Q3 2025 Evolus Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #4: Good afternoon . Everyone , and thank you for standing by . Welcome to Evolus, Inc. third quarter earnings conference call . If you require operator assistance during the conference , please press star zero .

Speaker #4: As a reminder , today's conference is being recorded and webcast live . All participants are in a listen only mode . After the speakers remarks , there will be a question and answer session .

Speaker #4: I would now like to turn the conference over to Nareg Sagherian Vice President and Head of Global Investor Relations and Corporate Communications . Please go ahead .

Speaker #5: Thank you . Operator and welcome to everyone joining us on today's call to review third quarter financial results . Our third quarter press release is now on our website at com .

Speaker #5: With me today are David Moatazedi President and Chief Executive Officer Tatiana Mitchell . Chief Financial Officer and Rui Avelar Chief Medical officer and head of R&D .

Speaker #5: Today's call will include forward looking statements . Actual results may differ materially due to risks and uncertainties outlined in our earnings press release , and SEC filings .

Speaker #5: These forward looking statements are based on current assumptions , and we undertake no obligation to update them . Additionally , we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures .

Speaker #5: These measures should be considered in addition to , and not as a substitute for , our GAAP results . A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today's earnings release .

Speaker #5: As a reminder , our earnings release and SEC filings are available on the SEC's website and on our Investor Relations website . Following the conclusion of today's call , a replay will be available on our website at investors .

Speaker #5: Com . With that , I'll turn the call over to our CEO , David Moatazedi . Thank you .

Speaker #6: And good afternoon , everyone . Before we begin , I'd like to take a moment to welcome Tatiana Mitchell as our new Chief Financial Officer .

Speaker #6: Tatiana brings deep financial and operational expertise to Eveleth , and she has made an immediate impact as we strengthen our focus on efficiency and long term growth .

Speaker #6: The third quarter marks an important transition for Eveleth . And before I discuss the results , I want to take a moment to recognize the outstanding efforts of our team over the past year .

Speaker #6: We've successfully created or expanded a number of capabilities , solidifying the foundation for long term growth . Most notably , our medical education platform has evolved into a comprehensive training ecosystem working with world renowned experts in the field of aesthetics to engage more than 17,000 injectors year to date through cadaver labs in hands on sessions , mobile training with our Eveleth spots across 100 events and digital webcasts .

Speaker #6: Our consumer loyalty program has now grown to more than 1.3 million members , up 34% year on year , with nearly 70% returning customers , underscoring the strength of our consumer engagement .

Speaker #6: Our first in class co-branded media program has reached over 1800 accounts year to date and generated over 300 million media impressions through digital , billboard and streaming campaigns , further amplifying awareness of the brand .

Speaker #6: Our launch is off to an incredible start to date , more than 4000 customers have completed hands on training , and the majority have purchased devices .

Speaker #6: One of the key insights we've learned is that first training builds familiarity and comfort with the product . While the second training is what drives meaningful adoption .

Speaker #6: In fact , 75% of revenue comes from accounts that have participated in hands on training , and we've seen 100% increase in purchasing volume when an account is trained a second time .

Speaker #6: This clearly underscores the value of continued education in building product confidence and driving consistent use . Internationally , we entered two new markets this year and our mature markets are continuing to grow at a very high rate in the UK , our most mature , direct market , we estimate that our market share closely mirrors the share uptake we experienced in the US following launch .

Speaker #6: Lastly , despite the headwinds in the US aesthetic market , Jeuveau continues to outperform the category with unit volume growing year to date and on track to continue that trajectory in a market that remains down single digits this year .

Speaker #6: Our above market performance and disciplined expense management have positioned us to enter the next phase of our growth trajectory , achieving profitability in the fourth quarter of 2025 and positioning us for sustainable annual profitability beginning in 2026 .

Speaker #6: We've rebased our expenses with the benefits reflected in our third quarter results and remain well positioned to deliver sustainable profitability . While the aesthetic market continues to face near-term challenges related to consumer spending , we're encouraged by early signs of stabilization and expect demand for injectables to continue to improve sequentially .

Speaker #6: Against this backdrop , Eveleth continues to deliver results that demonstrate the strength of our strategy and the resilience of our brand . In the third quarter , our revenue increased 13% due to strong global demand and meaningful early contribution from Evolis in the US .

Speaker #6: Following a challenging second quarter , global performance in the third quarter reflected healthy demand as the business experienced sequential revenue growth in what is typically a seasonally lower quarter .

Speaker #6: Jabot sales benefited from positive unit growth both in the US and internationally , supported by record consumer demand through our Evolis rewards program .

Speaker #6: As the market strengthens and the overall toxin category returns to growth , Jabot is poised to regain healthy momentum . We strengthened our 14% share of the US market year to date , reinforcing the synergy within our portfolio and our differentiated positioning as a leader in performance , beauty .

