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Q4 2025 Sanofi SA Earnings Call
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Speaker #3: Hello everyone, this is Thomas Q. Larsen from the Sanofi IR team. Welcome to the Q4 and full year 2025 conference call for investors and analysts.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Hello, everyone. This is Thomas Kudsk Larsen from the Sanofi IR team. Welcome to the Q4 and Full Year 2025 Conference Call for Investors and Analysts. As usual, you can find slides on sanofi.com. Please turn to slide number 3. Here we have the usual forward-looking statements. We would like to remind you that information presented in this call contains forward-looking statements, which are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. We encourage you to read the disclaimer in our slide presentation. In addition, we refer you to our Form 20-F on file with the SEC and our French universal registration document for a description of these risk factors. As usual, we'll be making comments on our performance using constant exchange rates and other non-IFRS measures.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Hello, everyone. This is Thomas Kudsk Larsen from the Sanofi IR team. Welcome to the Q4 and Full Year 2025 Conference Call for Investors and Analysts. As usual, you can find slides on sanofi.com. Please turn to slide number 3. Here we have the usual forward-looking statements. We would like to remind you that information presented in this call contains forward-looking statements, which are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. We encourage you to read the disclaimer in our slide presentation. In addition, we refer you to our Form 20-F on file with the SEC and our French universal registration document for a description of these risk factors. As usual, we'll be making comments on our performance using constant exchange rates and other non-IFRS measures.
Speaker #3: As usual, you can find slides on sanofi.com. Please turn to slide number three. Here we have the usual forward-looking statements. We would like to remind you that information presented in this call contains forward-looking statements, which are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially.
Speaker #3: We encourage you to read the disclaimer in our slide presentation. In addition, we refer you to our form 20F on file with the USACC and our French Universal Registration Document for description of these risk factors.
Speaker #3: As usual, we'll be making comments on our performance using constant exchange rates and other non-IFRS measures. Numbers used are in millions of euros and for Q4 or full year 2025 unlisted otherwise.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Numbers used are in EUR millions and for Q4 or full year 2025 unless stated otherwise. Please turn to slide number 4. First, we have a presentation, which is a little longer due to full year results. Then we will take your questions. We aim at keeping it all to 1 hour, perhaps a little bit more, including questions. We appreciate other companies are also reporting today. For the Q&A, we have Olivier, Brian, and Thomas to cover our global businesses, as well as Roy, our General Counsel, and Brendan, Head of Manufacturing and Supply. For the Q&A, you can participate in two ways, either raise your hand in Zoom or submit your question using the Q&A feature. With all of this, I'll now hand you over to Paul.
Numbers used are in EUR millions and for Q4 or full year 2025 unless stated otherwise. Please turn to slide number 4. First, we have a presentation, which is a little longer due to full year results. Then we will take your questions. We aim at keeping it all to 1 hour, perhaps a little bit more, including questions. We appreciate other companies are also reporting today. For the Q&A, we have Olivier, Brian, and Thomas to cover our global businesses, as well as Roy, our General Counsel, and Brendan, Head of Manufacturing and Supply. For the Q&A, you can participate in two ways, either raise your hand in Zoom or submit your question using the Q&A feature. With all of this, I'll now hand you over to Paul.
Speaker #3: Please turn to slide number four. First, we have a presentation which is a little longer due to full year results than we will take your questions.
Speaker #3: We aim at keeping it all to one hour. Perhaps a little bit more, including questions. We appreciate other companies are also reporting today. For the Q&A, we have Olivier Ryan, and Thomas to cover our global businesses as well as Roy, our general counsel and Brendan, head of manufacturing and supply.
Speaker #3: For the Q&A, you can participate in two ways. Either raise your hand in Zoom or submit your question using the Q&A feature. With all of this, I'll now hand you over to
Speaker #3: Paul. Well, thank you
Paul Hudson: Well, thank you and hello, everyone. In 2025, we continued to develop into an R&D-driven AI-powered biopharma company. Our strategic progress was supported by the completion of the Opella transaction, allowing us to reinvest proceeds into business development and M&A opportunities while completing our EUR 5 billion share buyback program. We've delivered strong performance with 9.9% sales growth, and new launches reached EUR 5.7 billion in sales. We're pleased to have achieved another blockbuster milestone last year with Altuviiio. We successfully launched two new medicines, Qvyfylia for hemophilia and Wayrilz for ITP, and one vaccine, Nuvaxovid, to protect against COVID-19. We also achieved several positive phase 3 results, including most of the Amlitelimab program in AD and the Sarclisa subcutaneous formulation. Our innovation engine continues to make progress, replenishing phase 1, including three promising gene therapies, our entry into ophthalmology.
