Q3 2025 Jazz Pharmaceuticals PLC Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good day and thank you for standing by . Welcome to the Jazz Pharmaceuticals 2025 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call . At this time , all participants are in a listen only mode .
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Speaker #2: Thank you . Operator . And good afternoon , everyone . Today , Jazz Pharmaceuticals reported its third quarter 2020 financial results . The slide presentation accompanying this webcast is available on the investor section of our website .
Speaker #2: Investors should also refer to the press release and the quarterly report on Form 10-q that we issued earlier today . Both are available on our website and filed with the SEC on the call today .
Speaker #2: Are Rene Gal President and Chief Executive Officer Sam Pierce . Executive Vice President and chief Commercial officer . Robert Iannone executive vice president , global head of R&D and chief Medical officer .
Speaker #2: And Phil Johnson , executive vice president and chief financial officer . On slide two , I'd like to remind you that today's webcast includes forward looking statements such as those related to our future financial and operating results , growth anticipated development , regulatory and commercial milestones which involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual events , performance and results to differ materially from those contained in these forward looking potential and statements .
Speaker #2: We encourage you to review these risks and uncertainties described in today's press release and under the caption Risk Factors in our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31st , 2024 , and our subsequent filings with the SEC , including our quarterly Report on Form 10-q for the fiscal quarter ended September 30th , 2025 , which identifies certain factors that may cause the company's actual events , performance , and results to differ materially from those contained in the forward looking statements made on today's webcast .
Speaker #2: We undertake no duty or obligation to update our forward looking statements . As noted on slide three , we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures on this webcast .
Speaker #2: Descriptions of these non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are included in today's press release , and the slide presentation available on the investor section of our website .
Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to Renee .
Speaker #3: Thanks , Jack . Good afternoon , everyone , and thank you for joining us to discuss Jazz's third quarter 2025 results . I'm delighted to be speaking with you today as Jazz's CEO .
Speaker #3: The past three months have been energizing and productive . We delivered two FDA approvals that underscore Jazz's ability to bring highly differentiated therapies to patients with serious unmet needs .
Speaker #3: These milestones reflect the strength of our execution , dedication of our teams , and our continued momentum to drive sustainable growth and meaningful value for our patients and our shareholders .
Speaker #3: Beginning on slide five , the results of the quarter reflect that momentum , starting with commercial , we achieved our highest ever revenue quarter over $1.1 billion , driven by robust growth from Xywav , Epidiolex and the early successful launch of midazolam .
Speaker #3: The first and only drug treatment for recurrent H3k27m mutant diffuse midline glioma , an ultra rare and aggressive brain tumor . Approval of midazolam followed the acquisition of Chimerix earlier this year , reinforcing our ability to strengthen our portfolio through corporate development .
Speaker #3: We also secured FDA approval for Zepzelca in combination with atezolizumab as a first line maintenance therapy for extensive stage small cell lung cancer .
Speaker #3: Both therapies are now included in NCCN guidelines reflecting the meaningful advancements these therapies bring to patients . Moving on to our pipeline , we look forward to sharing the highly anticipated top results from the phase three Zanidatamab Horizon trial in gastro adenocarcinoma , or GE .
Speaker #3: Later this quarter . In addition , we strengthen our early stage epilepsy pipeline through a global licensing agreement with Saniona . This agreement provides jazz with worldwide rights to develop and commercialize sand .
Speaker #3: 2355 , a promising pre-clinical candidate designed to overcome the limitations of non-selective kv7 targeting compounds . On the financial front , we remain strongly positioned to invest in the key growth drivers of our business .
Speaker #3: We narrowed our 2025 revenue guidance to a range of $4.175 billion to $4.275 billion, reflecting increased confidence in our outlook at this point in the year.
Speaker #3: In addition , we were pleased to have reached settlement agreements across the entirety of the Xyrem antitrust litigation and the litigation with Avadel .
Speaker #3: With these matters behind us , we can focus squarely on executing our strategy , maximizing our impact for patients , and creating meaningful value for our shareholders .
Speaker #3: Finally , we're thrilled to welcome Doctor Ted Love to our Board of Directors . Ted's extensive leadership in the biopharmaceutical industry and track record of driving scientific innovation , commercial success , and shareholder value will complement the capabilities of our existing board and deepen our commitment to innovating for patients .
Speaker #3: In summary , we delivered a highly productive third quarter with record revenues . FDA approval and rapid launch of Imidazo . Completion of the licensing agreement and in October , litigation settlements and first line maintenance combination approval for Zepzelca , all of which position us for a strong close of the year .
Speaker #3: I'll now turn the call over to Sam to discuss our commercial performance . After which Rob will cover our R&D pipeline . Phil will provide a financial update , and after that , we'll open the call to Q&A .
Speaker #3: Sam .
Speaker #4: Thank you . Renee . I'm looking forward to sharing the progress of our growing and increasingly diversified commercial portfolio today . Starting on slide seven .
Speaker #4: During the third quarter , we continued to build on the positive momentum we've seen across our portfolio . This year . Total revenues from our sleep therapeutic area , which includes Xywav , Xyrem and high sodium oxybate authorized generic royalties , was $520 million .
Speaker #4: Die wave net product sales grew 11% year over year to $431 million . We're pleased with the strong execution of our field teams , which drove an increase of 450 net patient adds exiting the third quarter with 125 net patient adds from narcolepsy and 325 from IHH .
Speaker #4: Our field team's efforts have been bolstered by our disease awareness , digital campaigns that have now been expanded to include narcolepsy . In addition to IHH , our field nurse Educator program continues to drive positive impact for patients , starting therapy .
