Q3 2025 First Commonwealth Financial Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Thank you for standing by . My name is Danielle , and I will be your conference operator today . At this time , I would like to welcome everyone to the first Commonwealth Financial Corporation Conference call .
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Speaker #4: Thank you . Danielle , and good afternoon , everyone . Thank you for joining us today to discuss First Commonwealth Financial Corporation's third quarter financial results .
Speaker #4: Participating on today's call will be Mike price , president and CEO , Jim Reske , Chief Financial Officer Jane Thank , president and Chief Revenue Officer Brian Suhocki , chief Credit Officer .
Speaker #4: And Mike McEwen, Chief Lending Officer. As a reminder, a copy of yesterday's earnings release can be accessed by logging on to F.C.
Speaker #4: Banking and selecting the Investor Relations link at the top of the page. We have also included a slide presentation on our Investor Relations website with supplemental information that will be referenced during today's call.
Speaker #4: Before we begin , I need to caution listeners that this call will contain forward looking statements . Please refer to our forward looking statements .
Speaker #4: Disclaimer on page three of the slide presentation for a description of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected in the forward-looking statement.
Speaker #4: Today's call will also include non-GAAP financial measures . non-GAAP financial measures should be viewed in addition to , and not as an alternative for or reported results prepared in , in accordance with GAAP .
Speaker #4: Reconciliation of these measures can be found in the appendix of today's slide presentation. With that, I will turn the call over to Mike.
Speaker #5: Thank you . Ryan . Our performance in the third quarter reflects broad based momentum across our regions and lines of business . Key highlights include a return on assets improved to 1.34% , and our core pre-tax pre-provision ROA through ten basis points to 2.05% .
Speaker #5: Net interest margin expanded nine basis points to 3.92%, marking another quarter of improvement. Average deposits increased 4%, reflecting balanced growth across all of our geographies.
Speaker #5: The cost of deposits declined seven basis points to 1.84% , underscoring effective pricing discipline balanced with growth . Loans were up $137 million , or 5.7% , despite some payoff headwinds in commercial real estate loan growth saw meaningful contributions from equipment finance , commercial banking , indirect and home equity lending .
Speaker #5: Mortgage lending provided a headwind to balance sheet growth , although some of that runoff was by design and the outlook for the business is improving .
Speaker #5: Geographically , we had strong loan contributions from all markets in Ohio and Pennsylvania . Fee income remained resilient post Durban , representing 18% of total revenue .
Speaker #5: A healthy quarter over quarter improvement in our wealth business was offset by slower gain on sale income . The third quarter efficiency ratio improved to 52.3% , from 54.1% in the second quarter , reflecting good expense control .
Speaker #5: Tangible book value grew 11.6% annualized on a linked quarter basis and 9.1% year over year on the credit side. Core provision expense increased by $2.4 million quarter over quarter, reaching $11.3 million as disclosed last quarter.
Speaker #5: We had a $31.9 million dealer floor plan customer who was out of trust in the second quarter. We set aside $4.2 million in reserves for this relationship.
Speaker #5: In the third quarter , a receiver was appointed to liquidate the collateral . The out of trust amount and related liquidation costs rose as the process evolved .
Speaker #5: During the third quarter, $5.5 million was charged off, and an additional $3.1 million was added to reserves, resulting in a net provision impact.
Speaker #5: For this relationship of $4.4 million in the third quarter . This recent dealer floor plan fraud is isolated , and we expect it to be largely resolved by year end .
Speaker #5: As of September 30th, our floor plan exposures totaled $122 million across 21 traditional auto and RV relationships, with individual exposures ranging from $2 million to $18 million.
Speaker #5: Net charge offs for the quarter were $12.2 million , primarily driven by the aforementioned $5.5 million dealer floor plan . Charge off and $2.8 million associated associated with the sale of five recently acquired center bank loans .
Speaker #5: This was an opportunistic sale , utilizing the allocated loan mark from the acquisition , with only $100,000 in provision expense . These two items accounted for 34 basis points of the quarter's 51 basis points of net charge offs , with the dealer for plan relationship now at $16 million .
Speaker #5: Nonperforming loans declined to 0.91%, compared to 1.04% in the prior quarter. Our loan portfolio maintains negligible exposure to private credit funds, equipment finance firms, and office or subprime lenders.
Speaker #5: Our recent center bank acquisition in Cincinnati is exceeding our customer retention expectations. We're grateful for the opportunity that the acquisition has given us to accelerate the build-out of that region.