Paul Hudson: Well, thank you and hello, everyone. In 2025, we continued to develop into an R&D-driven AI-powered biopharma company. Our strategic progress was supported by the completion of the Opella transaction, allowing us to reinvest proceeds into business development and M&A opportunities while completing our EUR 5 billion share buyback program. We've delivered strong performance with 9.9% sales growth, and new launches reached EUR 5.7 billion in sales. We're pleased to have achieved another blockbuster milestone last year with Altuviiio. We successfully launched two new medicines, Qvyfylia for hemophilia and Wayrilz for ITP, and one vaccine, Nuvaxovid, to protect against COVID-19. We also achieved several positive phase 3 results, including most of the Amlitelimab program in AD and the Sarclisa subcutaneous formulation. Our innovation engine continues to make progress, replenishing phase 1, including three promising gene therapies, our entry into ophthalmology.
Speaker #4: And hello everyone. In 2025, we continue to develop into an R&D-driven, AI-powered biopharma company. Our strategic progress was supported by the completion of the appellate transaction, allowing us to reinvest proceeds into business development and M&A opportunities, while completing our $5 billion share buyback program.
Speaker #4: We have a strong performance with 9.9% sales growth, and new launches reached $5.7 billion in sales. We're pleased we've achieved another blockbuster milestone last year with Altuvio.
Speaker #4: We successfully launched two new medicines, Qifilia for haemophilia and Werials for ITP, and one vaccine, Vaxavid, to protect against COVID-19. We also achieved several positive phase 3 results, including most of the amlitalamide program in AD, and the Sarclisa subcutaneous formulation.
Speaker #4: Our innovation engine continues to make progress, replenishing phase one including three promising gene therapies: RN3 into ophthalmology. Looking at Q4 performance on slide six, we delivered very strong results with 11.3 billion in sales and 13.3% growth.
Paul Hudson: Looking at Q4 performance on slide 6, we delivered very strong results with EUR 11.3 billion in sales and 13.3% growth, supported of course by our key drivers. Turning to our launches on slide 7, I'm pleased to report that our newly launched medicines and vaccines grew 34% in 2025.... Beyfortus continued to deliver with EUR 1.8 billion in full year sales, demonstrating the critical need for RSV protection. Altuviiio achieved blockbuster status, reaching EUR 1.2 billion in full year sales. Patient adoption continues to increase, with patients switching from both factor and non-factor medicines. Of note, Ayvakit reached $725 million in annual pro forma sales, slightly ahead of Blueprint's expectations from early 2025. Our newly launched medicines and vaccines demonstrate our commitment to innovation and the strength of our commercial organization.
Looking at Q4 performance on slide 6, we delivered very strong results with EUR 11.3 billion in sales and 13.3% growth, supported of course by our key drivers. Turning to our launches on slide 7, I'm pleased to report that our newly launched medicines and vaccines grew 34% in 2025.... Beyfortus continued to deliver with EUR 1.8 billion in full year sales, demonstrating the critical need for RSV protection. Altuviiio achieved blockbuster status, reaching EUR 1.2 billion in full year sales. Patient adoption continues to increase, with patients switching from both factor and non-factor medicines. Of note, Ayvakit reached $725 million in annual pro forma sales, slightly ahead of Blueprint's expectations from early 2025. Our newly launched medicines and vaccines demonstrate our commitment to innovation and the strength of our commercial organization.
Speaker #4: our key drivers. Supported, of course, by Turning to our launches on slide seven, I'm pleased to report that our newly launched medicines and vaccines group 34% in 2025.
Speaker #4: Before us continued to deliver with 1.8 billion euros in full year sales, demonstrating the critical need for RSV protection. Altuvio achieved blockbuster status reaching 1.2 billion euros in full year sales.
Speaker #4: Patient adoption continues to increase, with patients switching from both factor and non-factor medicines. Of note, AVAKIT reached $725 million in annual pro-pharma sales.
Speaker #4: Slightly ahead of blueprints expectations from early 2025. Our newly launched medicines and vaccines demonstrate our commitment to innovation and the strength of our commercial organization.