Speaker #6: With Evolis , we continue to lay the foundation for adoption and scale , delivering 5.7 million revenue in the third quarter and 15.5 million since launch , marking the strongest Ha filler debut in over a decade .

Speaker #6: Demand for Evolis increased sequentially over the run rate of approximately 5 million . After factoring for initial stocking . By accounts in our launch quarter , we're particularly excited about the performance of Evolis as feedback from customers has been exceptional , highlighting the product's handling , results and seamless integration in their practice .

Speaker #6: This further validates our beauty first strategy to build a full facial aesthetics portfolio under a single , trusted brand . Through this launch , we targeted our highest volume account and gained valuable insights that will aid us as we now expand our focus to a broader customer base .

Speaker #6: In the fourth quarter , our launch to date strategy was focused on establishing Evolis as a differentiated product independent from Jeuveau , and we intentionally avoided bundling during this initial phase .

Speaker #6: As we approached six months of experience with Evolis on the market and as practices are now planning for the new year , the fourth quarter is the right time to bring the value of our two portfolios .

Speaker #6: Products together . This quarter , we have introduced our first Evolis Portfolio Bundle , designed to reward practices that grow across both Jeuveau and Evolis .

Speaker #6: This initiative enables us to compete more directly against competitive bundles and drive market share gains across the portfolio . In the third quarter , we expanded our customer base by adding nearly 500 new purchasing accounts , bringing our total to more than 17,000 2000 , of which are now also purchasing Evolis .

Speaker #6: Our Evolis rewards consumer loyalty program remains a central growth driver , fueling both repeat use and brand engagement . Total redemptions grew 34% compared to the prior year quarter .

Speaker #6: New redemptions for the quarter were a record 244,000, of which approximately 68% came from existing consumers. Jeuveau and our efforts are building lasting consumer loyalty, which fuels the sustainable growth and profitability of our portfolio.

Speaker #6: In parallel with our commercial execution , we achieved a key regulatory milestone with the submission of our PMA to the US . FDA for sculpt our advanced injectable Hal for mid-stage volume restoration .

Speaker #6: We expect the FDA review to follow the standard PMA pathway with potential approval anticipated in the second half of 2026 . We also remain on track for a broader launch of Esteem in Europe .

Speaker #6: In the first half of 2026 , before I close , I'd like to address the recent developments related to tariffs we've taken proactive measures to mitigate potential tariff impacts on pharmaceuticals , including jeuveau .

Speaker #6: We will provide additional clarity once a trade agreement with South Korea and pharmaceutical tariffs are finalized. But the current timeline gives us a valuable window to strategically plan and prepare for any changes.

Speaker #6: We remain confident in our ability to navigate these dynamics effectively without disruption to our customers or our financial performance . In summary , our third quarter results reflect above market growth , financial discipline , and the early benefits of our expanding portfolio .

Speaker #6: With Jabo performing steadily, building scale esteem on track for launch in 2026 and a resetting of our expense base, Atlas remains well positioned to achieve sustainable profitability and long-term growth.

Speaker #6: With that , I'll turn it over to Rui for an update on our recent submission .

Speaker #7: Thank you . David . Since the launch of form and Smooth here in the US , the feedback continues to be consistent . This line of gels are described as being efficient in that a given amount of product goes a long way .

Speaker #7: They have a low inflammatory profile and are very versatile on the development side , sculpt is our injectable that targets the premium mid-face volume market and is currently making its way through the FDA process .

Speaker #7: In August , the first disclosure of the data was presented . The study compared sculpt to wrestling lift in a prospective double blind , randomized trial and enroll 304 patients in a 3 to 1 ratio .

Speaker #7: Using a validated five point scale . Patients with moderate , severe , or extreme mid-face volume deficit were eligible for treatment . Then followed for 24 months .

Speaker #7: The primary endpoint was Non-inferiority design , measured at six months and looked at the difference in mean change in Mid-face volume deficit scores .

Speaker #7: After treatment , patients were treated in the cheek area and the mean volume of Ha product used was 1.8ml per cheek , or 3.7ml per patient .

Speaker #7: The primary endpoint of inferiority was met with the difference in favor of sculpt . The confidence in intervals demonstrated both noninferiority and statistical superiority .

Speaker #7: The corresponding p value also demonstrated statistical superiority at less than 0.001 . The secondary endpoint looked at responder rates of each treated cheek , defined as at least a one point improvement on the scale at six months , 83% of cheeks treated with restroom lift were responders , compared to 91% in the sculpt group with the p value that reached the level of statistical significance at 0.015 .

Speaker #7: Following the patients over the course of two years , there was a pattern of increasing separation across the efficacy metrics over time between the two groups , favoring at sculpt over the control .

