Q3 2025 Angel Studios Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker #1: Good afternoon. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to Angel's Q3 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are listening remotely.
Speaker #1: A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed into question cue at any time by pressing star one on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: If anyone requires operator assistance, please press star zero. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jeanette Masters, investor relations.
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Speaker #8: Welcome to Angel's third quarter earnings call. Joining me are Neil Harmon, Angel's co-founder and CEO, and Scott Kloffner, Angel's Chief Financial Officer. Our third quarter earnings press release is available on our investor relations website at angx.com.
Speaker #8: We also encourage you to sign up for our email alerts. Neil and Scott will make about 30 minutes of opening remarks before we turn the call over to questions from our sell-side analysts, as well as questions pre-submitted by our Guild members.
Speaker #8: Thank you all for joining us. Let me pass the call over to Neil.
Speaker #1: Jeanette, and good morning, everyone. It's an honor to speak with you today on our first earnings call as a publicly traded company. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Scott and I are delighted that we're getting started with a great set of third quarter results. We’re our most important measure of success, our guild membership is 1.6 million, up more than 500% year-over-year and up 90% sequentially.
Speaker #1: Also, today we're announcing acquisitions of the highest-performing franchises on the Angel platform and a successful AI-driven discovery technology in the Angel app, which has positively impacted watch times by 12%.
Speaker #1: These watch times are the most significant driver of Angel Guild retention. But more on all of this shortly. This moment marks the culmination of a journey years in the making.
Speaker #1: The successful completion of our listing has resulted in Angel's debut on the New York Stock Exchange. It reflects the strength of this community and the power of our unique audience-first model. Our mission is to tell values-driven stories.
Speaker #1: I'm joined today by Scott, as Jeanette mentioned, Kloffner, who brings a wealth of experience in his 35-year career as an executive across capital markets, M&A, and financial leadership at multiple public companies.
Speaker #1: And he's been instrumental in preparing Angel for life as a public company. I'm grateful for his partnership and steady hand. On behalf of our leadership team, I also want to express sincere gratitude to everyone who helped us get here.
Speaker #1: Our guild members, our early supporters, our investors, and our entire team: your hard work, faith, and dedication have made today—and every milestone—possible.
Speaker #1: And this is just the beginning. About two months ago, the Angel team was welcomed by the New York Stock Exchange, marking the milestone of our public debut.
Speaker #1: It feels like the starting line. Don't underestimate the importance of this milestone in our journey. It elevates the Angel brand, increasing our reach. It allows us to grow the Angel Guild more rapidly.
Speaker #1: Our recurring revenue business supports engagement of the Angel Guild, which is our differentiating edge in the over $100 billion per year global TV and streaming market that is growing in excess of 20% annually.
Speaker #1: Angel was founded on a fundamental belief that telling values-driven stories will inspire families and communities around the world. Our company is a response to an increasingly out-of-touch Hollywood studio model.
Speaker #1: At Angel, 1.6 million members of the Angel Guild—not remote Hollywood gatekeepers—decide what films and television series get produced and distributed in theaters and on the Angel platform.
Speaker #1: Which inspires mainstream audiences. Our guild members put their money where their eyes, heart, and values are. The Angel Guild details the kind of programming they crave and acts as virtual co-producers on every project.
Speaker #1: This fast-growing community is at the heart of everything we do. As of the end of Q3, our guild has 1.6 million paying members and continues to grow at an exciting pace.
Speaker #1: But for those new to the Angel story, it's worth highlighting just how significant this growth has been. Because paid marketing for the guild launched in the second quarter of 2023.
Speaker #1: By the end of 2024, membership had reached just shy of 550,000 and accounted for just over one-third of total revenue. Today, just 11 months later, members now contribute to 77% of our revenue.
Speaker #1: Underscoring the power and scalability of this community-driven model, the Angel Guild does three things that define our business model: it helps to select films and TV series.
Speaker #1: Second, rallies in theaters support theatrical releases and spark cultural movements. And third, funds in part future films and TV shows through their monthly memberships.
Speaker #1: Together, they are helping us reorient the Hollywood studio model to one that is audience-centric and mainstream. In our model, we don't guess what the audience wants to pay to see.
Speaker #1: They tell Angel and filmmakers what they want to see and back it up with their dollars. Evan Shapiro from the Media Odyssey podcast believes that this is the future of Hollywood and also that Angel is pioneering it.
Speaker #1: In less than two years, we've found 1.6 million people who agree with us, and we believe that this represents only a fraction of the total audience that can become part of our Angel Guild.
Speaker #1: I'll tell you what, we cannot wait to welcome all of you. Our approach is confirmed by independent data that the average Rotten Tomatoes audience score for Angel theatrical releases is 93%, significantly above those of any major distributor or streaming platform globally.
Speaker #1: Allowing audiences to decide which films and television series can come onto our platform is going to be massively disruptive. Every guild member also makes a pledge, what we call the "Pledge to Amplify Light," which says when I vote, I pledge to help choose excellent entertainment that is true, honest, noble, just, authentic, lovely, or admirable.
Speaker #1: That pledge is more than words. It's our reason for being. It's how a fast-growing global community aligns around a shared mission. It's what unites us.
Speaker #1: It's why we started this company. For shareholders, the guild isn't just a curation machine; it's a recurring revenue engine. Membership fees provide consistent, recurring income that helps fund new projects, support filmmakers, and build long-term shareholder value.
Speaker #1: There is power behind a story that resonates. I've met countless billionaires who, after decades of building businesses, decide it's now time to make a movie.
Speaker #1: But they understand that film is more than entertainment; it's culture, it's legacy. This desire to leave a mark isn't unique to billionaires; it's universal.
Speaker #1: The Angel Guild makes that possible for regular people. We partner with those who share the same passion to create stories that inspire and endure.
