Q3 2025 Ascent Industries Co Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Good afternoon and welcome to Ascent Industries Co Q3 2025 Earnings Call . Today's speakers are CEO Brian Kitchen , CFO Ryan Kavalauskas and the company's outside investor relations adviser , Ralf Esper .
Speaker #2: We will begin with prepared remarks followed by Q&A . Before we go further , I would like to turn the call over to Ralf Esper as he reads the company's safe harbor statement within the meaning of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that provides important cautions regarding forward looking statements .
Speaker #2: Ralph . .
Speaker #3: Thanks , Dana . Before we continue , I would like to remind all participants that the discussion today may contain certain forward looking statements pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Federal securities laws .
Speaker #3: These statements are based on information currently available to us and are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially .
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Speaker #3: The company has reconciled these amounts back to the closest GAAP based measurement . Reconciliations can be found in the earnings press release issued earlier today and posted on the investor section of the company's website at Cocom .
Speaker #3: Please note that this call is available for replay via webcast link that is also posted on the investor section of the company's website .
Speaker #3: Now , I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO , Brian Kitchen , to walk you through the third quarter results .
Speaker #3: Brian . 1615 .
Speaker #4: Thanks , Revenue grew 6% sequentially to 19.7 million . Gross profit rose 20% to 5.8 million , lifting margins 400 basis points to 30% .
Speaker #4: Ralph . Q3 was a breakout quarter for ascent . The strongest earnings performance we've delivered since 2022 . And our first full quarter operating as a pure play specialty chemical company .
Speaker #4: Adjusted EBITDA improved by more than 1.7 million quarter over quarter , swinging from a modest loss to a 7% positive margin as a subsequent event to this quarter .
Speaker #4: These gains are an episodic . They're structural . They reflect disciplined execution , strategic focus and a business model that's working . Over the past six quarters , we've tightened cost structures , optimized mix and build price and margin discipline across every part of our organization .
Speaker #4: Those moves are now showing up directly in profitability with gross margin improvement tracking ahead of plan . As I've said before , the market didn't do it to us .
Speaker #4: And it's not going to fix our performance for us . We own our outcomes every game we deliver comes from relentless self-help and execution , and that's what's driving the structural earnings power of this platform .
Speaker #4: We've strengthened the foundation this quarter with successful implementation of our new ERP system on time , on budget and without disruption . It delivers a single source of and the visibility to manage growth at speed .
Speaker #4: Our team turned what's often an enterprise crippling endeavor into an enabler of scale , control and customer responsiveness . Simply put , ascent has moved well past stabilization to acceleration .
Speaker #4: Our commercial engine is gaining speed . Customer relationships are deepening , and our pipeline is converting at exceptional levels . This is the inflection point we're stabilization meets commercial momentum and where we begin to unleash our fullest earnings growth potential in Q3 .
Speaker #4: We welcomed ten customers across our sites for audits , trials and joint development workshops . That kind of engagement doesn't happen by chance .
Speaker #4: It's a direct reflection of trust and the capability that we've been building when customers visit , they meet our operators , our engineers , our chemists , our quality professionals and service teams that drive our success .
Speaker #4: And they see firsthand what makes a cent different . This is our chemicals as a service model . In action . Agile , customer centric and outcome driven .
Speaker #4: We meet customers where they are , helping them solve real world problems faster , with less friction and more flexibility . And that approach is translating to results .
Speaker #4: Last quarter , I shared that we added roughly $25 million of new projects in Q2 . By the end of Q3 , nearly half or 49% had converted into customer commitments .
Speaker #4: That's an incredible success rate and a clear validation of our model and our execution . About 65% of those commitments were related to custom manufacturing opportunities , and 35% were product sales .
Speaker #4: Long term , high value relationships and key segments like case infrastructure and water treatment . They represent repeat trust based partnerships that deepen our customer relevance and extend the durability of our growth .
Speaker #4: Of course , the CEO wants all of those commitments to turn into purchase orders and shipments tomorrow morning . And yes , our sales and operations team get more than a few calls for me checking in on exactly that .