Speaker #4: This program enables new Xywav patients to interact in person with a registered nurse to receive education on Titrating and optimizing their oxybate therapy , and has been effective in helping patients remain on treatment .
Speaker #4: The health benefits of reducing sodium intake continue to resonate with HCPs and patients , solidifying Xywav position in the market as the only oxybate that provides a significant and clinically meaningful reduction of sodium .
Speaker #4: In August, the American Heart Association and American College of Cardiology published a 2025 high blood pressure guideline, which recommends daily sodium intake should not exceed 2,300 mg per day for patients predisposed to high blood pressure.
Speaker #4: The daily intake of sodium should be less than 1500mg per day , a level which is exceeded by the recommended daily dose of all high sodium oxybate treatment options .
Speaker #4: These recommendations are supported by the recently published Zylo study that showed switching to low sodium xywav from high sodium oxybate was associated with a clinically meaningful reduction in blood pressure .
Speaker #4: These guidelines , alongside the Zylo data , reinforce our belief that every patient taking an Oxybate to treat narcolepsy or IHH should have the opportunity to benefit from xywav .
Speaker #4: We carry very strong momentum with low sodium xywav into 2026 , which is a year that brings the potential entry of one or more generic versions of our high sodium Xyrem .
Speaker #4: As a reminder , generics of Xyrem are able to enter the market early next year . The revenue impact of jazz will depend on which companies enter the market .
Speaker #4: How many may enter , and how these products will be priced . We therefore recognize that the availability of generics could result in payer actions that cause some level of disruption to Xywav revenue .
Speaker #4: However , even in a market with generic competitors , Xywav offers a differentiated profile and we will partner with payers to ensure that patients continue to have strong access to Xywav .
Speaker #4: The only low sodium oxybate on the market , and the only FDA approved treatment for I.h. . Moving to slide eight and Epidiolex .
Speaker #4: Net product sales were $303 million , resulting in a 20% increase compared to the third quarter of 2020 . For we continue to see healthy underlying demand for Epidiolex with 10% volume growth in the quarter .
Speaker #4: Revenue this quarter also benefited from a release of reserves following refinements of certain accrual rates here in the US . We are seeing sustained benefit from the robust body of real world evidence supporting both seizure and non-seizure benefits of Epidiolex with new data from the Ethicon study expected at the annual meeting next month .
Speaker #4: In addition , the nurse Navigator program has driven a meaningful improvement in persistency amongst Epidiolex patients enrolled in the program . Given our solid year to date performance , we remain confident that Epidiolex will reach blockbuster status this year .
Speaker #4: Moving to oncology on slide nine for the third quarter of 2025 , Rylaze . Net product sales were $100 million , representing a 1% increase compared to the third quarter of 2020 .
Speaker #4: For whilst overall asparaginase use has declined following implementation of updated pediatric protocols . The use of Rylaze within the Asparaginase class for pediatric treatment has remained stable .
Speaker #4: Our efforts continue to be focused on ensuring optimal use of Rylaze in the pediatric setting , ensuring patients are switched to rylaze at the first sign of a hypersensitivity reaction .
Speaker #4: And increasing rylaze use in the adolescent and young adult population . On slide ten . Net product sales was at for the third quarter of 2025 were approximately $79 million , a decrease of 8% year over year due to continued competitive dynamics .
Speaker #4: In the second line setting . We were pleased to have received FDA approval for the combination of Zepzelca plus centric expanding Zepzelca indication into first line maintenance therapy for extensive stage small cell lung cancer .
Speaker #4: Data from the phase three and Forte trial demonstrated a statistically significant improvement in overall survival for Zepzelca . In combination with centric , reducing the risk of death by 27% compared to the centric only arm of the trial .
Speaker #4: We believe these data are practice changing , and we are excited about the opportunity to help improve patient outcomes . We currently have the right team and capabilities in place to deliver a successful launch of Zepzelca in this new indication .
Speaker #4: Turning to slide 11 . Mediso became commercially available less than two weeks after receiving accelerated approval . Generating $11 million in net product sales during the third quarter of 2025 .
Speaker #4: We were pleased to receive early inclusion into the NCCN guidelines as a preferred treatment for both adult and pediatric use . Given the very high unmet need , exceptionally high awareness of Modesto and strong patient advocacy , support , we've seen rapid uptake in this early phase of the launch , with more than 200 patients having received Modesto at the end of the third quarter .
Speaker #4: The majority of these patients were new patients, with a smaller proportion transitioning from the early access program. We're hearing positive early feedback among physicians.
Speaker #4: Our comprehensive launch plan includes direct engagement with about 3000 healthcare providers , with an additional 7000 targeted through non-personal promotion , focusing primarily on academic centers of excellence , where these complex cases are treated .
Speaker #4: We've implemented robust patient access and support services through our exclusive distribution partnership with onco Threesixty . These investments were made to ensure patients can access treatment quickly and easily , and we're pleased with the strong payer access thus far .
Speaker #4: The launch of Medusa highlights Jazz's proven ability to advance rare disease and oncology programs through regulatory approval and commercial launch . I'll now turn it over to Rob for an update on our pipeline and upcoming milestones .
Speaker #4: Rob .
Speaker #5: Thank you . Sam . Slide 13 provides an overview of the key clinical programs in our diversified pipeline , including the comprehensive Clinical Development program that is underway for Zanidatamab .
Speaker #5: There are multiple ongoing Registrational trials for Zanidatamab , including the confirmatory first line BTC trial , the horizon GE one trial in first line Ghia , and the Advanced Breast Cancer Trial evaluating Zanidatamab efficacy following treatment with T-dxd .
