Q3 2025 Innovative Industrial Properties Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good day and welcome to the Innovative Industrial Properties , Inc. . Q3 2025 Earnings Conference Call . All participants will be in the listen only mode should you need assistance , please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key , followed by zero .
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Speaker #3: Thank you and over to you .
Speaker #4: Thank you for joining the call . Presenting today are Alan Gold , Executive chairman , Paul Smithers , president and chief executive officer .
Speaker #4: David Smith , chief financial officer . And Ben Regan , chief investment officer . Before we begin , I'd like to remind everyone that statements made during today's conference call may be deemed forward looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor of the private securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and actual results may differ materially due to a variety of risks , uncertainties and other factors .
Speaker #4: Please refer to the documents filed by the company with the SEC . Specifically , the most recent reports on form 10-K and 10-q , which identify important risk factors that could cause actual results to differ from those contained in the forward looking statements .
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Speaker #4: In addition , on today's call , we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial information such as FFO , normalized FFO , and Fifo . You can find this information together with reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure in our earnings release issued yesterday , as well as in our 8-K filed with the SEC .
Speaker #4: I'll now hand the call over to Alan . Alan .
Speaker #5: Thanks , Eli . Good morning , and thank you for joining our call in the third quarter . We completed our initial investment into Ikc , a Premier life science real estate platform that enhanced the diversification of the company and is expected to provide significant earnings accretion for the benefit of IIP shareholders .
Speaker #5: The total investment was $105 million, including $100 million into a revolving credit facility and $5 million in preferred stock. Our remaining commitment of $165 million in preferred stock is expected to be funded in multiple tranches through the second quarter of 2027.
Speaker #5: In conjunction with this investment, we successfully closed on a new $100 million secured revolving credit facility to support our investment into Ikc and further strengthen our balance sheet.
Speaker #5: We were very pleased with the support of our largest lender in providing this facility , which we believe reflects continued confidence in our platform , balance sheet and disciplined approach to growth and capital allocation .
Speaker #5: These transactions mark a significant step in our evolution and our return to growth as we diversify our portfolio beyond cannabis into the dynamic life science sector .
Speaker #5: We have strong conviction in the long term fundamentals driving this industry , and we believe this strategic investment at this entry point positions us to deliver highly accretive returns to our shareholders .
Speaker #5: We believe in the value of our diversified portfolio across both cannabis and life science , and the ability of our team to strengthen our platform and create long term value for our shareholders .
Speaker #5: Now with that , I'll turn the call over to Paul . Paul .
Speaker #6: Thanks , Alan . And welcome , everyone . Our investment in Ikc , together with the new credit facility , marks a meaningful step forward in executing on our strategy to return to growth .
Speaker #6: While further diversifying and strengthening our portfolio . Expanding into life sciences positions us to capture long term secular growth while complementing our established leadership in the regulated cannabis real estate market .
Speaker #6: We continue to actively maximize the value of our assets to drive growth and optimize performance , while at the same time , our investment in Ikc provides an additional avenue for future growth .
Speaker #6: We believe this dual track strategy will significantly enhance shareholder value and position . IIP for sustained success across both industries . I'd like to provide a few specific updates on our progress within our portfolio .
Speaker #6: Receivership proceedings for forefront Ventures are ongoing . We are engaged with the US receiver and bankruptcy trustee regarding the properties and related claims , and are working closely with outside counsel to protect our legal interests and pursue our rights under the leases .
Speaker #6: Gold floor remains in receivership . We remain in ongoing discussions with the receiver regarding the receivership and sale process . We will continue to monitor developments and provide updates as appropriate .
Speaker #6: With respect to Pharmacann , we are pleased to report that the judge in Illinois ruled in our favor in our dispute with Pharmacann , and we expect to regain possession of our Illinois property by year end .
Speaker #6: Our efforts to also regain control of the properties located in New York , Ohio and Pennsylvania remain top priority . We continue to work closely with local counsel to pursue our rights and remedies under the leases , and related guarantees , including monetary claims .
