Q3 2025 Penske Automotive Group Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good afternoon . Welcome to the Penske Automotive Group . Third quarter 2020 earnings conference call . Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay approximately one hour after completion through November 5th , 2025 on the company's website .
Speaker #3: Under the Investors tab at WWE Penske Automotive Group Inc., I would now like to introduce Tony Jordan, the company's Executive Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Development.
Speaker #3: Sir, please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Thank you . Rob . Good afternoon , everyone , and thank you for joining us today . A press release detailing Penske Automotive Group's third quarter 2020 financial results was issued this morning and is posted on our website , along with the presentation designed to assist you in understanding the company's results .
Tony Pordon: Thank you, Rob. Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for joining us today. A press release detailing Penske Automotive Group Inc.'s third quarter 2025 financial results was issued this morning and is posted on our website along with a presentation designed to assist you in understanding the company's results. As always, I'm available by email or phone for any follow-up questions you may have. Joining me for today's call are Roger Penske, our Chair and CEO; Shelley Hulgrave, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Rich Shearing, President, North American Operations; Randall Seymore, President, International Operations; and Tony Faccione, Vice President and Corporate Controller. We may include forward-looking statements on today's call about our earnings potential, outlook, and other future events. We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures such as EBITDA. Our future results may vary from our expectations because of risks and uncertainties outlined in today's press release.
Speaker #4: As always , I'm available by email or phone for any follow up questions you may have . Joining me for today's call are Roger Penske , our chair and CEO .
Speaker #4: Michelle Hulgrave EVP and Chief Financial Officer . Richard Shearing . North American Operations . Randall Seymore international operations . And Tony , our vice president and corporate controller .
Speaker #4: We may include forward looking statements on today's call about our earnings potential , outlook and other future events , and we may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures , such as EBITDA , our future results may vary from our expectations because of risks and uncertainties outlined in today's press release .
Speaker #4: We have also prominently presented and reconciled any non-GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures. In this morning's press release and the investor presentation, both of which are available on our website.
Tony Pordon: We have also prominently presented and reconciled any non-GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures in this morning's press release and the investor presentation, both of which are available on our website. Our future results may vary from our expectations because of risks and uncertainties outlined in today's press release. Under forward-looking statements, I also direct you to our SEC filings, including our Form 10-K and previously filed Form 10-Qs, for additional discussion and factors that could cause future results to differ materially from expectations at this time. I'll now turn the call over to Roger Penske.
Speaker #4: Our future results may vary from our expectations because of risks and uncertainties outlined in today's press release . Under forward looking statements . I also direct you to our SEC filings , including our form 10-K and previously filed form 10-q , for additional discussion and factors that could cause future results to differ materially from expectations .
Speaker #4: At this time, I'll now turn the call over to Roger Penske.
Speaker #5: Thank you . Tony . Good afternoon everyone . I'm pleased with the performance of P&G during Q3 . Our teams navigated through several challenges across our business and delivered solid results .
Roger Penske: Thank you, Tony. Good afternoon everyone. I'm pleased with the performance of Penske Automotive Group Inc. during Q3. Our teams navigated through several challenges across our business and delivered solid results. Q3 revenue was $7.7 billion, up 1% for the quarter. EBT was $292 million. Net income $213 million and earnings per share $3.23. Retail automotive same store revenue increased 5% which included a 5% increase in service and parts revenue, partially offset by approximately $200 million of annualized revenue of strategic divestitures and dealership closures made during the last year. Q3 each year typically is impacted by seasonality as we navigate the change to a new model year. This year seasonality was coupled with the expiration of EV tax credit in the U.S. which drove a higher penetration of BEV sales during the quarter to more than 10% of our total sales.
Speaker #5: Q3 revenue was $7.7 billion, up 1% for the quarter. EBITDA was $292 million. Net income was $213 million, and earnings per share were $3.23.
Speaker #5: Retail . Automotive . Same store revenue increased 5% , which included a 5% increase in service and parts revenue , partially offset by approximately 200 million of annualized revenue of strategic divestitures and dealership closures made during the last year .
Speaker #5: Q3 is typically impacted by seasonality as we navigate the change to a new model year. This year, seasonality was coupled with the expiration of the EV tax credit in the U.S., which drove a higher penetration of BEV sales during the quarter to more than 10% of our total sales.
Speaker #5: And that's up from 6% to 7% in previous quarters. The average discount from MSRP on BEVs we sold in the U.S. in Q3 was $7,100.
Roger Penske: That's up from 6% to 7% in previous quarters. The average discount from MSRP on BEV we sold in the U.S. in Q3 was $7,100. We estimate the higher percentage of BEV sold during the quarter reduced total new vehicle gross per unit by approximately $100. The U.S. retail automotive business was strong during Q3 as same store new units delivered increased 9% and revenue increased $300 million or nearly 10%. The strong U.S. performance was offset by two areas, the first the UK retail automotive and retail commercial trucking businesses. In the UK, a cyber incident at Jaguar Land Rover impacted the delivery of new vehicles during the September registration period as well as an interruption to our service and parts business. We estimate the impact reduced the total new gross per unit by approximately $61. Gross per new unit retail in Q3 was $4,726.
Speaker #5: We estimate that the higher percentage of Bev sold during the quarter reduced total new vehicle gross per unit by approximately $100. The U.S. retail automotive business was strong during Q3, as same-store new units delivered increased 9%, and revenue increased $300 million, or nearly 10%.
Speaker #5: The strong US performance was offset by two areas . The first , the UK retail , automotive and retail commercial trucking businesses in the UK , a cyber incident at Land Rover impacted the delivery of new vehicles during the September registration period , as well as an interruption to our service and parts business .
Speaker #5: We estimate that the impact reduced the total new gross per unit by approximately $61. The gross per unit retailed in Q3 was $4,726, so we add back the impact of the higher mix of Bev units during the quarter and the impact of Land Rover gross for new units.
Roger Penske: To add back the impact of a higher mix of BEV units during the quarter and the impact of Jaguar Land Rover gross per new unit we have been approximately $150 per unit higher. In addition to the cyber incidents, higher costs for government mandated social programs in the UK drove higher SGA costs. That impact of these two events drove the reduction in EBT to approximately $5 million during the quarter. Also, the challenging freight factor backdrop continues to impact commercial truck sales and service and parts. As a result, Premier Truck Group same store unit sales declined 19% during Q3 and EBT declined $15 million.
Speaker #5: We have been approximately $150 per unit higher. In addition to the cyber incidents, higher costs for government-mandated social programs in the UK drove higher costs than it.
Speaker #5: The impact of these two events drove the reduction in ET of approximately 5 million during the quarter. Also, the challenging freight backdrop continues to impact commercial truck sales and service in parts.
Speaker #5: As a result , Pttg same store unit sales declined 19% during Q3 and ET declined 15 million . In summary , we estimate the impact the during the third quarter was approximately 23 million , or $0.25 per share , outlining it .
Roger Penske: In summary, we estimate the impact EBT during the third quarter was approximately $23 million or $0.25 per share outlining a Jaguar Land Rover cyber incident $4 million, our social programs $2 to $3 million, Premier Truck Group freight and tariff impacts $15 million and we had a higher bad debt expense at Premier Truck Group of approximately $2 million. Our teams have taken action to reduce the impact from these macro events through various initiatives including headcount reduction driving efficiencies which should benefit future periods. Let me now turn it over to Rich Shearing to discuss our North American operations.
Speaker #5: JLR cyber incident 4 million . Our social programs 2 to 3 million . Premier truck , freight and tariff impacts 15 million . And we had a higher bad debt expense at approximately two .
Speaker #5: Our teams have taken action to reduce the impact from these macro events through various initiatives , including headcount reduction , driving efficiencies , which should benefit future periods .
