Q1 2026 Twin Disc Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Hello and welcome to the Twin Disc Inc incorporated . Fiscal First Quarter 2026 conference call . We will begin with introductory remarks from Jeffrey Knutson Twin Disc Inc , CFO .
Speaker #4: Good morning , and thank you for joining us today to discuss our fiscal 2026 first quarter results . On the call with me today is John Batten Twin Disc Inc , CEO .
Speaker #4: I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made during this conference call , especially statements expressing hopes , beliefs , expectations or predictions for the future are forward looking statements .
Speaker #4: It is important to remember that the company's actual results could differ materially from those projected in such forward looking statements . Information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements are contained in the company's annual Report on Form 10-K .
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Speaker #4: As of today , and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise these statements to reflect subsequent events or new information .
Speaker #4: During today's call , management will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures . For a definition of non-GAAP financial measures in a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results , please see the earnings release issued earlier today .
Speaker #4: Now , I'll turn the call over to John .
Speaker #5: Good morning , everyone , and welcome to our fiscal 2026 first quarter conference call . We begin the year with strong momentum , delivering another quarter of profitable growth and meaningful progress on our strategic priorities .
Speaker #5: Sales and margins improved year over year . Supported by steady execution across our global operations with healthy demand across all three core product groups contributing to our robust backlog .
Speaker #5: Our performance this quarter underscores the strength of our diversified portfolio and the operational discipline that continues to define our success as we move through fiscal 2026 .
Speaker #5: We are encouraged by the resilience of our end markets and by the growing contribution from areas such as defense and hybrid propulsion . These growth factors position us well to sustain outperformance and deliver strong profitability amid an evolving macroeconomic environment .
Speaker #5: That said , we remain mindful of potential tariff developments and expect a 1 to 3% tariff impact on second quarter cost of sales versus roughly 1% previously .
Speaker #5: This increase is temporary and will not affect the remainder of the year , and as such , we expect tariff impact to return to roughly 1% of cost of sales in the second half of the fiscal year .
Speaker #5: Now , let me take you through the quarter's highlights . Sales grew 9.7% year over year to 80 million , marking another quarter of steady top line growth led by our marine and propulsion business , along with the integration of Catsa and cobalt , which continues to advance ahead of plan .
Speaker #5: And together are broadening our capabilities and expanding global reach while driving meaningful synergies . On an organic basis , net sales increased 1.1% , which excludes the impacts of acquisitions and foreign currency exchange .
Speaker #5: We continued to streamline operations in the quarter . Efforts that effectively help us deliver 220 basis points of gross margin expansion year over year as gross margins increased to 28.7% for the quarter .
Speaker #5: EBITDA margins remain strong despite the impacts of non-operating and non-cash items such as defined benefit pension amortization , stock based compensation and currency translation loss .
Speaker #5: In addition to costs from recent acquisitions . We also delivered a robust six month backlog of 163.3 million , driven by sustained demand across our end markets .
Speaker #5: Illustrating a strong start to fiscal 2026 . Defense momentum remains exceptionally strong . Orders continue to accelerate during the quarter , and defense related projects continue to represent a growing share of total backlog , increasing by 4 million sequentially and up 45% year over year , comprising 15% of total backlog in the US and Europe .
Speaker #5: We are actively supporting multiyear government initiatives to modernize both marine and land based platforms . While a recent acquisition of Catsa continues to generate strong demand in Europe .
Speaker #5: Our work includes contracts tied to NATO vehicle programs and US Navy patrol vessels , where we're serving as a trusted propulsion and systems partner with the defense related pipeline that continues to expand .
Speaker #5: We see significant runway ahead , supported by elevated government budgets and increased focus on marine and hybrid applications . Now , let me walk you through product group performance .
Speaker #5: Our marine and propulsion business continues to perform exceptionally well , and sales increased 14.6% year over year to 48.2 million , driven by Workboat activity .
