Q3 2025 Teekay Corp Earnings Call

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Operator: Please stand by. We're about to begin. Welcome to the Teekay Group Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Results Conference Call. During the call, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, you will be invited to participate in a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, participants will be asked to press star one to register for a question. For assistance during the call, please press star zero on your touchtone telephone. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to the company. Please go ahead.

Speaker #4: Afterwards , you will be invited to participate in a question and answer session . At that time . If you have a question , participants will be asked to press star one to register for a question .

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Speaker #4: Now for opening remarks and introductions , I would like to turn the call over to the company . Please go ahead .

Speaker #5: Before we begin , I would like to direct all participants to our website at WW , where you find a copy of the TKH group's third quarter 2020 earnings presentation .

David Brown: Before we begin, I would like to direct all participants to our website at www.teekay.com where you'll find a copy of the Teekay Group's third quarter 2025 earnings presentation. Kenneth will review this presentation during today's conference call. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from results projected by those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the third quarter 2025 Teekay Group earnings presentation available on our website. I will now turn the call over to Kenneth Hvid, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers President and CEO, to begin.

Speaker #5: Kenneth will review this presentation during today's conference call . Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward looking statements .

Speaker #5: Actual results may differ materially from results projected by those forward looking statements . Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward looking statements is contained in the third quarter 2025 TK Group earnings presentation available on our website .

Speaker #5: I will now turn the call over to Kenneth Hvid . JC Corporation and TK tankers President and CEO , to begin .

Speaker #6: Thank you. Editor. Hello everyone, and thank you very much for joining us today for the Teekay Group's third quarter 2025 earnings conference call.

Christian Waldegrave: Thank you, Ed. Hello everyone and thank you very much for joining us today for the Teekay Group's third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me on the call today for the Q&A session is Brody Speirs, Teekay Corporation's and Teekay Tankers' CFO, Ryan Hamilton, our Vice President, Finance and Corporate Development, and Christian Waldegrave, our Director of Research. Starting on slide 3 of the presentation, we will cover Teekay Tankers' recent highlights. Teekay Tankers reported the best quarter in the last 12 months with GAAP net income of $92.1 million or $2.66 per share and adjusted net income of $53.3 million or $1.54 per share in the third quarter. Third quarter spot rates remained counter-seasonally strong with rates meaningfully above the historical average for the third quarter.

Speaker #6: Joining me on the call today for the Q&A session is Brody Spears . TK corporations and TK tango , CFO Ryan Hamilton , our VP , finance and Corporate development .

Speaker #6: And Kristen Waldegrave , our director of research . Starting on slide three of the presentation , we will cover TK Tango's recent highlights .

Speaker #6: TK tango reported the best quarter in the last 12 months with GAAP net income of $92.1 million , or $2.66 per share , and adjusted net income of $53.3 million , or $1.54 per share , in the third quarter .

Speaker #6: Third quarter spot rates remained counter seasonally strong , with rates meaningfully above the historical average for third quarter . Further , with spot rates well above our free cash flow , break even levels , the company generated approximately $69 million in free cash flow from operations , and at the end of the quarter had a cash position of $775 million with no debt .

Christian Waldegrave: Further, with spot rates well above our free cash flow breakeven levels, the company generated approximately $69 million in free cash flow from operations and at the end of the quarter had a cash position of $775 million with no debt. Teekay Tankers continues to execute on its fleet renewal strategy, delivering on its previously announced transactions. Since the beginning of the third quarter, we have completed the acquisition of one modern Suezmax and the remaining 50% ownership interest in a VLCC from our joint venture partner. In addition, the company completed the sales of five Suezmax tankers which delivered to their new owners in the third and fourth quarters. The combined gross proceeds of the five vessel sales is $158.5 million and we expect an estimated book gain on sales of approximately $47.5 million recorded in the third and fourth quarters.

Speaker #6: TK tango continues to execute on its fleet strategy . Fleet renewal strategy , delivering on its previously announced transactions since the beginning of the third quarter , we have completed the acquisition of one modern sewers , Max and the remaining 50% ownership interest in Vlcc from our joint venture partner .

Speaker #6: In addition , the company completed the sales of five of four sewers Max tankers , which delivered to their new owners in the third and fourth quarters .

Speaker #6: The combined gross proceeds of the five vessel sales and 100 and is $158.5 million , and we expect an estimated book gain on sales of approximately 47.5 million .

Speaker #6: Dollars . Recorded in the third and fourth quarters . In addition , the strength in the spot market supported the time charter market and the company opportunistically charted one suezmax vessel for 42,500 dollars per day , and two aframax sized vessels for an average time charter rate of $33,275 per day .

