Q3 2025 Sunrun Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #5: Good afternoon and welcome to Sunrun . S third quarter earnings conference call . Please note that this call is being recorded and that one hour has been allocated for the call , including the question and answer session .

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Speaker #5: I will now turn the call over to your host Patrick Jobin Sunrun Sunrun Investor Relations Officer Thank you . You may begin .

Speaker #6: Thank you . Operator . Before we begin , please note that certain remarks we will make on this call constitute forward looking statements .

Speaker #6: Although we believe these statements reflect our best judgment based on factors currently known to us , actual results may differ materially and adversely .

Speaker #6: Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC for a more inclusive discussion of risks and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ from projections made in any forward looking statements .

Speaker #6: Please also note these statements are being made as of today , and we disclaim any obligation to update or revise them . Note during this earnings call , we may refer to certain non-GAAP measures , including cash generation and aggregate creation costs , which are not measures prepared in accordance with US GAAP and non-GAAP measures are being presented because we believe they provide investors with a means of evaluating and understanding how the company management evaluates the company's operating performance .

Speaker #6: Reconciliation of these measures can be found in our earnings press release and other investor materials available in the company's Investor Relations website . These non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation from as substitutes for , or superior to , financial measures prepared in accordance with US GAAP .

Speaker #6: On the call today are Mary Powell Sunrun , CEO , Danny Abajian Sunrun , CFO Paul Dickson Sunrun , President and Chief Revenue Officer .

Speaker #6: The presentation is available on Sunrun Investor Relations website , along with supplemental materials and audio . Replay of today's call , along with a copy of today's prepared remarks and transcript , including Q&A , will be posted to Sunrun .

Speaker #6: Investor Relations website . Shortly after the call . And now let me turn the call over to Mary .

Speaker #7: Thank you , Patrick , and thank all of you for joining us today . Our strategic focus on providing Americans a way to achieve energy independence is yielding strong results .

Speaker #7: We are generating cash while growing our customer base . We are continuing to lead the industry with superior energy offerings for homeowners , allowing them to power through grid outages and protect their households from rising energy costs .

Speaker #7: As demand is growing at the most rapid rate since World War two , fueled in large part by AI computing demand . We are also building critical energy infrastructure .

Speaker #7: The country needs . We generated $1.6 billion in top line aggregate subscriber value at the top end of our guidance range , growing 10% year over year .

Speaker #7: Contracted net value creation was 279 million , growing 35% year over year . We generated strong profitability through our market leading position in storage offerings , while also driving significant cost efficiencies and performance improvements across the business .

Speaker #7: We reported a solid upfront net subscriber value of over $3,500 , a five point margin improvement compared to the prior year , and representing a 7% margin on contracted subscriber value in the quarter .

Speaker #7: We generated 108 million in cash . Our sixth consecutive quarter of positive cash generation , given the timing of transactions , we exceeded the high end of our cash generation guidance quarter .

Speaker #7: Over the trailing four quarters . We have generated 224 million in cash . We are on track to meet our annual cash generation guidance and our reiterating the midpoint of our outlook at 350 million .

Speaker #7: We are producing these very strong results by remaining disciplined in how we balance margins and growth , while innovating and expanding all we provide for our customers .

Speaker #7: This strategy is yielding strong financial results while growing our base of customers and increasingly valuable range for the energy resources for the grid .

Speaker #7: To highlight this in Q3 , we delivered higher unit margins and considerably more cash generation . This will be amplified in Q4 as we set to produce even more cash generation , and will do so with our unwavering commitment to high quality installations and customer experience .

Speaker #7: Our energy resources are growing rapidly . We have transformed the business to be a provider of independent , reliable energy for homeowners and a formidable independent power producer .

Speaker #7: Now , with 3.7GW hours of dispatchable energy from our fleet of home batteries and over 8.2GW of solar generation capacity , as you can see on slide six .

Speaker #7: The country needs more power to meet the demands coming from data centers and AI . As electricity demand is expected to grow by more than 40% over the next 15 years , according to a recent study .

Speaker #7: Our distributed and dispatchable storage and solar resources are contributing to meet this critical energy infrastructure need . When the generation and storage capabilities of homes are aggregated , they collectively create a powerful , flexible utility scale resource for the energy system .

