Q3 2025 Beacon Financial Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Beacon Financial Corporation third quarter earnings conference call.
Operator: Thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc. Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Dario Hernandez, Corporate Counsel. You may begin.
Speaker #3: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
Speaker #3: If you would like to ask a question during this time , simply press star , followed by the number one on your telephone keypad .
Speaker #3: If you would like to withdraw your question , press star one again . Thank you . I would now like to turn the call over to Dario Hernandez , corporate counsel .
Speaker #3: You may begin .
Speaker #4: Thank you , Jane , and good afternoon , everyone . Yesterday we issued our earnings release and presentation , which is available on the Investor Relations page of our website .
Dario Hernandez: Thank you, Jean, and good afternoon, everyone. Yesterday, we issued our earnings release presentation, which is available on the Investor Relations page of our website, berkshirehillsbancorp.com, and has been filed with the SEC. This afternoon's call will be hosted by Paul Perrault and Carl Carlson. During the question-and-answer session, they will be joined by Mark Mikhitarian, Chief Credit Officer. This call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial condition, results of operations, and business of Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc. Please refer to page two of our earnings presentation for our forward-looking statement disclaimer. Also, please refer to our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which contain risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements.
Speaker #4: Beacon financial Corporation . Com and has been filed with the SEC . This afternoon's call will be hosted by Paul Perrault and Carl Carlson .
Speaker #4: During the question and answer session , they will be joined by Mark Meiklejohn , Chief credit Officer . This call may contain forward looking statements with respect to the financial condition , results of operations and business of Beacon Financial Corporation .
Speaker #4: Please refer to page two of our earnings presentation for our forward looking statement . Disclaimer . Also , please refer to our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission , which contain risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward looking statements .
Speaker #4: Any references made during this presentation to non-GAAP measures are only made to assist you in understanding Beacon Financial's results and performance trends , and should not be relied on as financial measures of actual results or future predictions .
Dario Hernandez: Any references made during this presentation to non-GAAP measures are only made to assist you in understanding Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc.'s results and performance trends and should not be relied on as financial measures of actual results or future predictions. For a comparison and reconciliation to GAAP earnings, please see our earnings release. At this time, I'm pleased to introduce Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc.'s President and Chief Executive Officer, Paul Perrault.
Speaker #4: For a comparison and reconciliation to GAAP earnings , please see our earnings release . At this time , I'm pleased to introduce Shaken Financial's President and Chief Executive Officer , Paul Perrault .
Speaker #5: Thanks , Dario , and good afternoon , everyone , and thank you for joining us for our first earnings call . As Beacon Financial Corp.
Paul Perrault: Thanks, Dario. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our first earnings call as Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc. Let me start by welcoming the Brookline Bancorp Inc. and Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc. stockholders, employees, and customers to the new Beacon Financial Corporation, the holding company for Berkshire Bank and Brookline Bank. This powerful combination between our two great legacy organizations will help position us as a leading Northeast financial institution that provides enhanced service capabilities for our clients, performance for our shareholders, and resources for our communities. On September 1, the merger and consolidation of the bank charters was completed. However, until we finalize our core system integration in the first quarter of next year, we will continue to conduct business as Brookline Bank, Berkshire Bank, Bankward Island, and PCSB Bank, operating as divisions of Beacon Financial Corporation.
Speaker #5: Let me start by welcoming the Brookline and Berkshire stockholders, employees, and customers to the new Beacon Financial Corporation, the holding company for Beacon Bank and Trust.
Speaker #5: This powerful combination between our two great legacy organizations will help position us as a leading Northeast financial institution that provides enhanced service capabilities for our clients, performance for our shareholders, and resources for our communities.
Speaker #5: On September 1st , the merger and consolidation of the bank charters was completed . However , until we finalized our core system integration in the first quarter of next year , we will continue to conduct business as Brookline Bank , Berkshire Bank , Banquet Island , and CSB Bank , operating as divisions of Beacon .
Speaker #5: We will formally introduce our Beacon Bank brand to the market over the next few months as we get closer to finalizing our system integrations.
Paul Perrault: We will formally introduce our Beacon Bank brand to the market over the next few months as we get closer to finalizing our system integrations. The Beacon Bank name represents guidance, strength, and the promise of stability, the core principles the legacy institutions have upheld for generations. With the combined strengths of Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc. and Brookline Bancorp Inc., Beacon Financial Corporation can help customers make financial decisions with clarity and confidence. The integration is moving ahead as expected. Our priority remains ensuring our customers and communities continue to experience the outstanding service and support our banks are known for, which is driven by the attitude and expertise of our employees and supported by our six regional presidents. I want to thank all of our Berkshire Bank employees for their hard work on this integration, their continued superior service to our customers, and a commitment to ensuring a smooth transition.
Speaker #5: The beacon Bank name represents guidance , strength , and the promise of stability . The core principles , the legacy institutions have upheld for generations with the combined strengths of Berkshire and Brookline , beacon can help customers make financial decisions with clarity and confidence .
Speaker #5: The integration is moving ahead as expected. Our priority remains ensuring our customers and communities continue to experience the outstanding service and support our banks are known for, which is driven by the attitude and expertise of our employees.
Speaker #5: And supported by our six regional presidents, I want to thank all of our Beacon Bank employees for their hard work on this integration.
Speaker #5: Their continued superior service to our customers and the commitment to ensuring a smooth transition, Beacon Financial finished the quarter with $23 billion in assets, $19 billion in deposits, and $18 billion in loans, with third quarter operating earnings of approximately $38.5 million.
Paul Perrault: Berkshire Hills Bancorp Inc. finished the quarter with $23 billion in assets, $19 billion in deposits, and $18 billion in loans, with third quarter operating earnings of approximately $38.5 million, or $0.44 per share before merger expenses and special charges. We're already beginning to see the rationale for the merger play out with the addition of Berkshire's lower cost deposit base combined with Brookline's higher growth markets, creating opportunities to deepen relationships with clients. I'm particularly pleased with our strong retention of client-facing talent through this and the excitement amongst the team, and I'm optimistic to see this excitement and energy translated to even more robust results. I will now turn you over to Carl Carlson, who will review the company's third quarter.
Speaker #5: Or $0.44 per share . Before merger expenses and special charges , we're already beginning to see the rationale for the merger play out with the addition of Berkshires lower cost deposit base , combined with Brookline's higher growth markets creating opportunities to deepen relationships with clients .
Speaker #5: I'm particularly pleased with our strong retention of client facing talent through this and the excitement amongst the team , and I'm optimistic to see this excitement and energy translated to even more robust results .
