Q3 2025 MercadoLibre Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #4: Hello everyone , and welcome to the Mercado Libre earnings conference call for the quarter ended September 30th , 2025 . Thank you for joining us .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Hello everyone and welcome to the MercadoLibre Earnings Conference Call for the quarter ended September 30, 2025. Thank you for joining us. Hi, I'm Richard Cathcart, MercadoLibre's Investor Relations Officer. Today we will share our quarterly highlights on video, after which we will begin our live Q&A session with our management team. Before we go on to discuss our results for the third quarter of 2025.
Speaker #4: I'm Richard Cathcart MERCADOLIBRE INC Investor Relations Officer . Today , we will share our quarterly highlights on video , after which we will begin our live Q&A session with our management team .
Speaker #4: Before we go on to discuss our results for the third quarter of 2025, I remind you that management may make or refer to, and this presentation may contain forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures.
[Analyst]: I remind you that management may make.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Please refer to this presentation, which may contain forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures. Refer to the disclaimer on screen, which will also be available in our earnings materials on our investor relations website.
Speaker #4: So please refer to the disclaimer on screen , which will also be available in our earnings materials on our Investor Relations website . Please note that this call is being recorded and a replay will be made available on our website as well .
[Analyst]: Please note that this call is being recorded.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Recorded and a replay will be made available on our IR website as well. Our costly product updates video will now be released after earnings instead of alongside our conference call. Watch out for this coming to your inboxes in the weeks after our results disclosure. With that, let's begin with a short.
Speaker #4: Our quarterly product updates video will now be released after earnings instead of alongside our conference call . So watch out for this coming to your inboxes in the weeks after our results .
Speaker #4: Disclosure. With that, let's begin with a short message from our CFO.
[Analyst]: Message from our CFO.
Speaker #5: Hello everyone. This quarter, we continue to invest to capture the immense growth opportunities that are ahead of us in commerce and fintech.
Martin de los Santos: Hello everyone. This quarter we continue to invest to capture the immense growth opportunities that are ahead of us in commerce and fintech. We are exceptionally well positioned to drive financial inclusion and the offline to online retail shift in Latin America. Revenues grew by 39% year on year, marking the 27th consecutive quarter of growth above 30%. Our consistent top line growth comes as a result of the investments we have made across our ecosystem. The recent reduction in the free shipping threshold in Brazil has already delivered strong results. With both GMV and items sold accelerating in the quarter, we also saw strong growth in buyers with improved conversion rates, retention, and frequency of purchase. Sellers are also benefiting from the increase in demand that the lower threshold is generating.
Speaker #5: We are exceptionally well positioned to drive financial offline to online retail shift in Latin America , revenues grew by 39% year on year , marking the 27th consecutive quarter of growth above 30% .
Speaker #5: Our consistent top line growth comes as a result of the investments we have made across our ecosystem . The recent reduction in the free shipping threshold in Brazil has already strong results , with both GMV and items sold accelerating in the quarter .
Speaker #5: We also saw a strong growth in buyers with improved conversion rates , retention and frequency of purchase . Sellers are also benefiting from the increase in demand for lower threshold is generating .
Speaker #5: More sellers are coming to our platform and the number of listings has increased sharply in the 19 to 79 reals price range , higher transaction volumes helped us reduce unit shipping costs in Brazil by 8% , with slow deliveries enabling us to leverage on the unused capacity .
Martin de los Santos: More sellers are coming to our platform and the number of listings has increased sharply in the 19 to 79 reality price range. Higher transaction volumes helped us reduce unit shipping cost in Brazil by 8%, with slow deliveries enabling us to leverage on the unused capacity. Brand preference scores reached new record highs across the region, helped by our marketing investments and free shipping policies. We had a great quarter in Mexico with GMV growth accelerating and unit shipping costs in fulfillment continue to fall. Mercado Pago had a stellar quarter. Monthly active user growth accelerated as our NPS hit record highs in Brazil. This is a result of continued efforts to deliver the best value proposition to our users through UX improvements, our credit card, and revenue related account products. This strong growth in asset management and credit portfolio reflect the potential of Mercado Pago.
Speaker #5: Brand preference scores reached new record highs across the region , helped by our marketing investments and free shipping policies . We had a great quarter in Mexico with GMV growth accelerating and unit shipping costs in fulfillment continue to fall , Mercado Pago had a stellar quarter .
Speaker #5: Monthly active users growth accelerated as Rmps hit record highs in Brazil . This is a result of continued efforts to deliver the best value proposition for users through UX improvements .
Speaker #5: Our credit card and remunerated account products . This strong growth in assets under management and credit portfolio reflects the potential of Mercado Pago , our credit card , which plays a key role in NPS and principality , is growing very rapidly .
Martin de los Santos: Our credit card, which plays a key role in NPS and Principality, is growing very rapidly driven by higher usage and share of wallet. We have grown our loan portfolio without compromising credit quality. All time low, first paying the polls and more credit cards are reaching maturity in Argentina. Growth of GMV, buyers, and TPV remained resilient in Q3, but trends slowed through the quarter due to the challenging macro backdrop. This impacts not only growth but also pressures our EBIT margin. Despite the headwind, Argentina continues to be a very profitable market with strong long term growth perspectives. Operating income of $724 million grew by 30% year on year. This demonstrates our ability to balance growth, investments, and profitability and the power of scale which should continue to play in our favor.
Speaker #5: During higher usage and share of wallet . We have grown our loan portfolio without compromising credit quality . All time low . In the polls and more credit cards are reaching maturity in Argentina , growth of GMV buyers and TPV remain resilient in Q3 , but slowed through the quarter due to the challenging macro backdrop .
Speaker #5: This impacts not only growth but also pressures our avid margin . Despite the headwind , Argentina continues to be a very profitable market with strong long term growth perspectives .
Speaker #5: Operating income of 724 million USD grew by 30% year on year this demonstrates our ability to balance growth , investments and profitability and the power of scale , which should continue to play in our favor .
Speaker #5: Our strategic investments in free shipping , logistics credit card continue to deliver strong top line growth while putting some margin pressure at the same time .
Martin de los Santos: Our strategic investments in free shipping, logistics, 1P, and credit card continue to deliver strong top line growth while putting some margin pressure at the same time. This growth has enabled us to scale key OPEX lines such as product development and G&A expenses. We will continue to invest with discipline focusing on the long term potential and scale of our ecosystem. Thank you for your continued support. We will now move on to Q&A.
Speaker #5: This growth has enabled us to scale key opex lines such as product development and expenses . We will continue to invest with discipline , focusing on the long term potential and scale of our ecosystem .
Speaker #5: Thank you for your continued support . We will now move on to Q&A .
Speaker #6: Thank you . We will now begin the question and answer session . To ask a question , you may press star , then one on your telephone keypad .
Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using the speakerphone, we ask that you please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed or you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. We do ask that you please limit yourself to one question. If you have a second question, you may re-enter the queue. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster, and today's first question comes from Andrew Rubin with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #6: If you have a second question , you may reenter the queue time , we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster . And today's first question comes from Andrew Ruben with Morgan Stanley .
Speaker #6: Please go ahead .
Speaker #7: Hey , thanks very much . So maybe a question on Argentina . You cited some macro challenges on GMV , TPV , higher funding costs .
[Analyst]: Hey, thanks very much. Maybe a question on Argentina. You cited some macro challenges on GMV, TPV, higher funding costs. Curious to understand first how these items evolved over the course of the quarter, and then, on a related note, we know you've been through political cycles, but I'm curious following Sunday's election to hear your latest views on the Argentina economic outlook and how this feeds into your plans for growth investments in the country, fulfillment centers, credit cards or otherwise. Thank you.
Speaker #7: So I'm curious to understand first how these items evolved over the course of the quarter . And then second , on a related note , we know you've been through political cycles , but I'm curious , following Sunday's election to hear your latest views on the Argentina economic outlook and how this feeds into your plans for growth investments in the country , fulfillment centers , credit cards or otherwise .
Speaker #7: Thank you .
Speaker #8: Hey , Andrew , is Martin here ? Thank you for your question . Yeah . As you know , Argentina continues to be a very important market for us , not only because of the size of the opportunity , but because of a leadership position that we have in the country .
Martin de los Santos: Hey Andrew, it's Martin here. Thank you for your question.
Osvaldo Giménez: Yeah.
Martin de los Santos: As you know, Argentina continues to be a very important market for us, not only because of the size of the opportunity, but because of a leadership position that we have in the country. We, as always, remain much more focused on continuing to improve the value proposition. As we always said, more than macro. The important thing about our business is what we do with our users and our platform. We continue to invest in Argentina. We opened the second fulfillment center this quarter. We launched the credit card. We are optimistic about the prospects for Argentina in the long term for our business.
Speaker #8: So we as always , we remain much more focused on continue to improve the value proposition as we always said , more than macro , the important thing about our business is what we do with our users and our platform .
Speaker #8: So we continue to invest in Argentina . We opened the second fulfillment center this quarter . We launched the credit card . So we are optimistic about the prospects for Argentina in the long term for our business .
