Q3 2025 Novocure Ltd Earnings Call

Speaker #2: Good day and thank you for standing by . Welcome to the Novocure . Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Call . At this time , all participants are in a listen only mode .

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Speaker #2: Please be advised today's conference is being recorded . I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today , Ingrid Goldberg Goldberg , please go ahead .

Speaker #3: Good morning and thank you for joining us to review Novocure third Quarter 2025 performance . I'm on the phone this morning with our Executive chairman , Bill Doyle , CEO , Ashley Cordova , and CFO , Christoph Brackmann .

Speaker #3: Other members of our executive leadership team will be available for Q&A . For your reference slides accompanying this earnings release can be found on our website .

Speaker #3: On the Investor Relations page under Quarterly Reports . Before we start , I would like to remind you that our discussion during this conference call will include forward looking statements and actual results could differ materially from those projected in these statements .

Speaker #3: These statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control and are described from time to time in our SEC filings.

Speaker #3: We do not intend to update publicly any forward looking statements except as required by law . Where appropriate , we will refer to non-GAAP financial measures to evaluate our business , specifically adjusted EBITDA , a measure of earnings before interest , taxes , depreciation , amortization and share based compensation .

Speaker #3: We believe adjusted EBITDA is an important metric as it removes the impact of earnings attributable to our capital structure , tax rate and non-material non-cash items and best reflects the financial value generated by our business .

Speaker #3: Reconciliations of non-GAAP and GAAP financial measures are included in our press release, earnings slides, and in our Form 10-Q filed with the SEC today. These materials can also be accessed from the Investor Relations page of our website.

Speaker #3: Following our prepared remarks today , we will open the line for your questions . I will now turn the call over to our Executive Chairman , Bill Doyle .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Ingrid , and good morning . At Novocure , our mission is to extend survival in some of the most aggressive forms of cancer through our early years , our efforts focus mostly on the treatment of patients with glioblastoma .

Speaker #4: Now , with one launch ongoing and two additional launches planned for next year , the scope of our mission has expanded to reach more patients who can benefit from tumor treating fields in multiple solid tumor cancers .

Speaker #4: As we evolve from a single indication company to a true platform therapy company , we are focused on three priorities . First , preparing to treat for cancer indications by year end 2026 .

Speaker #4: Second , reaching profitability , reaching profitability , and third , making disciplined investments that strengthen our product portfolio in the

Speaker #4: near and the long term . We will begin this morning with a review of our Q3 commercial results in glioblastoma and non-small cell lung cancer filed with .

Speaker #4: We will discuss regulatory updates and preparation for anticipated launches in pancreatic cancer and brain metastases . And we will provide updates to our ongoing clinical and product development programs .

Speaker #4: We will conclude with a review of our quarterly financials and open the line for questions . Our GBM business remains solid and active .

Speaker #4: Patients have grown between 5% and 12% year over year for the last nine consecutive quarters. We ended the third quarter with 4,277 GBM patients on therapy.

Speaker #4: Our largest patient count to date , the largest contributors to active patient growth in this quarter were France , Japan and Germany , which grew 27% , 8% and 7% , respectively .

Speaker #4: We also expanded our international footprint last month . We received a positive national coverage decision from the Spanish Ministry of Health and Maturity .

Speaker #4: We expect Spain to deliver annual net revenue that is approximately half that of France . We expect full ramp up to take a few years , given the fragmented nature of the Spanish healthcare system in the US , our GBM active patient count was flat compared to Q3 2024 .

Speaker #4: While we are proud to be treating approximately 40% of GBM patients in the US , we recognize that many more patients could benefit from TT field therapy .

Speaker #4: Unlike lung cancer and pancreatic cancer , where most patients seek treatment in community centers , virtually all GBM patients undergo brain surgery at high volume academic centers after diagnosis .

Speaker #4: Oncologists at academic centers often prioritize enrollment in pharmaceutical , clinical trials over new medical device based therapies . This dynamic limits the number of patients offered optune , geo and academic centers .

Speaker #4: Despite the established clinical benefits of ttfields therapy , our commercial team continues to refine its approach . Within this complex environment . And we remain committed to ensuring that all eligible GBM patients are offered optune geo therapy .

Speaker #4: Turning to non-small cell lung cancer , we've acknowledged that our launch is behind expectations and in Q3 , we did not see a continuation of the linear growth we've seen in the prior two quarters .

Speaker #4: While we anticipated lung cancer would be our most challenging indication to launch , it has been harder than we expected . We finished Q3 with 100 lung cancer patients on therapy .