Speaker #6: Because timing varies by state and depends on local jurisdictions . We are unable to provide a specific timeline at the moment . We remain focused on advancing these processes as efficiently as possible , and will provide updates as developments occur .
Speaker #6: In September , we took back possession and control of the four California properties , previously securing a loan totaled at $16.1 million , which we declared in default , and our evaluating options to maximize the value of these assets .
Speaker #6: Turning to federal developments impacting the cannabis industry, recent commentary from President Trump has reaffirmed that cannabis reform remains a priority at the federal level.
Speaker #6: His endorsement of medical cannabinoids , particularly for senior citizens , alongside references to the potential $64 billion in healthcare savings , signals growing political momentum for rescheduling cannabis to schedule three , eliminating the burdensome 280 tax for operators .
Speaker #6: We believe this shift will be a positive catalyst for the industry , unlocking broader access to capital and accelerating institutional participation that we remain cautious on the likelihood and timing .
Speaker #6: We also see compelling demographic trends that reinforce the long term opportunity in cannabis . Seniors by currently underrepresented among cannabis users , are the fastest growing consumer segment , with usage growing at a 9% five year compounded annual growth rate , triple the rate of the broader adult population .
Speaker #6: Importantly , this cohort is more likely to rely on physician recommendations and rescheduling could ease barriers for doctors to prescribe cannabis for conditions like pain , arthritis and sleep disorders .
Speaker #6: Accounting for 35% of total drug spending, we believe increased adoption by seniors could drive meaningful, incremental revenue for the industry and further validate cannabis as a mainstream therapeutic option.
Speaker #6: Finally , we are also pleased to share a significant legal update . Last month , the US Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit unanimously affirmed the district court's dismissal of the federal securities class action brought against Iapp and certain of our officers and directors .
Speaker #6: While we disagreed with the arguments of this class action since the very beginning, it is great to see our views validated by the courts.
Speaker #6: This outcome allows us to continue focusing on executing our strategy and delivering long term value to our shareholders . I'd like to now turn the call over to Ben to discuss our leasing disposition and investment activity .
Speaker #6: Ben . Thanks , Paul . Within our cannabis portfolio , we've executed leases totaling 281,000ft² .
Speaker #7: Year to date across properties located in California and Michigan and taking advantage of capital recycling opportunities by selling two assets . We're also closely monitoring the situations with our tenants that Paul described and are encouraged by the strong demand for our real estate , and look forward to sharing additional updates in the future .
Speaker #7: Turning to IIP, we're very excited about our return to growth. We closed on our initial $105 million investment, with additional commitments of $165 million expected to be funded over time.
Speaker #7: We expect this investment to be highly accretive and positions us to capitalize on secular tailwinds . Just last month , Lila Sciences and AI biotech company leased 244,000ft² across two buildings at Icbc's Alewife Park Asset in Cambridge , Massachusetts .
Speaker #7: The transaction represents one of the largest leases in the region since the beginning of the year , and underscores the improving leasing momentum for Iqc and continued demand for premier real estate assets .
Speaker #7: Overall , global spending on AI and pharma and biotech is projected to reach $3 billion in 2025 and $16.5 billion by 2034 , reflecting a 27% CAGR .
Speaker #7: The use of AI can accelerate drug discovery and innovation , resulting in an associated increase in real estate needs , according to Cushman and Wakefield .
Speaker #7: We believe the Iqc portfolio , located in key AI and life science hubs in San Diego , San Francisco and Boston , is well positioned to capitalize on these trends .
Speaker #7: And within our investment pipeline , we will continue to selectively pursue assets in the cannabis and life science industries , focusing on the highest quality investments with the most attractive risk adjusted returns for our shareholders .
Speaker #7: I'll now turn the call over to David.
Speaker #8: Thank you . Ben . For the third quarter , we generated total revenues of 64.7 million , a 3% increase compared to the prior quarter .
Speaker #8: This increase was primarily due to a payment of 0.8 million . We received from the gold floor receivership , along with annual rent escalations in our portfolio .
Speaker #8: Adjusted funds from operations for the quarter totaled $48.3 million, or $1.71 per share, representing no change from the second quarter results.