Speaker #8: In the first half of the year . As you know , we had a very strong we saw very strong growth in both commerce and fintech .
Martin de los Santos: In the first half of the year, as you know, we had a very strong, we saw very strong growth in both commerce and fintech, and in Q3, due to macro and stability related to the midterm elections, we saw some slowdown of growth and some increases on interest rates which affected consumption and increased our funding cost. Having said that, despite macro, we saw solid growth in Argentina. Revenues grew by 39% year on year in US dollars, 97% in local currency. Items also grew by 34%. We have a very tough comp last year and our credit book, even though we took a more cautious stance, grew by 100% year on year. We maintained a very solid healthy portfolio and very solid metrics in terms of NPLAT or bad debt. We are used to managing volatility. I think this quarter is an example of that.
Speaker #8: And in Q3 , due to macro and stability related to the the midterm elections , we saw some slowdown of growth and some increases on interest rates , which affected consumption and increased our funding costs .
Speaker #8: Having said that , despite macro , we saw solid growth in Argentina . Revenues grew by 39% year on year in US dollars , 97% in local currency .
Speaker #8: Items also grew by 34% . You know , we have a very tough comp last last year and our credit book , even though we took a more cautious stance , grew by 100% year on year .
Speaker #8: And we maintain very solid . Healthy portfolio and very solid metrics in terms of Mpls or bad debt . So we are used to managing volatility .
Speaker #8: I think this quarter is an example to that . And then looking ahead , you know , we think that hopefully some of the volatility will go away after the results of the elections .
Martin de los Santos: Looking ahead, we think that hopefully some of the volatility will go away after the results of the elections. I will continue to be very optimistic in Argentina for the long term. It continues to be a very profitable market with a lot of growth potential for us in the future.
Speaker #8: And we continue to be very optimistic in Argentina for the long term. It continues to be a very profitable market with a lot of growth potential for us in the future.
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Irma Sgarz with Goldman Sachs . Please go ahead .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Irma Scars with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Yeah . Thanks for the opportunity . Can you talk a bit about the impressive growth in the active user base that you had ?
[Analyst]: Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Can you talk a bit about the impressive growth in the active user base that you had when you look at the 6 to 7 million new quarterly active users that you added from the second to the third quarter? Can you break down the increase by brand new users versus those that were previously active users, but perhaps not each and every quarter and that just increased this frequency, and what are the demographics of the new users you're attracting? Is there potentially, and I'm asking this because if there's a potential risk of those new users being a little bit more promotion focused so that they might churn if you were to pull back on any measures around couponing or marketing spend.
Speaker #9: When you look at the 6 to 7 million new quarterly active users that you from the second to the third quarter , can you break down the increase by brand new users versus those that were previously active users ?
Speaker #9: But perhaps not each and every quarter , and that just increased this frequency ? And what are the demographics of the new users you're attracting ?
Speaker #9: Is there is there potentially a asking this ? Because if there's a potential risk of those new users being a little bit more promotion focused so that they might churn , if you if you were to pull back on on any measures around couponing or marketing , spend , and perhaps in that context , if you can talk about how we should think about marketing , spend as we progress into next year and whether we can come back to some degree of dilution to the investments that you're making there right now .
[Analyst]: Perhaps in that context, if you can talk about how we should think about marketing spend as we progress into next year and whether we can come back to some degree of dilution to the investments that you're making there right now. Thank you.
Speaker #9: Thank you .
Speaker #10: Hey , Irma . Ariel here . Pleasure to hear you . So we had an amazing quarter in terms of our user base .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Hey, Irma, Ariel here. Pleasure to hear you. We had an amazing quarter in terms of our user base. We grew the total unique buyers in our platform very, very fast this quarter, reaching the 75 million active buyers that you are referring to. Out of those, more or less 4 million were new buyers to the platform. The others were buyers that did buy at some point. In MercadoLibre, we believe both the total number of buyers and the number of new users is very healthy. It's a great testament of everything we are doing in MercadoLibre by improving the value proposition both in Brazil, where we are lowering the free shipping threshold, take rates and so on, which you know, but also in the other countries. We had a great quarter in Mexico, we had a great quarter in Chile, Colombia, Argentina, which Martin was referring to.
Speaker #10: We grew the total unique buyers in our platform . Very , very fast . This quarter , reaching the 75 million active buyers as that you are referring to .
Speaker #10: Out of those more or less 4 million were new buyers to the platform . And then the others were buyers that did buy at some point in in Mercado Libre , we believe both the total number of buyers and the number of new users are is very healthy .
Speaker #10: And it's a great everything we are doing in Mercado Libre by improving the value proposition , both in Brazil , where we are lowering the free shipping threshold , take rates and so on , which which , you know , but also in the other countries , we had a great quarter in , in Mexico , we had a great quarter in Chile , Colombia , Argentina , which Martin was referring to .
Speaker #10: So we are excited with everything that is happening , with the vibrancy that we are generating in our platform . And engagement and frequency that we see from those users that we are bringing into the platform .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: We are excited with everything that is happening with the vibrancy that we are generating in our platform and the engagement and frequency that we see from those users that we are bringing into the platform.
Martin de los Santos: Iroma, it's Martin here. In terms of marketing spending, I think.
Speaker #10: .
Speaker #8: Martin , here , in terms of marketing spending , I think if you look at this particular quarter , was represented about 11% of revenues , which is in line with what we saw last quarter in Q2 .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: If you look at this particular quarter.
Martin de los Santos: Was represented about 11% of revenues, which is in line with what we saw last quarter in Q2. As we mentioned, last quarter we were stepping up a little bit of investment in user acquisition in terms of performance. Plus our affiliate channel, we invested more in our affiliate channel, which grew by 4x year on year. This is a way to attract new segments of the population, in particular younger people, and has been a very effective way of bringing more volume to our platform. I think going forward we will continue with a similar range of investment. As we said in the past, we are acquiring users. We have a very sophisticated methodology to acquire users to make sure that those users that we bring are actually contributing to profitability and are adding to the volume sold on our ecosystem.
Speaker #8: As we mentioned last quarter, we were stepping up a little bit of the user acquisition in terms of performance, plus our affiliate channel.
Speaker #8: We invested more in affiliate channel , which grew by four x year on year . This is a way to attract new segments of the population , in particularly younger people , and has been a very effective way of bringing more volume to our platform .
Speaker #8: So I think going forward , we'll continue with similar range of investment . And as we said in the past , you know , we are acquiring users .
Speaker #8: We have a very sophisticated methodology to acquire users to make sure that those users that we bring are actually contributing to , to , to profitability and adding to , to the volume sold on our , on our ecosystem .
Speaker #8: So we're very confident that the level of investment is the right one to support the growth that we're delivering . A quarter after quarter .
Martin de los Santos: We're very confident that the level of investment is the right one to support the growth that we're delivering quarter after quarter.
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Bob Ford of Bank of America . Please go ahead .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Bob Ford of Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Hey , congratulations on the quarter . And thanks for taking my call . Adriel , can you comment on merchant Herence to your your recent relative value ?
[Analyst]: Hey, congratulations on the quarter and thanks for taking my call. Ariel, can you comment on merchant adherence to your recent relative value notice? In Brazil, the implied changes to the search algorithm and the qualification for promotional support. As competitive dynamics intensify, particularly in Brazil, how should we be thinking about cost structure and ancillary revenue streams? Thank you.
Speaker #11: Notice in Brazil , the implied changes to the search algorithm and the qualification for promotional support . And as competitive dynamics intensify , particularly in Brazil .
Speaker #11: How should we be thinking about cost structure and ancillary revenue streams ? Thank you .
Speaker #10: Hey , Bob . Ariel here . So let me touch on on price monitoring and seller adherence . Let me first start saying that this is short term initiative that you are starting to test for a handful of months as we as our competition is also testing own initiatives for for the same period .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Hey Bob, Ariel here. Let me touch on price monitoring and seller adherence. Let me first start saying that this short-term initiative that we are starting to test for a handful of months, as our competition is also testing their own initiatives for the same period. As we said consistently over time, we want to have the best possible value proposition for buyers and sellers in our platform. We want to present users the best speed, the best prices, the best payment alternatives available for them. We want them to buy more. When they buy more, they will generate more demand for our seller base. We believe it's natural for us to put in our storefront the items that do generate the best experience for the customers and with that to generate higher sales for our consumers.
Speaker #10: So as we said , consistently over time , we want to have the best possible value proposition for buyers and sellers in our platform .
Speaker #10: We want to present users the best speed , the best prices , the best payments alternatives available for them , and we want them to buy more .
Speaker #10: And when they buy more , they will generate more demand for for our seller base . And we believe it's natural for us to put in our storefront the items that do generate the best experience for the customers .
Speaker #10: And with that , to generate higher sales for for our consumers . And that's why we are introducing this system in order to make sure that our buyers always see the most competitive offering and the best experience generating items in the in the Mercado Libre platform .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: That's why we are introducing this system in order to make sure that our buyers always see the most competitive offering and the best experience-generating items in the MercadoLibre platform. Of course, this initiative is coming along alongside our record investment levels, meaning faster logistics, more free shipping, lower shipping charges, discounts, lots of promotions, and lots of coupons that we're going to invest during our Black Friday campaign. We expect adherence to be high because this is the real way to improve the proposal for buyers and for sellers. As you know, our on-site real estate and our ability to invest is limited by nature, and for that reason, we want to make sure we make the best use of those limited and available resources for the merchants who are providing and the items that are providing the best experience for our customers.