Speaker #4: But we know that implementation timelines vary . We know the customers are qualifying new technologies . They're rewiring their supply chains , and they're working down inventory .
Speaker #4: What matters is the direction is unmistakable . The commercial flywheel is turning and the earnings leverage is building . And that momentum continues to grow .
Speaker #4: In Q3 . We added another $18.2 million of selling projects into our pipeline , extending a robust base that will fuel growth well into 2026 .
Speaker #4: Over the past six quarters , Ryan and I have emphasized this strategic recapitalization of SG&A , rebuilding the commercial and technical engine that drives our growth .
Speaker #4: Those delivered investments and sales , marketing and revenue operations have reshaped our go to market capability and are directly reflected in the record pipeline activity and customer engagement that we're seeing today .
Speaker #4: Now we're extending that focus to R&D , making targeted investments in people and capabilities that accelerate product and process development , shorten scale up cycles and strengthen our technical differentiation .
Speaker #4: These investments are already delivering results through new chemistries , improved manufacturability and deeper integration with our customers . Innovation pipelines . What gives us confidence in this next phase is the strength of our operating platform , our quality and service have never been stronger across every site .
Speaker #4: Teams are debottlenecking processes, boosting reliability, and grinding out waste with incredible urgency. That discipline is the backbone of our margin expansion story, and it allows us to grow efficiently, protect profitability, and deliver for customers in any environment.
Speaker #4: Every investment we make , whether in people , processes or technology , is deliberate and return driven . Self-Help and ascent means disciplined capital use , sharper execution and improvements that compound into lasting earnings , power .
Speaker #4: Our priorities are clear drive organic growth by filling our available capacity with high margin opportunities . Deepen customer partnerships through innovation , reliability and speed , and maintain balance sheet strength and disciplined capital allocation to accelerate earnings growth .
Speaker #4: We're not waiting for the market to recover . We're creating our own . As soon as stronger , faster and laser focused , and we're building a company to perform in any environment .
Speaker #4: Our culture is turning execution into endurance . And endurance into compounding value . The numbers tell the story , but are people write it to the entire team at ascent .
Speaker #4: Your grit , hustle , and ownership are what make this possible . You are our unfair advantage . Our foundation is solid . The distractions are nearly gone and the flywheel momentum is accelerating .
Speaker #4: And the best part is, we're just getting started. With that, I'll turn it over to Ryan to walk through our financial results in more detail.
Speaker #4: Ryan .
Speaker #5: Thanks , Brian , and good afternoon , everyone . I'll start by echoing Brian's earlier comments from an operational perspective , the transition to a pure play specialty chemical platform is complete for now .
Speaker #5: Zeroed in on structural margin improvement capacity and throughput . Lift and durable growth in target segments . Let me walk through the quarter and how that translated to our results .
Speaker #5: Revenue from continuing operations was 19.7 million , down 6% versus the third quarter of last year . But importantly , up nearly 6% sequentially from Q2 .
Speaker #5: The modest contraction in revenue was driven primarily by a low single digit percentage decline in volume , which created the bulk of the shortfall .
Speaker #5: Pricing was a partial tailwind , reflecting selective increases and product mix contributed incrementally . Positive gains as higher value programs continue to scale , though not yet at the level needed to fully offset the volume impact .
Speaker #5: In other words , while demand softness weighed on shipped pounds , pricing discipline and ongoing portfolio upgrading help cushion the impact . Reinforcing that the earnings profile of the business continues to strengthen even in a softer volume environment .
Speaker #5: The evidence of that stronger earnings profile can be seen in gross profit , increasing to 5.8 million , with gross margins expanding to 29.7% , up from 26.1% in Q2 and just 14.4% in the prior year period .
Speaker #5: For those tracking our progression , Q1 gross margin was 17.2% . Q2 was 26.1% , and Q3 is now 29.7% . We have said publicly that 30% was our gross margin target as utilization improves across our network and we layer operating leverage .