Speaker #7: We are not playing small scale . We are bringing the power of American homes to the grid and building the next generation of power plants .

Speaker #7: With over 217,000 storage systems installed . We are now routinely dispatching energy to provide value to the grid with 17 active programs across the country , providing 416 of power capacity over the last year .

Speaker #7: Based on these current activities , we are finding that our prior estimate of 2000 or more in incremental net present value per participating home is likely conservative .

Speaker #7: As we continue to scale storage and provide cost effective utility scale energy resources back to the grid , we expect a rapidly growing incremental cash flow stream over the coming years .

Speaker #7: We expect to have more than 10 gigawatt-hours of dispatchable energy online by the end of 2028. Technology improvements and cost reductions achieved by our storage partners over the last few years have helped accelerate adoption.

Speaker #7: We continue to leverage the best technologies available and use a diversified set of suppliers to best fit customer needs and meet our price and performance requirements .

Speaker #7: Our investment in Lunar Energy has helped push innovation across the storage space . Sunrun began scaling the Lunar storage solution in California in Q4 of last year .

Speaker #7: The lunar Systems Modular Whole Home Backup solution that integrates solar storage and load control , makes this an attractive offering for customer value creation .

Speaker #7: Lunar is ramping production , and we expect to deploy about 10,000 lunar systems over the next year or so . Our base of customers is also growing rapidly , exceeding 1.1 million customers at the end of Q3 .

Speaker #7: Our strategy is to generate strong upfront margins on our customer origination activities and then to create additional value from the long term nature of our customer relationships .

Speaker #7: Since launching flex a year ago , our innovative storage and solar product offering , we have seen tremendous traction . Flex has further differentiated Sunrun in the market as it provides unique flexibility for customers to use well priced energy when they need it .

Speaker #7: Flex also creates a meaningful source of additional recurring cash flow for Sunrun for home energy systems , the solar generation portion has historically been designed to either match a household's current energy usage or be oversized in anticipation of greater future needs , resulting in either unmet needs as energy usage increases or generating solar energy that is paid for but not used immediately .

Speaker #7: Flex removes this uncertainty , offering a solution that fits families needs . Today and tomorrow . It is a great product that allows customers to pay a minimum monthly amount and then pay for additional energy only when needed .

Speaker #7: Customers are clearly loving this product as we are seeing Net Promoter scores over ten points higher . The take rate in markets were flex is offered is already about 40% .

Speaker #7: Flex is being offered in markets that represent about half of our volume . As expected , the initial cohort of flex customers are indeed tapping into the well priced flex energy .

Speaker #7: We found that two thirds of these customers already consume above their presolar baseline in current markets , the flex product includes extra storage , providing more value to the customer .

Speaker #7: Incredibly reliable energy , and an even more valuable grid resource . Along with more recurring cash flows for Sunrun . Another area where we are proving how valuable our long term customer relationships can be for Sunrun and the grid is by offering storage to our existing solar only customers .

Speaker #7: We have now installed nearly 2000 storage systems for these customers . This is growing rapidly and we expect this activity to accelerate . We are capturing this opportunity by using high tech , low cost routes , including our customer app and digital lead channels .

Speaker #7: We believe this will enable a fantastic value proposition for customers . Produce strong expected upfront margins for Sunrun , and serve as an accelerated growth in our distributed power plant capacity .

Speaker #7: Our cash generation from new customers is set to grow , and we expect to augment this cash flow with recurring sources from grid service programs growing flex adoption and offering valuable solutions add on batteries to existing customers through local channels .

Speaker #7: Before handing the call over to Danny , I want to take a moment to celebrate some of our people who truly embrace energy independence and the desire to connect customers to a more secure way to power their lives .

Speaker #7: Thank you to our leading direct to home sales team in Massachusetts , Boston Legacy , as well as our top installation team , the Boom Crew .

Speaker #7: It was so fun being with you all this fall and seeing you all in action . We're incredibly thankful for your team's dedication to customer experience , which has resulted in significant success this year , like including record high battery attachment rates in Massachusetts .