Speaker #5: I will now turn you over to Carl, who will review the company's third quarter.
Speaker #6: Thank you, Paul. As Paul mentioned, we closed our merger on September 1st, with Berkshire as the legal acquirer and Brookline as the accounting acquirer.
Carl Carlson: Thank you, Paul. As Paul mentioned, we closed our merger on September 1st with Berkshire as the legal acquirer and Brookline as the accounting acquirer. As such, historical results reflect Brookline performance, and the assets and liabilities of Berkshire were marked to market and combined with Brookline's as of September 1st. On a combined basis, we finished the quarter with total assets of $22.8 billion. On September 1st, the fair value of Berkshire assets was $12.1 billion, of which we sold approximately $426 million, $177 million in securities, and $249 million in loans. The proceeds were used to reduce wholesale funding. Excluding the purchase accounting, Mark, the combined loan portfolio declined $484 million during the quarter, largely driven by the sale of $249 million of purchased residential mortgage loans and the reclass of $83 million in similar loans to held for sale.
Speaker #6: As such, historical results reflect Brookline's performance, and the assets and liabilities of Berkshire were marked to market and combined with Brookline as of September 1st.
Speaker #6: On a combined basis . We finished the quarter with total assets of $22.8 billion , and on September 1st , the fair value of Berkshire assets was 12.1 billion , of which we sold approximately 426,000,177 million in securities and $249 million in loans .
Speaker #6: The proceeds were used to reduce wholesale funding , excluding the purchase accounting mark , the combined loan portfolio declined 484 million during the quarter , largely driven by the sale of 249 million of purchased residential mortgage loans and the reclass of 83 million in similar loans to held for sale .
Speaker #6: The sale of those loans closed in October , except for a small pool which closes next week . On the funding side , combined customer deposits increased 89 million , payroll deposits declined 186 million , while brokered deposits and borrowings declined by 249,000,074 million , respectively .
Carl Carlson: The sale of those loans closed in October, except for a small pool which closes next week. On the funding side, combined customer deposits increased $89 million. Payroll deposits declined $186 million, while broker deposits and borrowings declined by $249 million and $74 million, respectively. At the end of the quarter, the loan-to-deposit ratio was 96.5%. The allowance for loan losses finished at $254 million, reflecting a coverage ratio of 139 basis points. The allowance includes $77 million in specific reserves on approximately $380 million of loans, representing a coverage rate of 20%. The general reserve of $177 million represents a 99 basis point coverage on the balance of the portfolio.
Speaker #6: At the end of the quarter , the loan to deposit ratio was 96.5% . The allowance for loan losses finished at 254 million , reflecting a coverage ratio of 139 basis points .
Speaker #6: The allowance includes 77 million in specific reserves on approximately 380 million of loans , representing a coverage rate of 20% . The General Reserve of 177 million represents a 99 basis point .
Speaker #6: Coverage on the balance of the portfolio. Given the strong coverage rate and the current environment, we expect that while charge-offs may remain elevated as we continue to work through these substandard assets, we expect the run rate for the provision to be $5 million to $9 million a quarter.
Carl Carlson: Given the strong coverage rate in the current environment, we expect that while charge-offs may remain elevated as we continue to work through these substandard assets, we expect the run rate for the provision to be $5 to $9 million a quarter as the reserve coverage ratio trends lower. Net charge-offs for the quarter were $15.8 million. All but $1.4 million of the charge-offs were previously reserved for. Our quarterly results reflect two months of earnings for Brookline and one month of earnings on a combined basis. The quarter also included the merger charges and purchase accounting associated with the transaction. We will continue to have merger charges through the first quarter when our core systems integrations are completed and the remaining cost synergies realized. As we anticipated, we reported a GAAP loss for the third quarter of $56 million, or $0.64 per share.
Speaker #6: As a reserve coverage ratio trends lower . Net charge offs for the quarter were 15.8 million , all but 1.4 million of the charge offs were previously reserved for our quarterly results reflect two months of earnings for Brookline and one month of earnings on a combined basis .
Speaker #6: The quarter also included the merger charges and purchase accounting associated with the transaction . We will continue to have merger charges through the first quarter when our core systems integrations are completed and the remaining cost synergies realized as we anticipated , we reported a GAAP loss for the third quarter of 56 million , or $0.64 per share .
Speaker #6: The third quarter included pre-tax charges of 130,000,078 million related to the initial provision expense , and 52 million in merger expenses . Excluding these charges , operating earnings were 39 million , or $0.44 per share .
Carl Carlson: The third quarter included pre-tax charges of $130 million, $78 million related to the initial provision expense, and $52 million in merger expenses. Excluding these charges, operating earnings were $39 million, or $0.44 per share. The net interest margin was 372 basis points for the quarter, which included a 30 basis point benefit from purchase accounting. We provided the performance for the month of September, representing the first month of performance on a combined basis, and adjusted it for the one-time merger-related charges. This is provided on page five of the presentation. Net interest income for September was $72 million, which included $10.7 million in purchase accounting accretion for the month and resulted in a net interest margin of 412 basis points for September. Of the $10.7 million, $3.8 million was related to the credit mark, with the remaining $6.9 million related to the interest rate mark.
Speaker #6: The net interest margin was 372 basis points for the quarter , which included a 30 basis point benefit from purchase accounting . We provided the performance for the month of September , representing the first month of performance on a combined basis , and adjusted it for the one time merger .
Speaker #6: Related charges . This is provided on page five of the presentation . Net interest income for September was 72 million , which included 10.7 million in purchase accounting accretion for the month , and resulted in a net interest margin of 412 basis points for September .
Speaker #6: Of the 10.7 million , 3.8 million was related to the credit mark , with the remaining 6.9 million related to the interest rate mark .
Speaker #6: Of the 6.9 million , 1.8 million is is due to loan prepayments . We expect Faseb to release the final rule on accounting for acquired loans and the credit mark to be reversed in the fourth quarter , increasing equity and no longer reflected in income going forward .
Carl Carlson: Of the $6.9 million, $1.8 million is due to loan prepayments. We expect FASB to release the final rule on accounting for acquired loans and the credit mark to be reversed in the fourth quarter, increasing equity and no longer reflected in income going forward. We currently estimate purchase accounting accretion to be in the range of $15 million to $20 million per quarter, depending on loan prepayment activity. Non-interest income was $8.5 million for the month, reflecting a $25 million to $26 million quarterly run rate. Non-interest expense of $40.6 million for the month captured some of the day-one synergies created by the merger and reflects a quarterly run rate of $122 million. Amortization of intangibles at $2.7 million for the month reflects an $8.1 million quarterly run rate.
