Q3 2025 Gray Media Inc Earnings Call

Speaker #1: Good day , everyone , and thank you for joining this GRE media Q3 2025 Earnings Call . As a reminder , all phone participants have been placed in a muted or listen only mode to prevent background noise , and today's question and answer session will take place after our prepared remarks .

Speaker #1: And we ask today that you limit yourself to a single question and any follow ups follow ups you engage with management following today's call .

Speaker #1: As a reminder , today's session is also being recorded . It's now my pleasure to turn the floor over to our host , CEO and president , Mr. Hilton Howell Jr .

Speaker #1: Please go ahead , sir .

Speaker #2: Thank you . Operator . Good morning everyone . As the operator mentioned , this is Hilton Howell , the chairman and CEO of GRE media .

Speaker #2: And I want to thank all of you for joining our third quarter 2020 earnings call . As usual , all of our executive officers are here with me in Atlanta .

Speaker #2: Patrick LaPlatney , our president and co-CEO , Sandy Breslin , our chief operating officer , Kevin Latek , our chief legal and development officer .

Speaker #2: And Jeff Chiniak , our chief legal . I'm sorry , our chief financial officer . And then also we have Jim here for the last formal time to join us here .

Speaker #2: But he won't be doing anything but telling us what the right answers are. So, and so, we will begin with a disclaimer that Kevin will be providing.

Speaker #3: Thank you Hilton . Good morning everyone . Today we filed with the SEC on form 8-K . Our earnings release , and an updated investor slides .

Speaker #3: Later today . We will file with the SEC our quarterly report on Form 10-q . These materials are all available on our website , which is WW , GRE , Media.com .

Speaker #3: Included on the call may be a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, in particular, the adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio, denominator, and certain leverage ratios.

Speaker #3: These metrics are not meant to replace GAAP measurements, but are provided as supplements to assist the public in its analysis and evaluation of our company.

Speaker #3: Further discussions and reconciliations of the company's non-GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP financial measures can be found on our website . All statements and comments made by management during this conference call , other than statements of historical fact , should be deemed forward looking statements .

Speaker #3: These forward looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties . Actual results in the future could differ from those described in the forward looking statements .

Speaker #3: As a result of various important factors that are contained in our most recent filings with the SEC . We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements , whether as a result of new information , future events or otherwise .

Speaker #3: Now I return the call to Hilton .

Speaker #2: Thank you . Kevin . Today we are very happy to announce that our results for the third quarter of 2025 compared favorably to our Q3 guidance for both revenues and expenses .

Speaker #2: Total revenue in the third quarter of 2025 was $749 million . At the high end of our guidance for the quarter , total operating expenses before depreciation and amortization , impairment and gain or loss in any disposal of assets in the third quarter were 592 million , which was $17 million below the low end of our guidance .

Speaker #2: While some of this was due to tightening the belt at the corporate headquarters , I want to take a moment to thank our TV stations .

Speaker #2: The uniform contributions resulted in a much lower expense than we had in previous operating quarters. So, thank you for that. The net loss attributable to common stockholders was $23 million in the third quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: Adjusted EBITDA was 162 million . In the third quarter of 2025 , and political advertising revenue hit $8 million , which finished above our expectations for an off cycle year .

Speaker #2: In addition to these operating results, the third quarter saw a significant acceleration of mergers and acquisition activity as we look to identify and negotiate accretive transactions that strengthen our business and our balance sheet.

Speaker #2: All told , we as we have described previously , we anticipated , anticipate entering into six new markets by acquiring the local news station that was ranked number one .

Speaker #2: In their respective markets in 2024 . We also planned to create 11 new big Four full duopolies , and we may deal with this in questions , but we believe these duopolies are absolutely necessary for our industry and to preserve local news in respective smaller markets .

Speaker #2: We also made significant progress on strengthening our balance sheet during the third quarter of 2025 . The financing transactions completed in July were transformational and provide additional avenues for us to manage our debt and our leverage .