Speaker #8: Our balance sheet remains strong , supported by a 2.7 billion in primarily unencumbered gross assets and a low leveraged capital structure . We ended the quarter with nearly 80 million in liquidity , including cash on hand and availability .
Speaker #8: Under our credit facility . As Paul and Alan noted earlier , subsequent to quarter end , we secured a second revolver with a federally regulated bank for 100 million , reflecting our view that as we diversify into a new sector , it should increase Iips access to attractively priced bank financing .
Speaker #8: The new revolving credit facility , secured by our Iqc investment was structured at favorable terms of Sofr plus 200 basis points , or 6.1% , on the closing date of the facility and includes an accordion feature that could expand capacity to 135 million , subject to additional bank commitments .
Speaker #8: This facility , combined with our low leverage capital structure and strong liquidity , ensures we have ample flexibility to fund future growth . Our investment in Iqc is expected to be highly accretive with a blended interest rate exceeding 14% , or roughly 800 basis points higher than the current pricing on the new credit facility , and aligns with our commitment to delivering strong risk adjusted returns for our shareholders .
Speaker #8: As always , we remain focused on maintaining a conservative financial profile while pursuing strategic opportunities that drive long term value , highlighted by a low debt to gross assets ratio of 13% and a robust debt service coverage ratio exceeding 11 times on the capital markets front , during the quarter , we opportunistically issued 246,000 shares of our preferred stock for total net proceeds of 5.9 million .
Speaker #8: Looking ahead, we are actively evaluating our capital structure and having ongoing discussions regarding our bonds maturing next year to proactively address this maturity in the near term.
Speaker #8: We will continue to explore a range of strategic financing alternatives that align with our long-term growth objectives and conservative financial philosophy. With that, we thank you for joining the call, and we'd like to open up the call for questions.
Speaker #8: Operator, could you please open up the call for questions?
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Speaker #3: Please press star and two. At this time, you will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. We have the first question from the line of Tom Catherwood from BTIG.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead .
Speaker #9: Thank you , and good morning , everybody . I wanted to start with a dividend question , but from a different perspective . So the way we see it , there are two near-term catalysts that can help bridge the gap from the dollar $0.71 per share of AFFO that you did in Q3 to the $1.90 of quarterly dividend .
Speaker #9: The first is , is you guys spoken about the Iqc investment , which we think kind of conservatively can contribute , let's call it $0.11 per share on a cash basis when it's fully deployed .
Speaker #9: And the second is you're signed but not commenced backfill leases. We think those can contribute something in the range of $0.11 to $0.15 a share per quarter.
Speaker #9: So, regarding that second bucket, what are your expectations for the timing of rent commencements at your released assets? And how does that timing factor into the company's dividend policy?
Speaker #10: Well , I mean , so I'm not sure that I follow your math . Exactly . I mean , I think I think we might be a little bit have a little bit different perspective on the Icdc investment , but we'll take that offline and deal with that .
Speaker #10: Separately . As to the timing of the rent commencements on . Unleased assets or assets that are we're going to be getting back keeping keeping in mind that the goal for assets is going through a receivership in which the receiver , as Paul has mentioned , there's has .
Speaker #10: Has awarded the opportunity to an entity that would be closing on the transaction and then paying rent on the facilities that it intends to use, leaving the remaining, if there are any remaining assets, for us available to release.
Speaker #10: And we believe the timing on receiving income on that would be rather quickly, given the level of interest that we've seen from those assets in that portfolio.
Speaker #10: As to and as to gold or as to forefront once again , going through a receivership and with the intent of seeking a buyer to purchase the the entity and then continue , continue forward .
Speaker #10: We think once that is completed, the revenue would be immediate or very quickly after the completion of the receivership, which would be another.
Speaker #10: Paul , what would you estimate .
Speaker #6: On the forefront? It could be another 3 to 9 months.
Speaker #10: And then and then on Pharmacann we've which is I think , just a positive statement on the on the industry in general . We're seeing continued interest and increasing interest on those specific assets and in the individual states .