Speaker #7: Less than a year ago , we made a pivot to focus on storage offerings in Massachusetts . Given the increased value proposition for customers and the grid at large , and the Sunrun team delivered our storage attachment rate on sales and Massachusetts went from under 10% at the start of the year to more than 50% today .

Speaker #7: Importantly , this is an offering that can drive great value for customers , and we are seeing even higher NPS scores across the state .

Speaker #7: Mike , Adam and the whole Massachusetts team . Thank you . All right . I'll now turn the call over to Danny for the financial update and outlook .

Speaker #8: Thank you . Mary . Turning first to the unit level results for the quarter on slide 12 . Subscriber value was approximately $52,500 .

Speaker #8: And 11% increase compared to the prior year . As we saw as we increased our storage attachment rate by ten percentage points to 70% , grew our flex deployments , and benefited from a 42% weighted average .

Speaker #8: ITK level . An increase of five percentage points from Q3 of last year . Subscriber value reflects a 7.3% discount rate this period .

Speaker #8: We maintained cost discipline with creation costs increasing only 4% from the prior year . A smaller increase than the 11% growth in subscriber value creation costs increased primarily due to higher battery hardware and associated labor costs from the storage attachment rate increase , with 8% higher installation costs on a per subscriber basis versus the prior year , providing offset .

Speaker #8: We lowered customer acquisition costs and overhead by 5% on a per subscriber basis . The higher subscriber value and lower creation costs led to a 38% year over year growth in net subscriber value to approximately $13,200 .

Speaker #8: Turning now to aggregate results on slide 13 . These results are the average unit margins multiplied by the number of units . First , on the top line , aggregate subscriber value was 1.6 billion .

Speaker #8: In the third quarter , a 10% increase from the prior year . Aggregate creation costs were 1.2 billion , which includes all CapEx and asset origination opex , including overhead expenses .

Speaker #8: Excluding the expected present value from Non-contracted or upside cash flows are in contracted net value . Creation was 279 million , a 35% increase from last year , and about $1.21 per share .

Speaker #8: This level of value creation reflects a net margin of approximately 19% of aggregate contracted subscriber value . Slide 14 breaks down the unit level .

Speaker #8: Economics and aggregate economics . On a contracted only basis . Along with the main underlying drivers for the increases . Turning now to slide 15 , the majority of our deployments are retained subscribers that we reflect on our consolidated balance sheet .

Speaker #8: We rate non-recourse capital against the value of the systems related to retained subscribers from tax equity , which monetizes the tax credits and the share of cash flows and asset that debt , along with receiving cash from subscribers opting for prepaid leases and from governments and utilities under incentive programs .

Speaker #8: We now also receive proceeds from the sale of a portion of newly deployed systems in a new transaction . I will explain later in more detail , and we refer to the related subscribers as non retained or partially retained subscribers .

Speaker #8: We estimate these upfront sources of cash called aggregate upfront will be approximately 1.3 billion for subscriber additions in Q3 , representing an advanced rate of approximately 88% of the aggregate contracted subscriber value .

Speaker #8: When we deduct our aggregate creation costs of 1.2 billion , we are left with an expected upfront net value creation of approximately $106 million .

Speaker #8: This represents our estimate for the expected net cash to Sunrun from subscriber additions in the period after raising non-recourse capital and receiving upfront cash from subscribers and incentive programs , as well as receiving proceeds from the sale of non retained or partially retained subscribers .

Speaker #8: This figure excludes any value from our equity position in the assets over time , including potential asset refinancing proceeds and cash flows from other sources such as grid services , repowering or renewals or upside from flex electricity consumption above the contracted minimum .

Speaker #8: No upfront net value creation is different from cash generation due to working capital and proceeds , items . It is a strong indicator of cash generation over time .

Speaker #8: Actual realized proceeds from retained subscribers in the quarter were $1.3 billion , with 525 million from tax equity and six 659 million from nonrecourse debt , and 90 million from customer prepayments and upfront incentives aggregate upfront proceeds differ from proceeds realized from retained subscribers due to the former being an estimate for all subscriber additions in the period , and the latter being the proceeds received only against retained subscriber additions that may also have occurred in a different period .

Speaker #8: Sunrun also recorded revenue of 115 million from the sale of non retained or partially retained subscribers , which is not included in the realized proceeds figure .

