Q3 2025 IonQ Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good afternoon and welcome to the IonQ, Inc. . Third quarter 2025 Earnings call . All participants will be in . Listen only mode .
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Speaker #4: Good afternoon , everyone , and welcome to IonQ, Inc. third quarter 2020 Earnings Call . My name is Hanley Donofrio and I am Head of Investor Relations here at Inc. I'm pleased to be joined on today's call by Niccolo Masi Inc. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer , Dr. Singh .
Speaker #4: Our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer , Jordan Shapiro . Our President of Quantum Networking , Sensing and Security , Chris Ballance . Our president of Quantum Computing , and Dean Cashman , our Executive Vice president of Global engineering and Technology .
Speaker #4: Our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer , Jordan Shapiro . Our President of Quantum Networking , Sensing and Security , Chris Ballance .
Speaker #4: access to the company's third quarter 2025 earnings press release issued this afternoon , which is available on the SEC's website and on the Investor Relations section of our website at .
Speaker #4: Please note that on today's call , management will refer to non-GAAP financial measures , which the company believes these non-GAAP financial measures provide useful information for investors .
Speaker #4: The presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP .
Speaker #4: These comments are based on our predictions and expectations as of today , and are not guarantees of future performance . Actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties .
Speaker #4: Therefore , you should not put undue reliance on those statements . We refer you to our recent SEC filings , including our annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st , 2020 .
Speaker #4: Four , and our quarterly Reports on Form 10-q for the quarter ended March 31st , 2025 . June 30th , 2025 and September 30th , 2025 .
Speaker #4: For a more detailed discussion of those risks and uncertainties . We undertake no obligation to revise any statements to reflect changes with occur after this call , except as required by law .
Speaker #4: Now I will turn it over to Niccolo Masi chairman and CEO of IonQ, Inc. .
Speaker #5: Thank you all for joining us . Q3 2025 will be remembered as a transformative quarter for Inc. , not only because we so significantly exceeded the high end of our revenue guidance , but because of our tremendous symphony of technical progress , talent attraction , and successful expansion of our vision to lead globally in the business of quantum .
Speaker #5: I will leave my colleague Andrew to provide details . However , as most listeners will have seen in our earnings press release , a few minutes ago , Inc. delivered its largest quarterly revenue beat ever , delivering results 37% above the high end of our guidance .
Speaker #5: Putting this in perspective , we grew revenue year on year by 222% . A truly impressive number that demonstrates our commercial traction . Our company's growth trajectory is clear , and we have only just scratched the surface of the enormous opportunities we are pursuing .
Speaker #5: During the quarter , we announced that our AQ 64 tempo system was up and running three months ahead of schedule , fulfilling our technical goal for the year .
Speaker #5: We closed our acquisition of Oxford Ionics and raised $1 billion at a 25% premium to the previous day's closing price . We created Ink Federal and appointed a leadership team consisting of senior security , cleared personnel , including executive Chairman Robert Cardillo , former director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency for President Trump .
Speaker #5: We are truly honored that General Jay Raymond joined our board of directors . General Raymond is the only four star general since 1947 to have served as a four star in two services , and was the founder of the Space Force at President Trump's direction .
Speaker #5: In his first term . These leaders are emblematic of the incredible talent we are attracting across the organization , and their decision to join us is a testament to our commanding market position and bright future .
Speaker #5: I am proud of our clear quantum advantage use cases so far this year. We demonstrated faster computational engineering work with Amcc and March, as well as hybrid quantum AI applications.
Speaker #5: In April . In June , in partnership with Nvidia , Amazon and AstraZeneca , we demonstrated the world's first 20 quantum speedup in computational drug development .
Speaker #5: Our 40th system has routinely demonstrated quantum advantage , and in this case , performed nearly a month of classical computational work in just 36 hours .
Speaker #5: Our newest system , which we unveiled at our Analyst Day on September 12th , is called tempo Public benchmarks show tempo has a compute space 36 quadrillion times larger than the leading commercial superconducting system in the market .
Speaker #5: We are proud that tempo is scheduled to ship in 2026 and has a computational space approximately 260 million times larger than our current fully commercialized Forte system .
Speaker #5: Following our expansion networking in the second half of 2024 and the first half of 2025 , we acquired the world's leading quantum sensing company , Vector Atomic .
Speaker #5: Vector atomic has been a fantastic addition to our capabilities for gold and dome like projects , and vital commercial solutions such as next generation GPS .
Speaker #5: Our new colleagues , led by CEO Doctor Jamil Abortion , are a wonderful cultural fit and already have multiple program of record contracts with important US government agencies .
Speaker #5: Quantum sensing is relevant to our networking , cybersecurity and computing product families , and we are confident it will accelerate growth for ink around the world .
Speaker #5: I'm pleased to report that we're proving out synergies as expected across many of our product families globally . Ink has a truly unique ability to land and expand in quantum computing .
Speaker #5: Quantum networking , quantum sensing , and quantum cybersecurity . Our strategy is to expand our technical lead in quantum product family and connect our products together to provide unique solutions to allied sovereigns and major multinationals alike .
Speaker #5: We are investing our ecosystems breadth and depth by partnerships that we believe will underpin long term annuity like customer relationships . As we have demonstrated , and as I said in our Analyst day , we are in it to win it .
Speaker #5: And we keep our commitments . We are continually on the lookout for talent and IP that will allow us to accelerate the progress we make on our technical roadmaps .
Speaker #5: Time matters and we view ourselves as an increasingly indispensable partner in defense and economic security for the US and NATO in the coming years .
Speaker #5: With over 1100 patents pending and granted , we are proud of how our IP moat has expanded 30 X since our first IPO .
Speaker #5: Our team has put in tremendous effort this quarter and year as we have deepened our commitment to both fundamental research and commercial leadership .
Speaker #5: After the quarter ended , we delivered three exciting milestones strengthening our balance sheet by selling $2 billion of common stock at $93 per share , demonstrating the world record two qubit gate fidelity of 99.99% , or four nines , and closing our acquisition of Vector Atomic , our four nines of fidelity for two qubit gates is a particularly momentous and historic achievement .
