Q3 2025 Enbridge Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good morning and welcome to the Enbridge , Inc. . Third quarter 2020 Financial Results conference . Call . My name is Rebecca Morley , and I'm the vice president of investor relations and insurance , joining me this morning are Greg Ebel , president and CEO .
Speaker #3: Pat Murray , Executive Vice president and chief financial officer . And the heads of each of our business units , Colin , grinding liquids pipelines .
Speaker #3: Cynthia Hansen , gas Transmission Michelle Harradence , gas distribution and storage . And Matthew Ackman , renewable power . At this time , all participants are in a listen only mode .
Speaker #3: Following the presentation , we will conduct a question and answer session for the investment community . Please note this conference call is being recorded .
Speaker #3: As per usual , this call is being webcast and I encourage those listening on the phone to follow along with the supporting slides .
Speaker #3: We will try to keep the call to roughly one hour , and in order to answer as many questions as possible , we will be limiting questions to one plus a single follow up .
Speaker #3: If necessary, we'll be prioritizing questions from the investment community. So, if you are a member of the media, please direct your inquiries to our communications team.
Speaker #3: Who will be happy to respond . As always , our Investor Relations team will be available following the call for any follow up questions .
Speaker #3: On to slide two, I would like to remind you that we'll be referring to forward-looking information in today's presentation and in the Q&A.
Speaker #3: By its nature , this information contains forecast assumptions and expectations about future outcomes , which are subject to risks and uncertainties outlined here and discussed more fully in our public disclosure filings .
Speaker #3: We'll also be referring to non-GAAP measures summarized below . And with that , I'll turn it over to Greg .
Speaker #4: Thanks very much , Rebecca , and good morning , everyone . Thanks for joining us on the call today . Before we start , I'd like to take a moment to congratulate Cynthia , who announced plans to retire at the end of 2026 .
Speaker #4: Her outstanding leadership and dedication to Enbridge over the past 25 years is inspiring , and I'm grateful that she'll be continuing to provide guidance to our executive team through the end of next year .
Speaker #4: I'd also like to congratulate Matthew , who will transition to president of our GTM business at the end of this year , as well as Alan Capps , who has been appointed to succeed Matthew as the head of our corporate strategy group .
Speaker #4: And president of our power business . As we've said before , and it remains true today , our investment in people creates a deep bench of executive talent to ensure smooth transition and strong leadership as we move forward .
Speaker #4: Now , moving on to our agenda for this morning . I'm excited to share another strong quarter and highlight the significant progress we've made throughout all segments of our business .
Speaker #4: It has been a busy quarter for us with new projects serving a wide range of customers across our core franchises . We're going to start today with an update on our financial performance .
Speaker #4: Execution of our increasing number of secured growth projects and prospects . And I'll also highlight the strong returns and stability our business continues to demonstrate and provide an update on each of our four franchises .
Speaker #4: Pat will then walk through our financial results and capital allocation priorities . And lastly , I'll close the presentation with a few comments on our first choice value proposition .
Speaker #4: Before we open the line for questions from the investment community , we had another strong quarter of results , including record third quarter adjusted EBITDA .
Speaker #4: That growth was driven by incremental contributions from a full quarter of US gas utilities and organic growth within our gas transmission business . This keeps us on track to finish the year in the upper half of our EBITDA guidance , and we expect to land around the midpoint of our DCF per share metric .
Speaker #4: Our debt to EBITDA is 4.8 times for the quarter , and remains within our leverage range of four and a half to five times our assets remained highly utilized during the quarter , with the mainline transporting approximately 3.1 million barrels per day .
Speaker #4: A third quarter record . Thanks to strong demand . We reached positive settlements at both Enbridge Gas North Carolina and Enbridge Gas Utah , which we expect to drive growth as rates begin to take effect .
Speaker #4: We're still on track to sanction mainline optimization . Phase one this quarter , and phase two next year , and we'll get into more details on those projects during the business update .
Speaker #4: Over the quarter . We added $3 billion of new growth capital to our secured capital program , showcasing continued execution on the commitments we laid out last Enbridge day in liquids .
Speaker #4: We sanctioned the Southern Illinois Connector , adding incremental egress out of Western Canada and providing a new long term contracted service to Nederland , Texas .
Speaker #4: In gas transmission . We sanctioned expansions of our Eagan and Moss Bluff storage facilities to support the LNG buildout along the US Gulf Coast and in the deepwater Gulf .
Speaker #4: We're expanding our previously approved canyon system to provide transportation services for BP's recently sanctioned Tiber offshore Development . And earlier in the quarter , we sanctioned the Algonquin Gas Transmission Enhancement Project in the US northeast , as well as the Eiger Express Gas pipeline out of the Permian .
Speaker #4: And finally , we have advanced a joint venture with oxy to develop the Pelican CO2 hub in Louisiana . These projects demonstrate the competitive edge from our all of the above approach and our ability to meet growing energy demand across all parts of our business .
Speaker #4: Now let's look at our value proposition and recap our year to date execution before diving into this business updates . Enbridge's low risk model continues to deliver superior risk adjusted returns in all economic cycles .
Speaker #4: Our cash flows are diversified from over 200 high quality asset streams and businesses that are underpinned by regulated or take or pay frameworks .
Speaker #4: Over 95% of our customers have investment-grade credit ratings. We have negligible commodity price exposure, and the majority of our EBITDA has inflation protection.
Speaker #4: All of this results in Enbridge's industry leading total shareholder return . While maintaining lower volatility compared to peers and broad index constituents . Looking ahead , Enbridge's utility like business model remains well positioned and policy support for new investment in critical projects is improving .
Speaker #4: Creating a business environment that incents coordination , dialogue and growth . And I'm very pleased with how the team continues to grow the business and excited by the opportunities ahead for Enbridge .
Speaker #4: With that said , let's jump into the business unit update , starting with liquid segment mainline volumes had another strong quarter , delivering a record 3.1 million barrels per day on average for Q3 .
Speaker #4: This system was apportioned for the entire quarter , reflecting continued strong demand for Canadian crude and the need for reliable egress out of the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin .
Speaker #4: Given the continued strong demand for the mainline , this year , we expect to reach the top of the performance color ahead of when we initially anticipated .
Speaker #4: This is a great sign for us and our shippers . We're achieving the maximum allowable returns under the mainline tolling settlement , delivering competitive value to our shareholders and our alignment with customers incentivizes us to move the increased volumes and provide them with access to the best markets .
Speaker #4: This leads in well to mainline optimization projects that I'll discuss shortly . Here . In addition to the previously announced projects like Mainline Capital Investment in the US , we sanctioned the Southern Illinois Connector project , which is backed by long term contracts for full pass service from Western Canada to Nederland , Texas .
Speaker #4: Once complete , the new pathway will add 100,000 barrels per day of contracted full path capacity to the US Gulf Coast via 30,000 barrel increase per day on express Platte system , 56 miles of new pipeline between wood River and Patoka and utilization of 70,000 barrels per day of existing capacity on the spearhead pipeline .