Speaker #7: A one point change on the validated volume deficit scale represents a clinically meaningful improvement . Looking at patients with at least a one point change , as assessed by the blinded evaluator at 24 months , or the study's end , 8% of lift patients were responders , compared to 29% of skull patients over a three fold difference at the end of two years , the pattern was similar when looking at the global aesthetic Improvement Scale as assessed by the patient themselves .

Speaker #7: At 24 months . 13% of lift patients responders , compared to 29% of skull patients . Treatment related adverse events between the two groups were similar 18.7% for lift and 19.7% for sculpt , and there were no treatment related .

Speaker #7: Serious adverse events in either of the groups . During the trial . As mentioned , the PMA for sculpt was submitted in the third quarter of this year and we anticipate FDA approval in the second half of 2026 .

Speaker #7: Lastly , the lift Ha injectable trial is fully enrolled ongoing , and we anticipate its approval and launch in 2027 . With that , I'll turn it over to Tatiana to walk you through the financial details .

Speaker #5: Thank you . Rui .

Speaker #8: And thank you , David , for the warm welcome over the past 60 days . I have had the opportunity to get to know the team and spend time with some of our customers .

Speaker #8: It's been energizing to see firsthand what makes this company unique , and I wanted to share a few observations before we move into the results .

Speaker #8: First , Everlost has a highly differentiated business model as a cash pay focused company in a multibillion dollar aesthetics market , we have built meaningful relationships with both customers and consumers .

Speaker #8: Our ability to connect with both groups , driving customer growth and retention while deepening consumer loyalty gives us a multitude of levers to drive performance .

Speaker #8: Based on my experience and scale , consumer businesses , Evolus is still in the early stages of realizing our full potential . Second , the fundamentals of our business are strong .

Speaker #8: We have built productive , long term partnerships with Daewoong and Smith's and our expense base has been successfully rebased following the second quarter , all while continuing to deliver on our revenue targets .

Speaker #8: This positions us well to drive operating leverage and profitability . Going forward . Third , we operate in a high growth category with long term secular tailwinds .

Speaker #8: Our strategy of building a facial aesthetics portfolio under one trusted brand provides a strong foundation for continued expansion and innovation . We are confident in delivering profitability with our current portfolio while actively pursuing strategic business development opportunities to expand our pipeline .

Speaker #8: And finally , I've been impressed by the strength of the Evolus, Inc. culture , the grit and focus on impact that I have seen across the organization are what makes me confident in our ability to deliver on our long term goals .

Speaker #8: I am joining Evelyn at a pivotal moment , one where the foundation is strong . The opportunity is clear , and the team is focused on execution .

Speaker #8: I look forward to partnering with David and the leadership team to drive profitable growth and long term value for our shareholders . With that , I am pleased to share our third quarter financial results .

Speaker #8: Global net revenue for the third quarter was 69 million , a 13% increase over the third quarter of 2024 . Sales growth in the third quarter was driven by a combination of the introduction of Evolus, Inc. and growth in global jeuveau , and on a sequential basis , sales growth in the third quarter was driven by accelerating demand for Jeuveau , increasing underlying demand for Evali and continued strength in the international business .

Speaker #8: Net revenue for the third quarter of 2025 included 63.2 million of global revenue and 5.7 million of revenue . Our reported gross margin for the third quarter was 66.5% , and adjusted gross margin was 67.6% , which excludes the amortization of intangibles .

Speaker #8: Earlier , we touched on the topic of tariffs . There have been recent announcements related to potential tariffs on pharmaceutical products at this time .

Speaker #8: The impact on Jeuveau is still being evaluated pending additional guidance by the administration . Current inventory levels will sustain us through the first quarter of 2026 and therefore , she will not be subject to any near-term tariff impact separately , under the recently announced trade agreement with the European Union , that release is subject to a 15% tariff that began August 7th .

Speaker #8: This year , has been fully incorporated into our outlook and has a minimal impact on our financials . We continue to actively monitor global trade agreements and remain focused on mitigating any potential future exposure , while ensuring stable supply for our customers .

Speaker #8: Moving now to operating expenses , GAAP operating expenses for the third quarter were 57.3 million , up from 55.5 million in the second quarter .

Speaker #8: As a note on the sequential comparison , Q2 2025 GAAP operating expenses benefited from a 3.9 million reduction related to the revaluation of the contingent royalty obligations .

Speaker #8: non-GAAP operating expenses for the third quarter were 49.7 million , compared to 54 million in the second quarter . As a reminder , non-GAAP operating expenses exclude stock based compensation revaluation of the contingent royalty obligation and depreciation and amortization this quarter , non-GAAP operating expenses also exclude 1.4 million in restructuring charges , primarily consisting of one time severance benefits for impacted employees .

