Q2 2026 Enersys Earnings Call

Speaker #1: Hello and thank you for standing by . My name is Mark and I will be your conference operator today . At this time , I would like to welcome everyone to the EnerSys and Q2 for year 2026 earnings webcast and Conference call .

Speaker #1: All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise . After the speakers remarks , there will be a question and answer session .

Speaker #1: If you would like to ask a question during this time , press Star , then the number one on your telephone keypad . And to withdraw your question , press star one again .

Speaker #1: Now I would like to turn the call over to Lisa Langella , vice president of Investor relations and corporate Communications . Please go ahead .

Speaker #2: Good morning , everyone . Thank you for joining us today to discuss EnerSys fiscal second quarter results . On the call with me are Sean EnerSys , President and Chief Executive Officer .

Speaker #2: And Andy EnerSys , executive vice president and chief Financial officer . Last evening , we published our second quarter results with the SEC , which are available on our website .

Speaker #2: We also posted slides that we will be referring to during this call . The slides are available on the presentations page within the Investor Relations section of our website .

Speaker #2: A reminder we will be presenting certain forward looking statements on this call that are subject to uncertainties and changes in circumstances . Our actual results may differ materially from these forward looking statements for a number of reasons .

Speaker #2: These statements are made only as of today . For a list of forward looking statements and factors which could affect our future results , please refer to our recent form 8-K and 10-q filed with the SEC .

Speaker #2: In addition , we will be presenting certain non-GAAP financial measures , particularly concerning our adjusted consolidated operating earnings performance . Free cash flow , adjusted diluted earnings per share , and adjusted EBITDA , which excludes certain items for an explanation of the difference between the GAAP and non-GAAP financial metrics , please see our company's form 8-K , which includes our press release , dated November 5th , 2025 .

Speaker #2: Now , I'll turn the call over to EnerSys CEO Shawn O'Connell .

Speaker #3: Thank you . Lisa , and good morning . Please turn to slide four . During the call today , we will provide an overview of our second quarter results , share progress on our energized strategic framework , update you on the latest demand trends we are seeing in our diverse end markets , and provide guidance for our third quarter .

Speaker #3: Please turn to slide five . Our performance in the second quarter was strong with net sales up 8% year over year . Earnings growth outpaced revenue growth , driven by favorable price mix , more than offsetting higher costs , resulting in both adjusted operating earnings and EBITDA being up 13% .

Speaker #3: Excluding 45 x benefits . Adjusted diluted EPs on our base business was up 15% versus prior year . On the higher earnings , as well as our lower share count .

Speaker #3: Our net sales and adjusted diluted EPs both marked new Q2 records , driven by strong growth in data center , industrial and A&E .

Speaker #3: We are seeing positive trends in the majority of our markets , albeit with some lumpiness . Energy systems led the way this quarter with year over year sales growth seen across all end markets .

Speaker #3: Data center , industrials and communications , as well as continued margin improvement , motive power , improved sequentially but was lower versus prior year .

Speaker #3: As expected on suppressed volumes . Specialty delivered . Notable performance improvement nearing double digit margins on A&E revenue and margin expansion . Free cash flow in the quarter was particularly strong , and we were pleased to return $78 million in capital to our shareholders this quarter through share repurchases and dividends .

Speaker #3: Please turn to slide six . Through our energized strategic framework , we are optimizing our core and invigorating our operating model . And accelerating our growth .

Speaker #3: We are reallocating resources to higher impact projects , and we are focusing on where we have a right to win . We're putting in place the structure that enables our people to focus , specialize and execute with agility and speed .

Speaker #3: We've made great progress over the past two quarters , and I'm excited to update you on these recent highlights . First , the reduction in force actions we announced in July are nearing completion , and support our efforts to rightsize the organization .

Speaker #3: Early benefits are materializing from the 80 million annual cost saving initiative and the realization of these savings will grow in the third and fourth quarters .

Speaker #3: Next , we launched our three Centers of Excellence lead Acid power , electronics , and lithium , which are leveraging innovation and best practices across these critical areas to deliver products faster and lower costs .

Speaker #3: We are already beginning to see ensuing benefits . As an example . Our exceptional performance in energy systems was bolstered by improved agility from our power Electronics Center of Excellence .

Speaker #3: The Coe cut validation time on new components from weeks to days using In-region audits and smarter collaboration . This effort , along with other optimization improvements in our Missouri plants and Psyop , helped us support a major communications customer .

Speaker #3: We delivered a solution within one quarter on an initiative that previously could have taken up to 18 months . This is just one instance of how our transformation initiatives are improving execution and accelerating revenue growth .