Speaker #4: Looking ahead at additional egress projects , we are continuing to advance approximately 400,000 barrels per day of incremental capacity to the west , refining markets in North America via mainline optimization phase one and two ML one , which will add 150,000 barrels per day of incremental egress , is entering the final stages of customer approvals , and we are still on track to make FID this quarter and place the project into service in 2027 , Mlo2 has made significant progress as well , and that project could now add another 250,000 barrels per day of additional capacity in 2028 .
Speaker #4: This second phase of mainline optimization will utilize capacity on the Dakota Access Pipeline , and we're happy to announce that we're teaming up with Energy Transfer to make that happen .
Speaker #4: So stay tuned for more on ML two , including an open season announcement early in the new year . Relative to potential greenfield projects that would require significant energy policy change .
Speaker #4: These brownfield opportunities offer the quickest and most cost effective way to adding close to 500,000 barrels a day of capacity to satisfy the near-term production increases forecasted out of the basin .
Speaker #4: Finally , for liquids , we added the Pelican sequestration hub to our backlog . A project in Louisiana which will provide transportation and sequestration for 2.3 million tons per year of CO2 .
Speaker #4: And is underpinned by 25 year take or pay off take agreements . We will partner with Occidental Petroleum to advance the hub with Enbridge managing the pipeline infrastructure , while oxy develops the sequestration facility .
Speaker #4: Now let's turn to our gas transmission business this quarter , we've sanctioned an additional capital efficient connection to our Canyon pipeline system to support BP's Tiber development in the deepwater Gulf .
Speaker #4: Originally announced last October , the canyon system will transport both crude oil and natural gas under long term contracts with the Tiber system , expected to cost $300 million .
Speaker #4: US , taking the total Canyon pipeline development to about $1 billion . US and entering service in 2029 . In the US northeast , the AGT enhancement will increase capacity of the Algonquin pipeline , providing additional natural gas to the critically undersupplied US northeast , serving local utility demand and reducing winter price volatility that project is expected to cost $300 million .
Speaker #4: US and enter into service in 2029 . Switching over to the Permian , the Eiger Express pipeline is a two and a half BCF a day Permian egress development running adjacent to the operating Matterhorn express system , and is now sanctioned and expected to enter into service in 2028 .
Speaker #4: Since our initial 2024 investment in the Whistler Joint venture , which holds these pipelines , we have invested $2 billion in operating assets and sanctioned another billion dollars of capital expected to enter service through 2028 .
Speaker #4: Also in the Gulf region , we've sanctioned two natural gas storage expansions to support the market , which continues to tighten due to increased LNG .
Speaker #4: Mexican exports and regional power demand . Egan and Moss Bluff storage Systems , both salt caverns with exceptional connectivity and withdrawal rates , are being expanded to offer a combined 23 BCF of incremental capacity .
Speaker #4: We expect to invest approximately $500 million in these facilities at 5 to 6 times EBITDA builds and come into service in phases through 2033 .
Speaker #4: It's worth taking a moment to dive a little deeper into the growing North American storage market and how we are positioned to serve our customers .
Speaker #4: Between Moss Bluff and Egan , as well as the expansion of Aiken Creek announced last quarter , Enbridge is now set to add over 60 BCF of new natural gas storage directly adjacent to the major LNG centers in North America .
Speaker #4: These expansions will come in a timely manner as there is over 17 BCF per day of additional LNG related natural gas demand expected to enter service by 2030 .
Speaker #4: This demand dramatically shifts supply economics and increases the importance of strategically located storage capacity . We are connected to all operating US Gulf Coast LNG terminals and continue to invest heavily in infrastructure to enable the future growth of North American LNG .
Speaker #4: To date , we have sanctioned over $10 billion in projects with direct adjacency to operating or planned export facilities . There is a growing storage deficit across the US , Gulf and British Columbia coasts , and having existing assets with the opportunity to execute brownfield expansions is incredibly valuable to our customers and investors through acquisitions and expansions , we have positioned ourselves as an industry leader in the storage space with more than 600 BCF of storage across our North American businesses , we can strongly support our customers as they continue to build out North America's LNG capacity and navigate the overall power demand growth .
Speaker #4: We are expecting in the future . Now , let's spend a few minutes recapping all the work we've done in gas transmission segment since Enbridge day earlier this year at our Investor Day in March , we shared Enbridge's $23 billion gas transmission opportunity set , noting the potential to fit up to $5 billion in projects within 18 months .
Speaker #4: This opportunity set has grown since then , and today a little over six months later , we've already announced over $3 billion of new projects across our footprint , serving all pillars of natural gas demand growth , including reshoring LNG , coal to gas , switching and data centers .
Speaker #4: With over 23 Bcf a day of new gas demand coming online by 2030, critical investment will be needed to ensure reliable service for customers.
Speaker #4: And with this list here , you can see we are doing our part . Deploying capital to meet the significant increase in natural gas demand across North America .
Speaker #4: Regardless of the end-use market, now let's turn to our gas distribution business. The GDS segment is yet another way for us to capitalize on power demand.
Speaker #4: Theme . We've seen data center and PowerGen opportunities continue to be a tailwind for the segment , with over 50 opportunities that could serve up to five BCF a day of demand , including almost one BCF per day of demand for already secured projects during the quarter .
Speaker #4: We also reach positive rate settlements with two of our US utility regulators , which are currently being reviewed for final approval in North Carolina allowed return on equity , increased to 9.65% on an equity thickness of 54% , resulting in a revenue requirement increase of some US $34 million .
Speaker #4: The settlement also introduces additional rate riders that allows for quick cycle return of capital for our major projects in North Carolina . These rates came into effect on an interim basis on November 1st in Utah , we filed a settlement for a revenue requirement of $62 million US , which supports continued investment at attractive returns .
Speaker #4: We are expecting a rate order before the end of the year , with rates to come effect on January 1st , 2026 . Both these rate cases showcase the importance of natural gas as a safe , reliable source of affordable energy .
Speaker #4: Now we'll continue with the power demand theme with our renewables segment . As you can see from this slide , renewable projects have been a great place to invest in the last few years , driven by strong PPA prices , decreasing supply costs and the associated tax benefits .
Speaker #4: The four projects on this slide showcase over two gigawatts of power backed by agreements with some of the largest technology and data center players in the world , including Amazon and Meta .
Speaker #4: Fox , Squirrel and Orange Grove are currently operational . Sequoia solar will fully enter service in 2026 , and Clearfork will follow , entering service in 2027 .
Speaker #4: Looking ahead , we still have a number of projects in the queue that were advancing , but as always , we'll remain opportunistic and continue to stand by our strict investment criteria .
Speaker #4: With that , I'll now pass it to Pat to go over our financial performance . Thanks , Greg .
Speaker #5: And good morning everyone . It's been another strong quarter across all four business units thanks to continued high utilization of our assets , as well as recent acquisitions compared to the third quarter of 2024 .