Christian Waldegrave: In addition, the strength in the spot market supported the time charter market and the company opportunistically out-chartered one Suezmax vessel for $42,500 per day and two Aframax sized vessels for an average time charter rate of $33,275 per day for periods ranging from 12 to 18 months. Two of these charters have already commenced with the remaining charter set to start in November. Looking at our fourth quarter to date, we have secured spot rates of $63,745, $45,500, and $35,200 per day for our VLCC, Suezmax, and Aframax/LR2 fleets respectively. With approximately 47% to 54% of spot days booked, we believe the tanker market is well positioned for a firm winter market, which we'll discuss in more detail in the next few slides. Lastly, Teekay Tankers has declared its regular fixed dividend of $0.25 per share.

Speaker #6: For periods ranging from 12 to 18 months . Two of these charters have already commenced , with the remaining charter set to start in November .

Speaker #6: Looking at our fourth quarter to date , we have secured spot rates of 63.745 thousand $500 and $35,200 per day for our Vlcc sewers , Max and Aframax Lr2 fleets , respectively , with approximately 47 to 54% of spot days booked .

Speaker #6: We believe the tanker market is well positioned for firm winter market , which we'll discuss in more detail in the next few slides .

Speaker #6: Lastly , TC tankers has declared its regular fixed dividend of $0.25 per share . Moving to slide four , we look at recent developments in the spot tanker market .

Christian Waldegrave: Moving to slide 4, we look at recent developments in the spot tanker market. Spot tanker rates improved during the third quarter of 2025, with rates on a par with a strong level seen over the past three years and well above long-term average levels. An increase in global oil supply due to the unwinding of OPEC supply cuts and rising production in the Atlantic Basin led to a sharp increase in global seaborne crude trade volumes during September to the highest level since early 2020. Rates were further boosted by an increase in long-haul crude oil movements between the Atlantic and Pacific basins, particularly in the Suezmax and VLCC segments, as shown by the chart on the right of the slide. Spot tanker rates have strengthened further at the start of the fourth quarter, with rates in October near the top of the five-year range.

Speaker #6: Spot tanker rates improved during the third quarter of 2025 , with rates on a par with a strong level seen over the past three years and well above long term average levels .

Speaker #6: An increase in global oil supply due to the unwinding of Opec+ supply cuts and rising production in the Atlantic basin , led to a sharp increase in global seaborne crude trade volumes during September to the highest level since early 2020 .

Speaker #6: Rates were further boosted by an increase in long haul crude oil movements between the Atlantic and Pacific basins , particularly in the Suez , Max and Vlcc segments , as shown by the chart on the right of the slide spot .

Speaker #6: Tanker rates have strengthened further at the start of the fourth quarter , with rates in October near the top of the five year range .

Christian Waldegrave: Turning to slide five, we look at the growth in global crude oil production and exports, which is underpinning the recent strength in spot tanker rates. Global oil production has been rising throughout the year due to increases from both OPEC and non-OPEC sources. The OPEC group began unwinding some of the voluntary supply cuts which had been in place since 2023 at the start of April. By September, it had completed the unwind of the first round of cuts totaling 2.2 million barrels per day. The group is now in the process of unwinding the next round of cuts totaling 1.65 million barrels per day at a rate of 137,000 barrels per day every month over the next year.

Speaker #6: Turning to slide five . We look at the growth in global crude oil production and exports , which is underpinning the recent strength in spot tanker rates .

Speaker #6: Global oil production has been rising throughout the year due to increases from both Opec+ and Opec+ sources . The Opec+ group began unwinding some of the voluntary supply cuts , which had been in place since 2023 .

Speaker #6: At the start of April, by September, we had completed the unwind of the first round of cuts, totaling 2.2 million barrels per day.

Speaker #6: The group is now in the process of unwinding the next round of cuts , totaling 1.65 million barrels per day , at a rate of 137,000 barrels per day every month .

Speaker #6: Over the next year . Oil production has also been boosted by new supply coming online from non OPEC plus countries , particularly in South America , where new offshore production in Brazil and Guyana is in the process of ramping up .

Christian Waldegrave: Oil production has also been boosted by new supply coming online from non-OPEC countries, particularly in South America, where new offshore production in Brazil and Guyana is in the process of ramping up. The increase has been particularly evident during the third quarter, with supply growing by 1.6 million barrels per day compared to Q2 levels. The net result of the higher oil production has been a sharp increase in seaborne crude oil trade volumes, most notably since September as more Middle East crude has been made available for export following the end of the summer direct crude burn season.