Speaker #5: Let me now turn it over to Richard Shearing to discuss our North American operations.
Speaker #4: Thank you , Roger .
Rich Shearing: Thank you, Roger, and good afternoon, everyone. As Roger indicated, our U.S. automotive retail business was strong during the third quarter. Same store new and used unit sales increased 5%, with new increasing 9% and used increasing 1%. During the quarter, 26% of new units sold were at MSRP compared to 32% in the third quarter last year. Used vehicle sales continue to be constrained by fewer lease returns, and we expect the lower level of lease return maturities to bottom this year and begin improving in 2026. We further expect franchise dealers in particular to benefit from these increasing lease returns. For used vehicle sourcing, our U.S. same store service and parts revenue increased 6%, and related gross profit increased 8%. Same store gross margin also increased 120 basis points. Customer pay gross was up 5%, and warranty was up 15% on average.
Speaker #6: And good afternoon, everyone. As Roger indicated, our U.S. automotive retail business was strong during the third quarter. Same-store, new and used unit sales increased by 5%, with new increasing by 9% and used increasing by 1% during the quarter.
Speaker #6: 26% of new units sold were at MSRP , compared to 32% in the third quarter last year . Used vehicle sales continued to be constrained by fewer lease returns , and we expect the lower level of lease return maturities to bottom this year and begin improving in 2026 .
Speaker #6: We further expect franchise dealers in particular , to benefit from these increasing lease returns for used vehicle sourcing . Our US same store service and parts revenue increased 6% , and related gross profit increased 8% .
Speaker #6: Same store gross margin also increased 120 basis points . Customer pay gross was up 5% and warranty was up 15% on average . In the US , we estimate our automotive technicians generate approximately 30,000 of gross profit per month .
Rich Shearing: In the U.S., we estimate our automotive technicians generate approximately $30,000 of gross profit per month. Our automotive technician count is up 2% when compared to the end of September last year. While automotive service and parts revenue and gross profit is at a record level, we continue to focus on driving higher utilization of our bays and increasing fixed cost absorption, and in Q3 our U.S. fixed cost absorption increased 380 basis points. Turning to Premier Truck Group, we operate 45 locations and remain one of the largest commercial truck retailers for Daimler Trucks North America. As Roger indicated, EBT declined $15 million when compared to Q3 last year as the prolonged recessionary freight environment impacted orders, new and used unit sales, and fixed operations.
Speaker #6: Our automotive technician count is up 2% when compared to the end of September last year , while automotive service and parts revenue and gross profit is at a record level , we continue to focus on driving higher utilization of our bays and increasing fixed costs .
Speaker #6: And in Q3, our U.S. fixed cost absorption increased 380 basis points. Turning to Premier Truck Group, we operate 45 locations and remain one of the largest commercial truck retailers for Daimler Trucks North America.
Speaker #6: As Roger indicated, ET declined $15 million when compared to Q3 last year, as the prolonged recessionary freight environment impacted orders. New and used unit sales and fixed operations tariffs pulled some orders previously scheduled for delivery in Q3 up to the second quarter, while other customers remain on the sidelines due to Section 232 tariffs and the ultimate resolution of the EPA 2027 Emissions Regulations.
Rich Shearing: Tariffs pulled some orders previously scheduled for delivery in Q3 up to the second quarter, while other customers remain on the sidelines due to Section 232 tariffs and ultimate resolution of the EPA 2027 emissions regulations. As a result, the Class 8 market saw a 30% decline in orders and a 22% decline in retail sales during Q3. At the same time, industry backlog dropped 24% to approximately 88,000 units, or four months of replacement demand during Q3. Premier Truck Group was in line with the industry as new and used unit sales declined 19%. Service and parts revenue declined 3% as lower freight volumes caused customers to defer repairs and maintenance to future periods.
Speaker #6: As a result , the class eight market saw a 30% decline in orders and a 22% decline in retail sales during Q3 . At the same time , industry backlog dropped 24% to approximately 88,000 units , or four months of replacement demand during Q3 .
Speaker #6: Premier Truck Truck Group was in line with the industry as new and used unit sales declined 19% . Service and parts revenue declined 3% as lower freight volumes caused customers to defer repairs and maintenance to future periods .
Speaker #6: Premier Truck Group remains one of the core pillars of the Penske Automotive Group. This diversification story continues to develop as we adjust our cost structure to align with the current level of business, and we are well positioned for the inevitable rebound.
Rich Shearing: Premier Truck Group remains one of the core pillars to the Penske Automotive Group diversification story, and we continue to adjust our cost structure to a level of business and are well positioned for inevitable rebound. Turning to Penske Transportation Solutions, the freight environment also impacts the full service, lease, rental, and logistic operations of PTS. During Q3, operating revenue declined 3% to $2.7 billion. Full service revenue, contract maintenance, and logistics revenue was flat, while rental revenue declined 14%. In Q3, PTS sold 10,600 units and ended the quarter with 405,000 units, down from 414,000 units at the end of June. During the quarter, PTS incurred an increase in bad debt expense on its rental business of approximately $7.5 million from higher write-offs related to the freight environment. That increase impacted the PAG equity income by approximately $2.2 million during the quarter.
Speaker #6: Turning to Penske Transportation Solutions , the freight environment also impacts the full service lease , rental and logistic operations of RTS during Q3 , operating revenue declined 3% to 2.7 billion .
Speaker #6: Full service revenue , contract maintenance and logistics revenue was flat , while rental revenue declined 14% in Q3 . RTS sold 10,600 units and ended the quarter with 405,000 units , down from 414,000 units at the end of June .
Speaker #6: During the quarter, RTS incurred an increase in bad debt expense on its rental business of approximately $7.5 million from higher write-offs related to the freight environment. That increase impacted the PAG equity income by approximately $2.2 million.
Speaker #6: During the quarter, despite these challenges, equity earnings from RTS were $58 million, only down $2 million from the $60 million we reported in Q3 last year.
Rich Shearing: Despite these challenges, equity earnings from PTS were $58 million, down $2 million from the $60 million we reported in Q3 last year. As PTS has been aggressive in right sizing its fleet, reducing expenses, and preparing for the rebound in the freight environment, I would now like to turn the call over to Randall Seymore to discuss our international operations.
Speaker #6: As RTS has been aggressive in rightsizing its fleet , reducing expenses and preparing for the rebound in the freight environment , I would now like to turn the call over to Randall Seymore to discuss our international operations .
Speaker #4: Thanks , Rich .
Speaker #7: And good afternoon , everyone . During Q3 , international revenue was 2.9 billion in the UK . The macro operating environment remains challenging as inflation , interest rates , higher taxes , consumer affordability and the government pushed towards electrification impacts the overall market during Q3 , the number of same store units we delivered declined by 7% as the zero emission mandates , the cybersecurity incident at JLR and the previously discussed , disposed or closed dealerships impacted our new unit sales factor , unit volume at JLR was down approximately 700 units in Q3 2025 when compared to the same period last year .
Randall Seymore: Thanks Rich and good afternoon everyone. During Q3, international revenue was $2.9 billion in the UK. The macro operating environment remains challenging as inflation, interest rates, higher taxes, consumer affordability, and the government push towards electrification impacts the overall market. During Q3, the number of same store units we delivered declined by 7% as the zero emission mandates, the cybersecurity incident at Jaguar Land Rover, and the previously discussed disposed or closed dealerships impacted our new unit sales. In fact, our unit volume at Jaguar Land Rover was down approximately 700 units in Q3 2023 when compared to the same period last year. Despite the challenging operating environment, the loss of Jaguar Land Rover units during Q3, new vehicle grosses only declined $163 per unit.