Speaker #5: We rebuilt earnings base . We now believe meaningful upside above 30% is achievable on a sustained basis with the right execution moving to SG&A , expenses were 6.3 million , compared to 5 million in the prior year period .
Speaker #5: About half a million of the current quarter's SG&A was tied to residual divestiture and legacy segment activity , partially offset by other income .
Speaker #5: As Brian alluded to , we view the modest increase as part of the foundational investments we've been talking about each quarter that ultimately scales and drives growth .
Speaker #5: With that foundation beginning to produce results , you're beginning to see the earnings power of the business more clearly . Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was 1.4 million , an increase of 2.1 million year over year .
Speaker #5: Excluding the legacy divestiture noise . Adjusted EBITDA would have been 1.6 million . Turning to the balance sheet , we ended the quarter with $58 million of cash , no debt and 13.7 million of incremental availability under our revolver .
Speaker #5: That is a position of strength and one we intend to preserve . M&A still remains part of our long term capital allocation strategy .
Speaker #5: But as we've evaluated what's in market today compared to returns on internal growth , we've been very comfortable being patient . We said before , and I'll say it again , we won't deploy capital simply for the sake of activity .
Speaker #5: Our capital priorities remain clear and consistent . Protect the balance sheet , prioritize free cash flow and deploy only when the returns are undeniable and when the right opportunity comes .
Speaker #5: Whether internal or external , it will compound value over years , not just quarters . The work of the past 18 months stabilizing operations , rebuilding talent , exiting distractions , sharpening commercial focus doesn't always show up in a single quarter , but it shows up in trajectory .
Speaker #5: Three straight quarters of margin expansion , stronger commercial wins , all with meaningful capital and capacity still ahead of us . That's why we're confident in where the business is heading .
Speaker #5: With that, I'll turn it back over to the operator for questions. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you . At this time , we will conduct our question and answer session . As a reminder to ask a question , you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced .
Speaker #2: To withdraw your question , please press star one one again . Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster . Our first question comes from the line of Greg Kit with Pinnacle Fund .
Speaker #2: Your line is now open .
Speaker #6: Hi Brian and Ryan , congratulations on a great quarter .
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Speaker #6: Can you help me make sure I understood correctly ? You said that you added $25 million of new projects in Q2 , and that 49% converted into customer commitments .
Speaker #6: So does that mean that you won approximately $12.5 million of new business in Q3 ?
Speaker #4: That's correct . So that 25 million was in reference to the pipeline that was built up in Q3 in Q2 , in Q3 , we won roughly half of that business opportunity .
Speaker #4: So as I mentioned earlier , you know , from a phasing standpoint , that will be feathered in over time , we're looking forward to that kind of full run rate clip as we get into 2026 .
Speaker #6: Okay . Thank you . Brian . And when I think about that win rate or that conversion rate , I think in the past on the Q2 call , you talked about 14% being more like industry average .
Speaker #6: You had 18% in Q two . So you were batting , you know , batting above average in Q2 . And obviously 49% is excellent .
Speaker #6: Is there some is there some reason why your conversion rate or your win rate was so high in Q3 ? Can you give me some color ?
Speaker #4: I mean , I really think it gets back to the health of the projects that are making their way into the selling project pipeline .
Speaker #4: So it kind of rules of engagement , right ? Nothing goes into our pipeline that we that we can't make . Right . So either we've made the product before or we know that we have the capabilities to manufacture it .
Speaker #4: Underpinning both of those things , though , is a specific customer need . So in other words , there's an express requirement from a customer that is driving us to pursue that particular activity .
Speaker #4: So I think , you know , those things along with just improved execution is really the reason why we were pretty successful in the third quarter .
Speaker #4: So proud of what the team has done . And in Q3 and looking forward to continuing to inch that , inch that up over time .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Is there a way to think about how much of that business is from existing customers versus new ? I think that prior couple of quarters , you tried to help give some color around that .
Speaker #4: Yeah , it was in the last quarter . So that was about 50 , over 50 , 50% custom manufacturing or sorry , 50% existing customers , 50% customers .
Speaker #6: For for Q3 .