Speaker #5: We are the first company in history that can proudly say that all of our key technical milestones have been achieved , and we are now focused on only engineering , scaling to achieve full fault tolerance with our well-established semiconductor fabrication approach .
Speaker #5: The course is clear for us to deliver each generation of our systems . You'll hear more on this from my colleague Chris Balance in a couple of minutes .
Speaker #5: It is clear that ink has begun to enjoy compounding benefits from our scale and momentum advantages , entrenching our position as the dominant force in quantum and the only complete quantum platform solution .
Speaker #5: Before I close , allow me to clarify for stakeholders new and old , what true quantum computing actually is . While numerous companies , public and private , have added the word quantum to their corporate name for decades , we can confidently state that in almost every case , beyond ink , this is just a branding attempt .
Speaker #5: Terms like quantum inspired quantum annealing or analog quantum simulators all represent toy machines . Compared to the real deal , which is universal , fully entangled , gate based quantum computing .
Speaker #5: Our co-founder Chris Monroe kicked off the field of gate based quantum computing with the demonstration of the world's first quantum gate in 1995 , and our team has been at the forefront of quantum computing ever since .
Speaker #5: Only a universal quantum computer like those we have shipped and continue to accelerate building at Ink offers actual commercial quantum advantage , plenty of analog quantum simulators exist in one form or another .
Speaker #5: They are quite easy to build compared with a true entangled general purpose gate model . Quantum computer . However , to fully simulate the complexity and range of possibilities enabled by 100 truly entangled qubits in our tempo system would require billions of high end GPUs and consume more power than all of the world's power stations combined .
Speaker #5: Indeed , as we showed at our Analyst Day in September , tempo has 36 quadrillion times more computational space than our closest competitors .
Speaker #5: Best machines . The volume of simulation equivalent GPUs can be expected to become even more astronomical , as we release our 256 qubit and 10,000 qubit systems in subsequent generations .
Speaker #5: Looking beyond that, as we laid out on June 9th, IonQ is targeting 1,600 logical qubits in 2028 and 80,000 in 2030.
Speaker #5: As a point of comparison , a leading competitors roadmap released one day after hours , targets only 2000 logical qubits by 2033 . This is five years behind us , and with an architecture that will cost 1 to 2 orders of magnitude more for equivalent compute power , five years later , we showcased our industry leading bill of materials for our 80,000 logical qubit machines .
Speaker #5: On September 12th , global supply chain experts A.T. Kearney have validated our bill of materials for a 2 million qubit machines to be Sub30 million dollars in $2,025 .
Speaker #5: No other company will be able to come close to these unit economics . Anyone can say they're doing something quantum when they absolutely are not .
Speaker #5: For the avoidance of doubt , software running on simulators or any classical machines can always be branded with the word quantum . However , doing so , of course , does not mean true entanglement and quantum advantage is in operation .
Speaker #5: No one can come close to approaching what I ink . Software running on our universal gate based true entanglement generating quantum computers can offer .
Speaker #5: The hardware needs to be quantum , and the software needs to be quantum in order for the results to be quantum . We believe we are the clear leader in quantum computing .
Speaker #5: Further differentiated by our capabilities in quantum networking . Quantum sensing , and quantum cybersecurity . This leadership enables Inc. to offer quantum computing far sooner and at a far lower cost than others .
Speaker #5: Our focus now is on translating our clear technical advantages and differentiated capabilities into value for shareholders . Quantum is now , as you have seen , Q3 was another strong pioneering and record breaking quarter at Inc. we look forward to Q4 and 2026 with confidence .
Speaker #5: I am delighted with how our leadership team is evolving . Interesting hit the ground running as CEO and CFO , benefiting from his knowledge of the company gained in his prior role as our lead Independent Director and Audit Committee Chair , Doctor Chris Ballance , founder of Oxford Ionics , has become Encke's first president of Quantum Computing .
Speaker #5: Doctor Marco Pistoia , who until last quarter was global head of quantum computing at JP Morgan , has assumed the role of CEO of Inc. Italia .
Speaker #5: As we continue to deepen our investments in EMEA and Dina Costa was appointed as Chief Corporate Affairs and Government Relations Officer , bringing more than three decades of experience at technology , defense and public service .
Speaker #5: I am delighted to introduce everyone now to Doctor Chris Balance , president of Quantum Computing , to provide more detail on our quantum computing milestones this quarter .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Niccolo . Let me begin by saying it's a privilege to be part of you at this critical inflection point . Since closing the Oxford Ionics acquisition .
Speaker #6: Our priority has been swift and purposeful . Integration . We've already unified our world class engineering teams and are now executing as a single , focused entity to deliver on our technology roadmap as outlined at our Analyst Day in September .
Speaker #6: The Oxford Ionics electronic Qubit Control EQC architecture is actively being integrated into the IonQ, Inc. 256 qubit machine and will be demonstrated in 2026 .
Speaker #6: In parallel , our scheduled system deliveries to Forte Enterprise in Tempo remain on track as planned . The beautiful thing about Electronic Cuba control is that it fits seamlessly with classical computing workflows , and our present electronic world EQ uniquely underpins our ability to become the world's first mass market quantum computing company in history .
Speaker #6: As Niccolo highlighted , we're proud to have delivered a record breaking algorithmic qubit score . AQ of 64 on tempo . Our fifth generation quantum computer , which expanded our computational space by approximately 260 million times hand in hand with that announcement .
Speaker #6: We're also very excited to have achieved the historic world record 99.99% two qubit gate performance this quarter . We're rapidly building on that performance to execute our roadmap out to 2 million physical qubits in 2030 , making us the only company who has hit the qubit performance target for full fault tolerance scale quantum computer platform .
Speaker #6: What's even more exciting is that we achieve this performance in a chip based platform that can be scaled via the existing semiconductor industry , supply chains , which enables our rapid scaling .