Speaker #5: On the digital front , we see good growth in services and high digital satisfaction and survey results . We continue to add customer facing features to our platform and to improve productivity , to the use of RPA and AI .
Speaker #5: We are excited about the outlook for First Commonwealth and the confluence of profitable growth. A regional focus is leading to better low-cost deposit gathering and higher fee income, coupled with lower credit costs in the future.
Speaker #5: With that , I'll turn it over to Jim Rusk , our CFO . Thanks , Mike . This quarter's core results .
Speaker #6: Show you what a little bit of nim expansion and loan growth can do. Pre-tax pre-provision net revenue, or PPNR, was up by $4.3 million over last quarter, and nearly every financial metric improved. An increase in spread income overcame a modest decline in fee income and a negligible increase in expenses, leading to improvements in core EPS.
Speaker #6: Nim core ROA core ROI , and efficiency . And even though provision and charge offs are up , as Mike mentioned earlier , the key asset quality measures of non-performing loans and classified loans improved from last quarter as well .
Speaker #6: So let's look at the details . Spread income improved by $4.9 million over last quarter on balanced loan and deposit growth . The net interest margin , or Nim , expanded by nine basis points from 3.83% last 2:45 .92 percent this quarter .
Speaker #6: The expansion was primarily driven by a seven basis point decrease in the cost of deposits to 1.84%. Loan yields were largely flat this quarter as a three basis point decrease in purchase accounting.
Speaker #6: Marks was mostly made up for by a $25 million macro swap that matured on August 25th, as well as the continued upward repricing of fixed-rate loans.
Speaker #6: Fourth quarter Nim will feel the full effect of the Fed's September cut and potentially today , as well as any further cuts during the quarter , offset by the continued upward repricing of fixed rate loans as well as the expiration of $75 million of macro swaps in the fourth quarter , plus , there's usually a seasonal decline in deposits this time of year , which we would need to replace with more expensive borrowings if the past predicts the future .
Speaker #6: These factors could put some short term downward pressure on the Nim in the fourth quarter , but we expect the new to recover in 2026 to roughly the level of the quarter just ended , or about 3.9% , give or take five basis points .
Speaker #6: As usual in 2026 , the expiration of $175 million in macro swaps and the expected continued upward . The continuation of upward fixed rate loan repricing helps to blunt the effect of falling short term rates on loan yields that projection assumes that we will have two more rate cuts this quarter , and four next year , resulting in a steepening yield curve .
Speaker #6: It also assumes that we continue our mid-single digit loan and deposit growth , along with projected improvements in the deposit mix . That we expect will bring the cost of deposits down .
Speaker #6: In keeping with the projected decline in loan yields . Core fee income , excluding securities gains , declined slightly from last quarter by $261,000 .
Speaker #6: As Mike mentioned, we had lower gain on sale income, which was due to some REO gains in the second quarter and a $400,000 decrease in SBA gain on sale income.
Speaker #6: These decreases were somewhat offset by improved performance in our wealth division , with trust up 0.5 million and brokerage up 0.4 million from last quarter .
Speaker #6: We expect fee income to gradually increase in 2026 . Core non-interest expense or any excluding merger expense , was up slightly from last quarter by $350,000 , largely due to salary expense driven by increased incentive accruals based on recent performance and loan growth .
Speaker #6: Looking forward, we currently expect expenses will grow by approximately 3% next year. We repurchased approximately 625,000 shares in the third quarter at an average price of $16.81.
Speaker #6: We had $20.7 million of share repurchase authorization remaining at quarter-end, most of which we intend to execute on for the remainder of Q4.
Speaker #6: Assuming our share price remains close to current levels . And with that , we'll take any questions you may have .
Speaker #3: We will now begin our question and answer portion. If you would like to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Our first question is from Daniel Tamayo of Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Thank you . Good afternoon everyone . Maybe we just start on the on the credit side . You know , it seems like the everything was kind of ring fenced for the most part around the credits .
Speaker #7: You referenced the floor plan and the credits from center . Let me just make sure I have this right . So the floor plan relationship at quarter end is $16 million .
Speaker #7: You gave some info on the on the floor plan . In total , 122 million . I think , Mike . But but the floor plan relationship with the fraud is 16 million now and then .
Speaker #7: Do you have the . That's right . Sorry .
Speaker #5: That's correct. It went from $31.9 million to $16 million last quarter and $122 million overall. Floor plan exposure.
Speaker #7: Okay . And the the I guess remaining stress in that particular relationship you expect to be resolved in the fourth quarter or did I not hear that ?