Speaker #10: And while we're pleased to be getting through the legal side of the Illinois transaction , we believe that there is there is interest from interested parties to take over that take over that facility .
Speaker #10: We've just been stymied because of the courts to be engaging those with those those players . And now with the positive reaction from the court to our pleadings , we we believe that we'll have significant interest and be able to get revenue starting in the 6 to 9 month time frame .
Speaker #9: Okay. Got it. Okay.
Speaker #10: So, I’m sorry. Let me let Paul finish with.
Speaker #6: Yeah . Just some additional thoughts . Tom I think , you know , as far as the litigation , I think we're you know , we're in the fourth quarter of getting some resolution took takes a long time in these various jurisdictions to get a trial date .
Speaker #6: And as we reported, we had a favorable outcome in Illinois. You know, I think Pennsylvania and Ohio will be next in line.
Speaker #6: By either a trial or summary judgment . And at some point , New York , after that . So we are getting close .
Speaker #6: Much closer to resolution of those matters . And I also want to add that , you know , in the bankruptcy cases involving forefront and gold flora are back rent and rent owed to us is considered an administrative claim in the receivership process .
Speaker #6: So once the receivership is concluded , we should receive significant funds by way of administrative claim . And again , you know , that is , you know , gold flora is sooner than forefront .
Speaker #6: But we'll continue to report on on the timing on those .
Speaker #9: That's great. So, that was really helpful. And just to add to that, there are a couple of other leases that you've signed since the end of 2023.
Speaker #9: So these are like the releasing you did with mitten extracts or loom cannabis . Try Mountain Pure and Berry Green . All , all the backfills that were already done for that run rate that you had this quarter , that 171 .
Speaker #9: How many of those leases have commenced in that run rate this quarter, and how many are still left to commence in the near term?
Speaker #11: Hey , Tom , this is Ben . Yeah , I think it pretty minimal for the third quarter . I think just as a general statement , you know , when we sign a lease , there's there's sometimes a licensing process , you know , ramp up of operations kind of various things that that impact when that revenue starts .
Speaker #11: But just to echo what Alan and Paul said, I think we've been very pleased with the leasing success. We're very optimistic about the demand.
Speaker #11: We're seeing really significant delays across all assets that are going through the various kinds of legal processes. So timing is a little more difficult to peg.
Speaker #11: But, you know, again, I am very encouraged by the demand that we're seeing really across the portfolio.
Speaker #9: Okay . But just to clarify , Ben , so so those ones that I mentioned , the ones that you had backfilled over the past two years , those you said it was a de minimis contribution to three cu .
Speaker #9: So there's still more of that to roll in. Is that correct?
Speaker #12: Yeah , I mean Tom on on that side there , there was a slight benefit , but I would say de minimis this quarter as those as those leases come online and ramp up .
Speaker #10: And to ramp up, ramp up in the fourth quarter and beyond.
Speaker #9: Perfect . Perfect . All right . And then the last one for me , in terms of the balance sheet , as we think through sources and uses over the next six months , you obviously in the prepared remarks , the new $100 million revolver , which kind of can continue to support your your ongoing investment in IC HQ for the unsecured bonds that mature in May .
Speaker #9: What are the specific options or kind of kind of avenues that you're currently pursuing ? And what is your expectation in terms of timing and getting to a resolution on those ?
Speaker #10: Well , I mean , I think the the options are very clear . We either going to refinance them or we're going to refinance them .
Speaker #10: I think that's what we're looking at as our options right now. We believe that we have a very strong and affirmed rating from Egan-Jones.
Speaker #10: And continue to believe that we have a very , very strong balance sheet . One of the strongest in , in , in retail and and we believe that investors will recognize the the strength of our balance sheet and the fact that we have , you know , executed on our on our promise to pay on the bonds for the last four and a half or 4.3 years .
Speaker #10: And and we believe we have sufficient time to work through the refinancing as they as they become due next year . And the earliest that they become .
Speaker #10: Repayable , I believe , is in the is in the first quarter .
Speaker #12: Correct ? Yeah .