Speaker #6: The increase has been particularly evident during the third quarter , with supply growing by 1.6 million barrels per day compared to Q2 levels .

Speaker #6: The net result of the higher oil production has been a sharp increase in seaborne crude oil trade volumes . Most notably since September , as more Middle East crude has been made available for export .

Speaker #6: Following the end of the summer . Direct crude burn season . In fact , if we exclude the period in early 2020 when Saudi Arabia and Russia flooded the market with oil during the brief oil price war , global seaborne crude oil trade volumes are currently at a record high , with Opec+ expected to continue to unwind supply cuts in the coming months .

Christian Waldegrave: In fact, if we exclude the period in early 2020 when Saudi Arabia and Russia flooded the market with oil during the brief oil price war, global seaborne crude oil trade volumes are currently at a record high, with OPEC expected to continue to unwind supply cuts in the coming months. We expect global seaborne trade volumes to increase further during the fourth quarter. Turning to Slide 6, we look at some of the near term oil market fundamentals which we believe will support spot tanker demand in the coming months. One of the consequences of higher oil production this year has been a decrease in crude oil prices, as shown by the chart on the left of the slide. For countries outside the United States, a weaker U.S. Dollar has led to an even steeper drop in real oil prices.

Speaker #6: We expect global seaborne trade volumes to increase further during the fourth quarter . Turning to slide six . We look at some of the near term oil market fundamentals , which we believe will support spot tanker demand in the coming months .

Speaker #6: consequences of higher oil production this year has been a decrease in crude oil prices . As shown by the chart on the left of the slide .

Speaker #6: For countries outside the United States , a weaker US dollar has led to an even steeper drop in oil prices . Lower oil prices are generally positive for tankers , as it spurs oil consumption and lowers bunker fuel prices , which is our largest operating cost .

Christian Waldegrave: Lower oil prices are generally positive for tankers as it spurs oil consumption and lowers bunker fuel prices, which is our largest operating cost. Low oil prices also stimulate demand for stockpiling both for commercial and strategic purposes. Given that global oil inventories are below long term average levels, we believe that there is enough spare capacity to absorb a prolonged period of excess oil supply. Should global oil supply growth continue to exceed demand in the coming months, as many analysts predict, we could even see a contango oil price structure emerge which could further stimulate tanker demand. Turning to Slide 7, we look at the geopolitical events which are creating trade inefficiencies and adding further volatility to what is already a firm underlying tanker market.

Speaker #6: Low oil prices also stimulate demand for stockpiling , both for commercial and strategic purposes One of the . Given that global oil inventories are below long term average levels , we believe that there is enough spare capacity to absorb a prolonged period of excess oil supply .

Speaker #6: Should global oil supply growth continue to exceed demand in the coming months, as many analysts predict, then we could even see a contango oil price structure emerge, which could further stimulate tanker demand.

Speaker #6: Turning to slide seven . We look at the geopolitical events , which are creating trade inefficiencies and adding further volatility to what is already a firm underlying tanker market .

Speaker #6: In recent weeks , we've seen a number of announcements with regards to sanctions and port fees , which are serving to create uncertainty and inefficiency in the tanker market .

Christian Waldegrave: In recent weeks we've seen a number of announcements with regards to sanctions and port fees which are serving to create uncertainty and inefficiency in the tanker market. It's positive that the U.S.-China Trade Agreement announced earlier today includes a postponement of the announced port and shipping fees by at least a year. As it relates to sanctions, we've seen an escalation of efforts to curb Russia's profits from oil sales via a series of new sanctions by both the EU and the United States, most notably the recent actions to sanction Rosneft and Lukoil, who together control around 50% of Russian oil production and exports. While this is a fast evolving situation, it is reported that some refiners in India and China are backing off from Russian imports and looking to alternative suppliers in the Middle East and Atlantic Basin.

Speaker #6: It's positive that the US-China trade agreement announced earlier today includes a postponement of the announced port and shipping fees by at least a year as it relates to sanctions , we've seen an escalation of efforts to curb Russia's profits from oil sales via a series of new sanctions by both the EU and the United States .

Speaker #6: Most notably the recent actions to sanction Rosneft and Lukoil , who together control around 50% of Russian oil production and exports . While this is a fast evolving situation , it is reported that some refiners in India and China are backing off from Russian imports and looking to alternative suppliers in the Middle East and Atlantic Basin .

Speaker #6: This is positive for tanker market , as these volumes will need to be transported via the fleet of compliant tankers rather than the fleet of shadow tankers , which currently transport the majority of Russian crude oil to India and China .