Speaker #4: 94 in the U.S. and 6 in Germany. What makes advanced lung cancer particularly challenging is the poor overall health status of these patients.

Speaker #4: The high level of competition from new targeted drug therapies and the limited median duration of therapy four months versus the ten months for newly diagnosed GBM .

Speaker #4: We experienced similar launch challenges in 2011 with our initial launch in recurrent GBM . When we introduced our device based therapy to the neuro oncology community in an cancer setting .

Speaker #4: With GBM , we learned that consistent education and follow on data generation drives prescriber and patient adoption . Over time . We are anticipating a similar path in lung to delve deeper .

Speaker #4: Lung cancer is a highly competitive space . The survival benefit demonstrated in the lunar Phase three trial remains among the best reported in the post-platinum setting .

Speaker #4: But the number of systemic drug therapies available across settings makes the transition to a novel device based modality like Optune , Lua seem like a heavier lift for both physicians and patients .

Speaker #4: Our sales team is tackling this by highlighting specific patient profiles to help physicians better understand where Optune Lua is likely to provide the best benefit .

Speaker #4: Our primary focus is on patients who have had a durable response to a checkpoint inhibitor , plus a platinum doublet , and have slow progression with a maintenance checkpoint inhibitor .

Speaker #4: There is also the challenge of introducing a device based therapy to a medical oncology community that has limited device experience . As mentioned , we face a similar hurdle when we introduced Optune Gia to recurrent GBM and we know it takes time and hands on experience for physicians to gain comfort with a device based therapy .

Speaker #4: Simply put , a wearable devices novel in the oncology space , and as such , we are connecting experienced opportune , Jia and Lua users who can share expertise and tips based upon real world use with physicians .

Speaker #4: New to the therapy to simplify the integration of Optune Lua into their practices . Looking to the near-term future and important upcoming milestone for Optune , Lua is our Japan launch .

Speaker #4: Last month , we received approval from Japanese regulators for the use of Optune , Lua and checkpoint inhibitors in advanced or recurrent non-small cell lung cancer .

Speaker #4: Japan has been a consistently strong region for novocure , and we are planning for strong physician adoption of Optune Lua . We believe a high prevalence of lung cancer .

Speaker #4: Japanese physicians appreciation for device based therapies and a local standard of care , which frequently utilizes immune checkpoint inhibitors . In the first and second lines , provides the conditions for a successful launch in Japan .

Speaker #4: We will be closely monitoring the dynamics of our Japan launch to inform future strategies. Longer term, we are working on two core programs to reach more non-small cell lung cancer patients.

Speaker #4: Lunar two and product Development . Lunar two is our phase three trial studying the use of Optune Lua plus checkpoint inhibitors and platinum based chemo as a first line treatment for newly diagnosed non-small cell lung cancer .

Speaker #4: Assuming success , lunar two will allow us to treat first line lung cancer patients with optune , Lua and a checkpoint inhibitor . The drug device combination , demonstrating the best efficacy across indications .

Speaker #4: Our product development efforts are focused on making the Optune device easier for patients to use through near-term improvements in support services , software and array design , and longer term efforts to design a transformative next generation device .

Speaker #4: It is critical to underline , we believe our efforts in lung are worth it . The investments we are making for the lung cancer indication also paved the way for our anticipated launches in pancreatic cancer and brain metastases in the next 12 months .

Speaker #4: In summary , our core GBM business continues to grow , reaching more patients in more regions . Our lung cancer launch has been more difficult than anticipated , and we are learning and adapting our tactics .

Speaker #4: We have two additional launches in cancer indications with extremely high unmet needs anticipated in 2026 , where minimal therapeutic options are currently available , and that we can access with limited incremental investment as our lung cancer and GBM infrastructures will be leveraged .

Speaker #4: We are confident in our strategic direction . The strength of the clinical data , supporting the use of ttfields therapy and our plans to achieve profitability .

Speaker #4: With that , I'll turn to Ashley to provide an update on our regulatory and clinical progress .

Speaker #5: Thank you . Bill . Earlier this year , we had an exciting presence at the Asco Annual meeting where data from Nova three were presented during the Saturday evening plenary with concurrent publication in the Journal of Clinical Oncology in July .

Speaker #5: The Nova three results earned a second podium presentation at Ismo GI , where the quality of life data was described in greater detail .

Speaker #5: Nova three demonstrated tumor treating fields ability to extend survival and preserve quality of life in pancreatic cancer . Yet another aggressive , solid tumor where tumor treating fields has shown a benefit .

