Q3 2025 Carlsmed Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Ladies and gentlemen , thank you for standing by and welcome to the CARLSMED, INC. . Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call . At this time , all participants are in a listen only mode .
Speaker #2: After the speakers presentation , there will be a question and answer session . I would now like to turn the conference over to your first speaker today , Caroline Corner , Investor Relations .
Speaker #2: Please go ahead, Caroline.
Speaker #3: Thank you . Operator . Welcome to CARLSMED, INC. third quarter 2020 Earnings call . Joining me on today's call are Mike Cordonnier , Chief Executive Officer and chairman .
Speaker #3: And Leo Greenstein , chief financial officer . Before we begin , I would like to caution that comments made during this call will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the private securities litigation Reform Act of 1995 .
Speaker #3: All statements made on this call that do not relate to matters of historical fact should be considered forward looking statements , including statements regarding the market in which CARLSMED, INC. operates , trends , expectations and demand for CARLSMED, INC. products and CARLSMED, INC. expected financial performance and position in the market .
Speaker #3: Any forward looking statement provided during this call , including projections for future performance , is based on management's expectations as of today , CARLSMED, INC. undertakes no obligation to update these statements except as required by applicable law .
Speaker #3: These statements are neither promises nor guarantees and are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results , performance or achievements to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward looking statements .
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Speaker #3: Under the investor section and include additional information about CARLSMED, INC. results . A recording of today's call will also be available on CARLSMED, INC. website by 5 p.m.
Speaker #3: Pacific Time today. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Mike to go over the Carlsmed, Inc. third quarter 2025 business highlights.
Speaker #4: Thank you , Caroline , and welcome everyone to our third quarter 2020 earnings call . The CARLSMED, INC. team has continued to execute on our vision at an exceptionally high level , and I'm thrilled to report another phenomenal quarter with 98% revenue growth year over year .
Speaker #4: I'm also pleased to report that we achieved more than 70% growth in surgeon users over last year's third quarter , while expanding gross margins to 76% and reducing lead times from 20 business days in Q3 2024 to 10 business days in Q3 2025 .
Speaker #4: And now down to eight business days starting in October . Our performance underscores that we're building something truly unique in healthcare , and I could not be prouder of the team and what we've accomplished so far .
Speaker #4: We're growing with purpose , efficiency , and clear differentiation in the market , hungry for transformation . Let me be clear about our vision makes CARLSMED, INC. fundamentally different .
Speaker #4: We aim to establish a new architecture of surgery where patient outcomes are not only more predictable , but as our initial data has demonstrated , our consistently superior , our digital surgery platform continuously learns from real world outcomes , improving its predictive accuracy and deepening the value we deliver to every stakeholder .
Speaker #4: We aim to establish a new architecture of surgery where patient outcomes are not only more predictable , but as our initial data has demonstrated , our consistently superior , our digital surgery platform continuously learns from real world outcomes , improving its predictive accuracy and deepening the value we deliver to and what and hospitals alike .
Speaker #4: Our market opportunity has substantial . There are nearly half a million patients who undergo lumbar spine fusion procedures annually , and our technology applies to almost all of them at our current pricing .
Speaker #4: This equates to estimated $13 billion addressable market . We believe that the current model of spine surgery with one size fits all implants and trial and error outcomes is outdated and unsustainable .
Speaker #4: Revision rates remain high , and both surgeons and patients deserve better real world evidence suggests that our solution can drive better outcomes and sustain lower revisions .
Speaker #4: Because we are fundamentally changing how patients are treated at CARLSMED, INC. , our business begins Pre-operatively , and that's where we believe we are clearly differentiated from traditional spine surgery through our digital surgery platform .
Speaker #4: We model each patient and prepare surgeons for each patient's specific surgery before they enter the O.R. . Our pre-op planning leverages AI with standard imaging modalities to create digital surgical plans and 3D printed implants to deliver precise alignment in the disc space .
Speaker #4: This fundamental change in spine surgery is proven to reduce patient surgical complications and costly revision surgeries . We 3D print patient specific interbody implants on demand with our technology driven approach .
Speaker #4: As of October , we can deliver to the O.R. within eight business days of surgical plan approval . Our capital light business approach with personalized implants and sterile pack , single use instruments eliminates the burdensome management of instrument trays and stock device trays .