Speaker #5: In addition, we have earlier trials like the Discover Hand Two, a six-pan tumor trial, and the Neoadjuvant Adjuvant Breast Cancer trial.
Speaker #5: These trials are progressing well with significant interest from sites , and we look forward to sharing an update on potential timelines for these trials .
Speaker #5: As appropriate . Regarding our confirmatory phase three trial of Durdevic in newly diagnosed H3k27m mutant Diffuse Glioma . We are an active dialogue with the FDA regarding potential updates to the trial , pending regulatory alignment .
Speaker #5: Our intent is to increase the sample size to power the trial for a primary endpoint of overall survival , which we view as the most appropriate endpoint for this confirmatory trial .
Speaker #5: Based on these proposed updates , we currently estimate an interim analysis of the overall survival could occur in late 2026 or early 2027 .
Speaker #5: The trial is active at more than 95 international sites and remains on track with more than 50% of patients enrolled . Moving to slide 14 , our next major catalyst is the top line readout of the phase three zanidatamab horizon one trial .
Speaker #5: As we announced today , and after alignment with FDA , we have updated the intent to treat patient population for PFS and now include the fully enrolled patient population , increasing the PFS cohort from the targeted 714 to 920 patients , which is the actual number of enrolled patients as detailed on ClinicalTrials.gov .
Speaker #5: As a reminder , we previously took the opportunity to expand the patient population for the overall survival analysis by expanding the sample size for that endpoint with progression events accruing more slowly than anticipated .
Speaker #5: Combined with the study being fully enrolled with sufficient follow up on enrolled patients . We aligned with the FDA to conduct the PFS analysis on the entire randomized patient population .
Speaker #5: Following this change , we continue to have robust powering to show a benefit for PFS . And we remain highly confident that we will announce top line results later this year .
Speaker #5: Consistent with our prior guidance . With that , I will turn the call over to Phil for a financial update . Phil .
Speaker #2: Thanks , Rob . I'll start on slide 16 with our top line financial results . As a reminder , our full financial results are available in our press release and in our 10-q .
Speaker #2: During the third quarter of 2025 , we generated $1.126 billion in total revenues . This represents an increase of 7% compared to the third quarter of 2020 .
Speaker #2: Epidiolex grew 20%, and Xywav grew 11% compared to the third quarter of last year. The continued strong performance of these products positions us well for the rest of 2025 and beyond.
Speaker #2: In total , revenue from our oncology products increased 1% compared to the third quarter of 2024 . This modest increase was driven primarily by the inclusion of Modesto and Zahera , partially offset by lower sales of Defitelio and Zepzelca .
Speaker #2: Adjusted net income , or Ani , for the third quarter of this year , was $501 million . Ani was affected by several items that you'll see outlined in our press release and 10-q , including the recognition of deferred tax assets related to the Chimerix acquisition , charges related to litigation settlements , and the Sami Ono licensing agreement .
Speaker #2: Cumulatively , these items increased our third quarter non-GAAP adjusted EPs by $0.66 per share . We continue to generate robust cash flow with nearly $1 billion recorded for the first nine months of 2025 , and our balance sheet remains strong , with $2 billion in cash and investments at quarter end .
Speaker #2: Turning to slide 17 and guidance revenues tracking to our expectations . So with just one quarter left in the year , we're narrowing our full year revenue guidance to 4.175 to $4.275 billion .
Speaker #2: We've also made several adjustments to our non-revenue guidance in terms of ongoing run rate . We've reflected lower litigation costs in our revised guidance , as well as continued portfolio optimization and prioritization in our reduced R&D guidance range .
Speaker #2: In addition , we've also incorporated the additional antitrust as well as Avadel litigation settlements into our revised guidance have included the additional IPR and charge from the standalone deal , and have reflected the Chimerix income tax benefit I mentioned earlier .
Speaker #2: To help as you refine your models . I'd like to reiterate a point I made on last quarter's call in the fourth quarter .
Speaker #2: We'll have 13 shipping weeks for our US oncology products . While this is a normal number of shipping weeks , it is one less week than we had in the third quarter of this year , as well as in the fourth quarter of last year .
Speaker #2: Finally , I'll close by providing a shout out to our internal teams who played a key role both in our acquisition of Chimerix and in the licensing of Santa Ana's potentially best in class Kv7 molecule .
Speaker #2: These transactions have strengthened our oncology and epilepsy portfolios, and we remain focused on improving Jazz's growth outlook by investing in external innovation.
Speaker #2: I'm confident that in the months and quarters ahead , we'll leverage our strong financial position to execute value creating deals that benefit patients and shareholders .
Speaker #2: With that , I'll turn the call back to Renee for closing remarks .
Speaker #3: Thank you . Phil . I'll conclude our prepared remarks on slide 19 . Jazz's third quarter results underscore the strength of our diversified portfolio and the exceptional execution of our teams .
Speaker #3: We've delivered meaningful progress across our commercial portfolio , including the launches of Mediso and Zepzelca , and we'll continue to focus on ensuring our therapies reach more patients quickly .
Speaker #3: Looking ahead , we remain on track to share top line results from the phase three trial of Zanidatamab later this quarter . An important milestone for jazz and for patients facing this aggressive cancer .
Speaker #3: Our focus on strong execution and disciplined capital allocation , combined with the momentum we've built , position us to deliver meaningful value to shareholders .
Speaker #3: That concludes our prepared remarks. I'd now like to turn the call over to the operator to open the line for Q&A.
Speaker #1: Thank you . At this time , we will conduct a question and answer session . As a reminder to ask a question . You will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced .
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Speaker #1: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster . Our first question comes from the line of Mark Goodman with Leary . Your line is now open .