Speaker #10: Of course , this initiative is coming along alongside our record investment levels . Meaning faster logistics , more free shipping , lower shipping charges , discounts , lots of promotions , and lots of coupons that that we're going to invest during our our Black Friday campaign .
Speaker #10: So we expect adherence to be to be high because this is the real way to improve the proposal for buyers and for sellers .
Speaker #10: As you know , our on site real estate and our ability to invest is limited by nature . And for that reason is that we want to make sure we make the best use of those limited and available resources for the merchants who are providing and the items that are providing the best experience for for our customers .
Speaker #10: So it's too early to to to discuss results of that one . But but we think this simple system will will generate the right proposal for our buyers and for our sellers as well .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: It's too early to discuss result of that one, but we think this simple system will generate the right proposal for our buyers and for our sellers as well.
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Marcelo Santos with J.P. Morgan . Please go ahead . Hello , Mr. Santos , your line is open .
[Analyst]: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question today comes from Marcelo Santos with JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Hello Mr. Santos, your line is open and it appears we're not receiving any audio there. Let me go to our next caller and that'll be Josh Beck with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: And it appears we're not receiving any audio there . Let me go to our next caller , and that'll be Josh Beck with Raymond James .
Speaker #6: Please go ahead .
Speaker #12: Yes . Thank you for for taking the question I wanted to ask a little bit about the unit cost on the shipping side .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Yes, thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask a little bit.
[Analyst]: About the unit cost on the shipping side, I believe you said it was down 8% year over year.
Speaker #12: I believe you said it was down 8% year over year . I assume a lot of this has to do with better utilization , and particularly some of the slow shipping efforts that you have .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: I assume a lot of this has.
[Analyst]: To do with better utilization, and particularly.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Some of the slow shipping efforts that you have.
Speaker #12: You know, I don't expect a specific answer, but I'm curious how much headroom you think you have on this utilization angle.
[Analyst]: I don't expect a specific.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: I'm curious how much headroom you think you have on this utilization.
[Analyst]: Angle, and then related to that, how.
Speaker #12: And then related to that, how much are you in robotics and automation on more of a mid- to long-term opportunity?
Ariel Szarfsztejn: much are you investing in robotics and automation on more of a mid to long term opportunity?
Speaker #8: Hi George , it's Martin here . Let first clarify that the the number that we disclosed is the the lowering of the cost of shipping in Brazil is 8% Q1 .
Martin de los Santos: Hi Josh, it's Martin here. Let me just first clarify that the number that we disclose is the lowering of the cost of shipping in Brazil is 8% Q on Q. That's a decrease in cost of shipping in local currency sequentially. The reason for that is because, as we mentioned, the extraordinary growth that we're seeing in volume is helping us dilute fixed costs of our logistics operations, has also enabled us to use spare capacity and be more efficient in the way we run our operation, in addition to the things that we do on a day-to-day basis in terms of improving efficiencies. I think that's for the most part the main explanation for the lowering of cost. There is some room to continue optimizing the slow shipping method in the future, but that will take some more time.
Speaker #8: Q so that's a decrease in cost of shipping in local currency sequentially . And the reason for that is because , you know , as we mentioned , that extraordinary growth that we're seeing in volume is helping us dilute fixed costs of our logistics operations .
Speaker #8: It has also enabled us to use a spare capacity and be more efficient in the way we run our operations . In addition to the things that we do .
Speaker #8: You know , you know , on a day to day basis in terms of improving efficiencies . So I think that's for the most part , the main explanation for the for the lowering of There is some room to continue optimizing the slow shipping method in the future , but that will take some more time , I think for the most part , the the decrease in cost is related to scale .
Martin de los Santos: I think for the most part the decreasing cost is related to scale.
Speaker #10: Yeah, just to complement the real here. So, the decline in cost per shipment of 8% quarter over quarter in Brazil is a great result for us.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Yeah, just to complement Ariel here. The decline in cost per shipment, 8% Q over Q in Brazil, is a great result for us. Bear in mind that this is not only impacting slow shipments, but this is a decline of the total cost per shipment in a country in which we are operating and dealing with strong pressure from the extra volume. We believe that unit shipping costs should trend downwards over time, although this might not be a straight line. There will be future gains that we will be able to capture through productivity and process improvements. We need to continue iterating, adjusting our systems, implementing technology. The second part of your question, we are deploying robotics, we are deploying technology in the different warehouses, we are testing and learning with different technologies in different places and we're optimistic.
Speaker #10: Bear in mind that this is not only impacting slow shipments , but this is a decline of the total cost per shipment in a country in which we are operating and dealing with strong pressure from from coming from the extra volume .
Speaker #10: We believe that unit shipping costs should trend downwards over time . Although this might not be a straight line . So there will be future gains that we will be able to capture through productivity and process improvements .
Speaker #10: But but we need to continue iterating , our systems , implementing technology . So to the second part of your question , we are deploying robotics .
Speaker #10: We are deploying technology in the different warehouses . We are testing and learning with different technologies in different places . And we are optimistic .
Speaker #10: We see great results in productivity , both in put away in picking and packing . Every time we deploy some type of technology around the people that work in our warehouses .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: We see great results in productivity both in put away, in picking and packing every time we deploy some type of technology around the people that work in our warehouses.
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Craig Maurer with Ft partners . Please go ahead .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Craig Marr with FT Partners. Please go ahead.
Speaker #13: Yes . Hi . Thanks for taking the question . I wanted to ask on the profitability of the credit card business , specifically the cohorts from last year .
Osvaldo Giménez: Yes, hi. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask on the profitability of the credit card business.
[Analyst]: Specifically the cohorts from last year.
Speaker #13: I believe you said they were had been approaching breakeven , but I wanted to understand if that could become a tailwind going into next year .
Osvaldo Giménez: Believe you said they had been.
[Analyst]: Approaching break-even.
Osvaldo Giménez: I wanted to understand if that could become a tailwind.
[Analyst]: Going into next year. Thanks.
Speaker #13: Thanks .
Speaker #8: Hi , Craig . So what we have been consistently saying is that cohorts that are older than two years old .
Osvaldo Giménez: Hi Craig. What we have been consistently saying is that cohorts that are older than 2 years old are profitable, and that continues to be the case. The profitability of the overall portfolio of credit cards in a given country depends mostly on the mix of cohorts we have. That continues to be the case that for cohorts of 2023 and older than those in Brazil, they are already profitable.
Speaker #14: are profitable, and that continues to be the case. So, the profitability of the overall portfolio of credit cards in a given country depends mostly on the mix of cohorts.
Speaker #14: We have . And but that continues to be the case that for cohorts of 2023 and older than those in Brazil , they are already profitable .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Vinicius Preto with Itau BBA . Please go ahead .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Vinicius Frato with Itaú BBA.
[Analyst]: Please go ahead. Thank you for taking my question. We've been discussing a lot the trade-off between GMV growth and profitability in Brazil. This quarter we saw the first response with GMV accelerating significantly, where contribution margin was one of the lowest levels in the past couple of years. When we think about these margin levels, do you view the margin investment made so far as sufficient to achieve your aspirations in terms of growth and market share, or given the recent developments in terms of competition, would you be willing to go below these levels in terms of margins to accelerate market share gains? Thank you.
Speaker #15: Hey , thank you for taking my question . We've been discussing a lot the trade off between GMV growth and profitability in Brazil .
Speaker #15: And this quarter we saw the first response with GMV accelerating significantly with contribution margin was one of the lowest levels in the past couple of years .
Speaker #15: When we think about these margin levels , do you view the margin investment made so far as sufficient to achieve your aspirations in terms of growth and market share , or given the recent developments in terms of competition , would you be willing to go below these levels in terms of margins to accelerate share gains ?
Speaker #15: Thank you .
Speaker #8: Hi , Vinicius , how are you ? Doing here ? I think first when we talk about margins , let's put this in context of growth .
Martin de los Santos: Hi Vinicius, how are you? It's Martin here. I think first, when we talk about margins, let's put this in context of growth. I mean, we see a huge opportunity of growth not only on commerce, but also on fintech. As we have consistently said, the main priority for us is to make sure that we capture those growth opportunities that we have ahead of us and we will continue to invest behind those opportunities as we have done in the past. Last year you saw when we invested on credit card, it requires some margin compression, resulted in margin compression. Now, as Osvaldo mentioned, the credit card is starting to mature and that turns around. This quarter we invested significantly on the lowering of free shipping.
Speaker #8: I mean , we are we see a huge opportunity of growth not only on commerce but also on fintech . And as we have consistently said , the main priority for us is to make sure that we capture those growth opportunities that we have ahead of us and we will continue to invest behind those opportunities , as we have done in the past .