Speaker #4: This provides a superior experience and financial profile that delivers highly advantageous operating leverage towards reaching positive cash flows to summarize , we enable surgeons to efficiently and precisely execute the surgical plan with full confidence that they will achieve excellent patient outcomes .
Speaker #4: One of my favorite quotes from atop of Surgeon User is a Prevo makes for a boring day in the Or in the O.R. .
Speaker #4: Boring means predictable , low stress and optimal patient outcomes , and that is the value that we deliver every day . Our growth in the third quarter was fueled by accelerated surge in adoption and increased utilization .
Speaker #4: We grew our surgeon user base by more than 70% year over year , and we saw minimal seasonal utilization headwinds in Q3 , despite the typical summer slowdown .
Speaker #4: We see this as a testament to the growing body of evidence showing the clinical superiority of a prevo over traditional spine fusion surgery .
Speaker #4: As part of our patient centric innovation initiative in the third quarter , we made a strategic investment to further develop technologies and processes throughout our supply chain to reduce lead times and costs increasing capacity for our rapidly scaling business .
Speaker #4: This underpins our ongoing commitment to optimize and scale patient specific implant solutions . As the new standard of care . Of course , it's not just the streamlined planning and delivery of our kits that is built .
Speaker #4: Our surgeon and hospital base . It's our data that gives them the confidence to adopt a prevo in their practice . Revisions impair patients health and quality , and impose a significant economic burden on the health care system .
Speaker #4: With an estimated revision , surgery costs frequently exceeding 100,000 . At CARLSMED, INC. , we built real patient evidence while demonstrated meaningful improvement in reducing re-operations , a recent study published by the International Journal of Spine Surgery comparing Abrysvo to non procedures , showed an 83% reduction in re-operation rates after one year for a low .
Speaker #4: Our most recent published clinical data , presented at the Scoliosis Research Society meeting in September , shows that the approval procedure has reduced revision surgery by more than 75% over two years .
Speaker #4: Data from our registry has resulted in multiple peer reviewed publications , with more to come . The Compass Registry now has 329 patients with over one year of follow up and 170 with greater than two year follow up .
Speaker #4: And we continue to see markedly improvement outcomes with abrysvo procedures versus traditional spine procedures . The data we have collected to date supports our thesis that Abrysvo delivers predictable alignment when it comes to spine fusion surgery .
Speaker #4: Predictable alignment is highly meaningful for patients , surgeons , and health systems at large . Looking ahead , we have three key areas of strategic focus that drive our continued business progress and growth .
Speaker #4: First is commercial execution to drive expanded market access . We're making data driven investments in sales and marketing , clinical outcome data and healthcare economics data .
Speaker #4: We continue to leverage our compelling clinical outcome data and economic value proposition that is supported by the elevated hospital reimbursement . With the approval procedure .
Speaker #4: Second is surgeon education . We're expanding . Surgeon led education programs , including fellowship programs at academic institutions and peer to peer educational programs to build awareness of the key advantages of three dimensional preoperative planning for personalized spine surgery .
Speaker #4: Our education programs are resonating with surgeons and academic centers and private practice alike , showing the importance of alignment and surgical planning , and long construct fusion and short construct fusion procedures .
Speaker #4: We're seeing growth in surgeon utilization and short contract degenerative disc disease procedures and long construct deformity fusion procedures and academic and private practice .
Speaker #4: Third is patient-centered innovation. Patients are at the center of everything we do, and we're commencing privacy for cervical fusion procedures in the coming months.
Speaker #4: Today we're making great progress with our cervical clinical evaluation with over 50 cervical approval procedures successfully completed on October 1st , the new technology add on payment or Ntap from CMS for a cervical spine fusion went into effect .
Speaker #4: This provides up to $21,125 additional reimbursement per procedure to hospitals that utilize the cervical for inpatient procedures for the outpatient setting , we launch of a anticipate that the Medicare Transitional pass through payment will go into effect in early 2026 , and expect that it will cover the differential of the facilities costs of purchasing a personalized antibody , implants and cervical fusions .
Speaker #4: With that strong reimbursement foundation in place and very positive initial clinical feedback , we're tracking well towards our upcoming cervical launch . As we look ahead , we remain focused on maintaining our momentum and continuing the sustainable , high quality growth we've demonstrated to date .
Speaker #4: We are dedicated to expanding access to a deepening surgeon engagement and executing on all key company strategic initiatives . I want to thank our employees , our surgeon partners and our shareholders for supporting our mission to transform patient care .