Speaker #8: Cash generation was $108 million in Q3 . Turning now to slide 18 for a brief update on our capital markets activities . Sunrun industry leading performance as an originator and servicer of residential storage and solar continues to provide deep access to attractively priced capital .

Speaker #8: As of today , close transactions and executed term sheets inclusive of agreements related to non retained or partially retained subscribers provide us with expected tax equity capacity or equivalent to fund approximately 550MW of projects for subscribers beyond what was deployed for the third quarter thus far in 2025 , we have added 2.8 billion in traditional and hybrid tax equity and as mentioned earlier , we have recorded revenue of 115 million from the sale of non retained or partially retained subscribers , resulting in a strong runway .

Speaker #8: We also have $811 million in unused commitments available in our non-recourse senior revolving warehouse loan to fund over 288MW of projects for retained subscribers .

Speaker #8: Our strong debt capital runway has allowed us to be selective in timing term out transactions . During the third quarter , we priced three securitizations , raising approximately 1.4 billion in senior nonrecourse debt .

Speaker #8: The publicly placed tranche of our most recent $510 million securitization in September , priced at a 6.21% yield , reflecting the spread of 240 basis points in line with the spread of our prior securitization that priced in July year to date , Sunrun has raised approximately 2.8 billion in total nonrecourse debt , including 2.4 billion of senior debt across five securitizations and additional subordinated financings .

Speaker #8: These transactions were placed across public and private investor groups , including several first time buyers , demonstrating the strength and expanded diversity of our capital markets .

Speaker #8: Access . In Q3 Sunrun modestly diversified our asset modernization strategy . Be implemented , our strategy of retaining all newly originated subscriber assets on our balance sheet with an alternative structure where we sell a portion of newly originated storage and solar assets to an energy infrastructure investor , which generates upfront GAAP revenue while allowing us to maintain ongoing customer relationships and future value opportunities .

Speaker #8: The net result on our upfront net subscriber values and Ultimate Cash generation is similar to the capital structures we have utilized historically . This transaction is a result of increasing interest in the category by strategic energy investors and our strong track record as a high quality originator , along with our desire to improve our GAAP financial reporting and further diversify our sources of capital to fund growth , we have made adjustments to certain key operating metrics to reflect this new construct .

Speaker #8: Given this transaction was introduced in Q3 , there are no impacts on any prior periods . We plan to continue executing both publicly placed transactions and direct placements in the private credit markets to expand our equity tax credit via universe with large corporations , and to continue directly selling a portion of our originations on the parent capital side .

Speaker #8: We continue to pay down recourse debt , paying down another $17 million during the third quarter , bringing our year to date recourse debt repayment to 66 million .

Speaker #8: We expect to pay down our recourse debt by more than 100,000,000 in 2025 . Aside from the $5.5 billion outstanding of our 2026 convertible notes , we have no recourse .

Speaker #8: Debt maturities until March 2027. Year to date, we have also increased our unrestricted cash balance by $134 million and grown net earning assets by $1.5 billion.

Speaker #8: Over time , we will explore further capital allocation options to maximize shareholder value based on market conditions and our long term outlook . Turning now to our outlook on slide 20 , we are reiterating our guidance for 2025 for the full year , we are reiterating our guidance for aggregate subscriber value to be between 5.7 and $6 billion , representing 14% growth at the midpoint .

Speaker #8: We expect contracted net value creation to be in a range of 1 to $1.3 billion , representing 67% growth at the midpoint . We are reiterating the midpoint while narrowing the range of our cash generation guidance for the year .

Speaker #8: We expect cash generation to be between 250 to $450 million . For the fourth quarter , we expect aggregate subscriber value to be approximately 1.3 to 1.6 billion , representing a 5% decline at the midpoint , and contracted net value creation to be between 182 and 482 million , representing 6% growth at the midpoint .

Speaker #8: We expect cash generation to be between 60 and $260 million , with the range being driven by finance , transaction timing and working capital impacts .

Speaker #8: Operator let's open the line for questions .

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Speaker #5: Our first question comes from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs . Please proceed with your question .

Speaker #9: Hey everyone . Good afternoon . Thanks for taking the questions . I had two just kind of around the longer term business model .

