will have the ability to more cleanly compare year-over-year results.
Speaker #9: Beginning with the consolidated revenue, in the second quarter, we reported $609 million compared to $644 million in the prior year. The 3.9% decrease is primarily attributable to a decrease in revenue at the expedited freight segment, partially offset by an increase in revenue at the Omni Logistics segment.
Speaker #9: On a sequential basis, second quarter consolidated revenue increased 1% compared to the 613 million in the first quarter of the year. As for the revenue at our three reporting segments, expedited freight, Omni Logistics, and intermodal, revenue at the expedited freight segment decreased 34 million or 11.5% to 258 million from the previous year's comparable quarter of 291 million.
Speaker #9: The decrease was driven by a 12.7% decrease in year-over-year tonnage per day that was partially offset by a 1.8% increase in the revenue per hundredweight, excluding fuel.
Speaker #9: At the Omni Logistics segment, revenue in the second quarter increased by $16 million to $328 million compared to $312 million a year ago.
Speaker #9: The increase was driven by an increase in demand for our services, specifically in the contract logistics area. Revenue in the intermodal segment of $59 million was flat compared to a year ago.
Speaker #9: It increased in revenue per shipment by 4.4%, which was largely offset by a 4% decrease in the number of drayage shipments. As you heard from Shawn, adjusted EBITDA was $74 million, or an 11.9% margin, in the second quarter this year, compared to $73 million, or an 11.3% margin, a year ago.
Speaker #9: Consolidated EBITDA, as defined in our credit agreement, was 74 million or again an 11.9% margin compared 89 million or 13.8% margin a year ago.
Speaker #9: On an LTL basis, consolidated EBITDA was 298 million. As usual, we have detailed information used to build up adjusted and consolidated EBITDA results on page 29 of the presentation.
Speaker #9: Turning to cash flow, cash, and liquidity, we reported 13 million in cash used by operations in second quarter, which was a 32 million dollar improvement compared to the 45 million in cash used by operations a year ago.
Speaker #9: For the first half of 2025, we reported 14 million of cash provided by operations which is an 111 million dollar improvement compared to the 97 million used by operations in the same period a year ago.
Speaker #9: As for liquidity, we ended the second quarter with $368 million in total liquidity, comprised of $95 million in cash and $273 million in availability under the revolver.
Speaker #9: The 25 million dollar sequential decrease in total liquidity from 393 million in the first quarter includes a 34 million dollar semi-annual interest payment on our senior secured notes that we pay in April and October of each year.
Speaker #9: And as usual, I'd like to leave you with a few additional thoughts for the quarter. In the first one, you fall under the header of beating a dead horse, but as Shawn stated in his intro, the quality of earnings continues to improve the further we get away from the noise of the transaction.
Speaker #9: We haven't had any pro forma synergy or pro forma savings add-backs in either of the last two quarters. As a historical add-backs from the transaction continue to roll off, we expect a difference of what you would normally define as adjusted EBITDA and consolidated EBITDA that we had been reporting to continue to narrow.
Speaker #9: The add-backs that we anticipate going forward will be more of a normal, non-recurring, and non-cash type that you would expect under a non-GAAP definition of adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #9: Moving to the second point, which will logically lead us to the third, is our sequential quarter-over-quarter improvement in margins and consolidated EBITDA. Our recently enacted pricing strategy, combined with our stringent cost and expense control efforts, especially at the expedited freight segment, have led to a sequential increase in consolidated EBITDA.
Speaker #9: The logical extension of increased consolidated EBITDA leads us to point three. Which is our continued focus on cash generation and conversion thereof. Cash provided by operations has significantly improved in the first half of the year compared to a year ago.
Speaker #9: If you'll refer to page 20 of the earnings presentation, you will see that on a non-GAAP basis, we are consistently generating approximately 40 to 50 million dollars a quarter in unlevered operating cash flow.
Speaker #9: Next is our unwavering commitment to service, even in a soft market. When you invest in Ford, you are investing in a very unique portfolio of logistics and transportation assets.
Speaker #9: All unified by a shared dedication to customer service. We believe if you provide the world-class service that we do, financial results will follow. Providing excellent service is a significant investment.
Speaker #9: Often, costly and time-consuming. However, the good news is we have already made that investment. It is in our DNA, and it is in the core of everything that we do.