Speaker #5: In August , we submitted our Nova three data in a PMA package to the FDA for the treatment of unresectable locally advanced pancreatic cancer .

Speaker #5: The filing was accepted and we are currently in the substantive review phase with our FDA 100 day meeting scheduled for mid-December . The review is proceeding as anticipated and in line with our previous experience .

Speaker #5: We expect FDA approval mid next year . In September . We also initiated the Nova three filing process with European regulators and are currently preparing our filing in Japan .

Speaker #5: The Pancreatic cancer treatment landscape is similar to GBM , where effective therapeutic options are extremely limited . Feedback from leading pancreatic cancer physicians and advocacy groups on the Q3 data has been consistently positive , and we look forward to the opportunity to treat pancreatic cancer patients as soon as possible .

Speaker #5: Moving to brain metastases . We presented the final data from our phase three . Trial in the plenary session at the 2025 Astro Annual Meeting in September , and these data were concurrently published in the Red Journal .

Speaker #5: The leading publication of the Radiation oncology community . Astro is an important conference for Novocure , as it hosts the largest gathering of radiation oncologists annually , a group of physicians that historically have best appreciated the benefits of tumor treating fields , therapy .

Speaker #5: This year , the meetings presentation was one of only five plenary selections out of 2500 submitted abstracts underlying the community's interest in our metastatic .

Speaker #5: There is palpable excitement among radiation oncologists in the potential of Tumor Treating Fields to better control brain metastases, given their experience using Optune to treat GBM.

Speaker #5: The first two modules of the brain Metastases PMA have been submitted to the FDA . We received questions from the FDA regarding our second module , and we are working to close these questions out swiftly .

Speaker #5: We are prepared to file the third and final clinical module as soon as those questions are resolved. Our timeline for the full PMA submission is unchanged, and we continue to expect to complete the filing by year-end 2025.

Speaker #5: Like the pancreatic cancer filing , we expect a 9 to 12 month review once the clinical module is accepted by the FDA . With the final decision anticipated in the second half of 2026 .

Speaker #5: As Bill discussed , the investments in our lung launch have established the infrastructure needed to launch both the pancreatic cancer and brain metastases indications upon regulatory approval .

Speaker #5: We expect to launch these two new indications by leveraging our existing sales forces. The team detailing GBM will detail brain metastases, and the lung sales force will detail our pancreatic cancer indications.

Speaker #5: We also see significant opportunities to leverage our medical education efforts, creating synergies across tumor types that accelerate awareness and deepen engagement within the medical oncology community.

Speaker #5: We expect our existing infrastructure to provide a strong foundation for these new indication launches without the need for substantial additional investment . Turning to product development and enduring reality of virtually all cancer therapies is a trade off between extending survival and the burdens and side effects of receiving cancer care .

Speaker #5: An overarching goal of our product engineering efforts is to minimize any potential burden of the optune users experience , either through improved devices or complementary offerings .

Speaker #5: We are pursuing projects to improve the therapy experience for cancer patients and physicians across all indications, and expect to improve the Optune experience.

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Speaker #5: All right . I am going to pick up at the product development conversation . Okay . Welcome back everyone . Turning to product development and enduring reality of virtually all cancer therapies is a trade off between extending survival and the burdens and side effects of receiving cancer care .

Speaker #5: An overarching goal of our product engineering efforts is to minimize any potential burden of the optune users experience , either through improved devices or complementary offerings .

Speaker #5: We are pursuing projects to improve the therapy experience for cancer patients and physicians across all indications , and expect to improve the optune experience in both the near and longer term .

Speaker #5: Earlier this year , we launched a new patient app in the US , which provides patients and caregivers a central location to track their optune geo usage , reorder new supplies , excess FAQs , and contact Novocure .

Speaker #5: Over 78% of US GBM patients are users of the new app , and we are now preparing to launch in our international markets on the physician front , we launched a new portal for GBM prescribers .

Speaker #5: This year , which streamlines the prescription administration and ongoing care processes . Over 60% of our target sites are active on the portal and physicians and their care teams tell us that they are pleased with the simplified administrative processes .

Speaker #5: We also recently submitted our updated max point GBM treatment planning software for use with the HFA arrays to the FDA and expect approval in upcoming months .

Speaker #5: As a reminder , the max point algorithm uses patient MRI scans and physician inputs to create individualized optimized array placement maps as a function of the electrical properties of a patient's brain tissues .

Speaker #5: Max point received a category three CPT code in July , and we plan to launch it as a product enhancement subsequent to FDA approval on the array front , we have rolled out our HDF arrays in all material markets and expect to fully complete the global rollout by year end .