Speaker #3: We are also leveraging AI to drive increased efficiency . For example , our lead acid Center of Excellence , has implemented AI trained inspection cameras and software .

Speaker #3: This tool enables us to identify defects in battery plates faster and lower scrap rates . We are increasing our rigor around new product introductions and CapEx investments , reallocating resources to focus on higher return opportunities and executing with greater speed .

Speaker #3: As a data point , our capital spending in the quarter was reduced to 30% to 21 million , from 30 million in Q2 of 25 .

Speaker #3: Even with much of the spend this quarter coming from projects , we started last fiscal year aligned with our new product roadmap for lithium technology , we are evaluating our make versus buy options for our lithium cell supply , which includes our planned lithium cell factory .

Speaker #3: Recent discussions with relevant government officials have been constructive, and we expect to provide an update to you on our new lithium factory plans next quarter.

Speaker #3: Please turn to slide seven . In the second quarter , we fully offset the tariffs realized in our PNL through proactive supply chain actions and pricing strategies .

Speaker #3: As we previously shared, approximately 22% of our US sourcing is from countries affected by direct tariff costs. Our estimated direct tariff exposure is now some $70 million annualized for fiscal year '26.

Speaker #3: This is improved from our prior estimate of 94 million . As a result of supply chain mitigation activities . While we anticipate ongoing volatility and further policy shifts , we remain confident we will be able to fully offset the impact of tariffs to our PNL .

Speaker #3: Our task force continues to proactively mitigate direct and indirect exposure of tariffs . Enhanced supply chain optionality and assess impact on demand . Please turn to slide eight .

Speaker #3: Market uncertainty abated somewhat in the quarter . However , our order book does not yet reflect normalized market conditions . We expect that improving macro conditions and increasing clarity on public policy will continue to support more stable dynamics in the coming quarters .

Speaker #3: Q2 orders pared back sequentially after strong orders in Q1 , which illustrates the dynamic conditions we are currently seeing in the market . In Q2 , backlog and specialty was up , supported by strong demand in and .

Speaker #3: However , backlog was down in motivepower on a mix of tariff uncertainty and a return to pre-COVID buying patterns with levels of book and ship business continuing to increase .

Speaker #3: Energy systems backlog is stable in communications . We are seeing more spending on network refreshes than network expansions . We remain encouraged by the opportunities these customers are reviewing to replace large inventories of older equipment out in the field .

Speaker #3: Data centers continue to be a key growth vector for EnerSys . While deployment timing can vary by project demand . In this market remains strong .

Speaker #3: As part of our strategy to accelerate our growth , we are focusing on opportunities to leverage our leading lead acid market share and expand our share of wallet through new product introductions .

Speaker #3: In this segment . The Data Center market is in the early phase of a multi-year growth cycle , driven by the rise of AI and the increasing need for energy resilience .

Speaker #3: The dynamic geopolitical environment continues to drive an increase in global defense budgets and demand for next-gen power technologies for both tactical and mobile soldier applications. Activity in the quarter was robust, with visibility to increasing sales for upcoming quarters.

Speaker #3: As the government personnel and spend disruptions settle . Although the market remains soft , we saw some improved demand signals in transportation with significant order reflection .

Speaker #3: Both sequentially and year over year . Please turn to slide nine . We are proud to have published our Fiscal Year 2025 Sustainability Report in October , highlighting how we are delivering measurable energy savings , improving efficiency , and reducing costs for EnerSys and our customers .

Speaker #3: It emphasizes our commitment to communities operational excellence and our role in supporting global energy resilience . The report reflects the progress we've made and how our sustainability journey aligns with energize , demonstrating how strategic improvements in energy usage data and systems management drive both efficiency and financial performance .

Speaker #3: My vision for EnerSys is clear to embed sustainability , resilience and operational excellence into every part of our enterprise . These principles are not just strategic , they are foundational to delivering long term value to our customers , communities and shareholders .

Speaker #3: Please turn to slide ten . We are excited to announce that we plan to hold our next Investor Day on June 11th , 2026 , in New York City .

Speaker #3: We look forward to sharing more details and progress on our strategic roadmap and longer term financial targets with you . Then . In summary , our progress this quarter reflects not only strong execution , but also a shared commitment to continuous improvement and collaboration across the company .

Speaker #3: We are positioning EnerSys for long term sustainable success in delivering solutions for our customers and generating value for our shareholders . Now I'll turn it over to Andy to discuss our financial results and outlook in greater detail .

Speaker #3: Andy .

Speaker #4: Thanks , Sean . Please slide 12 . Net sales came in at $951 million , up 8% from prior year . And a record high for our second quarter , driven by a 3% positive impact from organic volumes , 3% positive price mix , a 1% tailwind from FX , and a 1% benefit from Tetronics .

