Q3 2025 Priority Technology Holdings Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good day and welcome to the priority third Quarter 2020 earnings call . All participants will be in listen only mode . Should you need assistance , please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key , followed by zero .
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Speaker #4: Good morning , and thank you for joining us . With me today are Tom , Chairman and Chief Executive officer of Priority Technology Holdings, Inc. .
Speaker #4: And Timothy OLeary . Chief Financial Officer . Before giving our prepared remarks , I would like to remind all participants that our comments today will include forward looking statements which involve a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our forward looking statements .
Speaker #4: The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise the forward looking statements , whether as a result of new information , future events or otherwise .
Speaker #4: We provide a detailed discussion of the various risk factors in our SEC filings , and we encourage you to review these filings . Additionally , we may refer to non-GAAP measures , including , but not limited to , EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA .
Speaker #4: During the call . Reconciliations of non-GAAP performance and liquidity measures to the appropriate GAAP measures can be found in our press release and SEC filings available in the investor section of our website .
Speaker #4: With that , I would like to turn the call over to our chairman and CEO , Thomas Priore .
Speaker #5: Thank you , Meghna , and thanks to everyone for joining us for our third quarter 2020 earnings call . I'll begin today's call by highlighting our aggregate performance , full year guidance on revenue , adjusted gross profit and adjusted EBITDA , and key strategic updates .
Speaker #5: I'll then hand the call over to Tim , who provide segment level performance , key trends and developments across our business segments , and priority overall .
Speaker #5: As summarized on slide three . Priority grew net revenue by 6% , generated adjusted gross profit and adjusted EBITDA growth of 10% and 6% , respectively , and increased adjusted EPs by $0.10 , or 56% year over year to $0.28 in the third quarter .
Speaker #5: We ended the third quarter with over 1.7 million total customer accounts operating our platform , up from 1.4 million at the end of last quarter .
Speaker #5: Annual transaction volume in the LTM period increased by nearly 4 billion from quarter 2 to 144 billion , and average account balances under administration improved by almost 200 million from the prior quarter .
Speaker #5: Our largest quarterly increase to date to 1.6 billion . Certainly a solid showing for the quarter . But candidly , with mixed performance at the segment level , we produced continued strong results by all key metrics within payables and Treasury solutions on the strength of 14 and 18% revenue growth , respectively .
Speaker #5: However , gross moderated to 2% in our Merchant Solutions segment as same store sales decelerated in multiple areas . A constructively merchant attrition remained stable , leading us to conclude that macroeconomic factors influencing spending are affecting performance and will likely persist through the remainder of the year .
Speaker #5: The result is that revenue growth we had projected of 10 to 12.5% for the full year is expected to come in at the lower end of our range at 8 to 10% .
Speaker #5: The impact is a modest revision to our full year revenue guidance to 950 to 965 million , from 970 to 990 million . Importantly , however , as a result of our expanding gross profit margins , which has continued to 38.9% year to date , we are raising the low end of our full year gross profit guidance from 365 million to 370 million , with the upper end remaining at 380 million and modestly improving our full year adjusted EBITDA guidance to 223 to 228 million .
Speaker #5: I'd like to cover one bit of housekeeping before we dive more fully into our results in our press release this morning , you'll note that we are now categorizing our operating segments as Merchant solutions , payables and Treasury Solutions .
Speaker #5: Instead of SMB , B2B , and enterprise as priorities . Business mix and solution set continues to evolve . We believe this will provide greater clarity to stakeholders about the revenue sources , driving performance through our commerce platform .
Speaker #5: These categories also reflect the evolution of our client base , with increasingly larger customers and a diverse set of reselling partners accessing priority for multiple features across acquiring payables and treasury solutions .
Speaker #5: Now , turning our attention to our aggregate Q3 results on slide four . Revenue of 241.4 million increased 6% from the prior year .
Speaker #5: This led to a 10% increase in adjusted gross profit to 94.8 million , and a 6% improvement in adjusted EBITDA to 57.8 million .
Speaker #5: Adjusted gross profit margin of 39.2 increased 140 basis points from the prior year's third quarter , reflecting the ongoing performance of our diverse high margin payables and treasury solutions segment highlighted on slide five .
Speaker #5: Our Q3 performance contributed to year to date revenue growth of 8% to 705.9 million . Fueling a 12% increase in adjusted gross profit to 274.4 million and an 8% improvement in adjusted EBITDA to 165.1 million .
Speaker #5: While expanding our adjusted gross profit margin by 150 basis points to 38.9% . For those of you who are new to priority , slide six and seven , highlight our vision for connected commerce .