Speaker #8: These restructuring expenses are related to the strategic cost structure optimization announced in August . Within operating expenses , selling , general and administrative expenses for the third quarter were 52.8 million , compared to 56.7 million in the second quarter .

Speaker #8: This included 5 million of non-cash stock based compensation , compared to 4.3 million in the prior quarter . non-GAAP operating loss in the third quarter was 3.1 million , compared to non-GAAP operating loss of 6.7 million in Q3 of 2020 .

Speaker #8: For the better than expected third quarter result was due to operating expense reduction and in part to the timing of our largest customer event of the year , which moves from Q3 to Q4 as a result of this timing shift , the associated costs of the customer event will be recognized in the fourth quarter , rather than the third .

Speaker #8: While the full year impact remains unchanged . Both non-GAAP operating expenses and non-GAAP operating income exclude stock based compensation expense . Revaluation of the Contingent royalty obligation , depreciation and amortization , and restructuring charges .

Speaker #8: non-GAAP operating income also excludes amortization of intangible assets . Turning to the balance sheet , we ended the third quarter with 43.5 million in cash as compared with 61.7 million at the end of the second quarter .

Speaker #8: The decrease in cash during the quarter was primarily driven by our decision to pull forward inventory purchases ahead of potential tariffs on pharmaceuticals .

Speaker #8: Looking ahead , underpinned by our strong third quarter performance , our outlook for 2025 remains unchanged and includes the following . Reiterating total net revenue between 295 million and 305 million , representing 11% to 15% growth over 2024 results .

Speaker #8: We continue to expect revenue contribution to be between 10% and 12% of total revenue for the full year 2025 . Full year . non-GAAP operating expenses to remain between 208 million and 213 million .

Speaker #8: non-GAAP operating income between 5,000,007 million in Q4 2025 , which includes the timing of costs related to our customer event that shifted from the third quarter to the fourth quarter .

Speaker #8: In addition to our continued expectation to achieve profitability in the fourth quarter of 2025 , we also remain on track to achieve sustainable annual profitability beginning in 2026 .

Speaker #8: With that , I will now turn the call back to David for closing comments .

Speaker #6: Thank you Tatiana . Amid a challenging macro backdrop , our double digit growth reflects the strength of our business fundamentals and the consistency of our execution .

Speaker #6: We're a company operating with focus and efficiency , maintaining financial discipline while advancing on one of the most differentiated injectable pipelines in aesthetics .

Speaker #6: As we move into the fourth quarter , we're deepening customer engagement with the introduction of our Evolus, Inc. portfolio bundle , which aligns incentives and drives growth across our injectable portfolio .

Speaker #6: With Jabot in the number three share position and gaining on the market leader in the early stages of scaling and a theme set to launch in Europe in the first half of 2026 .

Speaker #6: We are well positioned to deliver sustainable growth , profitability and long term shareholder value . Operator you may now begin the Q&A .

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Speaker #4: Thank you . Our first question comes from the line of Annabel Sammy with Stifel . Please proceed .

Speaker #9: Guys , thanks for taking my question and great recovery on the quarter . I just wanted to ask you some questions about , I guess , the filler dynamic on Evolis .

Speaker #9: How much of what you're seeing for Evolis includes a headwind for stocking versus seasonality versus , say , market sentiment ? I guess maybe some macro commentary could be useful here , like , you know , for example , has sentiment shifted ?

Speaker #9: Is sentiment still poor for fillers, or are you seeing meaningful headwinds from free product for injectors to trial? And could you potentially quantify any of this? And I guess from here, can you sort of give us a better sense of what we can expect of the cadence?

Speaker #9: And then just a that was a lot of questions , but one more on this , I guess you mentioned there were about 4000 trained and 2000 have adopted a valise .

Speaker #9: Do you have any metrics for the time that it takes to go from like , say , first training to second training to , to second training into adoption ?

Speaker #9: How should we think about the conversion of those patients or those physicians who have initially trained ? Thanks .

Speaker #7: Great .

Speaker #6: All really good questions . Annabelle . Around Evolis . And I'll try to maybe dimensionalize it for you in just a minute . If we take a couple steps back , the one thing I'd say is when we launched , we focused initially on our core customers , and I'm really proud that in our first six months , when we look at our Jabot revenue , half of our revenue for Jabo is purchased .

Speaker #6: So I think our focus on that customer set has been very productive for us . To your point , the recipe that we've uncovered that's been effective is to expose them to the product through our sales force , bring them in for training .

Speaker #6: One live hands on training is very useful for them to have enough confidence to start trialing the product in their patients , but it really is consistently that second training that changes from trialing the product or dabbling with it , to turning it into an adopter .

Speaker #6: And that is really the key insight that we gained over the last couple of quarters. With this product, we see a significant inflection point in those clinics.