Speaker #6: With 99.99% two qubit gate performance , we realize fewer errors per operation and therefore require fewer physical qubits to operate . Large scale commercial systems with these high performing qubits , we also unlock more complex algorithms that simply will never be tackled by lower performance systems .
Speaker #6: What drew me to Ionq is our comprehensive full stack approach , our unique ability to network systems together is , in the long run , the key to true scalability in quantum computing .
Speaker #6: To expand on the progress you're making in that critical capability , I'll turn it over to Jordan Shapiro , president of Quantum Networking , sensing and Security .
Speaker #7: Thank you , Chris . Just as our acquisition of Oxford Ionics has greatly accelerated the timeline of our computing milestones , the integration of Vector Atomic has vastly expanded the potential and Tam of our networking , sensing and security product family uniting world class sensing capabilities with our pioneering infrastructure for long range quantum connectivity allows Ionq to bid on some of the most important cyber infrastructure projects of the future .
Speaker #7: Indeed , we have more than $1 billion of proposals in progress that leverage the strength of our unique quantum platform , offering , vector Atomics precision inertial sensors and clocks have demonstrated state of the art performance on land , at sea , in the air and in space , with equipment having been deployed on the US Department of War's X-37b Orbital Test Vehicle .
Speaker #7: We are now working to integrate this positioning , navigation and timing technology onto our own satellites and will soon fly more products from the ink portfolio , including quantum key distribution systems to pioneer global quantum secure communications networks .
Speaker #7: We are also making Qkd post-quantum cryptography and secure networking advancements on the ground . We are proud to be collaborating on the first city dedicated quantum network in Geneva , Switzerland , as part of a landmark public private initiative which includes CERN , Rolex , the Swiss Government and academic institutions .
Speaker #7: The network will securely link institutions across the region and deploy Ionq's quantum key distribution and quantum detection systems , demonstrating our security capabilities in action while also leveraging hundreds of miles of existing fiber optic infrastructure .
Speaker #7: This is just another example of I think driving awareness of quantum potential while enabling real world quantum secure communications . Today . Now , I'd like to hand the call over to Indar Singh Ionq's , CFO and COO .
Speaker #8: Thank you to Nikola and the entire team here. Let me just begin by saying that my first two months as CFO and CEO have really been incredibly exciting.
Speaker #8: Of course , before this role , I was involved with Ecmc on the board as Nikola mentioned , but it's an entirely different experience being part of this amazing leadership team at a critical point in the industry , as well as the platform that we have established .
Speaker #8: Nikola's strategy of building the world's first quantum platform company is we are is what we are now reporting on . And executing towards .
Speaker #8: A year ago , we were proud to be speaking with you about our breakthroughs in quantum computing , in which we still maintain a five plus year lead over others and have just announced our fifth generation machine .
Speaker #8: To remind you, our competitors seem to still be working on their second-generation machines today. We're proud to be speaking with you as the world's first quantum platform company.
Speaker #8: And today the results we're going to be sharing demonstrate execution of that strategy . We are the market's only full stack quantum platform company on our financial results for the third quarter .
Speaker #8: I'm very pleased to say that we had a very strong quarter as Nikola mentioned , we achieved record revenues of $39.9 million , representing year on year growth of 222% .
Speaker #8: These revenues exceeded even the high end of our own guidance by 37% . We achieved this by continuing the leadership in quantum computing and rapidly expanding into quantum networking , quantum sensing and quantum cybersecurity .
Speaker #8: We have led and continue to lead in quantum computing with our record breaking four nines fidelity and 64 algorithmic qubits . We have now added world class quantum cybersecurity as well as the world's best quantum atomic clocks and the world's most advanced quantum sensing technologies .
Speaker #8: As a result , our commercial opportunities have also grown alongside the platform we have built . As Nikola mentioned , we can now capture a larger solutions based contracts and continue our land and expand strategy .
Speaker #8: As Nikola puts it , we are the £800 gorilla of quantum , able to address the opportunities that require a quantum solution . This lies at the heart of the work we announced with the US Department of Energy in Q3 and the future solutions .
Speaker #8: We can now develop in partnership with them . It also uniquely positions Ionq to pursue large scale contract opportunities like the US government's Golden Dome initiative , the capability we have in our opinion , uniquely differentiates us in the quantum market with the ability to now pursue potentially three digit million dollar opportunities .
Speaker #8: I'm also pleased to report that our business is increasingly international . In the most recent quarter , our business was approximately 70% US and 30% international , contrasted with a year ago when it was almost all US based .
Speaker #8: We expect to continue to expand our global footprint , and as we move ahead , we are looking at potential opportunities around the world , including in example countries , Australia , Italy , the Nordics , South Korea , India , Japan and many others .
Speaker #8: In Q3 , we had an adjusted EBITDA loss of $48.9 million on this non-GAAP basis , our biggest spend continues to be on research and development , which lies at the heart of our solutions .
Speaker #8: This nearly doubled on a year on year basis , and we will continue to invest to maintain and expand our innovation leadership . These investments allow us to hire and retain the world's best quantum talent and Inc. period .
Speaker #8: We are investing in engineering and research in production and in go-to-market. We believe we can both land and expand by embedding ourselves in our solutions with our customers.
Speaker #8: As well as take on the obvious opportunity to address cross-sell opportunities of our products across our customer base . In Q3 2025 , GAAP operating expenses were $208.7 million , including research and development spend of 66.3 million sales and marketing spend of 14.4 million , and G&A of of 82.5 million accounted for the rest .
Speaker #8: The GAAP spend includes non-operational items such as acquisition related costs , as well as some non-cash costs such as SBC stock based compensation .
Speaker #8: For the quarter , stock based compensation accounted for $72.9 million , driven primarily by incentives to attract and retain the world class talent .
Speaker #8: We are putting together the details are for this are also available in our press release and will be available in our 10-q , will be filed , which will be filed shortly .
Speaker #8: GAAP EPs in the quarter was a loss of $3.58 . The biggest item in the GAAP EPs is related to the mark to market .
Speaker #8: We are required to do this each quarter. This is associated with the warrants outstanding, and for context, in Q3, this cost alone amounted to an EPS impact of minus $2.99.