Speaker #9: You know , first , Dan , you talked about the diversification of capital sources this quarter . Just curious what I mean . First , are you anticipating this to be a much bigger part of the strategy going forward ?

Speaker #9: And then , you know , what are kind of the implications for PNL cash generation as well as , you know , does this help in any way glean kind of valuation considerations for assets when you're monetizing through this channel ?

Speaker #9: And then I had a follow up .

Speaker #8: Yeah , we expect to continue to use similar structures . Perhaps , you know , if we're thinking longer term , perhaps diversify over time .

Speaker #8: But you know , definitely in the near term , a continuation of the use of what you saw out of us in Q3 .

Speaker #8: I think , you know , as all of the , you know , way it looks on the metrics . So the unit level , key operating metrics , the aggregate value creation metrics end up looking very similar because what what typically flow through financing activity .

Speaker #8: Now shows up as revenue . And what used to be capitalized expense can now be fully expense in period . It will show up in the system sale gross profit section of the PNL .

Speaker #8: So there will be a . An increase you'll notice in that area of activity , which will be overall accretive to the , you know , the PNL view on a GAAP basis .

Speaker #8: So there is a partial simplification and respect of the degree of assets that go into this structure . We'll still have the consolidated tax equity activity as well , alongside this , that will certainly continue as well .

Speaker #9: ten gigawatt hour dispatchable capacity by the end of 2028 , you pulled that forward a smidge versus prior , I think you were telling 2029 prior .

Speaker #9: So, you do seem to be growing faster in that part of the business. And you've always talked about it in terms of NPV uplift.

Speaker #9: But you know , as you as you're seeing a lot more breadth and scale , are there other monetization opportunities on this capacity going forward ?

Speaker #9: You know , whether it's , you know , cash flow , maybe even metrics like EBITDA getting broken out for this part of your model separately , just trying to think big picture about what you know , what what that business could ultimately look like as it grows in scale .

Speaker #9: Like it looks like it's targeted to do . Thank you .

Speaker #7: Yeah , sure . Nice to hear from you , Brian . So no , we didn't change . I mean , we've always said by end of 2028 or early 2029 that we should be at that scale .

Speaker #7: And yes , you're absolutely right . If it . Absolutely will tie to other forms of value creation for Sunrun and really speaks to the long term value we see in the customer relationship that we're developing and the recurring forms of revenue that we can have from those customers .

Speaker #7: So , you know , I feel like we're only just getting started , frankly , Brian , I mean , we had 17 programs , we had sizable dispatches , you know , and again , that really led us to call out the fact that we think our 2000 number , the 2000 NPV , is is probably too conservative .

Speaker #7: So, we're feeling very bullish about this opportunity as a distributed power plant provider.

Speaker #5: Our next question comes from Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker #10: Hey good afternoon . Actually , let me just pick up from where Brian left that off . Speaking of which , can you speak a little bit to what you're seeing preliminarily on 26 ?

Speaker #10: And as much as volumetric expectations across the industry seem to be recovering somewhat , and certainly love to hear how you think , not just on 26 , but even beyond that , in the 27 is as this new paradigm of , you know , of tpos evolves .

Speaker #7: Yeah , so great to hear from you , Julien . As as you know , Julien , we are not guiding the volume .

Speaker #7: We are very much focused on creating , you know , focused on margin creating , creating cash generation and creating really sustainable long profitable relationships with our customers while we're building on the nation's largest distributed power plant that will also have lots of value for years to come .

Speaker #7: So that is our focus at the same time , you know , as I think we've said for 2025 , you know , we expect to be sort of flat to growing slightly .

Speaker #7: We see 2026 as another year to continue to do what we’re doing, which is focus on margins, focus on cash, focus on providing an amazing customer experience, and programs that build out our distributed power plant capabilities.

Speaker #7: You know , the reality is , like the volume is there and Sunrun is to be very diligent and I would say vigilant in how we go after that volume to make sure that we are creating the best experience for customers and the best margin profile for someone .

Speaker #10: Excellent .

Speaker #10: question I wanted to get at here is prepaid leases . I would love to get your perspective here . Certainly generating a lot of sector interest .