Speaker #5: Government programs and demand for vets elite thrusters . Record new bookings combined with a growing demand for hybrid and autonomous vessel solutions , continue to underscore the strength of our products and market position .
Speaker #5: In September alone , we booked 20 million in new unit orders , surpassing previous records . Orders supporting the unmanned US Navy platforms class continued to build , and we are excited about our entry into the new class of autonomous patrol vessels , extending our presence on higher value platforms .
Speaker #5: In addition , we are seeing traction with the US Vestir thruster market with backlogs increasing across Workboat and cruise applications . Lastly , aftermarket remains resilient with steady utilization of military and commercial fleets were flat when compared to a year ago .
Speaker #5: Within land based transmission , sales were stable , up 1.6% year over year to 17.6 million . Oil and gas shipments were nearly flat as China continued to decline .
Speaker #5: North American customers also remain cautious , with a focus on rebuilds and refurbishments . However , we are seeing an emerging tailwind as the rebuild cycle matures and replacement demand begins to materialize off demand remains strong and we continue to advance next generation Ifrach solutions , securing an initial order during the quarter , representing 14 units totaling 2.3 million .
Speaker #5: Overall , we continue to remain well positioned to capture emerging opportunities as activity improves our industrial business grew . 13.2% year over year , with growth supported by acquisitions and broad based customer activity .
Speaker #5: Steady demand for higher content solutions is reinforcing our mix and helping sustain momentum as we extend engineering and parts capability across the portfolio.
Speaker #5: Our backlog of 163.3 million , up 13% year over year and 9% sequentially , provides solid visibility for the balance of fiscal 2026 .
Speaker #5: Inventory is up slightly because of our strong demand and prebys . As we look at the remainder of the year , we remain focused on further optimizing inventory levels with delivery schedules as we convert our backlog and maintain flexibility across our manufacturing footprint to support demand while protecting margins .
Speaker #5: As we look to the balance of the year and beyond , I want to reaffirm our strategy centered on global footprint optimization , operational excellence , and disciplined capital allocation .
Speaker #5: Our near priority remains reducing debt and strengthening our balance sheet while continuing to invest in targeted organic initiatives that enhance productivity and margin expansion .
Speaker #5: We have made great progress streamlining our business into more agile and globally integrated operating model , one that breaks down silos , drives collaboration across our end business units and going to market as one consolidated company , which leverages our scale and shows the power of our consolidated platform .
Speaker #5: This starts with the business units and their leadership , which is now reporting through Tim Batten , our executive vice President . These efforts are improving execution speed , driving margin improvement and laying the foundation for sustainable growth .
Speaker #5: With these ongoing efficiency and integration initiatives , Twin Disc Inc is well positioned to deliver strong results through the remainder of the year and to achieve our long term targets .
Speaker #5: Driving sustained profitability and lasting value for our shareholders . With that , I'll now turn the call over to Jeff to discuss our financial results in greater detail .
Speaker #4: Thanks , John . Good morning everyone . During the quarter , we delivered $80 million in sales , up 9.7% from $73 million in the prior year period , which was primarily driven by strength in the marine and industrial product groups and supported by the addition of cobalt .
Speaker #4: On an organic basis , adjusted for M&A and FX revenue , increased approximately 1.1% in the first quarter . First quarter . Gross profit rose 18.7% to $22.9 million , and gross margin increased 220 basis points to 28.7% , reflecting the benefit of incremental volume and successful margin improvement initiatives .
Speaker #4: In addition to improved mix in the marine Propulsion Product groups , specifically within Vet products . M&A expenses were 20.7 million in the first quarter , compared to 19.5 million last year .
Speaker #4: The increase reflects the addition of cobalt as well as ongoing wage and professional services inflation . We continue to focus on cost , discipline and operational efficiencies to support long term margin expansion .