Christian Waldegrave: This is positive for the tanker market as these volumes will need to be transported via the fleet of compliant tankers rather than the fleet of shadow tankers which currently transport the majority of Russian crude oil to India and China. We believe that these factors, coupled with the strong crude oil trade volumes described earlier as well as normal winter seasonal factors, will help drive a firm spot tanker market in the coming months. Turning to slide 8, we review the key drivers for the medium term outlook. Global oil demand is projected to increase by 1.1 million barrels per day in 2026 as per the average forecast from the three major oil agencies, which is in line with average growth level since the end of the COVID pandemic. Global oil supply is also set to rise with more production due to common line from non-OPEC countries.

Speaker #6: We believe that these factors , coupled with the strong crude oil trade volumes described earlier , as well as winter seasonal factors , will help drive a firm spot tanker market in the coming months .

Speaker #6: Turning to slide eight . We've reviewed the key drivers for the medium term outlook , global oil demand is projected to increase by 1.1 million barrels per day in 2026 , as per the average forecast from the three major oil agencies , which is in line with average growth levels since the end of the Covid pandemic .

Speaker #6: Global oil supply is also set to rise , with more production due to common line from non-OPEC countries . It remains to be seen how OPEC will respond .

Christian Waldegrave: It remains to be seen how OPEC will respond should oil inventories continue to fill and oil prices come under further pressure. However, we believe that there is still plenty of room for inventories to build in 2026, particularly in China where the government is reportedly looking to add 169 million barrels of new strategic storage by the end of the year. The fleet supply side continues to look balanced, with the order book size stable in recent months at around 16% of the existing fleet. A continued lack of tanker scrapping means that the fleet continues to age, with the average age of the global tanker fleet now at its highest point since the 1990s. In the mid-sized tanker fleet, 344 vessels, or 20% of the total fleet, is now aged 20 years or older, most of which are sanctioned vessels engaged in shadow trades.

Speaker #6: Stewart Oil inventories continue to fill an oil . Prices come under further pressure , however , we believe that there is still plenty of room for inventories to build in 2026 , particularly in China , where the government is reportedly looking to add 169 million barrels of new strategic storage by the end of the year .

Speaker #6: The fleet supply side continues to look balanced with the order book size , stable . In recent months , at around 16% of the existing fleet , a continued lack of tanker scrapping means that the fleet continues to age , with the average age of the tanker fleet now at its highest point since the 1990s .

Speaker #6: In the mid-size tanker fleet , 344 vessels , or 20% of the total fleet , is now aged 20 years or older , most of which are sanctioned vessels engaged in shadow trades .

Speaker #6: We believe that these older tankers will not return to conventional trading, even in the event that sanctions are lifted. While the medium-term tanker market outlook appears well balanced, there are a number of geopolitical uncertainties that could influence the direction of the tanker market, depending on how they unfold.

Christian Waldegrave: We believe that these older tankers will not return to conventional trading even in the event that sanctions are lifted. While the medium term tanker market outlook appears well balanced, there are a number of geopolitical uncertainties which could influence the direction of the tanker market depending on how they unfold. These include the outcome of the war in Ukraine and the fate of the shadow fleet serving Russian trade, developments in the Middle East and disruptions to Red Sea transits, the impact of tariffs and trade barriers on the global economy and OPEC production policy. Turning to slide 9, we highlight Teekay Tankers' value proposition. First, our operating leverage remains significant and the company is well positioned to generate substantial cash flows in nearly any tanker market.

Speaker #6: These include the outcome of the war in Ukraine and the fate of the shadow fleet serving Russian trade . Developments in the Middle East and disruptions to Red sea transits .

Speaker #6: The impact of tariffs and trade barriers on the global economy and OPEC , production policy . Turning to slide nine . We highlight Teekay tankers value proposition .

Speaker #6: First , our operating leverage remains significant . And the company is well positioned to generate substantial cash flows in nearly any tanker market .

Speaker #6: With the three new out charters and no debt . We have lowered our fleets free cash flow breakeven from $13,000 per day to $11,300 per day .

Christian Waldegrave: With the three new out charters and no debt, we have lowered our fleet's free cash flow breakeven from $13,000 per day to $11,300 per day. With this low free cash flow breakeven, every $5,000 per day increase in spot rates above the threshold produces $1.66 per share of annual free cash flow or nearly 3% on a free cash flow yield basis. Second, Teekay Tankers has a strong balance sheet with no debt and a $775 million cash position, which provides capacity for disciplined, accretive fleet growth. Third, we continue to return capital to shareholders in a disciplined manner through our quarterly dividend. Lastly, the company's performance is underpinned by our integrated operating platform. We believe our in-house commercial and technical management is a competitive advantage.