Speaker #6: When they get through that second training, as you can imagine, the first quarter that we launched, we had very few that actually had the opportunity to get trained two times.

Speaker #6: And so we started to see that more in the third quarter . And you could expect a number of those trainings . Second trainings are booked in the fourth quarter .

Speaker #6: That's a very significant part of the uptake within our core group . The second is in the fourth quarter . Now that we've learned this product , and keep in mind , the US is the first market that's launched .

Speaker #6: So we're relying on our learnings here in the US to continue to adapt our launch . We've now opened the door for us to go wider beyond our current customer base .

Speaker #6: And so you'll see the results from us being able to replicate what we've done over the first six months with our core customer group to a broader audience of customers .

Speaker #6: That's the second . And then lastly , as you pointed out , on the full year , the Ha market , as we've read reports from our peers in the space , the market is down double digits .

Speaker #6: It continues to be relatively challenged , partly due to the macro environment at the same time , Q3 is the seasonally low period for injectables as well .

Speaker #6: So you sort of have a compounding effect , if you will , in that's unique to the third quarter . Whereas in contrast , the fourth quarter , we expect will be the strongest quarter of the year .

Speaker #6: And will be now three quarters into our launch . So as you think about our guide for the full year , it reflects those market dynamics of the fourth quarter being sort of culmination of six months of experience .

Speaker #6: Aki learnings on the product and the benefit of the seasonality , working favorably for us .

Speaker #9: Okay , great . Thank you .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from the line of Mark Goodman with leading partners . Please proceed .

Speaker #10: Hi , everyone . This is Alyssa Larios on for Mark Goodman . Just a few questions from us . Could you comment on the usage trends between LV smooth and Form and how those two different product lines are being used across the consumer base ?

Speaker #10: And then can you give us an update on the advertising campaign and remind us exactly what channels you're using , whether it's DTC or going directly to the clinics themselves ?

Speaker #10: And then finally , you mentioned that you intentionally avoided bundling the filler and toxin in the initial phase . I'm just curious what the rationale was for doing that .

Speaker #10: If you can walk us through your thought process , that's it . Thank you .

Speaker #7: Great .

Speaker #6: Why don't I start with bundling the advertising, and then I'll comment on the usage of the form? And I'd like to add his color because both you and I have spent a lot of time with customers trying to understand how they do.

Speaker #6: Physician . And there are some interesting insights there . So just on the bundling piece , it became very clear to us as we were preparing for the launch of Evali that customers weren't looking for us to bring in new product to market and sort of force it on them , because they're customers that use our primary product , Jeuveau and instead following a number of advisory board meetings and looking at prior product launches , we chose to take a different route , which is let the product stand on its own and allow these customers a period of multiple quarters to learn through the product .

Speaker #6: Before we start to think about bringing our portfolio together . So it was very deliberate in the first quarter that we launched . The product was entirely independent .

Speaker #6: In the second quarter , we introduced consumer loyalty . We didn't want to introduce that too early . We wanted accounts to get comfort with the usage of the product .

Speaker #6: Before we exposed consumers to the loyalty benefits . And now in our third quarter , following launch , it's now the right time .

Speaker #6: Where customers are asking us about what the future of our portfolio is . As you can imagine , they are currently partnered with the larger companies and they commit to these larger portfolio purchases as part of their ongoing commitment to gain better pricing .

Speaker #6: Today by keeping them independent . There's no advantage to bringing the full portfolio under Evolus, Inc. , so we provided this growth portfolio bundle offering in the fourth quarter as our first test of how we'll bring the portfolios together , and this will carry through into next year .

Speaker #6: And so this is our first attempt at doing that . And I can tell you that we tested it in one of our larger customer meetings that Tatiana mentioned .

Speaker #6: That was a result of the phasing of spend in the Q4 . And it was very , very successful in terms of the the reception reception .

Speaker #6: We got to it on the DTC side , our strategy is more focused around co-branded media . So all of the advertising we do is surrounding each clinic individually , and we've been able to build a model with Eviless where we do personalization at scale .

Speaker #6: And part of the personalization is around our co-branded media in the form of streaming TV spots , billboards within local markets , and the heaviest portion of it is digital media .

Speaker #6: That could be social . It could be search , and it does vary by market . And as I said , there are over 1400 accounts that have participated in our co-branded media benefits .

Speaker #6: So it's not an insignificant portion of our customer base , but they have to meet certain purchasing criteria to gain those benefits . And so and then lastly , on the usage of smooth and form , both products have the same indication , which is the nasolabial fold .

Speaker #6: But the properties of the gel are very different . And we're learning more and more about their personalities as injectors are generally purchasing both , we have very few that are entirely using one or the other , mainly because the properties are smoother .

