Q2 2026 nCino Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #1: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the nCino second quarter fiscal year 2026 financial results conference call.

Harrison Masters: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the NCINO second quarter fiscal year 2026 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Harrison Masters, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Speaker #1: At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session.

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Speaker #1: I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Harrison Masters, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Speaker #2: Good afternoon, and welcome to nCino's second quarter fiscal 2026 earnings call. With me on today's call are Sean Desmond, nCino's Chief Executive Officer, and Greg Orenstein, nCino's Chief Financial Officer.

Harrison Masters: Good afternoon, and welcome to NCINO's second quarter fiscal 2026 earnings call. With me on today's call are Sean Desmond, NCINO's Chief Executive Officer, and Greg Orenstein, NCINO's Chief Financial Officer. During the course of this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements regarding trends, strategies, and the anticipated performance of our business. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current views and expectations, entail certain assumptions made as of today's date, and are subject to various risks and uncertainties described in our SEC filings and other publicly available documents, the financial services industry, and global economic conditions. NCINO disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Further, on today's call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP metrics that we believe aid in the understanding of our financial results.

Speaker #2: During the course of this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements regarding trends, strategies, and the anticipated performance of our business. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current views and expectations, entail certain assumptions made as of today's date, and are subject to various risks and uncertainties described in our SEC filings and other publicly available documents.

Speaker #2: The financial services industry and global economic conditions. nCino disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Further, on today's call, we will also discuss certain non-GAAP metrics that we believe aid in the understanding of our financial results.

Speaker #2: A reconciliation to comparable GAAP metrics can be found in today's earnings release, which is available on our website and as an exhibit to the Form 8-K, furnished with the SEC just before this call.

Harrison Masters: A reconciliation to comparable GAAP metrics can be found in today's earnings release, which is available on our website and as an exhibit to the Form 8-K furnished with the SEC just before this call, as well as the earnings presentation on our Investor Relations website at investor.ncino.com. With that, I will turn the call over to Sean.

Speaker #2: As well as the earnings presentation on our investor relations website at investor.ncino.com. With that, I will turn the call over to Sean.

Speaker #3: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us to discuss nCino's second quarter fiscal 2026 results. Before jumping into the details from the quarter, I'd like to remind you of the fundamental challenge we address in nCino's mission in the marketplace.

Sean Desmond: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us to discuss NCINO's second quarter fiscal 2026 results. Before jumping into the details from the quarter, I'd like to remind you of the fundamental challenge we address in NCINO's mission in the marketplace. Financial institutions around the globe face persistent challenges rooted in legacy and fragmented technology infrastructure that restricts their growth potential and bottom-line performance and causes inefficient and frustrating user experiences for both their employees and customers. NCINO alleviates critical pain points inflicted by disparate data sources, legacy technology, and manual processes with intelligent automation delivered on a unified, scalable platform powered by AI. NCINO stands as the singular cloud-native SaaS platform that allows financial institutions of all sizes on a global basis to seamlessly manage lending, onboarding, account opening, and portfolio management across all major lines of business.

Speaker #3: Financial institutions around the globe face persistent challenges rooted in legacy and fragmented technology infrastructure that restricts their growth potential and bottom-line performance. This situation causes inefficient and frustrating user experiences for both their employees and customers.

Speaker #3: nCino alleviates critical pain points inflicted by disparate data sources, legacy technology, and manual processes with intelligent automation delivered on a unified, scalable platform powered by AI.

Speaker #3: nCino stands as the singular cloud-native SaaS platform that allows financial institutions of all sizes, on a global basis, to seamlessly manage lending, onboarding, account opening, and portfolio management across all major lines of business.

Speaker #3: Because we are the system of record for so many of our customers' most critical operations, and because our solutions are deployed in over 20 countries across a broad and diverse customer base of banks, credit unions, and IMBs of all sizes, we believe we have built a competitive moat that is both wide and deep.

Sean Desmond: Because we are the system of record for so many of our customers' most critical operations, and because our solutions are deployed in over 20 countries across a broad and diverse customer base of banks, credit unions, and IMBs of all sizes, we believe we have built a competitive moat that is both wide and deep. Turning to our second quarter, we outperformed our guidance ranges for both our revenues and profitability metrics, and the evolution of our product strategy continues to be validated in the marketplace. With our flagship commercial loan origination solution, we saw strong activity in the North American enterprise market, including significant expansion agreements with two top 50 US banks and a top five Canadian bank. And in the mid-market, we saw an almost seven-figure ACV commitment from a net new $10 billion asset bank for commercial lending.

Speaker #3: Turning to our second quarter, we outperformed our guidance ranges for both our revenues and profitability metrics. The evolution of our product strategy continues to be validated in the marketplace.

Speaker #3: With our flagship commercial loan origination solution, we saw strong activity in the North American enterprise market, including significant expansion agreements with two top 50 U.S. banks and the top five Canadian banks.

Speaker #3: And in the mid-market, we saw an almost seven-figure ACV commitment from a net new $10 billion asset bank for commercial lending. We also saw positive traction with our growth initiatives for fiscal 2026, which, as a reminder, are expanding our focus in EMEA, activating the credit union market, realizing the onboarding opportunity, cross-selling mortgage, and embedding AI, data, and analytics across our unified platform.

Sean Desmond: We also saw positive traction with our growth initiatives for fiscal 2026, which, as a reminder, are expanding our focus in EMEA, activating the credit union market, realizing the onboarding opportunity, cross-selling mortgage, and embedding AI data and analytics across our unified platform. On continental Europe, where we see an over $4 billion market opportunity, we signed our first customer in Spain. As we have seen over the history of the company, we expect success with the initial customer in a new geography to validate the NCINO value proposition and fuel growth with other financial institutions in that geography. Also in the quarter, Infosys, a strategic partner in the implementation of NCINO at ABN AMRO Bank, one of the largest banks in the Netherlands, issued a press release announcing a successful go-live.

Speaker #3: On continental Europe, where we see an over $4 billion market opportunity, we signed our first customer in Spain. As we have seen over the history of the company, we expect success with the initial customer in a new geography to validate the nCino value proposition and fuel growth with other financial institutions in that geography.

Speaker #3: Also in the quarter, Infosys, a strategic partner in the implementation of nCino at ABN AMRO Bank, one of the largest banks in the Netherlands, issued a press release announcing a successful go-live.

Speaker #3: This project strategically sought to transform ABN AMRO's loan origination and collateral management process by consolidating multiple legacy systems into a single unified platform, enhancing ABN AMRO's ability to serve its customers through streamlined operations.

Sean Desmond: This project strategically sought to transform ABN AMRO's loan origination and collateral management process by consolidating multiple legacy systems into a single unified platform, enhancing ABN AMRO's ability to serve its customers and streamline operations. We expect wins and, more importantly, go-lives like these to precipitate more new business in our newer European markets throughout the second half of this year and beyond. In the credit union market, where we previously announced a dedicated focus this year, we signed an expansion deal that included business lending and account opening, commercial lending, commercial pricing and profitability, and incentive compensation, which took a credit union with $12 billion in assets over the seven-figure mark for their annual commitment to NCINO. Overall, our credit union team added six new logos and 35 cross-sells in the second quarter.

Speaker #3: We expect wins, and more importantly, go-lives like these to precipitate more new business in our newer European markets throughout the second half of this year and beyond.

Speaker #3: In the credit union market, where we previously announced a dedicated focus this year, we signed an expansion deal that included business lending and account opening, commercial lending, commercial pricing and profitability, and incentive compensation.

Speaker #3: This took a credit union with $12 billion in assets over the seven-figure mark for their annual commitment to nCino. Overall, our credit union team added six new logos and 35 cross-sells in the second quarter.

Speaker #3: Moving to onboarding, in the second quarter, an existing UK Challenger Bank customer increased their ACV with nCino over 80% by broadening their adoption to include onboarding, demonstrating the market demand for technology that helps financial institutions manage the end-to-end client relationship.

Sean Desmond: Moving to onboarding, in the second quarter, an existing UK Challenger Bank customer increased their ACV with NCINO over 80% by broadening their adoption to include onboarding, demonstrating the market demand for technology that helps financial institutions manage the end-to-end client relationship, from acquisition to ongoing interactions and due diligence monitoring, ensuring a compliant, smooth, and personalized experience. Turning to mortgage, the market showed signs of momentum in the second quarter with expansion activity from over 50 NCINO mortgage customers, about half of which were depository institutions, evidencing the demand in our customer base to leverage our best-in-class unified platform across lines of business within their institution. Seeing this level of activity across both depositories and IMBs with our mortgage solution is a positive signal.

Speaker #3: From acquisition to ongoing interactions and due diligence monitoring, ensuring a compliant, smooth, and personalized experience. Turning to mortgage, the market showed signs of momentum in the second quarter, with expansion activity from over 50 nCino mortgage customers, about half of which were depository institutions.

Speaker #3: Evidencing the demand in our customer base to leverage our best-in-class unified platform across lines of business within their institution. Seeing this level of activity across both depositories and IMBs with our mortgage solution is a positive signal.

Speaker #3: And, as Greg will touch upon in his remarks, the year-over-year subscription revenue growth we saw in mortgage this quarter demonstrates that the platform pricing shift we made with mortgage over the past couple of years will prove beneficial as the industry recovers.

Sean Desmond: And as Greg will touch upon in his remarks, the year-over-year subscription revenues growth we saw in mortgage this quarter demonstrates that the platform pricing shift we made with mortgage over the past couple of years will prove beneficial as the industry recovers. Finally, on the AI front, I'm very excited to share our progress on what we believe will be as transformative for financial services as our pioneering move to cloud banking was over a decade ago. Banking Advisor represents the first pillar of our AI strategy, and over 80 customers have now purchased this technology. Banking Advisor represents an AI-powered interface designed exclusively for financial institutions. Unlike generic AI solutions, Banking Advisor is deeply integrated into NCINO workflows and understands financial products, process workflows, regulatory nuances, and day-to-day banking realities.