Speaker #8: Again , for context , our stock price as our stock price rises . So do these non-cash , non-operating warrant expenses . Other one time expenses , such as the previously mentioned acquisition costs , accounted for for for a remainder .
Speaker #8: And if you adjust for these sort of non-operating expenses , our adjusted EPs was a loss of $0.17 . We believe this latter adjusted EPs number is more representative of the business .
Speaker #8: Ongoing operating performance , and therefore we have introduced this metric . Turning now to our balance sheet cash . Cash equivalents and investments .
Speaker #8: As of September 30th , 2025 were $1.5 billion . In October , we closed an additional $2 billion capital raise , which brings our Performa cash balance to $3.5 billion as of October 14th , with no debt on our balance sheet and this 3.5 billion solidifies Inc. as the most well , pure play quantum provider in the world .
Speaker #8: This financial firepower provides us with the ability to continue to invest in our market leading position , and we intend to keep doing that .
Speaker #8: Turning to my role as Chief Operating Officer, I'm also working very closely with Nikola and the rest of the leadership team on ensuring that our company, infrastructure, and processes also scale as our unique quantum platform delivers for our customers.
Speaker #8: We are committed to operational excellence across the business and just as an example , we are rapidly developing a unified procurement strategy to tighten lead times , bring us resiliency and generate cost benefits as we scale with our investment in Oxford , Ionics and starting in particular with our 256 qubit quantum chip that Chris talked about , we can now begin to leverage the existing semiconductor ecosystem and the silicon design capabilities .
Speaker #8: By doing this , we can benefit from established foundries and mature nodes at these foundries , which also provides supply chain resilience as well as lower cost infrastructure .
Speaker #8: Our quantum platform helps deliver the best price , the most miniaturization , the easiest deployability , and the lowest energy requirements . In our view , this platform approach , combined with our world class engineering deployment teams , enables us to deeply us with embed our solutions into the most critical workflows at our customers .
Speaker #8: We believe this approach creates a stickiness with our customers , which further further deepens as we build quantum applications in partnership with them to solve their most difficult challenges .
Speaker #8: To net it all out for you , we are creating a quantum ecosystem and will continue investing to grow our lead and deepen our competitive moat .
Speaker #8: Let me conclude my comments with our financial guidance for FY 2025 . As I mentioned earlier , we achieved a record breaking quarter in Q3 , and as I said earlier , also , we are investing in the business , so I'm happy to say that we now expect our Q4 revenues to be even stronger than Q3 .
Speaker #8: This breaks the seasonality we have seen in this company in prior years . With that , I am pleased to say that we are increasing our full year 2025 revenue guidance to a new range of $106 million to $110 million .
Speaker #8: We are also reaffirming our projections for EBITDA to be in the range of -206 to -216 million , which has a midpoint consistent with what we said last quarter .
Speaker #8: As Nikola began in his opening remarks, we are vertically integrated with decades of engineering breakthroughs behind us, and we believe decades more to come.
Speaker #8: With that , operator , you can please now open up for Q&A .
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Speaker #3: At this time , we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster . Our first question comes from Craig Ellis of B Riley Securities .
Speaker #3: Please go ahead .
Speaker #8: Operator . Maybe we can move to the next caller while Craig dials back in again .
Speaker #3: Absolutely . Our next question comes from Quinn Boulton of Needham and Koh . Please go ahead .
Speaker #9: Hey , guys . Congratulations on the nice results and the significant upside to guidance . I guess I wanted to start there with the revenue upside in the quarter .
Speaker #9: Can you give us some sense how much of that came from the core quantum computing business ? How much might have been spread across the security sensing and networking business ?
Speaker #9: Just trying to get a sense for how the business may be diversifying under your quantum platform strategy .
Speaker #10: Yeah , I .
Speaker #8: Would say sort of it's diversifying . I mean , thank you for your question . Of course , I would say that we are now getting into the capability of selling solutions .
Speaker #8: That's really important . That lies at the heart of what the future of this company is . And that's largely with what Nikola started putting in place earlier this year .
Speaker #8: So all of the products being under one roof allows us to be a one stop shop with integrated solutions all the way from sensing to network security .
Speaker #8: I mean , think about quantum security and the the relevance of something like that today . When potentially encryption could be at risk a few years down the road .
Speaker #8: So what's resonating for us , to be honest , which is what you're seeing , the results is the cumulative effect of having the solutions around security , which are here and now .
Speaker #8: The solutions around recurring revenue streams and subscription type revenues that we didn't have in the past , frankly . And we now enjoy in the platform .
Speaker #8: And also to your point , building on the continuing momentum in quantum computing , I'm happy to say that quantum computing's momentum continues in the same way that it has for the last four years .
Speaker #8: So we have a very ambitious but also very focused and targeted . And in Chris's team , resourced effort to maintain our technological computing leadership .
Speaker #8: The point you should take away is every other company is talking about computing . They're talking about how many qubits , and we wish them well .
Speaker #8: Of course , at the same time , we have our fifth generation machine available . Now , our sixth generation machine coming up next year .
Speaker #8: So we're not standing still on that . So the momentum continues and we are now benefiting from sort of all of these things coming together in a platform company that no other company can match .
Speaker #8: And so I think the results that you're seeing reflect our ability to actually open more doors . Talk about solutions instead of selling an individual product , talk about selling security to protect networks .
Speaker #8: Today , when every network is threatened by hackers , virtually everything that is classical from a security standpoint . And you know , this is really not enough anymore , Jordan talked about our capabilities here .
Speaker #8: The sensing businesses that we have are super relevant because you've heard of GPS spoofing , no doubt . And you think about atomic clocks positioning , navigation , timing , the ability for us to put that in place with incredible accuracy is something that we believe no other company can offer .
Speaker #8: So I think you're seeing the results of everything . But yes , to answer your question directly , we've got great momentum in our business .
Speaker #8: We're not stopping . We're going to have the most number of qubits next year . And in five years from now .