Speaker #8: Right . Last year , you saw when we invested on credit card , it requires some margin compression resulting in margin compression . But now as Oswaldo mentioned , the credit cards are mature and that turns around .
Speaker #8: This quarter , we invested significantly on the lowering of free shipping . And as you can see , we have strong results related to that with not only GMV , but if you look at items sold in Brazil , it accelerated from 26% last quarter to 30 to 42% this quarter .
Martin de los Santos: As you can see, we have very strong results related to that with not only GMV, but if you look at items sold in Brazil, it accelerated from 26% last quarter to 32% to 42% this quarter. Very strong acceleration of items on volume, new users, more engagement, better conversion rate. We have all-time high NPS levels in Brazil because of this measure. I think it's important to put that in context. We are not managing the business for short-term margin, we are managing for long-term value creation. We think that if we continue to sustain the levels of growth that we are delivering, we are in the right track. As we said in the past, we are not going to hesitate to invest behind that, even if you put some short-term margin pressure.
Speaker #8: So very strong acceleration of items and volume , new users , more engagement . Better conversion rate . We have all time high Mbps levels in Brazil because of this measure .
Speaker #8: So I think it's important to put that in context . We are not managing the business for short term margin . We are managing for long term value creation .
Speaker #8: And we think that if we continue to sustain the levels of growth that we are delivering, we are on the right track.
Speaker #8: And as we said in the past , we are not we aren't going to hesitate to invest behind that , even if it puts some short term margin pressure .
Speaker #8: But in the long term , we continue to be very optimistic about the margin profile of our we continue to scale the business and as some of the investments that we're making continue to mature , such as the case of the credit card at one P investment and many other things that we're doing throughout the ecosystem .
Martin de los Santos: In the long term we continue to be very optimistic about the margin profile of our business, as we continue to scale the business and as some of the investments that we're making continue to mature, such as the case of the credit card, A1B investment and many other things that we're doing throughout the ecosystem.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Trevor Young of Barclays. Please go ahead.
[Analyst]: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question today comes from Trevor Young at Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #16: Great . Thanks . Just on Najmul , should we expect the same seasonal dynamics to play out in the coming quarters such that for Q should be up sequentially before we step down again in one Q and then as we head into next year , should we assume Najmul remains pressured as you ramp up credit card issuance in Argentina and face potentially the same higher funding costs that you flagged this quarter , even as those older cohorts and other countries get more profitable .
[Analyst]: Great, thanks. Just on nimul, should we expect the same seasonal dynamics to play out in the coming quarters such that Q4 should.
Martin de los Santos: Be up sequentially before we step down again in Q1.
[Analyst]: As we head into next year, should we assume NIMUL remains pressured as you ramp up credit card issuance in Argentina and face potentially the same higher funding costs that you flagged this quarter, even as those older cohorts in other countries get more profitable?
Speaker #14: Hi , Trevor . So let me tell you a little bit of what has happened lately with Nima . I would say that the what we have seen is in a change in terms of , of of mix , basically we saw a reduction in the last quarter of Nima .
Osvaldo Giménez: Hi, Trevor. Let me tell you a little bit of what has happened lately with Nimal. I'd say that what we have seen is that it changed in terms of mix. Basically, we saw a reduction in the last quarter of Nimal, mostly coming from when you look at the overall credit market. I will double click on credit cap, but overall credit, what we saw was a reduction of Nimal coming mostly from Argentina and driven by the increase in funding cost we saw last quarter, which was significant because of some instability in the market. I would say that is rather constrained to that in Argentina. Pretty much everything else was working similarly to prior quarters.
Speaker #14: Mostly coming from when you look at the overall credit market . And I will double click on credit card . But overall credit is what we saw was a reduction of nimal coming mostly from Argentina and driven by the increase in funding costs .
Speaker #14: We saw last quarter , which was significant because of some instability in the market and but I would say that is a rather constrained to , to , to to that in Argentina , pretty much everything else was working similarly to prior quarters .
Speaker #14: Now , when it comes to credit cards , what we're seeing is Brazil is getting to a point that we have enough older cohorts that nearly 50% of the volume of of cards we have issued is TPV is already profitable , and so it will depend that it will depend on on the speed at which we continue issuing cards in Brazil .
Osvaldo Giménez: Now, when it comes to credit cards, what we're seeing is Brazil is getting to a point that we have enough older cohorts that nearly 50% of the volume of cards we have issued and TPV is already profitable. It will depend on the speed at which we continue issuing cards in Brazil. That is a country where we should see in the medium term, I would say, the overall credit cards becoming profitable. That is not yet the case in Mexico, where we started significantly later. Still, we are issuing cards at a volume that is very significant compared to the legacy we have. When we look at those cohorts that are two, three years or older, they are a smaller part of the overall portfolio. As we mature in Brazil and eventually in Mexico, we will be accelerating the issuance of cards in Argentina, where we're just starting.
Speaker #14: But that is a country where we should see in the medium term , I would say the overall credit cards becoming becoming profitable .
Speaker #14: That is not yet the case in Mexico , where we started significantly later . And still we are issuing cards at a volume that is very significant compared to the legacy we have .
Speaker #14: And when we look at those cohorts that are 2 or 3 years or older , are smaller . Part of the overall portfolio .
Speaker #14: And yes , as we mature in in Brazil and eventually in Mexico , it will be accelerating the issuance of cards in Argentina , where we're just starting .
Speaker #14: So definitely will be investing there for the next several years .
Osvaldo Giménez: Definitely, we'll be investing there for the next several years.
Speaker #8: That's a compliment in terms of maturity and seasonality. It's typically a little bit of Cincinnati in Q4, which is a little bit better than Q1, which is weaker for collection.
Martin de los Santos: That's a complement in terms of mature seasonality. It's typically a little bit of seasonality in Q4, which is a little bit better than Q1, which is weaker for collection. I would say for the most part, the fluctuations that you've seen over the last several quarters is related to mix as well dimension, not so much for seasonality. Thank you.
Speaker #8: But I would say for the most part , the fluctuations that you've seen over the last several quarters is related to mix . As Osvaldo mentioned , not so much for seasonality .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Deepak Venton with Cancer Fitzgerald . Please go ahead .
Operator: Our next question today comes from Deepak Matavantin with Cantor Fitzgerald.
Martin de los Santos: Please go ahead.
Speaker #17: Thanks for taking the question, guys. This is Jack on for Deepak. Kind of sticking with the Argentina credit card topic.
[Analyst]: Thanks for taking the question, guys. This is Jack on for Deepak. Kind of sticking with the Argentina credit card topic, can you just provide any, like, early engagement metrics on the new credit card launch there? Maybe.
Speaker #17: Can you just provide any early engagement metrics on the new credit card launch ? There ? Maybe . How does it how does the adoption curve compare to Brazil ?
Ariel Szarfsztejn: How does the adoption.
[Analyst]: Curve compare to Brazil? Is there any reason to think that that kind of two years to break.
Speaker #17: Is there any reason to think that that kind of two years to break even , that you guys have called out would be any different in Argentina ?
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Even stat that you guys have called.
[Analyst]: Would it be any different in Argentina?
Speaker #17: And then lastly , kind of what are the penetration rates you're targeting over the next 12 to 18 months ? Thank you .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Lastly, kind of where the.
[Analyst]: Penetration rates you're targeting over the next.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: 12 to 18 months. Thank you.
Speaker #14: So I would say it's still very early to tell . We only launched the credit card in Argentina towards the end of the quarter .
Osvaldo Giménez: I would say it's still very early to tell. We only launched a credit card in Argentina towards the end of the quarter, so there is not yet enough information. It's too early to comment on its performance. As we have said in the letter, we are very confident that this will be a successful product because we have a huge user base in Argentina and they are very engaged with Mercado Pago. On top of that, Argentina is a country where most of the credit cards, nearly all of the credit cards, charge a monthly fee and we don't. We believe that that's a huge plus for our card. It also has good offers in the MercadoLibre ecosystem for those reasons and on our QR code network. For all of these reasons, we are encouraged and we are excited about the opportunity.
Speaker #14: So there is not yet enough information . It's too early to to comment on its performance . We we , as we have said in the letter , we are very confident that this will be a successful product because we have a huge user base in Argentina and they are very engaged with Mercado Pago .
Speaker #14: And on top of that , because Argentina is a country where most of the credit cards , nearly all of the credit cards charge a monthly fee , and we don't .
Speaker #14: So we believe that that's a huge plus card . And also it has good offers in the in the MercadoLibre ecosystem for those reasons .
Speaker #14: And on on our QR code network . So for all of these reasons , we are encouraged and we are excited about the opportunity .
Speaker #14: But I would say it's still very early to to comment on results because it was live only for a couple of weeks during the quarter .
Osvaldo Giménez: I would say it's still very early to comment on results because it was live only for a couple of weeks during the quarter and we cannot give guidance on 12 or 18 months. We are very bullish with the product.
Speaker #14: And we cannot comment on on we cannot give guidance on , on 12 or 18 months . But we are very bullish with the product .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Nihar Agarwal with HSBC . Please go ahead .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Neha Agarwala with HSBC. Please go ahead.