Speaker #10: Admittedly seems somewhat complementary to what you offer here continuing already . And obviously you all have something of an offering in this end market already .

Speaker #10: But how do you see that product offering evolving , both for yourselves and across the competitive landscape ? In 26 and especially in 27 ?

Speaker #10: Because I imagine this could very well take some time to get off the ground wherever it's going .

Speaker #11: Yeah , great question . I think you ended with my first point . I think it will take a little bit of time to get off the ground and going , raising the capital for it at scale , I think will will be a constraint for those new entrants .

Speaker #11: But when I look at what they're trying to accomplish , they're essentially have their business model go away . So they're trying to figure out how to play in our business model without being able to play in our business model .

Speaker #11: With direct TPO . So they go through some creative gymnastics to basically finance with a loan , a TPO lease type construct . And so we view it as a more complicated and slightly more confusing consumer offering without advantages .

Speaker #7: And we did and we did look at it a couple of years ago and decided not to pursue it for all of those reasons .

Speaker #7: Really .

Speaker #10: Do you see this as a meaningful competitor, though, or alternative? Just to clarify.

Speaker #11: You broke up a little . Could you say that again ?

Speaker #10: Do you see it as a meaningful alternative or competitor to to your own product offerings ? As it stands today ?

Speaker #11: Yeah , I think I think we will see a good portion of the TPO market share transition to that product . I think there's markets where our product is , you know , not as well suited and , and , or it's a market demographic that we aren't chasing .

Speaker #11: So I think it's easier for people to raise that type of capital at small scale . And service . The long tail . And as you know , our core business model is not focused around servicing several hundred small dealers around our core internal sales routes that we differentiated .

Speaker #11: And a few key core partners that are aligned with our strategy .

Speaker #10: Excellent guys . Thanks for the time . Speak soon .

Speaker #11: Thanks . Thanks .

Speaker #5: Our next question comes from Amit Thakkar with BMO Capital Markets . Please proceed with your question .

Speaker #12: Hi . Good afternoon . Thanks for taking my question . I just I appreciate that . I guess asset monetisation is just going to be like a , I guess a third pillar for the capital raising going forward .

Speaker #12: But just to kind of clarify , the $115 million of of sales this quarter , if we use your definition for cash generation in the second quarter , would cash generation

Speaker #12: Q3 ?

Speaker #8: If if you were to assume we did not consume our other available capital for the same assets , then yes . But you know , the alternative to that structure would have been to draw capital and consume capital from our traditional structure .

Speaker #8: So I would say this was very much additive and complementary to our sources of financing . But we don't think we would have seen an impact because we would have placed these assets into more traditional structures that we've done in the past , that would have replaced this capital believe are .

Speaker #12: Okay . So it's just the definitional change . It would have still fallen in one of the other buckets . But you guys just felt like the need to kind of change the definition to reflect that .

Speaker #12: This is a new bucket that wasn't think . of it as .

Speaker #8: Think of it as we have more available sources of capital than we did before . That generate kind of that , that generates similar bottom line results on cash generation .

Speaker #12: Great . Thank you so much .

Speaker #13: Thank you . .

Speaker #5: Our next question comes from Colin Rush with Oppenheimer . Please proceed with your question .

Speaker #14: Thanks so much . I want to follow up on one of Brian's questions in terms of the monetization of the the storage assets .

Speaker #14: Can you talk about the relative value for , portfolios that are a little bit higher density from a geographic perspective versus ones that are a little bit more spread out ?

Speaker #14: Is there a delta between some of those territories ?

Speaker #11: Are you talking about the the battery assets that we have in enrolling them in grid service contracts ?

Speaker #14: Yeah , exactly . Yeah .

Speaker #11: Yeah , I think what we're what we're seeing right now , in the sense that we're enrolled in , is largely people seeing kind of a portfolio view and giving a blended price for access to those assets rather than , you know , customization based off of , you know , density or , you know , grid congestion , whatever that may be .

Speaker #11: I think as these programs mature , we're actually , you know , ironically , talking about this just recently , I think you will see some see price differentiation on , well placed assets over time .

Speaker #14: Okay . Great . And then looking into next year , you know , I know you're not guiding , but in terms of some of the supply chain elements in your ability to source that advantaged prices , you know , you guys have talked about some of your , your , your purchasing power over time .