Speaker #1: And guild members get to interact with filmmakers, and they get to see films being produced and coming to the silver screen. One of the most rewarding things for me to see is how fast the Angel brand has grown.
Speaker #1: I can wear an Angel t-shirt in an airport anywhere in the world, and someone will stop and thank us for what we are doing.
Speaker #1: That recognition isn't the result of traditional marketing spend. It's the result of a movement that aligns around values-driven, family-friendly storytelling. That's making our world a little bit better place.
Speaker #1: This quarter was a foundational one. While it followed a naturally lower theatrical release period, as the back-to-school season concluded, there was a strong demonstration of the stability and scalability of our recurring guild revenue and the resilience of our community model.
Speaker #1: Revenue reflected the smaller slate of new releases, but the underlying metrics that matter most—engagement, retention, and guild membership—continue to grow. That's the key story for investors.
Speaker #1: Our business isn't solely defined by the timing of film releases or the seasonality of entertainment, but by the enduring relationships we have facilitated by building this technology to connect audiences and filmmakers.
Speaker #1: Every new guild member contributes to a growing base of high-margin recurring revenue that compounds over time. As the guild grows, their joint decisions become smarter.
Speaker #1: Smarter at picking the winners for mainstream audiences. We call it audience intelligence. While *Sound of Freedom* showcased the potential of the model, for scale, the guild itself has now grown to more than twice the size of the revenue of our previously biggest hits.
Speaker #1: The Guild is an engaged, vibrant community that continues to expand and strengthen our long-term foundation. Looking ahead, we have a strong theatrical lineup that we expect will meaningfully contribute to both top-line growth and Guild expansion in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #1: Last month, we announced our first significant strategic development that reflects our commitment to long-term intellectual property ownership and brand-defining storytelling. This was the acquisition of the David franchise.
Speaker #1: In partnership with 2521 Entertainment, "David" is an epic animated film and TV series based on the timeless story of David's journey from humble shepherd to king.
Speaker #1: It tests the limits of faith, courage, and love, culminating in a battle for the soul of a kingdom. It's Angel's most highly anticipated theatrical release, and it's the largest crowdfunded film in history.
Speaker #1: It's the kind of film that makes our work at Angel totally worth doing. This animated epic features original music by acclaimed musicians Phil Wickham, Miri Masheka, and Lauren Daigle.
Speaker #1: And it's set to premiere in theaters on December 19th, 2025, just in time for Christmas for all our families. I'm thrilled to share that David has already earned nearly $3 million in theatrical pre-sales in just three weeks.
Speaker #1: The highest in Angel's history, outpacing even King of Kings and Sound of Freedom. Also, this is actually the highest ever reported for an animated theatrical musical in such a time frame, this far out from the movie's release.
Speaker #1: And perhaps our greatest achievement, at least in our home, is getting my children to sing something other than K-Pop Demon Hunters. They've got David now, the David soundtrack, playing on repeat.
Speaker #1: And it's been part of our strategic release to make all the songs for David available for streaming right now. As previously mentioned, this morning we announced the definitive agreements to acquire our three highest-performing series on the Angel platform: Tuttle Twins, Homestead, and The Wingfeather Saga.
Speaker #1: Homestead is a premium post-apocalyptic thriller film and television series. The film stars Neal McDonough, and season one of the series draws audiences into a fractured America struggling to survive after a nuclear blast.
Speaker #1: Delivering suspense, with a deeply human story of faith, family, and resilience. We are releasing additional episodes of Season One shortly, and we'll soon begin production on Season Two.
Speaker #1: Homestead differentiates itself with strong production value, high rewatchability, and measurable pull to the Angel Guild for both acquisition and retention. It stands as the strongest member acquisition title in the Angel library.
Speaker #1: In fact, Homestead is growing faster than Season One of our previously highest-performing series based on the New Testament. Earlier this month, Season Four of the hit animated television series Tuttle Twins premiered, and my little boys made me very aware of it.
Speaker #1: The series takes families on an adventure that teaches liberty and virtue through laughter and imagination. Tuttle Twins is the most-watched TV series on Angel.
Speaker #1: And we're very excited. Season three of The Wingfeather Saga, based on Andrew Peterson's best-selling fantasy series, is also now streaming exclusively on Angel.
Speaker #1: And my boys have asked me to watch it tonight with them. It remains one of the most successful crowdfunded family animated series ever produced.
Speaker #1: The important takeaway from the acquisitions I just touched on comes back to the guild. Strategically, these three acquisitions give Angel intellectual property and highly successful franchises, compounding the long-term value of our library and increasing the retention numbers of the guild.
Speaker #1: Whichever the genre, whether fiction or nonfiction, film or television series, Angel delivers the values-driven entertainment that our guild tells us they're looking for in theaters and on the Angel platform.
Speaker #1: And in addition to David and these three other series, we have a diverse lineup of coming releases. "I Was a Stranger" is a powerful story of resilience and hope set against the backdrop of the Syrian Civil War.
Speaker #1: It's been featured in more than 50 film festivals worldwide and received the Amnesty International Film Award. It's a beautiful film, and it's set to debut in theaters on January 9, 2026.
Speaker #1: Then, on February 6th, we plan to release "Solomiel," our first romantic comedy, starring the incredibly talented Kevin James. We're also preparing to launch Season 18 of "Dry Bar Comedy," our flagship funny-for-everyone franchise, with more than 6 billion views.
Speaker #1: Praised by Jay Leno and featuring specials such as "Adam Carolla Comes Cleaner," Dry Bar Comedy has a library of 400 hours of family-friendly entertainment.
Speaker #1: Much of which is available exclusively on Angel. Wayfinder's highly successful pilot episode sparked tremendous excitement within the Angel Guild, and we're eagerly anticipating its season one debut.