Speaker #18: Hi . Thank you for taking my question . On the fulfillment centers , you mentioned , there's been a big increase in the number of shipments .
[Analyst]: Hi. Thank you for taking my question. On the fulfillment centers you mentioned, there's been a big increase in the number of shipments. Would you require to add more fulfillment centers than what you already had on the roadmap? If you can give us a bit more color on the further investments that we can expect in the coming quarters in Brazil especially. My second question is on the credit side of the business in Mexico, there's a lot of competition coming in. What are the early trends that you're seeing? Which products have been doing very well with the Mexican consumers? What kind of asset quality are you seeing in Mexico specifically? Thank you so much.
Speaker #18: Would you require to add more fulfillment centers than what you already had on the roadmap ? And if you can give us a bit more color on the further investments that we can expect in the coming quarters in Brazil , especially .
Speaker #18: And my second question is on on the credit side of the business in Mexico , there's a lot of competition coming in . What are the early trends that you're seeing , which products have been doing very well with the Mexican consumers , and what kind of asset quality are you seeing in Mexico specifically ?
Speaker #18: Thank you so much .
Speaker #10: Nihar, this is surreal. So before jumping into the answer to your question, let me rewind a bit and make one small comment on an answer that I gave to Irma before.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Niha, this is Ariel. Before jumping into the answer to your question, let me rewind a bit and make one small comment on an answer that I gave to Irma before. The total number of unique buyers in the marketplace this quarter was indeed 75 million, but new buyers was actually 7.8 million people. Sorry, new buyers was 7.8. I did bring up the number of something like 4, which is the number for Brazil, but total Latin America new buyers was 7.8. Sorry if I mixed it for you. Going back to the question on fulfillment, we saw a 28% quarter over quarter increase in volume in Brazil, which naturally puts pressure on our network capacity. Still, we were ready to manage that. Of course, having part of the volume in the slow method does help us manage the volume flowing through the different parts of the value chain.
Speaker #10: So total number of unique buyers in the marketplace this quarter was indeed $75 million . But new buyers was actually 7.8 million people .
Speaker #10: Sorry , new buyers was 7.8 . I did bring up the number of something like four , which is the number for Brazil , but total Latam new buyers was was 7.8 .
Speaker #10: Sorry guys , if I missed it for you guys . So going back to to the question on on fulfillment , indeed , we saw a 28% quarter over quarter increase in volume in Brazil , which naturally puts pressure in our network capacity .
Speaker #10: Still , we were ready to manage that . Of course , having part of the volume in the in the slow method does help us .
Speaker #10: You know , manage the volume flowing through the different parts of the value chain . So to specifically to your question , we did not open any new fulfillment center that was not planned .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Specifically to your question, we did not open any new fulfillment center that was not planned. As you probably know, it's not so easy to open a new warehouse of this type and this size from one quarter to the other. We are not changing the super short term plans. We feel that we have the capacity that we need to deal with the volume that is coming. Of course, we are always reevaluating the mid to long term capacity that we need to deal with the volume that we're bringing. As part of that ongoing evaluation, we will for sure build the required capacity to deal with the volume that we'll create. As we said over and over, fulfillment is strategic. Having speed, fast and reliable network turns out to be strategic for us in order to continue serving our customers, to increase their retention, to increase their NPS.
Speaker #10: And, as you probably know, it's not so easy to open a new warehouse of this type and this size from one quarter to the other.
Speaker #10: So we are not changing the super short term plans . We feel that we have the capacity that we need to deal with the volume that is coming .
Speaker #10: But of course , we are always reevaluating the mid to long term capacity that that we need to deal with the volume that we're bringing .
Speaker #10: And as part of that ongoing evaluation, we will, for sure, build the required capacity to deal with the volume that that will create.
Speaker #10: As we said over and over , fulfillment is strategic . Having speed fast and reliable , you know , network turns to be strategic for us in order to continue serving our customers to increase their retention , to increase their NPS .
Speaker #10: And we'll continue investing behind logistics as as we as we need to serve our our customers . .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: We'll continue investing behind logistics as we need to serve our customers.
Speaker #14: And then when it comes to credits in Mexico , I think that we are very encouraged by what we're seeing about and by the size of the opportunity .
Osvaldo Giménez: When it comes to credits in Mexico, I think that we are very encouraged by what we're seeing about the size of the opportunity. We believe that we have a few advantages. One is the strength of our ecosystem in Mexico, which gives us a huge distribution channel and also lots of insights that lets us issue cards and issue credits with a very small customer acquisition cost. When we look at the market in general, including banks, we are already the second largest financial institution in terms of monthly active users, already number one in terms of monthly downloads. We are seeing how we are gaining a lot of traction in the Mexican market both in consumer credits and in credit cards. As you recall, during the first part of this year we decelerated a little bit the additions of credit cards.
Speaker #14: We I think we believe that we have a few advantages . One is the strength of our ecosystem in Mexico , which gives us a huge distribution channel and also lots of insights that lets us issue cards and issue credits with a very small customer acquisition cost .
Speaker #14: When we look at the market in general , we already including banks . We are already the second largest financial institution in terms of monthly active users , and already number one in terms of monthly downloads .
Speaker #14: So we are seeing how we are gaining a lot of traction in the Mexican market , both in in consumer credits and in cards .
Speaker #14: And if you recall , during the first part of this year , we celebrated a little bit the issuance of credit cards . But we have been celebrating again , and we are encouraged by the results we are seeing .
Osvaldo Giménez: We have been reaccelerating again and we are encouraged by the results we are seeing. I would summarize that we believe we have a flywheel where MercadoLibre facilitates a lot of what we do with regards to credits in Mexico.
Speaker #14: So I would say I would summarize that we believe we have a flywheel where Mercado Libre facilitates a lot of what we do with regards to credits in Mexico .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Jamie Friedman with Susquehanna . Please go ahead .
Martin de los Santos: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question today comes from Jamie Friedman with Susquehanna. Please go ahead.
Speaker #19: Hi . I wanted to ask about Principality . You have these interesting call outs in the shareholder letter on page two . You show that there's an 11 point increase in Brazil and two points in Mexico .
[Analyst]: Hi, I wanted to ask about Principality. You have these interesting call outs. In the shareholder letter on page two, you show that there's an 11 point increase in Brazil and 2 points in Mexico. I'm just wondering, one, how you're defining Principality, and two, are there any services that you currently don't offer that you may contemplate offering financial services in order to further escalate the Principality, or do you have the things that you need? Thank you. I would say that we are.
Speaker #19: I'm just wondering, one, how you're defining "principality," and two, are there any services that you currently don't offer that you may contemplate offering in financial services in order to further escalate the principality?
Speaker #19: Or do you have the things that you need? Thank you.
Speaker #14: So, I would say that we are excited by the growth in Principality, which you mentioned mostly in Brazil, but to some degree also in Mexico.
Osvaldo Giménez: Excited by the growth in Principality, which you mentioned mostly in Brazil, but to some degree also in Mexico. The way we measure or we try to estimate Principality is we define Principality if at least 50% of the income of a given client passes through Mercado Pago. In some cases we're able to assess through surveys and in other cases with open banking data. I would say we have already put in place two of the most important things. Those are our yielding accounts and a strong credit offering. What we don't have yet is the ability to collect your salary in the Mercado Pago account. In the case of Mexico, this is because we are not yet a bank. We are in the process of obtaining a banking license and that is a requirement.
Speaker #14: The way we measure or we try to estimate principality is we define principality if at least 50% of the income of a given client passes through Mercado Pago , and this in some cases , we're able to to assess through , through , through surveys and in other cases with open banking data and , and I would say we have already put in place the two of the most important things .
Speaker #14: And those are are yielding account and strong credit offering . And we what we don't have yet is the ability to collect your salary in the Mercado Pago account .
Speaker #14: In the case of Mexico , this is because we are not yet a bank . We are in the process of obtaining a banking license , and that is requirement .
Speaker #14: And in the case of Brazil , we some people collect the salary in Mercado Pago , mostly through portability . But this still is fairly small .
Osvaldo Giménez: In the case of Brazil, some people collect the salary in Mercado Pago mostly through portability. This still is fairly small and we believe there's a large opportunity there.
Speaker #14: And we believe there's a large opportunity there .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from George Soros with Citi . Please go ahead .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Joe Soros with Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #20: Thank you . Hi , Martin . And yo as Waldo , I wanted to double click on on an earlier question , and I think is is important .
[Analyst]: Thank you. Hi, Martin, Osvaldo. I wanted to double click on an earlier question and I think is important. I mean, you are in the midst of an investment cycle, but at the same time you're also gaining, you're achieving operating leverage, especially on the product and development lines. Just wanted to understand, are you currently satisfied with the investment level that you're making? Are there any areas, additional areas that you think could use additional resources, or should we think about this continuous operating leverage across certain OPEX lines? I just want to understand where you are at, at the current stage of investment. Thanks.
Speaker #20: I mean , you are in the midst of an investment cycle , but at the same time you're also gaining . You're achieving operating leverage , especially on the lines .