Speaker #6: That's a softer gel , whereas the forum product provides more structure . And so our label may be limited nasolabial fold . But of course the usage expands beyond that .

Speaker #6: And so what we're hearing consistently is where they're looking for a product to fill in areas more , to create more of a smoothing effect .

Speaker #6: That's where they're leaning towards smooth and where they're looking for greater structure and product . That's where they're reaching for the form . But I'll transfer it to .

Speaker #7: I'm going to paraphrase a little bit , the indications actually broader , the indication is medium to deep wrinkles and folds and the nasolabial fold is one example of that .

Speaker #7: You can also go into the marionette lines . And if you look under that lower lip , sometimes there's a deep fold in there .

Speaker #7: It's called the submental fold . And there's a lot of versatility with these products . And when a clinician looks at a wrinkle or a fold , for example , and nasolabial folds , one example , they can look at it strategically and think , I'm taking all the attributes of this patient .

Speaker #7: Are they Are they heavy skin quality ? All these different things . And if their strategy is to try to use something more superficially , then they'll reach for smooth .

Speaker #7: It's got a rheological profile that's very soft, and you can bring it up very superficially. If the strategy is different and you want to create a little bit more lift, and you need some more lifting power, your strategy is going to be deeper.

Speaker #7: So you go into form and sometimes you combine the two , you layer them , you want something with more lift underneath and you want to smooth it out .

Speaker #7: So thin ? lines and off label here in the United States . But we're living in a global environment and people understand that that product can be used .

Speaker #7: So superficially that it'll be used in perioral lines . And the other thing that's come in that's been very interesting is , is a recurrent comment that these gels are incredibly efficient and what they typically say is I reach for a gel and I may go for something that needs more lift , such as a form , and I get undone .

Speaker #7: And I still have product left over . And this product is so forgiving that I can continue to treat different parts of the area , or even go superficial .

Speaker #7: An area that typically couldn't with with the gel that has these properties . So that's been the feedback so far for us . That was kind of reassuring because it was very consistent with the feedback we got before we brought the product on , and that's always nice to see that confirmation .

Speaker #10: Excellent . Thank you so much .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from the line of Navon tie with BNP Paribas . Please proceed .

Speaker #11: Hi . Good evening . First , can you discuss in more detail the Q3 actions underlying the sequential growth for Jeuveau ? Despite the seasonality , including that Evolus day event and practices support and potential promotional activities , and whether you expect similar actions in Q4 , such as the 11th day and then second , we know that AbbVie commented on their Q3 call that their middle income customers for Botox are on the sidelines .

Speaker #11: So can you discuss the early signs of consumer stabilization that you are seeing ? Thank you .

Speaker #6: Sure . Thanks for the question , Navon . I think what we saw in the second quarter , as we commented before , was a unique point at the end of the quarter where we saw pullback in customer purchasing .

Speaker #6: That was really unique to the second quarter that we hadn't observed before . We did not see that dynamic in the third . We maintained a consistent promotional effort .

Speaker #6: And we always do both on the consumer side through our loyalty platform where we did engage consumers that we saw stretching their intervals between treatment with a way to bring them back down , back into their normal routine .

Speaker #6: We also were able to do some things in the market around the clinics with partnerships . We did have a partnership with a consumer magazine , allure , where there was a gift with purchase that consumers were able to partner with us on .

Speaker #6: That did drive a lot of interest in our product . And then , of course , now as we enter the fourth quarter , as you pointed out , this is our annual 11 day , which kicks off towards the end of October .

Speaker #6: And it's we're in the middle of it now , and it's a very important phase for us as our customers look at that annually .

Speaker #11: Thank you .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from the line of Uvere with Mizuho Securities . Please proceed .

Speaker #12: Hey , guys . Yeah , congrats on the positive quarter here . Yeah . So maybe a question on what could you maybe just tell us the split between us and ex-US sales for Jeuveau and maybe also kind of help us understand , you know , I think you indicated that you strengthened your 14% market share .

Speaker #12: Maybe just help us understand what you mean by that . And . As well as , you know what ? What are you kind of seeing , I guess , in terms of your , your customer base , who are , you know , who who could be different from what AbbVie , the customer base that AbbVie or , or Galderma have .

Speaker #12: Thanks .

Speaker #6: Yeah . Let's start with what we're seeing in terms of just overall in the market , you know , obviously , the only two companies that report down the revenue and break out that level of detail is both US and Abbey .

Speaker #6: So through that , what we see is a market that in the third quarter , likely declined by some small degree . And we continue to outpace .

Speaker #6: When you look at our year to date . Jeuveau in a declining market , we've grown in terms of units , what's probably most promising is you see our consumer rewards data , where the overall redemptions , that's consumers going in getting treated and earning their $40 off .

