Q3 2025 Kaiser Aluminum Corp Earnings Call

Speaker #3: Greetings and welcome to the Kaiser Corporation . Third quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call . At this time , all participants are in a listen only mode .

Operator: Greetings and welcome to the Kaiser Aluminum Corporation Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Should anyone require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kim Orlando, with ADO Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker #3: A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation . Should anyone require operator assistance during the conference , please press Star Zero on your telephone keypad .

Speaker #3: As a reminder , this conference is being recorded . It is now my pleasure to introduce your host , Kim Orlando , with Addo Investor Relations .

Speaker #3: Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker #4: Thank you . Hello everyone and welcome to Kaiser Aluminum third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call . If you have not seen a copy of our earnings release , please visit the Investor Relations page on our website at Kaiser Aluminum .

Kim Orlando: Thank you. Hello everyone and welcome to Kaiser Aluminum Corporation's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. If you have not seen a copy of our earnings release, please visit the Investor Relations page on our website at kaiseraluminum.com. We have also posted a PDF version of the slide presentation for this call. Joining me on the call today are Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Keith Harvey, and Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Neal West. Before we begin, I'd like to refer you to the first four slides of our presentation and remind you that the statements made by management and the information contained in this presentation that constitute forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations.

Speaker #4: We have also posted a PDF version of the slide presentation for this call. Joining me on the call today are Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer Keith Harvey, and Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Neal West.

Speaker #4: Before we begin , I'd like to refer you to the first four slides of our presentation and remind you that the statements made by management and the information contained in this presentation that constitute forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations .

Speaker #4: For a summary of specific risk factors that could cause results to differ materially from the forward looking statements , please refer to the company's earnings release and reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission , including the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the full year ended December 31st , 2020 .

Kim Orlando: For a summary of specific risk factors that could cause results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's earnings release and reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the full year ended December 31, 2024. The company undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statements to conform the statement to actual results or changes in the company's expectations. In addition, we have included non-GAAP financial information in our discussion. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the earnings release and in the appendix of the presentation. Reconciliations of certain forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP financial measures are not provided because certain items required for such reconciliations are outside of our control and/or cannot be reasonably predicted or provided without unreasonable effort.

Speaker #4: For . The company undertakes no duty to update any forward looking statements to conform the statement to actual results or changes in the company's expectations in addition , we have included non-GAAP Financial information in our discussion .

Speaker #4: Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the earnings release and in the appendix of the presentation . Reconciliations of certain forward looking non-GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP financial measures are not provided because certain items required for such reconciliations are outside of our control .

Speaker #4: And or cannot be reasonably predicted or provided without unreasonable effort . Any reference to EBITDA in our discussion today means adjusted EBITDA , which excludes non run rate items for which we have provided reconciliations in the appendix .

Kim Orlando: Any reference to EBITDA in our discussion today means adjusted EBITDA, which excludes non-run rate items for which we have provided reconciliations in the appendix. Further, slide five contains definitions of terms and measures that will be commonly used throughout today's presentation. At the conclusion of the company's presentation, we will open the call for questions. I would now like to turn the call over to Keith Harvey. Keith?

Speaker #4: Further, slide five contains definitions of terms and measures that will be commonly used throughout today's presentation. At the conclusion of the company's presentation, we will open the call for questions.

Speaker #4: I would now like to turn the call over to Keith Harvey Keith .

Speaker #5: Thanks , Kim , and good morning , everyone . I'll begin on slide seven for our third quarter update . We're pleased to report another strong quarter marking our fourth consecutive period of performance ahead of our expectations .

Keith Harvey: Thanks, Kim, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin on slide seven for our third quarter update. We're pleased to report another strong quarter, marking our fourth consecutive period of performance ahead of our expectations. As a result, we're once again raising our full-year EBITDA outlook. During the quarter, we incurred approximately $20 million in startup costs tied to our two key strategic investments for aerospace and packaging, offset by the impact of metal pricing on inventory, which continued to provide a favorable tailwind. In total, we delivered 23% EBITDA margins in the third quarter and over 20% year to date. Now let's turn to the status of our key investments. At our Trittwood rolling mill, the installation of our phase seven plate capacity expansion project for aerospace and general engineering applications is nearly complete. It remains on time and on budget.

Speaker #5: As a result , we're once again raising our full year EBITDA outlook . During the quarter , we incurred approximately $20 million in start up costs tied to our two key strategic investments for aerospace and packaging , offset by the impact of metal pricing on inventory , which continued to provide a favorable tailwind .

Speaker #5: In total , we delivered 23% EBITDA margins in the third quarter and over 20% year to date . Now , let's turn to the status of our key investments at our Trentwood rolling mill .

Speaker #5: The installation of our phase seven capacity expansion project for aerospace and general engineering applications is nearly complete . It remains on time and on budget as expected , the 12 week outage impacted our third quarter sales , reducing conversion revenue for Aero and general engineering plate .

Keith Harvey: As expected, the 12-week outage impacted our third quarter sales, reducing conversion revenue for aerospace and general engineering plate collectively by approximately $15 to $20 million. The investment timing, however, aligns well with the short and long-term growth expectations from our aerospace and general engineering customers. At our Warwick packaging rolling mill, the fourth coating line is steadily progressing through its qualification phase. September marked our strongest output to date on the new line, with momentum continuing into October. We anticipate reaching full run rate in time to support 2026 shipments. Customer feedback has been overwhelmingly positive regarding product quality and performance, fully aligning with the expectations we set when initiating this investment nearly three years ago. This project remains central to our strategy of shifting the majority of the mill's output to coated products, a segment where Warwick already holds a market-leading position.