Speaker #4: Net loss attributable to twin disc for the quarter was 518,000 , or $0.04 per diluted share , compared to a loss 2.8 million , or $0.20 last year .
Speaker #4: Net loss attributable to twin disc for the quarter was 518,000 , or $0.04 per diluted share , compared to a loss of The year over year improvement reflects higher operating income and lower expenses , driven by reduced currency losses , partially offset by higher pension related amortization .
Speaker #4: EBITDA was 4.7 million for the first quarter , representing a 172% increase versus the prior year . As expanded sales and profitability together drove strong results from a geographic standpoint , sales growth was driven primarily by North America , where continued demand for Vet products and contributions from our recent acquisitions supported a higher share of quarterly revenue .
Speaker #4: The overall mix shifted toward North America , while Asia Pacific and the Middle East accounted for a smaller portion of total sales , reflecting the impact of order and shipment timing of our customers .
Speaker #4: Net debt increased slightly in the first quarter , primarily reflecting seasonal usage of our revolver . We ended the quarter with a cash balance of 14.2 million , down 14.8% from the prior year .
Speaker #4: As expected , cash flows during Q1 are seasonally lower due to net working capital dynamics and slightly elevated inventory levels . As John described .
Speaker #4: Heading into the year to satisfy robust demand , we continue to maintain a conservative net leverage ratio of 1.3 times our strong financial position provides flexibility to navigate the current macroeconomic environment with discipline while continuing to evaluate targeted bolt on acquisitions that align with our innovation strategy and broaden our product portfolio .
Speaker #4: As noted earlier , gross margin expanded by roughly 220 basis points year over year to 28.7% in the first quarter , reflecting the ongoing benefits of our cost reduction initiatives .
Speaker #4: Improved operational execution , and higher sales volumes continue to build on this momentum by sharpening our cost discipline and pursuing margin growth opportunities across our portfolio , enhancing profitability remains central to our strategic priorities .
Speaker #4: Our capital allocation strategy remains focused on balancing growth investments with disciplined financial management . We maintain a focus on prudent capital deployment , pursuing targeted M&A that strengthens our marine and industrial technology platforms alongside organic investments in R&D , geographic expansion , and hybrid and electrification innovation supported by a healthy balance sheet and clear strategic priorities were positioned to deliver sustainable growth and long term value creation .
Speaker #4: I'll now turn the call back to John for his closing remarks .
Speaker #5: Thanks , Jeff . In closing , I'm encouraged by the strong start to fiscal 2026 and the consistent execution across our global organization .
Speaker #5: Our teams continue to demonstrate focus , adaptability and discipline in navigating complex market conditions while delivering measurable progress on our strategic priorities . With the robust backlog , a solid balance sheet and a clear roadmap toward our long term objectives , Twin Disc Inc well positioned to drive profitable growth and strengthen its leadership across core and emerging markets .
Speaker #5: I remain confident in our ability to sustain this momentum and deliver lasting value for our customers , employees and shareholders . These conclude our prepared remarks , and we're now prepared to take questions .
Speaker #3: Thank you . If you'd like to ask a question , please press star . And the number one on your telephone keypad . And if you'd like to enjoy a question or your question has been answered , please press star one .
Speaker #3: Again , thank you . We'll prosper . Just a moment to compile the roster . We will take our first question from David MacGregor from Longbow Research .
Speaker #3: Please go ahead . Yes , yes .
Speaker #6: Good morning . Congratulations on the results . Strong quarter .
Speaker #5: Thank you ,
Speaker #7: David , start of the year .
Speaker #6: Yeah . Let's start off with military . Just because you really called that out . And I appreciate the the detail behind , you know , the strength and kind of how that is evolving .
Speaker #6: Can you just help us with the timing of shipment acceleration here as well as the expected margin impact ?
Speaker #8: Yeah . So it's John David , I'll start with just the expected shipment . I would say we've in Finland for the NATO vehicles .