Speaker #7: Despite the challenging operating environment , the loss of JLR units during Q3 , new vehicle gross is only declined $163 per unit . Turning to used cars , our same store used units declined 8% as we closed or sold four locations in realigned the U.K.
Randall Seymore: Turning to used cars, our same store used units declined 8% as we closed or sold four locations and realigned the UK CarShop used only dealerships to Sytner Select last year. We have now reached the one year anniversary of making the change to Sytner Select. As a result of this change and better management of used cars, total used gross profit in the UK increased 19%, contributing to the overall increase in used vehicle gross per unit service and same store revenue. Service and parts same store revenue was flat during Q3 while gross profit increased 4%, including a 270 basis point increase on gross margin. We also have operations in Italy, Germany, and Japan, and these businesses generated an increase in revenue of 23% during Q3 and an EBT increase of 54%.
Speaker #7: Car shop used only dealerships to sit in or select. Last year, we have now reached the one-year anniversary of making the change to select.
Speaker #7: As a result of this change in better management of used cars, total used gross profit in the U.K. increased 19%, contributing to the overall increase in used vehicle gross per unit, service, and same-store revenue, service and parts.
Speaker #7: Same store revenue was flat during Q3 , while gross profit increased 4% , including a 270 basis point increase on gross margin . We also have operations in Italy , Germany and Japan , and these businesses generated an increase in revenue of 23% during Q3 and an increase of 54% as we look to future opportunities in the U.K.
Randall Seymore: As we look to future opportunities in the UK and Europe, we opened our first Chinese brand locations. We will have eight dealerships co-located in our Sytner Select locations as we look to drive further efficiencies to augment the investments at those sites. Turning to Australia, we operate three Porsche dealerships in Melbourne and distribute heavy duty trucks and power systems through a network of more than 20 dealers across Australia. The Porsche dealerships are fully integrated and performing well. We have sold 1,700 vehicles year to date and during Q3 the used to new ratio grew to 1.4 to 1 and fixed absorption increased 250 basis points. We utilize our existing scale of the commercial vehicle and power systems business in Australia to leverage costs while executing our one ecosystem strategy, which provides for a superior customer experience for the Australian commercial vehicle and power system business.
Speaker #7: And Europe. We opened our first Chinese brand locations. We will have eight dealerships co-located in our Sytner Select locations. As we look to drive further efficiencies to augment the investments at those sites.
Speaker #7: Turning to Australia, we operate three Porsche dealerships in Melbourne and distribute heavy-duty trucks and power systems through a network of more than 20 dealers across Australia.
Speaker #7: The Porsche dealerships are fully integrated and performing well. We have sold 1,700 vehicles year to date, and during Q3, the used-to-new ratio grew to 1.4 to 1, and fixed operations fixed absorption increased by 250 basis points.
Speaker #7: We utilize our existing scale of the commercial vehicle and power systems business in Australia to leverage costs, while executing our One Ecosystem strategy, which provides for a superior customer experience for the Australian commercial vehicle and power system business.
Speaker #7: We are diversified, with revenue and gross profit split approximately 50/50 between on-highway and off-highway markets. We are really pleased with the growth we see in Australia.
Randall Seymore: We are diversified with revenue and gross profit split approximately 50/50 between on and off highway markets. We are really pleased with the growth we see in Australia. In fact, the recent announcement of rare earth minerals deal between Australia and the U.S. should help drive further growth in the off highway mining segment. The Defense and Energy Solutions segments provide us with additional opportunities. In Defense we have in service support contracts on a variety of applications ranging from infantry fighting vehicles to frigates, destroyers, and armed personnel carriers. In Energy Solutions we believe we are at the forefront of a rapidly growing segment that provides power solutions for data centers to support the future growth of artificial intelligence. Data centers require robust infrastructure with reliable power at the core of its operation. The engines and support we provide will be critical as this segment evolves.
Speaker #7: In fact, the recent announcement of a rare earth minerals deal between Australia and the U.S. should help drive further growth in the off-highway mining segment.
Speaker #7: The Defense and Energy Solutions segments provide us with additional opportunities in defense . We have in-service support contracts on a variety of applications , ranging from infantry fighting vehicles to frigates , destroyers and armoured personnel carriers in energy Solutions , we believe we are at the forefront of a rapidly growing segment that provide power solutions for data centers to support the future growth of artificial intelligence .
Speaker #7: Data centers require robust infrastructure, with reliable power at the core of their operation. The engine and support we provide will be critical as this segment evolves.
Speaker #7: We see the potential for our energy solutions business in Australia to generate at least $1 billion in revenue by 2030. I would now like to turn the call over to Michelle Hulgrave to review our cash flow, balance sheet, and capital allocation.
Randall Seymore: We see the potential for our Energy Solutions business in Australia to generate at least $1 billion in revenue by 2030. I would now like to turn the call over to Shelley Hulgrave to review our cash flow, balance sheet, and capital allocation.
Speaker #8: Thank you Randall . Good afternoon everyone . We remain committed to our diversification strategy , a best in class balance sheet and a disciplined approach to capital allocation .
Shelley Hulgrave: Thank you, Randall. Good afternoon, everyone. We remain committed to our diversification strategy, a best-in-class balance sheet, and a disciplined approach to capital allocation while implementing efficiencies and lowering costs across our businesses. Our SG&A growth was 7.27% during Q3. The third quarter typically has a higher SG&A due to seasonality. However, Q3 SG&A growth was also impacted by the higher social program costs in the UK, the cyber incident in Jaguar Land Rover, and the lower business volume at Premier Truck Group. We believe these items contributed 120 basis points to SG&A growth during Q3. Excluding these items, SG&A growth increased by 30 basis points when compared to Q3 last year. For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated $852 million in cash flow from operations, and adjusted EBITDA was $1.1 billion.
Speaker #8: While implementing efficiencies and lowering costs across our businesses, our cost to gross was 72.7% during Q3. The third quarter typically has a higher G&A due to seasonality.
Speaker #8: However, Q3 G&A to growth was also impacted by the higher social program costs in the UK. The cyber incident and Land Rover, as well as the lower business volume at Premier Truck Group, we believe these items contributed 120 basis points to CA to growth during Q3.
Speaker #8: Excluding these items , G&A to growth increased by 30 basis points when compared to Q3 last year . For the nine months ended September 30th , 2025 , we generated $852 million in cash flow from operations and adjusted EBITDA was $1.1 billion .
Speaker #8: Our free cash flow, which is cash flow from operations after deducting capital expenditures, was $625 million on a trailing 12-month basis.
Shelley Hulgrave: Our free cash flow, which is cash flow from operations after deducting capital expenditures, was $625 million on a trailing 12-month basis. Adjusted EBITDA was over $1.5 billion, representing an increase of 3.2% compared to the same time last year. EBITDA for Q3 was $357 million. During the third quarter, we repaid $550 million of senior subordinated notes at their scheduled maturity, further reducing our non-vehicle debt. At the end of September, our non-vehicle long-term debt was $1.57 billion, which is down $281 million since the end of December last year. We have $5.6 billion total debt, of which $4 billion is floor plan and the remaining $1.6 billion is related to our 2029 senior subordinated note credit agreements and mortgages. 15% of the non-vehicle long-term debt is at fixed rates. We estimate a 25 basis point change in interest rates would impact interest expense by approximately $12 million.
Speaker #8: Adjusted EBITDA was over $1.5 billion , representing an increase of 3.2% compared to the same time last year . EBITDA for Q3 was $357 million .
Speaker #8: During the third quarter , we repaid $550 million of senior subordinated notes at their scheduled maturity , further reducing our Non-vehicle debt . At the end of September , our Non-vehicle long term debt was 1.57 billion , which is down $281 million since the end of December last year .
Speaker #8: We have $5.7 billion in total debt, of which $4 billion is floor and the remaining $1.6 billion is related to our 2029 senior sub note credit agreements and mortgages.