Speaker #2: As noted in our press release this morning , our Board of Directors has declared an eight cent per share quarterly common dividend , which is consistent with recent quarters and as always , the board will consider capital allocation each quarter in light of other opportunities to to deploy capital for growth .

Speaker #2: Operationally , we continue to enhance our local content offerings in the third quarter of 2025 , we renewed our partnership with the Suns and the Mercury , and we expanded our sports portfolio to include the Dallas Stars , outer markets , investigate TV premiered its third season in September and also launched a multi-platform project to educate viewers about artificial intelligence .

Speaker #2: We also announced a first of its kind partnership with Google Cloud , powered by quick Play to revolutionize how our viewers find and connect with our content .

Speaker #2: This new streaming structure will begin rolling out in all grey markets in January next year . In August , we announced that we renewed our affiliation agreement covering our 27 Fox markets for two additional years .

Speaker #2: Our station in Atlanta became an independent television station on August 16th , and as we expected , is off to an exceptionally strong start , adding over 25.5 hours of news and other locally focused programming in our home market .

Speaker #2: Here in Atlanta . Finally , we are continuing to work with potential development partners at Assembly Atlanta who are contributing their financial resources and development expertise .

Speaker #2: As we look to build and monetize our investment in this remarkable asset , we expect to have more announcements in the following quarter and next year about all of these exciting plans .

Speaker #2: We have made a lot of progress so far in 2025 , and we are excited that we're capitalizing on opportunities across multiple aspects of our business to enhance value for all of our stakeholders .

Speaker #2: At this time , I'll turn the call over to Pat to address our operations . Thanks , Hilton Q3 continued the theme we've been describing throughout 25 with advertisers remaining somewhat cautious due to the macro environment through the quarter , though , we saw core activity strengthen more than we had projected back in August , and we ultimately finished on the high side of guidance .

Speaker #2: Remember that the Olympics on NBC provided about $2,020 million uplift in July and August of 24 , of which about 16 million was core ad revenue and 4 million was political factoring .

Speaker #2: That in our third quarter was up about 1% over 24 from a category perspective , in first and second quarters . And as we guided for third quarter , automotive finished down high single digits services as a whole were up , driven by legal , which continues to grow at double digit percentages versus last year and is a top five category for gray .

Speaker #2: The financial services category is also a bright spot up high single digit percentages . Digital continued its healthy growth in our new local direct business was up low single digits over the same period in 24 .

Speaker #2: Our sales teams continue to perform admirably in a challenging environment . Political ad revenue exceeded our expectations in third quarter of 25 . Our guide for the third quarter was 6 to 7 million .

Speaker #2: In our actual results, we came in at $8 million. Some of this revenue was generated from issue advertisers supporting the president's legislative priorities.

Speaker #2: We also saw early spending supporting 2026 U.S. Senate candidates and generated good results in Virginia from the 25 governor and attorney general races.

Speaker #2: Our fourth quarter 25 guidance is for core ad revenue to be up low . Single digits , as we have less challenging comps due to political displacement in the prior year quarter .

Speaker #2: October finished up low double digits, which really isn't surprising given the significant demand from political advertisers in the prior year period. It's also encouraging that, as of today, November and December are pacing up slightly across categories.

Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter , we're seeing a lot of green in services like legal , financial , home improvement , and yes , in financial home improvement , supermarkets and travel and tourism are trending better .

Speaker #2: And it's good to see automotive flattening out at a new run rate down low single digits as opposed to the higher single digits numbers we saw earlier in the year .

Speaker #2: Jeff will now address the key financial developments . Thanks , Pat . As Hilton mentioned earlier , we continued to make progress on our balance sheet during the third quarter .

Speaker #2: We took advantage of strong debt market conditions in July to extend our maturity . profile out to 2033 . Our capital markets activities addressed all material , all material maturities through December of 28 , with a modest impact of less than 25 basis points on our overall cost of debt .