Speaker #4: The sales growth was driven by strength across most of our end markets . We turn to adjusted gross profit of $277 million , up $23 million year on year and up $16 million excluding 45 X benefits .

Speaker #4: Q2 26 adjusted gross margin of 29.1% was up 70 basis points sequentially and up 40 basis points versus the prior year , excluding 45 adjusted gross margin was up 80 basis points sequentially and mostly flat versus the prior year .

Speaker #4: Our adjusted operating earnings were $130 million in the quarter , up $15 million versus prior year , with an adjusted operating margin of achieved 13.6% .

Speaker #4: We had a $40 million benefit from 45 X in the quarter , excluding those benefits , adjusted operating earnings increased $8 million , or 10% , with an adjusted operating margin of 9.5% , up 20 basis points versus the prior year .

Speaker #4: Adjusted EBITDA was $146 million , an increase of $17 million versus the prior year . While adjusted EBITDA margin was 15.3% , up 70 basis points versus prior year .

Speaker #4: Adjusted diluted EPs was $2.56 per share , an increase of 21% over prior year . Excluding 45 , it was $1.51 per share , up 15% versus prior year .

Speaker #4: Both representing record highs for our fiscal second quarter . Our Q2 26 effective tax rate was 10.5% on a reported basis and 23% on an as adjusted basis .

Speaker #4: Before the benefit of 45 X , compared to 19.4% in Q2 25 and 21.4% in the prior quarter . On geographical mix of earnings , which can vary quarter to quarter , we expect our full year tax rate on an as adjusted basis before the benefit of 45 X for fiscal year 2026 to be in the range of 20 to 22% .

Speaker #4: Let me now provide details by segment. Please turn to slide 13. In the second quarter, Energy Systems revenue increased 14% from the prior year to $435 million, primarily driven by stronger volumes along with a favorable price mix and a slightly positive FX impact. Adjusted operating earnings increased 38% from the prior year to $34 million, reflecting the benefits of the increased volume and favorable price mix.

Speaker #4: Adjusted operating margin of 7.7% increased 130 basis points versus prior year . As Sean mentioned , we saw unique wins in this business during the quarter that we expect to normalize next quarter .

Speaker #4: We remain confident in our margin trajectory with upside from here as data center demand and ongoing communications recovery should allow us to generate operating leverage and higher margins with additional support from our structural cost reductions modus , our revenue decreased 2% from prior year to $360 million .

Speaker #4: As anticipated , with lower volumes from macro headwinds more than offsetting favorable price mix and FX tailwinds . Motive power adjusted operating earnings were $48 million , down $10 million versus prior year , primarily on those lower volumes .

Speaker #4: Adjusted operating margins were 13.3% , down 240 basis points versus the prior year . Maintenance free product sales increased 14% year on year and were 29.9% of motive power .

Speaker #4: Revenue mix , compared to 25.8% in Q2 25 . Looking forward , we expect modus power volumes to regain year over year growth in the third quarter as the macro settles , we expect lithium sales to make up a bigger portion of this growth , which will temporarily pressure margins on higher cost pass through from both China .

Speaker #4: Tariffs as well as elevated costs , which we will experience into lithium sales reach higher volumes longer term . Motive power is well positioned for growth , supported by electrification , automation and strong demand for our maintenance free and charger solutions .

Speaker #4: Specialty revenue increased 16% from prior year to $157 million , largely driven by a 7% increase in organic volumes and a 7% benefit from the acquisition , as well as a 1% increase from FX and price mix .

Speaker #4: We remain impressed by the contributions from Printronix and the cultural fit between our companies , both of which have surpassed our initial expectations as we acquire Printronix in the second quarter of our fiscal 25 , the results will be included in our ongoing operations in future quarters .

Speaker #4: Q2 26 Adjusted operating earnings of $15 million were nearly double that of the prior year . When we entered the transportation down cycle adjusted operating margin of 9.2% was up 380 basis points .

Speaker #4: We continue to see the near-term opportunity of margin expansion and specialty driven by robust and demand and ongoing cost and delivery gains from automation under our lead Acid Co .

Speaker #4: Please turn to slide 14 . Operating cash flow of $218 million , offset by CapEx of $21 million , resulted in strong free cash flow of $197 million in the quarter .

Speaker #4: An increase of $194 million versus the prior year . Same period . This increase was bolstered by the receipt of our US federal tax refund , free cash flow conversion in the quarter was 288% , excluding the benefit of 45 X to earnings in cash , free cash flow conversion was still an impressive 196% primary operating capital , increased slightly to just over $1 billion during the quarter on higher sales .