Speaker #20: So I just wanted to understand , I mean , are you currently satisfied with product . the with the investment level that you're making ?
Speaker #20: Is there any are there any areas , additional areas that you think could use additional resources and or should we think about this continuous operating leverage across certain OpEx lines ?
Speaker #20: I mean , I just want to understand where you are at at the current stage of investment . Thanks .
Speaker #8: Hey , Joel , it's Martin again . Yeah , I think obviously , as I mentioned before , we are extremely satisfied with the results of the investments that we did .
Martin de los Santos: Hey Joe, it's Martin again. I think obviously as I mentioned before, we are extremely satisfied with the results of the investment that we did. They actually announced it last quarter. Right. Remember last quarter we showed only one month of investment. Now we're seeing the full effect of investment in the full quarter. We are very excited about the results. The impact on the marketplace is really enormous. We talked about volume growing, but also number of sellers, items listed on the range of 19 to 79. Real estate are growing very rapidly as well. The supply side is also benefiting from this. We are extremely happy. On top of that, as we mentioned, we lowered the shipping costs, but this is a longer term process where we're going to optimize this low shipping layer of our logistics network.
Speaker #8: They were actually announced last quarter , right ? Remember last quarter we showed only one month of investment . Now we're seeing the full effect of of investment in the full quarter .
Speaker #8: So we are very excited about the results . The impact on the marketplace is really enormous . We talked about volume growing , but also , you know , a of sellers and items listed on the range of 19 to 79 reais are growing very rapidly as well .
Speaker #8: So the supply side is also benefiting from this .
Speaker #8: we're extremely happy . And on top of that , as we mentioned , we lowered the And shipping cost . But still this is a longer term process where we're going to optimize the slow shipping a layer of our of our logistics network .
Speaker #8: So , so we are optimistic about the investments , the results that we're seeing . And then on top of that , we continue to make investments in other areas of the ecosystem .
Martin de los Santos: We are optimistic about the investments, the results that we're seeing. On top of that, we continue to make investments in other areas of the ecosystem. 1B, as we mentioned, I think on the letter, grew very rapidly this quarter as well. It continues to improve profitability, but it still requires investments. The credit card, as Osvaldo mentioned, still is very profitable. The older cohorts, however, we continue to invest and we are launching it in Argentina. There are some smaller initiatives that we continue to invest. We're opening new fulfillment centers. We increased our capacity by 41% year on year. That requires investments as well. I think a lot of moving parts in that front. On the flip side, we mentioned on the letter we're running a 39% year on year, as I said, 27 consecutive quarters of growth above 30%.
Speaker #8: One P as we mentioned , I think , on the latter rule , very rapidly this quarter as well , it continues to improve profitability , but still requires investment .
Speaker #8: The credit card , has also mentioned is still very profitable . The older cohorts , however , we continue to invest and we are launching it in Argentina .
Speaker #8: There are some smaller initiatives that we continue to invest . We're opening new fulfillment centers . We increase our capacity . To capacity by 41% year on year .
Speaker #8: That require investments as well . So I think a lot of moving parts in that front . On the flip side , we mentioned on the latter , we're growing at 39% year on year .
Speaker #8: As I said , 27 consecutive quarters of growth above 30% . This is something that no other public company can has deliver of this time frame .
Martin de los Santos: This is something that no other public company has delivered over this time frame at the scale that MercadoLibre is doing it. That obviously is helping us dilute fixed cost. We saw this quarter a strong dilution on G&A and product development. When you put all that together, I think we're optimistic about the long term margin trajectory for our company. As I said before, we are very much focused on continuing to deliver growth in both fintech and commerce. We will make the investments that are required to capture those growth opportunities as we have done in the past. We will continue to do so with discipline, but we will continue to invest.
Speaker #8: At the scale that Mercado Libre is doing it . So that obviously is helping us dilute fixed costs . And we saw this quarter strong dilution on on gas and product development .
Speaker #8: So when you put all that together , I think we're optimistic about the long term margin trajectory for our company . But as I said before , we are very much focused on continue to deliver growth in both fintech and commerce .
Speaker #8: And we will make the investments that are required to capture that . Those those opportunities , as we have done in the past , we will continue to do so with with disciplined , but we'll continue to invest .
Speaker #10: Just to reinforce Martin's point . Here . So we have amazing growth , higher frequency from our buyers , record conversion rates , record retention rates for new buyers and record retention rates for existing buyers .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Just to reinforce Martin's point, Ariel here. We have amazing growth, higher frequency from our buyers, record conversion rates, record retention rates for new buyers, and record retention rates for existing buyers. We have more new buyers. We had our record high NPS in Brazil. We have more live listings and more sellers than what we had before. Indeed, to Martin's point, we are very encouraged by the impact that we see we are having. This gives us great optimism about the foundations we're building as we look to be the driving force between shifting physical retail into e-commerce, and at the end of the day, that's our goal. Right? We know that the opportunity ahead of us is huge. We need to continue reducing frictions of buying online and bringing more people into our platform.
Speaker #10: We had more new buyers. We had our record high NPS in Brazil. We have more live listings and more sellers than we had before.
Speaker #10: So in to to Martin's point , we are very encouraged by the impact that we see we are having , and this gives us great optimism about the foundations we are building as we look to be the driving force between shifting physical retail into e-commerce and at the end of the day , that's our goal , right ?
Speaker #10: We want to we know that the opportunity ahead of us is huge . We need to continue reducing frictions of buying online and bringing more people into our platform .
Speaker #10: And while we do that , we need to continue finding efficiencies in order to fund that process . But but definitely , we are excited and encouraged and very positive with the results we had this quarter .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: While we do that, we need to continue finding efficiencies in order to fund that process. We are excited and encouraged and very positive with the results we had this quarter.
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Marvin Fong with Btig . Please go ahead .
[Analyst]: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question today comes from Marvin Fong with BTIG. Please go ahead.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Great.
Speaker #21: Good evening . Thanks for taking my questions . I'd like to start with a few developments in recent months . I think you you announced a B2B initiative as well as a partnership with Casas Bahia , and I just wanted to see if you could help Dimensionalize .
[Analyst]: Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. I'd like to start with a few developments in recent months. I think you announced a B2B initiative as well as a partnership with Casas Bahia. I just wanted to see if you could help dimensionalize the potential impact for that, not necessarily to your business per se. I know you won't speak to that specifically, but just kind of frame the opportunity for us and how we should be thinking about the ability to drive future GMV growth. Secondly, on the credit card, just overall notice that the average loan size has been growing. I know that you have a risk discipline to kind of start with small loans. Even though you're growing, issuing a lot of new cards, it still continues to rise.
Speaker #21: You know , the potential impact of that , you know , not necessarily to your to your business per se . I know you won't speak to that specifically , but just kind of frame the opportunity for us and and how we should be thinking about , you know , the , the ability , to drive future GMV growth .
Speaker #21: And then secondly , on , on , on the credit card , you know , just overall notice that the , the average loan size has been growing and , you know , I know that you have a risk discipline to kind of start with small loans .
Speaker #21: So even though you're growing the issuing a lot of new cards , it's still continues to to rise . So just wanted to understand better , like how are you ?
[Analyst]: I just wanted to understand better, are you loosening up or extending more credit to your borrowers from the outset, or are you still kind of maintaining the same levels of underwriting and credit quality as you have been? I just want to understand what's driving that dynamic. Thank you.
Speaker #21: Are you loosening up or extending more credit to , to your borrowers from the outset , or are you still kind of maintaining the same levels of underwriting and , and , and credit , you know , quality as you have been .
Speaker #21: So just want to understand what's driving that dynamic . Thank you .
Speaker #10: Hey , Marvin . Ariel here . So let me start touching on on on Casas Bahia . So this is exciting opportunity for us .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Hey, Marvin, Ariel here. Let me start touching on Casas Bahia.
[Analyst]: So.
Ariel Szarfsztejn: This is an exciting opportunity for us. While our 1P business continues to perform extremely well, we grew 71% year over year on FXMutual. Our strategy with 1P has always been to fill the gaps in selection or price competitiveness that 3P sellers were unable to fill. As many times I've said in these calls, we are a 3P first company. Casas Bahia is a seller that is able to bring more selection and competitive prices to a category where we are under indexing in market share. Our penetration in the total market for heavy and bulky items, white goods in particular, is definitely below our average market share. We are excited. By the way, Casas Bahia not only brings selection and prices, they also bring some expertise in dealing with the logistics of those complex items to ship. We are excited.
Speaker #10: I mean , while our one pip business continues to perform extremely well , we grew 71% year over year on FX neutral . Our strategy with one P has always been to fill the gaps in selection or price competitiveness that £0.03 sellers were unable to fill .
Speaker #10: And as many times I've said , I think in these calls , we are a trip first company and Casas Bahia is a seller .
Speaker #10: That is , that is able to bring more selection , competitive prices to a to a category where we are under indexing in in market share .
Speaker #10: So our penetration in the total market for heavy items, white goods in particular, is definitely below our average market share.
Speaker #10: So we are excited . We think and by the way , Casas Bahia , not only brings selection and prices , they also bring some expertise in dealing with the logistics of those complex items to , to to ship .