Speaker #6: We currently estimate purchase accounting accretion to be in the range of $15 million to $20 million per quarter, depending on loan prepayment activity.
Speaker #6: Noninterest income was 8.5 million for the month , reflecting a 25 to 26 million quarterly run rate . Non-interest expense of 40.6 million for the month captured some of the day one synergies created by the merger and reflects a quarterly run rate of 122 million .
Speaker #6: Amortization of intangibles at 2.7 million for the month , reflects an 8.1 million quarterly run rate provision for credit losses for September was 6.9 6.6 million , but as is typical true up of reserves and provision requirements take place in the third month of the quarter .
Carl Carlson: Provision for credit losses for September was $6.6 million, but as is typical, true-up of reserves and provision requirements take place in the third month of the quarter. As I stated earlier, we anticipate quarterly provisions to be in the range of $5 million to $9 million. The September operating performance of 129 basis points on assets and over a 15% return on tangible equity illustrates the strong performance of the combined franchise and the potential opportunity going forward. Yesterday, the board approved increasing our quarterly dividend to $0.3225 per share to be paid on November 24 to stockholders of record on November 10. This represents a 79% increase in the cash dividends previously received by Berkshire shareholders and maintains the level of cash dividends previously received by Brookline stockholders.
Speaker #6: As I stated earlier , we anticipate quarterly provisions to be in the range of 5 to 9 million . The September operating performance of 129 basis points on assets and over 15% return on tangible equity , illustrates the strong performance of the combined franchise and the potential opportunity going forward .
Speaker #6: Yesterday , the board approved increasing our quarterly dividend to 32.25 cents per share to be paid on November 24th to stockholders of record on November 10th .
Speaker #6: This represents a 79% increase in the cash dividends previously received by Berkshire shareholders , and maintains the level of cash dividends previously received by Brookline stockholders .
Speaker #6: The quarterly dividend equates to an annual dividend of $1.29 per share , which was communicated when we announced the merger and currently represents a dividend yield of approximately 5.4% .
Carl Carlson: The quarterly dividend equates to an annual dividend of $1.29 per share, which was communicated when we announced the merger and currently represents a dividend yield of approximately 5.4%. As Paul mentioned, the team is optimistic and excited as we continue to deliver on the merger benefits. This concludes my formal comments, and I'll turn it back to Paul.
Speaker #6: Spoil mentioned . The team is optimistic and excited as we continue to deliver on the merger benefits . This continues my formal comments and I'll turn it back to Paul .
Speaker #5: Thanks , Carl . We will now be joined by Mark , Michael-john , our Chief Credit Officer , and we will open it up for questions .
Paul Perrault: Thanks, Carl. We will now be joined by Mark Mikhitarian, our Chief Credit Officer, and we will open it up for questions.
Speaker #3: At this time , I would like to remind everyone , in order to ask a question , press star . Then the number one on your telephone keypad .
Operator: At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Your first question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler . Please go ahead .
Speaker #7: Hey guys . Good afternoon and congratulations on the on the completion of the deal .
Carl Carlson: Hey, guys. Good afternoon, and congratulations on the completion of the deal.
Speaker #5: Thanks , Mark .
Paul Perrault: Thanks, Mark.
Speaker #7: First question I had , I guess for Carl . Carl , what should we expect for the remaining deal related charges to be in for Q and one Q do you have a sense for a rough range on that ?
Carl Carlson: First question I had, I guess, for Carl. Carl, what should we expect for the remaining deal-related charges to be in Q4 and Q1? Do you have a sense for a rough range on that? I think it's going to be between $22 million and $24 million, in that range. Okay. Great. I wondered if you could share any color on that $12.4 million office loan that you referenced in Boston. Any color on that? I was curious, from which institution did this loan come from?
Speaker #6: I think it's going to be between 22 and 24 million in that range .
Speaker #7: Okay , great . And then I wondered if you could share any color on that $12.4 million office loan that you referenced in Boston .
Speaker #7: Any , any color on that . And also was curious from which institution did this long come from ?
Speaker #8: Mark, this is Mark. Michael-John. That loan is for a downtown Boston office property. It's a retail space on the first floor with offices above. At this point, the retail is full, and otherwise the building is largely vacant.
Paul Perrault: Mark, this is Mark Mikhitarian. That loan is a downtown Boston office property. It's a retail first-floor, office above. At this point, the retail is full, and otherwise, the building is largely vacant. We've got about a 25% to 30% reserve on that loan. Currently, it's being marketed for a potential sale. We feel like we're in a pretty good place on it.
Speaker #8: We've got about a 30 , 25 to 30% reserve on that loan . Currently , it's being marketed for a potential sale . So we feel like we're in a pretty good place on it .
Speaker #7: Okay, great. And then lastly, it looks like your capital ratios were stronger than we expected coming out of the deal.
Carl Carlson: Okay. Great. Lastly, it looks like your capital ratios were stronger than we expected coming out of the deal. It sounds like, with the accounting adjustment, potentially in the fourth quarter, capital ratios will get even a little bit better. I'm curious what your thoughts are on stock buybacks going forward. We love the idea, particularly with the price where it is. I think our first priority was to get the dividend increased as we promised when we announced the transaction. Now it's really to get the concentration on the commercial real estate to where we all want it to be. Right now, we're targeting 300% by the end of 2027. We may have an opportunity to still be able to do increases in dividends and stock buybacks while also maintaining our goal of getting to 300%. We'll continue to explore that as we move forward. Thank you.
Speaker #7: And it sounds like with the accounting adjustment potentially in the fourth quarter, capital ratios get even a little bit better. I guess I'm curious about your thoughts on stock buybacks going forward.
Speaker #6: We love the idea , particularly with the price where it is . But I think our first priority , well , our first priority was to get the dividend increased as we as we promised in when we announced the transaction .
Speaker #6: And now it's really to to get the concentration on the commercial real estate to where we all want it to be . And so right now we're targeting 300% by the end of 2027 .
Speaker #6: Now we may we may have an opportunity still to still be able to do dividend increases in dividends and stock buybacks , while also , you know , maintaining our our our goal of getting to 300% .
Speaker #6: So we'll continue to continue to explore that as as we move forward .
Speaker #7: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Steve Moss with Raymond James . Please go ahead .
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Steve Moss with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Good afternoon . Hey , Steve . Hey , Paul . Maybe just start off following up on credit here with regard to the potential for elevated charge offs .
Paul Perrault: Good afternoon.
[Analyst]: Hey, Steve.