Speaker #5: Adjusted EBITDA is up 66 million . DCF per share is relatively flat , and EPs is down from $0.55 to $0.46 per share .
Speaker #5: The decrease in EPs is primarily due to the profile change associated with our gas utilities , where Q3 tends to be a softer quarter for EPs as EBITDA is seasonally lower , but items such as interest and depreciation remain flat quarter over quarter in liquids , despite the strong mainline volumes , contributions from the Mid-con and US Gulf Coast segment are tracking lower due to tighter differentials and strong padd .
Speaker #5: Two refining demand in gas transmission . We experienced a strong third quarter with favorable contracting and rate case outcomes on our US gas transmission assets and contributions from the Venice extension and the Permian joint ventures , we added .
Speaker #5: Since last year , the gas distribution segment is up relative to last year , thanks to a full quarter contribution from Enbridge Gas North Carolina , as well as benefit of the quick turn capital .
Speaker #5: We experience within our Ohio utility in renewables . Results were up from last year with higher contributions from our wind assets and from the Orange Grove Solar facility recently placed into service .
Speaker #5: Higher financing and maintenance costs from the acquisition of the Enbridge gas North Carolina assets kept DCF per share relatively flat year over year .
Speaker #5: I'm pleased to once again reaffirm our 2025 guidance and growth outlook across all metrics . Our resilient business model positions us to deliver strong and predictable results for all cycles .
Speaker #5: We remain confident we will achieve full year EBITDA in the upper half of our guidance range of 19.4 billion to $20 billion . But don't expect to exceed the top of the band .
Speaker #5: As we mentioned on previous quarterly calls , due to higher interest rates , particularly in the US , we continue to expect DCF per share at the midpoint of our 5.5 to 590 per share guidance range .
Speaker #5: Mainline volumes FX rates and the acquisition of an interest in the Matterhorn Express pipeline . Earlier in the year . Continue to be the tailwinds for the full year guide .
Speaker #5: This is partially offset by higher interest rates , along with tight differentials and strong Tab two refining levels , which are expected to continue into the fourth quarter and thus have been reflected as an additional headwind relative to our assumptions heading into the year .
Speaker #5: Now , let's quickly discuss our capital allocation priorities . We remain firmly committed to a thoughtful , capital , disciplined process , remaining within our 9 to 10 billion per year annual growth .
Speaker #5: Investment capacity . As we pursue the wide suite of opportunities ahead , our highly contracted cash flows support a growing and ratable dividend within our 60 to 70 DCF payout target range , ensuring long term shareholder returns .
Speaker #5: We've grown our dividend for 30 consecutive years . A real testament to the stability of our business and the fundamentals that underpin it .
Speaker #5: On the leverage front , our consolidated net debt to adjusted EBITDA remains comfortably within our target range of four and a half to five times this quarter .
Speaker #5: We saw 3 billion of newly sanctioned capital advanced . As I mentioned in the past , I like the fact that we're generating opportunities in all of our businesses , supplementing the next few years with accretive projects , while also adding visibility into the back part of the decade .
Speaker #5: With opportunities like our gas storage expansions and our offshore gas transmission projects , which we've announced this quarter , our capital allocation focus will remain with brownfield , highly strategic and economic projects supported by underlying energy fundamentals , and am excited to see this opportunity set materialize into the future .
Speaker #5: With that , I'll pass it back to Greg to close the presentation .
Speaker #4: Thanks very much , Pat . It was indeed a busy quarter on the growth capital side , and I'm extremely pleased with the progress we've made since Enbridge day in March .
Speaker #4: The North American energy landscape continues to evolve with energy demand driven by LNG development power generation , data centers , and baseload growth .
Speaker #4: Enbridge will continue to play a pivotal role in that growth within a disciplined framework that delivers consistent long term shareholder value . Our low risk utility , like business with predictable cash flows is underpinned by long term agreements and regulatory mechanisms that has allowed us to increase our dividend for 30 consecutive years across a wide range of economic cycles and conditions .
Speaker #4: Going forward , we expect to achieve 5% growth through the end of the decade , supported by our $35 billion in secured capital .
Speaker #4: Our scale offers optionality that few in our industry possess , and we'll continue to evaluate accretive investments across our footprint . Lastly , I'll just point out one housekeeping item .
Speaker #4: As has been typical, we intend to issue our Q3 guidance for investors in early December. So please watch for that announcement on December 3rd.
Speaker #4: With that , I'll open the call to questions .
Speaker #6: Thank you . We will now begin the question and answer session . If you would like to ask a question , please press star one on your telephone keypad .
Speaker #6: If you would like to withdraw your question , simply press star one again . Your first question today comes from the line of Spiro Dunas from city .
Speaker #6: Your line is open .
Speaker #7: Thanks . Operator . Morning , team wanted to start with . Gas distribution and storage . The release mentioned seeing an acceleration there in commercial activity , and it sounds like demand from data centers and powder exceeding those initial expectations .
Speaker #7: So, just a multi-part question here. What's driving that acceleration? Is there a particular region where you're seeing it, and how are you thinking about the time frame for when these could start to materialize?
Speaker #8: Sure . So it's Michelle Harrington's here . And happy to discuss that . And I would say we're seeing it across the board .
Speaker #8: I mean that's a that's the real value of the the diversity of the utilities we have . So when we look at about the projects that make up that seven BCF or so of data center opportunities that we're talking about , we divide that aspect into what I'd call our base load demand , our data centers itself and the coal to gas .
Speaker #8: So it's a lot about it's a lot about power generation . It's the electrification tailwind that we've talked about . So you could bucket that .
Speaker #8: I would say the baseload demand is there in Ontario . It's there in Ohio . It's there in Utah . Data center growth a lots of early stage developments in Ohio and Utah and particular , I would say we're seeing up to eight gigawatts between the two of them .
Speaker #8: And that's that's some of the early stage developments we're seeing . And then the mid-stage stuff , we're estimated to be serving over six gigawatts in those two jurisdictions alone .
Speaker #8: And Ontario has a lot of growth as well . And then finally , coal to gas conversion again to support power generation would be in North Carolina .
Speaker #8: But really when we look across all the capital opportunities we have for GDS , that's maybe 20% of what we're looking at is the data center and power generation opportunity .
Speaker #8: I mean , just the good standard core utility growth , leveraging our modernization program . Still , lots of opportunity . There . We're seeing a lot of what I'd call major projects .
Speaker #8: We just put our prep , our Panhandle regional project into service . That's close to $360 million in Southwest Ontario . We have our Moriah Energy Center , the LNG plant in North Carolina .
Speaker #8: We have T-15 phase one and two in North Carolina . That's those two combined are $1.2 billion for us alone . We're doing a reinforcement project in up in Ottawa .
Speaker #8: That's another $200 million . I mean , there's a lot of growth and opportunity going on in the in the utilities . And then our residential growth , although it's softened in Ontario , continues to be strong in places like North Carolina and Utah , where there's a lot of folks coming .