Speaker #4: Moving to slide eight, we fixed and reached €4.2 billion in the quarter and €15.7 billion in annual sales. Continued growth across anchor indications and expansion into COPD, CSU, and BP drove a more than 30% increase in patients over the past year.
Paul Hudson: Moving to slide 8. Dupixent reached EUR 4.2 billion in the quarter, and EUR 15.7 billion in annual sales. Continued growth across anchor indications and expansion into COPD, CSU, and BP, drove a more than 30% increase in patients over the past year. This underscores Dupixent's standing as the number one prescribed biologic across dermatologists, pulmonologists, allergists, and ear, nose, and throat specialists. The US regulatory acceptance for the allergic fungal rhinosinusitis indication in November, brings us closer to a potential ninth indication, further expanding Dupixent's reach. Turning to vaccines, we maintain our leadership in influenza and RSV, despite a challenging environment. Full year sales reached EUR 7.9 billion. In influenza, we gained US market share with the Fluzone High-Dose and Flublok, while Europe saw continued penetration of Efluelda and Supemtek.
Moving to slide 8. Dupixent reached EUR 4.2 billion in the quarter, and EUR 15.7 billion in annual sales. Continued growth across anchor indications and expansion into COPD, CSU, and BP, drove a more than 30% increase in patients over the past year. This underscores Dupixent's standing as the number one prescribed biologic across dermatologists, pulmonologists, allergists, and ear, nose, and throat specialists. The US regulatory acceptance for the allergic fungal rhinosinusitis indication in November, brings us closer to a potential ninth indication, further expanding Dupixent's reach. Turning to vaccines, we maintain our leadership in influenza and RSV, despite a challenging environment. Full year sales reached EUR 7.9 billion. In influenza, we gained US market share with the Fluzone High-Dose and Flublok, while Europe saw continued penetration of Efluelda and Supemtek.
Speaker #4: This underscores Dupixent's standing as the number one prescribed biologic across dermatologists, pulmonologists, allergists, and ear, nose, and throat specialists. The US regulatory acceptance for the allergic fungal rhinosinusitis indication in November brings us closer to a potential ninth indication.
Speaker #4: Further expanding Dupixent's reach. Turning to vaccines, we maintain our leadership and influenza and RSV despite a challenging environment. Full year sales reached 7.9 billion euros in influenza.
Speaker #4: We gained US market share with the flu zone high dose and flu block while Europe saw continued penetration of Efluelder and Sipanta. Before us delivered a strong performance growing 9.5% to 1.8 billion euro ahead of our anticipated modest growth and driven by geographic expansion across Europe and the rest of the world.
Paul Hudson: Beyfortus delivered a strong performance, growing 9.5% to EUR 1.8 billion, ahead of our anticipated modest growth, and driven by geographic expansion across Europe and the rest of the world. With real world evidence confirming 87% to 98% effectiveness, Beyfortus has protected more than 11 million babies in more than 45 countries, thus preventing an estimated 200,000 hospitalizations to date. We continue to strengthen our vaccines portfolio with strategic acquisitions that enhance our ability to protect older adults from serious diseases. In December, we completed the acquisition of Vicebio, adding a bivalent RSV plus human metapneumovirus vaccine candidate to our pipeline. This program complements our existing RSV franchise and leverages the innovative molecular count technology for vaccine antigen design.
Beyfortus delivered a strong performance, growing 9.5% to EUR 1.8 billion, ahead of our anticipated modest growth, and driven by geographic expansion across Europe and the rest of the world. With real world evidence confirming 87% to 98% effectiveness, Beyfortus has protected more than 11 million babies in more than 45 countries, thus preventing an estimated 200,000 hospitalizations to date. We continue to strengthen our vaccines portfolio with strategic acquisitions that enhance our ability to protect older adults from serious diseases. In December, we completed the acquisition of Vicebio, adding a bivalent RSV plus human metapneumovirus vaccine candidate to our pipeline. This program complements our existing RSV franchise and leverages the innovative molecular count technology for vaccine antigen design.
Speaker #4: With real-world evidence confirming 87 to 98% effectiveness, before us has protected more than 11 million babies in more than 45 countries. Thus preventing an estimated date.
Speaker #4: We continue to strengthen our vaccines portfolio with strategic acquisitions that enhance our ability to protect older adults from serious diseases. In December, we completed the acquisition of Vice Bio, adding a bivalent RSV plus human meta pneumovirus vaccine candidate to our pipeline.