Speaker #9: Excellent . Then a follow up question just it looks like the DARPA Qbi program should be getting close to announcing stage B selection .
Speaker #9: I think many investors view that as a potential point of validation for those companies selected . I just wonder if you could make general comments .
Speaker #9: How are you feeling about that down selection process and your level of confidence going into that ? That process ? Thank you .
Speaker #11: Thanks . Quin , this is Dean Kassman . So the Inc team , which was a performer under Qbi as well as the Oxford team , have both gotten immensely positive feedback from the DARPA team
Speaker #11: . And we n't can't say anything yet until the DARPA , you know , leadership announces kind of the performers that are moving to stage B , but we're very happy with the technical work , and we've gotten very positive technical feedback .
Speaker #9: Excellent . Thanks , Dean .
Speaker #5: Okay . So we're going to try try craig-hallum .
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Craig Ellis of B Riley Securities . Please go ahead .
Speaker #12: Yeah . Hopefully things are working . Thanks for taking the question . Congratulations team on the execution Nikola , I wanted to start with a question for you .
Speaker #12: Very clear that you've established a strong platform . The question is , as you work with your government partners , as you work with your commercial customers , what application areas are you seeing being most most popular presently and what looks most ascendant for people that are just starting to get engaged or or maybe going on to the second or third round of work with your quantum capability .
Speaker #12: As we look out to 2026 .
Speaker #5: Yeah . So I'm going to answer that probably in a more broadly than simply what the government's focused on , because there's a lot of overlap between customers and the commercial space .
Speaker #5: And of course , the government space . Right . We talked about things like power grid optimization . We've talked about programs like Golden Dome where we have , you know , a number of products .
Speaker #5: And as Indra rightly put it , solutions that are hugely relevant . There's obviously a stronger Inc. federal team , both on the board and the management team , which includes people like Rick Mueller , the former IR director .
Speaker #5: So there's a fair amount that's obviously , you know , in the in the classified space , given that we have a lot of classified personnel , you know , deliberately in the team and in the strategy , in the defense , you sector , if you will , you can imagine that everything from , you know , logistics to maintenance to , you know , Afrl , we have a contract with of size where it's quantum networking of two computers .
Speaker #5: And that's obviously been running for about a year's time . I think it's safe to say that there is more that we're able to offer in the quantum realm .
Speaker #5: For more agencies, any other company on the planet, and we have a deliberate strategy for not just the U.S., but what's called the Five Eyes.
Speaker #5: And of . Course , NATO . Beyond that , we're proud of the fact that we're making considerable inroads in our investments in Europe .
Speaker #5: And of course , we have our president of quantum computing in the UK . I was the only quantum CEO at the Chequers technology prosperity deal last month , right ?
Speaker #5: Between President Trump and Prime Minister Starmer . So I think it is safe to take away from that , that we have fantastic momentum with , let's just say , the classified space and ministers of many friendly and allied nations .
Speaker #5: But I think that the applications we're working on have much broader application and sector . Right . There's overlap for companies of scale and the commercial space with what the government is interested in .
Speaker #5: In fact , there's overlap . Anyone that has any scale , right . Nobody wants to get hacked . Honestly , Craig . Right .
Speaker #5: And things like quantum cybersecurity and qkd , they're hugely relevant today because people are getting hacked today . You've heard me say in the past that you can spot our quantum security customers because they're typically not in the news for data breaches .
Speaker #5: And nobody really wants to be in the news for data breaches, right? So we're an integral part of noxious national—well, national economic security, as we see it.
Speaker #5: And we're an integral part of where the fortune 500 is planning , you know , out there roadmaps in the next few years .
Speaker #5: Frankly , across across our business .
Speaker #12: That's really helpful . And then the follow up is for indoor , in your prepared remarks , I think you mentioned that there were multiple three digit millions deals that the company was working on , I think Jordan mentioned something that might be in the billion dollar range .
Speaker #12: Can you just talk about the timing with which the company might be able to realize those ? Is that something that's possible later in 2025 ?
Speaker #12: Is it 2026 or longer term ? Thank you .
Speaker #8: Thanks for the question . I think that you caught the gist of what I think . We want to make sure that you all understand a solution is measured in very different ways than a single product sale .
Speaker #8: So what we are now able to do is deliver an integrated solution to your point , you know , how do these develop , how do they get announced ?
Speaker #8: Clearly we will be sharing with you more once we are ready to . And also as we get into early 2026 , we can start talking about guidance for 26 .
Speaker #8: I'm not suggesting this to be put into guidance into your financial model for tomorrow , for sure . Of course . Right . You need to understand , though , that the nature of the game has changed .
Speaker #8: And I think gone are the days when it's sort of like butting heads to sell a single product . And maybe our competitors are doing that and we wish them well .
Speaker #8: That's what makes an industry happen , actually . We're not standing still . We're just putting together the platform that solves real world solutions .
Speaker #8: And if you look at the Doe announcement that I referenced earlier , that's a great evidence point for you . If you think about the vision of what Golden Dome is trying to achieve , classical computing cannot address it .
Speaker #8: And the products that we've developed that are both terrestrial , that are space based as well . The sensing these components have come together with a strategy and reason , and we are now able to provide that .
Speaker #8: As Nikola said , not only for one type of a customer and one type of a solution , such as Golden Dome . But also to other countries that have similar needs .
Speaker #8: So watch this space . You know , I think two quarters in to this role , I'm feeling great about where we are , the sort of performance that is flowing through the financials today gives me a real confidence .
Speaker #8: The fact that , as I mentioned , we have more of our revenue , that is , of a repeatable nature now as well , that gives me near-term visibility .
Speaker #8: And then as these you called it 300 or , you know , three digit million opportunities emerge , develop . You know , they take a few years , obviously , to execute .
Speaker #8: But at the same time , if you have a few of those layering on ahead of you . And you're the only company positioned to strike now , then it's a terrific opportunity for us .
Speaker #8: But I don't want you to put that into your model just yet . Let us take you through there . Let us show you the evidence of that as we go forward .
Speaker #8: But we are looking at these very types of opportunities .