Speaker #8: And finally , we're looking at our storage opportunities . And there's a good chunk of our capital that continues to go to storage for us .
Speaker #8: So a good suite of capital there , but hopefully that answers your question .
Speaker #4: Yeah . Good upside Spiro , from what we thought when we bought the assets two years ago , we didn't we didn't . A lot of the folks hadn't seen the data center stuff , particularly in places like Ohio .
Speaker #4: We knew Utah and North Carolina would grow nicely , but Ohio , the opportunity there that's happening on the industrial side and the power side and data center related is is really great .
Speaker #4: I think people are kind of forgetting the fact it's not just about power right across the board . Not only the secondary benefits .
Speaker #4: I industrial growth . Caterpillar's GIS , etc. having to build things and equipment . There's tertiary growth associated with DC and AI , which is really going to drive all these commodities , including oil .
Speaker #4: As you see , higher GDP , higher industrial growth . Who's building all this stuff ? They're using gasoline . They're using diesel .
Speaker #4: They're using oil . And so I see it right across the entire system here .
Speaker #7: Great . That's helpful . Color . Second question . Maybe just going to line five . You all recently received a favorable decision from the Army Corps .
Speaker #7: There . And it sounds like you expect state permits to be confirmed soon . So curious how you're thinking about starting construction on that segment .
Speaker #7: And how did the outstanding items in Michigan play into next steps here ?
Speaker #9: Okay , sure . Spirit . It's Colin here , so I'll try to abbreviate this answer sometimes . Five questions can get a little longer , but I would I would say that that the permitting on on both the Wisconsin reroute and the Michigan tunnel are , you know , regaining momentum .
Speaker #9: Obviously with , with with the white House and energy security and , and just getting things done . So I would I would say that we are we're in Wisconsin here .
Speaker #9: We're , we're awaiting the Ministry of Law judges findings on the hearing that we've recently completed should have that soon . And we'd like to complete the Wisconsin reroute in 2027 .
Speaker #9: And the tunnels are two years behind that .
Speaker #7: Great . I'll leave it for today . Thanks , everyone .
Speaker #10: Thanks , Daryl .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Aaron McNeil from TD Cowen . Your line is open .
Speaker #11: Hey . Morning , all . Thanks for taking my questions . It's great to see the new disclosure around mainline optimization . Phase two .
Speaker #11: Am I right to view this as an acceleration in terms of the cadence that you're planning to offer ? Expanded egress to Canadian producers , and if so , what's driving that ?
Speaker #11: Expedited timing . Is it customer demand ? Is it sort of a race to be first to market ? How should we think about it ?
Speaker #5: Well .
Speaker #4: Maybe I'll start with a little context because I think you're right . This is maybe not when some people expect it , although I'd say people have always underestimated what we can do with that super system .
Speaker #4: So remember, first of all, you got customers out there that are particular Canadian customers looking at from an oil sands perspective.
Speaker #4: You don't have the type of depletion issues that are going on in some of the shale plays . You've got a strong US dollar , which is critical driving net .
Speaker #4: So you got you got quite a different environment going on . Obviously in Canada and some other jurisdictions that that analysts may focus from that perspective .
Speaker #4: But really attitude of customers and what we can offer , what you want to talk about that super system element of it .
Speaker #10: Yeah , I .
Speaker #9: Think I don't know that it's an acceleration error per se . I think it's it's being game on here for a while here .
Speaker #9: And I think the K in basin , Greg was saying is , you know , it turns out relatively advantaged compared to , to other bases .
Speaker #9: So , you know , maybe you have lost focus on it . But our customers haven't . And we've been all over the fundamentals .
Speaker #9: We see that five or 600,000 a day of supply growth by the end of the decade , I think our announcements here line up with what we talked about at Enbridge .
Speaker #9: Dave , generally , I mean , the team is is working hard on this , and I'm very proud of them . The the engineering and commercialization of this very creative and trying to seize the moment .
Speaker #9: You know , and yeah , there's if there's bigger policy unlocks , there could be , you know , a much more upside to monetize the trillions of dollars of value up , up in northern Alberta .
Speaker #9: But And again , if there is an unlocked , much bigger , you know , then the West solution can come into focus kind of a companion to to that unlock .
Speaker #9: even under the base case , the 600,000 a day is is significant . We have I think it's just talked about our southbound playbook .
Speaker #9: But but in the base case South South is where it's at . Our customers prefer that direction . Integrated business models , lots of big , efficient , long lived refineries that are very competitive and of course , less competition .
Speaker #9: Now from Venezuela and Mexico . Inbound heavy . So Canadian oil will gain market share in that basin . I think our solution set is unchanged .
Speaker #9: We're proud to sanction Southern Illinois Connector . Maybe in baseball terms that's that's our lead off hitter . And it's now on base .
Speaker #9: We've sanctioned this . This is a dual flow path 30,000 of egress on Platt . And the other 70 coming down . Our spearhead pipeline .
Speaker #9: Existing capacity . And we're going to move that on with our which we partially own with our partner energy Transfer . Ml1 is at the plate right now .
Speaker #9: And we expect to make commercializing announcement here in the next couple of months before year end . Again , that's 150 a day .
Speaker #9: I think that's well chronicled . It's capital efficient , permit light using existing pipe and right of way and recall . We've already successfully run an open season on the plan against South Path and through Seaway with our partner energy with partner enterprise products .
Speaker #9: So that's that's well advanced . So Ml2 continue the analogy here , I'd say is in the batter's box . And as Pat Greg mentioned , it's got a bigger bat than it .
Speaker #9: We thought we had before . We upsized that from 150 to 250 a day . And again , similar to Ml1 existing pipe and right of way .
Speaker #9: And so again , using joint venture partners , this is all coming together nicely . Not acceleration . But I think continuing through here and we get the bases loaded .
Speaker #4: Yeah, I hope it’s obviously not lost on you, Aaron. But as Colin goes through that, you just tick off all those pipeline systems, and it’s not just about the mainline.
Speaker #4: You got express plat , you got you got DAP , of which we own all of our parts of , right , right through the whole system .
Speaker #4: So there's multiple ways for us to serve our customers and multiple ways for our investors to win . And that's that's a exciting part that I don't always feel gets fully valued in market .
Speaker #4: For sure .
Speaker #11: That's a ton of great context . Thank you for that . As a related follow up , you know , a significant portion of the $35 billion of secured capital comes into service in 2027 .
Speaker #11: As we think about all these liquids projects that you just outlined , you know , continued success in GTM , steady growth across the utilities .
Speaker #11: Do you see sort of a I guess , what I'll call a high plateau in terms of capital entering into service towards the end of the decade ?
Speaker #11: And do you see any timing or capital sequencing issues to maintain the spend between $9 billion and $10 billion?
Speaker #4: Maybe Pat will want to add to this , but I don't think so . I mean , we're constantly adding to the back end .
Speaker #4: You know , you look I think that's not unusual for companies like ourselves . You know , just go through stuff to call and went through .