Speaker #5: Collectively by approximately 15 to $20 million . The investment timing , however , aligns well with the short and long term growth expectations from our aerospace and general engineering customers at our Warwick Packaging Rolling mill .

Speaker #5: The fourth coating lime , is steadily progressing through its qualification phase . September marked our strongest output to date on the new line , with momentum continuing into October .

Speaker #5: We anticipate reaching full run rate in time to support 2026 shipments . Customer feedback has been overwhelmingly positive regarding product quality and performance .

Speaker #5: Fully aligning with the expectations we set when initiating this investment . Nearly three years ago . This project remains central to our strategy of shifting the majority of the mill's output to coated products , a segment where Warwick already holds a market leading position .

Speaker #5: As we approach full run rate , increased throughput will begin to satisfy our customers demand needs and start up costs will begin to taper off .

Keith Harvey: As we approach full run rate, increased throughput will begin to satisfy our customers' demand needs, and startup costs will begin to taper off. Turning to our key end markets, demand remains solid. Aerospace is trending positively, though not yet fully reflected in our results. Packaging supply remains tight, with strong demand expected to continue for the foreseeable future. General engineering continues to outperform the traditional 2% CAGR, reflecting solid demand from our customers. However, month-to-month demand has shown an uneven cadence, which has made it challenging to operate with normal efficiencies. Despite this variability, the overall trajectory remains strong. Automotive rebounded meaningfully late summer after a volatile start to the year. I'll touch more on our markets in a moment when we discuss the outlook.

Speaker #5: Turning to our key end markets, demand remains solid. Aerospace is trending positively, though not yet fully reflected in our results.

Speaker #5: Packaging supply remains tight , with strong demand expected to continue for the foreseeable future . General engineering continues to outperform the traditional 2% kegger , reflecting solid demand from our customers .

Speaker #5: However , month to month demand has shown an uneven cadence , which has made it challenging to operate with normal efficiencies . Despite this variability , the overall trajectory remains strong .

Speaker #5: Automotive rebounded meaningfully late summer after a volatile start to the year . I'll touch more on our markets in a moment when we discuss the outlook .

Speaker #5: With that market backdrop in mind . As we near the end of our major investment cycle . We have a renewed focus on managing our cost , restoring operating efficiencies and regaining our best in class operating metrics that have historically defined Kaiser .

Keith Harvey: With that market backdrop in mind, as we near the end of our major investment cycle, we have a renewed focus on managing our cost, restoring operating efficiencies, and regaining our best-in-class operating metrics that have historically defined Kaiser. With that, I'll turn the call over to Neal to walk through the financials. Neal.

Speaker #5: With that , I'll turn the call over to Neil to walk through the financials . Neil . Thank you . Keith , and good .

Neal West: Thank you, Keith, and good morning, everyone. I'll now turn to slide nine for an overview of our shipments and conversion revenue. Conversion revenue for the third quarter was $351 million, a decline of approximately $11 million, or 3%, compared to the prior year period. Looking at each of our end markets in detail, aerospace and high-strength conversion revenue totaled $100 million, down $28 million, or approximately 22%. This was primarily due to a 30% decline in shipments, driven by the planned 12-week partial outage we took at the Trittwood facility to finalize our phase seven expansion projects, as well as ongoing destocking and commercial aircraft OEM production. We anticipate improved demand conditions ahead as destocking appears to be easing, along with improved shipments as we return to full production following the outage.

Speaker #6: Morning , everyone . I'll now turn the slide nine for an overview of our shipments and conversion revenue . Conversion revenue for the third quarter was $351 million , a decline of approximately $11 million , or 3% , compared to the prior year period .

Speaker #6: Looking at each of our end markets in detail , aerospace and high strength conversion revenue totaled $100 million , down $28 million , or approximately 22% .

Speaker #6: This was primarily due to a 30% decline in shipments driven by the planned 12 week partial outage we took at the Trentwood facility .

Speaker #6: To finalize our phase seven expansion projects . As well as ongoing destocking in commercial aircraft , OEM production . We anticipate improved demand conditions ahead as destocking appears to be easing , along with improved shipments as we return to full production following the outage .

Speaker #6: Demand has remained strong across our other aerospace and high strength applications , including business jet defense and space markets . Packaging conversion revenue totaled $138 million , up $9 million , or approximately 7% year over year on stronger pricing and mix shipments for the quarter , while up 2% sequentially declined 5% over the prior year period , reflecting the mix shift in product deliveries away from away from bare products .

Neal West: Demand has remained strong across our other aerospace and high-strength applications, including business jet, defense, and space markets. Packaging conversion revenue totaled $138 million, up $9 million, or approximately 7% year over year on stronger pricing and mix. Shipments for the quarter, while up 2% sequentially, declined 5% over the prior year period, reflecting the mix shift in product deliveries away from bare products as we continue to ramp the new coating line and qualify products for customers. As discussed, the underlying demand environment is strong, and we're working closely with our customers as we ramp the new coating line to full run rate levels by year-end 2025. General engineering conversion revenue for the third quarter was $81 million, up $5 million, or 6% year over year, on a 7% increase in shipments. Reshoring activity continues to create a favorable demand backdrop, supporting both volumes and pricing.

Speaker #6: As we continue the ramp to new role , coastline and qualify products with customers as discussed , the underlying demand environment is strong and we're working closely with our customers as we ramp the new coating line to full run rate levels by year end 2025 .

Speaker #6: General engineering conversion revenue for the third quarter was $81 million , up $5 million , or 6% , year over year , on a 7% increase in shipments .

Speaker #6: Reshoring activity continues to create a favorable demand backdrop , supporting both both volumes and pricing . And finally , automotive conversion revenue of $32 million increased 10% year over year on a 5% decrease in shipments , primarily due to tariff related customer uncertainty affecting the automotive industry .