Speaker #9: Okay, so that's perfect timing-wise. We should just kind of expect to see to get to the end of that process in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #9: Six . Correct .
Speaker #10: That is that is a that is the plan that we have on the table today .
Speaker #9: Perfect. That's it for me. Thanks, everyone.
Speaker #6: Thanks , John .
Speaker #3: Thank you . We have the next question from the line of Aaron Grey from Alliance Global Partners . Please go ahead .
Speaker #13: Hi . Thank you for the questions . So first one for me just on potential impact of rescheduling . I know it's been talked about in the past .
Speaker #13: I just wanted to revisit again because, in terms of direct impact, it would seem, you know, better cash and stabilizing your existing base of tenants.
Speaker #13: So, maybe there's less worry about incremental defaults. But how do you think about potential opportunities for growth and more uses? You know, for acquisitions and new tenants?
Speaker #13: Is it less so dependent on rescheduling and more so dependent on additional states coming online ? Just want to give your broader , you know , outlook on cannabis , given , you know , the supply and demand that we've seen in a lot of the existing states , the appetite that you're seeing for potential additional cultivation , or if that's more so , dependent on new states versus rescheduling there .
Speaker #13: Thank you .
Speaker #10: Yeah . No , I think as we we alluded to earlier in our comments that we're really seeing some really , you know , positive interest in our facilities that we have in the States where we do have facilities .
Speaker #10: So we're seeing continued interest by the by . The existing growers in those , in those states who have , you know , maybe survived or as you want to say , we think the the consolidation phase of that market , of this market of the cannabis industry seems to have have worked .
Speaker #10: It's worked through the majority of that consolidation and that the , the most efficient and the efficient growers and companies in that industry have survived and are continuing to to look to consolidate , to .
Speaker #10: I consolidate , but grow their their focus in the individual states that they're they're in . So we're seeing that that positive green shoot .
Speaker #10: Up there without without the rescheduling occurring . And and we believe that that will continue to build over time . And as it builds over time , we are absolutely best positioned to take advantage of of any new demand for the sale leaseback program that we continue to to offer to the market .
Speaker #10: And to use our capital to , to , for , for the benefit of our shareholders . Now , you know , Paul , I mean , do you want to add anything to with regards to the rescheduling and what you think , how the impact might be for our tenants ?
Speaker #6: Sure . So , you know , I think we've earned in the past discussed , you know , the what rescheduling would look like and how that helps .
Speaker #6: And I think you identified it that I think the , the first real impact is really improving the credit of , of the operators .
Speaker #6: You know , they have just much more free cash to use . So that improves their credit . As far as our tenant base , but also gives them the opportunity to use that cash to expand .
Speaker #6: And, you know, so much of our development is our operators expanding the existing facilities, coming to us for additional investment.
Speaker #6: So we think that's certainly a possibility or likelihood . I think with rescheduling and as we noted in our remarks , that there is , you know , this kind of up and down enthusiasm about rescheduling , we're now we're in a place where some really positive comments have come out of the white House , both by the president and the president's staff .
Speaker #6: That said , we expect a resolution on rescheduling by the end of this year , which means , what , two months now ?
Speaker #6: So we are anxiously awaiting and we do believe that it makes sense for the president to get ahead of this issue politically.
Speaker #6: And he is motivated that way. His comments about CBD usage for the elderly and things of that nature that he's posted really give a lot of momentum to having some resolution.
Speaker #6: We think it would be a positive resolution on rescheduling, hopefully by the end of the year.
Speaker #13: Really appreciate that color . That was helpful . There . So then in the near term , right . So before we see rescheduling , you talked about potential opportunities for both life sciences and as well as cannabis .
Speaker #13: How should we think about prioritizing in the near term? And given your current liquidity position, do you believe the life sciences sector offers more near-term opportunities?
Speaker #13: You know, given what we just saw with Iqueue and the rate you're going on the revolver, was that assuming that's related to, obviously, it's related to IQ and a much better rate than you had from the other revolver related to the cannabis.