Speaker #4: Right. You're talking about 27, 28, and then 29, 30. You'll see additional pieces as well. The gas deep Gulf stuff is all 29; the storage piece comes in some late 29, 30.
Speaker #4: So I think it'll stay up at that amount . That's what gives us the confidence on 5% growth . It's a bit of a flywheel that's going on right now , which is quite positive , but from a from a balance sheet perspective , I feel very good about that .
Speaker #4: 9 to 10 okay .
Speaker #5: Yeah , I think so . At the end of the day we've you know , we've got a pretty fulsome 26 . Now we've reserved some capacity for these ones and twos .
Speaker #5: I mean one will have some spend in 22 . Probably not as large as it's a little later , but we'll reserve capacity given how confident we now are in those moving forward .
Speaker #5: And then , as Greg said , we're really happy to continue to build out the back part of the decade and hopefully that's adding a lot of clarity into the growth that the enterprise can have .
Speaker #5: And I think it's pretty common in in our , you know , infrastructure business where you got , you know , you have secured some capital for the next couple of years .
Speaker #5: It's kind of close to or just below your kind of capacity . And then the outyears you're filling up . And I think the team's done a great job in the last six months of doing that .
Speaker #5: So we're very comfortable .
Speaker #11: Makes sense . Thanks , everyone . I'll turn it back .
Speaker #10: Over . .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet from J.P. Morgan . Your line is open .
Speaker #12: Hi . Good morning .
Speaker #4: Morning , Jeremy .
Speaker #12: Just wanted to kind of maybe follow up a little bit on the last line of questions . There with regards to to growth over time and having talked about this , this 5% EBITDA growth potential over the medium term post 26 , and I know you're not going to give us the December update today , but just wondering , any foreshadowing you might be able to provide us here or thoughts into how we should be thinking about how the update could unfold .
Speaker #4: Yeah . I'm not I'm not sure we are going to give you much of that right now because as you say , it's December .
Speaker #4: But look , I think you look , you've heard what we've been able to do in the gas side today with announcements . The liquid side .
Speaker #4: Michelle gave you a good tour to tab on that side as well . And despite what some people have looked at , we've even done a number of things on the renewable power side in the last year .
Speaker #4: So I think it's the benefit of the portfolio . And again , those secondary and tertiary benefits of everything from power demand from policy changes , from GDP growth that actually give us that confidence .
Speaker #4: And we see growth right across the system . So if your question is , do we see pullbacks in areas . No . In fact we see acceleration .
Speaker #4: You know, even the renewable stuff that we have, a lot of that stuff's a long way down the trail. And anything we do think would have already been in a good spot from a policy perspective.
Speaker #4: So and as as Pat , just mentioned , we've got the balance sheet capacity internally generated cash flow to be able to meet those demands .
Speaker #4: And obviously, every dollar of EBITDA we add adds another $4 or $5 of capacity. So we're very focused on that. So it's probably where I'd leave it today.
Speaker #4: I don't know . Pat , would you add anything further .
Speaker #5: Yeah . I mean I think our message , remember back six months ago at Enbridge days , was that the whole goal here was to add clarity into that back end of the decade growth rate .
Speaker #5: And I think it's fair to say that we're doing a substantial amount of projects that should help to clarify that . So , you know , we're confident in the growth rates that we've put forward , and we'll continue to add to this backlog .
Speaker #5: We know there's more to come . And really , every business , which is what I like the most about it , we've got a very diverse set of opportunities over what really turns out to be a 5 to 7 year timeline now .
Speaker #5: So yes, we're feeling good about the growth rates.
Speaker #12: Fair enough . Figure it's worth a try . Just want to dive in a little bit more into Western Canada and gas storage there with , you know , LNG Canada ramping up .
Speaker #12: Just wondering if you could provide maybe a little bit more color on the tone of customer conversations . There . You know , it seems like the market's going to need a lot more logistics .
Speaker #12: You're expanding gas storage capacity there . Just wondering if you could elaborate any more on how you see this unfolding . It seems like these would be fundamental tailwinds to to rates and economics overall .
Speaker #12: But just wondering what you guys are seeing.
Speaker #13: Yeah . Thanks , Jeremy . It's Cynthia Hanson . I would agree with you that we are having these tailwinds , particularly when it comes to storage .
Speaker #13: Of course , in the last quarter , we announced our expansion a significant expansion of our Aiken storage . We are the only storage in that BC area .
Speaker #13: So we currently have about 77 BCF of storage there . And we announced another 40 BCF . So that'll will start construction of that in the first part of next year .
Speaker #13: And that'll be in service in a couple of years . Following that , when we have the conversations , you know , it was when we announced that opportunity , we had 50% of that storage side up right away in a long term contract .
Speaker #13: So our customers understand that there is that opportunity and they're willing to back that kind of expansion as we continue to look at other opportunities , the current discussions about LNG Canada phase two , all of that creates an opportunity not just for our storage , but for the opportunities to expand our west Coast system .
Speaker #13: You know , we're we've announced earlier this year the Birch Grove , which is an expansion of T North that ties into that , too .
Speaker #13: So strong opportunities . But I would say that we'd like to continue to see that growth of those opportunities for LNG export that will need the support of the BC and the Canadian government as we go forward to make sure that we are positioning those projects to attract the capital , they need in the long term to support that opportunity .
Speaker #12: Got it . Very helpful . Thank you .
Speaker #10: Thanks , Jeremy .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Robert Catellier from CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Speaker #14: Hey , good morning everyone . I'd like to go back to the Downer Center and power generation opportunities . You know , obviously that's a hot part of the market right now .
Speaker #14: And I think your own gas distribution business is advancing more than 4 billion of related projects . Can you provide some detail on how you're managing cost risk , in particular in areas like that that are hot and where there's a lot of competition supply chain constraints and customer focus on time to market ?
Speaker #4: Yeah . obviously several areas there . And as they relate to the gas distribution side , obviously Prudency kicks in , but recall those are rate based , type driven setups , right .
Speaker #4: So you're getting on a capital structure or call it 10% return in the US on about 50% equity . So as long as we're being prudent , I'm not feeling too concerned about that .
Speaker #4: Now , that being said , given the size of the company , we are actively and we're out there doing that , making sure that we've got good alliance agreements with various contractors , giving us the best rates actually going forward .
Speaker #4: And even stockpiling , if you will , compressors and things like that . And remember , on the inflationary side , I'd say about 30% of most of these large projects would be CapEx related to equipment and things like that .
Speaker #4: So those relationships are really critical . And a lot of them obviously were avoiding tariff structures through contract mechanisms as well . So , so far , so good .
Speaker #4: The biggest concern I have is on the people side of things and just getting the time and equipment in place . So we're pretty good at that .
Speaker #4: I think we feel in terms of those long term relationships with contractors and stuff like that , but that's something definitely we we , we're watching closely .
Speaker #4: It's also why I love some of the projects that we announced today that are all relatively small . As Colin said , singles and doubles and quick cycle , relatively speaking .