Speaker #9: We have continued to optimize our LTL network, which is known as North America's leading expedited network. With the more optimized network and with all things being equal, each incremental shipment that we drop into the network has a higher margin than the previous one.
Speaker #9: And penultimately, as we've shared with you in prior calls, the integration of networks is complete. And we over-delivered on the previously committed synergies. As we have also shared with you, we are transitioning from integration to the more longer-term transformation of the combined companies which we anticipate to be complete by the end of next year.
Speaker #9: To that end, we will continue to tightly manage all expenses. Inclusive of the rationalization of the systems and support that we will need once the transformation is complete.
Speaker #9: More to come in the future, but I just wanted everyone to be aware of our continued effort to right-size the expense base, commensurate with the support needed to continue to serve our customers.
Speaker #9: And finally, the strategic alternative review launched earlier this year is progressing. As such, before you ask, and I hope you're ening, we do not plan to update the market on the details of the process as it advances.
Speaker #9: If and when there's anything of substance to report, we will let you know. More importantly, we do not expect the process to take away from our commitment and focus on running the business.
Speaker #9: Our goal is to continue delivering the same award-winning services and solutions to our ustomers as we have in the past. I will now turn the mic back over to Shawn for closing comments before Q&A.
Speaker #8: Thank you, Jamie. In closing, I am proud of our team for their continued commitment and focus on the customer, executing operationally and tightly managing cost.
Speaker #8: Amidst an uncertain macroeconomic landscape, I am confident that we possess a robust platform poised to drive sustainable growth. Together, we remain steadfast in our commitment to deliver tangible value for our customers fostering opportunities for our team and creating lasting value for our shareholders.
Speaker #8: As Jamie said earlier, and I want to reiterate, when investing in Ford Air, you are investing in a unique portfolio of logistics assets. I will now turn the call over to the operator to take questions.
Speaker #8: Operator.
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Speaker #3: Thank you. Our first question is coming from Bruce Chan with Stifel. Your line is open.
Speaker #10: Good afternoon, gentlemen. This is Matt, my last one for Bruce. Thanks for taking our questions this evening. Just to start here with respect to Omni, would you be able to provide an update on specific commercial synergy efforts taking place there?
Speaker #10: Perhaps what's going right so far? Where the key areas of focus now are? And perhaps any updated expectations that you might have on the timing of how these efforts might start to ramp more meaningfully through the P&L.
Speaker #10: Thanks.
Speaker #8: Sure, Matt. Thank you. You know, we hired a new Chief Commercial Officer earlier this year, and Eric's really got the team humming on both legacy organizations. Not only is everybody laser-focused on their product value streams, but they're also consistently working on the Omni side, really focusing on the synergy selling of all our great products around the world.
Speaker #8: And that focus is really starting to, take hold. So the majority of that is, coming from, working with the team and enabling the sales team, supporting them, with laser-focused how and where to grow, in the best interest of the combined organization.
Speaker #10: Great. Thanks, Shawn. That's helpful. And then, I know Jamie prefaced this, you know, in his remarks, but, with respect to the strategic review, is there any, you know, perhaps anything on increased activity and inbound interest in any of the lines of business or, you ow, perhaps how the current M&A environment might be affecting your ability to transact?
Speaker #11: Yeah. I, I, I'd say, Matt, that there's always an interest in this collection of assets. just, you know, proud and honored to be a, a part of this, this combined company.
Speaker #11: So in terms of increased interest, in terms us putting a press release out there saying that we're entertaining a strategic alternatives review, I don't know how much more interest we could, we could garner.
Speaker #11: if you mean about the individual assets, we believe that the value of the collective whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts.
Speaker #10: Fair enough. Thanks a lot.
Speaker #3: We'll move next to Stephanie Moore with Jefferies. Your line is open.
Speaker #12: Hi, Jeffrey. thank ou. I, I wanted to ask, either I wanted to ask a maybe a bigger picture question, you know, clearly a lot of, a lot of work has been done over the last, you know, year or so on, you know, both expedited side but also Omni side.
Speaker #12: You can certainly see it in, you know, across the board, whether it's the margin profile, the pricing actions, and the likes. So asking kind of a, a multi-year question here, you ow, what is your, your North Star and how you think about the underlying earnings contribution of the combined entity?
Speaker #12: And if it's not from a dollar standpoint, are there certain margin aspirations that you have your eyes set on? That can be for, again, the whole company or as you look at the LTL business or the forwarding business. But maybe just as you run the business, what are you targeting?