Speaker #5: The priority commerce platform is purpose built to streamline collecting , storing , lending and sending money . It delivers a flexible financial tool set for merchant acquiring payables and treasury solutions designed to accelerate cash flow and optimize working capital for the businesses we serve .
Speaker #5: I would encourage you to play the short , 1 to 2 minute videos embedded in the product links on this slide to gain a deeper appreciation of why customers are consistently partnering with priority to reach their commerce goals and why we are emerging as a go to solution provider for embedded commerce and finance solutions .
Speaker #5: Slide seven highlights a typical partner experience with our commerce APIs orchestration capabilities for payments management and treasury solutions . This enables partners to use a single API tailored to their specific objectives .
Speaker #5: Customers connecting via our API can access all routes for digital payments . Acceptance . Create traditional and virtual bank accounts , issue physical and virtual debit cards .
Speaker #5: Enable lockbox for checks . Configure single vendor and advanced bulk vendor payment programs and many other commerce options at their own pace . In the third quarter alone , we contracted with new enterprise ISV partners in Hospitality Marina Infrastructure Management , construction , supply class action administration and mortgage lending .
Speaker #5: With over 10 billion in incremental annual transaction volume to harvest . While continuing to expand our success in sports , entertainment , automotive property management and payroll and benefits .
Speaker #5: Given our expanding customer base and segments , our commerce platform creates two important benefits for priorities long term . First , it enables our partners to develop their offering to seize new opportunities and respond to emerging trends as we add features and embedded solutions .
Speaker #5: Both parties maintain clear visibility into quantifiable revenue growth opportunities . Building customer confidence and driving mutual success . And second , by standardizing operational workflows across diverse industry segments where money movement is critical to the value chain , we can identify and refine key operational metrics in compliance , payment operations , risk and application support .
Speaker #5: This enables us to scale efficiently , maintain cost discipline and ultimately improve profitability . This vision explains why we were able to evolve priority into a consistently high performing payments and banking , financial technology company with strong recurring revenue prospects .
Speaker #5: Our customers and current market conditions reinforce our belief that systems connecting payments and treasury solutions to accept and distribute funds in multi-party environments will be critical as businesses put greater demands on software and payment solution providers to deliver a full suite of core business services on a single relationship .
Speaker #5: We're committed to meeting our customers where they are by curating the experience for our partners to make working with priority seamless and easy .
Speaker #5: Before we move on to a detailed segment level performance review , I want to highlight a few key investments during Q3 . On page eight , namely , our acquisitions of Boom Commerce and Dealer Merchant Services and the launch of our residual financing facility to power growth in ISO and ISV partnerships .
Speaker #5: The boom transaction adds veteran sales depth with exclusive distribution partnerships , expanding our West Coast capabilities . While the addition of the DMs team will underpin our strategy to lean into the future of automotive commerce with vertically focused distribution and integrated payments , treasury and payable solutions to this steadily growing and historically defensive area of consumer spending .
Speaker #5: Last , our launch of the residual Financing Facility helps us put fuel in the tank of our ISO and ISV partners to grow their customer base on our commerce platform .
Speaker #5: At this point , I'd like to hand it over to Tim , who'll provide further insights into the health of our business segments , along with current trends in each that factored into our third quarter results and confidence for sustained performance through the end of 2025 .
Speaker #6: Thank you , Tom , and good morning , everyone . I'll start on slide ten . As Tom mentioned , we had solid overall financial performance in the third quarter .
Speaker #6: That benefited from the diversification of our platform as strong growth in our higher margin payables and treasury solutions segments offset the impact of slower growth in our Merchant Solutions segment this quarter .
Speaker #6: The strong 14 and 18% growth , respectively , in Payables and Treasury solutions allowed for overall margin expansion as adjusted gross profit margins improved by nearly 140 basis points from Q3 last year , and over 70 basis points sequentially from Q2 .
Speaker #6: This year . Consistent growth from our payables and treasury Solutions segments also resulted in a continued favorable shift in priorities . Gross profit mix for the quarter payables and Treasury solutions comprised nearly 63% of adjusted gross profit .
Speaker #6: If you evaluate that same metric on a trailing 12 month basis . Payables and Treasury solutions contributed over 62% of gross profit for the 12 months ended September 30th , which represents a 23 percentage point increase from the beginning of 2023 .
Speaker #6: This trend , which you can clearly see on the page here , is highly indicative of our commitment to investing in higher growth , higher margin operating segments , which will expand priorities .