Speaker #13: So does absent rescheduling , do you see more opportunities in the life sciences for the near term , or do you still see even asset rescheduling , you know , equal opportunity within both ?
Speaker #13: Thank you .
Speaker #10: Yeah . No , I think we're we are highly focused on on the cannabis industry making sure that we are are supporting our our tenant partners as best we can .
Speaker #10: And we believe that that that's our primary focus . Secondarily , do I think that there are more you know , double digit plus , you know , yield opportunities in the in the life science industry , you know , we are constantly looking at that .
Speaker #10: But I think that that's a that was a very unique opportunity that we were able to capitalize based on our expertise and and , and knowledge and , and we will continue to look at that .
Speaker #10: But I think our primary focus will remain in the cannabis industry .
Speaker #13: Okay . Great . Thanks for the color . I'll jump back in the queue .
Speaker #6: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Thank you . We have the next question from the line of Bill Kirk from Roth Capital Partners . Please go ahead .
Speaker #14: Thank you . Everybody . So the the press release mentioned , I think a few new names where you're collecting security deposits . One was named , the other is unnamed in Sacramento .
Speaker #14: Can you give us a sense of size on those? What do you expect the outcome to be? And were those two identified when you went through that tenant health work that you did earlier in the year?
Speaker #10: Yes , we we with one there are less than 1% of our of our revenue . And , and we've we're monitoring all of our tenants and we we did we .
Speaker #10: Spent time with those tenants and understood what what was going on in the with them . Ben do you have any color associated with those , those two tenants or anything you want to add to that ?
Speaker #11: Yeah , I would just add so those were two tenants in California , and I think this is a theme maybe we've seen in many markets where the growth and expansion of the efficient operators and the demand that we're seeing for these facilities , along with some of the other vacancies that we've that we've taken back , really reflects the consolidation that we're seeing play out in the industry and the less efficient operators moving out and the more efficient operators continuing to grow their platforms within these individual markets .
Speaker #11: I feel very good about the quality of those assets , along with the rest of our portfolio , which I think is reflected again in the amount of interest that we're seeing really across the board .
Speaker #14: Thank you . And with the the additional square footage , at least at iqc with Biosciences , what does that take occupancy to at Iqc and ultimately , where do you where do you expect occupancy to go ?
Speaker #14: Maybe. How long does it take to get there, and what capital do you think is required to get that occupancy rate up further?
Speaker #10: Well , I mean , I think that's , you know , IQ HQ is a private organization that's really their for for them from our perspective , what we what we can say is that , that occupancy level approaches , that 2,425% level and that we certainly hope that they can take occupancy up to , you know , the 90 , you plus percent range in the next , I don't know , I guess 18 to 24 months .
Speaker #14: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #3: Thank you . We have the next question from the line of Alexander Goldfarb from Piper Sandler . Please go ahead .
Speaker #15: Hey , good morning out there . So just big picture . I think at the end of last year , you had like 24 , 27% of ABR .
Speaker #15: That was in default. It sounds like you signed some new leases, and it sounds like you signed some backfills. You're working on some resolution and receivership, but there were some new tenants, including the $16 million loan that went bad.
Speaker #15: So net as a percent of ABR , where do we now stand as far as percent of ABR ? That's not rent paying .
Speaker #15: I'm not saying occupying space , but not rent . I'm talking how much ? ABR is still not rent paying , you know .
Speaker #15: Where do we stand now?
Speaker #12: I in Alex , obviously , since since we announced that last December . I mean some things have moved around too . We've taken some properties back from Pharmacann , but from a overall ABR collection , there's roughly 20% .
Speaker #15: Okay , so David , so we're now at we were 27 . We're now 20 . And that 20 includes the impact of the latest tenants in the third quarter and the $16 million loan .
Speaker #12: That's correct . Keep in mind , you know , as Alan mentioned before , those two tenants during the quarter were very small .
Speaker #12: You know , 1% . So kind of immaterial to the overall portfolio . But you're roughly correct .
Speaker #15: Okay . That's cool . That's cool . And then on the you know , I obviously we all appreciate your background in in life science , Alan , you co-founded , you know , and were there through December at Iqc , you know , and there's a deep history .