Speaker #8: It's it's really very much early in the beginning , I would expect that business for us . You know , let's just say that we're in the , you know , 150 unit range right now , that in a year from now , that'll be double and then we'll continue to grow from there .
Speaker #8: And then in the , in the US with primarily the one that's driving it are the autonomous vessels . And I think whatever volume we have this year again will be double in 27 .
Speaker #8: So you know, it's... and continuing from there. So I don't want to say it's... these are the two main programs that are going to be doubling every year.
Speaker #8: But that's kind of the pace that we're on . Is that , you know , we can expect hi I would say you know , on average at least for the next couple of years , 50% growth in each program .
Speaker #6: Do you have sort of the capacity to support that kind of a ramp right now , or would that require a pickup in incremental CapEx spending ?
Speaker #8: It would let's just say it would reevaluate our CapEx , spend . Excuse me , CapEx spending . We certainly have the capability here in the US to meet the demand for the US Navy , shuffling some stuff around , and we're working on the plan .
Speaker #8: We certainly I would say we have we're in and in Europe , we're probably good with everything the way it is for the next 18 to 24 months .
Speaker #8: But yeah , we're looking at what we do in the facilities at Europe so that we can capture that demand and maybe do some of that volume in one of our other facilities in Europe , and not just all in Finland .
Speaker #8: But the answer is yes . And the CapEx is it's more focusing on test stands and assembly fixtures . So thankfully it's not necessarily machining capability .
Speaker #8: Longer lead time pieces of equipment . It's more on assembly and test fixtures .
Speaker #6: Okay . All right . Cool . That's all very encouraging . Let me turn to the oil and gas business . I know you're less dependent on oil gas now than you've been in the past , but just talk about what you may be seeing in the way of changes in business conditions in order , activity and and given what you've been working on in the way of costs and productivity and pricing , do you need a volume recovery in 26 in order to see year over year upside and profitability ?
Speaker #8: So the answer is no , but it would make it a lot nicer . It's a very it's a very good part of the business .
Speaker #8: But you know , thankfully David , it goes back to , you know , the last I would say major downturn for us in oil and gas kind of coming off the 2018 , 2019 .
Speaker #8: Hi . Going into Covid , that it was a conscious decision to accelerate our move away . Not not diversify away from oil and gas .
Speaker #8: It's still a very good business . I think China , the the tariffs just happened . I think to coincide with again , China tends to at times overbuild and they have to absorb the volume that they have .
Speaker #8: And you know , and I think there was a slowdown . They didn't need as much equipment . And most of the equipment comes from the US .
Speaker #8: So it was also a double a double reason for them to slow down on purchases . We see that demand , you know , I can see the ray of light there where that demand is going to start to come back .
Speaker #8: And then the rebuild activity in the US has been , you know , still pretty good . It was down in 25 . So I don't think it's going to be hard to surpass that in 26 .
Speaker #8: And as we mentioned , we've got the frac orders coming online . I don't think you know those . Those are the first couple spreads .
Speaker #8: I think that will take us through this year . But I imagine at sometime during this fiscal year , we'll get follow on orders for 27 .
Speaker #8: And I'm cautiously optimistic on some natural gas opportunity . But the macro , the macro levels and again , I would say most of our units that go out in the US and North America are heavily weighted towards gas , whether it's wet gas or dry gas .
Speaker #8: And the demand for gas , I mean , everything you read about data centers and what's going to power them , natural gas plants are one of the most likely options .
Speaker #8: I still think we're years away from nuclear being deployed . And , you know , I just don't think renewables can keep up with the concentrated demand of what you need near the near the Ani data center .
Speaker #8: So AI data center . So I'm pretty optimistic on the macro level . And I think we're well positioned to capture growing demand .
Speaker #6: Interesting . Thank you for that . I wanted to ask you about land based transmissions because , you know , the double digit growth in marine and propulsion and industrial , but relatively flat in industrial in the land based transmissions .