Speaker #4: This program complements our existing RSV franchise and leverages the innovative molecular clump technology for vaccine antigen design. We also announced our proposed acquisition of Dynovac Technologies Corporation, which we expect to close in the first quarter this year.
Paul Hudson: We also announced our proposed acquisition of Dynavax Technologies Corporation, which we expect to close in Q1 this year. This acquisition adds HEPLISAV-B to our portfolio, the leading adult hepatitis B vaccine in the US, with a differentiated and convenient 2-dose schedule. It also brings a shingles vaccine candidate currently in phase 1, 2 studies, further expanding our pipeline in vaccines for older adults. These strategic additions reinforce our commitment to innovation in vaccines. Before moving to financials, I'm pleased to highlight Sanofi's key role in developing publicly available Specification 2090 or PAS 2090, the first industry-wide global standard for measuring and reducing environmental impact of medicines and vaccines across their lifecycle. Published, by the way, in the British Standards Institution. We co-developed this harmonized framework with industry to enable eco-design for footprint reduction, accurate environmental reporting, while addressing growing stakeholder demands for transparency.
We also announced our proposed acquisition of Dynavax Technologies Corporation, which we expect to close in Q1 this year. This acquisition adds HEPLISAV-B to our portfolio, the leading adult hepatitis B vaccine in the US, with a differentiated and convenient 2-dose schedule. It also brings a shingles vaccine candidate currently in phase 1, 2 studies, further expanding our pipeline in vaccines for older adults. These strategic additions reinforce our commitment to innovation in vaccines. Before moving to financials, I'm pleased to highlight Sanofi's key role in developing publicly available Specification 2090 or PAS 2090, the first industry-wide global standard for measuring and reducing environmental impact of medicines and vaccines across their lifecycle. Published, by the way, in the British Standards Institution. We co-developed this harmonized framework with industry to enable eco-design for footprint reduction, accurate environmental reporting, while addressing growing stakeholder demands for transparency.
Speaker #4: This acquisition adds Heplisav-B to our portfolio, as the leading adult hepatitis B vaccine in the US with a differentiated and convenient two-dose schedule. It also brings a shingles vaccine candidate currently in phase 1/2 studies, further expanding our pipeline in vaccines for older adults.
Speaker #4: These strategic additions reinforce our commitment to innovation in vaccines. Before moving to financials, I'm pleased to highlight Sanofi's key role in developing publicly available specification 2090 or PAS 2090.
Speaker #4: The first industry-wide global standard for measuring and reducing environmental impact of medicines and vaccines across their life cycle. Recently published, by the way, in the British Standards Institution.
Speaker #4: We co-developed this harmonized framework with industry to enable eco-design for footprint reduction accurate environmental reporting while addressing growing stakeholder demands for transparency. PAS 2090 marks an important moment for sustainable healthcare showcasing how collaboration across the healthcare system can drive meaningful progress.
Paul Hudson: PAS 2090 marks an important moment for sustainable healthcare, showcasing how collaboration across the healthcare system can drive meaningful progress. True patient care means protecting not just individual health, but also planet health. This standard helps us to do both. Thank you. I'll now hand over to François, our CFO, for more details on the financials.
PAS 2090 marks an important moment for sustainable healthcare, showcasing how collaboration across the healthcare system can drive meaningful progress. True patient care means protecting not just individual health, but also planet health. This standard helps us to do both. Thank you. I'll now hand over to François, our CFO, for more details on the financials.
Speaker #4: True patient care means protecting not just individual health, but also planet health. This standard helps us to do both. Thank you. I'll now hand over to François, our CFO, for more details on the financials.
Speaker #4: True patient care means protecting not just individual health but also planet health. This standard helps us to do both. Thank you. I'll now hand over to François our CFO for more details on the financials.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Paul, and hello to everyone. Next slide, please. I'm pleased to report that we achieved our strongest quarterly sales growth in Q4 2025.
Franois-Xavier Roger: Thank you, Paul, and hello to everyone. Next slide, please. I'm pleased to report that we achieved our strongest quarterly sales growth in Q4 2025. Net sales grew by 13.3% to EUR 11.3 billion. Dupixent delivered double-digit growth, with continued penetration across all indications. Dupixent also benefited from a favorable basis of comparison, due to growth to net price adjustments in the previous year. Business EPS growth was strong at 26.7%, reflecting our disciplined execution on operational leverage. Slide fourteen, please. Over the past 3 years, volume growth has accelerated and reached 34% on a compounded basis. Growth was driven by our successful launches and by Dupixent expansion across multiple indications, which continues to drive significant volume uptake 8 years after the launch.