Speaker #5: We are also in the process of bringing many of the HDF array design elements and materials components into our next generation torso array , which we expect to submit to the FDA for approval next year .

Speaker #5: As a med tech company , we have the unique opportunity to increase adoption and advanced patient outcomes through both product and clinical development .

Speaker #5: Of note , we have two clinical readouts expected in the first half of next year . The phase two Anova for trial in metastatic pancreatic cancer should report out in late Q1 of next year , and the phase three .

Speaker #5: Trident results in GBM will follow in Q2. Panova will add to the existing pool of data exploring tumor treating fields, plus an immunotherapy-chemo combination regimen.

Speaker #5: But for the first time in metastatic pancreatic cancer , which continues to be a devastating diagnosis for patients and their families , Trident studies the benefit of starting tumor treating fields concurrently with chemo , radiation and newly diagnosed GBM , rather than waiting until after a patient's chemo , radiation cycle ends .

Speaker #5: The goal of Trident is to prove tumor treating fields ability to enhance the cancer cell DNA damage . Mechanisms of radiation . If successful , Trident could enable radiation oncologists to prescribe tumor treating fields earlier in a GBM , patients therapy journey than is standard of care .

Speaker #5: Today , something we know to be important . Data from these trials will further elucidate how tumor treating fields can best be harnessed to improve the lives of patients diagnosed with these deadly cancers .

Speaker #5: And we are excited to share these results with you early next year. As we look ahead to 2026, we are on the verge of becoming a true platform therapy company, with four indications expected in the market by year-end 2026.

Speaker #5: Our teams are excited about the opportunity to treat many more patients in need and continue our pursuit of profitability in the year to follow .

Speaker #5: I'll now turn the call over to Christoph to review our Q3 financial performance .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Ashley , we continued our positive momentum this quarter with net revenues of $167 million , an increase of 8% from .

Speaker #7: The third quarter last year . This was primarily driven by year over year active patient growth of 5% in our GBM franchise , notably by strong performance in France , Germany and Japan .

Speaker #7: We also had a foreign exchange rate tailwind this quarter of $3.3 million , compared to the same period in 2024 . We collected $3.1 million from Optune , Lua claims in the quarter , including $1.6 million from non-small cell lung cancer collections in the period .

Speaker #7: As a reminder , reported revenues from non-small cell lung cancer reflect cash collections from approvals and positive outcomes from appeals in the quarter .

Speaker #7: Gross margin for the third quarter was 73% . The reduction in margin is reflective of the global rollout of HIF arrays . The ongoing launch in non-small cell lung cancer , where we are treating patients prior to establishing reimbursement and increased tariffs in the quarter .

Speaker #7: We also recognized a $2.9 million expense related to an inventory obsolescence provision for Optune Lua arrays moving to operating expenses . Our research and development costs in the quarter were $54 million , an increase of 4% from the same period last year .

Speaker #7: We do not expect R&D expenses to increase materially this year as we ramp down spend on Nova three and medicine and relocate those funds to keynote D58 and Luna two sales and marketing in the quarter were $59 million , a decrease of 2% from Q2 of last year .

Speaker #7: This decrease was driven by lower share based compensation expenses , as disclosed in prior quarters . We expect to leverage our current sales force to launch our pancreatic cancer in brain metastases offerings in 2026 , pending FDA approval .

Speaker #7: G&A expenses for the quarter were $46 million , an increase of 15% from Q3 of 2024 . This increase was primarily driven by higher share based compensation expenses and higher personnel , and professional service expenses .

Speaker #7: To support the greater company build out , particularly in enterprise technology . As we invest in our digital infrastructure to enable scale net loss for the quarter was $37 million with a loss per share of $0.33 .

Speaker #7: Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was -$3 million , while still negative for now , adjusted EBITDA is currently ahead of our internal plans for the year , driven both by solid revenues from our GBM franchise as well as constant prioritization of investments .

Speaker #7: We are committed to breaking even sustainably on an adjusted EBITDA basis in 2027 , with the revenue contribution from new indications , our cash and investment balance at the end of Q3 was $1,000,000,034 million .

Speaker #7: As a reminder , we have a $561 million in convertible notes that will come due in the coming days , which we will retire with cash from the balance sheet .

Speaker #7: We also closed on the second 100 million tranche of our credit facility this quarter , with the cash and short term investments currently on the balance sheet and funds available through our credit facility , coupled with ongoing expense management , we continue to believe that we have the capital necessary to bridge to our next revenue streams in New indications at Novocure , we are on the cusp of expanding the reach of tumor treating fields to patients in multiple solid tumor cancers .