Speaker #6: Yeah , Rob , you mentioned the Kv7 is potential best in class . Can you talk about how is that best in class and .
Speaker #6: And on the Epidiolex , can you guys just quantify what that benefit was to gross to net ? Thanks .
Speaker #5: We believe that .
Speaker #2: Oh sorry .
Speaker #3: Go ahead Rob .
Speaker #5: Thanks . Thanks , Renee . We believe the kv7 that is in development after the saniona deal is best in class because of the specificity for Kv7 point two and Kv7 point three .
Speaker #5: Differentiated from other molecules which have broader activity and the broader activity tends to give off target toxicity without adding to the efficacy . So we think we're in a precedented validated mechanism that's potentially very impactful .
Speaker #5: But with higher specificity , that will potentially allow us to hit the relevant targets harder and stay off of the targets that are causing the unwanted side effects .
Speaker #7: Thank you . And I'll just jump in on the Epidiolex question mark . It's Sam here . Yeah . So if .
Speaker #4: Epidiolex , this quarter , it was a good quarter as you saw $303 million , 20% revenue growth important I think for us to highlight that .
Speaker #4: We saw 10% volume growth this quarter . So , you know , a good healthy double digit volume growth . The revenue in the quarter was boosted not only by the volume growth , but also by the refinement of certain accrual rates here in the US .
Speaker #4: That gave us a an impact in that third quarter . And we don't expect that expect that to have a very material impact on future quarters .
Speaker #6: So you don't want to quantify it .
Speaker #2: Mark, this is Phil. I'd say it's the majority of that remaining difference between the 10% volume growth and the 20% revenue growth.
Speaker #2: But it's not all of it. Thank you. Sure.
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Jessica Fey with J.P. Morgan . Your line is now open .
Speaker #8: Hey , guys . Good afternoon . Thanks for taking my question . You mentioned that 2026 brings the generic entry of one or more generic Xyrem .
Speaker #8: Can you just elaborate on how you're thinking about the potential for other filers to enter in 26 and is your base case that there is at least one and a entrant ?
Speaker #8: And then , if you'll indulge me , I am so curious . The the change to the other population being used for the analysis for the horizon .
Speaker #8: Trial . Can you just walk through the potential benefits of using the IT population for the PFS analysis ? In addition to OS , given it seems like you're already well powered for PFS , so curious kind of what brought that about .
Speaker #8: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Rob, why don't we start with the second question, and then we can turn to Sam?
Speaker #5: Sure . And thanks for the question , Jeff . So as a reminder , when we first took the study over from Zymeworks , we knew we wanted to increase the sample size to insure adequate power for overall survival .
Speaker #5: Even though the study was clearly , well powered with the 714 for PFS at the time , given our assumptions around how the PFS events would roll in , we thought there would be a big gap between the time that we were ready to read out PFS on 714 , versus having enough maturity on the fully enrolled sample size .
Speaker #5: So over the course of time , the PFS events came in more slowly than we had predicted . As you know . And the trial enrolled very briskly .
Speaker #5: So we found ourselves in a situation where we actually have enough maturity on the full sample size . And so it only makes sense to look at all the patients enrolled , you know , rather than a subset .
Speaker #5: We checked that with health authorities , including the FDA . And they were aligned with that approach .
Speaker #4: And just coming , Jess , to your question around xywav . Yeah , I mean , as you know , and as a as a reminder , generics are able to enter into the market .
Speaker #4: From the beginning of next year at this stage , you know , we don't know the number of generics that would enter when they might enter or the price at which they will enter the market .
Speaker #4: So there are some unknowns there , but the availability of generics could result in payer actions that cause some disruption to xywav revenue .
Speaker #4: We are going to continue to partner with payers to ensure that patients have access to low sodium xywav . We believe that's important , and we believe that , of course , Xywav continues to offer a really differentiated proposition to patients , being the only low sodium oxybate in the market and the only FDA approved treatment for I .
Speaker #4: So yeah , that's what that's how we're currently viewing 2026 . Of course , still some things that need to we need to see how they'll play out in practice .
Speaker #1: Okay . Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Andrea Newkirk with Goldman Sachs . Your line is now open .
Speaker #9: Hi , everyone . Thanks so much for taking the question . Sam . Maybe I can follow up on Justin's question . There .
Speaker #9: Just as you think about potential generic entrants outside of , you know , maybe these negotiations with payers , are there any other strategies you might be willing to contemplate to defend against the competitive threat that might that might arise to the sleep franchise ?
Speaker #4: Yes . Thank you for the question , Andrea . You know , we've been focused . Now , as you can see that we've had very , very strong momentum with Xywav through the course of this year with 11% growth .
Speaker #4: And we continue to add net patient ads each quarter . We've got the highest number of active patients on treatment . Now . So we're carrying really strong momentum into the market .
Speaker #4: And the things that we've been doing are going to be as relevant in 2026 as they are in 2025 . The execution of our field teams has been very strong .
Speaker #4: The differentiating , the differentiation that we've been communicating to HC is really resonated well , even in a changing environment . In 2026 , Xywav is going to be the only low sodium oxybate on the market .
Speaker #4: We believe that that's still a really important differentiating proposition for customers . And to patients , and we're going to continue to invest in ensuring that that is that differentiation is understood .
Speaker #4: I think the guidelines , which just reinforce the importance of having a low sodium option , as well as our xylo data , which shows the impact of switching from a high sodium oxybate to a low sodium oxybate .
Speaker #4: These are all really very important differentiating features , and we'll continue to communicate those to to HCP as we enter 2026 .
Speaker #10: And just to add .