Speaker #4: Thank you . With that , I'll hand it over to Leo , who will walk through our financial results .
Speaker #5: Thank you , Mike , and good afternoon , everyone . Revenue for the third quarter of 2025 was 13.1 million . Compared with revenue of 6.6 million in Q3 2020 .
Speaker #5: For our 98% year over year quarterly revenue growth was driven by the continued expansion of our total surgeon users and the pre-built utilization levels via newly added and existing surgeons .
Speaker #5: Our average revenue per procedure was substantially constant between these periods , so our revenue performance remains driven by growth in procedure volume , gross margins were 75.9% for the third quarter of 2025 , and 72.8% in the third quarter of 2020 .
Speaker #5: For this year over year improvement was primarily driven by lower contract manufacturing costs and reduced inventory reserve expense . In the third quarter , we invested in supply chain productivity initiatives achieved approximately 240 basis point margin expansion over the prior quarter .
Speaker #5: These new efficiencies will allow us to linearly eliminate production , expedite fees in future quarters . Total operating expenses were 19 million in the third quarter of 2025 .
Speaker #5: This compared with 12.6 million in the third quarter of 2024 . R&D expense was 4.4 million this quarter , compared with 4 million in Q3 2024 .
Speaker #5: This slight increase was primarily due to higher personnel costs . Support to support product development in AI initiatives , partially offset by decreased prototype materials costs and reduced composite registry costs .
Speaker #5: Following enrollment completion . In the second half of 2024 , sales and marketing expense was 9.6 million this quarter , compared with 6.6 million in Q3 2024 .
Speaker #5: As part of our revenue growth . This increase was primarily driven by increased headcount sales , employee compensation , including stock based compensation , and commissions to our that .
Speaker #5: General and administrative expense was 4.9 million this quarter , compared with 1.9 million in Q3 2024 . The increase was driven by professional services for corporate legal , customary intellectual property expenses and costs for personnel additions .
Speaker #5: With our business growth including compliance and operational requirements as a publicly traded company , our GAAP net loss was 8.5 million this quarter and was 7.8 million net loss in Q3 2024 .
Speaker #5: EBITDA , adjusted for stock based compensation , was a -8.2 million this quarter and was the negative 7.7 million in Q3 2024 . We expect improvements to these measures over the next few years as we gain operating leverage through our Mac on demand and digital first business model .
Speaker #5: For the first nine months of 2025 , our cash used in operating activities was 23.7 million , this compares to 21.3 million of cash used in operating activities for the first nine months of 2020 .
Speaker #5: For moving to our balance sheet , our cash at September 30th , 2025 was 115.5 million and includes the proceeds from our July IPO to provide further balance sheet flexibility .
Speaker #5: On October 29th, we executed an expanded credit facility that provides $50 million of maximum borrowing from its previous $27.5 million and extends the maturity date to October 2030 and the interest-only period to October 2028.
Speaker #5: The floating interest rate remains advantageous at Wall Street Journal Prime , plus a quarter point . While we have no current plans to further draw on this upsized facility , it supports our objectives for capital optionality .
Speaker #5: Our total liabilities at September 30th , 2025 were 28.2 million , of which 15.6 million corresponds to this expanded credit facility . With our highly differentiated digital first and Capital light business model , our balance sheet is an excellent position to aggressively drive revenue growth and operating leverage and provide sufficient cushion for strategic optionality .
Speaker #5: I'd now like to turn to our guidance for the remainder of 2025 with our 35.3 million sales performance in the first nine months of 2025 , we are providing increased full year revenue guidance of 49 million to 50 million , representing an annual growth range of 80% to 84% over the full year 2024 , with that , I'll turn it back to Mike .
Speaker #4: Thank you , Leo , and thanks to everyone for your time today . We had a spectacular quarter by any measure with our overwhelming surge in enthusiasm and realization from key investments and product , technology , medical education , and commercial expansion .
Speaker #4: We are very optimistic about our ongoing durable growth for the years to come . We'll continue to accelerate our patient centric innovation to meaningfully improve patient outcomes .
Speaker #4: With that , I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions . Thank you .
Speaker #2: Thank you . At this time , we will conduct the question and answer session . As a reminder to ask a question , you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced .
Speaker #2: To withdraw your question , please press star one one again . Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster . Our first question comes from Matthew O'Brien at Piper Sandler .
Speaker #4: Oh , afternoon . Thanks so much for taking the questions .
Speaker #6: Mike would love to . As I look at the model here , I'd love to hear your your commentary on certain additions and surgeon utilization , both of which look like they were well above what we were expecting here in Q3 , which is typically a seasonally softer quarter .
Speaker #6: So what are you seeing out in the field in terms of of people coming to you adopting ? And then how quickly they're adopting ?
Speaker #6: Because again , the number of docs you've added is much higher than than we were kind of expecting . So that , you know , I was kind of expecting utilization to be a little bit lower , but that was not the case .
Speaker #6: So just maybe talk about those two things coupled together . And the momentum you're seeing there . And then I do have a follow up .
Speaker #4: Hey Matt , thanks for the question . Good to hear you . Happy to talk about Q3 . It was a it was a spectacular quarter as we talked about and as noted , typically there is a bit of a Q3 procedural slowdown .
Speaker #4: We had , you really strong surgeon enthusiasm in Q3 and really driven by a few key account access that we got in the quarter that drove an above plan new surgeon adds .
Speaker #4: So we feel really good about how we ended the quarter and also really good about the guidance that we're providing going forward .
Speaker #6: Okay . Appreciate that . And then maybe for Leo , speaking of guidance , you know , given all that momentum , you know , as far as , you know , surgical adds plus utilization , you know , the bump up at the midpoint is , you know , it's a nice little sequential increase , but far less than what you did this time last year .
Speaker #6: You just trying to be thoughtful around how you guide here . Early days . Is there something specific to call out there ? And and then sorry to sneak in a third one here .
Speaker #6: That gross margin in the quarter was really , really good . How sustainable is that ? Based on some of the investments and supply chain that you've made ?
Speaker #6: Thanks .
Speaker #4: And to . maybe address your first question .
Speaker #5: We're still in early days . As you know , we're very pleased with our Q3 performance and our surgeon additions . We have full plans of accelerate that growth in the 26 , and we'll provide more color on how we're thinking about 26 in the coming months .
Speaker #5: So we'll so we'll come back to that in just a bit in terms of thinking about , you know , the following year as far as gross margins go , as we've been previously discussing the expedite fees that we previously incurred have been eliminated in Q3 and that was driven by a very purposeful investment in our proprietary digital production system .
Speaker #5: And that investment allowed us to not just eliminate expedite fees in Q3 , but for , you know , ongoing quarters , not to mention further reduce the lead time in our production from its previous ten business days down to single digit , eight business days .
Speaker #5: So that really speaks to our ongoing ability to further leverage our supply chain and further expand our plans for for growth . And new surgeon adoption .
Speaker #6: Just to be clear , though , is it is it sustainable ? The gross margin that we saw in Q3 kind of going forward ?
Speaker #5: Yeah . So 76% , we closed Q3 and we see that very representative of how we are thinking about future Quarter's performance .
Speaker #6: Got it . Thanks so much .
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Richard Neutra at Truist Securities .
Speaker #7: Hi . Thanks for taking the questions . Congrats on the quarter . Maybe just to start off on cervical , I know that you guys are early in the launch .
Speaker #7: There , but what can you tell us about the feel the the kind of the characteristics of accounts that are adopting initially and any updated views on kind of the trajectory there , just based on your experiences ?
Speaker #4: Hey , thanks for the question . Good to hear you . We're really excited about cervical . And as we reported , you know , our early clinical evaluation , we've completed more than 50 procedures .
Speaker #4: You know , these were highly targeted accounts of existing users . The feedback has been really , really positive . And coming up here in December at the CSRS meeting , we'll have a cohort of the early surgeons present their .
Speaker #4: Outcomes in early clinical experience . And that gives us a lot of confidence in in our launch here . Commencing in the coming months .
Speaker #7: Got it . And then on the data that was just presented , I forgot the conference that it was at . Just remind us what what was new there .
Speaker #7: I think I think you had your updated two year revision data reported there . Just remind us what what was new in that and how how has that impacted I don't know , your discussions with physicians or those who were maybe reluctant to adopt , you know , as you kind of gone to them with that data .
Speaker #7: It's been socialized . Thanks .
Speaker #4: Yeah . Yeah , really great question . And so we released the data initially at CNS and had had a really great podium presentation with that data at SRS .