Speaker #7: The discerning investments we are making today establish an infrastructure capable of treating patients in multiple indications . We look forward to the future .

Speaker #7: Treating more commercial patients in established and new geographies . Two important data releases in the first half of 2026 and pending approvals in additional indications with high unmet need and importantly , we are confident in our ability to achieve profitability .

Speaker #7: We will now open the lines for questions .

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Speaker #2: Our first question comes from Jason Bednar with Piper Stanley . Your line is open .

Speaker #8: Hey , good morning . Thanks for taking the questions . I wanted to start first here on lung . A few few questions here .

Speaker #8: I'm just going to pack in the launch in Germany and Japan . I know super early days , but any comparisons you can make relative to the launch trajectory you have here in the US ?

Speaker #8: As we think about how those markets could scale relative to how the US is performed , anything that you can take with the slower ramp and adjust the go to market strategy outside the US .

Speaker #8: And then I'm wondering if there are other factors outside of just physician education that might be helpful here in the US , such as secure and reimbursement or and or inclusion inclusion in NCCN guidelines .

Speaker #8: Can you help with where you stand on those fronts ?

Speaker #5: Great , Jason , this is Ashley . I'll start and talk a little about about the global footprint . And then I'll ask Frank to jump in with the specifics .

Speaker #5: In the US , I think really in Germany , what I would say is it's still very early days . We're just now entering into the beginning of our third quarter there , and the summer periods in Europe are a thing .

Speaker #5: So as we look ahead , I would say there is no new news coming out of Germany that that we've seen that kind of differs from the dynamics we've seen in the US , both in the opportunities to continue to drive growth and in some of the challenges that that may come in this education .

Speaker #5: But I would not , you know , point to anything specific in those early numbers and say it's early days and our teams are there executing and building those relationships .

Speaker #5: When we look ahead to Japan , we do think that this is a very different market for Optune Lua . We have received approval for Optune in Japan , but we have not yet received national reimbursement .

Speaker #5: That means our field teams are able to begin the physician education process , but the real launch dynamics will come to bear when we do have physician reimbursement , which we anticipate in upcoming quarters .

Speaker #5: But it is a market believe will be different for us and an easier market to launch in for a couple of factors . That Bill mentioned on the script .

Speaker #5: The first of which is that there is just a much higher prevalence of lung cancer in Japan , the second of which is the Japanese physicians are more comfortable using device based therapies .

Speaker #5: I would say across the board , the third of which is that we have a local standard of care , which is extremely comfortable using Eisai across all settings , both first and second line and on the top line growth format , because we have a single national payer , once we get reimbursement , we're able to see that active patient growth translate to bottom to top line and bottom line growth quite we quickly .

Speaker #5: So we are preparing for that launch . And again , we're quite hopeful that it will be materially different than the trajectory we've seen in the US and Germany .

Speaker #9: Yeah . Hi . Hi , Jason . This is Frank . Thank you for the question . To pivot back to the US and talk about learnings and tactics .

Speaker #9: I think one thing we would acknowledge is in the launch , we initially pursued large volume academic practices where you do see , you know , large populations of stage four non-small cell lung cancer being treated because obviously you're trying to go after , you know , the patient volumes that you can capture and the challenge that we found in that setting is that , number one , there's not comfortable with devices as a starting point .

Speaker #9: And so you're introducing a new workflow , a new modality into the practice . What we have found more effective as we pivot is in those larger volume practices .

Speaker #9: You can find the doctor who perhaps is seeing stage three , but occasionally is consulted on stage four and is hyper interested in tumor treating fields .

Speaker #9: And so we do have an example . At one large academic practice where , you know , starting with somebody who is seeing 1 or 2 patients a month , they're now consistently prescribing 3 or 4 patients a month because they're pulling them in from the practice .

Speaker #9: And so , you know , we're trying to lean into that tactic right now of not necessarily finding the doctor with the highest volume , but finding the highest interest .

Speaker #9: And their willingness to be an advocate within their practice to pull it in . So thank you . And , you know , happy to provide more color .

Speaker #8: Period . Maybe just as a quick follow up , anything on commercial reimbursement to get updated on and anything on NCCN guidelines that we should be monitoring .

Speaker #8: And then as a follow up and its pivoting hard , but in Spain , I know you referenced that as a market that has a different structure to it .