Speaker #12: Excellent . Thanks , guys .
Speaker #13: Yep .
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Troy Jensen of Cantor Fitzgerald . Please go ahead .
Speaker #14: Hey gentlemen , congrats on the nice results .
Speaker #8: Thank you .
Speaker #14: Hey , Chris . Are Nikola question for you . I just want to make sure I understand the timeline of the Oxford Ionics acquisition .
Speaker #14: Will the Oxford chip be in the sixth generation computer that you're launching in 26 and key tell us just the technical stats . Is it going to have the 256 cubic count and four nines fidelity ?
Speaker #6: Thank you . This is Chris balance . Yes . That's right in the 2026 Technology Development roadmap we have the 256 qubit device .
Speaker #6: That's based on electronic qubit control and its precisely in this electronic qubit control architecture that we demonstrated in a technology prototype earlier on this quarter , the four nine two qubit gate fidelity .
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Speaker #15: Have you been something . .
Speaker #14: And it's maybe a quick one for India . Can you help us out at all on opex trends and which deals have been closed ?
Speaker #14: And I mean , obviously it's up and to the right . I get it on the apex , but and also share count done .
Speaker #14: And it would be helpful for us .
Speaker #8: Yeah . Look , I think that we feel very good about where we are with our products today . And then now the solutions that we've been talking about , you know , I would say that we are intending to continue to increase what you would want us to increase , which is R&D and innovation .
Speaker #8: That's number one . Number two , we're going to invest in our go to market . We have multiple opportunities to do that .
Speaker #8: There's the land and expand , and we've demonstrated that customer after customer after customer , we have long term relationships . As you know , with Afrl and others who are using successive generations of our capabilities .
Speaker #8: And as I think about where we are in terms of R&D and SGA , I think that we are also ensuring that we have the right supply chain in place , the right manufacturing capability in place , the right foundries for Chris's business in place because he's using existing foundries , which is amazing from a cost standpoint .
Speaker #8: We're ensuring that our IT infrastructure scales . So you will see us also investing in SG&A . But that's to make sure that those don't become bottlenecks to the incredible opportunity we have to actually create solutions for our customers .
Speaker #8: And one thing that I think shouldn't get lost , and I want to I know I said it and and Nikola has as well .
Speaker #8: We're also building applications . It's not just the solution itself or the infrastructure , but it's how you use it . And what do you use it for ?
Speaker #8: So you'll see those expenses . BR investments , and I think we have the war chest that we need . We'll be prudent , of course , as you would expect us to be , about how we invest and where we invest more versus less .
Speaker #8: But I've given you a flavor for where we need to drive innovation to maintain the competitive moat that we already have , and maybe even deepen it .
Speaker #8: You ask about , share , count . You know , I would say that directionally share count by year end is probably in the range of 350 million shares plus or minus .
Speaker #8: And so I think that that reflects the investments that we've made , of course , in people and in the technologies that we have .
Speaker #8: I hope that answers your question .
Speaker #14: That was perfect . Thanks , guys , and good luck .
Speaker #13: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Richard Shannon of Craig-hallum . Please go ahead .
Speaker #16: Hi , guys . This is Tyler Anderson on for Richard Shannon . Congrats on the quarter and the acquisitions and the four nines .
Speaker #16: I I'm wondering to what degree has the government shut down impacted you for upcoming deals ? Has this pushed anything out and then could you double click on what you're doing .
Speaker #16: But Q2 next . And whether or not the scope of your work has changed since you've made all these acquisitions .
Speaker #5: Yeah . So let me take the first one and I'll pass this to my colleague Jordan on the next , you know , look , the the good news is , as I , as I said in my prepared remarks , we are increasingly part of the fabric of what matters to our nation's national security and national economic security .
Speaker #5: And I would say that's the case more broadly . I think there's strong support , obviously , in the United Kingdom for this company , given that , you know , we acquired , I would argue , the greatest , the greatest quantum company that the UK has produced in history .
Speaker #5: And so , you know , the Allied nations of the Western world are obviously determined to prevail in quantum space race , if you will .
Speaker #5: That is playing out , you know , on a weekly , monthly , quarterly basis here . And so , you know , we haven't seen any impact .
Speaker #5: Bottom line from the government shutdown in the US , that has at least been material . We are highly confident that we'll be continued as a priority partner on both sides of the Atlantic .
Speaker #5: And we're highly confident , as you heard from Inder , that engagement in the systematic importance of Inc. continues to be up and to the right .
Speaker #5: Jordan , over to you on the next .
Speaker #7: Yeah , I'll just comment first on the government side , we're tremendously confident for our current projects . We're funded and continue to work and invoice and get paid on all of our projects , not to mention you look at what's happening today .
Speaker #7: Just yesterday , the National security Space Association came out with a paper specifically talking about gold Dome and how programs of record are going to need to incorporate better GPS .
Speaker #7: And so we are feeling very confident that our , our solutions on the quantum sensing side speak specifically to those government programs . Now .
Speaker #7: And for the long term future . With respect to QNX , we do not have a significant relationship with that company , but we are rapidly expanding the number of quantum networks that we are engaged in .
Speaker #7: And for example , the Geneva quantum network that we mentioned , this afternoon is just the latest and greatest quantum networks that we're able to provide .
Speaker #16: Hey , Jordan , if I may . So I'm sorry , I may have gotten muffled . I meant Q next , the government lab from the announcement yesterday for the 625 million .
Speaker #7: Gotcha . Tyler , we'll follow up with you on that one . Perhaps offline .
Speaker #8: Yeah . Let's take that offline and go to your question if that's okay .
Speaker #16: Yeah . Absolutely . And so then has there been any shift in customer demographic since you guys have been going out and talking about your 256 cubic quantum computer ?
Speaker #8: There is an incredible interest in customers in seeing the roadmap that we've laid out . And our ability to then execute against it .
Speaker #8: What we're finding is what's resonating with them is that the bomb that we have , the bill of materials , that we have in terms of delivering a lower cost solution , as I mentioned earlier , with greater compute power and lower energy consumption , that is the right level of thing of mix of things that customers are looking for in terms of TCO .