Speaker #6: With this low free cash flow break even every $5,000 per day increase in spot rates above the threshold produces $1.66 per share of annual free cash flow , or nearly 3% on a free cash flow yield basis .

Speaker #6: Second , TC tankers has a strong balance sheet with no debt and a $775 million cash position , which provides capacity for disciplined , accretive fleet growth .

Speaker #6: Third, we continue to return capital to shareholders in a disciplined manner through our quarterly dividend. And lastly, the company performance is underpinned by our integrated platform.

Speaker #6: We believe our in-house commercial and technical management is a competitive advantage combined with our 50 years of operating experience in the tanker industry , we provide superior service to our customers and transparency through the value chain , which drives shareholder returns .

Christian Waldegrave: Combined with our 50 years of operating experience in the tanker industry, we provide superior service to our customers and transparency through the value chain, which drives shareholder returns. In summary, the company's strategy over the last several years has been to maximize shareholder value through our exposure to the strong spot market. This year we began taking measured action to renew our fleet by making incremental investments in more modern vessels, while at the same time selling some of our oldest tonnage. As we look ahead, our best-in-class operating platform and strong financial footing position the company well to continue renewing our fleet, earning cash flow, and building intrinsic value. With that, operator, we are now available to take questions.

Speaker #6: In summary , the company's strategy over the last several years has been to maximize shareholder value through our exposure to the strong spot market .

Speaker #6: This year , we began taking measured action to renew our fleet by making incremental investments in more modern vessels , which at the same time , while at the same time selling some of our oldest tonnage .

Speaker #6: As we look ahead , our best in class operating platform and strong financial footing positions , the company well to continue renewing our fleet , earning cash flow and building intrinsic value .

Speaker #6: With that operator , we are now available to take questions .

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Speaker #4: We will go first to Omar Nokta with Jefferies .

Speaker #7: Thank you . Hi , Kenneth . Thank you for the update . Just wanted to ask , maybe I had a couple of questions .

Omar Nokta: Thank you. Hi Kenneth, thank you for the update. I just wanted to ask, maybe I had a couple questions. Maybe first just on the market and kind of where things sit right now. Clearly things have gotten much stronger. When we think, I think a lot of times when we sort of talk about or think about rising OPEC production, we think a lot about, say, VLCC and certainly those rates have shot towards past $100,000 a day. We're also seeing some real strength in the Suezmax and Aframax segments, which are, you know, your bread and butter. Can you just talk a little bit about how these segments maybe interact with each other or maybe move together and what's really been driving some of the strength we've seen in the mid-sized segments here recently?

Speaker #7: Maybe first , just on the market and kind of where things sit right now . Clearly things have have gotten much stronger . And when we think I think a lot of times when we sort of talk about or think about rising OPEC production , we think a lot about , say , Vlccs and certainly those rates have shot towards past 100,000 a day , but we're also seeing some real strength in the Suez , Max and Aframax segments , which are , you know , your bread and butter .

Speaker #7: Can you just talk a little bit about how these segments may be interact with each other , or maybe move together and what's really been driving some of the strength we've seen in the midsize segments here recently .

Speaker #6: Yeah . Thanks . Thanks , Omar . You are absolutely right . I mean , I think when we look at this year , I think the the second half of the year has , has definitely been one going from from strength to strength .

Christian Waldegrave: Yeah, thanks.

Kenneth Hvid: Thanks Omar. You are absolutely right. I mean, I think when we look at this year, the second half of the year has definitely been one going from strength to strength, and I would argue maybe even stronger than most of us expected. What we've seen just over the last week really is that strength just continues to pick up. The week is finishing stronger both in the VLCC, the Suezmax, and the Aframax segments as well as the LR2s. Right. It's really moving up in all of the categories. If you look back over the last, since April 2022, what we had was a period where the Aframaxes absolutely outperformed all sectors, as you know. I think what we've kind of reverted to is more of the traditional dynamics where the largest ships lead the way, they pull up the Suezmaxes, and that pulls up the Aframaxes.

Speaker #6: And , and I would argue maybe even stronger than , than most of us expected . What we've seen just over the last week really , is that that strength just continues to , to pick up .

Speaker #6: So the week is finishing stronger , both in the vlcc , the Suez Max and the Aframax segments , as well as the Lr2 .

Speaker #6: Right . So it's really moving up in , in all of the all of the categories and if you if you look back over the last .

Speaker #6: Well , since April 22nd , what we had was that we had a period where the Aframax is absolutely outperformed all all sectors .