Speaker #3: Finally, on the AI front, I'm very excited to share our progress on what we believe will be as transformative for financial services as our pioneering move to cloud banking was over a decade ago.

Speaker #3: Banking Advisor represents the first pillar of our AI strategy, and over 80 customers have now purchased this technology. Banking Advisor is an AI-powered interface designed exclusively for financial institutions.

Speaker #3: Unlike generic AI solutions, banking advisors are deeply integrated into nCino workflows and understand financial products, process workflows, regulatory nuances, and day-to-day banking realities. The banking advisor is evolving to become the primary interface through which our customers will experience increasingly sophisticated AI capabilities and fully agentic workflows.

Sean Desmond: Banking Advisor is evolving to become the primary interface through which our customers will experience increasingly sophisticated AI capabilities and fully agentic workflows, which we plan to start rolling out to the market next quarter. As our product development organization continues to deepen and widen our AI moat, and as more and more financial institutions look to NCINO to help them navigate their AI journey, we are laser-focused on ensuring the successful adoption of Banking Advisor by the initial cohort of customers. Financial institutions don't just need AI tools. They want a partner they trust, who deeply understands banking, has a proven ability to drive industry-wide change, and possesses the data foundation necessary to build truly differentiated AI capabilities. NCINO has been that partner through our customers' introduction to the cloud, and we strongly believe no company is better positioned than NCINO to lead the AI transformation of financial services.

Speaker #3: Which we plan to start rolling out to the market next quarter. As our product development organization continues to deepen and widen our AI moat, and as more and more financial institutions look to nCino to help them navigate their AI journey, we are laser-focused on ensuring the successful adoption of Banking Advisor by the initial cohort of customers.

Speaker #3: Financial institutions don't just need AI tools; they want a partner they trust—one who deeply understands banking. As a proven leader with the ability to drive industry-wide change, nCino possesses the data foundation necessary to build truly differentiated AI capabilities.

Speaker #3: nCino has been that partner through our customers' introduction to the cloud, and we strongly believe no company is better positioned than nCino to lead the AI transformation of financial services.

Speaker #3: Specifically, nCino provides mission-critical systems for our customers. We understand the regulatory complexities and nuances our customers must navigate in order to comply with on a global basis.

Sean Desmond: Specifically, NCINO provides mission-critical systems for our customers. We understand the regulatory complexities and nuances our customers must navigate and comply with on a global basis. We are a trusted data partner with a deep appreciation for the confidential nature of our customers' information and the infrastructure required to protect it. And we understand the context in which AI tools are used because of our singular financial services vertical market focus across commercial, consumer, and mortgage lines of business. These factors, along with our scale, global presence, reputation in the market, and best-of-breed product portfolio, make us uniquely positioned to be the worldwide leader in AI banking. AI is coming up in virtually every customer conversation, and we are already seeing our AI-first approach contributing as a differentiator that helps move deals over the finish line, including being a catalyst for customers to transition to our new pricing framework.

Speaker #3: We are a trusted data partner, with a deep appreciation for the confidential nature of our customers' information and the infrastructure required to protect it.

Speaker #3: And we understand the context in which AI tools are used because of our singular financial services vertical market focus across commercial, consumer, and mortgage lines of business.

Speaker #3: These factors, along with our scale, global presence, reputation in the market, and best-of-breed product portfolio, make us uniquely positioned to be the worldwide leader in AI banking.

Speaker #3: AI is coming up in virtually every customer conversation, and we are already seeing our AI-first approach contributing as a differentiator that helps move deals over the finish line.

Speaker #3: Including being a catalyst for customers to transition to our new pricing framework. With that, I'll hand the call over to Greg to walk you through our financial results.

Sean Desmond: With that, I'll hand the call over to Greg to walk you through our financial results.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Sean. And thank you all for joining us today. Please note that all numbers referenced in my remarks are on a non-GAAP basis, unless otherwise stated.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Sean, and thank you all for joining us today. Please note that all numbers referenced in my remarks are on a non-GAAP basis unless otherwise stated. A reconciliation to comparable GAAP metrics can be found in today's earnings release, which is available on our website and as an exhibit to the Form 8-K furnished with the SEC just before this call. In the second quarter, total revenues were $148.8 million, up 12% year over year. Subscription revenues were $130.8 million, up 15% year over year on a reported basis and 10% organically. As noted on slide 15 of our second quarter earnings presentation, of the approximately $4.3 million overperformance against the top end of our second quarter subscription revenues guidance, $900,000 was a result of solid execution against our plan.

Speaker #2: A reconciliation to comparable GAAP metrics can be found in today's earnings release, which is available on our website and as an exhibit to the Form 8-K furnished with the SEC just before this call.

Speaker #2: In the second quarter, total revenues were $148.8 million, up 12% year-over-year. Subscription revenues were $130.8 million, up 15% year-over-year on a reported basis and 10% organically.

Speaker #2: As noted on slide 15 of our second quarter earnings presentation, of the approximately $4.3 million overperformance against the top end of our second quarter subscription revenues guidance, $900,000 was a result of solid execution against our plan, $1.7 million was due to overperformance from our U.S. mortgage business, where we saw subscription revenues of $20.9 million, up 22% year-over-year, and $1.6 million was a result of favorable foreign exchange rates relative to plan.

Greg Orenstein: $1.7 million was due to overperformance from our US mortgage business, where we saw subscription revenues of $20.9 million, up 22% year over year, and $1.6 million was a result of favorable foreign exchange rates relative to plan. Professional services revenues were $18.1 million, a decrease of 2% year over year. As I addressed at our Investor Day in May, while it will take some time to see results, professional services gross profit growth will be the focal point of our internal operating plans versus driving additional professional services revenues growth. And we remain focused on realizing quicker deployment timelines through the use of AI and sandbox banking and by taking a more prescriptive approach to projects. Non-US total revenues were $33.5 million, up 22% or 19% in constant currency. Non-US subscription revenues were $27.4 million, up 30% or 27% in constant currency and 10% organically.

Speaker #2: Professional services revenues were $18.1 million, a decrease of 2% year-over-year. As I addressed at our Investor Day in May, while it will take some time to see results, professional services gross profit growth will be the focal point of our internal operating plans versus driving additional professional services revenue growth.

Speaker #2: And we remain focused on realizing quicker deployment timelines through the use of AI and sandbox banking, and by taking a more prescriptive approach to projects.

Speaker #2: Non-U.S. total revenues were $33.5 million, up 22%, or 19% in constant currency. Non-U.S. subscription revenues were $27.4 million, up 30%, or 27% in constant currency, and 10% organically.

Speaker #2: Please note our discussion of constant currency excludes any currency impact on revenues from Full Circle. Non-GAAP operating income was $30 million, or 20% of total revenues.

Greg Orenstein: Please note our discussion of constant currency excludes any currency impact on revenues from Full Circle. Non-GAAP operating income was $30 million or 20% of total revenues. Overperformance against our subscription revenues guidance contributed approximately $3.7 million of non-GAAP operating income, and the balance of our overperformance against guidance came from solid execution on efficiency initiatives. We ended the quarter with $123.2 million in cash, including restricted cash, and $203.5 million outstanding on our line of credit. We repurchased approximately 750,000 shares of our common stock in the second quarter at an average price of $26.89 per share for total consideration of approximately $20 million. When added to the stock we acquired in the first quarter, we have repurchased approximately 2.6 million shares at an average price of $23.53 per share for total consideration of approximately $60.6 million against the $100 million authorization.

Speaker #2: Overperformance against our subscription revenues guidance contributed approximately $3.7 million of non-GAAP operating income, and the balance of our overperformance against guidance came from solid execution on efficiency initiatives.

Speaker #2: We ended the quarter with $123.2 million in cash, including restricted cash, and $203.5 million outstanding on our line of credit. We repurchased approximately 750,000 shares of our common stock in the second quarter, at an average price of $26.89 per share, for total consideration of approximately $20 million.

Speaker #2: When added to the stock we acquired in the first quarter, we have repurchased approximately 2.6 million shares at an average price of $23.53 per share, for total consideration of approximately $60.6 million against the $100 million authorization.

Speaker #2: As we stated last quarter, our capital focus for the time being will be on realizing the benefits of the prior acquisitions we have made and on share repurchases.

Greg Orenstein: As we stated last quarter, our capital focus for the time being will be on realizing the benefits of the prior acquisitions we have made and on share repurchases. Our platform pricing transition continues to proceed according to our expectations, including price uplifts, and we have now converted approximately 21% of our ACV to platform pricing. Now, turning to guidance. For the third quarter of fiscal 2026, we expect total revenues of $146 million to $148 million and subscription revenues of $127.5 million to $129.5 million, an increase of 6% and 7% respectively at the midpoints of the ranges, including approximately $5.5 million of inorganic subscription revenues from Full Circle and sandbox banking.

Speaker #2: Our platform pricing transition continues to proceed according to our expectations, including price uplifts. We have now converted approximately 21% of our ACV to platform pricing.

Speaker #2: Now, turning to guidance. For the third quarter of fiscal 2026, we expect total revenues of $146 million to $148 million, and subscription revenues of $127.5 million to $129.5 million, an increase of 6% and 7%, respectively, at the midpoints of the ranges.

Speaker #2: Including approximately $5.5 million of inorganic subscription revenues from Full Circle and Sandbox Banking. Non-GAAP operating income in the third quarter is expected to be $31.5 million to $33.5 million, and non-GAAP net income attributable to nCino per share is expected to be $0.20 to $0.21, based on 117 million diluted shares outstanding.

Greg Orenstein: Non-GAAP operating income in the third quarter is expected to be $31.5 million to $33.5 million, and non-GAAP net income attributable to NCINO per share is expected to be $0.20 to $0.21 based upon 117 million diluted shares outstanding. If you turn to slide 16 of our second quarter earnings presentation, you'll see for the full year we are flowing through the $900,000 second quarter execution-based beat and increasing our full-year subscription revenues guidance by $2.7 million. We are also increasing our outlook for US mortgage subscription revenues growth for the full year by the approximately $1.7 million overperformance in the second quarter.