Speaker #8: It's going to take maybe a little bit longer than France to ramp up; I think probably maybe a bit more normal or comparable to Japan back in the day.

Speaker #8: But I guess with the the trajectory of that adoption , is that something we should expect to be linear or is it more back end loaded ?

Speaker #8: How to think about that ? That ramp up when it starts happening ?

Speaker #5: Yeah . So Jason , this is Ashley on the NCCN guidelines . Just as a reminder we submitted at the end of last year .

Speaker #5: We know that the package and the application was reviewed in early July . And we would expect the updated guidelines to be published in the upcoming months .

Speaker #5: We really don't have any more insight on on the progress there . Beyond that , I will note that in the commercial setting , which is where we're now able to submit for reimbursement and approval , we are seeing honestly approval rates above our internal expectations .

Speaker #5: So this is going well in lung . The payers are responding to the strength of the data . We would expect that to continue to be the case in all scenarios .

Speaker #5: I think the real unlock on the reimbursement side for lung will be Medicare , of which NCCN guidelines is a key input , but it's not the end of that journey .

Speaker #5: So I think commercial reimbursement going well , Medicare a much longer journey , which we've started and which NCC guidelines will support in Spain , I think it is a good reference to the Japan , the Japan rollout of Optune Geo .

Speaker #5: Seven years ago , because we do have to contract hospital by hospital , despite the national reimbursement . So it really is , I would say in a administrative processing phase , you know , time will tell .

Speaker #5: What we've said is that we think it won't flip on overnight, but it will ramp up over the course of a couple of years.

Speaker #5: And I think it will be a continuing driver of top line growth for us both in the inpatient numbers and in revenues over the next two years .

Speaker #8: Okay . Thank you .

Speaker #2: One moment for our next question . Our next question comes from Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI . Your line is open .

Speaker #10: Hi . This is Kevin On for Vijay . I have a few more questions on long . You've talked about the launch being behind expectations .

Speaker #10: Are you able to share what your initial expectations or targets were for lung ? And second , on lunar for ? Would you say this termination is at all connected to your latest views on the cancer market ?

Speaker #10: Broadly and lastly , if you can share the year to date spend on that program before it was terminated , thank you .

Speaker #5: Yeah , Kevin , this is Ashley . Thanks for the question . Unfortunately , the answer to all of those is I would say no .

Speaker #5: Meaning we're not able to share that sublevel of detail . And we're not sharing the internal launch expectations . What I will say though , what we can say is that we always knew that this would be a slower ramp than it would be if we were a little white pill .

Speaker #5: We know that across our device , linear growth was what we anchored people to . And now what we're saying is we knew it would be hard .

Speaker #5: It's it's somewhat harder than we would expect , than we expected . But we we do continue to look ahead to growth . And again , I would point both to on trajectory in the US and Germany and to hopefully a step function increase in that growth from Japan .

Speaker #5: So that's where we are with with lunar overall , with lunar for the story , there really is about actually the disciplined investments and what we were able to save by looking at the ability to gather that data from real world evidence , which in the US , I would remind you that approximately 90% of our patients on Optune Lua for non-small cell lung cancer have had prior ICI exposure .

Speaker #5: So we are able to look at the real world evidence and the experience in the US and publish over time that data to answer a very similar question than lunar for was asking .

Speaker #5: So we do know it is still a very relevant scientific question . We are committed to kind of exploring that question , but it is a far more cost efficient way .

Speaker #5: And for us to do that through real-world evidence.

Speaker #7: Yeah . And Vijay , Kevin , sorry , this is Christophe . Just to add to what she said , you know , the savings we expect is in the mid to high single digit million .

Speaker #7: So it's actually quite worth it to do .

Speaker #10: Got it . Thank you .

Speaker #2: One moment for our next question . Our next question comes from Jessica Fei with J.P. Morgan . Your line is open .

Speaker #11: Hey , this is Tanmay on for chess and thanks for taking my question . My first question is we now know that active patients for non-small cell lung cancer grew to 100 in 3 Q but given the sequential decline in prescription , could you probably just expand on the underlying dynamics there ?

Speaker #11: And second question would be if you could expand on the gross margin trajectory and over what time horizon can we think about that recovering?

Speaker #11: Or maybe even exceeding historical levels ? Thank you .

Speaker #9: Sorry , could I just ask to clarify the first question around prescription and patient volumes ? It didn't quite .

Speaker #11: Come through . Yeah . Okay . So for the non-small cell lung cancer , we now have 100 patients in three . Q however , we see a sequential decline in prescription volume .

Speaker #11: So could you maybe just expand on the underlying dynamics there ?