Speaker #6: As you know . And I think what what we've kind of reverted to is more of the traditional dynamics where the largest lead the way they pull up the Suez Maxes and that pull up the Aframaxes and underlying that , of course , is that we have a very strong product trade as well .

Kenneth Hvid: Underlying that, of course, is that we have a very strong product trade as well that's happening. Everything is really working in all of the different segments where maybe it's more a matter of that in the last three years the Aframax were really the outliers because we really outperformed everything. Now we're kind of back to what you would say are the normal dynamics in a strong tanker market where everything is balanced. I think what we're seeing now is that we have, as we say, a record number of barrels that are being transported on the water. Of course, most of these barrels in a traditional sense always go on the most efficient vessels, which are VLCC. When there's this much oil and this tighter supply, then it just pulls up the whole market. That's, I think, in all simplicity, what we're seeing here.

Speaker #6: That's that's happening . So , so everything is really working in all of the different segments where maybe it's more a matter of that .

Speaker #6: In the last three years , the Max's were really the outliers because we really outperformed everything . But now we're kind of back to what you would say would be the normal dynamics in a strong tanker market where everything is balanced .

Speaker #6: And I think what we're seeing now is that we have, as we say, a record number of barrels that are being transported on the water.

Speaker #6: Of course , most of these barrels in a traditional sense , always goes on , on , on the most efficient vessels , which are vlccs .

Speaker #6: But when there's this much oil and this tighter supply , then it just pulls up the whole market . And that's , I think , in all simplicity , what we're seeing here .

Speaker #7: Yeah , yeah . Thank you for , for for that helpful color . And I guess maybe just kind of thinking about , you know , where TC stands , you know , clearly you guys have been in a very strong financial position for , for the past several quarters , perhaps several years .

Omar Nokta: Yeah, thank you for that helpful color. I guess maybe just kind of thinking about, you know, where Teekay stands. You know, clearly you guys have been in a very strong financial position for the past several quarters, perhaps several years. Cash is building and, you know, you've reiterated several times, be patient, be patient, which makes a whole lot of sense given all the unknowns. As we kind of think about where you're headed, I think it was last quarter or maybe the quarter before you had talked, you know, when it came time to maybe reinvest or add more exposure, you were kind of looking to scale more perhaps into the MR segment into product. Is that still the case?

Speaker #7: Cash is building . And , you know , you've reiterated several times the patient be patient , which makes a whole lot of sense given all the unknowns , as we kind of think about where you're headed .

Speaker #7: I think it was last quarter or maybe the quarter before you had talked , you know , when it came time to maybe reinvest or add more exposure , you were kind of looking to scale more , perhaps into the Mr. segment or into products .

Speaker #7: Is that still the case ? If you kind of think about where you stand , if you wanted to deploy more capital or more net capital , would you want to go into products more deeply , or do you feel you'd want to either scale up into the vlccs , or perhaps , maybe just stay within your , you know , your back to using the term bread and butter , but the Suez Max out for max segment .

Omar Nokta: If you kind of think about where you stand, if you wanted to deploy more capital or more net capital, would you want to go into products more deeply or do you feel you'd want to either scale up into the VLCCs or perhaps maybe just stay within your, you know, you're back to using the term bread and butter, but the Suezmax segment.

Speaker #6: Yeah , that's a that's a great question . I mean , just to be very clear , our core business is is absolutely the medium sized tankers and the we we constantly look for where where there's , where we can find incremental value , both in our core but also the adjacent sectors .

Kenneth Hvid: Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, just to be very clear, our core business is absolutely the medium sized tankers. We constantly look for where we can find incremental value both in our core but also the adjacent sectors. I think when we had this call almost a year ago, we talked about the MR, which looked interesting at the time relative to some of the other sectors. I think as we're sitting here today, we're one year further down the road here and looking at how we've renewed the fleet or have taken action on some of our older tankers and started to renew our core fleet. Our focus is, our number one priority right now is investing in our core franchise.

Speaker #6: I think when we had this call almost a year ago , we we talked about the , the Mr. sector , which which looked interesting at the time relative to some of the other sectors .

Speaker #6: I think as we're sitting here today , we're one year further down the road here and looking at at how we've renewed the fleet or have taken action on some of our older tankers and started to renew our core fleet .

Speaker #6: Our focus is our number one priority right now is , is investing in our core franchise . I wouldn't say that there never would be an opportunity in in EMR , but relatively speaking , now we actually think that the better value for us is to allocate capital towards our core segments , which are aframaxes and max .

Kenneth Hvid: I wouldn't say that there never would be an opportunity in MR, but relatively speaking, now we actually think that the better value for us is to allocate capital towards our core segments, which are Aframax and Suezmax.