Speaker #2: If you turn to slide 16 of our second quarter earnings presentation, you will see that for the full year, we are flowing through the $900,000 second quarter execution-based beat and increasing our full-year subscription revenue guidance by $2.7 million.

Speaker #2: We are also increasing our outlet for U.S. mortgage subscription revenue growth for the full year, by approximately $1.7 million overperformance in the second quarter.

Speaker #2: While we are planning for mortgage subscription revenues to be down both year-over-year and taking seasonality into account, sequentially in the third quarter, we now expect U.S. mortgage subscription revenue growth of approximately 5% for fiscal '26, up from our prior guidance of flat year-over-year.

Greg Orenstein: While we are planning for mortgage subscription revenues to be down both year over year and taking seasonality into account sequentially in the third quarter, we now expect US mortgage subscription revenues growth of approximately 5% for fiscal '26, up from our prior guidance of flat year over year. The accretive subscription revenues growth contributed by our mortgage business in the second quarter is the result of volume growth concentrated in some large IMB and home builder customers. Our mortgage team did a tremendous job acquiring these customers in the lows of the mortgage cycle, and we are quite encouraged by these results. However, in keeping with our new guidance philosophy, we are not extrapolating this overperformance to the rest of the year at this time. With respect to FX, our prior subscription revenues guidance for fiscal '26 assumed a relatively strong US dollar, which weakened in the second quarter.

Speaker #2: The accretive subscription revenue growth contributed by our mortgage business in the second quarter is the result of volume growth, concentrated in some large IMB and home builder customers.

Speaker #2: Our mortgage team did a tremendous job acquiring these customers in the lows of the mortgage cycle, and we are quite encouraged by these results.

Speaker #2: However, in keeping with our new guidance philosophy, we are not extrapolating this overperformance to the rest of the year at this time. With respect to FX, our prior subscription revenues guidance for fiscal '26 assumed a relatively strong U.S. dollar, which weakened in the second quarter.

Speaker #2: Our revised full-year subscription revenues outlook includes adding approximately $2.1 million of foreign currency benefit relative to our plan for the fiscal year, which includes approximately $1.6 million realized in the second quarter, with the $500,000 balance of the benefit expected in the fourth quarter when the U.S. dollar was strongest last year.

Greg Orenstein: Our revised full-year subscription revenues outlook includes adding approximately $2.1 million of foreign currency benefit relative to our plan for the fiscal year, which includes approximately $1.6 million realized in the second quarter, with the $500,000 balance of the benefit expected in the fourth quarter when the US dollar was strongest last year. Full Circle and sandbox banking have been contributing subscription revenues in accordance with plan, so our outlook for fiscal '26 inorganic subscription revenues of $17.5 million remains unchanged. For fiscal '26, we now expect subscription revenues of $513.5 million to $517.5 million, up from our prior guidance of $507 million to $511 million, representing 10% growth at the midpoint of the range and 9% in constant currency.

Speaker #2: Full Circle and Sandbox Banking have been contributing subscription revenues in accordance with plan, so our outlook for fiscal 2026 inorganic subscription revenues of $17.5 million remains unchanged.

Speaker #2: For fiscal '26, we now expect subscription revenues of $53.5 million to $577.5 million, up from our prior guidance of $577 million to $511 million. This represents 10% growth at the midpoint of the range and 9% in constant currency.

Speaker #2: As a reminder, our second half fiscal 2026 year-over-year subscription revenue comparisons are negatively impacted by an approximately 3% headwind in both the third and fourth quarters, as a result of one-time subscription revenues that occurred in the second half of fiscal 2025.

Greg Orenstein: As a reminder, our second half fiscal '26 year-over-year subscription revenues comparisons are negatively impacted by an approximately 3% headwind in both the third and fourth quarters as a result of one-time subscription revenues that occurred in the second half of fiscal '25. We also continue to expect the fourth quarter to represent the lowest year-over-year subscription revenues growth for the year. For fiscal '26, we now expect total revenues of $585 million to $589 million, up from our prior guidance of $578.5 million to $582.5 million, representing growth of approximately 9% at the midpoint of the range and 8% in constant currency. We now expect our fiscal '26 non-GAAP operating income to be $117.5 million to $121.5 million, up from our prior range of $112 million to $116 million, representing an approximately 24% increase over fiscal '25 at the midpoint.

Speaker #2: We also continue to expect the fourth quarter to represent the lowest year-over-year subscription revenue growth for the year. For fiscal '26, we now expect total revenues of $585 million to $589 million, up from our prior guidance of $578.5 million to $582.5 million, representing growth of approximately 9% at the midpoint of the range, and 8% in constant currency.

Speaker #2: We now expect our fiscal 2026 non-GAAP operating income to be between $117.5 million and $121.5 million, up from our prior range of $112 million to $116 million. This represents an approximately 24% increase over fiscal 2025 at the midpoint.

Speaker #2: Non-GAAP net income attributable to nCino per diluted share is now expected to be $0.77 to $0.80, based upon a weighted average of approximately 118 million diluted shares outstanding, which does not factor in any additional share repurchases beyond those we have made to date.

Greg Orenstein: Non-GAAP net income attributable to NCINO per diluted share is now expected to be $0.77 to $0.80, based upon a weighted average of approximately 118 million diluted shares outstanding, which does not factor in any additional share repurchases beyond those we have made to date. This guidance assumes interest expense incurred under our credit facility of approximately $15 million for the fiscal year. Finally, our fiscal '26 outlook for ACV is $564 million to $567 million, representing growth of 10% at the midpoint of the range, which reflects constant currency as, unlike revenues, ACV is measured in rates at the end of the period. Our guidance represents net additions to ACV of $48 million to $51 million in the year, including $4.5 million from the acquisition of sandbox banking.

Speaker #2: This guidance assumes interest expense incurred under our credit facility of approximately $15 million for the fiscal year. Finally, our fiscal '26 outlook for ACV is $564 million to $567 million, representing growth of 10% at the midpoint of the range, which reflects constant currency, as, unlike revenues, ACV is measured in rates at the end of the period.

Speaker #2: Our guidance represents net additions to ACV of $48 million to $51 million in the year, including $4.5 million from the acquisition of Sandbox Banking.

Speaker #2: Our confidence in meeting or exceeding this outlook is underscored by the net bookings we achieved in the first half of the year and the opportunities we see in the pipeline for the remainder of the year.

Greg Orenstein: Our confidence in meeting or exceeding this outlook is underscored by the net bookings we achieved in the first half of the year and the opportunities we see in the pipeline for the remainder of the year. I'll remind you that ACV bookings have historically been seasonally stronger in the second half of the year, hence the rationale for an annual cadence of our disclosure of this metric. In closing, we are quite pleased with the progress we have made in the first half of the year and are very excited about the deal activity and sales opportunities we are seeing in the market. We remain confident that we are on track to achieving Rule of 40 around the fourth quarter of fiscal '27, as stated on our fourth quarter fiscal '25 earnings call. With that, I will open the line for questions.

Speaker #2: I'll remind you that ACV bookings have historically been seasonally stronger in the second half of the year, hence the rationale for an annual cadence of our disclosure of this metric.

Speaker #2: In closing, we are quite pleased with the progress we have made in the first half of the year and are very excited about the deal activity and sales opportunities we are seeing in the market.

Speaker #2: We remain confident that we are on track to achieving the Rule of 40 around the fourth quarter of fiscal '27, as stated on our fourth quarter fiscal '25 earnings call.

Speaker #2: With that, I will open the line for questions.

Speaker #4: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press *11 again.

Harrison Masters: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. One moment for questions. Our first question comes from Brent Braslin with Piper Sandler. You may proceed.

Speaker #4: One moment for questions. Our first question comes from Brent Braceland with Piper Sandler. You may proceed.

Speaker #5: Thank you. Good afternoon, Greg. It's great to see the biggest revenue beat here since the lockdown days and the digital surge we first saw.

Brent Bracelin: Thank you. Good afternoon. Greg, it's great to see the biggest revenue beat here since the lockdown days and the digital surge we first saw. Based on our estimates, it looks like organic growth reaccelerated for the first time in three years. Can you maybe frame the the drivers behind the strength you're seeing and and whether those are are sustainable, or were there some one-time things that helped you this quarter? Thanks.

Speaker #5: Based on our estimates, it looks like organic growth re-accelerated for the first time in three years. Can you maybe frame the drivers behind the strength you're seeing, and whether those are sustainable, or were there some one-time things that helped you this quarter?

Speaker #5: Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks, Brett. I think, first and foremost, again, just solid execution from the team. I'm so appreciative of everyone's efforts. Everyone is very focused on executing the plan.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, thanks, Brett. yeah, I think first and foremost, again, just just solid execution from the team. And so appreciative of everyone's efforts. everyone is very focused on executing the plan. I think taking a step back, you know, I think the macro in general is more supportive than what we've seen, getting back to your comments about kind of the pre-COVID days. you know, the headwinds that we've been navigating have generally subsided. And ultimately, as we talked about on the call, from a deal activity standpoint and from a sales opportunity standpoint, we haven't seen this level of activity in quite some time. And so we feel good about the business. And, I think the team is very, very focused on just execution.

Speaker #2: I think taking a step back, and I think the macro in general is more supportive than what we've seen. Getting back to your comments about kind of the pre-COVID days.

Speaker #2: You know, the headwinds that we've been navigating have generally subsided. Ultimately, as we talked about on the call, from a deal activity standpoint and from a sales opportunity standpoint, we haven't seen this level of activity in quite some time.

Speaker #2: And so we feel good about the business, and I think the team is very, very focused on just execution.

Speaker #5: Helpful color there. And then Sean, maybe for you on AI, it sounds like you're getting some nice early proof points that you have some differentiation.

Brent Bracelin: Helpful color there. And then, Sean, maybe for you on AI, it sounds like you're getting some some nice early proof points that you have some differentiation. We're seeing in other areas, you know, applied AI in these domain-specific areas are also having success. Banking Advisor, it looks like you're now at 80 customers. I think you talked about maybe a little under 20 entering the year. What's resonating there and how important are these fully agentic workflows coming out next quarter in building on that momentum? Thanks.