Speaker #2: We finished the third quarter with over $900 million in liquidity and $232 million.

Speaker #4: In availability on our open market repurchase authorization . Our leverage metrics at nine , 30 , 25 were 2.72 times first lien leverage ratio , 3.66 secured leverage ratio , which includes the second lien .

Speaker #4: That's new . This period . And 5.77 times total leverage ratio . Each of those calculated as prescribed in our senior credit agreement .

Speaker #4: On our second quarter call , we discussed the expected impact of our pending M&A transactions on our leverage . We continue to estimate that if we close those transactions today using cash on hand and or revolver borrowings , our total leverage ratio , again , is defined in our senior credit agreement would be approximately a quarter turn lower than where we finished the quarter .

Speaker #4: Our expense reductions continue to show up in our results , and we're proud of our team for the company wide focus on cost containment in third quarter of 2025 , our station level operating expenses , excluding network affiliation fees , were actually down $8 million , or 2% , compared to third quarter of 24 .

Speaker #4: And that follows a decline in first quarter versus first quarter of 24 . And flat in second quarter versus second quarter of 24 .

Speaker #4: We've had a lot of questions about net retrans . So let me provide a little more context to help everyone understand the current situation .

Speaker #4: We've discussed our multiyear effort working towards sustainability with our Mvpd and network partners . In third quarter . Our network affiliation expenses declined by 9% , while our retransmission consent revenue declined by 6% .

Speaker #4: Our fourth quarter guide, which now fully excludes the expected impact on both revenue and expenses related to conf, is that our retransmission consent revenue, less network affiliation fees, will decline slightly compared to the prior year period.

Speaker #4: That decline is primarily attributable to in Atlanta shifting to be independent . Our guide for full year cash taxes for 2025 remains at 39 million , and we continue to expect that we will have no further cash tax payments this year .

Speaker #4: We've reduced our expected CapEx range for full year 2025 by $15 million to a new range of 70 to 75 million , again reflecting a company wide effort on where and when to invest .

Speaker #4: We expect the further reimbursement related to public works construction at Assembly Atlanta to be received prior to year-end, such that our net capital investment in Assembly Atlanta during 2025 will be zero.

Speaker #4: That concludes my remarks , and I'll turn the call back to Hilton .

Speaker #2: Thank you so much , Jeff . And so , operator , let us open it up to any questions anyone may have .

Speaker #1: Thank you . Gentlemen , and to our audience joining over the phone at this time , if you would like to ask a question , simply press the star followed by the digit one on your telephone keypad .

Speaker #1: Pressing star one will place your line into a queue and I will open your lines one at a time . Also , we kindly ask today that you limit yourself to a single question and then if you have a follow up , you're invited to contact management with a message or email .

Speaker #1: Following today's session . Once again , ladies and gentlemen , that is star and one . If you would like to ask a question , we'll hear first from the line of Dan Chernoff at the Benchmark Company .

Speaker #5: Yeah , great . Thanks . Good morning guys . Nice print I guess . Jeff , thanks for the color around that Retrans super helpful .

Speaker #5: You're finishing the year at this . 202 to 203 is that kind of the right run rate ? We should think of as we start heading into 26 ?

Speaker #5: You know , should we think about things kind of puts and takes there on the reverse side . And obviously you have renewals .

Speaker #5: So I know you're not going to guide to net next year . But it just feels like it could be a accelerating net year .

Speaker #5: So just any directional color would be helpful . Thank you .

Speaker #4: Yeah Dan . So I let me let me focus the commentary more on the net because that's really where how we think about it .

Speaker #4: You know, there are hundreds of contracts that underlie all of this. So the way to really think about it is that you can see how much it has flattened out.

Speaker #4: Even if you go back to 24 versus 23 . And where the guide implies for full year , 25 versus 24 . So you're seeing the quarters flatten out and you know it's too early to give a guide for full year .