Speaker #10: So so we are excited with we think this is complementary to everything that we are doing both in one P and in £0.03 , and we believe this is another opportunity to continue improving the two sides of our network .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: We think this is complementary to everything that we are doing both in 1P and in 3P. We believe this is another opportunity to continue improving the two sides of our network. I think to B2B, this is a multibillion dollar opportunity for the super long run. For now, we are making the first steps into it. It will be long. We need to learn, we need to adjust. We think it's another way to serve our customer and our seller base.
Speaker #10: I think to to B2B , this is a multi-billion dollar opportunity for the super long run . For now , we are making the first steps into it .
Speaker #10: It will be long . We need to learn . We need to adjust . But again , we think it's another way to serve our customers and our seller base .
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Speaker #14: And Marvin , with regards to , to to the credit card , I would say that we are definitely maintaining the same underwriting discipline that we had in the past .
Osvaldo Giménez: Marvin, with regards to the credit card, I would say that we are definitely maintaining the same underwriting discipline that we had in the past. Whenever we saw that there were worsening of NPLs, we were more cautious as we were towards the end of last year, early this year in the case of Mexico. As we saw that we were able to improve our models and continue to grow with NPLs under control and continue to increase the number of cards we issue, but always maintaining the same repayment target, we were more willing to issue more cards. That has been the case in this process throughout this time.
Speaker #14: Whenever we saw that there were some worsening of NPLs, we were more cautious, as we were towards the end of last year.
Speaker #14: Early this year , in the case of of Mexico , and then , as we saw that we were able to improve our models and continue to to grow with , with Mpls under control and continue to increase the number of cars we issue .
Speaker #14: But always maintaining the same repayment target , we were more willing to to to issue more cards . And that has been the case in this process throughout this this time , not only have we created new credit , new generations of of credit models in each of the markets , roughly twice a year .
Osvaldo Giménez: Not only have we created new credit, new generations of credit models in each of the markets roughly twice a year, but also we have been able to improve the technology we use, which allows us to upsell customers more frequently. Therefore, when we started working with someone and if they pay us back according to plan, we are able to, every month or every couple of months, increase the line if we deem that to be appropriate. I would say we are comfortable, we have been able to accelerate the issuance of cards and we are comfortable that we are doing this, maintaining the underwriting discipline that we had.
Speaker #14: But also we have been able to improve the technology . We use , which allows us to upsell customers more frequently and therefore when we start working with someone and if they pay us back according to plan , we are able to every month or every couple of months , being able to increase the line .
Speaker #14: If we deem that to be appropriate . So I would say we are comfortable with how we have been able to accelerate the issuance of cards , and we are comfortable that we're doing this , maintaining the underwriting discipline that we had .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Kyle Prado with UBS . Please go ahead .
Martin de los Santos: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question today comes from Kyle Prado with UBS.
Martin de los Santos: Please go ahead.
Speaker #22: Hello , everyone . Good evening . I have a question on the payment business , please . Can you talk a little bit about the pace of growth of the acquiring in the ecosystem and more specifically about Brazil , because in the country , in the industry , we are seeing a much slower growth , on TPV .
[Analyst]: Hello everyone, good evening.
Osvaldo Giménez: I have a question on the payment business.
[Analyst]: Please can you talk a little bit about the pace of growth of the acquiring TPV in the ecosystem and more specifically about Brazil, because in the country in the industry we are seeing much slower growth, at least on cards TPV. Looking to your numbers, it implies a significant market share gain which potentially accelerated actually this quarter with growth of.
Speaker #22: And looking to your numbers , it's implied a significant market share gain , which potentially accelerated . Actually this quarter with growth of around 28% year on year .
Martin de los Santos: Around 28% year on year.
Speaker #22: So, just wondering if you can share with us the drivers behind that and how sustainable is it going forward? Thank you.
[Analyst]: am just wondering if you can share with us the drivers behind that and how sustainable is it going forward? Thank you.
Speaker #14: Absolutely . So I think that you're right . What we're seeing is that we are both accelerating and growing faster than the market in Brazil .
Osvaldo Giménez: Absolutely, Kyle. I think that you're right. What we're seeing is that we are both accelerating and growing faster than the market in Brazil. If you recall, a couple of years ago, we decided to pretty much change all of our go-to-market strategy in Brazil with regards to in-store to POS. We were relying a lot on third party. We started building more on our old Salesforce. We started building more our direct to consumers, direct to consumers both via MercadoLibre and via our own Mercado Pago page. Those resulted in an acceleration that started, I would say, over a year ago. We have remained growing faster than the market. For some time now we are comfortable with that. The same thing has been happening in online payments. We also see an acceleration, particularly when it comes to credit card acquiring.
Speaker #14: If you recall , a couple of years ago , we decided to pretty much change all of our go to market strategy in Brazil with regards to , to , to , to , in-store , to , POS .
Speaker #14: We were relying a lot on third parties. We started building more on our own sales. We started building more on our direct-to-consumer efforts.
Speaker #14: Yeah , direct to consumers , both via mercado Libre and via our own Mercado Pao page . And those resulted in an acceleration that started , I would say , over a year ago .
Speaker #14: And we has remained a growing faster than the market for some time now . We are comfortable with that and sort of the same thing has been happening in in online payments .
Speaker #14: We also see an acceleration , particularly when it comes to to credit card acquiring . We were more selective towards the beginning of this year with regards to to acquiring , because in some cases we were working with very , very thin margins and we decided that some customers were not having those price points .
Osvaldo Giménez: We were more selective towards the beginning of this year when it comes to POS acquiring because in some cases we were working with very, very thin margins. We decided that some customers were not having those price points, but we really focused on credit card and we have been able to gain share. One more thing I'd like to point out is that this has been also the case in all of the other top markets. This has been the case in Brazil, in Mexico, in Argentina, and Chile. We're really comfortable with how we have been able to gain share in all of these markets.
Speaker #14: But we really focused on credit card and we have been able to to to gain share . And one more thing I'd like to point out is that this has been also the case in all of the other top markets .
Speaker #14: This has been the case in Brazil , in Mexico , in Argentina and Chile . So we're really comfortable with how we have been able to to , to , to , to gain share in all of these markets .
Speaker #6: Thank you. Our next question comes from Marcelo Santos with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Marcelo Santos with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker #23: Hi . Good evening . Thanks for the opportunity to ask some questions . My question is regarding the other countries where you had very strong metrics across the board .
Osvaldo Giménez: Hi, good evening. Thanks for the opportunity to ask any questions.
[Analyst]: My question is regarding the other countries where you had very strong metrics across the board. GMV, revenues, TPV, margins. Could you just disclose a bit of the initiatives that you are doing in these markets, if it was like MercadoLibre led or market led, and what to expect going forward? Thank you.
Speaker #23: GMV revenues , TPV margins . Could you just disclose a bit of the initiatives that you are doing in these markets ? If this was .
Speaker #23: Like Meli led or market led and what to expect going forward ? Thank you .
Speaker #10: Hey , Marcelo . Ariel here . So yeah , we are extremely satisfied with the performance of the other countries . Let me give you some colors on the consolidated numbers for the commerce side .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Hey Marcelo, Ariel here. Yeah, we are extremely satisfied with the performance of the other countries. Let me give you some colors on the consolidated numbers for the commerce side. GMV growth in Chile accelerated for the third consecutive quarter while Colombia growth picked up more than 10% Q over Q. Both trends driven by successful items. We are increasing market share in both markets. Particularly in Chile, the gain of market share has been stronger. I would say there is no one silver bullet to explain what's happening over there. It's more fulfillment, better logistics, lots and lots of work in selection, strong work in demand generation, promotional activity and so on. NPS is higher Q over Q in Chile as well.
Speaker #10: So GMV growth in Chile accelerated for the third consecutive quarter , while Colombia growth picked up more than ten percentage points . Q over q .
Speaker #10: Both trends are driven by successful items, so we are increasing market share in both markets, particularly in Chile. The gain in market share has been stronger.
Speaker #10: So I would say there is no one single silver bullet to explain what's happening over there . It's more fulfillment , better logistics , lots and lots of work in in selection .
Speaker #10: A strong work in demand generation , promotional activity . And so on . NPS is higher . Q over Q in Chile as well .
Speaker #10: So we are very pleased with the performance we had because it shows that what we are building is a very solid way , a very solid base in which we can continue to grow to bring , you know , again , offline retail into online and to continue consolidating our leadership in each market .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: We are very pleased with the performance we have because it shows that what we are building is a very solid way, a very solid base in which we can continue to grow, to bring again offline retail into online and to continue consolidating our leadership in each market.
Speaker #14: Let me add to that , Ari , if you want , on the on the fintech side , the one country where we had to focus the most , the new country we have focused the most over the last couple of years has been Chile .
Osvaldo Giménez: Let me add to that, Ari, if you want. On the fintech side, the one country where we had focused the most, the new country we have focused the most over the last couple of years, has been Chile. We are seeing the results of that. Our user base, our monthly user base, is growing at 75% year over year. The yielding account is growing a lot too, and we see an acceleration in the number of products our clients are using. We are very excited by the results we are seeing in Chile. Products still to be launched there, but we are very encouraged by the results we already saw.