Speaker #4: With our working capital efficiency measured internally by primary operating capital as a percentage of annualized sales , improving 120 basis points versus prior year and 130 basis points sequentially .

Speaker #4: As we invigorate our operating model , we will continue to focus on delivering value from enhanced working capital discipline enabled by our . As of September 28th , 2025 , we had $389 million of cash and cash equivalents on hand , net debt of $842 million represents an increase of approximately $61 million since the end of fiscal 25 .

Speaker #4: Our leverage ratio remains well below our target range at 1.3 times EBITDA . Our balance sheet is very strong and positions us to invest in growth and navigate the current economic environment .

Speaker #4: During this period of heightened geopolitical uncertainty , we anticipate maintaining net leverage at or below the low end of our 2 to 3 times target range , providing us with ample dry powder for a capital allocation .

Speaker #4: Choices and to absorb any macroeconomic dynamics that may impact us . Please turn to slide 15 . During the second quarter , we repurchased 636,000 shares for $68 million at an average price of under $107 per share .

Speaker #4: We also paid $10 million in dividends since quarter end . We repurchased an additional 325,000 shares for $37 million , leaving approximately $960 million in a buyback authorization .

Speaker #4: As of November 4th . We continue to be opportunistic in our share buyback activity , particularly as market conditions remain volatile . Our buybacks , in addition to the dividend , underscore our long standing commitment to returning value to our shareholders .

Speaker #4: We continue to evaluate accretive bolt on acquisitions such as Brent and Rebel that align with our discipline , strategic and financial criteria , and are focused on strengthening customer intimacy , expanding share of wallet with their leading positions , and exciting end markets , and advancing our transformation progress .

Speaker #4: Please turn to slide 16 . As we navigate the current environment of mixed and market demand trends , we are optimistic , but cautious about the near-term outlook year over year .

Speaker #4: Our Q3 outlook reflects OpEx improvement from realization of our restructuring efforts . Healthy demand and data center and and improvements in motive power and relatively flat communications revenue .

Speaker #4: Following a particularly strong Q2 for the third quarter of fiscal 2026 , we expect net sales in the range of $920 million to $960 million , with adjusted diluted EPs of $2.71 to $2.81 per share , which includes 35 million to $40 million of 45 X benefits to cost of sales , excluding 45 X , we expect adjusted diluted EPs of $1.64 to $1.74 per share .

Speaker #4: Up 46% at the mid-point of the range . Our CapEx expectation for the full fiscal 2026 is approximately $80 million . As a reminder , we expect to realize 30 to $35 million of net savings in fiscal year 26 related to our cost reduction initiatives .

Speaker #4: While we are pleased with the EnerSys overall trajectory and are seeing positive momentum across several growth areas , we believe it remains prudent to keep full year quantitative guidance paused due to the dynamic macro environment and its downstream effect on customer buying patterns .

Speaker #4: That said , we reaffirm our expectation that full year adjusted operating earnings growth excluding 45 X will outpace revenue growth . We remain confident in the earnings power of our business and our ability to navigate through evolving policy and macroeconomic conditions .

Speaker #4: With this , let's open it up for questions . Operator .

Speaker #1: We will now begin the question and answer session . If you would like to ask a question at this time , press star .

Speaker #1: Then the number one on your telephone keypad . And please limit to one question and one follow up . And your first question comes from the line of Sherif Almaghrabi with Btig .

Speaker #1: Sharif , please go ahead .

Speaker #5: Hi . Good morning . Thanks for taking my question . When you talk about demand pollens and customers shifting their spending as they manage tariffs , can you tell us what end markets are most impacted and what do you need to see from some of these customers that would give you more long term visibility ?

Speaker #3: Yeah . Good morning Sheriff , this is Sean . I think the big Bolan that we had was in the communication sector , but I don't I don't think it was relative to tariff activity .

Speaker #3: It was more that customer front loading . The year and opportunity because they were involved in a large acquisition that was going to dominate the second half of their year .

Speaker #3: So . So we the good news with that is with our centers of excellence , we're able to accommodate them and move very quickly to help them do that .

Speaker #3: And it provided a little lumpiness in our order book in that , you know , that front loading did have a result of a higher Q2 , but beyond that , it's not that difficult for us to manage .

Speaker #3: We'll also say motive power . What we're seeing is a restoration of our book and ship business , which incidentally , was sort of the character of that business for decades , where you have a higher percentage of book and chip in the period and a lower percentage of backlog .

Speaker #3: And as we mentioned in our prepared remarks , we're sort of seeing a restoration back to that , which really supports our our ability to do quick ship out of our factories .

Speaker #3: We've spent a lot of time putting that in place . So we don't we don't see a lot of volatility in terms of of tariff tariff activity with these poems , as we did in the first quarter .