Speaker #1: On the Angel app on December 16, 2025, the series exemplifies exceptional storytelling that found its home at Angel after creative differences with a major streamer.
Speaker #1: Proof that great stories thrive where filmmakers are free to stay true to their original vision. This momentum segues perfectly into how the guild serves as the key driver of our recurring revenue stream.
Speaker #1: While taking a moment to expand on additional revenue lines, we currently have four primary revenue streams, each one reinforcing the other: Angel Guild memberships, theatrical releases, licensing, and other revenue.
Speaker #1: Angel Guild memberships are available through monthly and annual membership fees, providing a growing base of recurring revenue. Both basic and premium tiers include voting rights and early access to releases.
Speaker #1: With our premium offering, we provide complimentary theatrical tickets and merchandise discounts. We have recently introduced basic plus theatrical releases, bringing revenue from our original films through direct relationships with exhibitor partners.
Speaker #1: Every ticket sold generates a share of box office receipts, with international distribution typically routed through local partners. Theatrical's purpose at Angel is to give the guild a moment to celebrate and to attract new filmmaker partners.
Speaker #1: As theatrical releases help retention. Third, licensing our films and TV shows to major platforms like Amazon, Apple, and Netflix. Longer term, we intend to extend those rights into we intend to extend our rights into derivative experiences such as video games, live productions, and themed attractions.
Speaker #1: And fourth, other revenue is a small catch-all for merchandise and physical media sales in our direct-to-consumer online store, as well as wholesale partnerships with retailers.
Speaker #1: This diversified model reflects how the Angel Guild powers not only our creative pipeline but also our economic engine. As our membership base grows, each of these categories benefits from higher engagement, cross-promotion, and cross-pollination.
Speaker #1: Ultimately, this creates a reinforcing cycle of growth, loyalty, and recurring revenue. So, while the timing of theatrical releases and other factors may create quarter-to-quarter variability, as I noted earlier, our long-term focus and strength is clear.
Speaker #1: Base hits and blockbusters both help Angel expand and strengthen the Angel Guild. Every investment we make in our technology is designed to deepen the relationship between artist and community.
Speaker #1: We're innovating ways for members to interact directly with filmmakers, vote on projects, and participate in the success of stories they crave. That connection will allow Angel to scale both sustainably and profitably in the years ahead.
Speaker #1: During the third quarter, Angel expanded our library across key platforms, including Samsung, Amazon, and Apple. This, by the way, reduced in-app purchase fees from 30% to 15%, saving over $3.5 million annually.
Speaker #1: Angel also strengthened partner relationships with Roku, LG, and others with improved revenue terms and record TV performance. Approximately 30% of guild membership signups come from these channels.
Speaker #1: On web and mobile, key optimizations boosted engagement and the signup flow, and pricing increased guild signups by 9% and revenue by 6%. Mobile enhancements included over-the-air updates and flexible checkout options.
Speaker #1: And they continue to improve the overall experience. Our simplified submission process and automated upflows enabled a record 150 concurrent film submissions by filmmakers. New membership plans and parental controls expand options and personalize experiences for our audience.
Speaker #1: These initiatives reinforce Angel's commitment to innovation and delivering exceptional experiences to viewers and filmmakers alike. Finally, and this is huge, our teams are already seeing breakthroughs from adopting AI.
Speaker #1: We ran a sophisticated A/B test. Traditional discovery is the control. AI-driven discovery is the experiment. The result? The AI version boosted average watch time for guild members by a full 12%.
Speaker #1: And remember, watch time is the most significant factor in increasing retention. To summarize, Angel's value isn't just measured by quarterly box office results, but by the strength, growth, and recurring nature of the guild that powers them.
Speaker #1: To our early supporters, team, filmmakers, and the entire guild: thank you for your courage, creativity, engagement, and faith. You've proven that when people unite around a mission to tell values-driven stories, we can transform an industry.
Speaker #1: And maybe, just maybe, we can make the world a better place for our children. With that, I'll turn over the time to Scott to walk through our financials.
Speaker #1: results in more detail. Thanks,
Speaker #2: Neil, good morning. It's a privilege to be here to walk you through the details behind what was really a historic quarter for Angel. As Neil outlined, our results this quarter highlight both the strength of our model and the scale of the community supporting it.
Speaker #2: It's important to understand how to balance rapid growth with responsible investment to position the company to take advantage of this enormous opportunity. I believe the Q3 results reflect the success of our strategy.
Speaker #2: Our Q3 top line was $76.5 million in revenue, which is a 280% increase over 2024 when we did $20 million in the third quarter.
Speaker #2: For the first nine months of 2025, revenue grew 223% to $211.6 million, up from $65.5 million. Last year, the guild revenue accounted for 77% of total revenue in this quarter, as compared to last year when it accounted for only 45%.
Speaker #2: Total guild membership as of September 30th reached 1.6 million members. That's up from 1.3 million, a 19% increase in the second quarter, and up over 500% year over year, contributing an additional $50 million in revenue from the guild for the quarter over last year.
Speaker #2: Trailing 12 months, the average revenue per guild member (ARPM) per month is currently $13.70. This is a new metric we are disclosing publicly. What's important to note in all these numbers is the foundation we are building.
Speaker #2: We're continuing to see our investment in member acquisition, delivering significant top-line growth and momentum. This level of growth we're seeing is the result of the value proposition to our members, leading to significant value creation for our shareholders.
Speaker #2: Cost of revenues was $34.3 million, compared to $8.1 million in the same quarter last year. This increase is due to more memberships and the transaction fees related to that growth.
Speaker #2: Along with the higher royalty payments to filmmakers, as they benefit from their performance, which in turn fuels guild growth, a true financial meritocracy for our filmmakers is key to the Angel strategy.