Neal West: Finally, automotive conversion revenue of $32 million increased 10% year over year, on a 5% decrease in shipments, primarily due to tariff-related customer uncertainty affecting the automotive industry. Improved pricing and product mix more than offset the lower shipments. Additional details and conversion revenue and shipments by end market applications can be found in the appendix of this presentation. Now moving to slide ten. Reported operating income for the third quarter was $49 million, an increase of approximately $36 million from $13 million in the prior year quarter. As a reminder, the third quarter of 2024 included operating non-run rate charges of approximately $4 million, primarily related to an increase in legacy environmental reserves.

Speaker #6: Improved pricing and product mix more than offset the lower shipments. Additional details on conversion revenue and shipments by end market applications can be found in the appendix of this presentation.

Speaker #6: Now moving to slide ten . Reported operating income for the third quarter was $49 million , an increase of approximately $36 million from $13 million in the prior year quarter .

Speaker #6: As a reminder , the third quarter of 2024 included operating non run rate charges of approximately $4 million , primarily related to an increase in legacy environmental reserves .

Speaker #6: After adjusting for these charges , our third quarter 2025 adjusted operating income was up $32 million from the prior year quarter , reflecting a $35 million year over year improvement in EBITDA , partially offset by a $3 million of higher depreciation expense primarily associated with the commissioning of our new coating line at work .

Neal West: After adjusting for these charges, our third quarter 2025 adjusted operating income was up $32 million from the prior year quarter, reflecting a $35 million year-over-year improvement in adjusted EBITDA, partially offset by $3 million of higher depreciation expense, primarily associated with the commissioning of our new coating line at Warwick. Our effective tax rate for the third quarter was 17%, compared to 21% in the third quarter of 2024. For the full year 2025, we expect our effective tax rate before discrete items to be in the low to mid-20% range, including the impacts related to the new tax bill recently signed into law. Additionally, we anticipate that the 2025 cash tax payments for federal, state, and foreign taxes will be in the $5 to $7 million range.

Speaker #6: Our effective tax rate for the third quarter was 17% , compared to 21% in the third quarter of 2020 . For . For the full year 2025 , we expect our effective tax rate before discrete items to be in the low to mid 20% range , including the impacts related to the new tax bill recently signed into law .

Speaker #6: Additionally , we anticipate that the 2025 cash tax payments for federal , state and foreign taxes will be in a 5 to $7 million range .

Speaker #6: Reported net income for the third quarter was $40 million , or $2.38 per net income per diluted share , compared to net income of $9 million , or $0.54 .

Neal West: Reported net income for the third quarter was $40 million, or $2.38 net income per diluted share, compared to net income of $9 million, or $0.54 net income per diluted share in a prior year quarter. After adjusting for net pre-tax non-run rate income of approximately $11 million, primarily related to legacy land sales and insurance settlements associated with prior year claims, adjusted net income for the third quarter of 2025 was $31 million, or $1.86 adjusted net income per diluted share, and this compares to adjusted net income of $5 million, or $0.31 adjusted net income per diluted share in a prior year period, which excludes a net pre-tax non-run rate income of $4 million. Now turning to slide 11. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $81 million, up approximately $35 million from the prior year period.

Speaker #6: Net income per diluted share in the prior year quarter . After adjusting for net pre-tax non run rate income of approximately $11 million .

Speaker #6: Primarily related to legacy land sales and insurance settlements associated with prior year claims . Adjusted net income for the third quarter of 2025 was $31 million , or $1.86 , adjusted net income per diluted share , and this compares to adjusted net income of $5 million , or $0.31 .

Speaker #6: Adjusted net income per diluted share in the prior year period, which excludes a net pre-tax run rate income of $4 million. Now, turning to slide 11.

Speaker #6: Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $81 million , up approximately $35 million from the prior year period . Importantly , this result achieved was achieved despite the 8% year over year reduction in our shipments .

Neal West: Importantly, this result was achieved despite the 8% year-over-year reduction in our shipments. The true momentum in the business earnings power is becoming increasingly clear, driven by the stronger mix of higher value-added products and strong underlying fundamentals across our business and end markets. Additionally, during the quarter, we incurred approximately $20 million of higher operating costs and inefficiencies associated with the Trittwood phase seven outage and the ongoing Warwick coated products ramp-up, which we don't expect to continue. These discrete costs are offset by a year-over-year increase in metal lag gains, primarily attributed to the continuing increase in metal price during the quarter. Now turning to discussion of our balance sheet and cash flow. As of September 30, 2025, we had $577 million in total liquidity, including $17 million in cash and $560 million in availability and a revolver.

Speaker #6: The true momentum in the business earnings power is becoming increasingly clear , driven by the stronger mix of higher value added products and strong underlying fundamentals across our business and end markets .

Speaker #6: Additionally , during the quarter , we incurred approximately $20 million of higher operating costs and inefficiencies associated with the Trentwood phase seven outage and the ongoing Warwick Road ramp up , which we don't expect to continue .

Speaker #6: These discrete costs were offset by a year over year increase in metallurgy gains , primarily attributed to the continuing increase in metal price during the quarter .

Speaker #6: Now , turning to discussion of our balance sheet and cash flow . As of September 30th , 2025 , we had $577 million in total liquidity , including $17 million in cash and $560 million in availability on a revolver .

Speaker #6: Importantly , as of the end of the third quarter , our net debt leverage ratio improved to 3.6 times from 4.3 times at the end of 2024 .