Speaker #5: We're seeing, in other areas, applied AI in these domain-specific areas also having success. Baking Advisor looks like you're now at 80 customers.

Speaker #5: I think you talked about maybe a little under 20. Entering the year, what’s resonating there, and how important are these fully agentic workflows coming out next quarter in building on that momentum?

Speaker #5: Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I appreciate the question. Indeed, AI is coming up in every customer conversation we have in the field, and it is contributing meaningfully to wins thus far.

Sean Desmond: Yeah, I appreciate the question. indeed, AI is coming up in every customer conversation, we have in the field, and it is contributing meaningfully to wins thus far, the first half of the year. So we're excited to to build on that momentum. and it also pulls through the platform story. Customers recognize that we have built up a decade of process-centric data and a point of view on that data that informs decisions as well as recommendations we can make to help banks improve their efficiency. and that's ultimately our overarching goal here at NCINO. so we're excited about that, the uptick on Banking Advisor. We do have to remember there is a change management journey there, right? As we roll out Banking Advisor skills, we are changing fundamentally the way people do their jobs. And as they embrace that, there's a learning curve.

Speaker #2: The first half of the year has been exciting, and we're eager to build on that momentum. It also supports the platform story; customers recognize that we have built up a decade of process-centric data and a point of view on that data that informs decisions, as well as recommendations we can make to help banks improve their efficiency.

Speaker #2: And that's ultimately our overarching goal here at nCino. So we're excited about that. The uptick on banking advisor, we do have to remember there is a change management journey there, right?

Speaker #2: As we roll out banking advisor skills, we are changing fundamentally the way people do their jobs. And as they embrace that, there's a learning curve.

Speaker #2: And so we're busy investing in the adoption of that, helping people navigate that. And that's fun work to be doing because we've always aspired to just change the way people do their jobs in this industry.

Sean Desmond: And so we're busy investing in the adoption of that, helping people navigate that. And that's fun work to be doing because we've always aspired to just change the way people do their jobs in this industry. And then finally, when it comes to agentic experiences, we believe we're going to deliver them, you know, even earlier than we anticipated just, you know, on this call last quarter. So we are seeing teams come to the table with agentic experiences, reimagining existing NCINO workflow that are going to show up before the end of this year. And that's exciting. That's exactly the conversation our customers want to have. And they remind us that while they're excited, they're also going to be conservative in terms of how they adopt these.

Speaker #2: And then finally, when it comes to agentic experiences, we believe we're going to deliver them even earlier than we anticipated on this call last quarter.

Speaker #2: So we are seeing teams come to the table with agentic experiences, reimagining existing nCino workflows that are going to show up before the end of this year.

Speaker #2: And that's exciting. That's exactly the conversation our customers want to have. They remind us that while they're excited, they're also going to be conservative in terms of how they adopt these.

Speaker #2: So we're finding the right balance between getting excited about agentic workflows, but driving that out in a very realistic as well as mature sort of a way that we're not compromising risk and compliance within the institution.

Sean Desmond: So we're finding the right balance between getting excited about agentic workflows, but driving that out in a very realistic as well as mature sort of a way that we're not compromising risk and compliance within the institution.

Speaker #5: Helpful color there, guys. Thank you.

Brent Bracelin: Helpful color there, guys. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Brett.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Ben.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Terry Tillman with Truist. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Terry Tillman with Truist. You may proceed.

Speaker #6: Yeah, hi, Sean, Greg, and Harrison. Maybe I should try this. When is TARDIS? Don't laugh at me; I'm Spanish. It's good to see the Spanish win.

Terry Tillman: Yeah, hi, Sean, Greg, and Harrison. Maybe I should try this Buenos tardes. Don't laugh at me. I'm in Spanish. Good to see the Spanish win, but I think there was a little laugh there. But first, I wanted to focus on platform pricing, and then I want to follow up with mortgage. So as you have these platform pricing conversations, and it sounded like you had some success with two top 50 banks and then a top five Canadian bank, like what kind of uplift are you seeing? And then how important and how is that actually tracking in terms of your expectations you had on platform pricing? And how do you think about that as to next year, given probably there's even a larger base of renewals? And then I had a mortgage follow-up question. Thank you.

Speaker #6: But I think there was a little laugh there. But first, I wanted to focus on platform pricing, and then I want to follow with mortgage.

Speaker #6: So, as you have these platform pricing conversations, and it sounded like you had some success with two top 50 banks and then a top five Canadian bank, like what kind of uplift are you seeing?

Speaker #6: And then how important, and how is that actually tracking in terms of your expectations you had on platform pricing? How do you think about that for next year, given probably there's an even larger base of renewals?

Speaker #6: And then I had a mortgage follow-up question. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks for the question, Terry. A few things I think to unpack there. First and foremost, in terms of the pricing transition, you know, as we noted in the prepared remarks, so far I think it's going well and in accordance with our expectations.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, thanks for the question, Terry. A few things I think to unpack there. First and foremost, and just in terms of the pricing transition, you know, as we noted in the prepared remarks, so far, I think it's going well in accordance with our expectations. And so we're really pleased with that. the team's invested a lot of time and energy, and enablement to execute that. so far, we are seeing price uplifts, consistent with our expectations. We've told folks that, you know, we'd like to target around a 10% uplift just on an apples-to-apples basis. So no additional product, just switching from, you know, on renewal to the new model. you know, ultimately, the biggest cohort of migrations or renewals this year is going to be in the fourth quarter.

Speaker #2: And so we're really pleased with that. The team's invested a lot of time and energy in enablement to execute that. So far, we are seeing price uplifts consistent with our expectations.

Speaker #2: We've told folks that, you know, we'd like to target around a 10% uplift just on an apples-to-apples basis. So, no additional product, just switching from, you know, on renewal to the new model.

Speaker #2: You know, ultimately, the biggest cohort of migrations or renewals this year is going to be in the fourth quarter. So, you know, we want to work through that.

Greg Orenstein: So, you know, we want to work through that, before we kind of come out with what we see through that because, again, that's going to be the largest cohort for this year. But it's going well, going in accordance with our expectations. And we see people embracing it, particularly, as Sean noted, with the AI and the banking advisor skills that are part of that transition.

Speaker #2: Before we kind of come out with what we see through that, because, again, that's going to be the largest cohort for this year. But it's going well, going in accordance with our expectations.

Speaker #2: And we see people embracing it, particularly as Sean noted with the AI and the banking advisor skills that are part of that transition.

Speaker #6: That's great. And just on the mortgage side, it's impressive to hear about 5% versus flat. I think, Sean, you were talking about it almost sounds like there's some share gains.

Terry Tillman: That's great. And just on the mortgage side, it's impressive to hear about 5% versus flat. I think, Sean, you were talking about it almost sounds like there's some share gains. This isn't a reliance on the mortgage industry changing or getting better, but IMBs and then home builders. Is there more you can pull from them just winning in a tough market, whether it's in 3Q or beyond? Or, you know, how much do you have to start seeing the industry get better? Thank you.

Speaker #6: This isn't a reliance on the mortgage industry changing or getting better, but IMBs and then home builders. Is there more you can pull from them just winning in a tough market, whether it's in Q3 or beyond? Or, you know, how much do you have to start seeing the industry get better?

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Yeah, so we are excited about the momentum there. I think the convergence of churn settling down to our historic low norms is resulting in a picture where we have more deal activity out there than we've had in quite some time, in addition to the activity we see in the pipeline.

Sean Desmond: Yeah, so we are excited about the momentum there. I think the convergence of churn settling down to our historic low norms there, in addition to the activity we see in the pipeline, is resulting in a picture where we have more deal activity out there than we've had in quite some time. In fact, I had, a number of the field mortgage employees in my office just yesterday talking about this activity and the excitement and the number of meetings I have just in the next month with some customers in that IMB space that you mentioned, as well as depository institutions. We're, you know, we're energized by that. So, you know, I don't think we need to rely on any announcements from the MBA. We don't need to rely on any correlations to interest rates. we simply need to execute and have the best tech in the marketplace.

Speaker #2: In fact, I had a number of the field mortgage employees in my office just yesterday talking about this activity and the excitement, and the number of meetings I have just in the next month with some customers in that IMB space that you mentioned, as well as depository institutions.

Speaker #2: We're energized by that. So, you know, I don't think we need to rely on any announcements from the MBA. We don't need to rely on any correlations to interest rates.

Speaker #2: We simply need to execute and have the best tech in the marketplace. We have a relatively crowded space there with a lot of competitors. That's healthy; it keeps us sharp.

Sean Desmond: we we have a relatively crowded space there with a lot of competitors. That's healthy. That keeps us sharp. And I feel really good about our position competing in that space.

Speaker #2: And I feel really good about our position competing in that space.

Speaker #6: Thanks, nice job.

Terry Tillman: Thanks. Nice job.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Terry.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Terry.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Ryan Tomasello with KBW. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Ryan Tomasella with KBW. You may proceed.

Speaker #7: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start on the credit union wins you called out. I think six net new logos in that category.

Terry Tillman: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. Wanted to start on the credit union wins you called out. I think six net new logos in that category, which seems strong. Just any context around what drove those, if any of those were competitive takeaways. And regarding the broader activation of that new go-to-market team, do you feel like that sales force is now kind of fully hitting its stride in this pace of sales, or there's still more ramp, you know, as pipelines build with that new go-to-market activation? Thanks.

Speaker #7: Which seems strong. Just any context around what drove those? If any of those were competitive takeaways? And regarding the broader activation of that new go-to-market team, do you feel like that sales force is now kind of fully hitting its stride?

Speaker #7: In this pace of sales, or there's still more ramp, you know, as pipelines build with that new go-to-market activation? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think the six deals are a validation of why we may be investing to activate this team. We have the technology, we have the solutions, we're solving the same business problems, but we're speaking the language of a segment of the market that we just had not been as focused on before as we talk about execution discipline and focus.