Speaker #2: Selling and marketing expenses were $64.7 million, up from $16.6 million in the same quarter last year. As long as we can efficiently grow the Angel Guild, you'll continue to see this investment.
Speaker #2: Along with guild investment, we had two theatrical releases during the period, contributing to the increase in selling and marketing expenses. General and administrative expenses were $10.1 million, and research and development totaled $4.2 million in the quarter.
Speaker #2: We are seeing significant economies of scale, as G&A expenses are relatively flat year over year to date. Now, as a public company, we feel we will feel pressured to expand G&A.
Speaker #2: But we'll work to be efficient in our support of the company and its growth. Our investment in the growth of the guild over 500% year over year led to a net loss of $38.6 million in the quarter, or $0.25 per share.
Speaker #2: Compared to a net loss of $13.9 million, or $0.10 per share, in the same period last year, this includes expenses related to our merger and the process of trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
Speaker #2: As to the balance sheet, Angel ended the quarter with $63.3 million in cash and cash equivalents, compared with $7.2 million at the end of Q4 2024.
Speaker #2: As to IP acquisitions, as we did with David, with the David film and the other franchises we're reacquiring, we continue to remain opportunistic as amazing films and/or television series come along that fulfill an economic and strategic benefit to Angel.
Speaker #2: These are few in number compared to the Angel Guild Library, but we believe they have the potential to accelerate growth and provide enormous value to Angel and our members.
Speaker #2: We also continue to invest in technology to extend our reach, scale the business, and strengthen the ecosystem. These are intentional and responsible investments, carefully aligned with the mission of Angel, to grow the guild and deliver high-quality, values-driven entertainment to the world.
Speaker #2: Unlike traditional studios that rely on high-cost in-house content production, our audience-first approach, along with our distinctive filmmaker royalty partnership model, allows us to scale efficiently by funding and distributing projects based on real audience demand and filmmakers believing in their fine product.
Speaker #2: This approach reduces execution risk and capital intensity. Now, just before our public listing, we also closed a $100 million credit facility, which enhances our capital structure, providing additional flexibility to fund the continued growth of the Angel Guild.
Speaker #2: As of the quarter, we had drawn $40 million on that facility. Since 2021, we have been holding Bitcoin as part of our treasury strategy.
Speaker #2: That balance is reflected in the Q3 at $34.6 million. This equates to about $1.8 Bitcoin per million shares of Angel. To provide the company with greater flexibility, and with Angel now shelf-eligible, we have filed a shelf registration of $400 million and expect to file an at-the-market ATM offering shortly after the government reopens.
Speaker #2: We believe that having this in place is a matter of sound corporate governance and prudent capital planning, providing optionality as strategic opportunities arise. And before I close, I'd like to address our approach to guidance.
Speaker #2: We're in a period of exceptionally high growth, and with that comes a number of dynamic variables, including the timing of theatrical releases, guild membership momentum, and film and television-related investments that can shift from quarter to quarter.
Speaker #2: While things will change and evolve, providing guidance now would be premature. Given the pace and variability of our expansion, like entertainment platforms that have gone before us in their early years, our focus is on scaling efficiently before shifting toward formal targets.
Speaker #2: We will continue to provide transparency through our quarterly updates. We are a fast-growing company prioritizing disciplined execution and sustainable growth. In summary, the third quarter marked a historic period for Angel Studios and an exciting beginning to our journey as a public company.
Speaker #2: Our results demonstrate the power of the Angel Guild model: a recurring revenue engine fueled by a passionate global community. We have millions more members to add to the Guild as we believe Angel-curated films will serve the majority of families in America, seeking excellent, value-driven stories to share with each other.
Speaker #2: We have a lot of work ahead to meet our goals, and as value-driven entertainment continues to expand globally, we're uniquely positioned to lead that movement.
Speaker #2: Thank you, and with that, I'll turn it back to the operator to open the line for further questions. Certainly. We're now conducting a question-and-answer session.
Speaker #2: If you'd like to be placed into the question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue.
Speaker #2: One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Our first question is coming from Jason Helstein from Oppenheimer. Your line is now live.
Speaker #3: Hi, everyone, and congratulations on your birthday earnings call and joining the public markets. So, Neil, maybe just one for you, and then a few financial questions for Scott, and then I'll get back in with you.
Speaker #3: So, help us to think about, for example, the David franchise. I don't know if you're going to disclose how much that acquisition was. I assume you look at this as an incremental driver of subscriber acquisition.
Speaker #3: Maybe just talk through how you think about the ROI of this type of franchise, and then I'll ask a few questions to Scott. Thanks.
Speaker #1: You bet. So the David acquisition was $80 million, and it was done in conjunction with 2521 Entertainment, which has been a great long-term partner. Strategically, it was about the combination of a film and a series, and this is the highest guild-rated title in our history.
Speaker #1: And the series, they're five minutes short, and have performed exceptionally well on our service. And so when you look at when you actually see the David movie, you'll find that the quality of this movie was produced by talent from Pixar, Disney, and DreamWorks. The script was reviewed by the writer for the story—the head of story for some Pixar movies.
Speaker #1: Anyway, it's just phenomenal work, and as I've done early screenings, people are like, "Wow, they think it looks like a $200 million movie." And so, between the fact that it is the highest level of work that we've ever done, and then we have the potential to turn it into a series, and have all of the IP rights associated with derivative works, and such, this is a long-term play and a real great opportunity for 2026. We'll do the release of the film at the end of the year in the fourth quarter, which is the second best quarter for theatrical releases.
Speaker #1: And then it's the best quarter historically for streaming, so we'll be able to take advantage of the Young David series right here during the fourth quarter. Then we'll be able to take the momentum from the theatrical release and carry that as it goes on into the guild and into other windows, into our 2026 results.