Neal West: Importantly, as of the end of the third quarter, our net debt leverage ratio improved to 3.6 times from 4.3 times at the end of 2024. Earlier this month, we announced the extension of our $575 million revolving credit facility, underscoring the continued strength of our financial position and the confidence our lending partners place in our long-term strategy. The extended facility is set to mature in October 2030, subject to certain conditions. We generated cash flow from operations of $59 million during the third quarter, with our capital expenditures totaling $25 million. We expect capital expenditures for the full year 2025 to be approximately $130 million, with free cash flow anticipated to be in the range of $30 to $50 million, reflecting temporary working capital impacts tied to higher metal costs.

Speaker #6: Earlier this month , we announced the extension of our $575 million revolving credit facility , underscoring the continued strength of our financial position and a confidence our lending partners place in our long term strategy .

Speaker #6: The extended facility is set to mature in October 2030 , subject to certain conditions . We generated cash flow from operations of $59 million during the third quarter , with our capital expenditures totaling $25 million .

Speaker #6: We expect capital expenditures for the full year 2025 to be approximately $130 million , with free cash flow anticipated to be in the range of 30 to $50 million , reflecting temporary working capital impacts tied to higher metal costs .

Speaker #6: Importantly , we remain on track to complete our major growth capital projects this year and continue funding our quarterly dividend of $0.77 per share , reinforcing our commitment to returning value to our shareholders .

Neal West: Importantly, we remain on track to complete our major growth capital projects this year and continue funding our quarterly dividend of $0.77 per share, reinforcing our commitment to returning value to our shareholders. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Keith to discuss our outlook. Keith?

Speaker #6: With that , I'll turn the call back over to Keith to discuss our outlook . Keith .

Speaker #5: Thanks , Neil . We continue to be encouraged by the momentum and visibility we're seeing across our markets . Let me now walk you through our full year outlook by end market on slide 13 .

Keith Harvey: Thanks, Neal. We continue to be encouraged by the momentum and visibility we're seeing across our markets. Let me now walk you through our full-year outlook by end market on slide 13. Starting with aerospace and high-strength, commercial aircraft recovery remained on pace throughout the third quarter, with build rates strengthening and the supply chain normalization progressing, providing us with greater confidence of growing demand heading into 2026. As build rates ramp, we expect elevated aluminum inventory levels in the channel to be rapidly absorbed. Demand in defense, space, and business jet remains steady at strong levels. Looking ahead, we're confident in our position as a leading global supplier of aluminum products in these end markets. Our capital investments continue to strengthen that leadership and position us well for the long term.

Speaker #5: Starting with aero and high-strength commercial aircraft, recovery remained on pace throughout the third quarter, with build rates strengthening and the supply chain normalization progressing, providing us with greater confidence of growing demand heading into 2026.

Speaker #5: As build rates ramp, we expect elevated aluminum inventory levels in the channel to be rapidly absorbed. Demand in defense, space, and business jets remains steady at strong levels.

Speaker #5: Looking ahead , we're confident in our position as a leading global supplier of aluminum products . In these end markets . Our capital investments continue to strengthen that leadership and position us well for the long term .

Speaker #5: As a result of our planned 12 week partial outage for our phase seven investment at Trentwood and the resulting lower sales in Q3 , we now expect full year aerospace shipments and conversion revenue to be down approximately 10% year over year as destocking works through the system and shipments recover in the fourth quarter .

Keith Harvey: As a result of our planned 12-week partial outage for our phase seven investment at Trittwood and the resulting lower sales in Q3, we now expect full-year aerospace shipments and conversion revenue to be down approximately 10% year over year as destocking works through the system and shipments recover in the fourth quarter. Let's move on to packaging. We remain confident in the long-term outlook and the strength of our customer pipeline, with the full ramp-up of our coating line on pace for late fourth quarter of 2025. North American demand continues to far outpace available supply, and we expect that dynamic to persist well beyond 2025. Our team is fully focused on accelerating capacity and throughput across our value stream to meet the growing needs of our customers.

Speaker #5: Let's move on to packaging . We remain confident in the long term outlook and the strength of our customer pipeline . With the full ramp up of our coating line on pace for late fourth quarter of 2025 .

Speaker #5: North American demand continues to far outpace available supply , and we expect that dynamic to persist well beyond 2025 . Our team is fully focused on accelerating capacity and throughput across our value stream to meet the growing needs of our customers , due mainly to the previously discussed delay in the start up of our new Rokote line .

Keith Harvey: Due mainly to the previously discussed delay in the startup of our new row coat line, we now expect conversion revenue for the year to be up 12% to 15% as the mix shift to higher margin coated products continues to build. Shipments are still expected to decline approximately 3% to 5% year over year as we finalize the ramp of our new row coating line, ahead of fully benefiting from the mix shift in volumes. We expect a higher output from the new row coat line in the fourth quarter as we improve line speeds and realize the full capabilities of the line. Turning to general engineering, our strong momentum from the first half carried into the third quarter, with shipments up mid-single digits and solid pricing supporting growth in conversion revenue.

Speaker #5: We now expect conversion revenue for the year to be up 12 to 15% as the mix shift to higher margin coated products continues to build .

Speaker #5: Shipments are still expected to decline approximately 3 to 5% year over year . As we finalized the ramp of our new roll coating line ahead of fully benefiting from the mix shift in volumes .

Speaker #5: We expect a higher output from the new Rokote line in the fourth quarter . As we improve line speeds and realize the full capabilities of the line .

Speaker #5: Turning to general engineering , our strong momentum from the first half carried into the third quarter with shipments up mid-single digits and solid pricing supporting growth and conversion revenue .

Speaker #5: Looking ahead , we expect shipments to remain strong for the remainder of the year , driven by a favorable mix shift towards plate products , which will further support conversion revenue growth .