François Roger: Thank you, Paul, and hello to everyone. Next slide, please. I'm pleased to report that we achieved our strongest quarterly sales growth in Q4 2025. Net sales grew by 13.3% to EUR 11.3 billion. Dupixent delivered double-digit growth, with continued penetration across all indications. Dupixent also benefited from a favorable basis of comparison, due to growth to net price adjustments in the previous year. Business EPS growth was strong at 26.7%, reflecting our disciplined execution on operational leverage. Slide fourteen, please. Over the past 3 years, volume growth has accelerated and reached 34% on a compounded basis. Growth was driven by our successful launches and by Dupixent expansion across multiple indications, which continues to drive significant volume uptake 8 years after the launch.
Speaker #2: Net sales grew by 13.3% to 11.3 billion euros. Dupixent delivered double-digit growth with continued penetration across all indications. Dupixent also benefited from a favorable basis of comparison due to growth to net price adjustments in the previous year.
Speaker #2: Business EPS growth was strong at 26.7%, reflecting our disciplined execution on operational leverage. Slide 14, please. Over the past three years, volume growth has accelerated and reached 34% on a compounded basis.
Speaker #2: Growth was driven by our successful launches and by Dupixent expansion across multiple indications, which continues to drive significant volume uptake eight years after the launch.
Speaker #2: Our ability to expand market reach while growing our margins demonstrates the strength of our innovation and our strong commercial execution. To meet growing patient demand and deliver on our MFN commitment, we will continue investing in manufacturing capacity with a strategic focus on the US.
Franois-Xavier Roger: Our ability to expand market reach while growing our margins demonstrates the strength of our innovation and our strong commercial execution. To meet growing patient demand and deliver on our MFN commitment, we will continue investing in manufacturing capacity with a strategic focus on the US. Next slide, please. Our full-year 2025 results showcase the power of our business model, delivering strong growth with increased profitability. Sales reached EUR 43.6 billion, representing 9.9% growth at constant exchange rates, at the upper end of our guidance. This represents a higher underlying growth level than in 2024, given that we excluded hyperinflation impacts from our sales growth at the beginning of 2025. Business gross margin expanded by 1.8 percentage points to 77.5%, driven by favorable product mix, and operational efficiencies.
Our ability to expand market reach while growing our margins demonstrates the strength of our innovation and our strong commercial execution. To meet growing patient demand and deliver on our MFN commitment, we will continue investing in manufacturing capacity with a strategic focus on the US. Next slide, please. Our full-year 2025 results showcase the power of our business model, delivering strong growth with increased profitability. Sales reached EUR 43.6 billion, representing 9.9% growth at constant exchange rates, at the upper end of our guidance. This represents a higher underlying growth level than in 2024, given that we excluded hyperinflation impacts from our sales growth at the beginning of 2025. Business gross margin expanded by 1.8 percentage points to 77.5%, driven by favorable product mix, and operational efficiencies.
Speaker #2: Next slide, please. Our full-year 2025 results showcase the power of our business model, delivering strong growth with increased profitability. Sales reached €43.6 billion, representing 9.9% growth at constant exchange rates, at the upper end of our guidance.
Speaker #2: This represents a higher underlying growth level than in 2024, given that we excluded hyperinflation impacts from our sales growth at the beginning of 2025.
Speaker #2: Business growth margin expanded by 1.8 percentage points to 77.5%, driven by favorable product mix and operational efficiencies. Operating expenses increased by 7.9% as we increased R&D investments and supported our new product launches through sales and marketing investments.
Franois-Xavier Roger: Operating expenses increased by 7.9%, as we increased R&D investments and supported our new product launches through sales and marketing investments. OpEx has decreased as a percentage of sales to 39.9%, thanks to our efficiency programs. Business operating income increased by 11.9%, with BOI margin reaching 27.8%. Business EPS, excluding share buyback, grew by 12.2%, in line with our guidance, and including share buyback, our business EPS grew by 15%. This demonstrates our ability to grow EPS faster than sales, while investing in future growth. Moving to slide 16, our free cash flow has returned to strong levels in 2025 at EUR 8.1 billion, representing 18.5% of sales. We aim to sustainably reach free cash flow of at least 20% of net sales in the medium term.