Speaker #4: But there's really this flattening that's occurring in front of us. And look, ideally it could turn positive. And we're hopeful. But the big input there is sub declines.

Speaker #4: And we don't know those .

Speaker #1: Our next question will come from Aaron Watts at Deutsche Bank .

Speaker #6: Hi . Thanks . Thanks for having me on . Core advertising was down 4% in the first half of this year , down three in the third quarter .

Speaker #6: And you're guiding flat to up low single digits for four . Q I know there's some noise in those numbers , but you're closing the book on a tough 2025 with improved momentum .

Speaker #6: How does that frame the discussion on core for next year , when you'll have the typical political crowd out in what's expected to be a very healthy political spending cycle , but also a lot of incremental sports content and hopefully firming across key verticals as well .

Speaker #2: Yeah , Aaron , it's Pat , I would say that we're really optimistic about 2026 . You know , we have some early Q1 numbers that are encouraging .

Speaker #2: In fact , very encouraging . You know , towards the end of the year , we'll obviously get political crowd out , you know , as you know , you saw in the comps for this year from last year , but as we sit here today , we're very , very optimistic about 2026 .

Speaker #1: Our next question this morning will come from Patrick Scholl at Barrington Research .

Speaker #7: Hi . Thanks for taking the question . Just another follow up on the ad trends . You know , with the with the rebrand of the Atlanta station , could you maybe talk about like the advertiser reception to that increase in news content and if there was any sort of , I guess , disruption in how that viewership of that is as that station transitioned ?

Speaker #8: Yeah . This is Sandy . You know , we've had really good reception to what we're doing in Atlanta . We added 25 hours of local news in sports , and viewers are responding .

Speaker #8: We're seeing gains in mornings and key demos and in prime access , and we're able to really serve the community with hyper local content .

Speaker #8: And their responding and it's quality content . This is a team that won 26 Southeast Emmy Awards and a National Emmy Award this year , so the quality of the content people are finding it .

Speaker #8: They're staying with us longer , and we expect those numbers to continue to grow .

Speaker #2: Well . And Patrick , I just want to tell you , I wasn't there because I was previously committed , but Sandy and Pat were plus our whole team at ANF , and for the first time ever .

Speaker #2: And so we may be repeating this in the future . We used a stage at Assembly Atlanta and we had a full scale local , you know , Telemundo Peachtree TV , CW upfront for all of the advertising community .

Speaker #2: And it was hugely well attended and it really helped set the whole transition off to an independent station in a remarkable , remarkable way .

Speaker #2: We see this as being the ANF is being the local CNN from the days when Ted Turner owns CNN for our local market .

Speaker #2: In this really growing and really exciting city of Atlanta , and that upfronts was unique , different and special . I'd add that we renewed our our renewed our Hawks deal and our Braves deal for 2026 is going to kick in in March .

Speaker #2: With a ten game spring training schedule and the ratings last year were great for those games . So there's a lot of momentum over there .

Speaker #1: Thank you , gentlemen . And to our phone audience , once again , that is star and one . If you would like to ask a question , if you find your question has been asked and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue , repeating the steps of star and one will also remove you , we'll hear next from the line of Craig Huber at Huber Research .

Speaker #1: Please go ahead .

Speaker #9: Great . Thank you . My one question has to do with this assembly . Atlanta , can you remind us , please , of what the total cost , the net cost you've done there so far ?

Speaker #9: I believe it's around 600 million , but along those fronts , can you just touch on when you think you're going to get a proper ROI off that spend ?

Speaker #9: I see your production company EBITDA was about 3 million in the quarter , but just when do you think you'll be getting fuller lease commitments , etc.

Speaker #9: ? What the number will go up significantly . Thank you .

Speaker #2: Greg . We are not a development company , but we are actually and have been from day one on the building portion of what we had at the old General Motors plant , which is the studios .