Speaker #4: Yeah , for the Q3 wins . That's right .
Speaker #6: Okay , great . Okay . Thank you . I'll hop back in the queue .
Speaker #4: All right . Thanks , Greg .
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Eric McCarthy with Enlight Capital . Your line is now open .
Speaker #7: Hey , Brian and Ryan , great quarter . It's really good to see the progress that you two have made in such a short while .
Speaker #7: As I'm looking through the new business that you've added to the funnel and then converted to converted to revenue , what are some of the end user markets that are really driving some of the new business ?
Speaker #4: Yeah , I think in this last quarter , if you think about in the context of that , $12.5 million of new business that we were awarded , certainly case .
Speaker #4: So coatings , adhesives , sealants , elastomers , water treatment and other infrastructure related applications , that was kind of the core . Certainly we gained in other areas like oil and gas .
Speaker #4: But those three are really the driving force behind our wins in the last quarter .
Speaker #7: And then more on the the big picture business side , when I look at the the structure of the board , many of the directors are more tied to the legacy business lines and some of even been actively selling the stock .
Speaker #7: What are the what are the organization's plans to maybe align the board more with the the future strategy and what we have in place now and maybe even getting someone like yourself on the board ?
Speaker #4: Yeah . Look , I appreciate the question . I think a similar question was , was thrown over the fence in our last earnings call .
Speaker #4: I mean , look , our board has been incredibly supportive of Ryan and I . When we came in the door last year , they have done exactly what they committed to do .
Speaker #4: So for that , we're eternally grateful . But you're right . I mean , as we kind of look forward to the evolution of the business and where we're going as a company , no longer do we have the tubular assets .
Speaker #4: We're a pure-play specialty chemical company, and the board is actually in the process of reimagining what that future board complement needs to look like moving forward.
Speaker #4: They've been kind enough to solicit to solicit my input and the input of others . So we're making progress . I think we'll have some information to share in the coming quarters .
Speaker #4: And yeah , that's the short story .
Speaker #7: Okay . That's that's great news . I guess in that same vein , you know , is there anything about what you're seeing in the landscape , both operationally and from a corporate perspective , that you know , is front of mind for you ?
Speaker #7: Is, you know, giving you any concern? Keeps you up at night?
Speaker #4: What keeps me up at night ? Ryan , I'll let you jump in on this one as well . I mean , I think for me , it's it's all about retention , right ?
Speaker #4: So , you know , you know , right . Transformations aren't easy done the right way . They're they're just world class hard .
Speaker #4: A lot of tough decisions , a lot of , a lot of late nights , crazy pace . So , you know , for for me , it's just making sure that we do everything in our power to retain the talent that has gotten us to this point .
Speaker #4: And that's going to take us that next phase in our in our transformational journey . So that's what keeps me up at night .
Speaker #4: Ryan .
Speaker #5: Yeah , I think , you know , as we we move into this next phase of growth and we're moving through and past the stabilization phase , it's how do we scale and how do we make those investments appropriately ?
Speaker #5: How do we do that with without diluting margins ? I think that that is really the next phase and challenge for us is , is how do we continue to make these gains when new business and scale the organization after we've kind of rightsized the cost structures in a lot of different places ?
Speaker #5: You know , challenge the team , stretch the team as much as we can . So that is really the focus . I think that is really our big challenge coming up is can we operationally execute in pace with the commercial team as they bring these wins in ?
Speaker #5: I think we're doing a good job today and we've got to keep going . And I think that's really our focus and really what I think if you had to say what keeps me up , it's how do we do that and how do we do that appropriately in the next few quarters ?
Speaker #7: All right . All right . Well , thank you again . Great job . And I look forward to seeing how it continues to evolve .
Speaker #4: Thanks , Eric .
Speaker #5: Thanks , Eric .
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Adam Waldo of Lismore Partners LLC . Your line is now open .
Speaker #8: Good day , Brian Ryan . Thank you very much for taking my questions . I hope you can hear me . Okay .
Speaker #4: We can .