Carl Carlson: Hey, Paul. Maybe just starting off, following up on credit here with regard to the potential for elevated charge-offs. Just curious if you could size that up a little bit. It sounds like it's going to be coming from the equipment finance portfolio, if I heard that correctly.
Speaker #9: Just kind of , you know , curious if you could size that up a little bit . It sounds like it's going to be coming from the equipment finance portfolio .
Speaker #9: If I heard that correctly .
Speaker #10: Yeah, I think just to comment.
Paul Perrault: I think, just a comment to be a little repetitive to Carl. We've got specific reserves of about almost $80 million on a population of about $380 million in what we consider troubled assets. Of that, I would say that a fair amount of that will come out of those problems as they resolve themselves, will come out of the Eastern Funding portfolio. There's really not much of that in office at this point.
Speaker #8: You know , to be a little repetitive to Carl , you know , we've got specific reserves of about almost $80 million on a population of about 380 million .
Speaker #8: In what we consider troubled assets of that , I would say that , you know , a fair amount of that will come out of the those problems as they resolve themselves , will come out of these eastern funding portfolio .
Speaker #8: There's really not much of that in the office at this point.
Speaker #9: Right . Okay . Got it . I know that that's helpful . I just size that up a little bit and then , you know , the other thing here , in terms of the commentary , you know , it sounds upbeat with regard to CNI lending .
Carl Carlson: Right. Okay. Got it. I know that's helpful. I just sized that up a little bit. The other thing here in terms of the commentary, it sounds upbeat with regard to C&I lending. Just kind of curious to get a sense for the type of deals you guys are seeing and where loan pricing is these days. To give you a sense, we put in the deck what the originations were, and of course, that's on a combined basis for the quarter. We had coupons being added just a little south of 7%, and that does include some Eastern Funding originations in there as well. Got it. Maybe just on the loan portfolio yields here, just curious, it's probably a bigger step up than I was expecting.
Speaker #9: Just kind of curious. Get a sense for the type of deals you guys are seeing and where loan pricing is these days.
Speaker #6: Well , to give you a sense , we put in in the deck , you know what the originations were . And of course , that's on a combined basis for the quarter .
Speaker #6: But you know , we had we had coupons being added and just , just a little south of 7% . And and that does include some eastern funding originations in there as well .
Speaker #9: But as .
Speaker #6: Far as .
Speaker #9: And then maybe just on the loan portfolio yields here, in terms of the, just curious, you know, probably a bigger step up than I was expecting. I realized the purchase count increased.
Carl Carlson: I realize the purchase accounting accretion math there, just kind of how you're thinking about where the loan portfolio yields shake out and how you guys are thinking about deposit betas as we go through these rate cuts on a combined basis. As far as the deposit betas, right now, we're modeling about a 57% beta for all of our interest-bearing deposits. It seems like the lines have been doing a little bit better job than that, than our modeling. Sometimes that happens initially, and then it slows down. In the model, that's what we're using is 57%.
Speaker #9: I’m math there, but just kind of how you're thinking about where the loan portfolio yields shake out and how you guys are thinking about deposit betas as we go through these rate cuts on a combined basis.
Speaker #6: Well , as far as the the the deposit betas , right now we're modeling about a 57% beta for all all of our interest bearing deposits .
Speaker #6: And it seems like the . The lines have been doing a little bit better job than that . Than than our modeling . And sometimes that happens initially and then it slows down .
Speaker #6: But in the model that's what we're using is 57% .
Speaker #9: Okay . And one more housekeeping item here . Just curious how you guys are thinking about the core deposit intangible amortization expense going forward .
[Analyst]: Okay. One more housekeeping item here. Just curious how you guys are thinking about the core deposit intangible amortization expense going forward.
Speaker #6: Yeah , I think we provided some guidance on that . I think it was about $8.1 million a quarter that that'll come down over time .
Carl Carlson: Yeah, I think we provided some guidance on that. I think it was about $8.1 million a quarter. That'll come down over time. I think we're doing a 12-year, sum of the years' digits method on that.
Speaker #6: I think we're doing a a 12 year some of the years digits method on that .
Speaker #9: Okay. Got you. I appreciate that. I'll step back in the queue. Thank you.
[Analyst]: Okay. Got you. Appreciate that. I'll step back in the queue. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Okay , Steve .
Paul Perrault: Okay, Steve.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of David Bishop with Hovda group . Please go ahead .
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of David Bishop with Hodge Group. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Hey good afternoon gentlemen .
[Analyst]: Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen.
Speaker #5: Hey , David .
Paul Perrault: Hey, David.
Speaker #11: Hey , hey . Curious within the legacy Berkshire Hills , they have had some resilience and strength recently in the the 44 business capital back .
[Analyst]: Hey.
Paul Perrault: Hey, curious. Within the legacy Berkshire Hills, they had some resilience and strength recently in the 44 Business Capital back small business line. Any impact this quarter in terms of their ability to get stuff to the finish line in terms of loan sales? Curious if there's a significant backlog or pipeline within that segment.
Speaker #11: You know, small business line. Any impact this quarter in terms of their ability to get stuff to the finish line in terms of loan sales?
Speaker #11: And I'm curious if there's a significant backlog or pipeline within that segment.
Speaker #6: That's an excellent question . I don't know if it really impacted September . I think September was was fine . And as , as you know , you're only seeing Berkshire's results for the month of September in this .
Carl Carlson: That's an excellent question. I don't know if it really impacted September. I think September was fine. As you know, you're only seeing Berkshire's results for the month of September in this, and I think that's important to realize. For the fourth quarter, I would imagine there'd be a little bit of a shortfall as far as timing and maybe even the level of gain on sale on the guaranteed portions of those SBA loans. I do expect that, but I couldn't give you real guidance on how much that may or may not be.
Speaker #6: And I think that's that's important to realize . So but the fourth quarter , I would imagine there would be a little bit of a shortfall in an A as far as timing and maybe even the level of gain on sale on the guaranteed portions of those , those , those SBA loans .
Speaker #6: So, I do expect that, but I couldn't give you real guidance on how much that might or may or may not be.
Speaker #6: .
Speaker #11: Got it? Understood. And then appreciate the deck, noting that some of the divestitures, any more repositioning, or loan sales or securities sales are anticipated after this.
[Analyst]: Got it. Understood. I appreciate the deck noting some of the divestitures. Any more repositioning or loan sales or security sales anticipated after this? Thanks.
Speaker #11: Thanks .
Speaker #6: Yeah , I put a note in there to keep my options open , but I think I'm pretty much done with that . There may be a few , a few more securities that we're running .