Speaker #2: It is doing quite well . The partnership between NBC universal and Gray Media is is probably stronger than ever . They're bringing their shows in .

Speaker #2: We have leased out things and we actually heard last night and we kind of think that the dam may be broken , that Hulu renewed a third season on a show that we believe is going to occupy three of our stages out there .

Speaker #2: I can't commit to you today . That's going to happen , but it is . And so each of those parts add to a growing EBITDA out of what's been built .

Speaker #2: We're not making money, Craig, on raw land, but we are in negotiations with a wide variety of parties who will bring their financial assets.

Speaker #2: And we will be entering into joint ventures with them to create assets that we would like to maintain an interest in , and then other assets like , you know , a an apartment complex .

Speaker #2: We may just absolutely sell and liquidate . As Jeff mentioned , we have finished up sort of the last obstacles to getting about $25 million back from the cities , which we will be picking up in Q4 .

Speaker #2: And so we're not going to go in like what we've got coming , but it's really , really , really exciting . And I think within 12 to 24 months , I think it will be the biggest cash flowing operation we've got in the company .

Speaker #4: And Craig , just to follow up on the numbers , it's around 650 million of net investment thus far . There will be , as Hilton just mentioned , some of the development ideas that are being basically diligence at this point .

Speaker #4: Those will they can we can get return either of capital or on capital as those come to fruition . So as Hilton mentioned , you know , later , later in the year , hopefully by the time we have our next call , hopefully we'll have more to report .

Speaker #4: There's a lot of activity and a lot going on up there .

Speaker #1: Our next .

Speaker #2: Question . Go right ahead . Operator .

Speaker #1: Apologies , sir . I did not mean to speak over you . We will hear next from Mr. Steven Cahill at Wells Fargo .

Speaker #3: Thank you .

Speaker #10: So a question on M&A . I mean , you've been very active already this year between the announced deals and the swaps and related to pushing some of the debt out .

Speaker #10: So I know you're in a strong position to figure the next few years out . There's always the risk that things happen . And I guess that you're not a part of in terms of mergers and acquisitions .

Speaker #10: So how do you think about maybe something that's more strategic on the M&A side right now ? And what do you look for ?

Speaker #10: That would be a particularly attractive sort of large scale transaction , if that is indeed something that could be on your radar .

Speaker #3: Hey , Steven , it's Kevin . Just to repeat what we said last time , we are laser focused on the deals that we announced in the third quarter .

Speaker #3: Government being shut for so long is really delayed . Our our efforts to work on that approval process and transition . But we , you know , we remain fully committed and fully occupied by those transactions looking sort of down the road into the future .

Speaker #3: I think it was really a question . We think there are other opportunities to do transactions like the ones we've done here , which is say , sub $200 million deleveraging deals that improve our portfolio and our balance sheet , those we will look at again down the road as we get get through these transactions .

Speaker #3: Also closing these transactions will give us some real Intel on where the new regulatory restrictions will be . We have FCC proceedings that are ongoing and more news will come out of that by the end of this year , which will provide all of us some additional insight into what our real opportunities are .

Speaker #3: I would say from the very beginning , this company was a essentially single TV station . It was about becoming a large company with very , very high quality TV stations , and we stuck to that .

Speaker #3: Now for decades . It's number one strong . Number two TV stations . There are a lot of stations out there that we think would be good fits for gray , and we're going to continue our focus on transactions that improve the overall portfolio , that don't tax the balance sheet with high quality assets and great employees .

Speaker #3: So again , thinking down the road , nothing's really changed in our views . There .

Speaker #2: I will add to that , Steven , with regard to smaller acquisitions and what we announced in Q3 , we did a lot of transactions of markets that really helped fill in our footprint , particularly of footprint , that we want to address with regard to our sports partners that we have created .