Speaker #14: And really, we are seeing the results of that. Our user base, our monthly user base, is growing at 75% year over year.
Speaker #14: The yield account is growing a lot too , and we see an acceleration in the number of products our clients are using . So we are very excited about the results we are seeing in Chile .
Speaker #14: There are products still to be launched there, but we are very encouraged by the results we already saw.
Speaker #6: Thank you . Our next question today comes from Pedro Korovina with XO . Please go ahead .
Martin de los Santos: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question today comes from Pedro Caravina with XP. Please go ahead.
Speaker #24: Hi . Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on the results . If I may , I wanted to hear from you how you're thinking about opening recent move into e-commerce .
[Analyst]: Hi. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on the results. If I may, I wanted to hear from you how you are thinking about OpenAI's recent move into e-commerce. They launched its browser and partnered with players such as Shopify and Walmart, and I was wondering how you are seeing potential opportunities or threats here. Could there be something similar in South America?
Speaker #24: The the launch of its browser and partnered with players such as Shopify , Walmart and I was wondering how you are seeing potential opportunities or threats here .
Speaker #24: And could there be something similar in South America ?
Speaker #10: Hey , Pedro , Ariel here . So before jumping into OpenAI , let me say that we are extremely excited about the potential of agentic AI to enhance discovery , service and productivity within our our ecosystem .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Hey Pedro, Ariel here. Before jumping into OpenAI, let me say that we are extremely excited about the potential of AgentIQ AI to enhance discovery, surveys, and productivity within our ecosystem. There are several examples of things that we are doing in that regard. We just launched our own Seller Assistant, which is a conversational tool that gives sellers personalized advice and recommendations on how to manage their activity in our platform. In Fintech, as you probably know, we just launched our first AI assistant that can help our users with a wide range of tasks like making or scheduling money transfers through a conversational platform, asking questions on the user's operation, and so on. This is the first step of many to come for Mercado Pago and for MercadoLibre.
Speaker #10: There are several examples of things that we are doing on on that regards , we just launched our own seller assistant , which is a conversational tool that gives sellers personalized advice and recommendations on on on how to manage their activity in our platform .
Speaker #10: In fintech, as you probably know, we just launched our first AI assistant that can help our users with a wide range of tasks, like making or scheduling money transfers through a conversational platform.
Speaker #10: You know , asking for questions on , on , on the user's operation and so on . But this is the first step of many to come for Mercado Pago and for for for Mercado Libre .
Speaker #10: I think to to the specifics of your question , the key message there is that we need to continue to focus ourselves in building the best agentic experience within our platform , and that will give us optionality on on what to do next and how to move forward .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: I think to the specifics of your question, the key message there is that we need to continue to focus ourselves on building the best agentic experience within our platform, and that will give us optionality on what to do next and how to move forward. I think it's early to make comments on OpenAI and their partnership with Etsy, Shopify, and so on. We need to understand how this will develop in the long run, what role agentic AI will play in the relationship with consumers, and eventually decide if there's something different that we need to do. For sure, we need to put the technology in place in order to have an agentic experience in MercadoLibre and in Mercado Pago in the near term.
Speaker #10: I think it's early to make comments on OpenAI and their partnership with Etsy, Shopify, and so on. We need to understand how this will develop in the long run.
Speaker #10: What role AI will play in the relationship with consumers , and eventually decide if there's something different that we need to do . For sure , we need to put the technology in place in order to have an agentic experience in Mercado Libre and in Mercado Pago .
Speaker #10: In the near term .
Speaker #6: Thank you. Our final question today comes from Geoffrey Elliott with Autonomous. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our final question today comes from Jeffrey Elliott with Autonomous.
Martin de los Santos: Please go ahead.
Speaker #25: Hello. Thanks very much for taking the question. You've talked a lot about what you're doing in Brazilian e-commerce and how you're growing.
[Analyst]: Hello. Thanks very much for taking the question. You've talked a lot about what you're doing in Brazilian E Com and how you're growing. You're picking up share, but can you talk a bit about the competitive environment? Do you think that your competitors are behaving rationally, or do you see any signs of irrational competition in the market?
Speaker #25: You're picking up share, but can you talk a bit about the competitive environment? Do you think that your competitors are behaving rationally, or do you see any signs of irrational competition in the market?
Speaker #12: Hey .
Speaker #10: Geoffrey , how are you so let me start by saying something that I've said before . Here in this call that Brazil has always been an intensely competitive market .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: Hey Jeffrey, how are you? Let me start by saying something that I've said before here in this call, that Brazil has always been an intensely competitive market. I think the reason for that is that it's very attractive. Large population, one of the 10 largest economies in the world. E-commerce penetration is still well below the global standards or benchmarks from the UK, U.S., or China. Over the last 26 years, we've built a business with a formidable value proposition for buyers and for sellers. This has put us in a position of market leadership. Our own market share in e-commerce has tripled since 2014. It has doubled since the pandemic. We are still very, very small when you compare our sales in the country with the total retail sales.
Speaker #10: And I think the reason for that is that it's very attractive , large , large population , one of the ten largest economies in the world , e-commerce penetration still well below the global standards or benchmarks from the UK , US or China .
Speaker #10: So, over the last 26 years, we've built a business with a formidable value proposition for buyers and for sellers. This has put us in a position of market leadership, and our own market share in e-commerce has tripled since 2014.
Speaker #10: It has doubled since the pandemic, but we are still very, very small. When you compare our sales in the country with the total retail sales.
Speaker #10: So the position that we've built with record , Mpls , record one preference , record retention record conversion tells you something about the strength , the strength of everything we've done .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: The position that we've built with record NPS, record brand preference, record retention, and record conversion tells you something about the strengths of everything we've done. We are confident that we can successfully compete against the different players in Brazil in the exact same way that we've been competing with many of them over the last 26 years. I can't speak for other players in the market, but we do not believe that anything we are doing is irrational. Just look at the results we are seeing from the lower free shipping threshold. That is a very rational move that significantly strengthens our competitive position and our ability to bring people into the online world. We're driving satisfaction and we're driving retention.
Speaker #10: And we are confident that we can successfully compete against the different players in Brazil in the exact same way that we've been competing with many of them over the last 26 years.
Speaker #10: I can't speak for other players in the market, but we do not believe that anything we are doing is irrational. Just look at the results we are seeing from the lower free shipping threshold.
Speaker #10: That is a very rational move that significantly strengthens our competitive position , our ability to bring people in the online world where driving satisfaction .
Speaker #10: We're driving retention . So as long as we maintain the strategy that served us in the past , which is to be always focused on the user and not on our competitors , we are confident that we will be able to be the platform of choice of choice .
Ariel Szarfsztejn: As long as we maintain the strategy that served us in the past, which is to be always focused on the user and not on our competitors, we are confident that we will be able to be the platform of choice for buyers and for sellers in the long run.
Speaker #10: Sorry for buyers and for sellers in the long run.
Speaker #6: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn it back over to Martin de Los Santos. Any closing remarks?
Martin de los Santos: Thank you.
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Martin de los Santos for any closing remarks.
Speaker #8: Thank you all for joining the call today and for your questions. As you heard, we're very excited about the results of Q3, in particular with the results of the strategic investments that we're making.
Martin de los Santos: Thank you all for joining the call today and for your questions. As you heard, we're very excited about the results of Q3, in particular with the results of the strategic investment that we're making now. The lowering of the free shipping threshold in Brazil has enabled us to accelerate growth in the marketplace and to continue to gain market share, which, by the way, grew by double over the past five years with the investment that we're making on credit. The credit card specifically, as Osvaldo Giménez mentioned, is maturing and helping us with profitability, in addition to Principality, which is very important for our fintech initiatives. These investments have enabled us to continue to deliver growth. We deliver 39% year on year growth.
Speaker #8: The lowering of the free shipping threshold in Brazil has enabled us to accelerate growth in the marketplace and to continue to gain market share , which , by the way , grew by double over the past five years .
Speaker #8: The investments that we're making in credit and the credit card, specifically, as Oswaldo mentioned, are maturing and helping us with profitability.
Speaker #8: In addition to Principality, which is very important for our fintech initiatives, these investments have enabled us to continue to deliver growth.
Speaker #8: We delivered 39% year on year growth . As I mentioned earlier , that marks the 27th consecutive quarter of above 30% year on year growth , which is something remarkable , really , at the size of MercadoLibre today .
Martin de los Santos: As I mentioned earlier, that marks the 27th consecutive quarter of above 30% year on year growth, which is something remarkable, really, at the size of MercadoLibre today. We are very excited about that. Again, looking forward to getting in touch with you once again in February when we deliver Q4 results. In the meantime, the investor relations team is available for further questions. Once again, thank you very much for your interest and good night.
Speaker #8: So we are very excited about that . And again , looking forward to getting in touch with you once again in February when we deliver Q4 results .
Speaker #8: In the meantime , the Investor relations team is available , available for further questions . Once again , thank you very much for your interest and good night .
Speaker #6: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.