Carl Carlson: Yeah, I put a note in there to keep my options open, but I think I'm pretty much done with that. There may be a few more securities that we would like to sell, but it's nothing material.
Speaker #6: Would like to sell, but it's nothing material.
Speaker #5: In terms of the branches, there are 4 or 5 overlaps, which will be dealt with post-conversion. But I think that Berkshire had it sort of cleaned up the footprint quite handily in the past couple of years, maybe 2 or 3 years.
Paul Perrault: In terms of the branches, there are four or five overlaps which will be dealt with post-conversion. I think that Berkshire had sort of cleaned up the footprint quite handily in the past couple of years, maybe two or three years.
Speaker #11: Right. And then, Carl, just curious if you have it available, the concentration ratio at quarter end.
[Analyst]: Right. Carl, just curious if you have an available commercial real estate concentration ratio at quarter-end.
Speaker #6: 355% . For Icri to total risk based capital and just so like to highlight that our construction portfolio is only 33% . It's quite low .
Carl Carlson: 355% for IPRI to total risk-based capital. I'd like to highlight that our construction portfolio is only 33%. It's quite low. It's nice to remind people of that.
Speaker #6: And it's nice to remind people of that.
Speaker #11: Great. Appreciate the color.
[Analyst]: Great. Appreciate the color.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Carl Shepherd with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Carl Carlson with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #12: Hey, good afternoon, and congrats on getting all this done.
[Analyst]: Hey, good afternoon. Congrats on getting all this done.
Speaker #5: Thanks , Carl .
Paul Perrault: Thanks, Carl.
[Analyst]: Thanks. I guess I wanted to start with Carl. Thanks for all the help with slide five. I'm just thinking high level here. This feels like a pretty good starting point once we kind of right-size the provision and back out a little bit of the accelerated and credit-related accretion this quarter. Is that fair? What's the message on the size of the balance sheet?
Speaker #12: I guess I wanted to start with Carl. Thanks for all the help with slide five. And I'm just thinking high level here.
Speaker #12: This feels like a pretty good starting point . Once we kind of rightsize the provision and back out a little bit of the accelerated and credit related accretion , this quarter is that is that fair ?
Speaker #12: And then what's the message on the size of the balance sheet?
Speaker #6: You're right on with that . That's that's why I spent so much time in almost all of my time on that . I think that gives you a good sense of the direction .
Carl Carlson: You're right on with that. That's why I spend so much time and almost all of my time on that. I think that gives you a good sense of the direction in the different categories and how that's laying out. September gives us a little snapshot of that. As far as the size of the balance sheet, we basically reduced the balance sheet $500 million when you include the loan sale for sale. I don't expect that to go down going forward. We'll see exactly what kind of loan growth we're seeing on a combined basis as we move forward. Over time, I think we're targeting that, probably mid-single-digit growth in interest-earning assets. I want to be careful.
Speaker #6: And the different categories and how that's laying out in September gives us a little snapshot of that as far as the size of the balance sheet.
Speaker #6: We basically reduced the balance sheet by $500 million. When you include the loans held for sale, I don't expect that to go down.
Speaker #6: Going forward . We'll see exactly what what kind of loan growth we're seeing on a combined basis . As we move forward . But over time , I think we're we're targeting that probably mid-single digit growth in the in interest earning assets .
Speaker #6: And so I would I would be taking I want to be careful a lot of ratios that people calculate . And even when you look at the yield tables and things like that , you'll look at look at our yield table and our press release and you'll see interest earning assets or loans might be $12 billion or something like that .
Carl Carlson: A lot of ratios that people calculate, even when you look at the yield tables and things like that, you'll look at our yield table and our press release, and you'll see interest-earning assets or loans might be $12 billion or something like that. It's a much higher number when you look at just where we ended September, right? That included Brookline for two months and the combined organization for one month. You got to be careful about averages and average balances and calculations like that. We expect to be able to get on a growth trajectory on interest-earning assets going forward in the low single digits to mid-single digits.
Speaker #6: It's a much higher number on , you know , when you look at just where we ended September , right . Because that that included Brookline for two months and , and the combined organization for one month .
Speaker #6: So you got to be careful about averages and average balances and calculations like that . But , you know , we expect to to be able to get on a , on a growth trajectory on interest earning assets , going forward in the low single digits to mid single digits .
Speaker #12: Okay . Yeah , I was trying to do the algebra on NII and for , for September , but I guess then one for everyone .
[Analyst]: Okay. I was trying to do the algebra on NII and for September, but I guess one for everyone, but maybe Paul in particular. Can we get a few more thoughts on how the first two months have gone as a combined organization? What's the focus execution-wise between now and the systems integration for you?
Speaker #12: But maybe Paul in particular, can we get a few more thoughts on how the first two months have gone as a combined organization?
Speaker #12: And then what's the focus, execution-wise, between now and the systems integration for you?
Speaker #5: Well , I think it's gone exceptionally well . I mean , everybody has an important role to play , and my management committee works very well together and have been knocking off the kinds of things that are necessary to do in these kinds of mergers .
Paul Perrault: I think it's gone exceptionally well. Everybody has an important role to play. My management committee works very well together and have been knocking off the kinds of things that are necessary to do in these kinds of mergers, everything from employee benefits to consolidating contracts for services. All the technology stuff is well underway. That was done very early on. The selections were made, and we're about execution at this point. We've got the banking centers all set up under Chief Banking Officer Mike McCurdy. We have six regions given the footprint that we have, and we have decentralized all of the support for those regions. As I travel around the land, I feel very good about the people that I'm meeting and the enthusiasm that they're bringing to this new adventure for everybody.
Speaker #5: Everything from employee benefits to consolidating contracts for services. All the technology stuff is well underway. That was done very early on.
Speaker #5: The selections were made, and so we're about execution at this point. We've got the banking centers all set up under Chief Banking Officer Mike McCurdy.
Speaker #5: We have six regions . Given the footprint that we have . And so we have decentralized all of the support for those regions and as I travel around the land , I feel very good about the people that I'm meeting and the enthusiasm that they're bringing to this new adventure for everybody .
Speaker #5: So this is this is a lot different for everybody . But the optimism is there . And the talent is there . And so I'm feeling very good about where we are here a couple of months away from the conversion .
Paul Perrault: This is a lot different for everybody, but the optimism is there and the talent is there. I'm feeling very good about where we are here a couple of months away from the conversion.
Speaker #12: Okay, great! Thanks for all the help.
[Analyst]: Okay. Great, thanks for all the help.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of David Conrad with KBW. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of David Conrad with KBW. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Hey .