Speaker #3: It's more just customers reacting to their localized order demand patterns .

Speaker #4: And tariff . If I could just add one , one comment on to that . Sean's absolutely correct . But the only other comment I'd make with the tariff environment is our customers , particularly on the large capital spending .

Speaker #4: So buying motive power forklifts or buying class eight trucks , that's where we think there's some , I'd call hesitation in the market .

Speaker #4: I don't know if you saw the Hyster-yale release yesterday . They called out a 4% reduction year on year on lower forklift truck volume , and they specifically said from ongoing economic uncertainty dampening customers bookings over the past several quarters , we feel that also unfortunately , fortunately , our business isn't affected as much because we have we have a diversity of end markets .

Speaker #4: And also we do the replacement cycle as well as the initial battery and the first truck .

Speaker #5: Got it . Thank you both . And when we think about lithium driving elevated costs , is that about operating leverage as sales ramp , or is this kind of an interim phenomenon until the new cell plant comes online ?

Speaker #4: Yeah . Thank you . There's actually two aspects to that . First of all , obviously most of the lithium cells right now come from China across the market .

Speaker #4: So that elevates the cost of lithium batteries in the US in particular . And so we've got that higher cost pass through which affects the value proposition .

Speaker #4: And then we're still in early . We're ramping up right now . But we're still in early innings . Our lithium battery sales , for example , in the Americas were up 45% in motive power .

Speaker #4: But because we're not yet at , you full out , one , two shifts , we're not able to operate at the maximum efficiency that you have when you reach a certain volume level .

Speaker #4: So even independent of the sourcing of the cells are packed , assembly costs are elevated for the short time until we reach more standardized volumes .

Speaker #5: Thanks , Andy . I'll turn it over .

Speaker #4: Great . Thank you .

Speaker #3: Thanks , Sherry .

Speaker #1: And your next question comes from the line of Brian Traube with William Blair and Company . Brian , please go ahead .

Speaker #6: Hi . Good morning . Thanks for taking my questions . Could we first just talk about gross margin ? And I think you mentioned it somewhat on the call , but you know , the step down somewhat sequentially and like what what are the main drivers of that ?

Speaker #6: I think it's some of the absorption issues , Andy , that you just mentioned . But going forward , how should we think about gross margin at least directionally ?

Speaker #6: And are we going to get back to the levels that we saw in the second half of 25 ?

Speaker #4: Good morning , Brian . Thanks for the question . Just to clarify sequentially , we had a pickup in gross margin both with and without 45 x .

Speaker #4: You are referring to a specific segment?

Speaker #6: No , I'm probably looking at a model that we're just in the process of updating , but can you just comment on the outlook then how we should think about gross margin from here ?

Speaker #4: Yeah . So you know , we certainly have price mix improvements happening across all of our lines of businesses . As you saw in this quarter as well .

Speaker #4: We've got some mixed improvements . There's some dynamics segment by segment . For example , we talked about motive power depending on how quickly lithium ramps .

Speaker #4: That does put some pressure on gross margin because you have higher cost pass through . As with tariffs in general . But but there's no reason to not expect ongoing continuous improvement in gross margin similar to what what we've been seeing .

Speaker #6: Okay . Got it . Yeah . No , I'm looking at updated numbers now . I'm just seeing that I'm seeing 28.7% . Is that right ?

Speaker #4: So if I look at actual reported gross margin , we're at 29.1 versus 28.4 adjusted . And adjusted . adjusted adjusted . Maybe maybe that's right .

Speaker #4: If we exclude 45, we're at 25 versus 24.1 and Q1. So we look at it both ways.

Speaker #6: Okay . It's just much higher in the second half of fiscal 25 . Unless I'm really off and I'm wondering are we going to get with some of the cost cutting and all these initiatives ?

Speaker #6: And as the capacity , you know , there's a utilization ramps up to these levels that you saw in the second half of 25 , is my main question .

Speaker #4: Sure . Good point , Brian , because you bring up an important aspect in Q3 of 25 . It was a 33% reported gross margin .

Speaker #4: But if you recall , we had the 45 x electrode active material catch up that had prior periods in it . If you look at gross margin , excluding 45 x , it was at 24 over seven .

Speaker #4: So again , Q2 was at 25 Q4 . We had there was a lot of it was a great quarter , but of course , we had also mentioned there were a lot of one time items that wouldn't repeat .

Speaker #4: That was at 26.7 and was on much higher volume as well . So the 24 over seven in Q3 , 25 , and then we're at 25 last quarter , 25 and 25 this quarter .

Speaker #4: You know , I think it's a nice steady trajectory . And the additional tariffs will certainly give a little bit of pressure with the higher cost pass through .