Speaker #3: On to .
Speaker #10: That , while this is not a direct strategy relative to defend against impacts , I will say just noting that we did report in our 10-q .
Speaker #3: That we entered into an amendment with Hikma and that amendment to our agreement extends the agreement by two years . We do recognize that a portion of the market narcolepsy market does continue to choose high sodium oxybate by providing more therapeutic options .
Speaker #3: We think that's a good thing for patients . And so , of course , our royalties on the sale of authorized generics by Hikma provide us the opportunity to continue to participate in that market .
Speaker #3: We've extended the agreement by two years . Our royalty rates are the same through the end of 2025 . And then subject to specific reductions of course , Hikma does maintain a right to launch a generic .
Speaker #3: If they do so , they no longer have access to our authorized generic or our Rems . But as part of this , we also gain termination rights that we did not have previously , which allows us to better manage our business .
Speaker #3: So that's another element of of our business that we think makes sense for jazz and is important to understand .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Akash Tiwari with Jefferies . Your line is now open .
Speaker #11: Hey , thanks so much . So we've seen some increasingly unpredictable interactions with biotechs and the FDA recently . How confident is your team that the FDA is okay with horizon GA having no US patients in the trial ?
Speaker #11: And was that discussed when you updated the PFS analysis with the agency recently ? Thank you .
Speaker #3: Rob , you want to jump in on that one ?
Speaker #5: Yeah . Happy to . And thanks for the question . So we've had multiple interactions with FDA and other health authorities . And we're aligned on the overall design .
Speaker #5: There was a clear rationale for not . Accruing patients from the US . You know , with the approval of Keytruda , would have been a confounding factor .
Speaker #5: But the FDA is really focused on it's not so much whether patients are being enrolled from the US , but whether the enrolled patient population is representative of patients in the US in terms of disease characteristics that the trial design is well controlled .
Speaker #5: Using a control that's relevant to US patients and that the trial conduct , including supportive care , is in line with typical supportive care .
Speaker #5: So the overall the results would be applicable to the US population . And and we so we've had this discussion with FDA over multiple interactions .
Speaker #5: And I'm comfortable that it's not an issue for us .
Speaker #1: All right . Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Jason Gerberry with B of A or Bank of America .
Speaker #1: Your line is now open.
Speaker #12: Hey , guys . Thanks for taking my question . Just another follow up on the Oxybate generic next year . I would assume by now , like November , I remember like around this time , three Q ahead of Avodart coming the subsequent year , you guys had a line of sight on being a parody access as an oxybate .
Speaker #12: So yeah , I'm just wondering why that is . Maybe you don't have a line of sight and would it be your base case that to get xywav , you're going to have to step through a generic with most insurers and then I'd love to get your thoughts just on emerging orexin data in narcolepsy type two .
Speaker #12: I think nt1 the data and profiles are pretty reasonably well understood , but , you know , I think we are seeing less of a treatment effect size in Nt2 .
Speaker #12: And I'm just kind of curious how you think about the value proposition of that as a potential competitive threat to Xywav as well.
Speaker #12: Thanks .
Speaker #3: Yeah , thanks for the question , Jason . Why don't you hop in on the first one ? Sam . And then Rob , you can cover the second .
Speaker #4: Yes . Thank you . Thanks for the question , Jason . Yeah , we at so far there has been no material change to our engagement with payers .
Speaker #4: You know, we continue to engage with them as we normally would do in 2026. We don't have a line of sight into exactly how 2026 will play out.
Speaker #4: We know that generics are able to enter the market , but we don't know yet how many there will be , when they might enter and what the precise pricing conditions will be .
Speaker #4: And all of that obviously will have a bearing on the year ahead of us . Of course , you know , we do expect that to have an impact on Xyrem revenue .
Speaker #4: But the materiality of impact as Xywav , you know , will depend on all of those factors yet to be determined .
Speaker #5: Yeah . Happy to answer the question . Related to Nt2 . So first of all , not a surprise that Nt1 is more sensitive than Nt2 or I would be given what we know about the underlying biology .
Speaker #5: And I'm also not surprised to see that as data emerged that , you know , we're learning still , it's fairly early days and still learning .
Speaker #5: You know , what will have which compound will have the best in class profile . You know , how to dose what what half life is maybe most optimal and ultimately the benefit of orexin agonists relative to other options such as oxybates and xywav .
Speaker #5: And I think all of the data that are emerging , you know , continue to to reinforce our position that Xywav Oxybate , Xywav being the safest of all Oxybate , given the low sodium , it's really the only way to address the disruption and the abnormalities in nighttime sleep , which are the root cause of ent1 and ent2 and idiopathic hypersomnia .
Speaker #5: Some of the data that we published on Xywav and World Sleep recently , I think , highlighted that the benefit of xywav in terms of improving those sleep parameters , which appear not to be improved when you look at total sleep or deep sleep , which is important not to be improved by based on the available data that we have on other orexin agonists .
Speaker #5: In fact , orexin agonists , especially depending on the half life , can cause insomnia and disrupt sleep . So we continue to think that while orexin agonists are very potent , wake promoting agents for the for daytime symptoms , that the combination could be very powerful .
Speaker #5: It's always been the case for oxybate that patients sometimes take wake promoting agents during the day . And we think that that will continue to be the case and that our actions will be another option there .
Speaker #5: But as data roll out , it continues to reinforce the value of xywav for patients who are benefiting from it .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . As a reminder , everyone , we ask that all analysts please limit themselves to one question . Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster .
Speaker #1: Our next question comes from the line of Amy Faria with Needham and Company . Your line is now open .