Speaker #5: Yeah, largely we're just unwinding it.
Speaker #7: Okay, okay. And what are the reserves on that loan now? Did you say?
Speaker #5: There are 4.4 .
Speaker #7: 4.4 okay . And then and then the the relationship from the center acquisition that that is driving these . What are the numbers on that ?
Speaker #7: I don't know if I have those.
Speaker #5: Yeah, there were five recently acquired center bank loans, and we had an opportunity to sell those loans with a minimal hit.
Speaker #5: So, I don't know if you want to expand upon that. Yeah, sure.
Speaker #8: Mike , this is Brian . There was there was five loans . They were all marked at our original time of acquisition . And as Mike mentioned , the charge off of 2.8 million resulted in only provision of just over $100,000 for the quarter .
Speaker #8: They were PKD loans, and the mark did not reduce the carrying value. So you see the charge-off, but you don't see the impact on the provision.
Speaker #7: Okay . Thank you . And so those have been sold . Now . And they're they're gone okay . All right . Great .
Speaker #7: And as it relates to the rest of the portfolio then back in the in the kind of historical range for charge offs . Or do you have any thoughts on on where net charge offs kind of or provision whatever is easier to discuss moves here .
Speaker #8: Yeah, no change from prior comments from a charge-off perspective. Expectation is to operate in the mid to high 20 basis point range.
Speaker #8: Last quarter, we said 25 to 30 basis points. Similarly, from a provision basis, you know that will grow with our loan growth, respectively.
Speaker #7: Okay . All right . Terrific . And then I guess just finally on the on the credit side and I'll step back here .
Speaker #7: The MPLS is down at 92 basis points on loans. Does that feel like a relatively comfortable level for you guys? Maybe that's the wrong way to phrase it.
Speaker #7: Do you expect kind of stability from here? Do you expect that number continues to come down?
Speaker #5: We expect it to come down and we have a nice slide in our deck . Our supplementary deck that really shows historically where credit quality has been .
Speaker #5: And we really if you look on page ten , bottom left quadrant , there , you know , we've just been really quite elevated from third quarter of last year , fourth quarter and first quarter of 2025 , where we were between 61 and 76 million of non-performing assets .
Speaker #8: Yeah .
Speaker #7: And I just .
Speaker #8: I just want to add to Mike's comment that, you know, we'll have the tailwind of the majority of the dealer floor plan wind down in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #8: And then kind of normalization of cleanup of the portfolio from there.
Speaker #7: Okay , great . Well , I appreciate all the color , guys . Thanks very much .
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Board . Next question comes from Carl Shepherd from RBC Capital Markets . Please go ahead .
Speaker #9: Hey good afternoon .
Speaker #5: Good afternoon .
Speaker #9: Just a quick one on the floor plan credit. I think you implied this, but as you see it today, there is no incremental provision from this in for Q.
Speaker #5: That's correct .
Speaker #9: Okay . And then , Jim , I guess on the margin , I was a little surprised to not see loan yields tick up a little bit higher .
Speaker #9: So I was hoping you could help us with what the fixed asset repricing was, and then kind of what the accretion headwind was.
Speaker #9: And then just kind of how you see loan yields trending.
Speaker #6: Yeah , the fixed asset repricing was still 87 basis points . That in the third quarter that was a little bit down from the second quarter .
Speaker #6: But partly reflective of the rate cut . So so still positive . That led to positive replacement yields for the portfolio of about 25 basis points .
Speaker #6: Overall, the fixed-rate production right now is running about a third of the total production. So, 87 basis points of positive on fixed rates means the whole portfolio is replaced upward by about 25 basis points.
Speaker #6: But the fixed rate repricing up and repricing hopefully will persist even after there are a few more rate cuts.
Speaker #9: Okay. And then, since you gave it, I guess I'll ask a little bit about the 2026 NIM expectations. In the past, we've talked about your models kind of shooting it up towards 4% or even higher for the margin.
Speaker #9: Is that still the case ? And this is a reflection of maybe a little bit of conservatism or some expectation of competition or just just help us understand kind of , you know , you're pretty thoughtful about this stuff , but what are you what do you see that gives you that ?
Speaker #9: Three, three, 90 number? Thanks.
Speaker #6: Yeah, I appreciate the question. I'm happy to tell you everything about our thinking behind it. Then you can make your own judgments, as usual.
Speaker #6: I don't know if it's a sense of conservatism, but we do have more rate cuts in this projection than we had in the past.