Speaker #9: So thank you for the question . So yes , we you know what we do see is is that we we focus internally .

Speaker #9: Our big focus is on active patients . There's always a bit of noise in prescription volumes because it's a it's a question of some practices .

Speaker #9: Write prescriptions before they've really educated the patient . Some practices only write the prescription when they're ready for the patient to start . And I think we need a few more quarters in lung cancer before we really settle into what a fill rate would look like .

Speaker #9: So for right now , I would ignore the noise around prescriptions . Yes .

Speaker #7: I can take the question on gross margin . So , you know , we had maybe just to take a step back in the quarter .

Speaker #7: We had a gross margin of 73% at the beginning of the year . What we said is what we would expect during the year .

Speaker #7: The gross margin to come closer to lower 70s , driven by a couple of headwinds . One is the rollout of the HPV rate .

Speaker #7: To or two basically was the lung cancer indication where we launched before getting reimbursement . And then there was another headwind that came to it .

Speaker #7: It was tariffs . So if you now look at all together , we actually pleased with the cost reduction journey that we have been able to accelerate on the HIV race .

Speaker #7: So the , you know , as in as a result , for this year , you know , we see the gross margin get closer to , you .

Speaker #7: The mid 70s as opposed to the lower 70s . Now when we look ahead , our gross margin will be impacted by the launches and the launch trajectories .

Speaker #7: And that really comes back to the fact that , you know , in order to get reimbursement for us , it's a process .

Speaker #7: It doesn't come with approval . And we will be starting to patients in markets where we expect to be reimbursed before we have the actual reimbursement .

Speaker #7: So, there will be a lead time. There will be a gap between starting off patients and getting reimbursement, and that will impact our gross margin.

Speaker #7: And quite honestly , the the the most successful we are , the more it will impact the gross margin during this transition period .

Speaker #7: Now , I think what's important is we are somewhat in control of this because we can , you know , accept the patients or not accept the patients .

Speaker #7: If you don't get reimbursement in the timeline that we want . And so , you know , our gross margin , there will be a little bit of noise as we go through the launches .

Speaker #7: We expect it to come back to , you know , higher levels when we are through this period , which is , you know , at the in the high of 70s .

Speaker #5: And I would just say in all scenarios , when we look at profitability as defined by adjusted EBITDA , we remain committed to that path .

Speaker #5: And can see getting there throughout those launches .

Speaker #11: Got it . Thank you .

Speaker #2: One moment for our next question . Our next question comes from Jonathan Chang with Leerink Partners . Your line is open .

Speaker #12: Hey , this is Ellen on for Jonathan . Thanks for taking our questions . So one more on the option . Lua launch in lung .

Speaker #12: So we reported 84 unique prescribers . Can you provide some clarification on whether that's specific to Q3 or that's cumulative ? Since the launch or something else .

Speaker #12: And then one follow up , if I may , on profitability , can you provide more color on what goes into your goal of breaking even in 2027 ?

Speaker #12: Thank you .

Speaker #13: Yeah .

Speaker #5: So , Eva , that that that stat is specific to Q3 . So that's that's an easy answer . And I will point out the takeaway there that it's been consistent across quarters .

Speaker #5: And what we're seeing is that we're able to bring both new prescribers into the optimal treatment journey . And we're retaining existing prescribers .

Speaker #5: So when we think about that mix between new and returning , we see about a 5,050% split there , which is which is a nice trend .

Speaker #5: As we look ahead and and I will also remind everybody when we look at the profile of patient we're getting , we are seeing that patients approaching 90% of them have prior ICI exposure .

Speaker #5: So we're also seeing it use in a in a combination that we know is relevant .

Speaker #7: Yeah . And so on . The adjusted EBITDA , your line was a bit faint . What exactly was your question ?

Speaker #12: Just more color on what goes into your goal of reaching the break even in 2027 ?

Speaker #13: Yeah .

Speaker #7: Yeah okay . So first I'd say , you know , this is really no change in messaging . I mean , this is very consistent with commentary in the past .

Speaker #7: What we said is that we would expect to break even on an adjusted EBITDA level at the revenue of around 700 to 750 million .

Speaker #7: And the range is really explained by two main items , and the one is the level of R&D expenses , which is driven by the pace of enrollment in phase three trials .

Speaker #7: In essence , and two , the dynamics that are just talked through in terms of , you know , during launch years , we have an impact on gross margin , both levers are in our control .

Speaker #7: And so , again , you know , we expect to break even on adjusted EBITDA level at a revenue level of 700 , 750 million .