Speaker #13: Hi . Good afternoon . Thanks for taking my question . Maybe just a broader one . How has your business development priorities between CNS and oncology evolved with some recent successes that you've had on the oncology side ?
Speaker #13: The DEA data around the corner . But also looking a little bit ahead . The changing landscape in the sleep space . So how are you thinking about sort of where your priorities might be ?
Speaker #13: Thank you for the question .
Speaker #3: So first and foremost , we are highly focused on where we believe we can have a meaningful impact for patients and and whether that is within oncology , neuroscience or neuro oncology .
Speaker #3: That's where our primary focus is. Rob, do you want to comment further?
Speaker #5: Sure. You know, as we highlighted in our prepared comments, we're certainly very excited about some of the near-term readouts. The fact that we now have approval in front-line small cell lung cancer has completely changed the paradigm.
Speaker #5: And a new standard of care for those patients who are desperate need of new therapies , approval of Dr. Avapro first , first drug therapy approved and high grade gliomas .
Speaker #5: Already having a huge impact on a very high unmet need . And you know , Zanidatamab approved in BTC and a lot of anticipation and excitement around the potential in GE and beyond .
Speaker #5: So , you know , certainly excited about about our oncology franchise . But also a lot of promise on the CNS side as well , with with Epidiolex evolving into the critically important drug that it is .
Speaker #5: And our capabilities around epilepsy . Enabling us to do deals like Saniona and to develop other pipeline agents that we have that haven't necessarily disclosed the specifics of .
Speaker #5: But continue to make us excited about . Areas such as epilepsy as well .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Mohit Bansal with Wells Fargo . Your line is now open .
Speaker #14: Great . Thank you very much for taking my question . I would love if you could comment on how should we think about the authorized generic royalties for next year .
Speaker #14: When would you know that Hikma has opted in or opted out at this point , given that we are in November at this point , what should be our base case ?
Speaker #14: Thank you .
Speaker #2: Sure , Mohit , I'm happy to go ahead and take the question . Still . So at this point our assumption is that we will have the AG provided by Hikma during 2026 .
Speaker #2: The royalties is Renee mentioned for a stay at their current rate here this year , and then we'll be subject to step downs .
Speaker #2: We're not providing the specific percentages that will be applied other than this . It continues to be a meaningful royalty . Back to jazz and a potential meaningful revenue stream for us .
Speaker #2: Moving forward .
Speaker #14: Helpful . Thank you .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of David Amsellem with Piper Sandler . Your line is now open .
Speaker #15: Thanks . I wanted to come back to . Xywav and Dynamics in 2026 with Xyrem generics in the market . So you made some comments about access shoring up access .
Speaker #15: So should we take that to mean that you're going to be making some concessions on Xywav pricing ? In other words , you will see some degradation potentially in net realized price for Xywav as sort of a cost of continuing to have access and preventing switching away from Xywav .
Speaker #15: Is that a reasonable way to think about it , or is it just too early to to go there ? Thanks .
Speaker #3: Yeah , this is Renee . I'll jump in on that one . I would say going into the year , we are feeling good about our current position , but I would emphasize some of the comments that Sam made previously that with the availability of generics , there could be additional actions that take place that could cause some disruption .
Speaker #3: And it really does depend on how the market evolves . We have a very high focus on ensuring that we have access , and that is strong access .
Speaker #3: Sam talked about where we are today with little to no step through in order to get access to Xywav . We have focused on the clear differentiation of the product .
Speaker #3: So I would say more to come as we get into 2026 . We have not provided guidance for 26 yet , nor do we typically provide guidance by product .
Speaker #3: But I would say based on where we sit today and we're poised to enter 2026 , we're feeling good about the position that we're in .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Annabel Samimy with stifle . Your line is now open .
Speaker #16: Hi . Great . Thanks for taking my question . I'm going to shift gears to to oncology . I'm wondering from from that seems like it was a great start .
Speaker #16: Is this a bolus ? Does it include stocking and what can we expect for the cadence of uptake in the coming quarters ? How familiar are docs with this treatment ?
Speaker #16: And I guess in the same way for the new approval or expanded label for Zepzelca , I realize that it's probably too early , but the data has been out for for some time now .
Speaker #16: Has there been any contribution yet ? In the first line setting , and what can we expect on the cadence for approval ? Post-approval there with the compendia inclusion and the fact that it was already an available drug .
Speaker #16: Thanks .
Speaker #4: Yeah , thanks for .
Speaker #3: That . I'll start and then hand it over to Sam to cover . So why don't I just start with Zepzelca , which is it's pretty early , given that we just received the approval .
Speaker #3: So we're excited about the reaction we're hearing from physicians . They're obviously already very comfortable in using Zepzelca in the second line , but too early to tell how much use is happening in the first line with respect to that , little to no stocking .
Speaker #3: That's not really how our distribution works , but super excited about this . On the back of the successful corporate development transaction , Sam .
Speaker #4: Yeah , just add to that . Renee , in relation to Modesto , we're obviously really pleased with the launch so far . I think $11 million in the first quarter .
Speaker #4: You know , following FDA approval in August . And obviously we received the NCCN guidance in pediatrics and adults as well . There has been , I think , really three factors that I'd like to kind of highlight .
Speaker #4: First of all , obviously the very , very significant unmet need , you know , we've had very strong HCP and patient engagement .
Speaker #4: You had a question around awareness , awareness of the products is exceptionally high . And and we're seeing that in the in the rapid uptake .
Speaker #4: We have a really experienced team behind this product dedicated to Modesto . And and I think they're doing a terrific job . And access has been really , really very strong .