Speaker #4: And you know we there's a nice trajectory in front of us . So I think it's a bright spot okay .

Speaker #6: All right okay . And then can you just talk about data center for a second . How much revenue are you generating . Data center .

Speaker #6: What was the the growth rate specifically in data center . And and what products are you winning the most with ? There ? And is this including lead acid batteries that are being sold in conjunction with generators , or is it more your standalone UPS products and and would love an update .

Speaker #6: There .

Speaker #4: Sure , I can give some of the numbers and then maybe Sean can follow up a little bit with the specific products . As you know , in data centers , it is mostly lead acid and some UPS systems that we have right now with , again , work underway with Mark leading our engineering efforts for some new product introductions , which we're excited about .

Speaker #4: That's not yet in the current quarter . Current quarter data centers , year on year are up 29% . And in the first quarter , they were up 14% .

Speaker #4: So obviously really continues to be a bright spot for us with a lot of opportunities going forward . And Sean , I don't know if you have anything to add .

Speaker #3: Yeah , I would just say good morning , Brian . I would say you have the same thing occurring in the data center environment that we have in motive and other places , and that our products are resonating very well .

Speaker #3: We have a leading lead acid market share that is quite compelling . So most of the products to Andy's point , are like our product line that that is , you know , valve regulated technology .

Speaker #3: And then TPP is growing at a similar to what you would have seen in motive power nexus . And then to Andy's point , I just want to give a little shout out to Mark Matthews .

Speaker #3: You know , we have a very commercially minded CTO who's also a lithium expert . You know , and today in the business that he comes from and we deal in nine chemistries of lithium , you know , very advanced technological applications .

Speaker #3: And so Mark's applying that knowledge . Also our lithium co is moving . So much faster than it ever has . And he's quickly we have some we will update you in future quarters .

Speaker #3: On some NPI activity . That's very encouraging to expand that lead acid market share into other products like lithium . But today it's a lead acid .

Speaker #6: Got it . Thank you very much .

Speaker #7: Yep .

Speaker #1: And your next question comes from the line of Chip Moore with Roth Capital Partners . Chip , please go ahead .

Speaker #8: Good morning . Hey , thanks for taking the question . I want to ask on communication . Morning on communications . You know , outside of that large customer that was front loading .

Speaker #8: Just maybe you can speak to what you're seeing in that end market in terms of, you know, let's break and fix.

Speaker #8: But more network build out and some pull through power electronics . It sounds like you think margins should go higher from here , but just any more , any more color ?

Speaker #3: Yeah . Chip , I , you know , didn't want to overindex on the polling there . The polling is just a good sign of what's going on .

Speaker #3: And the reason for the polling , you know , we talked in the prepared remarks about network refresh and you know what ? I like to point out is with all of the rise in data and data that whether it be AI or other use cases , the the overall aggregate volume of data that has to move around the planet is increasing .

Speaker #3: And so when we talk about network refresh , it isn't just about updating aged equipment , it's about putting equipment in that can handle the traffic and handle the increase in data traffic .

Speaker #3: And when we do that , it's also that equipment tends to be more power hungry and require more advanced solutions . So I would tell you that we're fairly encouraging demand signals across that marketplace .

Speaker #3: And while it may not be the , you know , the the 2G or 3G or 4G consistent build out that we've seen in the past , what we see is users sort of picking our customers , picking their spots and how they're going to participate in that next seeing evolution and demand .

Speaker #3: So I would tell you , it's very good . It's not a we're seeing singles and doubles . We're not seeing a network build .

Speaker #3: You know , that I would call the home run . But again , very encouraging demand signals across communications .

Speaker #8: Great . Very very helpful caller . If I could ask one more , you know , probably more specialty a and D , but just just the the government shutdown is , any impacts .

Speaker #8: There or any risks as we look forward and it doesn't sound like it but but be curious to get your thoughts . Thanks .

Speaker #3: Yeah . I would tell you that we've had it's sort of a mixed bag . We've had good discussions with our government counterparts relative to our lithium plant and the Doe folks seem to be in the office and working .

Speaker #3: On the other hand , you know , we saw some of the impacts of the shutdown are , you know , main defense type warehouses that that aren't as active , but generally across the board .

Speaker #3: I'll tell you that the impact has not been substantial . And , you know , we're seeing just extraordinary activity in what Andy mentioned .

Speaker #3: The bread folks , and how pleased we are with that acquisition . They're doing a great job . They're seeing quite a bit of demand .

Speaker #3: And then I'll also tell you , you know , we have because of our technology position in thermal batteries , you know , there's only about three companies in the US that make thermal batteries .