Sean Desmond: Yeah, I think the the six deals are a validation of why we made the investment to activate this team. We have the technology. We have the solutions. We're solving the same business problems, but we're speaking the language of a segment of the market that we just had not been as focused on before. As we talk about execution, discipline, and focus, that's an area that we're laser-focused. And that team is enthused and energized by that opportunity. So I expect that we'll continue that momentum there. We have opportunities in automated small business. We have opportunities in mortgage. We have opportunities in commercial and consumer lending, all just core bread and butter things that we do here at NCINO. And then we have an opportunity to cross-sell the platform, right? We have a well-established credit union customer base based on doing business there for over a decade.

Speaker #2: That's an area that we're laser-focused. And that team is enthused and energized by that opportunity. So I expect that we'll continue that momentum there.

Speaker #2: We have opportunities in automated small business. We have opportunities in mortgage. We have opportunities in commercial and consumer lending, all just core bread and butter things that we do here at nCino.

Speaker #2: And then we have an opportunity to cross-sell the platform, right? We have a well-established credit union customer base based on doing business there for over a decade.

Speaker #2: And we're seeing opportunities to cross-sell there with that team. So it's a matter of focus and it's exciting to see that one of our key growth initiatives is being validated at this point in the year.

Sean Desmond: And we're seeing opportunities to cross-sell there with that team. So it's a matter of focus. And it's exciting to see that one of our key growth initiatives is being validated at this point in the year.

Speaker #6: Great. And then now that you have several quarters of banking advisor usage data and I think you called out roughly 80 customers onboarded, any color on sizing the type of uplift you're seeing from those usage credit credits to ACVs?

Terry Tillman: Great. And then now that you have several quarters of banking advisor usage data, and I think you called out roughly 80 customers onboarded. Any color on sizing the type of uplift you're seeing from those usage credits to ACVs? I understand that banking advisor doesn't actually count towards ACV, but any way to size that in terms of the usage benefits would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker #6: I understand that banking advisor doesn't actually count towards ACV, but any way to size that in terms of the usage benefits would be helpful.

Speaker #6: Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah, Ryan, for this year, it's, I think we've mentioned this, but just to reinforce, it's not part of our fiscal '26 financial plan. You know, right now the focus of the team is getting that technology in as many of our customers' environments as we can.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, Ryan, for this year, it's, I think we've mentioned this, but just to reinforce, it's not part of our fiscal '26 financial plan. You know, right now, the focus of the team is getting that technology in as many of our customers' environments as we can. And as Sean said, it's then taking them on that journey, kind of cohort by cohort, you know, enabling them to leverage the technology. And so that will take some time to work through. And so that's where our focus right now is very much on the adoption of the technology. And we'll see how that plays out as the year progresses in anticipation of having that be part of our plan for next year. But again, we want to get a little bit more data and more data points from the evolution.

Speaker #2: And as Sean said, is then taking them on that journey, kind of cohort by cohort, you know, enabling them to leverage the technology and so that will take some time to work through.

Speaker #2: And so that's where our focus right now is very much on the adoption of the technology. And we'll see how that plays out as the year progresses in anticipation of having that be part of our plan for next year.

Speaker #2: But again, we want to get a little bit more data and more data points from the evolution, but we are very pleased with what we're seeing so far and the receptivity to, you know, people again looking to us at nCino to take them on this AI journey.

Greg Orenstein: But we are very pleased with what we're seeing so far and the receptivity to, you know, people again looking to us and NCINO to take them on this AI journey.

Speaker #4: Great, thanks for taking the questions.

Terry Tillman: Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Ryan.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Ryan.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Michael Infante with Morgan Stanley. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Michael Infante with Morgan Stanley. You may proceed.

Speaker #8: Hey, guys. Nice result. Thanks for taking my question. Greg, you're obviously called out, you know, your commentary just in terms of your ability to meet or exceed the full-year ACV outlook.

Michael Infante: Hey, guys. Nice result. Thanks for taking my question. Greg, you obviously called out, you know, your your commentary just in terms of your ability to to meet or exceed the full-year ACV outlook. I just wanted to ask on the the sort of two buckets you called out between, you know, performance in the quarter versus what you see in the pipe. Like, how would you sort of speak to, you know, your your level of visibility and sort of how that has improved throughout the quarter? Thanks.

Speaker #8: I just wanted to ask on the sort of two buckets you called out between performance in the quarter versus what you see in the pipe.

Speaker #8: Like, how would you sort of speak to, you know, your level of visibility and sort of how that has improved throughout the quarter? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks for the question, Michael. Yeah, again, I did note our confidence, you know, ultimately, you know, we've got to go execute, right? We have to go get the business, but the business is out there.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, thanks for the question, Michael. Yeah, again, I I did note our confidence. you know, ultimately, you know, we've got to go execute, right? we have to go get the business, but, the business is out there. And as I think we said, we we feel good about it. have not seen this level of deal activity and opportunities, and as I said, in quite some time. So that's encouraging. Team's focused on execution. And yeah, in terms of, you know, looking at the, the ACV guide, again, I think we feel good with really both components, what we did in the first half on a net bookings basis, as well as the pipeline. so I think both of those are contributing, again, to our to our confidence. And then, like I said, it's just about execution.

Speaker #2: And as I think we said, we feel good about it. Have not seen this level of deal activity and opportunities. And as I said, in quite some time.

Speaker #2: So that's encouraging. Team focused on execution. And yeah, in terms of, you know, looking at the ACV guide, again, I think we feel good with really both components.

Speaker #2: What we did in the first half on a net bookings basis, as well as the pipeline, I think both those are contributing, again, to our confidence.

Speaker #2: And then, like I said, it's just about execution.

Speaker #8: Helpful. And then just a quick housekeeping follow-up on Ryan's question. So, just on the banking advisor—despite all of the success that you're seeing on go-lives and some of the positive usage trends—the assumption from a revenue contribution basis for banking advisor specifically is that you're still not going to see any revenue from that product this year.

Michael Infante: Helpful. And then just a quick housekeeping follow-up on Ryan's question. So just on the banking advisor, despite all of the success that you're seeing on on go-lives and and some of the positive usage trends, the assumption from a revenue contribution basis for banking advisor specifically is that you're still not going to see any revenue from that product this year. Is that correct?

Speaker #8: Is that correct?

Speaker #2: That's correct. You know, certainly from an overage perspective, that's right. And again, the focus is on adoption, you know, and helping, again, as Sean said, to help our customers transform the way that they do business with technology.

Greg Orenstein: That's correct. You know, certainly from an overage perspective, that's right. And again, the focus is on adoption, you know, and helping, again, as Sean said, help our customers transform the way that they do business, with technology.

Speaker #8: That's correct.

Michael Infante: Thanks, Greg.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Michael.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Michael.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Adam Hotchkiss with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Adam Hodges with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed.

Speaker #9: Great. Thanks so much for taking the question. You know, I wanted to ask on DocFox and full circle, obviously a number of months since those have been generally available.

Michael Infante: Great. Thanks so much for taking the question. you know, I wanted to ask on Doc Fox and Full Circle, obviously, a number of months since those have been generally available. you know, what what are you know, what was sort of the the performance highlights there in the quarter? And then how are you feeling about the pipeline of those two products? And maybe just the onboarding and account opening category more broadly into the back half of the year and into calendar '26. Thanks.

Speaker #9: You know, what are what was sort of the performance highlights there in the quarter and then how are you feeling about the pipeline of those two products?

Speaker #9: And maybe just onboarding and account opening category more broadly into the back half of the year and into calendar '26. Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah, with respect to the integration of full circle, we're on track to revenue plan, as noted in prepared remarks. And we're really happy with the technical work that is ongoing there.

Sean Desmond: Yeah, with respect to the integration of Full Circle, we're on track to revenue plan, as noted in prepared remarks. And we're really happy with the technical work that is ongoing there, that we could deliver a full CLM solution, customer lifecycle management, in the MBM market. With respect to Doc Fox, consistent with the message we've been delivering this year, we have, been doing the technical work that will set up sales cycles the back half of this year that we think will be accretive next year. so the lion's share of that work has been completed. the teams continue to get a fully end-to-end integrated onboarding straight through into origination and onboarding into account opening, scenarios. And that's exactly what our customers are asking for.

Speaker #2: That we could deliver a full CLM solution customer lifecycle management and the MBA market. With respect to DocFox, consistent with the message we've been delivering this year, we have been doing the technical work that will set up sales cycles, the back half of this year that we think will be a creative next year.

Speaker #2: So, the lion's share of that work has been completed. The teams continue to get a fully end-to-end integrated onboarding straight through into origination and onboarding into account opening.

Speaker #2: Scenarios, and that's exactly what our customers are asking for. And that's really.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, and just as a reminder, we released that at the end of May. And so to Sean's point, you know, we released that at insight. And so seeing those pipeline builds, that's what we've been focused on. And we would expect to see results over the coming quarters.

Speaker #4: Just as a reminder, we released that at the end of May. And so to Sean's point, you know, we released that at insight. And so seeing those pipeline builds, that's what we've been focused on.

Speaker #4: And we would expect to see results over the coming quarters.

Speaker #9: Okay, thanks. Greg and Sean, really helpful. And then Greg, just on the comment you made around reiterating the fiscal '27 rule of 40 by the end of the year, would the revenue growth outperformance and then the sort of operating income outperformance that's commensurate with that so far this year, any changes to the way you're thinking about the relative contribution from revenue growth versus operating margin or which one you're prioritizing or thinking about versus the other, maybe versus when you talked to us three months ago?

Michael Infante: Okay. Thanks, Greg and Sean. Really helpful. And then, Greg, just on the the comment you made around reiterating the fiscal '27 Rule of 40 by the end of the year, with the revenue growth outperformance and then the the sort of operating income outperformance that's commensurate with that so far this year, any changes to the way you're thinking about the relative contribution from revenue growth versus operating margin, or which one you're prioritizing or thinking about versus the other, maybe versus when you talked to us three months ago? Thank you.