Speaker #13: Good afternoon. Since you spent so much time on slide five, let's spend a little bit more time on it, I guess, if we could.
[Analyst]: Hey, good afternoon.
[Analyst]: Good afternoon.
[Analyst]: Since you spent so much time on slide five, let's spend a little bit more time on it, I guess, if we could. I'm just looking at the September expenses of $40.6 million and then the amortization of $2.7 million. If I kind of quarterize that, if you will, I get to about $130 million of expenses, kind of a run rate. I guess two questions. One, how much of the $68.9 million cost saves has already been implemented in that number, if any?
Speaker #13: But I'm just looking at the September expenses of $40.6 million and the amortization of $2.7 million. And if I kind of cauterized that, if you will, I get to about $130 million of expenses, kind of a run rate.
Speaker #13: I guess. Two questions. One, how much of the $68.9 million cost savings has already been implemented in that number, if any?
Speaker #6: I'd say quite a bit of the $68 million has already been realized. Just to step through that a little bit, just since we announced the transaction, even before we announced the transaction, both companies were being very thoughtful about expenses going into that.
Carl Carlson: I'd say quite a bit of the $68 million's already been realized. Just to step through that a little bit. Just since we announced the transaction, even before we announced the transaction, both companies were being very thoughtful about expenses going into that. When we were looking at it, people weren't getting hired. People who were leaving, positions weren't getting filled. There was a lot of double work going on, things of that nature, things getting done by additional folks. There's been a lot of control around expenses right up until the merger on September 1, 2023. Both companies have done an excellent job of controlling those expenses and not spending a lot of money. You had September 1 come, and there were a lot of senior people, even department leaders, that were let go on the first day.
Speaker #6: And so when we were looking at and just people weren't getting hired , people who were leaving weren't positions , weren't getting filled , there was a lot of , you know , a lot of double work going on and things of that nature .
Speaker #6: People , things getting done by additional folks . And so there's been a lot of control around expenses right up until the , the , the merger on , on September 1st .
Speaker #6: And both companies have done an excellent job of controlling those expenses and not and not spending a lot of money . Then you had September 1st come and there are a lot of senior senior people and , you know , even even department leaders that that were let go on on the first day .
Speaker #6: So they exercise their change control . Their contracts , and they're gone . So while the number of people and there's quite a few people , right .
Carl Carlson: They exercised their change of control or their contracts, and they're gone. While the number of people, and there's quite a few people right day one, those are pretty high salary numbers and bonuses and things of that nature, benefits. Those came right out of the run rate September 1. That's a nice pickup. There's still some savings and synergies to be had on all the contracts and things of that nature, vendors that we use, professional services that we use. Those things are still going on. As we get through to conversion, we'll be able to realize on those. There's another staffing reduction at that time.
Speaker #6: Day one , you know , those are those are pretty high salaried numbers and bonuses and things of that nature benefits . And so those those came right out of the run rate September 1st .
Speaker #6: So that's a nice pickup. Now, there's still some savings and synergies to be had on all the contracts and things of that nature.
Speaker #6: Vendors that we use professional services that we use . And so those things are still going on . And as we get through to conversion , we'll be able to realize on those and and then there's another , you know , staffing , staffing reduction at that time .
Speaker #5: Just to put some numbers around it for you, Dave. We're down almost a couple of hundred people in the combined company since a little bit before the combination actually came to fruition.
Paul Perrault: Just to put some numbers around it for you, David, we're down almost a couple of hundred people in the combined company since a little bit before the combination actually came to fruition, and scheduled to let go post-conversion at some point is almost another hundred. We're being very methodical about it. As Carl pointed out, there's a fair number of those people who have already left who were highly paid.
Speaker #5: And scheduled to let go post at some point is almost another 100 . And so we're being very methodical about it . And as Carl pointed out , there's a fair number of those people who have already left who were highly paid .
Speaker #5: .
Speaker #13: Right , right . And then so when we look at the fourth quarter , the 130 is probably a good run rate . Maybe .
[Analyst]: Right. When we look at the fourth quarter, the $130 million is probably a good run rate. I don't know if there's going to be more core expenses seasonally in the fourth quarter. I'm just kind of wondering what the core number of the fourth quarter range would be. The last question would be on slide 11. That $119.8 million kind of Q2 expense number, we should probably add in the $8 million of the amortization on top of that to get the all-in expense.
Speaker #13: I don't know if there are going to be more expenses or if expenses will be seasonal in the fourth quarter. So I'm just kind of wondering what the core number for the fourth quarter range would be.
Speaker #13: And then the last question would be on slide 11 , that one 19.8 kind of to Q expense number , we should probably add in the eight 8 million of the amortization on top of that , to get the all in expense .
Speaker #6: That's correct. That's correct.
Carl Carlson: That's correct. That's correct.
Speaker #13: Yeah .
Speaker #6: Okay . What I want to add , I mean , there's a million moving parts on this thing , as you can imagine .
[Analyst]: Yeah.
Carl Carlson: What I want to add, I mean, there's a million moving parts on this thing, as you can imagine. Whether it's aligning the benefits across the organization, it's aligning salaries across the organization, just things of that nature. There are positions that needed to be filled that have been postponed. We've postponed them even further because we're not hiring anybody in December because we're doing payroll conversion at that time. There's a lot of things going on, but there's positions that we're going to have to fill. That $119.8 million is something that the management team is committed to delivering on, and we're working very hard to make sure that happens.
Speaker #6: And whether it's , it's it's aligning the benefits across the organization . It's aligning salaries across organization . There's things of that nature .
Speaker #6: But there are there are positions that needed to be filled that have been postponed . And of course , we've we've postponed them even further because we're not hiring anybody .
Speaker #6: In December because we're doing , doing payroll conversion at that time . So there's a lot of things going on , but there's some there's positions that we're going to have to fill .
Speaker #6: And so that $119 million is something that the management team is committed to delivering on. And we're working very hard to make sure that happens.
Speaker #6: And we're close. And I think I don't see a reason why we're not going to hit that. And perhaps do better.
Paul Perrault: They're close.
Carl Carlson: I don't see a reason why we're not going to hit that and perhaps do better.
Speaker #13: And then for the fourth quarter , should we is 130 kind of a a decent for that or should we , should we up that a little bit before it goes down .
[Analyst]: For the fourth quarter, is $130 million kind of a decent for that, or should we up that a little bit before it goes down?
Speaker #6: No I would , I think I would use that number for now . I , I couldn't really give you I don't see a real reason why it would vary too much off of September .