Speaker #8: 15% of non-vehicle long-term debt is at fixed rates. We estimate that a 25 basis point change in interest rates would impact interest expense by approximately $12 million.
Speaker #8: Debt to total capitalization improved to 21.5% from 26.2% at the end of December last year, and leverage declined to 1.0 times through September 30.
Shelley Hulgrave: Debt to total capitalization improved to 21.5% from 26.2% at the end of December last year, and leverage declined to 1.0 times. Through September 30, we paid $253 million in dividends and invested $227 million in capital expenditures. We increased our dividend by 4.5% to $1.38 per share in October, representing the 20th consecutive quarterly increase. On a forward basis, our current dividend yield is approximately 3.2% with a payout ratio of 36.5% over the last 12 months. Year to date through October 24, we repurchased 1,086,560 shares of stock for $145 million, representing approximately 1.6% of our outstanding shares. We have $262 million remaining under the existing securities repurchase authorization. Over the last four plus years we have returned over $2.5 billion to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases.
Speaker #8: We paid 253 million in dividends and invested 227 million in capital expenditures . We increased our dividend by 4.5% to $1.38 per share in October , representing the 20th consecutive quarterly increase on a forward basis , our current dividend yield is approximately 3.2% , with a payout ratio of 36.5% over the last 12 months .
Speaker #8: Year to date through October 24th, we repurchased 1,086,560 shares of stock for $145 million, representing approximately 1.6% of our outstanding shares.
Speaker #8: We have $262 million remaining under the existing securities repurchase authorization. Over the last four plus years, we have returned over $2.5 billion to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases.
Speaker #8: As part of our strategic capital allocation during the third quarter, we acquired the iconic Ferrari dealership in Modena, Italy, and we now have nine Ferrari dealerships worldwide.
Shelley Hulgrave: As part of our strategic capital allocation during the third quarter we acquired the iconic Ferrari dealership in Modena, Italy, and have nine Ferrari dealerships worldwide. This dealership is strategic to both Penske Automotive Group Inc. and Ferrari and will enhance our relationship. At the home of the Ferrari brand, we have an acquisition pipeline of over $1.5 billion of revenue. We expect to close during Q4 and expect to meet our acquired revenue target for the year. Total inventory was $4.7 billion, down $145 million from the end of June and up $65 million from the end of December 2024. Retail automotive inventory is down $9 million while commercial vehicle inventory is up $74 million. New and used inventory remains in good shape. New vehicle inventory is at a 51 day supply, including 54 days for premium and 34 days for volume.
Speaker #8: This dealership is strategic to both Penske and Ferrari and will enhance our relationships at the home of the Ferrari brand. We have an acquisition pipeline of over $1.5 billion in revenue.
Speaker #8: We expect to close during Q4 and anticipate meeting our acquired revenue target for the year. Total inventory was $4.7 billion, down $145 million from the end of June and up $65 million from the end of December 2020.
Speaker #8: For retail, automotive inventory is down $9 million, while commercial vehicle inventory is up $74 million. New and used inventory remains in good shape.
Speaker #8: New vehicle inventory is at a 51 day supply , including 54 days for premium and 34 days for volume . Foreign . Our inventory is at 12 days in the US at the end of September .
Shelley Hulgrave: For our BEV inventory, it is at 12 days in the U.S. at the end of September. Used vehicle inventory is at a 43 day supply. At the end of September, we had $80 million of cash and liquidity of $1.8 billion. At this time, I will turn the call back to Roger Penske for some final remarks.
Speaker #8: Used vehicle inventory is at a 43-day supply. At the end of September, we had $80 million in cash and liquidity of $1.8 billion.
Speaker #8: At this time, I will turn the call back to Roger for some final remarks.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Shelley. As I mentioned earlier, I continue to be pleased with our performance and remain confident in our diversified model and its ability to flex with market conditions.
Roger Penske: Thanks Shelley. As I mentioned earlier, I continue to be pleased with our performance and remain confident in our diversified model and its ability to flex market conditions. Thanks for joining the call today. We'll now open it up for your questions.
Speaker #5: Thanks for joining the call. Today, we will now open it up for your questions.
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Operator: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press Star one again. Your first question today comes from the line of Mike Ward from Citigroup. Your line is open.
Speaker #3: Your first question today comes from the line of Michael Ward from Citigroup. Your line is open.
Speaker #9: Thank you very much. Good afternoon, everybody.
Mike Ward: Thank you very much. Good afternoon everybody. Randall, I wonder if you can clarify something. You went over it kind of quickly. You mentioned eight locations with Chinese brands, and then you tied in Sytner Select together with it. What were you talking about there? Can you identify the brands you're kind of working with now with the Chinese face manufacturers?
Speaker #6: Hey Mike and Mike .
Speaker #9: Randall, I wonder if you can clarify something you went over it kind of quickly. You mentioned eight locations with Chinese brands, and then you tied in Center Select together with it.
Speaker #9: What were you talking about there? And can you identify the brands? You're kind of working with now with the China-based manufacturers?
Speaker #7: Yeah , sure . So , you know , as we made the transition from car shop to Sytner select last year , we reduced the number of these big box retail stores down to eight .
Randall Seymore: Yeah, sure. As we made the transition from CarShop to Sytner Select last year, we reduced the number of these big box retail stores down to eight. These are high quality locations. The strategy there was to have less inventory, I'd say better inventory through better source and increase our gross profit. Per the numbers we just went over, we were successful with that and happy and proud of the team and with what they've executed over there. We have the opportunity to take on some Chinese brands. Chery we've taken on in three locations. We launched that in October and then Geely we're in the process of launching right now. We'll be running in November at five other locations. These are existing locations, no capital expenditures to speak of. We've got fixed operations there. It's a really good opportunity.
Speaker #7: And so , you know , these are high quality locations . The strategy there was to have less inventory I'd say better inventory through better source .
Speaker #7: And increase our gross profit. Per the numbers we just went over, we were successful with that, and we are happy and proud of the team and what they've executed over there.
Speaker #7: But we had the opportunity to take on some Chinese brands . So cherry , we've taken on in three locations . We launched that in in October and then Geely .
Speaker #7: We're in the process of launching right now , so we'll be running in in November at five other locations . So look at these are existing locations .
Speaker #7: No capital expenditures to speak of . We've got fixed operations there . So you know , it's a really good opportunity . And then just while we're on the Chinese topic , two other locations in Germany .
Randall Seymore: While we're on the Chinese topic, two other locations in Germany. In Aachen we're going to take on BYD again at an existing location facility we already have and then MG in Heinsberg, Germany. Same thing with the location that we already have.
Speaker #7: So in Aachen, we're going to take on BYD again at an existing facility location that we already have. And then, milligrams in Heinsberg, Germany.
Speaker #7: Same thing with the location that we already have .
Speaker #5: I think Mike , also , when you think about these big box stores , these are built first class originally for car shopping .
Roger Penske: I think, Mike, also when you think about these big box stores, these are built first class originally for car shop. We've obviously changed the brand name to Sytner Select, but we're getting about 400 people coming through the store, am I right, random week? Yeah, per week. This isn't like opening up a new branch or a new dealership with no service and no sales. This gives us a chance really to duel with the Chinese brands. It's minimal, very minimal impact from the standpoint of capital expenditure.
Speaker #5: We've obviously changed the brand name to Select, but we're getting about 400 people coming through the store. By right, Randall Seymore.
Speaker #7: Yeah .
Speaker #5: Per week . So this isn't like opening up a new branch or a new dealership with no service . And no sales . This gives us a chance really , to duel with the Chinese brands and it's minimal , very minimal impact from the standpoint of capital expenditure .