Speaker #9: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Yeah, you bet. Look, our focus, as you know, has been on growth and obviously we've had some headwinds to navigate. And as I mentioned earlier, you know, from a macro perspective, you know, it is quite a bit more supportive.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, you bet. Look, our focus, as you know, has been on growth. And obviously, we've had some headwinds to navigate. And as I mentioned earlier, you know, from a macro perspective, you know, it is quite a bit more supportive. And those headwinds have largely subsided. And so we're always going to err on the side of growth. We think there's a tremendous opportunity out there for us. We think we have an unparalleled product portfolio. We think we are leading the market in terms of AI. And so, Adam, we're always going to err on the side of growth. But when we made that commitment around the fourth quarter of next year with Rule of 40, you know, we did not differentiate. We just, that was the commitment. And obviously, we want to see as much of that come from growth as we possibly can.

Speaker #2: And those headwinds have largely subsided. And so we're always going to err on the side of growth. We think there's a tremendous opportunity out there for us.

Speaker #2: We think we have an unparalleled product portfolio. We think we are leading the market in terms of AI. And so, Adam, we're always going to err on the side of growth.

Speaker #2: But when we made that commitment around the fourth quarter of next year with rule of 40, you know, we did not differentiate. We just, that was the commitment.

Speaker #2: And obviously, we want to see as much of that come from growth as we possibly can.

Speaker #9: Great. Thanks so much, Greg.

Michael Infante: Great. Thanks so much, Greg.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Adam.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Adam.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Aaron Kimson with Citizens. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Aaron Gibson with Citizens. You may proceed.

Speaker #8: Great. Thanks, guys.

Michael Infante: Great. Thanks, guys. Sean, are you finding today or do you anticipate in the future that any of the newer vision around banking advisor or functionality like the updated NCINO mortgage is compelling enough to drive early renewals and thus bring forward pricing tailwind versus the tailwinds being spread out over a four-year renewal cycle?

Speaker #6: Sean, are you finding today or do you anticipate in the future that any of the newer vision around banking advisor or functionality like the updated nCino mortgage is compelling enough to drive early renewals and thus bring forward pricing tailwinds versus the tailwinds being spread out over a four-year renewal cycle?

Speaker #2: Yes. The answer is yes. We have been seeing that play out in some early renewal scenarios. The first half of this year. In some cases where we have customers that might not be up for renewal until next fiscal year and beyond, the interest in banking advisor is pulling forward conversations that we're having in the field.

Sean Desmond: Yes. The answer is yes. We have been seeing that play out in some early renewal scenarios the first half of this year. In some cases where we have customers that might not be up for renewal until next fiscal year and beyond, the interest in banking advisor is pulling forward conversations that we're having in the field and having them run toward embracing the new pricing model that we have our customers on. And you know, as you all know, you know, on the one hand, the new pricing model is directly aligned with the outcomes that we want to deliver to our customers. On the other hand, you know, it is a change and change is hard. So I am really excited to hear that customers, because of banking advisor as a proxy to drive renewal conversations, are pulling those forward.

Speaker #2: And having them run toward embracing the new pricing model that we have our customers on. And, you know, as you all know, you know, on the one hand, the new pricing model is directly aligned with the outcomes that we want to deliver to our customers.

Speaker #2: On the other hand, you know, it is a change and change is hard. So I am really excited to hear that customers, because of banking advisor as a proxy to drive renewal conversations, are pulling those forward.

Speaker #8: That's great to hear. And then as a follow-up, I just wanted to ask, given the noise around circles IPO in June and then the community bank lobby playing a big role in the ultimate wording of the genius act in July, how do you think about the potential risks of stablecoins on the community banks that make up about a third or so of your US core revenue as the regulatory framework evolves in the future?

Michael Infante: That's great to hear. And then as a follow-up, I just wanted to ask, given the noise around Circle's IPO in June and then the community bank lobby playing a big role in the ultimate wording of the Genius Act in July, what do you think about the potential risks of stablecoins on the community banks that make up about a third or so of your US core revenue as the regulatory framework evolves in the future?

Speaker #2: We're watching carefully what's going on in the market and we're listening intently to our customers. And, you know, in the past three weeks, we've had a number of banks of all sizes visit us here in Wilmington.

Sean Desmond: We're watching carefully what's going on in the market, and we're listening intently to our customers. and you know, in the past three weeks, we've had a number of banks of all sizes visit us here in Wilmington, and we're close and in tune with the field. What I would tell you is that, that is a question that our customers are asking us. And when we read that question back, they're saying it's not a big priority at the moment. So in terms of the problems we solve and what we do for our customers, onboarding, account opening, loan origination, and portfolio monitoring, as we ask, should we prioritize stablecoin solutioning within that context, they're not pushing us hard right now. But we're we're listening carefully, and we'll be on the front foot when they're ready.

Speaker #2: And we're close and in tune with the field. What I would tell you is that that is a question that our customers are asking us and when we read that question back, they're saying it's not a big priority at the moment.

Speaker #2: So in terms of the problems we solve and what we do for our customers onboarding, account opening, loan origination, and portfolio monitoring, as we ask, should we prioritize stablecoin solutioning within that context?

Speaker #2: They're not pushing us hard right now. But we're listening carefully and we'll be on the front foot when they're ready.

Speaker #8: Thank you.

Michael Infante: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Aaron.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Aaron.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Chris Kennedy with William Blair. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Chris Kennedy with William Blair. You may proceed.

Speaker #7: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to follow up on the fiscal 2027 commentary. Any way to think about kind of what this business can grow at in 2027?

Chris Kennedy: Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to follow up on the fiscal 2027 commentary. Any way to think about kind of what this business will grow at in 2027?

Speaker #2: Yeah, Chris, I think right now we're just focused on executing '26. And so I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. Thinking about fiscal '27.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, Chris, I think right now we're just focused on executing '26. And so I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, thinking about fiscal '27. but again, as we sit here today, from a deal activity standpoint, you know, we feel we feel good about where the business is. We feel good about the deal activity we see out there, the opportunities, the discussions we're having on a global basis. And, I think, as I noted, it's just really all about going and and getting the business closed. And obviously, as the year progresses and as we get into next year, that'll that'll form our opinion about, about next year.

Speaker #2: But again, as we sit here today, from a deal activity standpoint, you know, we feel good about where the business is. We feel good about the deal activity we see out there, the opportunities, the discussions we're having on a global basis.

Speaker #2: And I think, as I noted, it's just really all about going and getting the business closed. And obviously as the year progresses and as we get into next year, that'll form our opinion about next year.

Speaker #7: Got it. Understood. Thank you for that. And then just broadly, it's 's clear the pipeline of opportunities is really strong right now. What are you seeing out there in the market that's driving that?

Chris Kennedy: Got it. Understood. Thank you for that. And then just broadly, clear the pipeline of opportunities is really strong right now. What are you seeing out there in the market that's driving that? Clearly, you have more a better product size or more robust products. But what are you seeing out there in the market that's driving that pipeline? Thanks for taking the question.

Speaker #7: Clearly, you have more a better product side or more robust products, but what are you seeing out there in the market that's driving that pipeline?

Speaker #7: Thanks for taking the question.

Speaker #2: Yeah, thank you. You know, number one, I think the macro is supportive. You know, reinforcing some of Greg's comments earlier, that some of the headwinds that we faced are behind us.

Sean Desmond: Yes, thank you. You know, number one, I think the macro is is supportive, you know, reinforcing some of Greg's comments earlier that some of the headwinds that we faced are, you know, behind us. I also think that the reality that we have this very unique inflection point, in the technology, in in AI that is available to drive outcomes, is something that is driving customer conversations, you know, and and and pulling forward, as I mentioned, not only renewals, but just interest, in in how customers can get outcomes that we've always delivered, but now deliver even faster, right, and with better quality. so not only are the headwinds behind us and we have this inflection point, but back to controlling what we can control, there's an intense focus on the pipeline coverage and ratios that we have in all segments and in all businesses.

Speaker #2: I also think that the reality that we have this very unique inflection point in the technology in AI that is available to drive outcomes is something that is driving customer conversations and pulling forward, as I mentioned, not only renewals but just interest.

Speaker #2: In how customers can get outcomes that we've always delivered, but now deliver even faster, right? And with better quality. So not only are the headwinds behind us and we have this inflection point, but back to controlling what we can control, there's an intense focus on the pipeline coverage and ratios that we have in all segments and in all businesses.

Speaker #2: So we look across commercial, consumer, and mortgage and we look at our North American and EMEA and APAC business. And every conversation starts and ends with what we're doing to drive that pipeline and the activity in that pipeline.

Sean Desmond: So we look across commercial, consumer, and mortgage, and we look at our North American and EMEA and APAC business, and every conversation starts and ends with what we're doing to drive that pipeline and the activity in that pipeline. So, you know, execution always comes down to people and accountability. And I think the sense of urgency and accountability in those pipeline conversations is is what's driving some of the activity as well.

Speaker #2: So you know, execution always comes down to people and accountability. And I think the sense of urgency and accountability in those pipeline conversations is what's driving some of the activity as well.

Speaker #7: Thank you.

Chris Kennedy: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thanks, Chris.

Greg Orenstein: Thanks, Chris.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Alex Sklar with Raymond James. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Alex Clark with Raymond James. You may proceed.

Speaker #8: Great, thanks. Sean, maybe following up on your answer there, the last question, just in terms of international pipeline, you've got a new leadership team that's been in place now for almost a year.

Terry Tillman: Great, thanks. Sean, maybe following up on your on your answer there, the last question, just in terms of international pipeline, you've got a new leadership team that's been in place now for for almost a year. You had a couple of wins in the prepared remarks. Any color on what you're seeing from a contribution to bookings or pipeline growth relative to the the 10% kind of organic subscription growth you talked about this quarter? Are you seeing the kind of signs of reacceleration come through?

Speaker #8: You had a couple of wins in the prepared remarks. Any color on what you're seeing from a contribution to bookings or pipeline growth relevant to the 10% kind of organic subscription growth you talked about this quarter?

Speaker #8: Are you seeing the kind of signs of re-acceleration come through?