Speaker #1: So very excited about that. There'll be more to come on that in our report next.
Speaker #1: year. Thanks.
Speaker #3: That's great. That's actually a perfect segue. So, Scott, I guess understanding you're not giving guidance and understanding the logic there, but just maybe help us think a little bit about seasonality for net ads between pre-queue and for-queue.
Speaker #3: I mean, just Neil just said how for-queue is typically a strong time for streaming. But just elaborate do just then two more after that, and I'll
Speaker #3: Get back to the cue. I'm sorry.
Speaker #1: Jason, could you repeat that again? Turn it up a little bit. Turn it up just a little.
Speaker #4: Yeah, yeah, sorry.
Speaker #1: But I'll repeat the question, Jason, so he can hear it while they turn it up. He was asking about how many net membership ads we'll have in the fourth quarter in terms of how we think about seasonality of the quarter and how it'll affect net ads?
Speaker #5: Yeah. So generally, as Neil mentioned, the fourth quarter is the strongest streaming month or quarter of the year. Generally speaking, Q4 and Q2 are the two strongest.
Speaker #5: As we move towards the holiday season and as people start to come on, and as we release more and more of the content that we have, obviously we have the big David release, which we talked about.
Speaker #5: We anticipate that's a number that we'll grow as we go into the fourth quarter. It's an effective month for us. We measure everything in the way that we acquire acquisition. Both, we're looking at what our costs are, how much we have to invest, and what's our return on those assets, on and on and on.
Speaker #5: as we're doing that, and we're measuring, we will And so we see lean in as we're getting response from the customer base. But we would anticipate to see fourth quarter being a strong quarter for us, for sure.
Speaker #1: If I could, I would like to add something there, if you don't mind, Jason. The release lineup for streaming: we've got "Wing Feather Saga" that came out a couple of days ago, the first two episodes; "Tuttle Twin" Season 4; "Homestead" is coming out here in November; and "Wayfinders" is coming out in December.
Speaker #1: Young David, the lineup for the titles that are hitting the platform in the fourth quarter, they're our biggest IP, our biggest titles with brand new content.
Speaker #1: And I think that that bodes well for the net ads in the fourth.
Speaker #1: quarter.
Speaker #3: So, yeah. Great call. Yeah. I just want to ask a bit about the content licensing revenue in the quarter. What were the dynamics that drove the sequential increase there?
Speaker #3: And maybe tie that back. I think the gross margin was so, despite theatrical, similar to Q1, gross margins were below Q1 levels. And I think it ties back to content licensing.
Speaker #3: So just talk about the dynamics that are impacting the sequential increase in content licensing revenue, and kind of how that flows through and the swing factors around gross margins on a consolidated basis.
Speaker #3: Thanks.
Speaker #5: Yeah.
Speaker #5: Generally speaking, the mix of theatrical and guild, as it's evolving over time, we're getting more and more guild revenue as the percentage of our total revenue.
Speaker #5: Guild revenue includes things—excuse me—guild COGS includes things like transaction costs, the guild tickets that we provide for our premium members, and those things. So the actual guild gross margin is slightly lower than theatrical.
Speaker #5: In theatrical, as we recognize revenue from theatrical, a lot of those costs have been taken out by the theater, and then we get our cut from the theaters as that occurs.
Speaker #5: So if we have a huge release in the theater or multiple releases in the theater, you'll see gross margins going up somewhat. As the guild grows and becomes a bigger and bigger piece of the whole pie, you'll see some variability in the gross margin that way.
Speaker #5: It's not the ARPM that we measure that changes dramatically from month to month. There can be some variability in it, but for the most part, the gross margin is more affected by the mix of theatrical and gross margin than anything else, really.
Speaker #1: And if I could add, on content licensing, one of the big innovations that happened this year was we got direct relationships with a lot of distributors: Apple, Amazon, Fandango, and others for premium video on demand.
Speaker #1: And that had a sizable impact on the content licensing revenue.
Speaker #1: item. Well, Neil
Speaker #5: also mentioned—I'm sorry. Go
Speaker #3: Okay.
Speaker #1: I was going to go ahead.
Speaker #1: say, sorry. Neil mentioned in
Speaker #5: the call a little bit that we're actually, as we're gaining more and more volume in a lot of our activities with our vendors, there will also be some benefits to scale throughout the expense structure of the company over time.
Speaker #5: We talked about some of the Apple benefits that we've gotten from the deals we've been able to cut with them.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Next question today is coming from Ryan Myers from Lake Street Capital. Your line is now live.
Speaker #7: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Congratulations on the first earnings call of the public company. First question for me, I appreciate the color that you guys gave us on average revenue per member.
Speaker #7: Can you talk us through this? Maybe what you guys are targeting here, is this kind of $13 to $14 the target range for you, or is there opportunity for that to get?
Speaker #7: higher? Well,
Speaker #5: There are always opportunities in many ways. ARPM, over the measurement that we're using, is over a 12-month period. So, you won't see high volatility from month to month or quarter to quarter, in general.
Speaker #5: But the things that would affect that would be the mix of premium to basic plus to basic with ads. As those things adjust over time, you'll see some movement in that.
Speaker #5: We would like to end with the percentage of customers or members that are coming in on an annual basis because we discount the annual memberships.
Speaker #5: So those things will move the number. It could, as the volume grows and as the guild grows over time, that mix will adjust and change.
Speaker #5: So we're not actually targeting a specific number. We don't see a huge movement at the moment, but adding this third tier, we're A/B testing this all the time.
Speaker #5: And so we have some idea what that'll do, which will obviously, if you add a third tier to a higher amount, it would imply that there would be some upward movement in that number.
Speaker #5: But again, it's one of those things like if ARPM is slightly dropping but volume is increasing massively, at the end of the day, it's about the ability to generate the revenue from the members.