Speaker #3: And we have a leading position in advanced technology for thermal. And we're just seeing excellent demand signals across about 12 programs.

Speaker #3: And what those just so you can conceptualize what that is . Those are the types of batteries that are used for all . When you hear talk about hypersonics and advanced defense applications , it's being powered by EnerSys lithium cobalt technology .

Speaker #3: And so we're very encouraged by that . So I would tell you overall and demand for us , in spite of the lumpiness and the shutdown , looks very good .

Speaker #8: Excellent . I'll hop back . Thank you . Thanks very much .

Speaker #3: Thank you .

Speaker #9: Thanks , Chip .

Speaker #1: And your next question comes from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer . Noah , please go ahead .

Speaker #10: Sean . Andy . Thanks . Hope you're both well . You know . Thank you . Morning . So it seems like , you know , restructuring benefits are starting to hit their run rate here .

Speaker #10: You know , some additional lovers being pulled as well on productivity and just overall increased . You know , focus on thoughtful resource allocation .

Speaker #10: So as we think about how that translates to operating margins , what's a sort of a fair way to think about the trend in energy systems and kind of overall operating margins , even on a sequential basis for what's implied for three ?

Speaker #10: Q but just directionally , where should they be heading ?

Speaker #3: Well , I'll , I'll start and I'll give it to Andy to talk more specifically on numbers . But I would tell you that what we're seeing in the Co realignment is that we have a target rich environment to continue to work on our costs and gain efficiencies .

Speaker #3: There's a lot of positive momentum in Keith's business and energy systems . I will tell you that they have more opportunities to continue to increase their efficiency , their so we're going to stay on that path .

Speaker #3: And one of the reasons we were excited to have Keith join us is just because he has that strong operator background , and you're seeing it in the numbers .

Speaker #3: But but we continue that . We fully expect that trend to continue . And then what I'll also tell you , you know , along the lines of the CEOs , I've been making a concerted effort to get down to Missouri once a month personally .

Speaker #3: And work with the team and walk the factory floor . There . And every one of our metrics is improving from OE to decreasing scrap rates to increase productivity .

Speaker #3: So the team doing a fantastic job , you're seeing the the evidence of the focus that people aren't too spread thin . They can specialize , focus on doing what matters .

Speaker #3: And that's our bread and butter . So again , we expect that those efficiencies continue . It's early days . We're very encouraged .

Speaker #3: Andy , you want to add to that .

Speaker #4: Yeah . Thanks , Sean . As we said in the last call , we we we had expected that Q1 would be the low point of the year .

Speaker #4: And in fact , the dramatic improvement in Q2 that just demonstrates that , obviously , Q and Q adjusted EPs , excluding 45 was up $0.41 or 37% .

Speaker #4: Our underlying business is really good . It's actually more compelling than than we would have even said a quarter ago . We anticipate full year .

Speaker #4: Growth . Excluding 45 will continue to outpace revenue , which obviously implies , Noah . That will continue to have margin expansion . I'll give you a little bit of color for each one of the segments of what we're expecting , but as a reminder , our cost reduction program , which was $80 million , 70 of OpEx and 10 million of of manufacturing , will start kicking in more , we had a couple million dollars this quarter , but it's really going to start ramping up in Q3 and Q4 .

Speaker #4: Energy systems , you know , we're on the path to continuing to improve the margins . There cost actions have been taken , and there's more work that's central to the strategy we're seeing steady volume growth for data centers .

Speaker #4: The Coms network refresh is continuing , and while we don't think that that might happen this year , but we're confident a build out has to happen to be able to get all of that AI data delivered into users hands .

Speaker #4: Like you and I . So we think that's going to be more at a measured pace . But ongoing . And the services area is also a key focus for us and has been improving .

Speaker #4: And motive power . So we mentioned market conditions hesitance . Probably the best word to describe it . But from a positive standpoint , maintenance free conversions are going great .

Speaker #4: Although lithium might be a little bit of a headwind on margins in the near term , our soft book to bill was a little bit of a concern .

Speaker #4: I'll be honest . We're not sure how much of that is returned to pre-COVID buying patterns versus , you know , just just this hesitancy that we're talking about .

Speaker #4: So we're keeping an eye on it . But if you recall , longer term , we've got the Monterey closure happening next year .

Speaker #4: We've got our new TPP on lithium offerings coming online , new chargers , the BS on the horizon . So we feel really good longer term .

Speaker #4: And if you look at some of the industry data on on motive power , I think what you're seeing is very consistent with what we're seeing as well .

Speaker #4: A little bit of hesitation near term , but no concerns longer term for that business specialty . Not unreasonable to expect double digit by next quarter .

Speaker #4: And beyond as our AMD business continues to gain strength , the aftermarket and transportation starting to pick up from a low , low starting point .