Speaker #6: So there are two this year, and then four by the end of next year. I will tell you that the pattern is not even in the projection we have, which we get from a third party that is probably the same third party most banks use. Rate cuts are quarter by quarter.
Speaker #6: Next year , 28 , 18 , nine and 40 . So the kind of back next quarter . But all that does in the model and that kind of rate scenario is take the yield on loans overall down by 15 basis points .
Speaker #6: And then, because rates are falling, we can take the cost of deposits down by about the same amount, 15 basis points. And that ends up being a picture of NIM stability.
Speaker #6: The the numbers that we're pushing for percent probably just had a slightly higher rate forecast than we have this quarter . The other thing I would note , it's not a parallel yield curve shift .
Speaker #6: Its steepening curve , which is generally , you know , that's good for banks . So that helps a little bit . On the short end and feel the pain .
Speaker #6: The short end, with our loans that are linked to short-term rates. But we're able to bring the deposit costs down.
Speaker #6: And if the mid- to long-end of the curve stays up or goes up a bit, that helps the fixed asset repricing—all that's going in the mix.
Speaker #6: And it's ended up looking, you know, pretty stable from here.
Speaker #9: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #6: Thank you .
Speaker #3: For the next question, we will turn it over to Charlie Disco from KBW. Please go ahead.
Speaker #10: Hey, good afternoon. This is Charlie on for Kelly.
Speaker #5: Good to have you .
Speaker #10: With a lot of the NIM expansion driven by the deposit repricing this quarter, and then expecting the pace of cuts to increase here.
Speaker #10: Can you kind of flush out some of the deposit repricing dynamics going forward? Maybe just dive into the drivers behind the near compression and then a little bit of the neutrality from there.
Speaker #10: Thank you .
Speaker #6: Yeah, just to give you a little color on the deposits. This is Jim; a little color on the deposits. What's happening in Q3?
Speaker #6: We're really happy to see the deposit balances growing. That was really what we kept saying using this term: that was the knife edge.
Speaker #6: This year to be able to grow deposit balances and still bring the cost of deposits down . But we've been able to do that .
Speaker #6: What happened is that we have grown this time. We increased our deposit portfolio and kept that deposit portfolio for a relatively short time, like most banks.
Speaker #6: So in the second quarter , for example , we had $407 million of CD maturities . The third quarter , we had over 800 million .
Speaker #6: So it's management and managing them, being able to reprice them at maturity downward while still keeping the retention rate at an acceptable level.
Speaker #6: The retention rates have been pretty good on time deposits. They always end up being around 80%, which we think is about the industry average.
Speaker #6: Anyway . And then if you look at other deposits like money markets , our our transaction accounts , our retention rates on those are actually over 90% , which we think is better than the industry average .
Speaker #6: We kind of track that pretty closely. Then I'll give you one more factoid. Just if it helps you on money market accounts, we've been able to reprice those as well.
Speaker #6: So in the second quarter and the second quarter , money market accounts , 83% of the money market accounts had a yield over 3% , 83% of the money market account balances had yield over 3% .
Speaker #6: And now that it has gone from 83% to 49%, we've been able to kind of manage the price through that while still maintaining even deposit balances.
Speaker #6: Hope that extra color answers your question and is a little helpful.
Speaker #10: Yeah , that's great . Color . I appreciate that . Yeah , I would just .
Speaker #5: This is Mike . I would just add that for the people in the room , Mike McEwen , Jim Rusk , Jim Gibbons and Norm Montgomery , they monitor this every other week and they're looking at the loan and deposit volumes that come on .
Speaker #5: They're looking at the net impact on liquidity and also the impact on margins . This is something that we feel between our fingers every other week .
Speaker #5: And we make game day decisions of where we're at and where we're going and how we're going to get there . And I just love the process .
Speaker #5: And it also just keeps us informed . And what's happening in the bank .
Speaker #6: By the way , all of us speaking for all of us , supported by great teams of people , all the time to kind of give us , feed us data and help us keep our fingers on that pulse .
Speaker #10: I appreciate the insight into the wood works there regarding organic growth . It's coming pretty steady . Can you just speak to the expectations ?
Speaker #10: Moving forward ? If payoffs are starting to pick up , maybe sizing up that headwind and on the talent you got from central Bank or anything in particular you're focusing on or excited about in terms of growth ?
Speaker #10: Thank you .
Speaker #5: Yeah. Some of the payoffs that we've seen are really healthy: commercial real estate projects refinancing into permanent markets, non-recourse in the fives.