Speaker #8: You know , my colleague Chris can speak more specifically about the early indicators of 256 and then 10,000 . And remember , our journey goes all the way up to 2 million qubits .
Speaker #8: Chris .
Speaker #6: Thanks , Linda . Yeah , what I'd add on to that is with this electronic Cupid control platform , of which the 256 qubit product is the first we can scale far more rapidly than other technologies , because we're using existing foundries .
Speaker #6: So we really are using these existing semiconductor supply chains . And we're adding nodes that are multiple generations old . Everyone else in the quantum space is having to build their own supply chains out of this .
Speaker #6: And this really is a differentiator that customers see, especially in how fast we can deliver on our long-term roadmap.
Speaker #5: Yeah . So look , the only thing I'd add to that is , you know , you heard from Indore and his prepared remarks that obviously we're growing nicely on both sides of the Atlantic .
Speaker #5: Now . So you can assume there's more global interest due to our scale and the fact that we are the largest quantum company in history by any measure at this point , as you heard from India .
Speaker #5: And , Chris , you know , winning every computing revolution comes down to as much power at , you know , a effectively affordable , accessible price as , you know , as little energy requirement and space requirement as possible .
Speaker #5: Right . And so everything you hear out of ink is about driving those metrics in the right direction , right ? We want the most powerful machines at the most accessible price points , with the lowest energy consumption .
Speaker #5: And smallest space consumption required . We also spent a lot of time on on robustness . Right . And one of the things we're proud at with ink across the board from sensing , networking and computing is that we ship , and we commercialize , and we have a lot of equipment and customers in the field .
Speaker #5: Right . So technology readiness levels are fantastically high relative to anything else you can find on planet Earth . And it's a feedback loop that benefits our ecosystem constantly .
Speaker #5: Right . So you've heard me talk in the past about our ecosystem . And , you know , at the end of the day , the platform strategy for ink is about winning the quantum computing .
Speaker #5: Race , the quantum sensing , quantum networking and stitching that all together . So that our ecosystem is unmatched and our ecosystem is not just hardware and entangled hardware .
Speaker #5: As you heard me talk in my remarks , but it's the software and applications on top of that . And the more of it that we have in the field with customers , of course , the more feedback we get and the more embedding and critical workflows .
Speaker #5: As Indra mentioned , that occurs , right ? So we're viewing this as a market share land grab opportunity of customers choosing our ecosystem , because not only we're winning today and we've won for the last 5 or 10 years , but they see a clear path to us being the prevailing ecosystem , right ?
Speaker #5: We're not just a rule of quantum , you know , we see ourselves as the Nvidia of the quantum space . And I've said that before publicly and all all signs are there .
Speaker #5: If you look at what we have published between June 9th with our webinar , September 12th Analyst Day , and of course , today's earnings call that we are the technical leader in our space and also the commercializing commercial leader in the space .
Speaker #5: And we're very focused on the mass market commercialization of all things quantum and making the future happen sooner, if not today.
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from John McPeak of Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: John , your microphone is muted . Why don't we come back to John ? Operator .
Speaker #3: All right . Once again , if you have a question , please press star . Then one . Our next question comes from David Williams of Benchmark .
Speaker #3: Please go ahead .
Speaker #17: Hey , good afternoon everyone . Thanks for taking the question . And congrats on the solid execution here . Maybe , maybe first , just a point of clarification .
Speaker #17: Jordan , did you mention earlier that you you all were working on your own satellite and putting some of the technology that you've acquired on that satellite ?
Speaker #17: Is that did I hear that correctly ?
Speaker #5: That's correct .
Speaker #17: Okay . Excellent . And when do you expect that to be in service ?
Speaker #7: We haven't put out specific timelines for the serviceability , but what I'll say is at this moment , you have flying a quantum gravimeter and that is orbiting the Earth .
Speaker #7: So these technologies that we're talking about are near-term for us . They are productized . They are space tested . And we are rapidly deploying technology as , as quickly as possible , making it available for our customers globally .
Speaker #17: Okay , fantastic . And maybe the next one for Dean or the doctor . There . If you if you kind of think about what the quantum announcement and the release of their Helio system , this is still quite a ways away from what you all have have talked about , especially your roadmap .
Speaker #17: But there was some some nice error correction or logical qubit ratios there and just kind of curious how you see that . And , and maybe any thoughts there that you might provide just on that .
Speaker #17: The helio system . Thank you .
Speaker #6: Thanks . This is Chris balance . So what matters for application performance is effective error rate . So our physical qubits are now substantially higher performance than anyone else's .
Speaker #6: Logical qubits . So in the short term you for the near-term roadmap you can take our physical cube account . As you look at other people's logical qubit counts .
Speaker #6: But what's also important is things like scalability , reliability , deployability . As Niccolo said . So our systems have been on the cloud for a very long time now , and we have a lot of battle tested experiences of landing these systems in the field .
Speaker #6: And with our new electronic qubit control technology on which we've hit this record high qubit performance , we also end up using standard chip based semiconductor fab , which allows us to make things more reliable .
Speaker #6: At the same time as reducing the cost and taking things from having knobs that need to be tuned , like in competitor systems to things that are baked into a semiconductor chip , which allows us to mass manufacture these things while improving reliability .
Speaker #6: .
Speaker #7: And David , this is Jordan . Sorry , I misspoke earlier . I meant to say we have a quantum gyroscope testing , not a quantum gravimeter .
Speaker #17: Thanks for that point of clarification . I have no idea what the first one was . Thanks .
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from John McPeak of Rosenblatt Securities . Please go ahead .
Speaker #18: I had to find the mute . Sorry guys . Zoome . So Niccolo in Team . Congratulations . This is kind of a longer term question .
Speaker #18: Your roadmap has you surpassing the most powerful supercomputers on planet Earth by multiples within the next year or two . And I'm just trying to get a sense qualitatively , at least .
Speaker #18: You know what ? What could that do to revenue growth at the company ? And then I have a mundane near-term question after that .