Speaker #2: And so you need to know that's very much part of what we're doing . And we've created I can't remember how many sanding different sports networks across the United States .

Speaker #2: 1313 . So and they literally go really from coast to coast and , you know , we like to fill those holes in .

Speaker #2: And so , you know , you can kind of look at our map and get a guess where we might be interested in going in terms of really big transactions .

Speaker #2: Obviously , there was sort of some news on TV news check this morning . And , you know , we're well aware of that .

Speaker #2: And but there's nothing that we are in deep negotiation with at the moment . But you know , we're in a period of time in our industry where things change faster than I've ever , ever seen it .

Speaker #2: And for the first time in the history of our business , we are really operating in the wild , wild West . No one knows what the rules actually are .

Speaker #2: And anybody that tells you that they do is is just wrong . I mean , they just don't . They can't . Now , there's a lot of things that we think we can do , but also , you know , the one thing I don't want to get to happen to our company is to do any deal that would put the basic company , you know , in any kind of risk .

Speaker #2: We have 10,000 employees and all of their families to look after. And that's sort of my first job: looking after what they do.

Speaker #2: Now . There's a lot of big opportunities to grow , but unlike perhaps some of our competitors , I don't believe and my management team unanimously does not believe that gray actually has to do anything .

Speaker #2: I mean that we're just fine where we are and we can carry on our previously announced efforts to just reduce our debt . And , you know , pay it down .

Speaker #2: And then return more to our shareholders . But if not , and if we get an opportunity at the right price to get much bigger .

Speaker #2: We're not going to we're not going to run from it . We're not going to run from it . There are a lot of opportunities to make a bigger company that does better by its shareholders and than from our standpoint , does better by creating more local news within its individual community .

Speaker #2: If you go back and you look at the full 30 plus year history of building this company , the reason we only bought number one and number two stations is because we know that those stations deliver something that is absolutely needed , and today , local news is threatened and we're going to do everything we can to make sure that that threatened piece of what needs to be done in our country is retained and enhanced .

Speaker #2: So that will drive our M&A discussions .

Speaker #1: Again , to our phone audience today , that is star and one . If you would like to place yourself in the queue for a question , we'll hear next from Shana Queue at Barclays .

Speaker #11: You guys , for taking my question . Sorry if I missed this , but thank historically for Q ahead of a political year generated 2030 million of revenue , and I think in the fourth quarter guide , it's 7 to 8 million .

Speaker #11: I guess just what's driving that delta if it seems like political is still going to be a reasonably strong year into 2026 .

Speaker #3: Sure . Hi . This is Kevin . The first half of this year is essentially the same political revenue we had in the first half , two years ago , and four years ago .

Speaker #3: And there's always puts and takes . There was some Georgia run Georgia Senate runoff money in early 21 . For example . Some ballot initiatives pop up that generate a lot of money .

Speaker #3: A couple of years ago , Maine had about an issue that was brought in more money than the Virginia governor's race for us , despite our bigger presence in Virginia .

Speaker #3: So there's always sort of puts and takes in the second half of this year. We just did not see up until this week.

Speaker #3: We've not seen Ezra spending on races that we have seen in in prior off years . We would attribute that not to any sort of change in in the dynamic of the rate of necessarily our coverage of the races .

Speaker #3: But rather the fundraising levels were really different this year for the last ten months , there's been , at least in my world , in Washington , a feeling that the Trump administration was doing more than any prior administration .

Speaker #3: And the Democrats were not , let's say , effectively addressing those issues . And there was a lot of sort of seemingly some hand-wringing on the Democratic side about Trump administration's efforts and the election on Tuesday showed that not only were the polls radically wrong , but the Democrats did exceptionally well from statewide races in Georgia to California .

Speaker #3: Virginia State House across the board, it would appear this week that the Democrats have a much better shot at races that were written off as recently as a week ago.

Speaker #3: From races that we expected to not be competitive will be competitive , and that fundraising for the Democrats is going to change in a very material way .