Speaker #15: But you look at both industries , you know , cannabis there's still issues going on . Tenants having struggles . You know , the Alexandria , the only pure play , you know , right out there in life .
Speaker #15: Science still has issues . Bxp talks about life science issues . So we understand the quality of the balance sheet . Now . But it definitely seems like there capital , potential capital needs for both cannabis and you know , if something happens senior to you at Iqc and you have to defend your position there to defend your stake .
Speaker #15: So how like I still it's still unclear . Like the the risk of going into iqc just given life sciences not out of the woods like I would get it if things were blowing and going and you know , a lot of activity was going on in that space , but it still seems like it's pretty troubled .
Speaker #15: So just how do we balance the capital needs of both industries when even in cannabis , you're still having some tenant issues ?
Speaker #10: Yeah . I mean , I think first of all , we didn't make the investment so that we would have to defend the investment .
Speaker #10: We made the investment such , such that we were in a very strong credit position and the only , the only it's the common shareholders at Iqc and or the , the other investors who have to really defend and really are focused on defending that business .
Speaker #10: So that's not our that's not our role or our responsibility . Number one . Number two is we maintain a very strong balance sheet , a very conservative balance sheet that allows us as we've just proven , that , to be able to get additional credit from our bank group and at a very attractive yield .
Speaker #10: So we think we still have that . And continue to have great access to a variety of capital sources . Yeah . Number three is that I know you guys want to , you know , you want and you know , the companies to only invest when , when it's absolutely clear that that the gold ring is right in front of them .
Speaker #10: And they can easily grab it . But our job is to do is to , to try to look around the corner , to try to look for unique investment opportunities .
Speaker #10: And that provide attractive , accretive returns to our shareholders . And we've done just that . And if you if you if in three years or four years , you come back on the call and you want to ask about how iqc and that investment went , you know , I'll be happy to , you know , to report exactly how that investment went .
Speaker #15: Okay . And just the final question is Paul , over the years , you know , there have been a lot of hopeful things happening in cannabis that , you know , this measure , this state legalizing or this rescheduling , and , you know , that would almost be like the panacea .
Speaker #15: Like now the sector would catch, you know, catch attraction, obviously. I appreciate your comments on giving us an update on what's going on with the rescheduling.
Speaker #15: The , the , you know , eagerness of seniors to adopt cannabis . But , you know , every time that we've heard positive stuff before , it hasn't jumpstarted the industry .
Speaker #15: So is your view that these positives could jumpstart the industry or your view is , hey , these are positives that are out there , but there's still the issue of the gray market .
Speaker #15: There's still the issue of the black market . You know , there's still all those other I guess I'm just trying to understand should we get excited that there's good stuff coming or it's like , hey , these are positives , but there's still a lot of negatives that the industry is still , you know , dealing with , namely the gray market and the black market .
Speaker #6: Yeah , yeah . And you know , obviously rescheduling doesn't make the black market go away . Those are two separate things that need to be separately addressed with rescheduling .
Speaker #6: I think that will be a huge shot in the arm for the industry for the reasons we've discussed in great detail. At the same time, I think we've seen some real positive movement on a state-by-state basis, combating the black market.
Speaker #6: It's not fixed by any means, but it's getting much more attention. I think in the larger states, you've seen California, Massachusetts, and Michigan especially, and some really significant in New York.
Speaker #6: Now , I think about it , some real significant movement in in curtailing the black market grows . But also the gray market , retail .
Speaker #6: And I know you and I have discussed this in New York . The actual physical lockouts of the retail . So .
Speaker #15: Yes , yes .
Speaker #6: Going in the right direction on that.
Speaker #15: Okay . Great . Thank you . Thank you Paul . Thank you Alan .
Speaker #6: All right . Thank you Alex .
Speaker #3: Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back to Alan Gold for any closing remarks.
Speaker #10: Thank you . And I thank you all for joining us today . Again . I'd love I'd like to thank our our team for the heart and good work that they've done .
Speaker #10: And with that, we conclude the call.