Speaker #6: Total addressable market and, in turn, enhance shareholder value. As noted on prior calls, the continued shift in our business mix also helps enhance the highly visible and recurring nature of our business model during the quarter.
Speaker #6: Over 64% of adjusted gross profit came from recurring revenues that are not dependent on transaction counts or card volumes , which compares to just under 60% in Q3 of last year .
Speaker #6: Moving now to the segment level results and starting with Merchant Solutions on slide 11 , Merchant Solutions generated Q3 revenue of $161.9 million , which is 3.1 million , or 2% higher than last year's third quarter revenue growth was a combination of 4% growth in the core portfolio , combined with just over 1 million of revenue in the quarter from the boom , Commerce acquisition partially offset by lower revenue from both specialized acquiring and historical residual purchases .
Speaker #6: As expected , those headwinds moderated in Q3 compared to the first half of the year , but will continue into Q4 . Lower growth in the core portfolio compared to first half of the year was largely attributable to a pullback in consumer spend within a few industry verticals , including restaurants , construction and wholesale trade .
Speaker #6: Total card volume was 18.5 billion for the quarter , which is up 2.2% from the prior year . From a merchant standpoint , we averaged 179,000 accounts during the quarter , which is up from 178,000 last year .
Speaker #6: While new monthly boards averaged 3400 during the quarter . Adjusted gross profit for the second quarter was 35.5 million , which is consistent with Q3 of last year .
Speaker #6: Gross margins of 21.9% are 50 basis points lower than the comparable quarter last year , largely attributable to lower revenue from both specialized acquiring and historical residual purchases .
Speaker #6: Lastly , adjusted EBITDA was 27.7 million , which is down 900,000 , or 3.2% from last year due to increased salaries and benefits and elevated software expenses related to the previously discussed cloud migration .
Speaker #6: Moving to the payables segment , revenue of 25.2 million was 13.6% higher than Q3 of last year , and sequentially increased from 25 million in Q2 .
Speaker #6: Our buyer funded revenues grew 11.8% year over year to 20 million , while supplier funded revenues grew 21.3% year over year to 5.1 million .
Speaker #6: Adjusted gross profit was 7.2 million . In the quarter , which is a 13.6% increase over the prior year . For the quarter , gross margins were 28.5% , which is consistent with last year's comparable quarter .
Speaker #6: The payable segment contributed 3.5 million of adjusted EBITDA during the quarter , which was a 1.5 million , or 79% year over year increase .
Speaker #6: The acceleration of adjusted EBITDA growth compared to revenue and adjusted gross profit was driven by strong operating leverage in the segment , including a 12.5% year over year reduction in operating expenses before DNA .
Speaker #6: Moving to the Treasury Solutions segment . Q3 revenue of 55.7 million was an increase of 8.6 million , or 18.2% , over the prior year .
Speaker #6: Revenue growth was driven by continued strong enrollment trends and an increase in the number of billed clients enrolled in Cftp , combined with an increase in the number of integrated partners and organic same store sales growth from existing passport program managers , higher account balances in both CFT and passport were able to more than offset the impact of lower interest rates in the quarter compared to Q3 of last year .
Speaker #6: As a result of those factors , adjusted gross profit for the segment increased by 18.3% to 52.1 million , while adjusted gross profit margins remained strong at 93.6% for the quarter .
Speaker #6: Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was 46.7 million , an increase of 5.7 million , or 14% , year over year . Overall profitability in Treasury Solutions was driven by consistent and strong high teens revenue growth in CFT , combined with 100% revenue growth in passport , which offset investments .
Speaker #6: We continue to make in newer vertical software assets within Priority Tech Ventures . While many of these investments are still scaling , we view them as highly compelling opportunities to enhance priorities .
Speaker #6: Already , comprehensive product suite and expand further into new and existing markets , including construction , payroll and benefits . Asset management , and sports and entertainment , including the Nil marketplace .
Speaker #6: Moving to consolidated operating expenses , salaries and benefits of 26.1 million increased by 4.4 million , or 20.2% , compared to Q3 of last year , but declined by 1 million when compared sequentially to Q2 .
Speaker #6: The year over year increase was primarily driven by higher non-cash stock compensation expense , along with increased headcount from organic growth combined with acquisition related activity .
Speaker #6: SG&A of 15.7 million increased by 3.3 million , or 26.7% , compared to Q3 of last year . As a result of increased accounting and SoCs related expenses , along with higher legal , marketing and software expenses .