Speaker #4: We've got a very good partnership with our specialist distributor who are supporting patients to get on to treatment rapidly . In terms of we did see we had about 200 , just over 200 patients by the end of the third quarter .
Speaker #4: Some of those did come from the expanded access program , but more than 60% of them were new patients . So new to new to new to Modesto .
Speaker #4: And that's how we would continue now . And that's the outlook for the forthcoming quarters , is these patients will all be new to Modesto .
Speaker #4: And we're seeing a steady uptake there . So confident launch . And , you know , really just reinforces our belief in this product as a potentially $500 million plus peak in the US .
Speaker #17: Okay .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Brian with Baird . Your line is now open .
Speaker #18: Hey , thank you for taking my question . Maybe for Rob on the GTA readout . Now , the sample size of 920 .
Speaker #18: Can you just review ? Are there four separate comparative analyses here ? That or B versus AC versus A for OS and PFS and how to think about powering across them and the and the outlook split .
Speaker #18: And is there any hierarchy to to the analysis .
Speaker #5: Yeah I mean while there were some early publications that detailed the specifics since since jazz took on the trial , as is our usual , we don't get into the nitty gritty of the statistics , but I would say that we do have the opportunity at this point to look at both PFS and an interim on overall survival .
Speaker #5: And I would say a silver lining of the PFS events coming in a little more slowly , as we probably have more maturity on overall survival than we might have had under protocol assumptions .
Speaker #5: And yes , there is the opportunity to make the comparisons between both of the experimental arms and the control arm . Having said that , we think we're very , very well powered for PFS .
Speaker #5: Obviously , the trials at 918 is powered for overall survival , and that's sometimes even makes it somewhat quote , overpowered for PFS .
Speaker #5: So we think we're well powered for PFS . And we have a well timed first of three interim analyses for us .
Speaker #18: Great . Thank you .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of David Hong with Dolce Bank . Your line is now open .
Speaker #19: Hi . Thanks for taking my question . I just wanted to ask , I guess another one on horizon DEA , can you just help us ?
Speaker #19: I guess maybe set expectations for the level of disclosure you would have in the top line data ? Would we see things like subgroups broken out by Pd-l1 expression status ?
Speaker #19: And once the data in hand is your expectation to approach the FDA and be able to receive a full approval on on this data , thanks .
Speaker #5: Yeah , thanks for the question . So on the latter part of it , yes , we do expect this would as a randomized controlled trial with a primary PFS endpoint .
Speaker #5: And supportive overall survival . If we see a large enough benefit in PFS and we see meaningful support from OS , it should bring full approval to remind you the primary experimental question here is really is Zanidatamab superior to Herceptin , which we think we have lots of data to support that it that it would be that's the primary comparison .
Speaker #5: And then , you know , between ARM arms B and A and then in arm C we have the opportunity to see if the addition of a PD one inhibitor specifically to visilizumab adds to adds to the benefit .
Speaker #5: We certainly will be measuring Pd-l1 as a subgroup . Those subgroups are powered or in any way , but we have an opportunity to look across subgroups .
Speaker #5: But the . The primary question is . Zanidatamab versus Herceptin . And then to your question of what would we be disclosing ? You know , we'll try to be as transparent as possible .
Speaker #5: As I think we were with the recent effort data release , where we where we indicated , you know , stats clinically meaningful and tried to provide some color around that .
Speaker #5: We want to be careful about disclosing specific data in a press release ahead of a peer reviewed publication , because sometimes that can , compromise our ability to publish , publish at a high impact Congress .
Speaker #5: And in a in a . High impact , peer reviewed journal , which then supports course submission to NCC guidelines , etc. .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much for that. Our next question comes from the line of Ash Verma with UBS. Your line is now open.
Speaker #13: Hi . Yeah , thanks .
Speaker #20: For taking the question . Rob . Just on the study , if you can comment on this , I think you said when you adopted from Zym the study , you wanted to change the just the assumption for OS is the PFS powering assumption still the same that line had what am I what I mean is the 95% of for the HR of 0.65 for arm C and the 80% for 0.73 for arm B ?
Speaker #5: Yeah . Thanks for the .
Speaker #20: Question .
Speaker #5: Yeah . I mean , what I wanted to point out is that when we did when we did the deal , we knew that the study and of course Zymeworks did as well , that the study was underpowered for OS .
Speaker #5: You know , it was a three arm study . It had a similar sample size to keynote 811 , which had only two arms .
Speaker #5: So we knew we wanted to increase the sample size to better support power for overall survival . And give us an opportunity to have two interim analyses before the final and third overall survival .
Speaker #5: At that time , we felt that that PFS was well powered , even with 714 patients , you know , under under the specific protocol assumption .
Speaker #5: So , you know , with the full sample size , we continue to think that it's that it's very well powered for PFS .
Speaker #5: I do acknowledge that there was a publication from Zymeworks that detailed some specifics of the statistics , but we haven't commented since then on specific details of the stats .
Speaker #5: But just to reinforce that very , very comfortable with the powering around PFS . And now we have , I think , a more robust opportunity for overall survival , including even , you know , the first two interim analyses before we have a final look .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Joseph Tormey with TD Cohen . Your line is now open .
Speaker #21: Hi there . Good evening and thank you for taking my question . Maybe one on the Kv7 acquisition . Can you talk a little bit about where you were going to be looking at developing these these therapies ?
Speaker #21: Obviously two competitors are reasonably ahead in the focal onset seizure space , but we've also seen , you know , companies look at ALS and pain .
Speaker #21: So is there any more room left in focal onset seizures . Or are you going to be looking to look elsewhere where maybe you have , you know , a little bit more of a timeline advantage ?
Speaker #21: Thank you .