Speaker #9: Okay. Wow. So you're dueling with the Chinese brands out of central select location.
Mike Ward: Okay, wow. You're dueling with the Chinese brands at a Sytner Select location.
Speaker #5: Correct ? Yeah . Maybe that's an easy way to put it . Correct .
Roger Penske: Correct. Maybe that's the easy way to put it. Correct.
Speaker #9: Okay . Rich , you talked a little bit about on the truck side . I in the big beautiful bill , there was this the tax deduction for depreciation .
Mike Ward: Okay, Rich, you talked a little bit about on the truck side in the big beautiful bill, there was this, the tax deduction for depreciation. Is that or will that have any impact on Q4 demand, or is that more of a 2026 type story?
Speaker #9: Is that, or will that, have any impact on Q demand? Or is that more of a 2026 type story?
Speaker #6: No , I think it'll have impact . In fact , the production schedule for for Dtna is closed for Q4 . So they filled their production schedule , and we saw , you know , I wouldn't say significant activity as a result of the big beautiful bill .
Rich Shearing: No, I think it'll have impact. In fact, the production schedule for DTNA is closed for Q4. They filled their production schedule, and we saw, you know, I wouldn't say significant activity as a result of the big beautiful bill. I think that was a piece of it. I also think DTNA extended the aluminum and steel tariff pricing through the end of the year. Customers who are waiting or don't want to wait to understand what the impact of Section 232 tariffs are decided to lock in that pricing from the steel and aluminum tariffs and place orders in the fourth quarter this year if they're looking for business early next year. I'd say it was a combination of those two things, Mike.
Speaker #6: I think that was a piece of it. But I also think, you know, they extended the aluminum and steel tariff pricing through the end of the year.
Speaker #6: And customers who are waiting, or don't want to wait to understand what the impact of Section 232 tariffs are, decided to lock in that pricing from the steel and aluminum tariffs in place for orders in the fourth quarter of this year, if they're looking for business early next year.
Speaker #6: So, I'd say it was a combination of those two things, Mike.
Speaker #9: So we should expect a little uptick relative to Q3 and Q4.
Mike Ward: We should expect a little uptick relative to Q3 and Q4.
Speaker #6: I think it's going to be consistent . If I look at what we've delivered on a year to date basis , you know , just over 20 , 26 or , sorry , 12,700 units .
Rich Shearing: I think it's going to be consistent. If I look at what we've delivered on a year-to-date basis, just over 20, 26, 20 or sorry, 12,700 units. You look at what our backlog is for the fourth quarter, it's going to be in line with those quarterly numbers. Of course, they've got to deliver them to us and we've got to get them retail to our customers. I think it'll be in line with what we've seen from the first three quarters.
Speaker #6: You look at what our backlog is for the fourth quarter . It's going to be in line with those quarterly numbers . Of course , you know , they've got to deliver them to us and we've got to get them retailed to our customers .
Speaker #6: But I think it would be in line with what we've seen from the first three quarters.
Speaker #9: And that's still, from the cash standpoint, that's still a positive, right? The appreciation aspect.
Mike Ward: Shelley, that's still, from the cash standpoint, that's still a positive, right? The depreciation aspect, definitely, Mike.
Speaker #8: , definitely . Mike . So it will ultimately depend on how many trucks RTS decides to buy . But I think we're still comfortably in that 125 to 50 , 150 range , especially as you look out at each of the next three years .
Shelley Hulgrave: It will ultimately depend on how many trucks PTF decides to buy. I think we're still comfortably in that 125 to 150 range, especially as you look out at each of the next three years.
Speaker #10: Well .
Mike Ward: Thank you very much.
Speaker #9: Thank you very much .
Speaker #5: Thanks, Mike. Mike.
Roger Penske: Thanks, Mike.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Rajat Gupta from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Rajat Gupta from JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Rajat . Hi .
Roger Penske: Rajat, hi.
Speaker #11: Thanks . Hey , Roger . Hey , everyone . Thanks for taking the questions . Just wanted to follow up on PTG . I appreciate the call out on the headwinds in the quarter , but it doesn't look like I mean , those headwinds are going away anytime soon .
[Analyst]: Great, thanks. Hey, Roger. Hi everyone. Thanks for the questions. Just wanted to follow up on PTG. I appreciate the call out on the headwinds in the quarter, but it doesn't look like those headwinds are going away anytime soon. I'm curious what kind of visibility you have on the cadence there bottoming out. Assuming once that business comes back, it's going to lever pretty well. I'm curious what kind of visibility do you have on the recovery there? I have a follow up.
Speaker #11: I'm curious. You know, what kind of visibility do you have on the cadence there bottoming out? Assuming that once that business comes back, it's going to leverage pretty well.
Speaker #11: But I'm curious, what kind of visibility do you have on the recovery there, and do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #6: Yeah , sure . Rich again here , I think if you look at freight rates , I think they have bottomed out . They just haven't improved .
Rich Shearing: Yeah, sure. Rajat, Rich again here. I think if you look at freight rates, I think that they have bottomed out. They just haven't improved. They've been fairly consistent the last six, nine months. The issue we've got at the moment is the capacity, meaning there's too many trucks and trailers for the goods that need to be moved. I think as I look into next year, just returning from the American Trucking Association conference, there was some discussions there that were encouraging to me. There were two executive orders written this year, one in April and one in September. They're both under the responsibility of the Department of Transportation and the FMCSA to enforce related to non-domiciled CDL holders and non-English speaking CDL holders. These two groups of CDL holders is estimated, you know, between 500,000 and 600,000 or about 6% of the total CDL driver population.
Speaker #6: So they've been fairly consistent . You know , the last six , nine months , the issue we've got at the moment is the is the capacity , meaning there's two too many trucks and trailers for the goods that need to be moved .
Speaker #6: And I think as I look into next year , just returning from the American Trucking Association conference , there was some discussions there that that were , you know , encouraging to me .
Speaker #6: So there's two executive orders written this year , one in April and one in September , and they're both under the responsibility of the Department of Transportation and the Fmcsa to to enforce related to Non-domiciled CDL holders and non-English speaking CDL holders .
Speaker #6: These two groups of CDL holders is estimated , you know , between 500 and 600,000 or about 6% of the total CDL driver population .
Speaker #6: And so, as enforcement and kind of reconciliation occurs with these CDL drivers, we think that's going to take some capacity out of the marketplace.
Rich Shearing: As enforcement and kind of reconciliation occurs with these CDL drivers, we think that's going to take some capacity out of the marketplace. What we're also hearing is that it's not a one-for-one removal because we think that a number of these CDL holders are operating illegally around electronic logging devices. If you take out one of them, it's like taking one and a half drivers out of the market. I think those two things are going to be beneficial for capacity tightening and freight rates as we go forward. The other thing I would add is obviously we're anticipating some news today on interest rates. The housing market is a significant driver of freight as well. We're about 1 million units below the 2006 peak of housing starts at the moment.
Speaker #6: What we're also hearing is that it's not a one-for-one removal, because we think that a number of these CDL holders are operating illegally around electronic logging devices.
Speaker #6: So if you take out one of them , it's it's like taking one and a half drivers . You know , out of the out of the market .
Speaker #6: So I think those two things are going to be beneficial for , for capacity tightening and freight rates as we go forward . The other thing I would add is obviously we're anticipating some news today on interest rates , housing , the housing market is a significant driver of freight as well .
Speaker #6: We're about 1 million units below the 2006 peak of housing starts at the moment . And if we get lower interest rates , you know , that could drive some activity in the housing , whether it's relocations , people becoming more mobile .