Speaker #7: Okay . That's very clear . I appreciate that . Thank you . I'll pass it back .

Omar Nokta: Okay, that's very clear. I appreciate that. Thank you. I'll pass it back.

Speaker #8: Thanks . Thanks .

Kenneth Hvid: Thanks.

Speaker #4: We'll go next to Ken Hoexter with Bank of America .

Operator: We'll go next to Ken Hoexter with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Speaker #9: Hi , this is Tim Chang on for Ken Hoexter . Thanks for taking my question to kind of extend on Omar's question , you've sold 11 vessels year to date , and while sales kind of outpaced purchases thus far , you mentioned last quarter how you're focusing on accelerating pace of fleet renewal going forward .

Tim Chang: Hi, this is Tim Chang on for Ken Hoexter. Thanks for taking my question to kind of extend on Omar's question. You've sold 11 vessels year to date. While sales kind of outpaced purchases thus far, you mentioned last quarter how you're focusing on an accelerating pace of fleet renewal going forward. Do you feel you're close to the minimum fleet size now, and do you perhaps aim for purchases of new core Aframax and Suezmax to offset any following sales?

Speaker #9: So do you feel you're close to the minimum fleet size now , and do you perhaps aim for purchases of new core Afra's and Suez to offset any following sales ?

Speaker #6: I think the short answer is yes .

Kenneth Hvid: I think the short answer is yes.

Speaker #9: Got it. I saw your new time charter agreement with three vessels locking in very favorable rates. Do you expect to engage in more of those, given elevated rates in the near term in 2026?

Tim Chang: Got it. I saw your new time charter out agreement with three vessels locking in very favorable rates. Do you expect to engage in more of those given elevated rates near term in 2026?

Speaker #6: Yeah , that's a good question . I mean , we we look at every deal opportunistically . There's always a timing and we consider what is the outlook .

Christian Waldegrave: Yeah, that's a good question.

Kenneth Hvid: I mean, we look at every deal opportunistically. There's always a timing, and we consider what is the outlook. It's very dynamic. We think it's prudent when you see strong time charter rates to log it in, especially if it's with good customers. It's an ongoing dialogue. It's not a state of strategy that we need to have X% of our fleet. We're happy to have spot exposure, but these levels we know in historical terms are very strong levels. We can log it in. As we pointed out in our prepared remarks, every time we do that, we lower our free cash flow breakeven even further. As you can see, it's a very, very strong position that we're in in terms of generating cash flows in the spot market.

Speaker #6: And it's very dynamic . We we think it's prudent when you see strong time charter rates to to lock it in , especially if it's with good customers .

Speaker #6: So so it's an ongoing dialogue . It's not a data strategy that we need to have an X percentage of our fleet . We're happy to to have spot exposure .

Speaker #6: But these levels we know in historical terms are very strong levels . So we can lock it in and and as we pointed out in our prepared remarks , every time we do that , we we lower our , our free cash flow , break even even even further .

Speaker #6: So as you can see , it's , it's it's a very , very strong position that we're , we're in in terms of generating cash flows in the spot market .

Speaker #6: But at the same time , even if we did another couple of of these at these levels , then of course our free break even would go down even further .

Kenneth Hvid: At the same time, even if we did another couple of these at these levels, of course our free cash flow breakeven would go down even further. We look at it as a portfolio and on a deal-by-deal basis.

Speaker #6: So it's , it's it's we look at it as a portfolio and , and on a deal by deal basis .

Speaker #9: Thanks . Appreciate all the insight .

Tim Chang: Thanks. Appreciate all the insight.

Kenneth Hvid: Thanks for the questions.

Speaker #6: Thanks for the questions .

Speaker #4: We'll go next to Fred Mike Dahl with Clarkson Securities.

Operator: We'll go next to Frode Mørkedal with Clarkson Securities.

Speaker #10: Thank you . Hi guys . My first question is on this new well China US deal . I guess the Aframax is under the previous USTR regulation was not exempt .

Frode Mørkedal: Thank you. Hi guys. My first question is on this new China U.S. deal. I guess the Aframax is under the previous USTR regulation and was not exempt.

Speaker #10: Right . So now with the USTR port fees being suspended for a year , does that improve the Aframax opportunities for you guys ?

Omar Nokta: Right.

Frode Mørkedal: Now with the U.S.-China port fees being suspended for a year, does that improve the aforementioned opportunities for you guys? Maybe they'll, you know, of course the export out of the U.S. Gulf, but also maybe lightering opportunities. Nicole, you have that on that, please.