Speaker #4: So that you don't have long drawn out processes . And then the last piece is , as you know , a better attitude with policy around permitting acceptance of these critical projects .
Speaker #4: And that takes a risk off the table from a CapEx perspective as well.
Speaker #14: Okay . That's very helpful . And then bit of a regulatory question here for Colin . And maybe we'll have to take this offline .
Speaker #14: But I'm curious about the mainline optimization to and the interplay with the code access pipeline , given there's still some lingering permitting issues there .
Speaker #14: So maybe Colin , you can walk us through whatever relevant regulatory updates on Dapl that relate to the mainline optimization to .
Speaker #10: Yeah, sure, Robert.
Speaker #9: And it's a good question . And one we've thought through . So we don't need a new presidential permit across the border . And and we're confident that , you know , the Dapl eyes will will come through in the spirit of energy .
Speaker #9: security and energy dominance . So we're confident in that in that that line of thinking , okay .
Speaker #14: Thanks very much .
Speaker #10: Thanks , Robert .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Rob Hope from Scotiabank . Your line is open .
Speaker #15: Good morning, everyone. You've mentioned a couple of times that the policy environment is getting better for energy infrastructure in Canada. How are you interfacing with the Canadian Major Projects Office?
Speaker #15: Enbridge has over $8 billion of projects in development in BC . You could do more on the liquid side there as well . You know , is there a way to get incremental support to further de-risk these projects ?
Speaker #10: Yeah. You know, at this point in time, we.
Speaker #4: Haven't put projects through the office . It's great that it's set up . Hopefully that'll be helpful for those national interests projects . But most of the things are all the things we're talking about are short cycle , relatively permit light .
Speaker #4: And so we haven't seen the need to go down that route . But that being said , we've had several conversations with them .
Speaker #4: Obviously, Don's well known in the industry and respected, and he has been very good to us. Don't hesitate if you need some help around permits, etc.
Speaker #4: and and working through the labyrinth of the Canadian government . So we won't hesitate . But to date and I don't see that actually on any of the projects that we have , as you know , we have several billion dollars of projects being done in BC .
Speaker #4: Things Collins talked about today , but a lot of them are relatively permanent light and even not giant CapEx as individual chunks . So I just don't see us using the major project office at this point in time .
Speaker #15: I appreciate that color . And then maybe just going back to the mainline , appreciate all the details on further expansions . Colin .
Speaker #15: But maybe to dive in a little deeper, and I know it's early days, but what would a [specific term or concept] look like and how much more incremental capacity do you think you can get out of the basin without?
Speaker #15: We'll call it a good amount of large diameter pipe.
Speaker #9: Hey , Robert , you're reading my mind . So we've got some some hitters warming up in the dugout . MLS three and four are stretching our engineers are looking at that as well because there is a scenario here right where Canada and the US do a bigger trade deal .
Speaker #9: And energy is part of it . And the imperative , you know , may may accelerate further . So we do have . You know , some again in in corridor .
Speaker #9: You know in fence line solutions for that . But it's premature for us to probably talk about those .
Speaker #15: All right . Appreciate that . And the baseball references . Thanks .
Speaker #9: I'll see you soon . Maybe .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Manav Gupta from UBS . Your line is open .
Speaker #16: Good morning . We are actually seeing a lot of resurgence in solar stocks in the US . And you actually have a very strong solar portfolio .
Speaker #16: But because you have everything else , which is also so good , sometimes it's underlooked . So can you talk a little bit about your renewables portfolio and solar in particular ?
Speaker #16: And more deals like Clearfork with Meta? If you could talk on those points, please?
Speaker #5: Sure . I'm it's Matthew here . Yeah .
Speaker #13: You're quite right. I mean.
Speaker #5: I think .
Speaker #13: Investment discipline .
Speaker #5: Is the order .
Speaker #13: Of the day and renewables.
Speaker #5: , given .
Speaker #13: Some of the crosscurrents .
Speaker #5: In the . policy landscape . But we .
Speaker #13: Have to .
Speaker #5: Keep our .
Speaker #13: Eye also on the opportunity here because the customer demand for this remains very , very strong . We are still in the window where .
Speaker #5: We've got .
Speaker #13: Interconnection ready projects .
Speaker #5: That are .
Speaker #13: In fantastic locations with strong local support and great resource . While the while the production tax credit window remains open . And so , you know , there's definitely a lot of interest from customers on the data center side around that .
Speaker #13: And particular on our solar portfolio . We've talked about project Cowboy out in Wyoming . We are building , you know , a lot of stuff , as you know , you mentioned Clearfork with meta in Ercot , but that Wyoming project has a tremendous amount of interest and , you know , is potentially a very big one .
Speaker #13: And is well advanced . And so , you know , again , we're going to be navigating carefully , but there should be win wins here because customers know that there's this window and and there aren't that many projects that can actually get in into their windows .
Speaker #13: And they need the electrons and they want it if possible , lower zero emissions . So I think we're really well positioned . But again , we'll be , you know , navigating this and with a very close eye on our our risk profile and making sure that we are consistent with our low risk business model across everything we do .
Speaker #16: Perfect . My quick follow up is your partner Energy Transfer , talked about the Southern Illinois Connector . Exactly the kind of crude that US refiners need .
Speaker #16: Can you also highlight some of the benefits of this project? And can you confirm if this is probably a 2028 startup? If you could talk a little bit about that.
Speaker #9: Yeah , yeah . Thanks , Manav . Yeah , I agree with your thesis . And what else can I tell you here .
Speaker #9: This is this is a new market off our mainline system to Nederland , Texas , and yeah , you can imagine we've got a map of all the refineries and we're we're trying to to feed all of them .
Speaker #9: We've got about 75% of us refineries connected to our mainline system . So this isn't a new market for us . Technically not .
Speaker #9: Not super complex . Using existing capacity on spearhead , just longer hauling that capacity . It used to go to Patoka area . Now that 100 of the 200 on spearhead will go down to Texas and we were expanding the Platte system .
Speaker #9: Pretty simple scope there . Pump refurbishment . So , so high , high confidence execution . And so you have the timeline should should work .
Speaker #16: Thank you so much .
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Sam Burwell from Jefferies . Your line is open .
Speaker #17: Hey good morning guys . Some of that's been touched on already , but just a quick one on Southern Illinois . And the full path .
Speaker #17: So I mean , the mainline optimization seem like they're on the right track and mainline volumes were three Q record , but downstream of that low volumes and and it seems like it's going to be a headwind in for Q as well .
Speaker #17: So just curious if you have a view on when that could improve . And then is there anything to read into the 100,000 barrels a day capacity on Southern Illinois ?
Speaker #17: Because I think the open season figure was higher than that , like 200 . So just curious , your thoughts on Full path volumes improving over time ?
Speaker #13: Sure .