Speaker #6: Can you just talk about the puts and takes within that business that led to the relatively flat top line ?
Speaker #8: Yeah , I would say it's again , it's steady . I would say it's it's it's it's fairly steady . You know , in our the demand we're full our customers are , you know , kind of at their capacity .
Speaker #8: That's been full year over year . And really the puts and takes have been , you know , small small projects with different outside of our some are falling in like railway maintenance things .
Speaker #8: We're , we're folding in some of the products at Casa fall into the transmission business and , and oil and gas has been , you know , I would say some of the we've traded some unit volume in China for unit volume in North America .
Speaker #8: So Jeff , I don't know if you have any more .
Speaker #4: Yeah . No , I think that's right . David . You know oil and gas in general was was down a couple percent from last year's Q1 .
Speaker #4: And then there's this timing of our shipments , you know , it's a steady , you know , demand that we have for several months .
Speaker #4: And even years in front of us . But there's some , you know , shift between quarters depending on , on the customer's schedule , etc.
Speaker #4: . So , yeah , pretty pretty pretty steady demand , I would say .
Speaker #6: Okay , good . I wanted to ask you about gross margins . You know , we normally see kind of seasonal pressures with European shutdowns and can you bridge the first quarter gross margins of 28.7% ?
Speaker #6: You were up , you know , 220 basis points . I think maybe separate seasonal versus kind of the incremental volume versus the margin improvement initiatives that that you referenced , Jeff .
Speaker #6: And and also , I'm guessing investments were a factor . And , and maybe the mix of businesses as well , I guess because you talked about the strength and call out so just help me kind of proportion wise , how I should think about those various factors .
Speaker #4: Yeah . So I think the good news for us , and we've talked about this on previous calls , that the vet business wasn't delivering the kind of margin that that we were expecting .
Speaker #4: And there were some , some definite drags on their margin coming out of vet . Yeah .
Speaker #8: The thruster .
Speaker #4: Thruster business . Right . So coming out of Covid , they were carrying a backlog that had pretty low margins in it , very competitive project bidding during Covid where there wasn't a lot of activity .
Speaker #4: And we worked through that over the course of the few years . Coming out of Covid and really focus them on driving . Up profitability , operational discipline , etc.
Speaker #4: pricing . And so they delivered a their best margin quarter since we've since we've acquired them . So it was really two things .
Speaker #4: It was the incremental volume at kind of our normal incremental drop through . So we look at around 40% . Drop through on incremental volume on a global basis .
Speaker #4: And then incremental to that driving the the probably about another 1.2 million of of favorable margin was vet delivering better margin results than they had in prior years .
Speaker #8: Yeah . David , I'll just add a little bit of color on that too . It's one of the things coming out of Covid and the Russia-Ukraine war was , you know , our supplier of permanent magnet motors for all drives .
Speaker #8: Those the our supplier had almost all of their supply base for raw material in Ukraine or Russia . And what , what they couldn't get from Russia was destroyed in Ukraine .
Speaker #8: So we had some pretty heavy surcharges and cost increases as they were just scrambling to get us motors that unfortunately we had contract pricing and couldn't pass that on .
Speaker #8: The vet team has worked tirelessly for almost two years to develop different suppliers , and so we're starting to see those suppliers come on online and go back to the pricing .
Speaker #8: When we were quoting these projects . So they've done they've done a great job on on lean principles and finding new suppliers . So yeah , if there was one , one , one entity that drove the improvement , it's really going to be vet .
Speaker #8: But then everybody else is just working on their constant . You know , continuous improvement projects . And it all came together . It was it was a very nice bump in the first quarter , which is , which is typically a very hard one for us .
Speaker #8: Just on , on shutdowns and available days of shipping .
Speaker #6: Great . And so how much of that 220 basis points do you think is sustainable going forward ? John .
Speaker #8: Yeah . I mean , if we think it's the same mix , I think I think we can do that on a on a trend line .