Operating expenses increased by 7.9%, as we increased R&D investments and supported our new product launches through sales and marketing investments. OpEx has decreased as a percentage of sales to 39.9%, thanks to our efficiency programs. Business operating income increased by 11.9%, with BOI margin reaching 27.8%. Business EPS, excluding share buyback, grew by 12.2%, in line with our guidance, and including share buyback, our business EPS grew by 15%. This demonstrates our ability to grow EPS faster than sales, while investing in future growth. Moving to slide 16, our free cash flow has returned to strong levels in 2025 at EUR 8.1 billion, representing 18.5% of sales. We aim to sustainably reach free cash flow of at least 20% of net sales in the medium term.
Speaker #2: OPEX has decreased as a percentage of sales to 39.9%, thanks to our efficiency programs. Business operating income increased by 11.9% with BOI margin reaching 27.8%.
Speaker #2: Business EPS excluding share buyback grew by 12.2% in line with our guidance. And including share buyback, our business EPS grew by 15%. This demonstrates our ability to grow EPS faster than sales while investing in future growth.
Speaker #2: Moving to slide 16, our free cash flow has returned to strong levels in 2025 at 8.1 billion euros, representing 18.5% of sales. We aim to sustainably reach free cash flow of at least 20% of net sales in the medium term.
Speaker #2: This strong cash flow generation illustrates the quality of our earnings and the effectiveness of our working capital management, a key contributor to this performance was our inventory optimization as we reduced inventory by nearly 30 days.
Franois-Xavier Roger: This strong cash flow generation illustrates the quality of our earnings and the effectiveness, effectiveness of our working capital management. A key contributor to this performance was our inventory optimization, as we reduced inventory by nearly 30 days. We are targeting a similar inventory reduction in 2026, which will help us to progress toward our 20% free cash flow targets. This disciplined approach provides us with significant financial flexibility to execute our capital allocation strategy. Next slide, please. We ended 2025 with a strong capital structure, as highlighted with by our low net debt, which increased slightly to EUR 11 billion. We maintained a conservative 0.8 times net debt to EBITDA ratio. This conservative leverage provides flexibility for future external growth opportunities, even while maintaining our double A rating.
This strong cash flow generation illustrates the quality of our earnings and the effectiveness, effectiveness of our working capital management. A key contributor to this performance was our inventory optimization, as we reduced inventory by nearly 30 days. We are targeting a similar inventory reduction in 2026, which will help us to progress toward our 20% free cash flow targets. This disciplined approach provides us with significant financial flexibility to execute our capital allocation strategy. Next slide, please. We ended 2025 with a strong capital structure, as highlighted with by our low net debt, which increased slightly to EUR 11 billion. We maintained a conservative 0.8 times net debt to EBITDA ratio. This conservative leverage provides flexibility for future external growth opportunities, even while maintaining our double A rating.
Speaker #2: We are targeting a similar inventory reduction in 2026, which will help us to progress toward our 20% free cash flow targets. This disciplined approach provides us with significant financial flexibility to execute our capital allocation strategy.
Speaker #2: Next slide, please. We ended 2025 with a strong capital structure as highlighted by our low net debt, which increased slightly to 11 billion euros.
Speaker #2: We maintained a conservative 0.8 times net debt-to-ebitda ratio, this conservative leverage provides flexibility for future external growth opportunities even while maintaining our double A rating.
Speaker #2: We successfully deployed the 10.4 billion euros received from the Opela divestment into value-creating business development and M&A opportunities, such as Blueprint, Vice Bio, Drain Bio DR0201, Vigil, and some others as well.
Franois-Xavier Roger: We successfully deployed the EUR 10.4 billion received from the Opella divestment into value-creating business development and M&A opportunities, such as Blueprint, Vice Bio, Drain Bio, DR0201, Vigil, and some others as well. These divestments and acquisitions allowed us to accelerate our transformation as a biopharma company. Moving to the next slide, in 2025, we executed our capital allocation strategy across all four priorities. We significantly increased our organic growth investments in R&D, commercial capabilities, CapEx, and digital transformation. These investments fuel both current and future growth. As I just mentioned, we deployed the Opella proceeds into strategic acquisitions. We propose to increase our dividend for the 31st consecutive year to EUR 4.12, up by 5% from the previous year. Finally, we completed our EUR 5 billion share buyback program. We will pursue our capital allocation policy in 2026.