Speaker #2: We are absolutely seeing signs of re-acceleration in the pipeline activity. In terms of, you know, disclosing the ratios on bookings, you know, we're going to stick to our core ACV metrics and read those out on an annual basis.

Sean Desmond: We are absolutely seeing signs of reacceleration in the pipeline activity, in terms of, you know, disclosing the ratios on bookings. You know, we're going to stick to our core ACV metrics and read those out, on an annual basis. but I'm I'm really, really pleased with what Joaquin and his second line leadership team that that he's put in place since joining in November, is driving. We have been very candid about our focus on continental Europe beyond the UK and Ireland. And that's starting to play out in the pipeline and in the conversation, the activity, in the field. and and we're tracking closely the size of deals as well. and I'm excited about the volume, you know, that we have both up market and down market, in EMEA.

Speaker #2: But I'm really, really pleased with what Joaquin and his second line leadership team that he's put in place since joining in November. Is driving.

Speaker #2: We have been very candid about our focus on continental Europe beyond the UK and Ireland. And that's starting to play out in the pipeline and in the conversation, the activity.

Speaker #2: In the field, and we're tracking closely the size of deals as well. And I'm excited about the volume that we have both up market and down market.

Speaker #2: In EMEA and then I'm excited about the integration of full circle and our ability to really lean into the CLM opportunity. So, you know, pipeline activity is strong.

Sean Desmond: And then I'm excited about the integration of Full Circle and our ability to really lean into the CLM opportunity. so, you know, pipeline activity is strong. Joaquin is doing a nice job. I'm headed over there next month and excited about our EMEA summit where we have all our customers in a single place and to make some of the rounds in the field.

Speaker #2: Joaquin is doing a nice job. I'm headed over there next month and excited about our EMEA summit where we'll have all our customers in a single place and to make some of the rounds in the field.

Speaker #8: Okay, great color there. And then maybe a follow-up for you, Greg. Just in terms of the mortgage volume upside you saw in the first half of the year, I know you kind of said keeping with guidance philosophy, not embedding that, but what is embedded in the second half in terms of mortgage?

Terry Tillman: All right, great color there. And then and then maybe a follow-up for you, Greg, just in terms of the mortgage volume upside you saw in the first half of the year. I know you kind of said, keeping with guidance philosophy, not embedding that, but what is embedded in the second half in terms of mortgage? what is it kind of a thought that the that volumes were pulled forward or any other factor in terms of how you shook out on on the mortgage outlook?

Speaker #8: Is it kind of a thought that volumes were pulled forward or any other factor in terms of how you shook out on the mortgage outlook?

Speaker #2: Yeah, Alex, I think as we look at the second quarter, again, not wanting to get ahead of ourselves, you know, ultimately assuming maybe there's some seasonality as well in terms of the second quarter.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, Alex, I think as we look at the second quarter, again, not wanting to get ahead of ourselves, you know, ultimately, assuming maybe there's some seasonality as well in terms of the second quarter. And so we flowed through, obviously, the beat, but, again, just lessons learned from last year. We're going to stick with our guidance philosophy and not, not, you know, extrapolate in terms of what interest rates may do, what mortgage rates may do, and what mortgage volumes may do. we're trying to be very transparent in terms of giving you that detail so you guys can have that information and see what we're seeing. And again, as the, as the year progresses and we get more data points, we'll obviously be able to to come back to you guys with updated thoughts around what we're seeing in that, in that market.

Speaker #2: And so we flowed through, obviously, the beat. But again, just lessons learned from last year. We're going to stick with our guidance philosophy and not, you know, extrapolate in terms of what interest rates may do, what mortgage rates may do, and what mortgage volumes may do.

Speaker #2: We're trying to be very transparent in terms of giving you that detail, so you guys can have that information and see what we're seeing.

Speaker #2: And again, as the year progresses and we get more data points, we'll obviously be able to come back to you guys with updated thoughts around what we're seeing in that market.

Speaker #2: Ultimately, again, I think very proud of the team the work that was done during the very difficult days over the last couple of years to go out and gain market share, grab new logos, and it's encouraging with what we're seeing from certainly some of those customers, particularly some of the larger IMB and home builder customers that we've bought on over the last couple of years.

Greg Orenstein: Ultimately, again, I think, very proud of the team, the work that was done during the very difficult days over the last couple of years to go out and gain market share, grab new logos. And it's encouraging with what we're seeing, you know, from certainly some of those, customers, particularly some of the larger IMB and home builder customers that we've bought on over the the last couple of years.

Speaker #8: All right, great. Thank you both. Thank

Terry Tillman: All right, great. Thank you both.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

Greg Orenstein: Thank you.

Speaker #8: you.

Sean Desmond: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Koji Akita with Bank of America. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Koji Akito with Bank of America. You may proceed.

Speaker #10: Hey, guys. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Maybe a question for Sean. What do you think will be the stronger driver of growth over the next several years?

Chris Kennedy: Hey, guys. Thanks so much for taking the questions. maybe a question for Sean. what what do you think will be the stronger driver of growth over the next several years? An improving demand environment from, you know, presumably lower interest rate and looser regulatory environment or your vertical AI strategy?

Speaker #10: And improving demand environment from presumably lower interest rate and looser regulatory environment, or your vertical AI strategy?

Speaker #2: So So appreciate the question. And you know, would love to provide prescriptive forecasts and exactly where all the growth is coming from. But I would lead with the power of the platform.

Sean Desmond: So appreciate the question, and you know, would love to provide prescriptive forecasts on exactly where all the growth is coming from. But I would lead with, the the power of the platform, and the diversified revenue streams that we do have here at NCINO across the things we do and the lines of business where we do them. and we have always been a company that is going to bet on ourselves and the investments we're making that align with where we think the growth is going to be in the ecosystem. Right now, you do see a massive inflection point with AI. I don't necessarily think AI by itself drives revenue growth. I think outcomes that we deliver to our customers drive revenue growth. And AI will be the best proxy to deliver those outcomes. And we will capitalize on that and we'll lead the industry.

Speaker #2: And the diversified revenue streams that we do have here at nCino across the things we do and the lines of business where we do them.

Speaker #2: And we have always been a company that is going to bet on ourself. And the investments we're making that align with where we think the growth is going to be in the ecosystem.

Speaker #2: Right now, you do see a massive inflection point with AI, I don't necessarily think AI by itself drives revenue growth. I think outcomes that we deliver to our customers drive revenue growth.

Speaker #2: And AI will be the best proxy to deliver those outcomes. And we will capitalize on that and we'll lead the industry. But we're going to control what we can control.

Sean Desmond: But we're going to control what we can control. We can't control interest rates. We can't control the regulatory environment. We can't control what the Fed's going to announce tomorrow. So we're going to stay focused on betting on ourselves with those growth initiatives.

Speaker #2: We can't control interest rates. We can't control the regulatory environment. We can't control what the Fed's going to announce tomorrow. So we're going to stay focused on betting on ourselves with those growth initiatives.

Speaker #10: Got it. No, thanks, Sean. And maybe a follow-up question here for Greg. You know, when I go back to the investor day from earlier this year, and then your comments today about focusing on professional services growth margins, I said we'd be thinking about the pace of growth margin professional services growth margin improvements from here.

Chris Kennedy: Got it. No, thanks, Sean. And maybe a follow-up question here for Greg. You know, when I go back to the Investor Day from earlier this year and then your comments today about focusing on professional services growth margins, I could really be thinking about the pace of growth margin, professional services growth margin improvements from here. Will it be more gradual, or are there things that you're working through that can really drive the step function improvement in growth margins? Thanks.

Speaker #10: Will it be more gradual or are there things that you're working through that can really drive a step function improvement in growth margins? Thanks.

Speaker #2: Yeah. Koji, I think at this point we would expect it to be somewhat gradual. And first and foremost, we need to close off on some of the projects that we've been involved in, right?

Greg Orenstein: Yeah. Koji, I think at this point, we would expect it to be somewhat gradual. And first and foremost, we need to close off on some of the projects that we've been, involved in, right, and ramp those down as as those come to completion. And in parallel with things like we talked about at the Investor Day, Project 70, for example, which is one of the initiatives we have, you know, those ramping up. And so we're going to work through those as the year progresses. but again, I think that positions us well as we get into, you know, some point in next year, you know, starting to see the benefits of of those activities as we sit here today. That's that's kind of how we're thinking about it.

Speaker #2: And ramp those down as those come to completion. And in parallel with things like we talked about at the investor day, Project 70, for example, which is one of the initiatives we have those ramping up.

Speaker #2: And so we're going to work through those as the year progresses. But again, I think that positions us well as we get into some point in next year starting to see the benefits of those activities as we sit here today.

Speaker #2: That's kind of how we're thinking about it. So again, it's a ramp down and a ramp up in parallel, but it's very much a focus of the team.

Greg Orenstein: so it's, again, it's a ramp down and a ramp up in parallel, but it's very much a focus of the team. we see the opportunity there to improve growth margins meaningfully from where we are. And, again, it's just all about executing to get there.

Speaker #2: We see the opportunity there to improve growth margins meaningfully from where we are. And again, it's just all about executing to get there.

Speaker #10: Got it. Thank you.

Chris Kennedy: Got it. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Koji.

Greg Orenstein: Thank you, Koji.

Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Joe Ruling with Baird. You may proceed.

Harrison Masters: Our next question comes from Joe Ruhn with Baird. You may proceed.

Speaker #8: Great, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to the pricing model. So 21% of ACVs switched over at bulk of that is mortgage.

Michael Infante: Hi, Greg. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to the pricing model. So 21% of ACV switched over. I think the bulk of that is mortgage. When you hone in on the renewals with big commercial customers and the press release called out a few of these, is that looking any different than the experience at large? And then maybe a second adjunct. When you think broadly across your customer base and starting this conversation, does the new pricing model provide an opportunity to widen the aperture of how customers think about using NCINO? So is aligning yourself with the idea of growing assets a more accommodating conversation than forcing banks to think about seats, for instance?

Speaker #8: When you hone in on the renewals with big commercial customers and the press release called out a few of these, is that looking any different than the experience at large?