Speaker #4: The lead Co is driving cost improvements . Like Sean mentioned , when he's visiting Missouri . Going well through the automation and then just as clarity , we don't expect class A to pick back up this year yet , so generally speaking , I'd say the margin improvement .

Speaker #4: Bottom line you saw this quarter is not unreasonable to expect that same level on an ongoing quarterly sequential basis near term .

Speaker #10: That's perfect . And comprehensive . Color , and I'm glad you mentioned class eight aftermarket , which is , you know , something that we've thought of as a great growth lever for the company and kind of watching for inflection , it sounds like you do expect some growth , even even this quarter .

Speaker #10: Maybe just frame up for us, you know, where that business stands now, what sort of driving now improved traction? Any way to think about the magnitude of contribution.

Speaker #10: You know how meaningful a growth driver this can be?

Speaker #4: Yeah . No we don't give we don't specifically guide down to those that seg markets . But I will say that we the aftermarket business is picking up double digit .

Speaker #4: It's just off a slow starting point . And , you know , it's some of that's being offset by the OEMs . But if you look in the aggregate , you know , for for specialty , we did have we did have some nice order book for our transportation .

Speaker #4: Q3 orders . Sequentially , we're up 26% and 20% year on year . Again , a lot of that is coming from the aftermarket , but you have to remember it's coming off a low base .

Speaker #4: So it's not an area that , you know , we're we expect is going to make a meaningful movement to our bottom line .

Speaker #4: Numbers in the short term , manufacturing improvement is helping that as well . And the lead co will also help us with , I think , more success in transportation longer term .

Speaker #3: And I think Andy mentioned it earlier and it's just something that just sort of I think repeat a bit , you know , if you think of new trucks in class eight , you know , if the the new trucks aren't being built at the same rate , then fleet operators are going to have to do more to keep old trucks on the road or existing fleets on the road .

Speaker #3: And that bodes well for us . So just like in the forklifts , Andy mentioned that if you're looking at material handling order rates for new trucks , it's more suppressed than we are because we have the replacement and the ability to help them , you know , keep those fleets in the warehouse and fleets on the road .

Speaker #3: So we that's part of our this renewable component of battery where we , you know , we'll get a second bite or third bite at the apple with the fleet that when new trucks aren't being sold .

Speaker #3: So I think that's a piece of it .

Speaker #10: Okay . Perfect . If I could sneak one more in , you know , just outstanding cash generation . This quarter . You know , even exclusive of the of the tax refund leveraged back down to 1.3 x a lot of dry powder for that buyback .

Speaker #10: Just how are you thinking about repurchase activity here? And maybe kind of update us on your M&A opportunity set as well.

Speaker #4: Yeah sure . Thanks . Thanks , Noah . We were really pleased with the cash flow generation . And I will say that's that's an area with invigorating our operating model that we are we are being intentionally more disciplined and focused on as a management team .

Speaker #4: So I'm very excited about about the outcome of the effort that we've had . So the billion dollar buyback , we we intend to continuing buying back stock .

Speaker #4: It's part of our ongoing basis . We generate a lot of cash and we're committed to returning value to our shareholders . And I would say in periods of dislocation between our stock price and intrinsic value , which we believe is the case now , we're going to continue to to buy back at elevated levels .

Speaker #4: We do want to keep a portion of our available capital capacity to be opportunistic with M&A activities. M&A will continue to be part of our growth strategy.

Speaker #4: Going forward , but we don't have anything specific to announce right now . Sean , I don't know if you want to add any color to that .

Speaker #3: Yeah . I would just say in generally , you know , we with all of the focus on operating rigor , I want to make sure we're not giving the impression that we're not going to deploy capital .

Speaker #3: We're just going to deploy it for high quality investment opportunities . We have a few M&A opportunities in the pipeline that we think are compelling .

Speaker #3: But again , for us , it's going to be , you know , free cash flow margin and increasing free cash flow margin and then deploying that for the right ROIC .

Speaker #3: We're going to stay opportunistic. So I think you can expect us to deploy that discipline and rigor to those opportunities. But definitely, we're going to put that cash to work.

Speaker #3: And to Andy's point, whether that's buying our own shares when they're undervalued or investing internally in our business for the right opportunities.

Speaker #3: And certainly M&A . .

Speaker #10: All right. Very good. Thank you all.

Speaker #9: Thank you .

Speaker #1: There's no further questions at this time . I will now turn the call back over to Sean O'Connell for closing remarks . Sean .

Speaker #3: Thank you . Mark , I'd like to thank everybody for joining us on the call today . We look forward to updating you again next quarter .

Speaker #3: Hope you have a great day .