Speaker #5: So that's not something we're going to do . And so that's that's some of the headwind that we see . That's continued into the into the fourth quarter .
Speaker #5: However we have a lot of we just have a lot of offense between consumer mortgage equipment finance , indirect auto it , our loan growth is going to be more constrained by liquidity versus our ability to go out and execute .
Speaker #5: So that's kind of that's going to be the check rein on all of this . Mike McEwen , anything you want to add ?
Speaker #5: I totally agree .
Speaker #6: Yeah, I agree. I think the volumes and the production.
Speaker #5: Volumes are good tempered .
Speaker #6: By .
Speaker #8: Some payoffs, but I feel pretty good going into next.
Speaker #6: Year when production results .
Speaker #5: Yeah. And our guidance remains mid-single digits. You know, just a surprising bright spot this past quarter is growing home equity loans.
Speaker #5: You know, like $15 or $16 million. And so we just have a lot of ways to get there.
Speaker #10: Awesome . Thank you . Oh , thanks for taking my questions . I'll step back .
Speaker #3: If you would like to ask a question, press star and the number one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Matthew Breese from Stephens Incorporated.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead .
Speaker #11: Hey . Good afternoon .
Speaker #5: Hey , Matt .
Speaker #11: Jim, you had mentioned that with the Fed cuts, you expect a little bit of near-term NIM pressure. To what extent might we see NIM pressure in the fourth quarter?
Speaker #6: Yeah . So it's hard to guess . I mean , even the standard guidance I was giving , I always says I always say plus or minus five basis points because every model is imperfect .
Speaker #6: That's probably in that range . It I don't know if it would go as far as 5 to 10 . Matt . That'd be a little extreme for the one quarter .
Speaker #6: Then to bounce back . So it's probably in the five basis point range .
Speaker #11: Okay . Is it possible you know , let's just say we get we get a few cuts this quarter . We're down to five Bips .
Speaker #11: Is it possible we can get down another couple of basis points in the first quarter from bleed over, and maybe an additional cut in the first quarter as well?
Speaker #11: Before we start to see some stabilization.
Speaker #6: Yeah , absolutely possible . I mean , so much of it . We're trying to do a projection based on a rate forecast , which has the timing of rates implied within it , but when our bank , we've just seen that the reality is there's a lag .
Speaker #6: So, you do a rate. If there's a rate cut, it hits their prime portfolio and SOFAs portfolio right away. And then there's a lag in how we price the deposits.
Speaker #6: So there's always it's never it's never perfect . So you get some effects right away . And then over time the liability side catches up and there's seasonal change in deposits .
Speaker #6: I'm just throwing that out there so that people aren't surprised about that . We kind of see this every year . We saw , you know , in different categories .
Speaker #6: Some of us are just consumers doing holiday spending, but there are also those in the fourth quarter to the first quarter, with commercial accounts as well.
Speaker #6: So, that happens just like it does every year. We'll be borrowing at the marginal rate, and that's a little more expensive.
Speaker #6: So then it recovers over the earlier part of the year. Next year.
Speaker #11: And then you'd also mentioned that you expect some improvement in deposit mix next year. What's behind that assumption? And maybe help us out with where you think we'll see some of the largest kind of mix shifts.
Speaker #11: .
Speaker #6: We just have a real push towards transaction accounts. I gave some time deposit numbers a few minutes ago. We've grown time deposits because we had to do some of that just to raise the deposit balances.
Speaker #6: But we have a deep, deep push towards transaction accounts across the bank, both in the consumer and commercial chain. If you wanted to add that, this is kind of your.
Speaker #12: I think just reiterate it . And , you know , it's a grind . Because action accounts for a grind . And grinding on it for a couple of years now and starting to to that labor .
Speaker #12: And we'll just keep grinding.
Speaker #11: Got it . Okay .
Speaker #6: Yep . Thank you .
Speaker #11: Maybe just a couple more . Yeah . Please . Securities . Securities were down this quarter . We're now below 13% of total assets .
Speaker #11: It feels on the low side for you. Could we see some growth there in the coming quarters?
Speaker #6: Probably not. I think we're going to hold it about where it is. I mean, our plan right now is to replace the runoff really slow anyway.
Speaker #6: But replace it and really not grow that portfolio . Part of that thinking is that we just want to use that liquidity , use our liquidity for loan growth and and not leverage up the bank by borrowing money to buy securities .
Speaker #6: So probably where you see it now is a level we're going to plan to hold it probably through 26 .