Speaker #9: I can take that . So . I think it's a temporary anomaly here that that path on our on our liquid system . Selfish Chicago down to the Gulf is being pretty robustly used for for a long time been recently weaker .
Speaker #9: Still pretty good , but a little bit weaker as you saw in our disclosures . Pat talked about it . That is due .
Speaker #9: Still pretty good , but a little bit weaker it's or two . So so higher absorption of that high mainline throughput just a bit further north .
Speaker #9: And so double click on that . Why why is that ? A couple of reasons . One , product levels we're lower given given fuel demands .
Speaker #9: And so those refiners were running pretty hard . So higher higher utilizations to replenish those inventories . And secondly they had I would say higher than average .
Speaker #9: Just uptime . And so the combination of those two factors kept a lot of that mainline oil at home , so to speak , in the upper Padd two market , you know , I think Q4 should be maybe a little better than Pat suggested .
Speaker #9: We've seen some some early quarter improvements here . And then moreover , I think just longer term , we we've got a lot of confidence in that path .
Speaker #9: In fact , we just have successfully run two open seasons for that , for that path both been described to expand it . So I say it's a temporary effect .
Speaker #5: Oh , you .
Speaker #9: Also asked about the 200 versus 100 on . Yeah . Pardon me . So yeah we we're pretty happy with the 100 with our partner there .
Speaker #9: We actually had oversubscription for for the 100 . But we ended up settling it at at 100 . It's just the most efficient kind of sweet spot on that project for for economics overall .
Speaker #9: Yeah .
Speaker #17: Much appreciate it . Thank you .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Ben Pham from BMO Capital Markets . Your line is open .
Speaker #18: Hi . Good morning . I wanted to touch base first on the Woodside LNG project . Could you remind us going forward how the mechanism works on a contract , as you close on the on the in-service dates ?
Speaker #5: Yeah , I think you mean with .
Speaker #4: Fiber . Cynthia can take . that . , right ?
Speaker #18: You mean what fiber ? Sorry . Yeah .
Speaker #9: Yeah , yeah .
Speaker #13: Thank you . Yeah . So the way our contract works is that we will be setting that final call closer to the in-service date .
Speaker #13: So with our contract terms , we will get our return based on that total structure . That's finalized at that date . So we continued to benefit from the delay in that term as , as the cost increase .
Speaker #13: And that will allow us to actually have limited exposure to to some of these cost . Overruns that we're starting to see on that project now .
Speaker #13: We are really excited , though , that we're 50% complete overall on the construction , and we believe that there's a really strong path to getting us to the 2027 in-service date .
Speaker #4: Now .
Speaker #5: The other thing we'll .
Speaker #4: Have to see how it plays out . But the Canadian budget did have some accelerated bonus depreciation for LNG projects that have low emissions .
Speaker #4: And I think as we've talked about before , this will be amongst , if not the lowest emission LNG project globally , given how it's getting its power .
Speaker #4: So we'll watch for that , which should be helpful from a return perspective as well .
Speaker #18: Okay . Got it . And I have to chuckle at Woodside because because I have a follow up question on on that partnership .
Speaker #18: More specifically , I just just think about your investments in on the BC coast . And I'm curious , just with LNG additions ahead and some of the strategic partnerships you're seeing with Williams in particular , is there appetite for Enbridge ?
Speaker #18: You not something specifically like that , but but maybe just just the along beyond what you have right now .
Speaker #4: Yeah . You know Ben , we're not opportunity light . We are opportunity rich . So us taking on I can't see us taking on an LNG facility with commodity exposure , which is what some other folks that you mentioned have done .
Speaker #4: You know , we'll get done the Woodside opportunity here and then we'll we'll see . Obviously there's a lot of water still to go under the bridge about getting things built in off the BC coast .
Speaker #4: So let's continue with our wood fiber project . Sorry , I said Woodside . Now you got me saying it . The wood fiber project .
Speaker #4: Before we look at other ones and , you know , look , you saw us announce today those storage projects are serving LNG on the Gulf Coast .
Speaker #4: Aiken's going to serve LNG in BC . A lot of the projects that Cynthia mentioned , the pipeline project , that's the stuff we know and know very well .
Speaker #4: And earned solid , regulated rates of return on . I think in this environment , that's probably a better setup for us . So , you know , we'll always look , we get an opportunity to take a look at everything , but I don't think our investor proposition is open to taking on a bunch of commodity exposure .
Speaker #4: We don't want to .
Speaker #18: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Maurice Choy from RBC Capital Markets . Your line is open .
Speaker #19: Thank you and good morning , everyone . First question is about your crude oil production growth projections . I remember back in Enbridge day , you made a forecast that you may see more than a million barrels a day of growth through to 2035 .
Speaker #19: Assuming that projection was made based on the landscape at that point in time , how would you view this growth now , given what appears to be a supportive regulatory and political landscape in Canada ?
Speaker #9: Its Colin . Yeah , great . Great question . And you know , I think our I think both of those projections are I think internally consistent .
Speaker #9: And I think our view of that is is stable . There is an upside scenario here that if Canadian federal policy . You know , comes through on on this vision of a global energy superpower which we believe in strongly , we have a unique perch on that .
Speaker #9: I think there is upside . There's there's there's there's for sure upside in that scenario . But it's an if at this point it's an if at this point .
Speaker #9: So we've we've calibrated our business plan to the base case and our to a question a few minutes ago are , are generating further solutions .
Speaker #9: If the upside comes to be .
Speaker #5: You're going .
Speaker #4: To get a good insight on that . I think as well . Maurice . Right . Because if the policy conditions form in Canada that ensure that as a producing nation , it's actually competitive , the first the first sign of that is going to be our producers .
Speaker #4: And then being more optimistic about production . And then we'll be able to react as , as capital forms . So but at this point in time , we wouldn't change the million by 2035 .
Speaker #4: And the mlos and the and the Southern Illinois Connector and our mainline investment capital is all consistent with how we see that rolling out between now and the end of the decade .
Speaker #4: All other things being equal .
Speaker #19: That makes sense . If I could finish off with a question on the Pelican CO2 hub , oftentimes these types of projects are perceived to have a lower return than the 4 to 6 times bill .
Speaker #19: Multiple opportunities that you can deliver within liquids pipelines outside of the mainline. Recognizing that you do have internal competition for capital among your various businesses, I wonder if you could comment on the returns here, or just more broadly about lower carbon opportunities.
Speaker #19: How do they compete for capital internally ?
Speaker #4: Yeah , look , I think both ourselves and oxy are pretty darn careful on this front . If this project didn't earn at least the returns that we get from other liquids projects , as you say outside the mainline , it wouldn't have got sanctioned .
Speaker #4: So obviously I would even argue there's always some policy risks . So you want to make sure you get this right . So this is very much in that wheelhouse , if not a bit better .
Speaker #4: And obviously the tax incentive structures , we've got a lot more clarity on on that out of the you know , the triple B bill that came out so that we know exactly what our tax incentives are on that .