Speaker #6: Now , I'd like to take a moment to discuss our capital structure debt at the end of the quarter was 1 billion , and we ended the quarter with $157 million of available liquidity , including all 100 million of borrowing capacity available under revolving credit facility and 57 million of unrestricted cash .
Speaker #6: On the balance sheet . As Tom noted earlier , we closed the new $50 million residual financing facility during the quarter , and we also refinanced our broadly syndicated term loan on more favorable terms .
Speaker #6: The residual financing is a securitization style structure , and it is non-recourse to priority , which is why the outstanding balance of 23 million at quarter end is not reported in the totals you see on this page subsequent to quarter end , we upsized the $1 billion term loan by 35 million to finance the cash portion of the DMs acquisition , but as highlighted in our press release this morning , I'm pleased to reiterate that we made a $15 million prepayment to the term loan at the end of October , while the total quantum of our debt has increased this year due to acquisitions and the acceleration of certain deferred consideration related to the plastic acquisition , we've applied 25 million of prepayments to the term loan this year , between 10 million and Q1 , combined with the $15 million payment last week , given strong free cash flow generation , we expect to continue to apply excess cash to debt reduction throughout 2026 with respect to free cash flow , we generated 29 million of free cash flow in the quarter based on adjusted EBITDA of approximately 58 million , -6 million of capital expenditures , 21.5 million in cash interest expense and just under 1 million in cash taxes on a year to date basis .
Speaker #6: That same metric totals 71 million . If you were to annualize that figure to 95 million and look at it on a per share basis , we generate $1.17 of free cash flow per share , which I know is a metric that many investors have referenced in our prior discussions .
Speaker #6: For the LTM period ended September 30th , adjusted EBITDA of 216.8 million represents 3.1 million of sequential quarterly growth from 213.7 million at the end of Q2 .
Speaker #6: This growth in adjusted EBITDA , combined with net debt of 943 million , resulted in net leverage of 4.35 times at quarter end , which is up from 4.1 times at the end of Q2 due to acquisition activity and a partial quarter of acquired EBITDA benefit .
Speaker #6: If you were to recalculate leverage on a pro forma basis for a full year , effect of the boom in DMs acquisitions and related balance sheet activity .
Speaker #6: Net leverage would be 4.1 times , which is neutral to where we finished Q2 . We will continue to evaluate opportunities to acquire strategic assets that provide priority with higher margin , vertically focused sales channels .
Speaker #6: But debt reduction on both the dollar basis and leverage ratio are focus areas for 2026 . Moving to slide 16 and our revised financial guidance , we have adjusted our full year revenue guidance to reflect the year to date results .
Speaker #6: Combined with our most up to date outlook for Q4 , the revised revenue range of 950 to 965 million implies an 8 to 10% full year growth rate and is reflective of mid-single digit organic revenue growth in our merchant Solutions segment for Q4 .
Speaker #6: Despite lower revenue growth expectations for the full year , we have raised the low end of the adjusted gross profit range by 5 million to 370 million , with the upper end remaining at 380 million .
Speaker #6: Adjusted EBITDA is expected to range from 223 to 228 million , which is up slightly from prior guidance of two 22.5 to 227.5 million .
Speaker #6: The revised full year guidance is inclusive of approximately 6 million of adjusted EBITDA related to acquisitions . While there are certainly some impact to adjusted EBITDA from lower revenue growth in merchant solutions , the full year guide is also reflective of continued investment in priority Tech Ventures .
Speaker #6: Lastly , we will provide more details related to our 2026 outlook during our fourth quarter earnings call . But preliminary expectations are for high single digit revenue growth , with adjusted gross margins expanding by 75 to 100 basis points or more .
Speaker #6: With that , I'll now turn the call back over to Tom for his closing comments .
Speaker #5: Thank you Tim . Before concluding , I want to offer perspective on what it means to grow in aggregate . Q3 was not among our best performing quarters purely as a measure of economic growth .
Speaker #5: Despite the strong performance in our payables and treasury Solutions segments , but make no mistake , our third quarter was one of intense internal growth that has set critical foundations for developing and increasing enterprise value .
Speaker #5: During the quarter , we activated Cod acquiring in Canada , added real time payment capabilities and implemented a unique financing source to fuel our partner's growth .
Speaker #5: Additionally , we reduced our borrowing costs by 100 basis points , executed two accretive acquisitions without impacting net leverage and generated free cash flow to pay down 15 million of debt , all while continuing to refine our operational muscle by integrating a host of ISV and enterprise customers on our commerce platform with addressable annual transaction volume of over 10 billion to capture in the coming months , and adding more incremental deposits under administration .