Speaker #8: As I mentioned in , in the , in the call , one of the tough things that we're dealing with in this quarter and thankfully we've gotten some relief is our , our first shipments in the in the Trump 232 tariffs of 50% .
Speaker #8: We were we got in containers of marine transmissions from Europe and from Japan . And those were tariffed at 50% . After feverish activity and explaining to Department of Commerce and anybody else in our codes , thankfully , those have come down to to 15% .
Speaker #8: So we're going to have to deal with that . Like in the second , you know , that happened in the first month of the second quarter .
Speaker #8: But I think once we can get through the initial negotiation of tariffs with customers , I think the trend line , I think we can sustain that .
Speaker #8: I think the second quarter right now , given the massive jump in tariffs that were impacted , passing it on , you know , I'd be happy to maintain that in the second quarter for sure .
Speaker #8: But you know , the trend line going forward , the team and the mix and what they've done , it's it's all it's all very positive .
Speaker #8: And our flexibility of being able to move product and assemble and test in different regions is definitely a competitive advantage for us .
Speaker #7: Yeah .
Speaker #6: Yeah , very encouraging . Last question for me is really on free cash flow for this year . And you talked about your plans for inventory and you made a couple of comments around CapEx .
Speaker #6: But how are you thinking about kind of conversion ? You know , either EBITDA conversion or net income conversion , however you want to look at it ?
Speaker #7: Yeah .
Speaker #4: Sorry , I well , I'll answer the question . I think you're asking David , and maybe you can clarify . So I think the way we look at , you know , profitability as we drive growth is , is delivering in our sort of benchmark is 40% .
Speaker #4: Like I said , we expect as volume grows , we're delivering 40% . You know , right now we're tracking , you know , our our target is to get double digit EBITDA .
Speaker #4: So say 11% EBITDA would be I think , a target for us this year . Some improvement from where we've been . But as we grow , I think what we have in our minds is to get get to that 15% EBITDA margin level , and that's going to take additional volume and additional margin improvements as , as , as we delivered this quarter .
Speaker #4: So I think we're on a good we're on a good trend to to get to some of those targets .
Speaker #6: Right . And so can you help us at all in terms of the free cash flow model for this year , in terms of what that might ultimately look .
Speaker #7: Like ? Yes . All free cash flow is ?
Speaker #4: Yeah , certainly it was it was a difficult Q1 for a variety of reasons . You know , we we have a typical step back in Q1 with with , you know , some payouts that that naturally follow our Q4 , we had some inventory growth with the demand , you know , the increase in backlog , maybe some prebys with anticipation of tariffs .
Speaker #4: So difficult . Q1 but we we still we're targeting , you know , 60% free cash flow as a percent of EBITDA . That's that's our target .
Speaker #4: That's our goal . I think that's still deliverable . We would hope to get close to break even , you know , and recover that Q1 in Q2 .
Speaker #4: So we're we're focused on , you know , managing that incoming inventory in light of the growing demand . I think , you know , we we don't want to do is is is is in any way hamper our ability to grow in disappoint customers , let's say , as we're as we're delivering that this this volume growth we have in front of us .
Speaker #4: So, yeah, that was sort of the drag on Q1.
Speaker #6: Yeah . No , that makes sense . Thank you very much , gentlemen . Congratulations on all the progress .
Speaker #8: Thanks .
Speaker #7: David .
Speaker #3: Thank you again . If you have any questions please press star and the number one on your telephone keypad . And we have not received any questions from the audience .
Speaker #3: I'll be turning the call back over to our CEO , John Batten for closing remarks .
Speaker #8: Thanks , Dustin . And thank you for your continued interest in Twin Disc Inc . If you have any follow on questions , please contact either Jeff or myself and we look forward to speaking with you in February .
Speaker #8: After our second quarter call . Dustin , I'll turn it back to you .