Rich Shearing: If we get lower interest rates, that could drive some activity in housing, whether it's relocations, people becoming more mobile, certainly refinancing. I think those things will be beneficial as well. As we look here in October, our fixed operations, we're still 122% fixed coverage. We are seeing that customers are only repairing what they have to repair. We are seeing our collision business is a bright spot that is up year over year. Certainly parts that are consumed as trucks go up and down the road is reduced and service activity is reduced as well from an RO count perspective.
Speaker #6: Certainly refinancing . And I think those things will be beneficial , you know , as well . And as we look here in October , you know , our fixed operations , you know , we're still 122% fixed coverage .
Speaker #6: We are seeing that customers are only repairing what they have to repair . You know , we are we are seeing our collision business is a bright spot that is up year over year , but certainly parts that are consumed is is trucks go up and down the road is reduced and service activity is is reduced as well from an account perspective .
Speaker #11: Got it , got it . That's clear . Thanks . Thanks for thanks for all the detail there . You know , maybe just to follow up on just the US parts and service business , you know , if I , if I heard you correctly , you said the UK was up 4% which would mean which would mean the US business is probably up like high single digit double digit on growth .
[Analyst]: Got it, got it. That's clear. Thanks for all the detail there. Maybe just to follow up on the U.S. parts and service business, if I heard you correctly, you said the UK was up 4%, which would mean the U.S. business is probably up like high single digit, double digits on growth. It's a pretty solid number considering you do not have the easy compares because you didn't have CDK issues last year. I'm curious, is there anything you would point out that's driving that kind of double digit growth? Is that sustainable? Anything that you're doing, company specific, that might be supporting that? Thank you.
Speaker #11: I mean , it's a pretty solid number considering you do not have the easy compares , you know , from because you didn't have CDK issues last year .
Speaker #11: I'm curious , is there anything you would point out that driving that kind of double digit growth is that sustainable ? Anything you know that you're doing company specific , you know , that might be supporting that ?
Speaker #11: Thank you .
Speaker #6: Yeah , sure . Rich here again . You know , you look at our our business same store performance . Customer pay was up 3.5% .
Rich Shearing: Yeah, sure. Rajat, Rich here. Again, you look at our business, same store performance, customer pay was up 3.5%, warranty was up over 14%, and collision is up 7.5%. I think each aspect of the fixed stops continues to perform well. I think it's a combination of a couple things. First of all, you look at the age of the car park, it continues to increase, almost at 13 years now. The average age of the vehicle we're servicing is 6.25 years of age, and then average mileage is approaching 70,000 miles as well. I think that's going to continue as even the SAAR this year is forecasted to be below historical norms. We're going to continue to see that increase. You look at what we're doing on the service lane and what we're doing with technician videos, all of these things are driving efficiencies.
Speaker #6: You know, warranty was up over 14%. And collision is up seven and a half percent. And so I think each aspect of the fixed stops continues to perform well.
Speaker #6: And I think it's a combination of a couple of things. You know, first of all, you look at the age of the car park.
Speaker #6: You know , it continues to increase almost 13 years now , the average age of the vehicle , we're servicing is six and a quarter ages or years of age .
Speaker #6: And then average mileage is approaching 70,000 miles as well. So I think, you know, that's going to continue as even the SA this year is forecasted to be below historical norms.
Speaker #6: And so we're going to continue to see that , that , that increase . You know , you look at what we're doing on the service lane , you know , and what we're doing with technician videos .
Speaker #6: All of these things are driving , you know , efficiencies we're using AI in our service scheduling and reception , answering and these are driving efficiencies which we see manifested in our effective labor rate , which is up 4% or almost $7 per hour .
Rich Shearing: We're using AI in our service scheduling and reception answering, and these are driving efficiencies which we see manifested in our effective labor rate, which is up 4% or almost $7 per hour, which comes to discounting and a focus there as well. I think all those things combined are paying dividends. Obviously, the OEMs try to mitigate recalls, but we continue to see new recalls on a monthly basis from each of the OEMs, and we'll see that warranty work, I think, continue.
Speaker #6: Which which comes to discounting and a focus there as well . So I think all those things combined , you know , are paying dividends .
Speaker #6: You know, obviously the OEMs try to mitigate recalls, but we continue to see new recalls on a monthly basis from each of the OEMs.
Speaker #6: And so we'll see that warranty work . I think , continue .
Speaker #5: I think the focus is also on Body Shop. You know, we were up significantly, both in the U.S. and internationally, and we're making investments in our return.
Roger Penske: I think the focus also on Body Shop. We were up significantly both in the U.S. and internationally, and we're making investments. Our return, Rajat, return on sales on the Body Shop, somewhere between 10% and 12%.
Speaker #5: Rajat, the return on sales for The Body Shop is somewhere between 10% and 12%.
Speaker #11: Got it , got it . If I can throw in just one quick one . You know , you mentioned like the data center , like opportunity in Australia .
[Analyst]: Got it, got it. If I can throw in just one quick one, you mentioned the data center opportunity in Australia going very well. I'm curious if there's any parallels there for you to tap into that opportunity in the U.S. at all, either through PTL or just building that business, given how much build out is happening here. I know the scale levels are very different, but any thoughts on that would be helpful.
Speaker #11: You know , you know , going very well . I'm curious . Like if there's any parallels there . You know , for you to , you know , for you to tap into that opportunity in the US at all .
Speaker #11: You know , either through PTL or just building that business , given how much build out is happening here , I know the scale levels are very different , but any thoughts on that would be helpful ?
Speaker #11: Thanks .
Operator: Thanks.
Speaker #7: Yeah , it's Randall , so yeah , this has been a the fastest growing part of our business in Australia . We've got about 60% market share .
Randall Seymore: Yeah, Rajat, it's Randall. This has been the fastest growing part of our business in Australia. We've got about 60% market share when you talk about 1250 KBI and higher. One benefit we have in Australia and New Zealand is we're the exclusive importer for that MTU product. The challenge in the U.S., and look, we've looked at opportunities in the U.S. and continue to, is it's much more fragmented where you have numerous distributors in North America, contrasting that where we're the sole distributor in Australia. Then MTU, who's the provider manufacturer of the engine, they go directly to some of the bigger players, data center players in North America, whereas everything in Australia is through us. It's a little bit hard to copy and paste it. We have a great relationship with them and evaluate opportunities as they come.
Speaker #7: When you talk about 1,250 kVA and higher, one benefit we have in Australia and New Zealand is that we're the exclusive importer for that M2 product.
Speaker #7: The challenge in the U.S. And look, we've looked at opportunities in the U.S. and continue to. But it's much more fragmented, where you have numerous distributors in North America.
Speaker #7: You know , contrasting that where we're the sole distributor in Australia and then M2 , you know , who's the provider , manufacture the engine , they go direct to some of the bigger players , data center players in North America , whereas everything in Australia is through us .
Speaker #7: So it's a little bit hard to copy and paste it. But, you know, we have a great relationship with them and evaluate opportunities as they come.
Speaker #11: Understood. Thank you. Thanks for the call and good luck.
[Analyst]: Understood, thank you. Thanks for all the color and good luck.
Speaker #5: Thanks , Richard .
Roger Penske: Thanks Rashat.
Speaker #3: Again, if you'd like to ask a question, press Star 1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Lidke from Stephens.
Operator: Again, if you'd like to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Lick from Stephens. Your line is open.
Speaker #3: Your line is open .
Speaker #12: Good afternoon everyone . Thanks for taking my question . Hi , Jeff . Jeff , question for Rich . Rich , I was wondering if there's been some a lot of comments amongst , you know , the other dealers that have reported already , you know , about where things are in luxury in October and just kind of going into the all important kind of December , you know , December to remember season .
Jeff Lick: Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my question.
Tony Pordon: Hi Jeff.