Speaker #5: Nearly 200 million than at any other quarter in our history . While the scoreboard may not reflect it yet , we were busy grinding out wins each day that underscore how we are built with intention for the long term and built to last .
Speaker #5: It's why , since becoming publicly listed in 2018 through challenging periods , we have produced compound annual adjusted EBITDA growth of 18% , we will continue to curate , prioritize commerce , offering by connecting payments and treasury solutions on a single platform .
Speaker #5: That centralizes all money movement at scale for our partners , allowing us to expand our portfolio of core business applications and addressable market segments to continue to deliver stable free cash flow and long term shareholder value .
Speaker #5: As always , I want to thank all my colleagues at priority who continue to work incredibly hard to deliver results . Your commitment and dedication to improving everything we do is clear .
Speaker #5: Providing our partners and customers with a constant reminder that they made the right choice to partner with priority . Last , we continue to appreciate the ongoing support of our investors and analysts , and for those in attendance who are new to priority for taking the time to participate in today's call .
Speaker #5: Operator . We now like to open the call for questions .
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Speaker #3: At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster. Our first question will come from Hal Gothic of B. Riley Securities.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead .
Speaker #7: Hey . Thank you guys . Hey , thanks for a good idea to reclassify these segments into Treasury . Different segments you've renamed that reflects what what they do and appreciate that .
Speaker #7: Just wanted to ask about you know , given you reported Q2 in the in the , you know , August time period and there's been a some same store sales weakness .
Speaker #7: When did you start seeing that ? I mean , another company called Shift4 Payments mentioned that difficult same store sales for restaurants as well .
Speaker #7: But what did you start seeing ? Could you go over some of the segments you saw so that's my first question . Thanks .
Speaker #6: Hey , thanks for the question and the the feedback on the segment names . We started seeing some of that in in August , and it's certainly accelerated in September .
Speaker #6: As we look across all the different verticals for the merchant Solutions business . You know , there were a handful that definitely saw a , a trend line that was against us .
Speaker #6: It was relatively broad based , though , but the ones we called out , you know , restaurants , construction , wholesale trade were the ones that were a little bit even more onerous at the tail end of the quarter .
Speaker #6: You know , there were others that were down slightly , but not as much of an impact . You know , things like education and some other verticals .
Speaker #6: But , you know , we really started seeing it August . And then that accelerated into September .
Speaker #7: Okay . And you mentioned like some of the residuals , what was the impact of merchant attrition was , was was decent monthly ads were still really good .
Speaker #7: What were some of those other components that you clarify what they mean and how long the impact will be from those ? It was I think you mentioned some residuals and impacts .
Speaker #7: What were those again ?
Speaker #6: Yes . Yeah . So I was I was referencing lower revenue in the quarter from specialized acquiring , which we've talked about the last couple quarters , given some of the dynamics in that end market .
Speaker #6: And then historical residual purchases and not to rehash a lot of the the nuances there , but , you know , we had done some larger residual purchases back in 2021 .
Speaker #6: But from a capital allocation strategy , you know , the last few years we've been focused on deleveraging and taking out the preferred equity .
Speaker #6: So we haven't done a lot of additional residual buybacks . So those older portfolios , as they start to run off over time , that presents a headwind .
Speaker #6: And you're running off effectively . What is 100% margin because you've bought back those residuals from the resellers . So that that headwind has continued .
Speaker #6: You know combined those two things had about a $2 million impact , you know , on the quarter , on a year over year basis .
Speaker #6: That's down from what it was in the first two quarters of the year , where we talked about , you know , more onerous headwind where that was , you know , 4.5 million or so .
Speaker #6: So it's come down , which we expected it to moderate . We'll see another consistent type of headwind in Q4 . But definitely less than we saw in the first half of the year .
Speaker #7: Okay .
Speaker #8: Hey , Hal , just one other point , which I think is just it's important to reference on the residual . On the residual base question , you have one of the major drivers of putting together the financing facility that we have is non-recourse .
Speaker #8: Is that I mean , really that positions us in our space . There's no one else who has something like this that will enable us to instead of having that financing be , you know , at the Holdco level , we now have it at the facility level .
Speaker #8: That's non-recourse , but gives us that's a place where we'll buy those residuals . We will make other lending facilities to our ISV and and ISO partners to put gas in their tank to supercharge their marketing , to do development .
Speaker #8: That will help them accelerate adoption on their products . So it's . It's a it's a very , very valuable facility that you will see reflected in that way .
Speaker #8: Going forward . And it will help us really not have that drag that Tim just alluded to .