Speaker #6: It's up over 30% year on year . So we continue to see very healthy demand for the product in these clinics . And we're continuing to we believe , improve our presence there .

Speaker #6: Now that all at the same time , we're establishing these clinics . So overall , we feel very good about how Jeuveau is performed out of the third quarter .

Speaker #6: And we hope to see that momentum continue . The second part was , yeah , that was the 14% . Yeah . Yeah .

Speaker #6: As far as we don't do segment reporting on on the toxin business . So unfortunately we won't be able to give you that color .

Speaker #6: But we did in the script make the comment that both the US and in the international business are growing positive in terms of units , year to date .

Speaker #6: So I think it gives you some color around . There's growth happening on both sides . On top of that list .

Speaker #12: Okay . Can I sneak in another question . You know , you you're now going to bundle the product . Maybe just help us understand the potential synergies that you could get from this .

Speaker #12: Do you expect you know , and some of the accounts I think you're heavily penetrated . And in terms of jeuveau , do you expect greater , you know , significantly greater penetration there , or do you think the synergies will work sort of will be greater synergies in terms of of just help us understand the dynamic and the potential and the magnitude .

Speaker #12: Thanks .

Speaker #6: Yeah , I think my view is the portfolio bundle is a long play for us . This is a very early innings . We've been operating as a single product company and without a bundle for seven years .

Speaker #6: And you've seen us establish Jeuveau as the fastest growing brand for the majority of those years since we entered the market . And we're the first company to break through the double digit mark outside of the initial two players to enter the space .

Speaker #6: We do believe this is a meaningful opportunity for Jeuveau . There are countless conversations that we've had with clinics where there's your vote usage is limited by the downside risk .

Speaker #6: They have by moving over more of their share to us on their total purchasing with some of the competitive products , the idea of a bundle unlocks and alleviates some of that pressure .

Speaker #6: And I think the reason I say it's a longer term endeavor is because scope further unlocks it , because it's further expands our portfolio within the Ha space , which is an important part of continuing to move more of their business over .

Speaker #6: So I view the fourth quarter as the first of many quarters to come where we'll start talking a little bit more about the advantage of the portfolio .

Speaker #12: Okay . Thank you .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from the line of Douglas Zhao with H.C. Ren Wright . Please proceed .

Speaker #6: Hi .

Speaker #13: Good afternoon and congrats on the progress . David . I guess I'm just curious , have you seen that effect yet in the marketplace ?

Speaker #13: Meaning sort of accounts that were perhaps not purchasing Jeuveau because they were very defensive around sort of the bundle with Allergan or AbbVie .

Speaker #13: And now are beginning to be able to purchase Jeuveau as well as if Elise . Or is that more of the sort of a conversation that you're starting to have ?

Speaker #6: Yeah , we have had a combination of both inbound interest from accounts that weren't working with us on Jeuveau , and they're interested in and that opens the door for us to begin partnering with them .

Speaker #6: Now , keep in mind , it is still early . So some of those could be dabblers that will continue to expand their presence .

Speaker #6: And as a result of that , they've started to dabble with Jeuveau . So that's one group of customers . Another group are customers that have been somewhat moderate users of Jeuveau .

Speaker #6: And now with they're looking at us differently and consistently in the conversation is the idea of having a midface product that bringing in a differentiated midface product , which is a big gap in a lot of portfolios in our industry , is going to be a significant point in time to do that .

Speaker #6: So we viewed this , if you will , in three stages , right ? The first six months was establishing Ivelisse . The next six months is starting to establish our portfolio value proposition .

Speaker #6: And then opening the doors to follow as sculpt gets to approval . And then we can we can really use that entire bundle to start to take advantage of it .

Speaker #6: So we've been deliberate about how we try to roll these out , especially to support our customers who helped us get here .

Speaker #13: And if and as a follow up , David , I'm just curious on the co-branded marketing side , is Jeuveau remaining the focal point or have you had accounts inquire or begin to actually do co-branded marketing where Evolus is the focus ?

Speaker #6: Yeah . So the third quarter , we started to put out co-branded media on some of those co-branded media ads , had mentions of weight loss , as you know , we're the only hyaluronic acid that has mention of weight loss in our label .

Speaker #6: There's a lot of interest . Some of those are billboards now sitting around the US , some of them are digital media . And that was one that many .

Speaker #4: Apologies . We were experiencing technical difficulties . Please hold . Sorry about that . We're back .

Speaker #14: Hello .

Speaker #5: Yep . We're back . Doug .

Speaker #13: Oh , hi . Yeah , I think David , we lost you midstream about the co-branded marketing .

Speaker #6: Yeah , my only comment there was we are seeing co-branded marketing on Evolis in the form of billboards , as well as digital with a number of them having the mention of weight loss , which is unique to our product .