Speaker #5: But it shouldn't move too hard. I think where it's currently at is, it's a math problem driven by those factors that we just talked about.
Speaker #5: mostly. Okay.
Speaker #6: Got it. Makes sense. And then just thinking about marketing spend for the quarter, it came in at about $65 million. Any sort of commentary you can give us as far as how we should be thinking about that for maybe the fourth quarter and then the balance of the year?
Speaker #6: 2026?
Speaker #5: Yeah. I see volatility in that number, particularly as we offer. I think, again, there are always going to be some theatrical releases. When you see a title go out, if it extends beyond—if it goes from a double to a triple to a home run—you'll see us lean in on marketing expense in those instances.
Speaker #5: So there'll be some that could cause some significant variability in that number. We measure, we A/B test; we're always looking at the data. As we are looking at our ability to acquire customers at the cost and it's efficient, we will continue to lean in as we see things like, well, as you mentioned, as ARPM starts to move in terms of we see the different tiers that are coming in.
Speaker #5: It affects customer lifetime value. We will always lean into the most effective and efficient sort of space or band for us to operate in. I wouldn't think of 65 million as a static number, though.
Speaker #5: I think that'll move, particularly depending on the different theatrical releases we...
Speaker #5: I think that'll move, particularly depending on the different theatrical releases we have.
Speaker #1: And then we expect incremental increases. I mean, we're now to be helpful, we are tracking the average revenue per member, and we're breaking out the marketing for the guild and the revenue for the guild to help investors understand how that's incrementally growing in terms of marketing spend, guild memberships, and overall guild revenue.
Speaker #6: Okay. Got it. I appreciate the visibility there. Thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker #5: Hey, thanks,
Speaker #5: Ryan. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Next question today is coming from Thomas Forte from Maxim. Your line is now.
Speaker #8: Great. So, first off, Neil, Scott, congratulations on going public. I have deep respect for your mission and also enjoy your movies quite a bit.
Speaker #8: One question, one follow-up. Now that you're a publicly traded company, how has that impacted your ability to attract members to the...
Speaker #1: I love guild. That question. Thank you, Tom. So ANGX is a symbol, and if there was ever a company that merits being a public company, it's Angel.
Speaker #1: We had almost 70,000 investors when we went live on the New York Stock Exchange, and this is a number. It's a symbol of the movement.
Speaker #1: And of the success and impact of the movement. It allows a lot more people to enlist in the movement. It was really interesting to see because we had raised $55 million leading up right to the public listing, and then we saw volumes in excess of that in a day’s time on the exchange.
Speaker #1: The public markets offer incredible scale. We were able to do a deal with Trinity Capital as part of this process and raise other capital for growing the Guild.
Speaker #1: So this should all be positive towards our guild growth opportunities ahead.
Speaker #1: so. Wonderful.
Speaker #8: All right. And then from my follow-up, super impressed. How are you able to attract Kevin James to Angel Studios for his upcoming release "O Sole Mio"?
Speaker #8: And then, as part of attracting him, are you obligated to spend a disproportionate amount of money on marketing compared to your other films?
Speaker #1: I'll let Scott cover the marketing question, and then I'll talk about how we attracted him.
Speaker #5: Yeah. There are times when there's some contractual requirements on advertising without speaking specifically to Kevin's deal. But for the most part, advertising is driven in part by the by the most part, by its performance in the theaters and how it's performing both in pre-sales and in early in the early part of the as it's released into the theaters and how it's performing in the theaters.
Speaker #5: But the biggest driver of that number will clearly be that it's never an inordinate amount. We never make deals where we're guaranteeing some sort of $30 million investment.
Speaker #5: It's always in sync with how the film is producing, so that we can keep that in check vis-à-vis the revenue that.
Speaker #5: we're going to get. Yeah.
Speaker #1: That's important to our model when we do a deal is that marketing spend is right-sized for the release. So now attracting Kevin James today, Angel has two sides to its network and market, and we have a differentiated edge in each side.
Speaker #1: So, we've got the audience, and then we've got filmmakers. Kevin James was attracted because of both of these components. On the audience side, the guild helps us make the decisions as to which films and TV shows.
Speaker #1: They're engaged. They're invested. And they put their money where their mouths are and their feet where their decisions are. They show up in theaters to help support the release of films.
Speaker #1: That creates a platform for filmmakers that they can't get anywhere else. And so when Kevin James wants to be on the silver screen and he wants a lot of people that are getting behind the opening release on February 6th next year, well, Angel is his best opportunity.
Speaker #1: We have 1.6 million guild members who now know that the guild trusts this story; it's highly rated, and they'll vote with their feet.
Speaker #1: So secondly, on the filmmaker side, the way we do things differently is we share in the net with our partners. This provides the benefit that we don't have as much capital outlay and costs to operate and scale our business as most do.
Speaker #1: But it also benefits the filmmaker side, because if they truly believe in their work—which Kevin James is an amazing actor and comedian, and he does.
Speaker #1: And he should because "Sole Mio" scored off the charts. So he's saying that the traditional streamers pay too much for the duds and too little for the successes.
Speaker #1: And he believes he's going to be a success. So he decided to go with Angel. He gets a platform to launch it, a huge community, and he gets to share in the upside.
Speaker #1: So those two are the reasons that Kevin and other A-players are.
Speaker #1: Coming to Angel, and I think there's...
Speaker #5: A constant theme here, which is that as a company, we're more like a tech company in the sense that we are constantly trying to align our revenues with our expenses.
Speaker #5: As opposed to having massive sort of dislocations.
Speaker #5: between one and the other over time.
Speaker #1: Correct.
Speaker #1: Because of the Angel app, we actually sell the tickets directly to the audience for "Sole Mio," and we can right-size the marketing spend around that.
Speaker #5: Yep.