Speaker #10: Maybe they'll you know , of course , the export out of the US Gulf , but also maybe Lightering opportunities . And if all you have that on that , please .

Speaker #6: Yeah , obviously the deal is , is , is very , very , very new . I think I think the , the position we took first when the US came in and , and , and recently also the , the , the China port fees is that with the way that our fleet is , is composed we we don't have massive exposure to to either either sector and , and therefore I think the the outcome of of this agreement , I think overall is is positive for for the industry .

Kenneth Hvid: Yeah. Obviously the deal is very, very, very new. I think the position we took first when the USTR came in and recently also the China port fees is that with the way that our fleet is composed, we don't have massive exposure to either sector. Therefore, I think the outcome of this agreement overall is positive for the industry, but I don't think it has any significant impact on Teekay per se in the same way as the port fees didn't have a significant impact on us either. Overall, I think it's a positive as it was clearly driving some inefficiencies, which I don't think serves the industry well over the long term. Let's see, I mean so far it's only one year. We know that's been agreed.

Speaker #6: But I don't think it has any significant impact on , on , on teekay per se . In the same way as the port fees didn't have as significant impact on us either .

Speaker #6: So overall , I think it's a it's a positive as as it was clearly driving some inefficiencies which which I don't think serves the industry well over the long term .

Speaker #6: But but let's see , I mean , so far it's only it's only one year . We know that that's been agreed .

Speaker #10: Yeah . Sure makes sense . Next question I guess more generally speaking , you've clearly proven , I guess , that you're you have high total shareholder returns , right ?

Frode Mørkedal: Yeah, sure, makes sense. Next question. I guess more generally speaking, you've clearly proven, I guess, that you have high total shareholder returns, right, TSR, which doesn't really require a high payout model. You know, how confident are you that the stock market would appreciate that approach today? You know, given that there's still a slight discount, what might close the remaining valuation gap in your view?

Speaker #10: TSR which doesn't really require a high payout model . So you know how confident are you that the stock market would , you know , appreciate that approach today .

Speaker #10: And , you know , given that there's still a slight discount anyway , what might close the remaining valuation gap , in your view ?

Speaker #6: Yeah , I think over the past seven years we have been very , very clear on that . We first focus on on value before we focus on valuation and valuation follows .

Kenneth Hvid: Yeah, I think over the past seven years we have been very, very clear on that. We first focus on value before we focus on valuation, and valuation follows. I think to your point, that is what we're happy to see that's actually being recognized by the market. When we look at it through a five year lens, you're absolutely right. I think that model is right. A company should always focus on value creation, and that's what we're focused on here. I think in any business in shipping, it is about that we continue to have a strong balance sheet, that we can act at times when we see good buying opportunities, that we can act when we see good selling opportunities, and that we have a strong operating platform with low cash flow breakeven.

Speaker #6: And I think to your point , I think that is what what we are , we're happy to see that's actually being recognized by by the market .

Speaker #6: So when we look at it through a five year lens , you're absolutely right . I think that that model is right . A company should always focus on value creation .

Speaker #6: And that's what that's what we're focused on on here . I think it's in any business in shipping . It is about that .

Speaker #6: We continue to have a strong balance sheet that we can act at times when we see good buying opportunities that we can act when we see good selling opportunities , and that we have a strong operating platform with low cash flow break even and and that's the fortunate position that we , after many years of hard work , have put T.K.

Kenneth Hvid: That's the fortunate position that we, after many years of hard work, have put back in, and operating with that model delivers value every day. We think we're in a very strong position to continue to build intrinsic value, and we fundamentally believe that will always be recognized by the markets ultimately.

Speaker #6: back in and are operating with that model , delivers value every , every day . And and we think we're in a very strong position to continue to , to build intrinsic value .

Speaker #6: And we fundamentally believe that that that will always be recognized by the markets ultimately .

Speaker #8: Yeah .

Frode Mørkedal: Yeah, I agree. Thank you very much.

Speaker #10: I agree , thank you very much .

Speaker #6: Thank you for the questions .

Kenneth Hvid: Thank you for the questions.

Speaker #4: Thank you . With no additional questions , I'll now turn the conference back to the company for any additional or closing remarks .

Operator: Thank you. With no additional questions holding, I'll now turn the conference back to the company for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker #6: Thank you for listening in to our our call today . We look forward to reporting back to you next year . Okay . Thank .

Kenneth Hvid: Thank you for listening into our call today. We look forward to reporting back to you next year.

Speaker #4: Thank you , ladies and gentlemen . That will conclude today's call . We thank you for your participation . You may disconnect at this time .

Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That will conclude today's call. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at this time.

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