Speaker #7: Excellent . Okay . I had one follow up on that on this has been a real building year and investment year , and I look at that based on maybe where , you know , maybe the dollar increase in salaries and employee benefits .
Speaker #7: A couple acquisitions . Is a cost of living . But it looks to be like a pretty , pretty solid dollar increase year over year in salaries and benefits .
Speaker #7: Will , you know , well , there'll be a moderation of that maybe based on the investment you spent this year going into 2026 .
Speaker #7: I know you gave some initial sales commentary and gross profit margin guidance commentary , but give us a thought about , you know , the you know , some of the expense items that trajectories exiting 2025 into 2026 .
Speaker #7: Thanks .
Speaker #6: Sure . Yeah . So a lot of the increase was driven by acquisitions . Right . So you go back and think about the acquisitions late last year with our payroll platform .
Speaker #6: The very beginning of this year with the lettuce business up in Canada . So we had a couple of acquisitions that we have an anniversary yet .
Speaker #6: So that's part of the increase . Benefit costs also certainly higher . And we're going to see the same impact next year with health care premiums going up .
Speaker #6: And then there was also a , you know , meaningful component of that increases non-cash related to stock comp and some mark to market on long term incentive plans .
Speaker #6: So a lot of it was non-cash , but definitely acquisition related . In addition to on the CA side , you had some of the increased , you know , software and public cloud expenses that we expected .
Speaker #6: And we'll continue to see some of that growth . But I think this is a , you know , a good run rate to think about going into next year .
Speaker #6: And we actually we were down $1 million from Q2 . Right ? So we've actually continued to be very disciplined about the actual , you know , salary and benefits we have in the organization .
Speaker #6: But some of the acquisitions certainly added to that .
Speaker #7: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #3: The next question comes from Jacob Stephan of Lake Street Capital Markets . Please go ahead .
Speaker #9: Hey , good morning guys . Appreciate you taking the questions . Just kind of first , you know , asking on the guidance as well .
Speaker #9: You know some of these the construction vertical the you know the restaurants and wholesale trade maybe can you kind of help us think through you know , what potentially that represents as a , as a whole of , of merchant solutions .
Speaker #6: Perhaps to hey Jacob . Yeah . So the , the restaurant sector for us , we still feel like we're underweight in that vertical compared to the broader market .
Speaker #6: But it's , it's mid-teens , you know , high teens , 16 , 17% of our volume . You know construction is in the , you know , the mid digits from a percentage basis .
Speaker #6: Points wholesale trade is comparable to maybe a little bit higher than that . But again , some of the some of the slowdown we saw from same store sales standpoint was , was broad based .
Speaker #6: So those verticals were probably impacted a little bit more . But it was , you know , across a lot of the different end markets that we we service .
Speaker #9: Okay . And I know we talked a little bit about , you know , maybe potentially opening up some a greater risk profile in the portfolio .
Speaker #9: But has this kind of shifted that thought process at all .
Speaker #5: I don't know .
Speaker #6: If we're looking to increase the risk profile . I think we manage that very effectively . I think we had pared back some of the risk earlier in the year , given some of the changes in the the end market in some of the the network regulations and getting in front of that to create some headroom .
Speaker #6: But yeah , we're we're not looking to increase the risk across the portfolio . I think we're , we're generally a low risk portfolio .
Speaker #6: And where we do , you know , play in the specialized acquiring segment , we're very disciplined about how we approach that from a risk standpoint .
Speaker #8: Maybe one other , maybe one other point on that . Look , I and I'll point to I'll point to the acquisition , the we have a thesis around the future of automotive commerce and the acquisition of DMs .
Speaker #8: Is is a you know , I wouldn't call it a first step . I'll just call it an evolution of sort of what we built in preparation of , you know , of really leaning into that segment .
Speaker #8: So where that kind of reflects the risk side is say we're looking at industries that I would consider more defensive . The in the auto segment , sales are slowing .
Speaker #8: Their moderating for sure . And what that typically means . And you're seeing this in the stats is people own their cars longer , even if it's a pre-owned , you know , environment .
Speaker #8: It's just the cars are around longer , which means more service . So leaning into that narrative and you know , when sales go down , service goes up .
Speaker #8: So , you know , we really like the defensive nature of that . We're going to we're going to lean into that . We have some really good partners in addition to what we , you acquired with DMs .
Speaker #8: So those are those are sort of the types of strategies we're we're going to lean into because we think they make tremendous sense just from an addressable market .
Speaker #8: And the nature of of , you know , of the cash flow they they're very stable . And they actually when the economy maybe isn't as great , they , they tend to go up .