Speaker #11: Great. And then just on equipment, equipment finance continues to be a real driver of underlying CNI. Is plus 10% a quarter sustainable, or where do we start to see that revert to the mean?
Speaker #5: We're probably about a year away . This is Mike price and we've been really pleased . We've been pleased with the the yields and also with the the credit performance .
Speaker #5: And, but we also have a team that's been doing this for about 25 years, so feel good about that. Mike, anything you want to add?
Speaker #6: No I .
Speaker #5: Think there's some incentives this year when it comes to.
Speaker #6: Depreciation and .
Speaker #5: The impact and benefit.
Speaker #6: Equipment finance , at least for the next few quarters , feel pretty good about that growth . Yeah .
Speaker #11: That's all I had. I'll leave it there. Thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Speaker #3: For the next question, we have Daniel Cardenas from Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead.
Speaker #13: Hey good afternoon guys . Hey Dan , could you provide some color on competitive factors on the lending side right now ? I've heard , you know , a lot of give on on structure and pricing and various markets .
Speaker #13: Wondering if you're seeing the same thing within your footprint.
Speaker #5: I do think it depends on the market , Dan , and I'll let Mike take this . This is his . But I think there's a big difference between Columbus , Ohio and rural Pennsylvania .
Speaker #5: But there's Mike. What would you add? I would say yields margin on the yields is probably.
Speaker #8: Dropped 25 basis .
Speaker #6: Points over the course of the year .
Speaker #8: And we .
Speaker #5: Really haven't changed much in our structure or approach.
Speaker #6: But .
Speaker #5: That's hurt the yields . The earlier question I would say that some of the metro markets are much more competitive .
Speaker #6: Than the rural markets, as Mike just said.
Speaker #5: Structure .
Speaker #6: We it's got more .
Speaker #5: Aggressive .
Speaker #6: We mentioned the permanent markets: the agency lending.
Speaker #5: Those are very aggressive, right?
Speaker #6: Now .
Speaker #5: It's not something .
Speaker #8: We do , but it .
Speaker #6: Does impact our balance .
Speaker #8: Sheet . .
Speaker #5: That helpful Dan .
Speaker #13: Yes , sir . Yes . Appreciate that . And then maybe color on the M&A for I mean we've seen activity pick up a little bit here recently .
Speaker #13: Wondering what you’re seeing come across your desk of chatter picked up, or if it’s slowed down from last quarter.
Speaker #6: I think .
Speaker #5: There's more conversations . I think for us , you know , we really wanted to help our depository and our liquidity and , you know , we've had .
Speaker #5: But a lot of a lot of conversations that were pretty prudent , maybe too prudent at times . As I said last quarter .
Speaker #5: But we're hopeful that we can grow through acquisition . We've we've been stuck at about 12.5 billion . And , you know , crossing ten , you normally lose a lot of your mojo as it relates to your profitability .
Speaker #5: We've been able to maintain that, really, with an eye to realistically getting to 140. We felt a little short this quarter because of credit on the ROA side.
Speaker #5: But we just—it's not an excuse. We need to have a great NIM, and we need to have a great ROA, irrespective of the size.
Speaker #5: But certainly if we had a right acquisition or two , that could that could get us down the road a couple billion dollars more , that would be terrific .
Speaker #5: You know , our bias is generally smaller because of the risk better . And make sure that it's a good depository that can help our liquidity and help fund the bank .
Speaker #5: And I don't know if that's particularly helpful . Dan .
Speaker #13: Yeah , no , no , it is it is . All right . All my other questions have been asked and answered . I'll step back .
Speaker #3: That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the conference back over to Mike Price for closing remarks.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate your interest in our company. I would just add that we really shifted to deliver the bank regionally, and we really expect the payoff of that to be not just a better delivery of the mission, but also better growth in households and low-cost deposits.
Speaker #5: And the depository . And then also better grow our fee income . We do feel like we can grow the loans . And the other thing that's kind of interesting and exciting , I think , is as as we look at as an executive team , 30 operating plans for our lines of business , for our business units , for our geographies , as part of our strategic planning process , we really feel there's probably , you know , one , 2 or 3 ways that we can continue to get more efficient using technology .
Speaker #5: You know, like robotic process automation or AI, or just better straight-through processes. And we just have bright people that can look at their operation and make it better.
Speaker #5: And so there's just a lot of things that we're excited about. We're looking to move the company forward and make it better.
Speaker #5: And we just also have a pretty talented team up and down throughout the organization. So thank you again. I look forward to being with a number of you over the course of the ensuing weeks.
Speaker #5: And just appreciate you .