Speaker #8: Great . Well , solid quarter and I wanted to probe and expand on Ryan's prepared remark comment a little bit about gross margin .
Speaker #8: I think Ryan articulated that you felt comfortable with the ability to sustain a 30% gross profit margin going forward on the pure-play business.
Speaker #8: Now that you've reached that stage of corporate development , is it fair to say that there may be some additional headroom beyond that on an intermediate term basis , to the extent that you're comfortable commenting on that ?
Speaker #5: I do , I don't think we're going to see kind of the rapid expansion of gross margins . We saw this year . We did a lot of work of purposely repositioning the product portfolio and really attacking costs .
Speaker #5: So I think for us , we got a lot of those gains early on here . I'd expect basis point improvements going forward .
Speaker #5: You know , as I just , alluded to , Eric , we we have to grow appropriately . And I think as we scale and find where the pain points are , we going to we are going to have to invest in people both at the operational level and the back office level .
Speaker #5: So I expect there to be some margin expansion , especially with with , you know , layering on volumes onto this . You know , optimized base that we have .
Speaker #5: So we should see some operational leverage pull through . But again , I don't think it's going to be this , you know , 300 400 basis point increase every quarter .
Speaker #5: But I do expect some some nominal increases as we keep going . So so how far up that can go . And remains to be seen .
Speaker #5: But we do . We have a tremendous amount of capacity . We have a lot of room to to pull on that operating leverage .
Speaker #5: And I think if we we are mindful of where we make those investments and how we scale , I think , you know , I expect to see nominal increases in gross margins throughout the next few quarters .
Speaker #8: Okay . So 30% plus gross margin in the coming , you know , 1 to 2 years , modest sequential improvement . over hopefully modest headroom , EBITDA margin , adjusted EBITDA margin target for 10% .
Speaker #8: You're already at 7% . And at what level ? Adjusted EBITDA margin do you need to be to achieve sustainable positive operating cash flow in the business ?
Speaker #5: Yeah , I mean , we're almost there . So if you kind of pull out some of the legacy , you know , munhall activity and , you know , formerly former steel assets , you look at just our chemical segment with with corporate layer down , we're we're right there today .
Speaker #5: So I feel comfortable that , you know , if we can get up to 10% , that should be where we need to be to sustain kind of positive cash flow going forward .
Speaker #5: Like I said , we're effectively there today , so we just need to keep keep this kind of improvement going . Be mindful of how we're investing in SG&A .
Speaker #5: But you know , that high single digits , low , low , low teens is where we effectively are . And I think if we can kind of just keep continuing to build off this base , we should see cash flow generating .
Speaker #8: Okay , permit me on the Munhall divestiture . And I apologize . I got on the call late . Did you make any prepared remarks , comments as to the update on on your hope for timing on on closing that that wind down ?
Speaker #4: No , I didn't offer any prepared remarks on that . But what I will say is , you know , we are efforting getting this completely off of our books by the close of this year .
Speaker #4: We're making good progress . We're not over the finish line yet , but I would look for 2026 to be a clean sheet of paper .
Speaker #8: Fabulous . Okay , last question . If you'll permit me , share buybacks versus . Maintenance CapEx , the business at your current new spare capacity , how do you think about the IRR from share repurchase as you get over that 10% adjusted EBITDA , IRR , M&A , based on what you're seeing in the market right now , before any potential synergies or any synergies .
Speaker #5: Hey .
Speaker #4: Adam, I hate to break it to you, but we could hardly hear anything that you just said.
Speaker #8: Oh ,
Speaker #6: Sorry .
Speaker #2: Adam . Yes , we're having a hard time hearing you .
Speaker #8: Okay ?
Speaker #2: Yeah , I apologize . Do you want to try calling back in or or .
Speaker #8: Yes . Okay . If you can't hear me now , I'll call back in . I apologize ,
Speaker #2: Okay ? As a reminder to ask a question , you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced .
Speaker #2: To withdraw your question , please press star one one again . Our next question comes from Greg Kit of Pinnacle Fund . Your line is now open .