Jeff Lick: Question for Rich. Rich, I was wondering, there's been a lot of comments amongst the other dealers that have reported already about where things are in luxury in October and just kind of going into the all important December, December, remember season. I was just curious if you can just talk about where you see things playing out there and then also if you can maybe address the, you know, the GPU is down about $300 on a year over year basis. You know, where you see GPU trends heading.
Speaker #12: I was just curious if you could just talk about where you see things playing out there , and then also if you could maybe address the the GPU was down about 300 bucks on a year over year basis , where you see GPU trends heading .
Speaker #6: Yeah . So , Jeff , you look at the the Q3 start there first . You know , our premium luxury was up .
Rich Shearing: Yeah. Jeff, you look at Q3, start there first. Our premium luxury was up almost 9%. We felt good about our mix and performed well in the quarter. As you look to where we're at right now, it's certainly a brand by brand situation. Of course, we've talked on the call here about Jaguar Land Rover. If you look at where we're at when the production cyber incident occurred, we had about a 74-day supply. As I sit here today, we're down to a 39-day supply. We expect to get visibility to their wholesales and what we'll receive in the fourth quarter on November 8th when their production software system comes back online. In the interim, obviously with the demand still being high for that product, it enables us to hold price and that should be good for our grosses. That's kind of the story on Jaguar Land Rover.
Speaker #6: You know , almost 9% . You know . So we felt good about our mix and performed well in the quarter . As you look to where we're at right now , it's certainly a brand by brand situation .
Speaker #6: And of course we've talked on the call here about Jack , Land Rover . You know , if you look at , you know , where we're at when the production cyber incident occurred , we had about a 74 day supply .
Speaker #6: As I sit here today , we're down to a 39 day supply . We expect to get visibility to their wholesales . And and what we'll receive in the fourth quarter on November 8th when they're production software system comes back online .
Speaker #6: So in the interim , obviously with the demand still being high for that product , it enables us to to hold price . And that should be good for our grosses .
Speaker #6: So that's that's kind of the story on JLR . You look at Lexus , you know they've been one of the hotter luxury brands this year .
Rich Shearing: You look at Lexus, they've been one of the hotter luxury brands this year. Certainly, the launch of the GX and the TX, those models are taking a younger demographic that they really haven't played with in the past. I think they're competing neck and neck with BMW for the highest volume luxury car this year. I would expect BMW and Lexus to be pretty aggressive in the fourth quarter, incentive-wise, to try and knock down that trophy. You look at BMW, I think the challenge we have in the fourth quarter this year with BMW is the comps to last year. If you recall, last year and really into the first part of this year, they had a significant recall that impacted almost their entire model range with the integrated brake system, stop sale and fix.
Speaker #6: You know certainly the launch of the G and the DT. Those models are taking a younger demographic that they really haven't played with in the past.
Speaker #6: And I think they're competing neck and neck with BMW for the highest volume luxury car this year . So I would expect BMW and Lexus to be a pretty aggressive in the fourth quarter incentive wise , you know , to try and knock down that trophy .
Speaker #6: You look at BMW , I think the the challenge we have in the fourth quarter this year with BMW is the comps to last year , if you recall , you know , last year and really into the first part of this year , they had a significant recall that impacted almost their entire model range with the integrated brake system stop sale and fix .
Speaker #6: And it was about this time last year where all those BMWs came off , came off . Stop sale . And so the fourth quarter was was a heavy , heavy delivery schedule for BMW last year .
Rich Shearing: It was about this time last year where all those BMWs came off stop sale, and the fourth quarter was a heavy delivery schedule for BMW last year. That's kind of some color on what I'd say from a premium luxury standpoint for the fourth quarter. Going to your second question on grosses, I think Roger talked about it in his commentary. A couple things I'd say when you look sequentially or compared to Q1, you got to add back the impact from the higher BEV sales in Q3. We think that was about $100 in gross. The Jaguar Land Rover impact with the deferred deliveries, about $60. You add that $160 back, we're just under $5,000 all in, which is comparable to Q1.
Speaker #6: So that's kind of some color on what I'd say from a premium luxury standpoint , you know , for for the fourth quarter , going to your second question , you know , on grosses , you know , I think Roger talked about it in his commentary .
Speaker #6: You know, a couple of things I'd say when you look sequentially or compared to Q1: you got to add back the impact from the higher Bev sales in Q3.
Speaker #6: We think that was about $100 million in gross. And then the JLR impact with the deferred deliveries, about $60 million. So you had that $160 million back.
Speaker #6: We're just under $5,000 all in , which is comparable , you know , to to Q1 . And the reason I'm not putting Q2 in there is because that's when we had a little bit of that tariff bump as people , you know , rushed out to get cars when they we fully didn't understand what that impact was going to be and what the what the OEMs were going to pass along .
Rich Shearing: The reason I'm not putting Q2 in there is because that's when we had a little, that tariff bump as people rushed out to get cars when they, we fully didn't understand what that impact was going to be and what the OEM's going to pass along.
Speaker #5: Jeff , let me let me add a little bit here . When you think about BMW going into the fourth quarter , BMW probably in the premium side , was the most successful selling EVs .
Roger Penske: Jeff, let me add a little bit here. When you think about BMW going into the fourth quarter, BMW, probably in the premium side, was the most successful selling EVs. We're seeing this drop. If you look at October month to date, we've sold 128 total in the total U.S. versus 4,000 in Q3.
Speaker #5: So we're seeing this drop . If you look at October , your month to date , we've sold 128 total in the total US versus 4000 in in Q3 .
Speaker #5: So for the for the for the Q3 .
Rich Shearing: So.
Roger Penske: For the Q3.
Speaker #4: Q3 .
Speaker #5: Right. So when you look at that, there's going to be a pivot here because BMW, they're pulling back obviously production. Now, they're supporting it to a certain extent.
Randall Seymore: For Q3.
Tony Pordon: Right.
Roger Penske: When you look at that, there's going to be a pivot here because BMW, they're pulling back, obviously production now. They're still supporting it to a certain extent. They're going to have to fill that back with ICE units, and I think that's going to be conversion. We see California where we had sometimes 20% of our business was going to be EVs. We're going to see that have a little bit of dynamic. I think in Q4. I'm sure it'll smooth out as we go into the new product line and more of the hybrid units available for sale. Our day supply today, if you can believe it, was only 10 days. We were talking about 100 days in the past. Taking the money out, it certainly has impacted the business.
Speaker #5: They're going to have to fill that back with ICE units. And I think that's going to be conversion. Can we see the California where we had sometimes 20% of our business was going to be EVs?
Speaker #5: We're going to see that have a little bit of dynamic . I think in in Q4 . I'm sure it will smooth out as we go into the new product line and more more of the hybrid units available for sale .
Speaker #5: So, our days supply today, if you can believe it, is only 10 days. We were talking about 100 days in the past.
Speaker #5: So, taking the money out certainly has impacted the business.
Speaker #12: I appreciate that color and just kind of a quick one for Shelly Kelly on the, you know, the net kind of $150 million tax benefit.
Jeff Lick: Appreciate that color. Just kind of a quick one for Shelley. Shelley, the net kind of $150 million tax benefit you're receiving from the accelerated depreciation on the one big beautiful bill. Never get tired of saying that. Where will that show up and when will that show up in the P&L?
Speaker #12: You're receiving the accelerated depreciation on the one big beautiful bill. I never get tired of saying that. Where would that show up, and when will that show up in the P&L?
Speaker #8: I don't really get tired of talking about it either . Jeff . So it's it's cash flow . It's , you know , we are able to defer taxes , cash taxes paid .
Shelley Hulgrave: I don't really get tired of talking about it either, Jeff. It's cash flow. We are able to defer taxes, cash taxes paid. You will ultimately see that at the top of the cash flow statement under cash flow from operations, when we add back the change in deferred income taxes, it will be a positive, whereas last year it was a negative, or at least it will swing by that amount. You'll see that in cash flow from operations, and we certainly look to utilize that in our capital allocation. It does not impact income or our tax rate, though, Jeff.