Speaker #8: And then maybe a second adjunct: when you think broadly across your customer base and start this conversation, does the new pricing model provide an opportunity to widen the aperture of how customers think about using nCino?

Speaker #8: So is aligning yourself with the idea of growing assets a more accommodating conversation than forcing banks to think about seats, for instance?

Speaker #2: Yes, Joe. Absolutely. The reality is that, on the one hand, the legacy seat model may have seemed very simplistic for customers to understand. And it wasn't a math problem, but it is hard, especially for a large enterprise institution, to understand exactly how many users three years from now are going to be on the platform when you're talking about thousands of users in some cases.

Sean Desmond: Yes, Joe. Absolutely. The reality is, on the one hand, the legacy seat model may have seemed very, you know, simplistic for customers to understand. And it wasn't a map. But it is hard, especially for a large enterprise institution, to understand exactly how many users three years from now are going to be on the platform when you're talking about, you know, thousands of users in some cases. And the conversation that I'd much rather have and that I think our customers would much rather have is what outcomes are you going to deliver and what efficiency are you going to drive into the institution?

Speaker #2: And the conversation that I'd much rather have and that I think our customers would much rather have is what outcomes are you going to deliver and what efficiency you're going to drive into the institution.

Speaker #2: And if we can identify where the friction is, whether that's in closing time or underwriting time or loan cycle times, and we can read that back to operations analytics and meaningfully reduce that friction, and spend within the institution, then they're much more willing to spend and scale with nCino.

Sean Desmond: And if we can identify where the friction is, whether that's in closing time or underwriting time or loan cycle times, and we can read that back to the operations analytics and meaningfully reduce that friction, and spend within the institution, then they're much more willing to spend and scale within CNO. So we like the way the early day pricing conversations are headed. although, again, I will remind everybody that change is hard. And so when you introduce something new, there's some initial education that needs to happen. Well, once people understand the outcome correlation, it plays really well.

Speaker #2: So we like the way the early days pricing conversations are headed. Although again, I will remind everybody that change is hard. And so when you introduce something new, there's some initial education that needs to happen.

Speaker #2: Once people understand the outcome correlation, it plays really well.

Speaker #8: And And Joe, just to give a little bit more clarity, out of the 21%, about a third of that platform pricing would be mortgage.

Greg Orenstein: And, and Joe, just to to, give a little bit more clarity, out of the 21%, about a third of that platform pricing, would be mortgage.

Speaker #10: Okay. That's great. Thanks, Greg. Just on the updated forecasts and what's assumed for the second half and appreciate all the mortgage commentaries. So maybe this question is outside of mortgage and just on the core subscription bookings.

Michael Infante: Okay. that's great. Thanks, Greg. just on the updated forecast and what's assumed for the second half, and, appreciate all the mortgage commentary. So maybe this question is outside of mortgage and just on the core subscription bookings. I seem to recall that entering the year, you were not assuming much transacted during the first half, and so therefore limited revenue contribution in this fiscal year. Can you maybe comment just on how your first half bookings compared to plan? You know, maybe not a number, but were they better? And then, how does the second half bookings plan look like it's shaping up? Because I think that'll bear some influence on, these fiscal 2027 questions and maybe how to think about your exit philosophy into next year's number.

Speaker #10: I seem to recall that entering the year, you were not assuming much transacted during the first half. And so therefore, limited revenue contribution in this fiscal year.

Speaker #10: Can you maybe comment just on how your first half bookings compared to plan, you know, maybe not a number, but were they better? And then how does the second half bookings plan look like it's shaping up?

Speaker #10: Because I think that'll bear some influence on these fiscal 2027 questions and maybe how to think about your exit philosophy into next year's number.

Speaker #2: Yeah, look, I think, and I noted on a net bookings basis from a first half standpoint, we were pleased with how the company executed and performed.

Greg Orenstein: Yeah, look, I think, and I noted on a net bookings basis from a first-half standpoint, we were pleased, with how the company executed and performed. And again, that gives us confidence as we think about meeting or exceeding our ACV guide for for the year. and so as we go into the second half of the year, like I said, you know, we feel good about the business. The business is out there. It's just about, you know, executing. And that's what the team is really focused on. It's great to see, great to see that focus. And, you know, as we enter football season, right, it's just, you know, we remind ourselves it's a four-quarter game, and we want to finish, we want to finish all four quarters strong. That's what we're focused on doing.

Speaker #2: And again, that gives us confidence as we think about meeting our exceeding our ACV guide for the year. And so as we go into the second half of the year, like I said, you know, we feel good about the business.

Speaker #2: The business is out there. It's just about, you know, executing. And that's what the team lately focused on. It's great to see that focus and, you know, as me and our football season, right?

Speaker #2: It's just, you know, we remind ourselves it's a four-quarter game. And we want to finish, we want to finish all four quarters strong. That's what we're focused on doing.

Speaker #8: Great. Thank you very much.

Michael Infante: Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

Greg Orenstein: Thank you.

Speaker #4: Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, please press *11 on your telephone. Our next question comes from Charles Navan with Stevens.

Harrison Masters: Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. Our next question comes from Charles Mayban with Stevens. You may proceed.

Speaker #4: You may proceed.

Speaker #8: Hey, guys. Congrats on the result and thank you for taking my question. I wanted to focus on the inorganic piece of the business. And just get a sense for how we should think about the growth rate of full circle and sandbox as they transition into organic over the next year or so.

Greg Orenstein: Hey, guys. Congrats on the result, and thank you for taking my question. I wanted to focus on the inorganic piece of the business and just get a sense for how we should think about the growth rate of Full Circle and Sandbox as they transition into organic over the next year or so. Are those businesses growing? Is the growth rate of those businesses accretive, neutral, or or dilutive to to the overall growth rate?

Speaker #8: Are those businesses growing? Is the growth rate of those businesses accretive? Neutral or diluted to the overall growth rate?

Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks for the question. Both full circle and sandbox are on track to revenue plan, as noted in the prepared remarks. And moreover, I'm excited about the technical work that is progressing there.

Sean Desmond: Yeah, thanks for the question. Both Full Circle and Sandbox are on track to revenue plan, as noted in in the prepared remarks. And moreover, I'm excited about the technical work that is progressing there. So they're in line with our internal expectations. And I would expect as we further integrate those solutions, for instance, Full Circle to have an end-to-end CLM reality in the EMEA marketplace, and we bring some of the Sandbox use cases to market beyond some of the initial support of banking advisor, that they'll be more accretive next year. But right now, they're on track. I would also just anecdotally add, you know, from an integration gateway opportunity point of view, the Sandbox banking team that we have ingested has become part of the NCINO broader team right now.

Speaker #2: So they're in line with our internal expectations. And I would expect as we further integrate those solutions for instance, full circle to have an end-to-end CLM reality in the EMEA marketplace.

Speaker #2: And we bring some of the sandbox use cases to market beyond some of the initial support of banking advisor, that they'll be more accretive next year.

Speaker #2: But right now, they’re on track. I would also just anecdotally add, you know, from an integration gateway opportunity point of view, the sandbox banking team that we have ingested has become part of the nCino broader team. Right now, it is probably one of the most in-demand teams at the company.

Sean Desmond: It's probably one of the most in-demand teams at the company and have injected a great deal of not only integration, but as well as AI DNA here. So that's energized us on a lot of fronts.

Speaker #2: And I've injected a great deal of not only integration, but also AI and DNA here. So that's energized us on a lot of fronts.

Speaker #8: Got Got it. And as a follow-up, and apologies in advance if you noted this already, how much of the mortgage book is on a volume or a platform-based pricing model?

Greg Orenstein: Got it. And as a follow-up, and apologies in advance if you noted this already, how much of the mortgage book is on a volume or a platform-based pricing model? I know a few, I know recently it was about half, but just curious where we stand today. And any color around the mix of bank credit union versus IMBs would be helpful as well. Yeah. I think there are two questions in there, Chuck. So I think the first part of the question was, again, about a third of that 21% that's on platform pricing is mortgage. And again, that's where we started this platform pricing transition. So again, I think we feel real good about the at-bets that we've had there and the execution of that. I think the second question was the breakdown between IMBs and depositories.

Speaker #8: I know a few, I know recently it was about half, but just curious where we stand today and any color around the mix of bank credit union versus IMBs would be helpful as well.

Speaker #2: Yeah, I think we are two questions in there. Check. So I think the first part of the question was again about a third of that 21% that's on-platform pricing is mortgage.

Speaker #2: And again, that's where we started. This pricing platform pricing transition. So again, I think we feel real good about the at-bests that we've had there and the execution of that.

Speaker #2: I think the second question was the breakdown between IMBs and depositories. I think, from a logo perspective, historically it has been more weighted to IMBs. I'm sorry, from a logo perspective, it's about balance.

Greg Orenstein: I think from a logo perspective, historically been more weighted to IMBs. I'm sorry, from a logo perspective, it's about balance. From a revenue perspective, it's been more weighted towards, I'll call the IMBs and home builders, the non-depositories. And again, a lot of that goes to some of those large customers that we referenced that, you know, some of them helped with the overperformance in the second quarter. Got it. Appreciate all the caller, guys. Thank you. Thank you for the questions.

Speaker #2: From a revenue perspective, it's been more weighted towards, I'll call the IMBs and home builders, the non-depositories. And again, a lot of that goes to some of those large customers that we referenced that, you know, some of them helped with the overperformance in the second quarter.

Speaker #8: Got Got it. Appreciate all the color, guys. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you for the questions.

Speaker #4: Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Sean Desmond for any closing remarks.

Harrison Masters: Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Sean Desmond for any closing remarks.

Speaker #9: Yes, thank you. We appreciate

Sean Desmond: Yes, thank you. We appreciate the time today. We appreciate the questions. I hope everybody enjoys the long weekend ahead of us as we look forward to speaking again next quarter and run toward the back half of the year. Take care.

Speaker #2: the time today. We appreciate the questions. Hope everybody enjoys the long weekend ahead of us as we look forward to speaking again next quarter and run toward the back half of the year.

Speaker #2: Take care.

Harrison Masters: Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.