Speaker #3: Now that the electorate showed on Tuesday that the Democrats do have a really good shot in a lot of races . So we have seen just not a lot of , frankly , very strong Democratic fundraising .

Speaker #3: This year to support the races . We went into on Tuesday . And at least as of our last read on on Pacings last week that we used for our guidance , we have not anticipated a a huge upsurge in spending in the fourth quarter of this year for races that happened next year , like we've seen in the last couple of cycles .

Speaker #3: We're pretty optimistic that this is going to change because of the outcome on Tuesday this week, and we certainly hope to see that Democratic fundraising flow through pretty quickly to support the races that are going to happen in the primaries next year.

Speaker #3: And of course , the general next November . And what we do know is Democrats are spending heavily . The Republicans will follow .

Speaker #3: We've seen a number of races where we're , it seems , candidate quality is where we've talked about the last couple elections . It's back on back in the dialogue again this week .

Speaker #3: And some races next year seem to be attracting some marquee names on both sides . So I think we're set up really well for next year .

Speaker #3: This year we are a bit disappointed in the fundraising levels that impacted us in the second quarter , but we also went into the year expecting us political not to be as strong as it has been .

Speaker #3: So we're actually pretty happy with how political is done versus our expectations . At the beginning of this year . So that would be our view on political at this time .

Speaker #2: Sharon . This is Hilton . Let me just add something . I stayed up late and watched the returns on Tuesday night , and it was a Democratic blowout .

Speaker #2: And , you know , I left regardless of where people come out on political , what I love is a great , you know , a great fight out there .

Speaker #2: And I think the Democrats can raise a ton of money . And I know the Republicans are going to be able to do the same thing .

Speaker #2: And so, my confidence in the level of political spending in the midterm this year is tremendous. I think it's going to be gargantuan.

Speaker #2: I'm really looking forward to seeing it all rolling in .

Speaker #1: Next question today will come from the line of Avi Steiner at JP Morgan . Please go ahead . Your line is open .

Speaker #12: Thank you . Good morning . I would love to get your thoughts on the YouTube TV carriage dispute . What might the impact be on future negotiations and maybe between affiliates and networks as well going forward ?

Speaker #12: And thank you for the time .

Speaker #2: Sure , Avi , it's Pat . Look the situation with our ABC stations going off YouTube is is frustrating . Obviously we'd prefer to have a voice in the Vmvpd negotiations for our stations .

Speaker #2: We don't , you know , hopefully they get it worked out soon . I can't I can't really speculate on , you know , what's going to happen here , how it's going to impact the market going forward .

Speaker #2: But this is these are two very big companies have very big footprints . And again , it's our hope that for the good of both companies and candidly , the American consumer , they get something worked out soon .

Speaker #2: So that's our thoughts . It is . But it is very frustrating that , you know we're getting penalized and have no control over the outcome of that dispute .

Speaker #2: But like the government dispute , we hope they all come to come to a positive conclusion soon .

Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen , we thank you all for your questions and comments today . Again , if you did have a question or comment or follow up that we didn't get to today , you are invited to reach out to management following today's conference .

Speaker #1: It is now my pleasure to turn the call back to Mr. Hilton and our management team for any additional or closing remarks .

Speaker #2: Thank you . Operator . And I want to thank you all for the questions . I , in closing , I just want to say that the first half of 2020 , 25 , the third quarter was very , very busy and we accomplished a tremendous number of objectives that will have long term benefits to Gray Media and all of its stakeholders .

Speaker #2: We will continue to take actions to enhance the value for our advertisers, for our investors, and for the communities and families that we serve.

Speaker #2: And I really want to take everyone to thank everyone for joining the call today . And we'll talk to you next quarter .

Speaker #1: Thank you . Ladies and gentlemen , for joining today's Gray Media Q3 2025 Earnings Call . You may now disconnect your lines and have a good day .