Carl Carlson: No, I think I would use that number for now. I couldn't really give you that. I don't see a real reason why it would vary too much off of September. I didn't really do a deep dive on that, but I think that should be pretty accurate, including the intangible amortization.
Speaker #6: I didn't really do a deep dive on that . But I think that's that should be pretty accurate , including including the intangible amortization .
Speaker #13: Right . Great . Okay . Thank you . Very helpful .
Paul Perrault: Right. Great. Okay. Thank you. Very helpful.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Laurie Hunsicker with Seaport Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Lori Hunziker with Seaport Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #14: Yeah . Hi . Thanks . Good afternoon . Yeah ,
[Operator]: Hi, thanks. Good afternoon.
Speaker #5: Laurie .
Paul Perrault: Hey, Lori.
Speaker #14: Laurie , I just I just wanted to clarify this . The 119.8 million on page 11 , there that does or does not include the amortization expense .
[Operator]: I just wanted to clarify this. The $119.8 million on page 11 there, that does or does not include the amortization expense?
Speaker #6: It does not. That's operating costs.
Carl Carlson: It does not. It's operating cost.
Speaker #14: Gotcha . Okay . Just I just wanted to double check . Okay . And then same thing when we look at the margin , the 390 to 4% that you're guiding , that does include accretion income to the rate of an estimated 15 to 20 million per quarter .
[Operator]: Gotcha. Okay. I just wanted to double-check. Okay. When we look at the margin, the 3.90% to 4% that you're guiding, that does include accretion income to the rate of an estimated $15 million to $20 million per quarter?
Speaker #6: Yes , it does .
Carl Carlson: Yes, it does.
Speaker #14: Okay, okay. And then just your comments here at the bottom of page 11, can you expand a little bit on that?
[Operator]: Okay. Okay. Just your comments here at the bottom of page 11, can you expand a little bit on that, Paul and Carl, that management will continue to explore opportunities to optimize the balance sheet and capital structure over the next few quarters? Just help us think about that.
Speaker #14: Paul and Carl stated that management will continue to explore opportunities to optimize the balance sheet and capital structure over the next few quarters.
Speaker #14: Just help us think about that.
Speaker #6: Band on that a little bit . I think I said it earlier , I wanted to keep my options open here and okay , I think for , you know , and I want to get this is something we will discuss with the board more , more fully and size it correctly .
Carl Carlson: Expand on that a little bit. I think I said earlier, I wanted to keep my options open here. I think for this, we will discuss with the board more fully and size it correctly. As you know, both organizations had sub-debt outstanding, and it's something that we will probably look to refinance sometime during 2026. I don't want every single banker in the world calling me, but that's something that we will be looking to explore. I think we'd like to get a nice clean quarter behind us before we move forward with that.
Speaker #6: But as you know , we both both organizations had some debt . Outstanding . And it's something that we we will probably look to refinance sometime during 2026 .
Speaker #6: I don't want every single banker in the in the world calling me , but that's something that that will be we will we will be looking to explore that .
Speaker #6: And I think we’d like to get a nice, clean quarter behind us before we move forward with that.
Speaker #14: Okay . And then just to clarify , no , no spot secondary anywhere in the future , is that correct ?
[Operator]: Okay. Just to clarify, no spot secondary anywhere in the future. Is that correct?
Speaker #6: We have nothing approved yet, okay.
Carl Carlson: No, we have nothing approved yet.
Speaker #14: All right. And then on the diluted income statement share count, I just want to make sure I have this right. It dropped by approximately 1,000,006 in September.
[Operator]: All right. On diluted income statement share count, I just want to make sure I have this right. It dropped $1.6 million or so in September. It's going down another $3.6 million, just the accounting, right? Diluted income statement share count will be about 84 million. Is that correct, or is my math off on that?
Speaker #14: It's going down another 3.6 million . Just the accounting . Right . So it takes diluted income statement share count will be about 84 million .
Speaker #14: Is that correct, or is my math off on that?
Speaker #6: No I think I think that's where where folks got a little bit tricked up when when it was Berkshire as the legal acquirer and and Brookline as the , the accounting acquirer .
Carl Carlson: No, I think that's where folks got a little bit tricked up. When it was Berkshire as the legal acquirer and Brookline as the accounting acquirer, and they were using the Berkshire share count. Then the combined, it was really two months of Brookline's share count and then the combined. The combined share count's around 84 million shares on a diluted basis.
Speaker #6: And they were using the , the Berkshire share count and then and then the combined it it was really , you know , two months of Brookline's share count and then the combined .
Speaker #6: So the combined share count is around $84 million , 84 million shares , 84 on a diluted on a diluted basis .
Speaker #14: That's perfect . Okay , good . And then by the way , I appreciate so much all of your detail you kept everything that you had in there that we loved as Brookline .
[Operator]: That's perfect. Okay. Good. By the way, I appreciate so much all of your detail. You kept everything that you had in there that we loved as Brookline, and you added more stuff. Just great. Going to slide 14, can you help us think a little bit about this? This is a smaller line item, but Firestone that came over with Berkshire Hills, what are you doing with that? Is that discontinued also?
Speaker #14: And you added more stuff . So just great . But just going to slide 14 . Can you help us think a little bit about this is a smaller line item , but Firestone that came over with Berkshire Hills , what are you doing with that ?
Speaker #14: Is that discontinued also ?
Speaker #5: Yes. Just going to run off.
Paul Perrault: Yes, just going to run off.
Speaker #8: It's about 23 million .
Carl Carlson: It's about $23 million.
Speaker #14: Okay .
Speaker #15: Good .
[Operator]: Okay. Good. Perfect. Just wanted to make sure you weren't growing it. Obviously, new here, it looks like you're discontinuing the fitness and the macro lease. That's done in $150 million, so that's great. Your charge-offs this quarter, the $15.1 million in charge-offs, do you have a breakdown as to how much of that was vehicle and how much of that was the macro lease?
Speaker #14: Perfect . Just wanted to make sure you weren't growing it okay . And then obviously obviously new here . It looks like . So you're discontinuing the fitness and the macro lease .
Speaker #14: That's that's one that's great okay . And then so your charge offs this quarter the 15.1 million in charge offs . Do you have a breakdown as to how much of that was vehicle and how much of that was the macro lease .
Speaker #8: Yeah, actually there were two large eastern funding deals in that. Neither of them were vehicle or macro lease. They were both eastern funding.