Speaker #11: Yeah. Stephanie, there, there is a great, page in the, in the back of the earnings prezo. On, on page 28, and what we've tried to do here is we've broken it down by our competitive set relative to us.
Speaker #11: And if you, if you look at where the LTL carriers are, the freight forwarders, and the call, you know, the truck loading intermodal, we, 've broken up the opportunity there.
Speaker #11: Omni Intermodal is crushing it. As you can see, it has been growing. The margins have been steady, if not increasing. Intermodal has been at the high end of the comp set since the walk to the door.
Speaker #11: You know, the biggest opportunity is in cost—the 8 percentage points on a billion-dollar business that we have in the truckload business.
Speaker #11: Now, I'm not saying that we're onna go straight to 18%, but if, if we're at 10 now, the market's saying that kind of the 18 to 20 percent range, given our premium service, given what we do, given the, , I guess, high value and expedited nature of the del service that we deliver, there's, there's no reason in my mind that over the next couple of years, that we can't reach that same market margin.
Speaker #12: Great. No, that's really helpful. And then maybe just taking that two steps further, clearly a of action on, on the pricing front. What, what is next?
Speaker #12: Because I think as, you know, we ok at that peer set, you know, one key differentiation might just be kind of the scale advantage, the likes, but to your point, your service is high.
Speaker #12: You've made corrective pricing actions. What are the next steps to close that gap over the next couple of years?
Speaker #11: Hey, Steph. This Shawn. So outside of, you know, just growth, in general, what you see us doing, I would say under the hood is fine-tuning the organization really getting lean and when I say lean, lean is not just meaning, cost cutting but really looking at, improving quality of operations, not only just in service but also in cost around revenues.
Speaker #11: So that's from optimizing the LTL network to really focus on standards around the world, and focus no rework. Get it right the first time, let's not do what, what, let's not do it twice.
Speaker #11: Do it once. And that's what you're seeing even in Q2 is the team is really focused here and done a fantastic job of adjusting operating costs to the revenues.
Speaker #11: And that's probably my proudest moment, you know, over the last year, is the team's real confidence in what they're doing, how they're doing it, and enjoying it in this very weird market we're in.
Speaker #11: It's a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker #10: Hey, Stephanie. It's Jamie. I'll, I'll jump on there. You know, you, you called out the pricing. Shawn talked about, our ability to contain costs as we grow this business.
Speaker #10: You know, but, you ow, you say what is next is right now our net margins are solid. They're, they're good. We're, we're doing incredibly well on the linehaul side of the business and on the terminal side of the business.
Speaker #10: Pricing is just starting to kick in. You can, you know, and we actually showed a graph how it's, you know, two points higher on a revenue per hundredweight ex-fuel, and a little more than four points higher on a revenue per shipment basis.
Speaker #10: And the, the what next in terms of, you know, getting it to that next level and closing the gap. I think you're leading us toward a little bit in terms of how do you close that gap is on operating leverage.
Speaker #10: So if we can hold the net margin, marginally increase it with our pricing actions, but grow the top line and not grow the SG&A portion of the business, which we have a very, very stringent line to hold, then that's what's gonna help us close that gap.
Speaker #12: Great. Thank you for the time.
Speaker #3: We'll take our xt question from Scott Group with Wolf Research. Your line is open.
Speaker #13: Hey, thanks. Afternoon, guys. So, I know you probably can't say too much, but what do you think is the timing to hear on this process?
Speaker #13: Is this weeks away? Months away? Any thoughts at all you can share with us?
Speaker #11: Yeah. Scott, I, I knew you ask it. We really can't share anything. you know, we are, we are in, in the process and it's, and it's, it's moving, as I say, on track and well.
Speaker #11: So as soon as we have something more, but I don't have a necessarily a crystal ball, to say timing at this point.
Speaker #10: Okay. And then maybe just can you give us an update as Q2 played out and as Q3 started, just some of the volume trends that you're seeing?
Speaker #10: so far into Q3 and then I know some of the LTLs have announced GRIs. How are you thinking about GRIs, back half this year?
Speaker #11: Yeah. I'll ask the sequential question and then let Shawn give the much more eloquent GRI versus the customer-specific increase. You know, Scott, we don't give intra-quarter guidance.
Speaker #11: but all, all I would say is, like, where we ended the second quarter, we don't see anything that's meaningfully different as we enter the third.