Speaker #4: The prior quarter . And ultimately this is from our long term data outcome data that shows reduction in . Re-operation rate . Now at two year for a private patients versus a patient matched cohort of non patients , where the standard of care was 14.4% Re-operation rate .
Speaker #4: And with the standard of care and 3.5% with the privacy . And so that's really driven , you know , in total 76% reduction over two years .
Speaker #4: You know that becomes really meaningful , not just for the patients , but ultimately for the health care system showing a significant reduction in in the cost of treating .
Speaker #7: Thank you .
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Ryan Zimmerman at Btig .
Speaker #8: Hi , everyone . This is Izzie on for Ryan . Thank you for taking the questions . So just to start out , Leo , I heard your commentary about the investments that led to the reduction in lead times down to eight days , and it's great to see the progress there .
Speaker #8: Just curious what you're thinking . Sustainable level is going forward , and we could or whether or not we could see further reductions in the future .
Speaker #5: And we'll have ongoing opportunities for further margin expansion over time . At scale , at 75 plus percent . We have a very leverageable business model to rapidly grow our business and onboard new surgeons .
Speaker #5: And again , that eight day lead time . Now really provides additional ability to further execute our game plan .
Speaker #8: Got it . That's patients helpful . And as we start to think about the upcoming launch of cervical , I was curious how you guys are thinking about the size of your sales force and whether you feel like it's sufficient to cover any additional need or increase in demand .
Speaker #8: You might see upon the launch next year . Thanks for taking the questions .
Speaker #4: Yeah , as mentioned , we're really excited about cervical . The early clinical feedback has been really strong . You know , one of the advantages of , you know , adding clinical into our technology , adding cervical into our technology platform is that we can leverage our existing sales force .
Speaker #4: And so while we're going through the sales force training of clinical of cervical with the early clinical data , we'll be well positioned for a very strong launch in the coming months .
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from David Roman at Goldman Sachs .
Speaker #9: Hey guys . Thanks for taking the question . This is Jenny on for David . I wondering just about the cervical ramp in 2026 , given you're kind of targeting a similar surgeon base , are you kind of expecting a bolus once you go to full market release as your existing surgeons take up cervical ?
Speaker #9: And then my second question is just you mentioned the outpatient TPT in early 2026 . How big of a driver do you expect this to be in 2026 ?
Speaker #9: And are you targeting a new strategy as you're reaching outpatient as compared to inpatient ? Currently ? Thanks .
Speaker #4: Yeah , so we're not currently providing guidance on on cervical ramp right now . However , you know , the early signs are very positive that we will have a very strong ramp there when it comes to inpatient and outpatient .
Speaker #4: You know , the inpatient enhanced reimbursement , the Ntap went into effect October 1st . The transitional pass through payment for outpatient hospital outpatient is anticipated early next year .
Speaker #4: The the CMS ruling has not come out yet , but we do anticipate CMS to stick to their commitments and and have the final ruling out by year end .
Speaker #2: As a reminder to ask a question , you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your announced .
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Travis Steed.
Speaker #6: Hi , this is Aidan Travis . Question on pipeline visibility . You talked about how you've kind of skirted some of the normal seasonality in the business this quarter .
Speaker #6: How do you , on a qualitative level , feel about your pipeline visibility going through year end and early 26 ?
Speaker #4: Yeah , great question . As you know , it is a scheduled business . So we have we have good visibility
Speaker #4: into our scheduled name to be procedure pipeline as well as to our new surgeons trained pipeline . So that gives us really high confidence in our ability to deliver on the guidance that we delivered today .
Speaker #6: Great . Thank you . And then on surgeon adds , I think you've said previously that it's about a quarter of training to get surgeons up and running .
Speaker #6: And with the new investments you're making in education, do you think there's a possibility that you can shorten that time as you get more experienced in these accounts?
Speaker #6: Thank you .
Speaker #4: Yeah , certainly the demand for the digital surgery platform that we've developed is accelerating significantly . And we're continuing to make the investments in both surgeon training as well as in getting account access as we expand our account access , you know , throughout the country with really a deep US focus .
Speaker #4: And so , you know , we're we're very optimistic about , you know , our ongoing growth that we've projected .
Speaker #2: And I'm showing no further questions at this time . This does conclude the question and answer session . Thank you for your participation in today's conference .