Speaker #6: Thank you for the follow . One , one of the other more encouraging statements that I heard you say , Ryan , was that you're very comfortable being patient on acquisitions right now .
Speaker #6: And it sounds like in part that's because your your winning business organically and maybe that's at a rate more than what you previously thought .
Speaker #6: I think when I talked to both of you earlier this year , my thought was that maybe you'd go look at acquiring some proprietary products like a portfolio that could help accelerate your ramp to that 120 to $130 million of revenue .
Speaker #6: It seems like you're winning business organically at a rate where maybe that you don't need to do that . Could you give just a little bit of color around how you're thinking about products or proprietary product portfolio acquisitions relative to your organic growth ?
Speaker #4: Yeah , sure . Greg , can you hear me ? Okay .
Speaker #6: I can hear you just fine . Can you hear me ?
Speaker #4: Yeah , I can , yeah , just from a from an M&A perspective , we're we're certainly active . We're just not we're not in a rush to do a bad deal .
Speaker #4: We were actually , you know , under an Loi in Q3 . Obviously that didn't move through . But that just goes back to to our patients and how we're going to be good stewards of of the capital that we do have from a , from a product perspective , certainly , we're very interested in acquiring product lines that could then be integrated in within our existing underutilized asset base .
Speaker #4: Obviously , that's a little bit more difficult to find , but we are we are efforting that .
Speaker #6: Thank you . And so because you have this opportunity to be patient on acquisitions , you have a bunch of cash , which is generating interest income .
Speaker #6: In the meantime , I think maybe the piggyback on some of Adam's question , how do you think about your current balance sheet repurchase activity and how do you evaluate ?
Speaker #6: I think you said what's an what's an IRR on your on a repurchase versus some other use ?
Speaker #5: Yeah , I mean , what we like is we we have the , the optionality . Right now . And I think that's a unique position for a lot of people in our industry who are just trying to kind of get by every quarter .
Speaker #5: So , you know , we look at it all holistically . We we have been more successful at a faster rate in organic growth .
Speaker #5: We have a tremendous amount of upside within our own assets . So ideally that is the safest , lowest risk return . If we can find ways to allocate capital internally to growth CapEx , for example , operationally to support growth , that'll be our first and foremost point of point of allocating capital right , Brian said .
Speaker #5: We've been looking at M&A . We've been looking at inorganic growth , but frankly , there's just not been a lot of assets out there that we feel are worth the distraction .
Speaker #5: And that would generate the returns on a risk adjusted basis to to equal what we can do organically . And then we've always had the option to buy back stock .
Speaker #5: If the stock continues to stay at , you know , at this level , we'll continue to be active in the market . We are buying back shares daily .
Speaker #5: It's a small amount . We took a quite a bit of shares out of the float earlier this year . So you know we kind of just look at it holistically and we're always keeping our ear to the ground on what's out there .
Speaker #5: From an M&A perspective . But you know , with the amount of idle capacity we have today , you know , it doesn't make a lot of sense for us to go buy capacity , right .
Speaker #5: We have to , you know , fill our own plants if we can find a product line that we can slot in , if we can find a new vertical to go into that that's outside of the core ones that we participate in today .
Speaker #5: We'll look at that . So we do have some IRR benchmarks internally . You know , depending on where that investment goes . But you know we we like the optionality at this point as we continue to kind of evolve and see where this business is taking us and see where we're successful .
Speaker #5: I think that's where we're going to be able to allocate capital and drive again , organic first , and then we'll look at the other options .
Speaker #6: Thank you . One last question from me . Can you talk about some of the targeted R&D investments that you're making ? How quickly can those turn into are those new products you have the capability to manufacture it in your existing equipment , and you're looking at how can you develop a new product ?
Speaker #6: Or if you could flush that out , that would be great .
Speaker #4: Yeah , I mean , I think first and foremost it was the it was hiring Prashant , our new R&D leader , Prashant , in industry expert came to us by way of of Arlen .
Speaker #4: And prior to that , DuPont . So , you know , within literally weeks , Prashant was helping us crack the code on some product development challenges that we had had .