Speaker #4: And it's got a long term 2025 year contract with offtake players . So I would say returns are at least if not a little bit better than what we're seeing in this world .
Speaker #4: Policy support is there where it may not be for some of the other unconventional investments and and we love our partner on this front who has very similar return type parameters .
Speaker #19: That's great .
Speaker #9: I was just going to layer on that . You know , it's a very selective investment . We're going to take a crawl , walk , run approach to developing low carbon infrastructure .
Speaker #9: I think the pace of it generally is a lot slower than most observed few years ago . So we're going to take a very careful and disciplined approach here .
Speaker #9: As Greg mentioned .
Speaker #19: That's great to hear . My I guess , all the best to Cynthia . Your retirement and congrats to Matthew and your new role .
Speaker #13: Thank you .
Speaker #4: Thank you , thank .
Speaker #13: You .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Teresa Chen from Barclays . Your line is open .
Speaker #20: Good morning . Thank you for squeezing me in . I would also like to congratulate Cynthia on her retirement . Thank you for all your insights over the years , and I'd like to congratulate Matthew as well on his new role .
Speaker #20: Going back to the discussion around the mainline expansion . So when it comes to resourceful solutions for moving incremental barrels to the US Gulf Coast , leveraging your JV system with energy transfer is certainly a capital efficient approach .
Speaker #20: And as the downstream southbound capacity fills up over time , have you or would you also consider partnering with other pipelines such as pipeline , which also runs from the upper Mid-Continent to the Gulf Coast and currently has available capacity ?
Speaker #9: Yeah , Teresa , I think . Joint ventures are one of our big part of our images . Playbook . Cynthia's got a bunch , Matthew's got a bunch .
Speaker #9: We've got a bunch in our portfolio and we're we're proud to partner with basically everyone in the industry . And I think that's going to be a part of everybody's playbook going forward .
Speaker #9: We also partner with enterprise Products on Seaway . We've we've gone from , you know , zero barrels a day through that system to what's going to be , you know , not far from now , you know , a million barrels a day .
Speaker #9: So I think we've utilized joint ventures extensively . We've got a whole bunch of others across the system as well . So we're we're open to that .
Speaker #9: I think , you know , teamwork makes the dream work here . And , you know , an exciting environment .
Speaker #20: Got it . And looking at your medium term outlook , not asking you to front run the guidance update to come , but just looking at what's already out there .
Speaker #20: How do you plan to align DCF per share growth with EBITDA growth over time ? That 5% , given that DCF per share has recently trailed growth , what are the key drivers in bridging the two over time ?
Speaker #5: Yeah , it's Pat . Thanks for the question . Yeah I think we you know , have been pretty clear that the reason they kind of disconnected over the last couple of years was primarily related to cash taxes .
Speaker #5: And we see that plateauing . We've seen some pretty positive tax decisions made in the US . There's lots of conversations about things that could happen in Canada .
Speaker #5: But generally we just see that the cash taxes are returning to be more in line with not having the growth that that it had over the last number of years .
Speaker #5: So that's why those two primarily you move later into the decade .
Speaker #20: Thank you .
Speaker #4: Thanks , Teresa .
Speaker #6: Your next question comes from the line of Praneeth Satish from Wells Fargo . Your line is open .
Speaker #9: Thanks .
Speaker #21: Good morning . On the Eagan and Moss Bluff gas storage expansions . Can you break down how much of the the 23 BCF of capacity is already committed under long term contracts versus , you know , any shorter term contracts or merchant capacity ?
Speaker #21: And then , you know , given that you're moving forward with the expansion , I assume pricing is is favorable , much higher than historical levels .
Speaker #21: But can you provide some color on the contract durations ? Is it kind of in the the typical 3 to 5 year range , or are you able to get something longer in this environment ?
Speaker #21: And then I guess as a follow up to that , like how do you think about the trade off between locking in longer storage term contracts versus keeping them shorter so that you could potentially benefit from higher recontracting rates in the future ?
Speaker #13: Thanks , Praneeth . It's I would say that where we are right now , we have the the first cavern that we're developing .
Speaker #13: There is about 50% contracted and we'll over a period of time like into that . We're managing these assets . You know , there exists an existing portfolio .
Speaker #13: So we're going to manage those contract terms consistently with how we've operated those assets . When we look at the overall contract terms , it is a speed from , you know , that 2 to 5 year kind of average overall .
Speaker #13: We always look for those longer terms as to be part of that portfolio . But as you noted , you know , just with the the opportunities right now as we continue to see the demand for storage increase , and we've seen some strong pricing associated with that , that's really supporting this ongoing development that we're doing or want to try and manage the portfolio to really optimize that structure as we go forward .
Speaker #4: Yeah .
Speaker #5: And that .
Speaker #4: That 3 to 5 years , 2 to 5 .
Speaker #13: Years .
Speaker #4: Pretty typical the way that we've done it historically. And look, I think we've got a super high level of confidence in the LNG coming in on the Gulf Coast.
Speaker #4: So that probably lets us , you know , leg into the contracts and we want to , but it depends on the location .
Speaker #4: Right. Like, for example, the Aiken Creek contract, I think we took about half of that and have it under a ten-year contract.
Speaker #4: So it just depends on the situation . And it's worked extraordinarily well . I'm glad you raised the storage question because , you know , we've got 600 or so .
Speaker #4: So, if across North America, all with great optionality outside the regulated piece. But you know, we're adding just the announcements in the last 12 months, 10% to that number.
Speaker #4: So it's a it's a big uptick for us at the right time in the market and feel very good . As Cynthia says , the way we'll leg into this .
Speaker #21: Thank you . And then I'm sure you saw . But Plains recently announced the acquisition of the remaining interest in in the epic crude pipeline .
Speaker #21: They've talked about potentially expanding the pipeline , may or may not do it , but if they do , seems like it could be a positive for your Ingleside assets .
Speaker #21: So just curious , you know , if you have any thoughts on on that deal or just the overall landscape now at Corpus and the puts and takes for your Ingleside and Gray Oak assets ?
Speaker #9: Yeah , yeah , it's calling here . Yeah . And we've , we've observed that obviously . And we're partners with with Plains on Cactus two already .
Speaker #9: I'm sure there's more work we can we can do together you know , to to the spirit of the question , a couple of minutes ago on teaming up our franchise is remains a work in progress .
Speaker #9: But it's but it's still a really , you know , a good one . Ingleside is the number one export terminal on the continent .
Speaker #9: It's poised to grow , you know , all the advantages it has . Gray oaks , great . So we're pretty confident with our our system there .
Speaker #9: And hopefully we can do even more with with plans going forward .
Speaker #21: Thank you . Appreciate it .
Speaker #4: Thanks .
Speaker #6: And that concludes our question and answer session . I will now turn the call back over to Rebecca Morley for closing remarks .
Speaker #3: Great . Thank you . And we appreciate your ongoing interest in Enbridge . As always , our Investor relations team is available following the call for any additional questions that you may have .
Speaker #3: Once again , thank you so much and have a great day .