Speaker #8: So you will ultimately see that at the top of the cash flow statement, under cash flow from operations, when we add back the change in deferred income taxes, it will be a positive.
Speaker #8: Whereas last year was it was a negative , or at least it will swing by by that amount . So you'll see that cash flow from operations .
Speaker #8: And we certainly look to utilize that in our capital allocation. It does not impact income or our tax rate, though. Jeff.
Speaker #8: .
Speaker #12: And does that start hitting now, or is that kind of part of it was retroactive? Correct.
Jeff Lick: Does that start hitting now or is that kind of, because I know part of it was retroactive, correct?
Speaker #8: Yeah , it was retroactive to purchases made starting January 19th of this year . You know , we would we've certainly seen it as as we've made quarterly tax estimates .
Shelley Hulgrave: Yeah, it was retroactive to purchases made starting January 19th of this year. We've certainly seen it as we've made quarterly tax estimates, but as it wasn't effective until July 4th, it didn't really have much of a cash impact until the second half of the year.
Speaker #8: But , you know , as it was an effective till July 4th , it didn't really have much of a cash impact until the second half of the year .
Speaker #12: Perfect . Thanks so much . Best of luck in the fourth quarter .
Jeff Lick: Perfect. Thanks so much. Best of luck in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #5: Thanks , Jeff .
Roger Penske: Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thanks , Jeff .
Rich Shearing: Thanks, Jeff.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of David Whiston from Morningstar. Your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from a line of David Whiston from Morningstar. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Hey , David .
Roger Penske: Hey, David.
Speaker #13: Hey , Roger . Everyone . So on the retail , use , the GPU was up over 12% to over $2,100 . And I'm just curious how much of that 12% is , is sitting there versus other variables .
Rich Shearing: Hey, Roger, everyone. On the retail used, the GPU was up over 12%, over $2,100. I'm just curious how much of that 12% is sitting there versus other variables.
Speaker #14: Could you could you repeat that , David ? It was a little hard to hear you .
Tony Pordon: Could you repeat that, David? It was a little hard to hear you.
Speaker #5: How much ?
Roger Penske: How much?
Speaker #13: Sorry .
Rich Shearing: I'm sorry.
Speaker #5: Sitting there versus the U.S. on you. Gross impact.
Roger Penske: Versus the U.S. used gross impact.
Speaker #14: It basically was this is Tony.
Rich Shearing: It basically was.
Tony Pordon: This is Tony. It basically was all coming out of Sytner.
Speaker #4: Basically, it was all coming out of Sydney.
Speaker #13: Okay .
Rich Shearing: Okay.
Speaker #4: It's coming all out of Sydney . And the change that we had with respect to the the select locations and moving the to a lower amount of inventory , but better quality used cars .
Tony Pordon: It's coming all out of Sytner and the change that we had with respect to the Sytner Select locations and moving to a lower amount of inventory but better quality used car.
Speaker #5: Yeah , the GPU , David was up 37% , up £600 for per unit , which obviously when you meld that in with the US , everything else , it's just exactly , you know what we wanted to see happen .
Roger Penske: Yeah. The GPU, David, was up 37%, up £600 per unit, which obviously, when you meld that in with the U.S. everything else, it's just exactly, you know, what we wanted to see happen. I would say that part of the Sytner Select has worked out well. When you add on the ability to see the margins, at least initially, that we're seeing somewhere in £3,000 to £3,500 on the Chinese brands, it will be interesting to see how that, you know, plays out over time when they add more dealers to see if competition would drive that down. Obviously, our big issue on used in the U.S. is acquisition. I think Rich has talked about it before, that we're going to start seeing considerably more lease returns as we look at Q4 and Q1 next year.
Speaker #5: I would say that part of the Sytner Select correct has worked out well. And when you add on the ability to see the margins, at least initially, that we're seeing somewhere in £3,000 to £3,500 on the Chinese brands, it will be interesting to see how that plays out over time when they add more dealers to see if there's a competition that drives that down.
Speaker #5: But obviously our big issue on use in the US is acquisition . And I think Rich has talked about it before , that we're going to start seeing considerably more lease returns as we look at two , four and Q1 next year .
Speaker #5: And remember that probably what today's Shelley , 55% of our new vehicles in premium are leased . So and those are three and four year leases which are perfect for us because we bring those back in .
Roger Penske: Remember that probably what today, Shelley, 55% of our new vehicles in premium are leased. Those are three and four year leases, which are perfect for us as we bring those back in. On top of that, now with the supply will be available, we'll be able to turn our loaner cars quicker. You think about Crevier out in California has 300 loaners. We turn it three times, that's 1,000 used cars that come internally. We get all the new car programs with those. Those are levers that we're pulling here as we go forward. It's a big focus. Even our CarShop business, I look at the month of September and October, we were a little off in volume because we just can't buy the right cars. Just to buy them and try rider, we're just not an 8, 9, 10 year old car supplier.
Speaker #5: And then on top of that, now with the supply that will be available, we'll be able to turn our loaner cars quicker.
Speaker #5: And you think about a outlet in California that has 300 loaners. We turn it three times. That's a thousand used cars that come internally, and we get all the new car programs with those.
Speaker #5: So those are those are levers that we're pulling here as we go forward . But it's a big focus . Even our car shop business , as I look at at the at the month of September and October , we a little off in volume because we just can't buy the right cars and just to buy them and try to .
Speaker #5: We're just not an eight , nine , ten year old car supplier . We want to be in that sweet spot . And I would say when you look at that , that's probably in the 3 to 6 year .
Roger Penske: We want to be in the sweet spot. I would say when you look at that, that's probably in the three to six year. Yeah.
Speaker #7: Yeah. One more comment on that from the UK standpoint. Certainly, the Sytner Select strategy is working, but our franchise used car gross profit is up about the same as Select.
Randall Seymore: One more comment on that. From the UK standpoint, certainly the Sytner Select strategy has worked, but our franchise used car gross profit is up about the same as Select. I think it's more of a, use the word, institutional change that we've done with our team over there. It really boils down to, if you look at our total used inventory right now, less than 1% over 90 days old. It's an age factor. It's better sourcing, so buying cars better. It's just discipline. I mean, it is intense focus on units and then agility of pricing, quickness of reconditioning. It's really a big, big effort for sure, and discipline by the team in the.
Speaker #7: So I think it's more of a I'll use the word institutional change that we've done with our team over there . And it really boils down to if you look at our total used inventory right now , less than 1% over 90 days old .
Speaker #7: So it's an age factor . Its better sourcing . So buying cars better and then it's just discipline . I mean it is intense focus on units and then agility of pricing , quickness of reconditioning .
Speaker #7: So it's it's really a a big I say a big big effort for sure . And discipline by the team in the UK .
Speaker #7: .
Speaker #4: Reducing aging has been a big part of that as well, so you didn't have to discount as much.
Roger Penske: UK, reducing aging has been a big.
Tony Pordon: Part of that as well. We did have to discount as much.
Speaker #7: Right ?
Randall Seymore: Right.
Speaker #13: Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks.
Rich Shearing: That's very helpful. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thanks , David .
Roger Penske: Thanks, David.
Speaker #3: And there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Roger Penske for some final closing remarks.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Roger Penske for some final closing remarks.
Speaker #5: Yeah . Thanks , everyone , for joining us for Q3 . We look forward to the remainder of the year , and we'll see you on the next call .
Roger Penske: Thanks everyone for joining us for Q3. We look forward to the remainder of the year, and we'll see you on the next call. All the best. Thank you.
Speaker #5: All the best. Thank you.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.