Speaker #7: And we expect this to be during 2027 . You know , we'll be there on a sustainable basis , meaning up to then , you know , we could we could be close as this quarter we were very close by 3 million .

Speaker #7: And we we believe we'll be sort of bouncing around this break even on adjusted EBITDA level during 2027 . We we believe it will be on a sustainable level .

Speaker #12: Got it .

Speaker #13: Thank you .

Speaker #2: One moment for our next question . Our next question comes from Emily Bodnar with H.C. Wainwright . Your line is open .

Speaker #14: Hi . Good morning . Thanks for taking the questions . I guess on the lung side , I was curious with how the launch is going currently .

Speaker #14: Do you have any kind of internal changes to your expectations for what the opportunity could look like at peak and kind of more color on how we should be thinking about Ramp ?

Speaker #14: Maybe for next year and also what learnings you've had from the launch so far that you can kind of use to make sure the pancreatic launch doesn't kind of fall into a similar pattern ?

Speaker #14: Thank you .

Speaker #5: Emily . That's a great question . I'll start with a little bit of what our expectations are internally . And then ask Frank to to provide some of the learnings .

Speaker #5: But zooming out , you know lung is hard . But we do know it's worth it given the opportunity both long long term but also across the entire portfolio and the interim and cost we're spending is actually quite negligible .

Speaker #5: When we look at the investments , we would be making today versus the investments we need to be making for pancreatic and brain nets , as we look ahead .

Speaker #5: So we have adjusted our internal expectations . We are making sure that we have motivated field teams that are focused on the right targets , driving growth .

Speaker #5: But I will say when we look at investments , the investments we have made are investments in the platform and they will establish that infrastructure that will treat the full , full portfolio over the next year .

Speaker #5: So while we've , you know , we're always looking at those discerning investments , I will say we really are now looking at the platform .

Speaker #5: And again , we're confident that those are the right ones as we look to this pasta profitability with top line growth coming from from for products on the market in the end of the year .

Speaker #5: But I'm going to ask Frank to provide specifics on on pivots in the market .

Speaker #9: Yeah . So thank you . So first to to go to the question around how do we view the long term value . We we still see the long term value in helping non-small cell lung cancer patients .

Speaker #9: There's a tremendous unmet need in the second line . And as we look even further ahead to the lunar two trial , there's there's the huge opportunity within first line treatment .

Speaker #9: And so , you know , for us , given the data set that we have , we believe we have a compelling reason to be in this market , helping the patients in terms of learnings and pivots , I think , you know , Bill and his in his opening noted on the need for education and additional evidence , as you as you work into a new community of doctors and so on , the education front , I think one , we have the advantage that we are in market already .

Speaker #9: So physicians are hearing about our lung indication . But by extension , when we go into and have approval to actually market to Panc , they they won't be naive to the messages .

Speaker #9: Number two is to take a direct learning from from lung in terms of the education that we need to do , I'd say we've learned that we need to educate not just the physician , but the practice , the nurses , the physicians assistants , and really everyone in the practice on the therapy .

Speaker #9: Because you don't know where the patient will direct their question , their first question about the device . And so I think that's in the real tactical side of things .

Speaker #9: But it's things that we now know we need to do to be successful in our next medical oncology launch . And then , you know , they'll also mention the need for continued evidence generations .

Speaker #9: I think one thing we've done for Panc is ensure that at FDA launch , we're also in the process of closing out the Anova for data set .

Speaker #9: So trying to take those learnings and really lean toward lead towards an excellent launch in Panc .

Speaker #14: Great . Thank you .

Speaker #2: And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back to Bill for any further remarks.

Speaker #4: Thank you . Kevin , I'd like to conclude the call where I began . Everyone in overture comes to work every day to help patients extend their survival in these really aggressive cancers .

Speaker #4: We've been working very hard for years to help patients with GBM , and we are now excited . And in the middle of our preparation to become a true platform company , serving again patients in for indications , by the end of next year .

Speaker #4: Our pipeline is on track . We were very pleased with the clinical recognition we've received for Nova three and Metis . And on the financial front , again , we expect now for diversified revenue streams and we're committed to marching forward toward profitability .

Speaker #4: So we have an exciting 15 months ahead . Six major country level launches , two important data readouts and meaningful product improvements that we continue to focus on and will be rolling out .

Speaker #4: So with that , I want to thank the Novocure team for all their hard work and for your attention and support today . Thank you .

Speaker #2: , ladies and gentlemen . This concludes today's presentation . We thank you for your participation . You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day .