Speaker #6: And as we mentioned on a prior call , the more you purchase from , the more co-branded media dollars you earn . And then our team works with those clinics to choose which products they want to highlight between the two .

Speaker #6: Jabot and Evolis . And we started to introduce it in the third quarter in the market , and it's going to continue to rise as we enter the fourth quarter .

Speaker #13: Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from the line of Serge Bélanger with Needham and Company . Please proceed .

Speaker #15: Hi . Good afternoon David . First question is on ordering patterns . Like you mentioned earlier , volumes and size of order kind of dropped off at the end of the second quarter .

Speaker #15: Just curious what impact that had on inventory levels and your overall ordering pattern throughout . Three Q and maybe what you've seen in the early part of the four Q right now ?

Speaker #15: Secondly , I think Tatiana mentioned that the the customer event was moved from three Q to four Q . I imagine that's the 11 day promo .

Speaker #15: 11 . Yeah , 11 day promotion . What impact did that have on OpEx , and could that be another tailwind for four ?

Speaker #15: Q Jeuveau sales ? Thanks .

Speaker #4: The line is speaker line is still muted . Apologies . Looks like we're experiencing more technical difficulties . Please hold . Apologies for the delay .

Speaker #4: I have the speakers back up .

Speaker #8: Serge , can .

Speaker #15: You let me .

Speaker #8: Know where we cut off ? Can you let me know where my response cut .

Speaker #16: Off ?

Speaker #15: I don't think we heard your response at all .

Speaker #8: Okay , apologies . We are dealing with some technical difficulties , but we are back on so . So the question was around the customer event that moved from Q3 to Q4 .

Speaker #8: That was the summit that we have for our largest customers . It was not D11 state promotion . So the 11 day promotion , as David said , kicked off at the end of October and is currently underway .

Speaker #8: And so there's no change in promotional cadence or any impact on revenue .

Speaker #15: Okay .

Speaker #6: And to your second part of your question around purchasing patterns , Serge , a couple of things that we pointed out coming out of the Q2 earnings call .

Speaker #6: One is that accounts were drawing down their inventory , and we expected that to continue through the third quarter . And so what we were seeing were accounts that are carrying less inventory and purchasing more on an on demand basis versus placing a larger volume orders that they had been placing before .

Speaker #6: But collectively , we saw them coming through strong just over the course of more orders rather than the bigger volume ones . Now , the fourth quarter is the busiest season , so we do expect that the purchase volumes are generally higher .

Speaker #6: They will be higher than they have been over the past two quarters, but we do expect that inventory levels will continue to be managed carefully in the space as the overall volumes year-on-year.

Speaker #6: You know , we expect the fourth quarter hopefully to be , you know , relatively flat coming off of a depressed base . So we expect it to be relatively stable .

Speaker #15: Okay . Thank you .

Speaker #4: Thank you . Our next question comes from the line of Sam Eber with Btig . Please proceed .

Speaker #17: Hi . Good afternoon . Thanks for taking the questions . Maybe I can move to the tariff mitigation strategies that you called out in the prepared remarks .

Speaker #17: We'd love to hear any more details . I guess you could provide on potential offsets . If we do get tariffs . I know it's a fluid situation , but would love your thoughts there .

Speaker #17: And , you know , maybe as a follow up , you know , if you know , we do get potentially material rates , you know , what's your ability to I guess build in the US manufacture in the US .

Speaker #17: How long something like that could take to build out any thoughts there would be great . Thank you for taking the questions .

Speaker #6: Yeah , Sam , it's a great question on tariffs . Like you , we've also been watching this very closely . And I want to be careful not to get into too much detail here because it's hard to lay out plans when it's not entirely clear yet .

Speaker #6: The Korean Trade agreement is nearing a close , so we're looking forward to seeing that agreement finalized . But the pharmaceutical tariffs and and whether those continue to hold are still not yet clear .

Speaker #6: I can tell you that we have an incredible partnership with our partner , Daewoong in Korea . They're very well aware of the impact of tariffs , the conversations we've had with them , and they've also been very supportive .

Speaker #6: As you see , on one hand , there's been a higher impact on our cash burn as a result of pulling forward inventory into the US that allows us and affords us the luxury of time to be able to get more clarity on some of these unknown items .

Speaker #6: But as you can imagine , we're working through it and scenario planning . So rather than going through each of those scenarios , I can tell you that we have a partner that's committed .

Speaker #6: We have the luxury of time to work through this . And it's still unclear within that range of options , I would just say that we're open to exploring .

Speaker #4: Apologies . Looks like we lost them again . Please hold . Thank you . There are no further questions at this time . I'd like to pass the call back over to Nareg Sagherian for details on an upcoming IR event .

Speaker #4: Nureg .

Speaker #5: We hope to see many of you there . Thank you for joining us today .