Speaker #8: And on the, on the GRI, Scott, ou know, I, I, I'm a big fan and also talking to, the customers when I arrived. I don't believe anything's in general.
Speaker #8: So, I'm not a big fan of GRIs because I've seen multiple organizations use a GRI, and then the volume slides. And we're not in a market that that's, in my world, that's not very smart.
Speaker #8: So, what we do, Scott, is what we call, SRIs. Which is more strategic and we're working with each customer strategically on lane pairs, that will need adjustment up and sometimes I can even adjust some down, in exchange.
Speaker #8: So, you know, as volume fluctuates on OD pairs, we work directly with the customer to exchange those on an SRI basis, and we do that consistently.
Speaker #8: So I don't just find a, period of time and a, and an annualized, situation to take a GRI. More SRI. If that makes sense.
Speaker #10: No, does. Okay. And then maybe just lastly, Jamie, small cash burn first half of the year, any thoughts on, on how you're thinking back half?
Speaker #10: Cash flow.
Speaker #11: Yeah. Yeah. The, the way, the way I look at it, there's , there's this great, so you, you, you've, ou've coached me well. Scott, there's page 21.
Speaker #11: We do a cash bridge. And what we're ing here is about, you know, 45 to 50 million dollars in, in cash flow from ops every single quarter.
Speaker #11: Would it consistent, consistent regularity, and so we generate cash, every other quarter. We burn a little bit cash every other quarter and, and that burn is only in the quarter when we have the 34 million dollar senior secured note payment, which is in April and October.
Speaker #11: If you look at it over a year, I think we're only down like $10 million in cash over the last 365 days.
Speaker #11: And that's in the midst of integrating these two behemoth companies and an incredibly soft freight environment. So as we sit here right now, you know, a ittle bit less than 400 million dollars in quidity, I'm feeling pretty damn good.
Speaker #10: But do you see, do you think that cash, that operating cash flow changes much in the back half of the year?
Speaker #11: Yeah. That, that'd be giving guidance, Scott, but I appreciate the effort.
Speaker #10: All right. All right. Thank you, guys.
Speaker #11: Thank you, Scott.
Speaker #3: We'll move next to Bascom Majors with Susquehanna. Your line is open.
Speaker #8: Thanks for taking our questions here. I wanna go back to some of the questions about, the transition from integration to transformation. I mean, you've called out some new services, some wins, and press releases.
Speaker #8: Any way you can dimensionalize the kind of new revenue you're bringing on, even if directionally and aggregate, and, you know, we realize 's not, not one for one add to what you did last quarter.
Speaker #8: I just wanna wanna see what you're seeing and the opportunity to grow some of the business and where that's happening. Thank ou.
Speaker #11: Hey, Bascom. Yeah. So we're, you know, the couple of press releases, they're just really large ones that were worthy press releases. I mean, we're winning a lot more than what we've pressed.
Speaker #11: but we're seeing, we're seeing wins in the truck load space. we're seeing wins in the international, air freight space. And then just in general ground.
Speaker #11: It's just a, it just depends on whether it's a new logo or organic growth with an existing logo. But it's pretty much across the board, I would say, in general, Bascom.
Speaker #8: And if we aggregate this, are we talking tens of millions, hundreds of millions in incremental revenue? I want to understand kind of what this looks like and how it could potentially help with some of the general malaise in the freight market.
Speaker #8: Thank ou.
Speaker #11: Yeah. I, I, I'd say, I'd say it's a little bit of both 'cause, you know, we, we talked , you know, you know, customers that are lost throughout this transition.
Speaker #11: And then down trading and up trading. So we, we've got as much customers that are up trading with us that are existing customers than, than we have new logos.
Speaker #11: So I, I, I'm, and I hate to, to it in such a, a crass way, but, I'm almost indifferent of where the increase in revenue comes from as long as it comes.
Speaker #11: So, and we all, we all know, everybody on this call, including yourself, know that, you know, the, the, the cheapest dollar to win is, is the customer that you already have.
Speaker #11: So we continue to grow revenue with certain key accounts, and with the new platform, we do have a couple of big wins that we wouldn't have been able to win absent the combination.
Speaker #11: But, you know, given the state of their, their freight market, Bascom, I mean, everyone right now is, is slugging it out. What we have to do is be very, very disciplined to the price that we are charging our customer that is commensurate with the expedited, service delivery that we have.