Speaker #4: He's leaned in and he's helped us resolve some process R&D related challenges . So improving the manufacturability of of products that we've developed in the lab and helping them scale up more efficiently and effectively in the plants .
Speaker #4: So he's already making a huge difference , obviously , from a capability standpoint . We have lab capabilities today . There's probably some targeted investments that will be looking at making in 2026 to close a couple of capability gaps that we have from a from a lab equipment perspective .
Speaker #4: But really just really pleased with how Prashant has leaned in and the impact he has made in such a short period of time .
Speaker #6: Thank you very much .
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from the line of Adam Waldo of Lismore Partners LLC . Your line is now open .
Speaker #8: I apologize for the earlier connectivity issues . I hope you can hear me . Okay , now .
Speaker #5: Yeah .
Speaker #8: Oh , great . Okay . Phew . All right . So at the kind of 30% gross margin and with some headroom above that going forward over the next couple of years .
Speaker #8: What kind of variable contribution margins do you think you'll be able to achieve at the adjusted EBITDA margin line as you bring on continue to bring on strong levels of new volume and then related to that , what do you think your current system wide capacity utilization is presently ?
Speaker #8: Thank you .
Speaker #5: I'll speak to the the incremental margin . So you know not to be , you know , kind of difficult here , but it's really , you know , the way our assets are set up .
Speaker #5: You know it's not a straightforward calculation where £1 equals , you know , X margin or incremental margin . So it's really dependent on the customer .
Speaker #5: The engagement , the product mix . And and where , where we make that product . Right . So we have three plants today depending on what it is and where it is .
Speaker #5: That's how we we're able to kind of define that , that that incremental margin pickup . So you know , where we're at today , you know , the business we're bringing in today .
Speaker #5: Again , I think it's you're going to see incremental margin improvement on top of this going forward . So it's really difficult to say , you know , £5 million a week .
Speaker #5: Let's million margin . It's just really dependent on how this mix plays out where we determine that it's the best place to fit those products into our current assets .
Speaker #5: So , you know , I would say , you know , incremental margin improvements as we keep going . I again , I don't expect a tremendous pickups every quarter here .
Speaker #5: Just despite the volume growth . So that's kind of how I view the incremental margin gains . Brian can speak to capacity .
Speaker #4: Yeah . Just to add a little bit more color on that , Adam . I mean , so from a manufacturing process , some of the products that we make , you know , have a , a six hour cycle time , some of the products that we manufacture have like a 48 hour cycle time .
Speaker #4: So obviously the cost is very , very different from product to product from manufacturing to manufacturing location . So we're we're not trying to be difficult , but that , you know , descriptor of it depends .
Speaker #4: It really does depend from a utilization standpoint today . You know , we're we're we're right around 50% utilized . So tons of runway for organic growth inside of the existing asset base with , you know , minimal capital requirements .
Speaker #4: If you do a look back over the past 3 to 5 years , our average CapEx spend has been in that , you know , call it $3 million a year range .
Speaker #4: Moving forward , there's nothing standing in our way from being able to deliver 120 , $130 million of top line through our existing asset base without additional material capital required .
Speaker #4: So tons of runway for organic growth , super excited about the momentum that's being built up from a commercial standpoint . Want to see those wins start hitting the income statement sooner than later .
Speaker #4: But the the momentum is real . And it's and it's building .
Speaker #8: Terrific. Very helpful color. Thanks very much, and good luck going forward.
Speaker #4: All right . Thanks , Adam . Thank you .
Speaker #2: Thank you . This concludes our question and answer session . I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Kitchen for closing remarks .
Speaker #4: Okay . Great . Thank you . Dana , we'd like to thank everyone for listening to today's call . And we look forward to speaking with you again when we report our second quarter , our third quarter .
Speaker #4: Fourth quarter , 2020 results . We'll get that right next time . Thanks a lot everyone . And have a have a great evening .
Speaker #2: Ladies and gentlemen , this does conclude today's teleconference . You may disconnect your lines at this time . Thank you for your participation .