Keith Harvey: Looking ahead, we expect shipments to remain strong for the remainder of the year, driven by a favorable mix shift towards plate products, which will further support conversion revenue growth. We continue to expect full-year shipments and conversion revenue to be up approximately 5 to 10% year over year. Finally, turning to automotive, our outlook for the remainder of the year remains stable. Auto production forecasts have varied throughout the year, hitting a low point post tariffs in mid-summer before expectations improved into the fall. The resilience of our portfolio and favorable mix toward SUVs and light truck ICE vehicles has kept us steady. As a result, we continue to expect our full-year conversion revenue to increase approximately 3 to 5% year over year on approximately 5 to 7% lower shipments.

Speaker #5: We continue to expect full year shipments and conversion revenue to be up approximately 5 to 10% year over year . Finally , turning to automotive , our outlook for the remainder of the year remains stable .

Speaker #5: Auto production forecast have varied throughout the year , hitting a low point post tariffs in mid-summer before expectations improved into the fall . The resilience of our portfolio and favorable mix toward SUVs and light truck ice vehicles has kept us steady .

Speaker #5: As a result , we continue to expect our full year conversion revenue to increase approximately 3 to 5% year over year on approximately 5 to 7% lower shipments .

Speaker #5: Now , turning to our summary outlook on slide 14 . Our in-market fundamentals remain strong and our operational execution continues to improve . Based on our year to date performance in 2025 and our updated expectations for aero and high strength and packaging , we're updating our full year conversion revenue guidance to be flat to up 5% year over year , and raising our full year EBITDA outlook by 10% .

Keith Harvey: Now turning to our summary outlook on slide 14, our end market fundamentals remain strong, and our operational execution continues to improve. Based on our year-to-date performance in 2025 and our updated expectations for aerospace and high-strength and packaging, we're updating our full-year conversion revenue guidance to be flat to up 5% year over year and raising our full-year EBITDA outlook by 10%, now expecting 20 to 25% year-over-year growth over our recasted 2024 EBITDA of $241 million. We remain firmly focused on our long-term objective of achieving mid to high 20% EBITDA margins, and we see clear, tangible progress toward that goal as our investments come fully online and end market demand continues to improve. With that, I will now open the call to any questions you may have. Operator?

Speaker #5: Now , expecting 20 to 25% year over year growth over our Recasted 2024 EBITDA of $241 million . We remain firmly focused on our long term objective of achieving mid to high 20% EBITDA margins .

Speaker #5: And we see clear , tangible progress toward that goal as our investments come fully online and in-market demand continues to improve . With that , I will now open the call to any questions you may have .

Speaker #5: Operator .

Speaker #3: Thank you . We will now be conducting a question and answer session . If you would like to ask a question , please press star one on your telephone keypad .

Kim Orlando: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. The first question is from Bill Peterson from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #3: One moment please . While we pull for questions . The first question is from Bill Peterson from JP Morgan . Please go ahead .

Speaker #7: Yeah . Hi . Good morning and thanks for taking the questions . Good on the aerospace . Yeah . Good morning on the aero and high strength shipments down 30% quarter on quarter .

Bill Peterson: Yeah, hi. Good morning, and thanks for taking the questions.

[Company Representative]: Morning, Bill.

Bill Peterson: On the aerospace, yeah, good morning. On the aerospace and high-strength, shipments down 30% quarter on quarter. It sounds like a lot of that was based off the trial and planned maintenance, but how much can you help delineate between the planned maintenance versus continued weakness you've seen? Based off your revised guidance, it looks like you see more or less a recovery back to, you know, first, second quarter levels in Q4, but I guess with your comments on destocking abatement, how should we think about your aerospace high-strength trajectory in 2026? I guess how fast can we see a recovery?

Speaker #7: It sounds like a lot of that was based off the planned maintenance . But how much can you help delineate between the planned maintenance versus weakness .

Speaker #7: Continued weakness . You've seen based off your revised guidance , it looks like you see more or less a recovery back to first , second quarter levels in four .

Speaker #7: Q but I guess with your comments on destocking abating , how should we think about your aero strength trajectory in 2026 ? I guess , how fast can we see a recovery ?

Speaker #5: Yeah , Bill , first , your assessment of what we are looking at in Q4 is is right on . You know , you look at the run rate we had in the first half of the year .

Keith Harvey: Yeah. Bill, first, your assessment of what we are looking at in Q4 is right on. You know, you look at the run rate we had in the first half of the year. We expect that to come back, you know, very close to those levels. Now we're still finalizing the phase seven at Trittwood, so that's going to cut into the fourth quarter a little bit, but I wouldn't expect that to impact shipments any more than 5% or 10% off of the first half. With respect to destocking and where we see in 2026, you know, we're going to be able to give you a much clearer view of that in February of next year. I will say that, you know, as we had anticipated, we're beginning to see these ramp rates continue to increase.

Speaker #5: We expect that to come back , you know , very close to those levels . Now we're you know , we're still finalizing the phase seven at Trentwood .

Speaker #5: So that's going to cut into the fourth quarter a little bit . But I wouldn't expect that to impact shipments any more than , you know , 5 or 10% off of the first half .

Speaker #5: With respect to destocking and where we see in 2026 , you know , we're going to be able to give you a much clearer view of that in in February of next year .

Speaker #5: But I will say that , you know , as we had anticipated , we're beginning to see these ramp rates continue to increase .

Speaker #5: And when those build rates up , you know that expedites the the , the condition and the inventory level . So I think Boeing and others are on a really good pace moving forward .