Speaker #11: This is Dean Kassman just from a technical and capability perspective that it generates a hockey stick . Right ? Our double exponential growth that we have in our scaling creates a absolute blossoming of applications and use cases that , you know , is basically unbounded .
Speaker #11: And so that's the simplicity . I mean , it the capabilities that will be unlocked for entrepreneurs or corporations for , you know , the promise of quantum is now it's right around the corner .
Speaker #11: We have the roadmap to drive it . And the technology that Chris talked about that underpins it . And we're executing on it .
Speaker #6: So .
Speaker #18: So yeah , go ahead . I'm sorry . Go ahead .
Speaker #6: I was just going to add on to that . Just how far past the best supercomputers these systems go . If we look at our 2026 256 qubit product to match that in terms of raw horsepower , you need about ten to the power 20 h100 Nvidia GPUs and the power consumption for that will be about a billion terawatts , which is about a billion times planet Earth .
Speaker #6: Total power generation capability . So these 2026 systems aren't just going to be more powerful than the world's largest supercomputers . They're going to be more powerful , more powerful than the largest supercomputer humanity will ever build .
Speaker #6: Even assuming hundreds or thousands of years of classical technology progress .
Speaker #5: Yeah , and the exciting thing is our Bill of materials grows very , very modestly between where we are in 26 and where we are in 2030 .
Speaker #5: So to answer your question on revenue growth , as Indra mentioned , I think at the at the full year results , we'll be talking about 26 guidance and we'll give you maybe updates to the long term model .
Speaker #5: But you know , we're obviously on the precipice of history here . And we're very excited about that as a company because there are many of us that have worked at this for entire careers .
Speaker #5: In the case of our founder , obviously 30 years , but we are delivering on the vision and we're doing it in a practical , robust , shippable deliverable .
Speaker #5: And frankly , you know , affordable manner , which is what it takes for this to become , you know , a real revolution , the likes of which we've seen only in the 1980s .
Speaker #5: And , you know , in the early days of computing , you know , what you saw in the 20 tens with mobile applications .
Speaker #5: I mean , you're going to see a flourishing of applications , ideas as , as Dean rightly said , our application roadmap that we published on June 9th on our webinar in September 12th , or Analyst Day , is just some examples of the applications we're working on .
Speaker #5: There's going to be many more many more ideas that that are developer partners and networks create , particularly around , I think the quantum AI space .
Speaker #5: Sorry , you had a second question , John .
Speaker #18: Well , that's helpful . Yeah . The language in the Q on the year over year revenue growth mentions the , you know , the acquisition of Oxford Ionics as a cause .
Speaker #18: Is that just the , you know , the lawyers saying you have to say that or is it substantive ?
Speaker #13: No .
Speaker #8: We are required to and we do disclose the acquisitions as we have . I think that if you recall , John , and by the way , John , congrats on your new role .
Speaker #18: Thank you . As we .
Speaker #8: Yes , thank you . I've known you for what , three decades ?
Speaker #18: Yes , I think .
Speaker #13: So .
Speaker #8: The thing is that the acquisition of IonQ, Inc. of by ionq of Oxford accelerated our roadmap by two years plus . And for us , this was getting our solutions to market faster .
Speaker #8: Of course . But also leveraging the the semiconductor ecosystem . And that should not be underestimated . The ability to actually leverage 128 nanometer type nodes , which are mature nodes , lower cost available .
Speaker #8: So we're not fighting for capacity at TSMC , for example , allows us to get things done faster , scales more quickly , at lower cost .
Speaker #8: So yes , I mean , the disclosures are there for for all the right reasons . The point is , it's already integrated .
Speaker #8: This is our roadmap . And to be clear , as you're thinking about 2026 revenues , our fifth generation machine is at the heart of our 2026 , as we think about it .
Speaker #8: And the 256 qubit machine , as soon as that's ready to deploy in the market , we will do so as well . So we are doing this in a way where the transition from our organic sort of development of the quantum machine that we have been perfecting up to the fifth generation seamlessly moves to the 256 and yes , the amazing stats that Chris just went through and what the potential is to unlock protein folding sources of other chronic diseases , battery chemistry .
Speaker #8: It's limitless and we will make sure that we maintain our focus on the most important of those applications ourselves . And then work with other partners to deliver the rest .
Speaker #8: That's the ecosystem . Comments that we were making earlier . .
Speaker #18: Got it . Thank you .
Speaker #3: This concludes the question and answer session . I would now like to turn the conference back over to Niccolo Masi for chairman and CEO for closing remarks .
Speaker #5: As you heard , we are confident ink is head and shoulders the leading player in quantum computing , not only because of our existing tempo systems , but our historic 99.99% fidelity and clear path to full , fault tolerance .
Speaker #5: Electronic qubit control systems and record low unit economics , Inc. stands alone as the only quantum platform with the breadth and depth of integrated solutions across quantum computing .
Speaker #5: Quantum networking , quantum sensing , and quantum security . We are on a clear trajectory to deliver critical quantum cyber security infrastructure , ultra precise quantum navigation , and quantum timing solutions .
Speaker #5: The mass market commercialization of previously unimaginable quantum computing power will always be at the heart of our mission . Our relentless focus is on manufacturability and driving mass market adoption of our quantum ecosystem .
Speaker #5: Software is also an increasing focus for us as we expand beyond the hardware and aim to make our leading quantum solutions the most accessible and practical for customers worldwide.
Speaker #5: Real world advantage via commercial applications combined with urgent national security needs . Are catapulting Ionq's quantum solutions into the foreground with our nation and allies .
Speaker #5: We are the largest pure play quantum company by any measure . Revenue , patents , FDS , balance sheet , market capitalization . As I enqueue scales , to 2 million physical qubits , we expect to ignite growth in new application ideas , use cases and software creativity that has not been seen since the dawn of personal computing in the 1980s , and 90s , or mobile computing in the 20 tens .
Speaker #5: We are tremendously excited to be leading the quantum age . Thank you all for your time today and have a great week !