Speaker #8: So we're looking for other segments , you know , we're examining other strategies and segments like that . You know , Tim alluded to this as well .
Speaker #8: You know , our benefit costs are going up . There's a lot of controversy around affordable care and how that's all changing . Well , well , we're leaning into payroll and benefits .
Speaker #8: That's just a place to be because the the money we are fundamentally a commerce engine designed to move money through systems of commerce .
Speaker #8: Certainly card acquiring is one of them . But I can't underscore this enough . Two thirds of our gross profit is coming from segments outside of acquiring .
Speaker #8: Thats not accidental . So as we lean into these segments that just are defensive in nature , getting into the benefit segment , getting into things like auto like , that's how you create stable cash flows to really reward our investors for , you know , thinking over the long term .
Speaker #8: So I just invite everyone to examine those conditions and where we're positioned, because we have a very good cost basis entering these markets, and a lot of, you know, upside optionality to win.
Speaker #9: Yeah . Understood . And and obviously , you know , we see that reflected in the guidance with , you know , both profit metrics actually moving up .
Speaker #9: Let me ask this question . So the you know there's a 15 million kind of delta on the revenue line with , you know , we're essentially almost halfway through Q4 here .
Speaker #9: You know , what are really the the puts and takes that kind of get you to the high end versus , you know , where we might be at 950 for the full year .
Speaker #10: So .
Speaker #8: I'll say , I'm going to I'm going to ask him to follow up on this . But look , I , I'm going to just talk about our pipeline and , you know , Tim will maybe talk to trend .
Speaker #8: The upside guidance is activation of the pipeline . If it activates faster , then , you know , we've kind of modeled that all falls right to the bottom line .
Speaker #8: And these these customers , they're considerable . These are not these are coming from large enterprise segment . And it's why we have evolved our segment level reporting to reflect how customers are using Commerce engine .
Speaker #8: The customers that come in , they're using everything they're using acquiring . They're using payables . They're certainly using the Treasury solutions that we provide .
Speaker #8: So this gives us better visibility into just what's generating the income , if you will , and then as a result of that , just just how sticky it is .
Speaker #8: So , so that'll be one , you know , major influence in terms of , you know , where upside can come from .
Speaker #8: Let me let Tim comment on the on the trend line . And then I kind of have one other thought I want to share , but I want to let Tim weigh in here .
Speaker #6: So I think the other factor is certainly the volumes and merchant solutions , right ? We we took a pretty forensic analysis looking at , you know , quarter to date trends and looking at October trends compared to August and September .
Speaker #6: And you know , definitely have seen a little bit of an uptick in October . Right . Not not dramatic , but certainly improvement from what we saw in October , August and September , which gives us the comfort to think about the the guide for the balance of the year , where we're referencing mid-single digits , organic growth for merchant solutions .
Speaker #6: So you think about that core . It grew 4% in Q three . You know , we think we'll do better than that in Q4 , given some of the trends we've seen so far in October , plus , you know , to Tom's point , you know , some of these larger customers and ISVs , we've we've onboarded to the platform , which goes back to why we've changed the segment names as we interact with the investor community .
Sure Heron. Yeah, so specialized it's it's actually it's grown quarter over quarter, as we've moved through this year, you're just coming off, you know, a much larger year last year. Uh, this year's obviously been dampened a little bit by some of the, the network changes. Um, but we actually we saw some improvement in that business, you know, from, you know, q1 to Q2 and from Q2 to Q3, uh, and we expect that to continue in the Q4. So it's still a year-over-year headwind but, uh, that business is, is improving, uh, and we'll obviously anniversary some of those headwinds as we move into next year. Um, so I think that that will dissipate itself
On the historical residual purchases. Um, you know, we still have, you know, a meaningful amount of residuals there that will run off over time. It's it's a slow burn, but uh, you're seeing, you know, call it a, you know,
A half a million dollars, you know, a quarter of an impact, maybe a million dollars, a quarter of a year impact uh as that runs down.
Okay, that's helpful. And then you have a large partner that that's going through some challenges here in strategic changes driven by their new management. Just curious, are you seeing any impact in in your business from that as as you are a large distribution, partner to their SMB offering. So just anything to call out on underlying changes there and your outlook on that strategic relationship,
Um, I'm not that you.
You might be referring to, uh, um,
I'm trying to.
Oh look, I think we we can continue to see, you know good Trends across our portfolio with you know, the POS systems.
The top, you can probably offer a little more color specifically, but um, you know, we've still been very active in that market.