Keith Harvey: When those build rates up, you know, that expedites the condition and the inventory level. I think Boeing and others are on a really good pace moving forward. As you saw, we had another rate increase, and most of these rate increases generally around five ship sets ramp increments. I would expect to see a couple, two or three more of those as we go into 2026. It's just expediting the situation we've had, and I think it'll be continued improvement. We'll have more detailed information on that in February.

Speaker #5: You saw we had another rate increase and most of these rate increases generally around five , you know , ship sets , ramp increments .

Speaker #5: And I would expect to see a couple , 2 or 3 more of those as we go into 2026 . So again , it's just expediting the situation .

Speaker #5: We've had . And I think it'll be continued improvement . We'll have more detailed information on that in February .

Speaker #7: Okay . Yeah . Fair enough . On on packaging . It sounds like you're prioritizing more higher value add . But I guess , you know , in terms of your contract negotiations , where where do the last I guess , renegotiations stand and when these new packaging contracts kick in , how should we think about , you know , the magnitude of the pricing uplift as we as we look into next year ?

Bill Peterson: Okay. Yeah, fair enough. On packaging, it sounds like you're prioritizing more higher value add. In terms of your contract negotiations, where do the last, I guess, renegotiations stand? When these new packaging contracts kick in, how should we think about the magnitude of the pricing uplift as we look into next year?

Speaker #5: Yeah . Well , we're staying pretty firm with our 3 to 400 basis points increase on the EBITDA side of the EBITDA margin side of the business here .

Keith Harvey: Yeah, we're staying pretty firm with our 300 to 400 basis points increase on the EBITDA margin side of the business here, Bill. We've had great progress throughout the year with regard to putting those contracts in place. I've been very pleased with the progress there. We're down to, quite frankly, one last major customer, long-term customer with Kaiser Aluminum Corporation, and that's really progressed well. I believe that will be finalized before the end of the year, and you'll start to see those ramp-ups and the change in the volume. If you go look at our conversion per pound rate that's happened, you'll see some pretty significant growth over the last four to five quarters, and that's even before we put in the new capacities. I'm expecting some pretty accelerated rates there. I'll give you some insight.

Speaker #5: Bill , you know , we've had great progress throughout the year with regard to putting those contracts in place , been very pleased with the progress there .

Speaker #5: You know , we're down to , quite frankly , one last major customer , long term customer with Kaiser . And that's really progressed well .

Speaker #5: I believe that will be finalized before the end of the year, and you'll start to see those ramp-ups and the change in the volume.

Speaker #5: If you go look at our conversion per pound rate, that's happened, you'll see some pretty significant growth over the last 4 to 5 quarters.

Speaker #5: And that's even before we've put in the new capacities . So I'm expecting some pretty accelerated rates there . You know , I'll give you some insight .

Speaker #5: We're people . The other question has been asked of us quite a good bit is or will that be fully committed then we'll we'll walk be at full total run rate .

Keith Harvey: People, the other question that's been asked of us quite a good bit is, will that be fully committed? Will Warwick be at full total run rate? I can tell you, no, we're going to actually take the measured approach next year. We're only going to put out about 75% or 80% of that capacity just to make sure that we don't get ourselves in a situation where we're not giving exemplary delivery performance back to our customer base. They've struggled a little bit with the delays we've had this year, but I believe the outcome is going to be really solid. We're really looking forward to cranking this thing up beginning the first of the year.

Speaker #5: And I can tell you we're going to actually take the measured approach next year . We're only going to put out about 75 or 85 , 80% of that capacity , just to make sure that we don't get ourselves in a situation where we're not , you know , giving , you know , exemplary delivery performance back to our customer base .

Speaker #5: They've struggled a little bit with the delays . We've had this year . But I believe , you know , the outcome is going to be really solid .

Speaker #5: So we're really looking forward to cranking this thing up . Beginning first of the year .

Speaker #7: Thanks . That maybe just a housekeeping you talked about the commissioning charge . How much is that was between the quote line and versus stage seven and how much do you is there any more that we should expect in the fourth quarter ?

Bill Peterson: Yeah, thanks for that. Maybe just a housekeeping. You talked about the commissioning charge. How much is that between the row coat line versus phase seven, and how much do you, is there any more that we should expect in the fourth quarter?

Speaker #5: Well , I would I would say it's fair to bet the majority of that was related to the the work rokote for startup .

Keith Harvey: I would say it's fair to bet the majority of that was related to the Warwick row coat for startup. As we've talked in the past, Trittwood's, even though these startups are always difficult and there's some uncertainty associated with them, for Trittwood, who's done six of these prior, they managed through this very well. Very, very little impact of that cost was out of that $20 million. I will say we do expect less cost through the balance of the year. We expect that number to be lower, as I mentioned in my comments, and then to have this well positioned to fully execute in January of next year.

Speaker #5: Okay . As we've talked in the past , Trent Woods , even though these start ups are always difficult and , you know , we there's some uncertainty associated with them .

Speaker #5: You know , for Trentwood who's done seven of six of these prior , they managed through this very well . And and so very , very little impact to that cost was impact was that $20 million .

Speaker #5: Now will say we we do expect less cost through the balance of the year . We expect that number to be lower . As I mentioned in my comments .

Speaker #5: And then to have this well positioned to fully execute in January of next year .

Speaker #7: Okay , thanks . I'll pass it on .

Bill Peterson: Okay, thanks for that. I'll pass it on.

Speaker #5: Thank you Bill . Thanks .

Keith Harvey: Thank you, Bill.

Speaker #8: Bill .

Speaker #3: The next question is from Timna Tanners from Wells Fargo . Please go ahead .

Bill Peterson: Thanks, Bill.