Speaker #14: Are you starting to see some real leverage from some of that purchasing power as you get into next year and you see some of the demand start to fall away for certain , you know , certain elements of the the hardware side .

Speaker #8: Yeah , it's it's an interesting question . If you're thinking about the overall market supply , demand in relation to 25 , I would say that part has yet to play out .

Speaker #8: And we really have to see how that goes there . There are different dynamics across parts of the supply chain . General . You know , trend and theme is onshoring of what was in previously onshore manufacturing .

Speaker #8: And that is enabling much more domestic content value to unlock through the bonus ITC at or than the modest cost increases we're seeing .

Speaker #8: But we are seeing some cost increases . I think generally known in the industry , I would say most significantly on module pricing , as that onshore we're we're expecting and anticipating those effects .

Speaker #8: But we also expect and anticipate them to be net value accretive from a bonus . ITC qualification standpoint . But , you know , I think as we continue to observe trends , we'll be able to say more .

Speaker #8: There is a moment of change in the industry that we have to get lived through to understand how that plays out . On the other end , for 26 .

Speaker #14: Okay . Thanks so much , guys .

Speaker #5: Our next question comes from Vikram Bokhari with Citi . Please proceed with your question .

Speaker #15: Good evening everyone . I wanted to start with a housekeeping questions on margins . First , G&A came in lower than we expected .

Speaker #15: Where do you see it going forward on a per watt or a per customer basis ? And related to that , the platform services margin was impressive this quarter .

Speaker #15: Was wondering what drove that . Was it pull forward of demand ? Was it more storage installs ? And is this a new new normal going forward ?

Speaker #15: Then I have a follow up .

Speaker #8: Which metric in particular was the first part of your question ? I just didn't hear that .

Speaker #15: G&A .

Speaker #8: The the G&A .

Speaker #15: The G&A overall per customer or per watt basis came in at $0.27 a wad . This is , you know , four quarters of decline for you on a per watt basis with , you know , except one quarter .

Speaker #15: I was wondering where where do you see this going historically , this number has been under $0.20 of are you on track to going to that level , going forward ?

Speaker #15: Where do you see this , this expense going forward on a per watt basis ?

Speaker #8: Yeah , I would you know , I think we are oriented to think of that more on a , on a dollar per unit basis .

Speaker #8: And we've been hovering in the high 1000 to 2000 for several quarters . We have across that time period been increasing top line unit value .

Speaker #8: So G&A though on a per customer basis has trended flat on a percent of customer value basis , just like you'll see on sales and marketing , spend has been falling .

Speaker #8: And that's how we're getting that margin expansion in the current quarter . G&A per customer fell a little bit . You know , about $300 a customer from the prior quarter .

Speaker #8: And that is , you know , operating cost leverage as we build more volume in Q3 going into the seasonal peak , that'll that'll move around a little bit through the four quarters of the year .

Speaker #8: But we expect it to stay in a similar range .

Speaker #15: Got it . I'm going to ask the the other two questions in one go . The platform services margin was impressive . I was wondering what drove that .

Speaker #15: And then Denny , if you can talk about the puts and takes for the securitization spread of 240 basis points , this has been persistently at that level for a while now .

Speaker #15: When you look out next 12 months , what are some of the puts and takes for this ? For , for for the securitization spread ?

Speaker #15: Thank you .

Speaker #8: Great . I'll hit the first part on the on the margin expansion . I think it's just the continuation of the of the prior story .

Speaker #8: Say again , we got a operating cost leverage , volume growth , seasonal peak . If you look year over year , we're seeing the dynamics we've mentioned around storage , attachment rate going up .

Speaker #8: The level of ITC added qualification going up , interest rates , holding reasonably steady . And as we generate higher value systems , though , we are seeing the that the cost associated with the storage attached .

Speaker #8: So the extra materials and installed labor costs are flowing through the creation cost stack . But we're generating several points more value north of that .

Speaker #8: And you're getting the margin expansion . So it's just in line with the focus of , you know , picking the right go to market strategy with the right product offering .

Speaker #8: As you heard in the lead-in from Mary, Massachusetts had a tremendous increase in the storage attach rate. That is a contributor.