Speaker #8: Thank you, Neil. Thank
Speaker #8: you, Scott. Thank you,
Speaker #6: Thank you. Next question is coming from Tom. Eric Handler from Ralph M. Cameron is now live.
Speaker #9: Good morning, guys. Thanks for the question.
Speaker #9: Good morning. I wonder if you'd be willing to give sort of a breakdown of the various tiers for your members at this point?
Speaker #9: And then, as a follow-up to that, I know it's still very early with Basic Plus advertising. What is sort of your early read on including advertising as part of the package?
Speaker #1: Really good question. Thank you, Eric. So we haven't published the breakdown. However, what's been really encouraging is we did basic with ads and then distinguished basic which, and then we have premium at the top tier.
Speaker #1: By introducing a basic, ad-free option, we have helped increase the premium account subscriptions. This is very exciting for us. However, we haven't published the actual breakdown of those numbers.
Speaker #1: But we're constantly testing these things, and you'll see evolution over time as we hone in on the message and on the right offering for the new guild.
Speaker #1: members. Fair
Speaker #9: Enough. And then, Scott, I wonder if you could just sort of give your key milestones or goals that you want to achieve in 2026.
Speaker #1: So as we look at the company, obviously, when we talk around the company about what it is we want to do next year, we always fall back on the notion that all questions lead to growing the guild.
Speaker #1: And that's the essence of what we're trying to do here. We're trying to build a company and an opportunity where we can provide the kind of content that we want our families to share for the rest of their lives without giving any specific guidance.
Speaker #1: Typically, what we're looking to do is continue to invest in the guild like we've been doing. We'll see the economy scale start to grow even in terms of the marketing expense as we grow that guild base, and it gets larger and larger.
Speaker #1: If you look at membership in our sector, you see that members who are with you the longest tend to stay with you once they've gone past about a 90-day or even a six-month period.
Speaker #1: They stay with you much, much longer. Is that base of those who have been with us continuing to grow and becoming a bigger part of our foundation?
Speaker #1: We would see that providing economies to our expenses gives us some operational leverage to improve upon that. It's a constant every day. We're looking to improve upon that, get stronger, and start to scale our business a little bit more every month.
Speaker #1: quarter. You're welcome, Eric.
Speaker #9: Thanks,
Speaker #9: Scott.
Speaker #1: Thank
Speaker #1: you. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Next question is coming from Stephen K. Hall from Wells Fargo. You're live. Is now live.
Speaker #10: Thank you. A couple of strategic questions and a housekeeping one. So, on the theatrical side, we've seen a lot of growth in premium large format like IMAX-type screens.
Speaker #10: Which seems to have a good kind of virtuous circle of folks returning to the box office. So curious for your theatrical releases how you're thinking about premium large format theaters.
Speaker #10: Relatedly, when you think about how to go to market on streaming, there's a model of being more niche, where we often see penetration reach levels, but on smaller services like Starz or Crunchyroll.
Speaker #10: And then there's licensing to scale players, where you have a lot less control, but often the numbers of viewership can get pretty big. I'm thinking of platforms like Netflix or Disney.
Speaker #10: So how do you think about scaling your streaming platform within this overall industry structure, which is kind of constantly changing? And then just a housekeeping one on deferred revenue.
Speaker #10: I think it's moved up a little bit since the beginning of the year. Just wondering if you could comment on what's driving the deferred revenue increase.
Speaker #10: Thank
Speaker #10: you. Great.
Speaker #1: Thank you very much, Stephen. Would you cover the deferred revenue, and I'll cover the...
Speaker #1: other part of the question? Sure.
Speaker #10: The deferred revenue is just deferred revenue; it's driven by the amount of our annual memberships vis-à-vis our monthly memberships. So, it depends on sometimes it's the offers that we're providing.
Speaker #10: We may have a Black Friday sale or something else on annuals that would push that number. That would increase the deferred revenue compared to the revenues over time.
Speaker #10: And so that's literally the way we look at it. It has to do with the 12-month amortization on the revenue recognition of annual revenues.
Speaker #10: And that'll vary a little bit based on different, sometimes it's consumer behavior and just the time of year that they're inputting. It depends on the type of offerings that we have.
Speaker #10: We actually draw customers in based on the different content that we provide. And so that will change with some variability. Series will have a different response than a feature film might.
Speaker #10: And that, again, will impact annual memberships, which then have to be amortized over the 12 months that they're with us.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Scott. So the big IMAX screens very much think about that on a per-title basis on whether a film justifies being on that kind of a screen.
Speaker #1: And we were having discussions about, and in fact, before moving Zero AD into 2026 and then moving David here into the fourth quarter, we were having discussions with IMAX about Zero AD in IMAX because Zero AD is just this amazing, breathtaking experience.
Speaker #1: And it deserves to be on IMAX screens. So it's very much a per-title strategy and whether that makes sense for IMAX and for Angel.
Speaker #1: On your question about the size of the market and the way we think about the market, I don't want to offend the coasts, because most of the decisions in this industry have traditionally been made in New York and California.
Speaker #1: From my perspective, and from those of the millions of people who are joining this movement, the coasts are serving just 10% of the audience. Those are the people who go to the theaters regularly; 10% of the audience goes to the theaters.
Speaker #1: And they have a worldview that mirrors Hollywood, and we look at that as more fringe. That's the way that I see it, Stephen. But the numbers also support that.
Speaker #1: So, Angel's mission is to tell stories that amplify light, which is the broad umbrella, and faith is a subcategory of that umbrella.
Speaker #1: And Harris X did a global faith and entertainment survey, where they found that 73% of global entertainment consumers consider their religion and their faith very important to them.
Speaker #1: And they want more of it; it's basically a proxy for light. So we think of that Harris X survey as kind of the floor for the total addressable market.