Kim Orlando: The next question is from Timna Tanners from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker #9: Yeah . Hey . Good morning , Keith and team . Nice to catch up . I wanted to hear a little bit more about the impact of tariffs .

Timna Tanners: Yeah, hey, good morning, Keith and team. Nice to catch up. Wanted to hear a little bit more about the impact of tariffs. I feel like we're getting kind of into that a couple of quarters since they've been announced. How are your customers, any pushback on prices with your customers, any ability to take more share from import, or anything else you can elaborate on would be great.

Speaker #9: I feel like that , you know , we're getting kind of , you know , into that a couple quarters since they've been announced and , you know , how are how are your any any pushback on prices with your customers .

Speaker #9: Any ability to take more share from import or anything else you can elaborate on would be great .

Speaker #5: Yeah . Hey , good morning Tim . Nice to hear you again . Hey . Yeah , the tariffs we remain neutral to slightly positive from our perspective .

Keith Harvey: Yeah. Hey, good morning, Tim. Nice to hear you again. Yeah, the tariffs, we remain neutral to slightly positive from our perspective. As you know, all of our facilities are North America based. We do have one extrusion facility in Canada. The impact to us is, as I said, neutral to slightly positive. I'll explain the positives, and you mentioned those quite well, quite frankly, in your opening comments there. First of all, what we've seen is a large move on the premiums associated with the LME. As we, you know, the majority, if not all, of our business has pretty straight pass-through on those costs. We enable that, move that through to our customers. We're mindful that that's gone up significantly and that that could come down, but we'll see how negotiations progress with USMCA and other things.

Speaker #5: As you know , all of our facilities are North America based . We do have one extrusion facility in Canada . But but the impact to us is , is as as I said , neutral .

Speaker #5: Slightly positive . And I'll explain the positives . And you mentioned those quite well . Quite frankly in your in your opening comments , there .

Speaker #5: First of all , what we've seen is a large move on the premiums associated with the LME . And so as we , you know , the majority if not all of our business has pretty straight pass through on those costs .

Speaker #5: So we enable that , move that through to to our customers . You know , mindful that , that , that that's gone up significantly and , and , and that , that could come down .

Speaker #5: But we'll see how negotiations progress with Usmca and other things . But on the on the positive side , what we've done in the marketplace is that it is a little more difficult for imports .

Keith Harvey: On the positive side, what we've done in the marketplace is that it is a little more difficult for imports, and they've come into more about the same type of the inability to rapidly lower their prices below us as a result of that premium. So far, we're seeing better demand for domestic products. Because of the large portfolio of products that we provide to our service centers and other customers in the marketplace, we're seeing good pull on that demand. As you can reflect in our general engineering business, that throughout the year, which has held up amazingly well, and not just from a demand perspective, but also on the pricing front. We see opportunities. Again, we've got a lot of this capacity. The Trittwood capacity can we expect to also help us strengthen on the GE side of the business.

Speaker #5: And they they've come into more about the same type of inability to rapidly lower their prices below us as a result of that premium .

Speaker #5: And so for we're we're seeing better demand for domestic products . And because of the large portfolio of products that we provide to our service centers and other customers in the marketplace , we're seeing good pull on that demand as , as as you .

Speaker #5: Can reflect in our general engineering business that throughout the year , which has held up amazingly well and not just from a demand perspective , but also on the on the pricing front .

Speaker #5: And so we we see opportunities again . We've got a lot of this capacity . The Trentwood capacity can we expect to also help us strengthen on the GE side of the business ?

Speaker #5: And if we get a little bit of tailwind beginning in 2026 , I expect really strong demand for GE products and I expect opportunities for additional price enhancement of our business .

Keith Harvey: If we get a little bit of tailwind beginning in 2026, I expect really strong demand for GE products, and I expect opportunities for additional price enhancement of our business. I think we're at the front of the bow wave of this, and we're riding it very well, and I'm very, very pleased with how the operations are performing and meeting this current demand.

Speaker #5: So I think we're we're at the front of the bow wave of this . And we're writing it very well . And I'm very , very pleased with how the operations are performing .

Speaker #5: And meeting this current demand.

Speaker #9: Okay . Helpful . I wanted to touch base , particularly on the packaging side . I know you said that was strong , but we're hearing from our colleague who covers the space that there's some concern about cost inflation impacting demand .

Timna Tanners: Okay, helpful. I wanted to touch base particularly on the packaging side. I know you said that was strong, but we're hearing from our colleague who covers the space that there's some concern about cost inflation impacting demand. I wonder if maybe you're shielded from that a bit, given that you're doing more of the ends and tabs, or any thoughts on the impact on packaging?

Speaker #9: You know , I wonder if maybe you're shielded from that a bit , given that you're doing more of the ins and tabs or any thoughts on on the impact on packaging ?

Speaker #5: Yeah . You know , Timna , this this we're seeing still overall good demand on our products and , you know , I think there's some industry incidents can exacerbate some of the supply scenario .

Keith Harvey: Yeah, you know, Tim, we're seeing still overall good demand on our products. I think there's some industry incidents that can exacerbate some of the supply scenario at different times. I know we had our challenges at the beginning of the year. I think others have had some challenges. Overall, I feel the demand for aluminum substrate products and packaging are very strong. I'll remind you that a good portion of our business is food related, and that's held up very strong. We still continue to see that, quite frankly, outpace the demand for beverage. We may be insulated from that somewhat based on the markets that we serve, but overall, we're not seeing anyone reduce or wanting to reduce the capacities that we're contracted for. Matter of fact, we continue to have customers asking for more. That's really the basis behind our comments and where we see our business.

Speaker #5: Different times . I know we had our challenges . You know , at the beginning of the year . You know , I think others have had some challenges .