Speaker #5: Yeah , we haven't detailed or disclosed our full development ambitions for that program yet , and we are certainly thinking through that as we bring it forward to the IND stage .
Speaker #5: I think what's critical , though , is what motivated us to do this particular partnership is that we feel it has the potential to be meaningfully best in class in a category where I feel there is substantial scientific and clinical proof of concept around the target .
Speaker #5: But what we do know is that when you hit Cv7 broadly , you not only get efficacy , but you see unwanted tolerability issues which have been observed in the clinic .
Speaker #5: And we think that we've been able to parse them out around the subtypes so that this particular molecule , being specific for kV point two and point three , we think has the potential to be much more on target for producing maximal efficacy .
Speaker #5: And avoiding kV cave 7.4 and 7.5 , which don't contribute meaningfully to efficacy . And contribute to some of the tolerability issues that have been observed .
Speaker #5: So in in short , we think we have best in class opportunity across across . Certainly focal onset seizures . But in other areas where it would be relevant as well .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Asim Rana with Truist Securities . Your line is now open .
Speaker #22: Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking the questions . This is awesome . One for June . Just a couple from us .
Speaker #22: Where are you exactly with orexin agonist JZP-451? I know it's an open label. Just curious what we can expect an update on, and as a follow-up, I saw that recently reported positive topline data in the tremor.
Speaker #22: Is there any interest in reviving to the side ? Thank you .
Speaker #3: Rob , you want to jump in ?
Speaker #5: Sure . Happy to . So no new news yet on Jzp 451 . We are enrolling a small Nt1 trial . And you know we're seeing data emerge .
Speaker #5: Nothing to disclose yet at the moment . But I would say we also have a backup program that we continue . To pursue .
Speaker #5: Again , we think that the mechanism is of importance , has the potential to be a meaningful daytime alerting agent and very complementary to Xywav .
Speaker #5: So we continue to be interested in that area . You know , in terms of the recent announcement by Praxis around Cap and essential tremor , you know , we read what you did .
Speaker #5: I still have some questions around what the data actually show , given that the Idmc initially , you know , called called the trial futile .
Speaker #5: So it would be very it'll be interesting to see what data they have and what we can learn from that . You know , from our from our own study .
Speaker #5: We felt that the data just didn't support progressing that program relative to the other , you know , really meaningful opportunities that we have in our pipeline .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Sean Lemmon with Morgan Stanley . Your line is now open .
Speaker #23: Hi , this is Michael Riad on for Sean Lehmann . Thank you for taking our questions . I wanted to drill down on some of your prior commentary .
Speaker #23: The Xywav results from Duet at World Sleep seem really compelling . Can you help to contextualize the restoration of sleep architecture versus wake promotion with erections ?
Speaker #23: Are they more of an accelerant instead of a competitor ? And if so , would you ever think about getting like , the results from duet , formally into the label ?
Speaker #23: And are the results from duet sufficient in that regard ? Thanks so much .
Speaker #5: Yes , thanks for the question . Because I do agree that they are meaningful results . You know , we had prior data on the effect of oxybate at night , and we do think that Xywav is really the only Oxybates are the only drug that really address the root cause of narcolepsy and idiopathic hypersomnia and sine wave , of course , is is the safest , best option to do that , given that it's a low sodium oxybate .
Speaker #5: But again , it reinforces that for patients like nt1 patients or even nt2 and idiopathic hypersomnia , where nighttime sleep is severely disrupted , if you take narcolepsy patients , for example , they might have over 80 on average 80 awakenings a night .
Speaker #5: And , you know , very let's say disrupted or less N3 or deep sleep than a typical patient . And when you give xywav as these studies showed , you meaningfully improve that .
Speaker #5: And that results in improved daytime symptoms , both wakefulness as well as cataplexy . So we think it's critical to address the underlying root cause of the disease .
Speaker #5: With any therapy in these hypersomnias and some patients certainly will benefit from additional wake promoting agents during the day . We just haven't seen that with any of the other wake promoting agents .
Speaker #5: And orexins included . You know , the only data I've seen so far suggest that there may actually be insomnia and that may be worse with drugs that have a longer half life , that just don't wash out in time for the evening .
Speaker #5: Even the PSG data , which hasn't really been fully shared , suggests that there's not improvement in key parameters such as total sleep time or deep sleep .
Speaker #5: And and it's concerning that the insomnia may be actually resulting in worsening sleep in that first part of the night . At least .
Speaker #5: And so again, we continue to think that it's an important new mechanism in hypersomnias. But ideally, it will be used in combination with Xywav, certainly for those patients who are finding meaningful benefit already from Xywav.
Speaker #5: As as to whether this could ultimately end up in the label , we certainly think that it's important information for prescribers to have , and that's why we published it , you know , I won't comment on necessarily where we are in terms of discussions with FDA on label changes related to it .
Speaker #1: Thank you so much . Our next question comes from the line of Gary Nachman with Raymond James . Your line is now open .
Speaker #24: Hey everyone, this is Denis Reznik on for Gary Nachman. Thanks for taking my question. Just on Zanny, assuming a positive readout.
Speaker #24: How would you be thinking about price in that scenario relative to what it currently is for BTC ? Thanks so much .
Speaker #3: Yeah , when we this is Renee . When we priced Zanny for BTC , we were already looking at the GE market and keeping that broader opportunity in mind .
Speaker #3: So I would not expect to have a different price as we are launching GTA . And I think with that , that was our last question .
Speaker #3: So I'd like to close today's call by thanking all our jazz colleagues for their efforts . All of our partners and stakeholders for their continued confidence and their support .
Speaker #3: Thank you all for joining us .