Speaker #1: survey for the US market, it's at And when we look at that Harris X 77% of Americans. So if I just did some simple calculations for you, and we just took Netflix, for instance, and their install base, I think August they reported 82 million total households subscribe to Netflix.
Speaker #1: So, let's call that great market penetration in the U.S. If we take the faith base, that would be over 62 million households. Now, I have a question: how far can Angel expand above that?
Speaker #1: Because Angel has a broader tent approach to the way we do this, because we're values-driven. When we look at the global market and the way that it's moving, by 2034, Oppenheimer did a report for us that said our global addressable market is over $300 billion.
Speaker #1: So this is very mainstream. And I think people will discover that over time, even though the industry likes to think of Angel as serving a niche.
Speaker #1: It's very much serving the desires of mainstream audiences throughout America and around the world, who just want to be represented better. Angel lets them decide what Angel distributes.
Speaker #1: So, this model is extremely disruptive, and we're very excited about the future.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #10: You You bet,
Speaker #10: Eric. Thank you.
Speaker #11: Those are all the questions we have on the line. We now want to take a few questions from your Angel Guild members. They have submitted pre-submitted questions online.
Speaker #11: Let me start with the first one. Is Angel Studios committed to walking the path of courageous, value-driven storytelling? Or will it eventually be pressured into the same market and political compromises that have hollowed out Hollywood?
Speaker #11: In becoming public, it worries me that you'll compromise the core message of your movies, series, and animations. How can you assure us that won't happen?
Speaker #1: Well, just to be really direct, that's up to you. Because at Angel, you get to decide what we can distribute. So we have to have your permission.
Speaker #1: As the CEO of Angel Studios and as a founder, I can't publish something on the Angel platform without your permission. So that power is in your hands at Angel.
Speaker #1: The Angel brand represents all of you, and that will continue. Now, you might ask yourself, "Okay, fine. But now that you're a public company, perhaps the company could be taken over by larger companies, and the mission could be veered off."
Speaker #1: Well, the unique way in which we went public was to address this very question. So, we have almost 70,000 people who are cheering for us, rooting for us.
Speaker #1: And literally made all of this possible by investing in Angel. And then another like 150,000 people who have invested in Angel projects. And, well, they asked over and over again, if you guys go public, are you going to lose the mission?
Speaker #1: How can you hold on to the mission? How do you make sure that the public markets don't veer us off course? So what we did is we gave the original founders and the people who helped us way back in 2016 a group of people who helped us in 2021.
Speaker #1: We gave everyone super voting shares, so they get 10 votes per share. Those original people who believed in us when there was no reason to believe, because the situation got very bleak for Angel.
Speaker #1: In the early days of a big, huge lawsuit, we helped us get through that. We gave them and the founders the power to decide the future of the company.
Speaker #1: And so we're going to the reason that we're here, which is for that mission. The reason that we're here is to make the world a better place for our children and grandchildren.
Speaker #1: We believe that will actually be very profitable as a media and technology business, and that's where we intend to go. So, thanks for that great question.
Speaker #1: And you can be assured that Angel is rock solid on our mission.
Speaker #11: Thanks. Let's move on to your next Guild member question. This member asks, "I've been a Guild member for six months, and my family and I love the Turtle Twins in particular."
Speaker #11: I was wondering how I can share access with my friends and.
Speaker #11: Family? I love this question as well.
Speaker #1: So we have a couple of opportunities to share as Guild members. Just in time for the holidays, we've got ways that you can gift Guild memberships in the Angel Store on the website.
Speaker #1: And we also introduced a brand new feature where you can share pretty much anything in the Guild. Like you can on YouTube, except it makes it so that when you share, they don't have to have a Guild membership.
Speaker #1: So just go to the Turtle Twins episode in the app on your phone that you want to share. Click the share for free access link.
Speaker #1: And then give that link to your friends and do this. Like, do this often. This is the way that we can spread the movement.
Speaker #1: And what we see is a great uptake from those people who are shared for free, where they end up joining Angel. So you can share without having to share your password the way you may have done on other streaming platforms.
Speaker #1: But we wanted to make that easily available for all Guild members to expand the movement.
Speaker #11: Thank you. Let's take our final Guild member question. I'm a film producer and also a Guild member and appreciate what Angel is doing. How do I get in touch with you about a project we could work on?
Speaker #1: Oh, another good question. So, filmmakers of all sorts are very welcome. If you go to angel.com/filmmakers, or just go to angel.com and click on the menu, there's a place there to learn more about filmmakers.
Speaker #1: This gives you everything that you need; it provides estimates for royalty payments. It explains how the Angel model works, how it benefits filmmakers, and how Angel gives back to our partners.
Speaker #1: We provide unprecedented creative control, and we just facilitate technology that connects the artists with their community. That was a great question, and we're very excited about the number of submissions now that are coming in.
Speaker #1: And we're building this timeless library of stories that amplify light. All right.
Speaker #11: Great. Back over to you for closing remarks.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Okay, thank you. So, thanks everyone. I think the headline here is simple: the Angel community is redefining the future of film and television.
Speaker #1: And our $1.6 million Guild members, growing more than 500% year over year, are a testament to that fact. And that we're onto something great.
Speaker #1: This strong third quarter earnings release is our first as a publicly traded company on the New York Stock Exchange. With everything we have in the pipeline, we hope to come back and deliver many more. We're on the roads in the coming weeks, meeting institutional investors at a range of tech and media conferences.
Speaker #1: And we would love to meet as many of you as possible. So I encourage you to get in touch with our investor relations team: Luke Johnson and Jeanette Masters, to book your meeting with us.
Speaker #1: Thank you for joining us today. And we will see you all soon.
Speaker #11: Thank you. line at this time and have a wonderful day. today's teleconference and webcast. Let me disconnect the