Carl Carlson: Yeah. Actually, there were two large Eastern Funding deals in that. Neither of them were vehicle or macro lease. They were both Eastern Funding, but I would say they were non-core type businesses. One was a commercial laundry, and the other was a grocery operator. Those were both long-term workouts, and those reserves had been put up over the last year or so. We thought now was the appropriate time, given where those deals are, to take those charge-offs.
Speaker #8: But I would say they were non-core type businesses . One was a commercial laundry and the other was a grocery .
Speaker #15: Okay .
Speaker #8: Operator . So yeah , those are for both long term workouts and those reserves had been put up over the last year or so .
Speaker #8: So we thought now was the appropriate time, given where those deals are, to take those charge-offs.
Speaker #15: Okay . Great . That's great . Yeah . And you talked historically about the grocery . Okay . And then the specialty .
[Operator]: Okay. That's great. We talked historically about the grocery. The specialty vehicle, what is that non-performing? Same question with the macro lease. Of your C&I equipment finance non-performers of $42 million, how much is in those two buckets?
Speaker #14: Vehicle . What is that non-performing . And same question with the macro . So of your your CNI equipment finance non performers of 42 million .
Speaker #14: How much is in those two buckets .
Speaker #8: Specialty vehicles is about $4 million .
Carl Carlson: Specialty vehicle is about $4 million.
Speaker #14: Okay .
[Operator]: Okay.
Speaker #8: That 42 is just made up of a handful of names, largely.
Carl Carlson: That 42 is just made up of a handful of names, largely.
Speaker #15: Okay .
Speaker #16: And then .
[Operator]: Okay. Do you have non-performers for that one?
Speaker #14: Macro lease, do you have non-performers for that one?
Speaker #8: I think that number's 11.
Carl Carlson: I think that number is 11.
Speaker #6: So 1313 .
Paul Perrault: No, 13.
Speaker #8: Sorry . .
Carl Carlson: 13. Sorry.
Speaker #14: 13 okay . Okay . That's great . And then the office detail and I appreciate the detail that you added around that . But can you just talk a little bit more .
[Operator]: Okay. That's great. The office detail, I appreciate the detail that you added around that, but can you just talk a little bit more? You had zero non-performers and you're now at $22 million. I think Mark asked the question earlier. Was this a Brookline or was this a Berkshire Hills credit? Not that it matters, just kind of curious. Also, can you comment, you had a massive jump to the criticized office? It looks like that's now $134 million. Any color on that would be great.
Speaker #14: So you had zero non-performers . And now at 22 million and I think Mark asked the question earlier , was this , was this a Brookline or was this a Berkshire Hills credit and not that it matters .
Speaker #14: It's just kind of curious . And then also , can you comment ? You had a massive jump to the criticized office . It looks like that's now 134 million .
Speaker #14: Just any color on that would be great.
Speaker #8: Yeah . The the the deal that we mentioned earlier , the downtown office that moved the Non-accrual number was was a legacy Brookline account .
Carl Carlson: Yeah. The deal that we mentioned earlier, the downtown office that moved the non-accrual number was a legacy Brookline account.
Speaker #14: Okay . And so then you had it looks like then you had another 10 million or so . Go non-performing from yearbook . Is that right ?
[Operator]: Okay. It looks like you had another $10 million or so go non-performing from your book. Is that right?
Speaker #8: Yeah . That sounds about .
Carl Carlson: Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker #17: Right .
Speaker #14: Okay. Okay. And then the criticism there, the $134 million. Is any of that coming due in the next couple of quarters or any color on that?
[Operator]: Okay. Okay. The criticized there, the $134 million, is any of that coming due in the next couple of quarters or any color on that?
Speaker #8: In terms of office, we have two loans that are coming due over the next couple of quarters that are in the criticized bucket.
Carl Carlson: In terms of office, we have two loans that are coming due over the next couple of quarters that are in the criticized bucket. Those loans are on short-term maturities at this point. We're well reserved on both of those loans, and we expect some resolution of them over the coming quarters.
Speaker #8: Those loans are on short-term maturities at this point. We're well reserved on both of those loans, and we expect some resolution to them over the coming quarters.
Speaker #14: Okay. And what is the amount on those?
[Operator]: Okay, what is the amount on those?
Speaker #8: About 30 million in total .
Carl Carlson: About $30 million in total.
Speaker #16: Okay .
[Operator]: $30 million. Okay. In total. Great. Okay. Do you happen to have the occupancies there on those?
Speaker #14: In total . Great . Okay . And then do you happen to have the occupancy there on those ?
Speaker #8: I don't off the top of my head . No . Sorry .
Carl Carlson: I don't off the top of my head, no. Sorry.
Speaker #14: Okay, okay. I think you hit all my questions. Thank you so much for all the details; I appreciate it.
[Operator]: Okay. I think you hit all my questions. Thank you so much for all the details. I appreciate it.
Speaker #6: Thanks .
Carl Carlson: Thanks, Lori.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of David Conrad with KD. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of David Conrad with KDW. Please go ahead.
Speaker #13: Thank you for letting me jump back on. I just had a follow-up on slide 11, with the first count increase expected to be 15 to 20 per quarter.
Paul Perrault: Thank you for letting me jump back on. Just had a follow-up on slide 11 with the purchase accounting accretion expected to be 15 to 20 per quarter. Just wanted to kind of clarify to make sure if you did adopt the new FASB rule, would we think of that range as being more like 11 to 16, or is that range contemplating the change of the accounting?
Speaker #13: Just wanted to kind of clarify to make sure if you did adopt the new Faseb rule , would we think of that range of being more like 11 to 16 , or is that range contemplating the change of the the accounting ?
Speaker #6: It does contemplate the change in accounting , but again , this is an estimate . It's the best the best look because just so you know we that's done at the loan level .
Carl Carlson: It does contemplate the change in accounting. Again, this is an estimate. It's the best look because, just so you know, that's done at the loan level, the individual loan level, and it can be very volatile based on prepayments and things of that nature.
Speaker #6: The individual loan level . And so it can be very volatile based on prepayments and things of that nature .
Speaker #13: Right . Right . Definitely okay . Thank you .
Paul Perrault: Right. Right. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler . Please go ahead . Mr. Fitzgibbon , your line is open .
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Mr. Fitzgibbon, your line is open. There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Paul Perrault for closing remarks.
Speaker #3: There are no further questions at this time . I will now turn the call back over to Paul Perrault for closing remarks .
Speaker #5: Thank you . Gene , and thank you all for joining us . And we look forward to talking with you again next quarter .
Paul Perrault: Thank you, Gene. Thank you all for joining us. We look forward to talking with you again next quarter. Good day.
Speaker #5: Good day .
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.