Speaker #11: And we just gotta, we gotta look into that discipline and sometimes make some tough decisions, to not take on some business that is not profitable for our network.
Speaker #11: but from the, the, , I guess, the broader perspective, you know, a couple of big wins that we would not have been able to achieve on a standalone basis.
Speaker #10: Thank you for that. Just one more for me. I appreciate the commentary. On the earnings quality improving and the add-backs getting a ittle more traditional, and you're even adjustment as we go forward and, and certainly here today as well.
Speaker #10: Can you give us a little color on if any of ones this quarter were at the segment level or were they all at the corporate level and, you know, maybe a little more on what's running through other where I ink you added back 14 million this quarter and 11 million last.
Speaker #10: Thank you.
Speaker #11: Yeah. So the, the vast majority of other is, non-cash stock comp. And what was the other one there? There's two, there's two big pieces of it.
Speaker #11: oh my God, right here. I'm ious right here. So it's, non-cash stock comp and facility closing cost. make up over half of that. So it, that's, that's the vast majority it.
Speaker #11: And then you've got some, you know, non-cash FX gain and loss, so non-cash by and large. And that's why I said in my opening comments that it is more akin to what you and I would define as traditional adjusted EBITDA, 'cause the vast majority of it is either non-cash or on restructuring and facility closing costs.
Speaker #8: And, just to, to of those larger ones this quarter or any made at the segment level or, or are those all at corporate?
Speaker #11: well, FX is, at a segment stock ba get stock-based comp can be allocated to the segments but we don't track it that way, Bascom.
Speaker #11: right now, I, I, I roll all of those costs up at a corporate level. So that I've got visibility into it. I don't want it hidden down into the segments or around the smaller opcos.
Speaker #10: Thank you very much.
Speaker #11: You don't want, you don't want the opcos doing indirect taxes, as an example.
Speaker #10: Thank ou.
Speaker #11: Yep.
Speaker #3: Once in, if you do have a question, you may press star one on your telephone keypad at this time. We'll move next to Christopher Kahn with Benchmark Company.
Speaker #3: Your line is open.
Speaker #14: Yeah. Hey, good noon. Thanks for taking the estions. Shawn, I know, that you, got some poorly priced freight out of, out of the n-network business.
Speaker #14: I-is that largely done? I, I don't know if you talked that, this quarter. I know last quarter you, you pretty much had it done.
Speaker #14: I was just curious if some of that tonnage is really just market or some of the things you've done too.
Speaker #11: Yeah. Chris, that, that is, primarily done. I mean, it's always an ongoing, assessment. But I would say, we fixed the pricing number one. A new basis line.
Speaker #11: And with the new modeling tools on cost and pricing, I would say we make much more accurate assumptions with new logos and have fixed the existing logos.
Speaker #11: So you would see less to fix, if that makes sense.
Speaker #14: Yep. Understood. And the pricing actions, sorry. Go ahead.
Speaker #11: If I may actually point you to, you know, there, there's a segment level, profitability chart. If you look at page 14 of the expedited material.
Speaker #14: Yeah.
Speaker #11: You'll see
Speaker #11: a 500 basis point improvement in just two quarters. So, you ow, it's not just pricing their freight like we that's commensurate with the service that we provide that we show in the back.
Speaker #11: but it's also getting that negative contribution margin of freight out the network. And, and I think that this, this page right now is as, as strong as in testament of what Shawn was able to, to get accomplished over the last, you know, two quarters.
Speaker #14: And how should we think about pricing from h from this level here in s of, revenue per hundred weight -fuel?
Speaker #11: how do we think of it in what way?
Yeah, yeah. I I I I tell you what, we have integrated these 2 companies. Um you know there's only probably 1 that would be non strategic or non-core. But if if you collapsed at the other individual entities of omni uh, with forward on a network basis, you know, we've already made that decision and we delivered 120 million dollars in Synergy savings. So to unwanted I think would be value destructive. But there might be 1 that we would consider
Okay, helpful. Thanks guys. Appreciate it.
No further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Mr. Stewart for any final remarks.
All right well listen we really appreciate your interest and support um and we remain confident in our strategy and look forward to updating you on our progress. Uh
Upcoming. So,
uh, with that if you have any follow-up questions, um, please contact Tony directly and, uh, he'll be happy to follow up and or schedule. Uh, follow-up calls with you guys.
Appreciate it. Take care.
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