Speaker #8: We see that in one market . We action it and we see the , you know , the fruits of our labor show up in the in the margin expansion .

Speaker #8: When we report that out . So I think the goal is to continue that sort of activity throughout , you know , the balance of the quarter in 2026 .

Speaker #8: On the securitization side , I would say it's tilted towards more opportunity than risk . If you're tracking just the credit spread element .

Speaker #8: So if we look across the year to date so far , we have seen residential solar credit spreads stay elevated in that , you know , mid 200 basis point area .

Speaker #8: While we've seen credit spreads generally across corporates and asset classes continue to compress to to very tight like near all time tight levels .

Speaker #8: So that is expressing or implying some spread elevation . And I think we're wearing that for you know , reasons around us relating to , you know , peer distress and , you know , some elevated default rates in the , in the , in the loan ABS side in some of the uncertainties around policy .

Speaker #8: This year , we view that as opportunity as we kind of further and further distance out into next year from some of the events this year that drove that up , my estimate is we're probably at least 50 basis points elevated .

Speaker #8: If you correlate our credit spreads to general credit spreads over time , I think there's opportunity there .

Speaker #15: Thank you .

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Speaker #5: While we pull for questions . Our next question comes from Philip Shane with Roth Capital Partners . Please proceed with your question .

Speaker #16: Hi , everyone . Thank you for taking my questions . First one is on capital allocation . In your prepared remarks , you talked about exploring that further to maximize shareholder value through 26 is my guess .

Speaker #16: And so was wondering , you know , what might be on the table as buyback . The most likely option . What kind of timing might it be .

Speaker #16: And what things need to exist . Conditions need to exist in order to pursue that . Thanks .

Speaker #8: Great . Yeah . You'll notice , and others will notice . We've stayed consistent on the objectives around parent debt paydown . So 100 million or more , more than 100 million for the calendar year , you know , year to date we've gotten more than halfway there , and then we've also expressed a longer range target of having sort of a two times leverage ratio of total parent debt , inclusive of our 2030 converts against trailing cash generation .

Speaker #8: So we're paying down debt as we're building up the trailing cash generation . At some point into next year . Those lines should converge for anything beyond that , whether it involves buybacks , dividends , accruing more cash on hand , pursuing other opportunities .

Speaker #8: You some of them will be board level discussions . So we're not commenting on those . But you know , we're kind of near term focused on execution that will build the path to unlock those conversations .

Speaker #16: Great . Thanks , Danny . And then shifting to 26 as it relates to volume , I know you don't want to talk too much about volume , but you do have some perspective in terms of growth for next year relative to the market overall , which might be contracting as a result of the 25 .

Speaker #16: Expiration . And so what we're seeing now is a Q3 , Q4 pull forward of demand . You guys plan to grow next year , but that said , can you talk to us about the quarterly cadence ?

Speaker #16: And so if there's a bunch of 25 D business being pulled forward , does that impact some of your Q1 and or two volumes in a way where the seasonal drop off in Q1 , for example , might be more than normal or more than typical , and if you can provide some color on that kind of quarterly cadence , that'd be very helpful .

Speaker #16: Thanks .

Speaker #7: Yeah . I mean , I think at a high level , you know , we expect to continue to gain . Significant share in 2026 given our focus on subscription offerings and our storage first strategy .

Speaker #7: And we expect to do it while generating strong financial returns , our strategy is not to roll up or onboard a lot of smaller dealers who were historically focused on the loan and cash segment of the market .

Speaker #7: Our focus is to do exactly what we've talked about , which is , you know , to continue to focus on providing a really strong customer experience , really strong value proposition for Sunrun and build out our distributed power plant capabilities .

Speaker #7: So , you know , as I said earlier , like the volume is there , you know , a part of what you've seen , even in what we're doing , is we've continued even to pare back in certain segments where it did not hit our margin threshold .

Speaker #7: So we're going to continue to be a disciplined , player , focused on customer experience , margins and building out storage , while at the same time we we do expect to again gain significant share .

Speaker #7: We're in a really strong position from a market share perspective .

Speaker #16: Okay . Thanks , Mary . I'll pass it on .

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