Yeah, and Brian I I apologize. I'm I'm actually uh
I'm I'm remote. So I'm on my mobile and you broke up a little bit on your question. Would you mind repeating it?
Yeah, just with all the changes going on with with 5 serving Clover. Um repricing and things like that is there is there any Downstream impact to the activity that you that you may be seeing?
Haven't seen changes in in trend, on on PS, uh, specific to Clover. Um, we're, we're 1 of their larger resellers I can like you certainly reflect that. Um,
there's um, um, you know, we
we actually, uh,
um, because of our positioning, we've been able to
Um, you know, really have a constructive relationship on on.
Um, material costs.
so,
Um, you know, making some some bulk purchases has been has been helpful. Um, so um, I don't, I don't know that that will necessarily continue with, um, fiser based on, you know, some of the conversations that that we've had and
just because they're they're, you know, the impact of tariffs are actually starting to flow through
with that said,
you know, our other segments of PS MX, you know, we've, um,
Within in the app but but again it's starting from a small base so you know that's really a 26 directive um for us.
okay, understood
The next question comes from vasu, govo of KBW. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thank you for taking my question I guess um the first 1 just on the gross profit guide. I know. Um the guy implies it pretty meaningful step up here in the fourth quarter I think to me alluded to it a little bit before but maybe you could just remind us what drives the acceleration from 3 to 4 q.
Sure. I think there's a couple factors so some of it is the um the higher organic growth. We think we're going to see in the, the merchant Solutions segments, based on what we've seen already and just some of the October Trends. Um, in addition to some of the, the onboarded, you know, larger customer wins and, you know, we've been we think conservative relative to the ramp on those and the balance of the year. Uh, but then you've also, you've got the impact of the Acquisitions, right? So, we acquired
Boom, Commerce in the middle of the quarter. Um, so we only had a partial quarter impact in Q3, and then DMS, you know, which we closed on, October, you know, 1st, right? So, we'll get a full quarter impact of that in Q4. So, you know, there is an acquisition related impact there as well, which gives us a lot of comfort around. You know what we see for Q4?
Not super helpful. And I guess just um, thank you for the preliminary color on next year. Um, I know it's still preliminary and they're probably a lot of put some dates there, but just, you know, historically, you Benchmark yourself as a low double digit grower, obviously, the macro is a little bit of a challenge here, but anything you can give us some kind of higher thinking about the building blocks and the puts and takes to get to that high single digit range.
Sure, I think it's it's continued, you know, mid single digit. Organic growth on the merchant solution side, followed by.
You know, low double digit growth in payables. And you know what we think is going to be you know, High Teens you know to 20% type growth in in treasury Solutions. Uh obviously some of the growth rate in Treasure Solutions has come down and just given a lot of large numbers but continue to see very strong Trends there. You know as Tom referenced uh we had our largest quarterly increase in deposits under Administration this quarter. You know, we grew deposits in administration by 200 million uh since Q2 and you know, see that accelerating. Um, so despite some of the lower interest rates, you know, we're out running that with, you know, continue to to grow the franchise and grow. What we're seeing on the deposits on Administration, uh, across our customer base. So, um, to your point it is early. Uh, we'll have more details on our full year, outlook on the Q4 and his call. But uh, just wanted to give everybody, you know, at least an initial guidance on how we're seeing next year based on current trends and um, the Acquisitions in addition to, um, you know, just out with some of the new customers. We onboarded already that we're seeing some impact from but not, not a lot yet.
again, just if I may just remark on that what, what will influence that, you know, as we guide through the year is,
Enterprise clients. Um, they operate a little bit differently in that.
Um,
you'll you'll start to absorb their portfolio particularly in the isv space.
Right. You'll start to absorb their portfolio as they extend the solution throughout their client base.
So,
To the extent. Those are those accelerate then
things pick up.
That's really what. We're what we're balancing out. Um, and, uh, uh, you know, just prudent seems to be the, you know, the best path. Um, and, uh, we have high degree of confidence in, in what, you know, has been reflected.
Thank you, Tom. Thanks for the color.
Yeah. And thank you, uh, by the way, for, for joining us, it's great to have you.
Appreciate that.
This concludes our question and answer session, I would like to turn the call back over to Tom priore for any closing remarks.
All right. Well, uh, want to thank everyone. Uh, uh, once again for, uh, you know, all of your focus on priority, uh, and, uh, you know, for, uh, um, you know, for really helping us, um, deliver our Value Story to investors, uh, and for those investors on the call, you know, thank you for your ongoing support. Um, we will get back to work.
Just now concluded.