Speaker #5: But but overall , I feel the demand for aluminum substrate products and packaging are very strong . You know , I'll remind you that a good portion of our business is food related .

Speaker #5: And that's that's held up very strong . And we still continue to see that , quite frankly , outpace the , the the demand for beverage .

Speaker #5: And so we may be insulated from that somewhat based on the markets that we serve . But overall , we're not seeing anyone reduce or wanting to reduce the capacities that we're contracted for .

Speaker #5: Matter of fact, we continue to have customers asking for more. So that's really the basis behind our comments and where we see our business.

Speaker #9: Okay . That makes sense . Along those same lines , actually , one of your competitors had an outage recently that's caused some attention to the space and where there might be spare capacity .

Timna Tanners: Okay, that makes sense. Along those same lines, actually, one of your competitors had an outage recently that's caused some attention to the space and where there might be spare capacity. I don't think you're a player in the auto sheet market, but do you have spare capacity if needed to fill in for can sheet?

Speaker #9: So I don't think you're a player in the auto sheet market , but do you have spare capacity if needed , to fill in for canned sheet ?

Speaker #5: We're we're actually fairly full right now , Timna . I mean , the you know , I it's really difficult for me to see when others have challenges because I've lived those before .

Keith Harvey: We're actually fairly full right now, Tim. I mean, you know, it's really difficult for me to see when others have challenges because I've lived those before. A lot of times, we're in positions to help our customers. I think our customers have expectations that, Kaiser, we want you to hit your commitments to us. We're beginning to do those very well as our equipment ramps up. We're really not in a strong pace to do anything other than that. As you know, a lot of that is probably bare product that's coming into the market, and we've been busy shifting our capacity more to the coated side. We're really not one of the areas to help on the bare in a very big way.

Speaker #5: A lot of times we're in positions to help our customers . I think our customers have expectations that Kaiser , we want you to hit your commitments to us .

Speaker #5: And and we're we're beginning to do those very well as as our equipment ramps up . Really not in a strong pace to do anything other than that .

Speaker #5: As , as as , you know , a lot of that is probably bare product that's coming into the market . And we're we've been busy shifting our capacity more to the coated side .

Speaker #5: So we're really not one of the areas to help on the bear in, in a very big way.

Speaker #9: Okay . Helpful . And I guess I'll just ask one last one . But kind of a big picture , you know , I know you talked about 2025 guidance and its appreciated , but we're almost done with the year .

Timna Tanners: Okay, helpful. I guess I'll just ask one last one, but kind of a big picture. You know, I know you talked about 2025 guidance, and it's appreciated, but we're almost done with the year and looking ahead to 2026. How do we think about the cadence of the ramp-up of some of these new facilities? Is it full run rate Q1 and straight line, or do we kind of have some gradual improvements even as the year progresses? Thanks again.

Speaker #9: And looking ahead to 2026 , how do we think about the cadence of the ramp up of some of these . The new facilities .

Speaker #9: Is it , you know , full run rate Q1 and straight line or do we kind of have some gradual improvements even as the year progresses ?

Speaker #9: Thanks again .

Speaker #5: Yeah , it's a great question . We look for for purposes of making sure we don't disappoint customers . There's somewhat of a ramp rate that we're going to be putting into our into our outlooks in the first half of the year , but but those are going to be marginal with strong demand .

Keith Harvey: Yeah, it's a great question. We look for purposes of making sure we don't disappoint customers. There's somewhat of a ramp rate that we're going to be putting into our outlooks in the first half of the year, but those are going to be marginal. With strong demand, expectations are that all the businesses, all these major growth investments will be behind us. We're quite frankly ready to hit the run at rate buttons as quick as we can. We'll give you more insight as to what we think the cadence of that, by probably first half to second half.

Speaker #5: You know , expectations are that all the businesses , you know , all these major growth investments will be behind us . And we're quite frankly ready to ready to hit the run at rate buttons as quick as we can .

Speaker #5: And again , we'll give you more insight as to what we think the cadence of that . You know , by probably first half to second half , I think it's fair to say the second half with demand coming with , I think ramp moving up on arrow as packaging continues to show full , full ramp rate and especially if GE becomes on a little stronger next year , I think you'll see some .

Keith Harvey: I think it's fair to say the second half with demand coming, with I think ramp moving up on aerospace and high-strength aluminum products as packaging continues to show full ramp rate, and especially if general engineering aluminum products becomes on a little stronger next year, I think you'll see some, we'll begin to see some of these rates that we had expectations for this business. I'm going to be very thankful that we've got these growth assets in place to be able to take full advantage of those next year. I'm pretty excited about next year.

Speaker #5: We'll begin to see some of these rates that we had expectations for this business. And I'm going to be very thankful that we've got these growth assets in place to be able to take full advantage of those next year.

Speaker #5: So I'm pretty excited about next year.

Speaker #9: Okay . Great . Thanks again .

Timna Tanners: Okay, great. Thanks again.

Speaker #5: Thank you .

Keith Harvey: Thank you.

Speaker #3: There are no further questions at this time . I would like to turn the floor back over to Keith Harvey CEO for closing comments .

Kim Orlando: There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Keith Harvey, CEO, for closing comments.

Speaker #5: Oh thank you . Operator . Thank you for your time and interest in Kaiser . We're excited about our future and we look forward to sharing our full year 2025 results in February of next year .

Keith Harvey: Thank you, operator. Thank you for your time and interest in Kaiser Aluminum Corporation. We're excited about our future, and we look forward to sharing our full year 2025 results in February of next year. Have a good rest of your day, and thank you.

Speaker #5: Have a good rest of your day and thank you .

Kim Orlando: This concludes today's teleconference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.