We successfully deployed the EUR 10.4 billion received from the Opella divestment into value-creating business development and M&A opportunities, such as Blueprint, Vice Bio, Drain Bio, DR0201, Vigil, and some others as well. These divestments and acquisitions allowed us to accelerate our transformation as a biopharma company. Moving to the next slide, in 2025, we executed our capital allocation strategy across all four priorities. We significantly increased our organic growth investments in R&D, commercial capabilities, CapEx, and digital transformation. These investments fuel both current and future growth. As I just mentioned, we deployed the Opella proceeds into strategic acquisitions. We propose to increase our dividend for the 31st consecutive year to EUR 4.12, up by 5% from the previous year. Finally, we completed our EUR 5 billion share buyback program. We will pursue our capital allocation policy in 2026.
Speaker #2: These divestments and acquisitions allowed us to accelerate our transformation as a biopharma company. Moving to the next slide, in 2025, we executed our capital allocation strategy across all four priorities.
Speaker #2: We significantly increased our organic growth investments in R&D, commercial capabilities, capex, and digital transformation. These investments fuel both current and future growth. As I just mentioned, we deployed the Opela proceeds into strategic acquisitions.
Speaker #2: We propose to increase our dividend for the 31st consecutive year to 4.12 euros, up by 5% from the previous year. Finally, we completed our 5 billion euro share buyback program.
Speaker #2: We will pursue our capital allocation policy in 2026. Regarding share buybacks, we will execute a 1 billion euro share buyback program in 2026. The consistency of this approach demonstrates our commitment to sustainable value creation and shareholder returns while investing in long-term growth opportunities.
Franois-Xavier Roger: Regarding share buybacks, we will execute a EUR 1 billion share buyback program in 2026. The consistency of this approach demonstrates our commitment to sustainable value creation and shareholder returns while investing in long-term growth opportunities. Slide 19, please. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect to deliver a year of profitable growth, close to what we achieved in 2025. For the full year of 2026, we guide for high single-digit growth in sales and for profitable growth, meaning business EPS growing slightly faster than sales. Be aware that this guidance is for the full year 2026, and does not necessarily apply individually to each and every single quarter in 2026. Sales dynamics includes further portfolio optimization through divestments that will reduce sales by about EUR 200 million in 2026. We expect vaccine sales to slightly decline in 2026.
Regarding share buybacks, we will execute a EUR 1 billion share buyback program in 2026. The consistency of this approach demonstrates our commitment to sustainable value creation and shareholder returns while investing in long-term growth opportunities. Slide 19, please. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect to deliver a year of profitable growth, close to what we achieved in 2025. For the full year of 2026, we guide for high single-digit growth in sales and for profitable growth, meaning business EPS growing slightly faster than sales. Be aware that this guidance is for the full year 2026, and does not necessarily apply individually to each and every single quarter in 2026. Sales dynamics includes further portfolio optimization through divestments that will reduce sales by about EUR 200 million in 2026. We expect vaccine sales to slightly decline in 2026.
Speaker #2: Slide 19, please. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect to deliver a year of profitable growth close to what we achieved in 2025. For the full year 2026, we guide for high single-digit growth in sales and for profitable growth, meaning business EPS growing slightly faster than sales.
Speaker #2: Be aware that this guidance is for the full year 2026 and does not necessarily apply individually to each and every single quarter in 2026.
Speaker #2: Sales dynamics include further portfolio optimization through divestments that will reduce sales by about 200 million euros in 2026. We expect vaccine sales to slightly decline in 2026.
Speaker #2: Our gross margin expansion is expected to continue, with minimal tariff impact following the agreement reached with the US administration last December. Underlying R&D will increase moderately.
Franois-Xavier Roger: Our gross margin expansion is expected to continue, with minimal tariff impact following the agreement reached with the US administration last December. Underlying R&D will increase moderately. In addition to this organic growth of R&D expenses, we have added a placeholder for potential future acquisitions, particularly for phase 1 and phase 2 assets. Sales and marketing expenses will increase to support growth and launches, while we continue to target stable G&A expenses. Our operating income is expected to include around EUR 500 million of capital gains from disposal. As a reminder, the profit sharing line in Dupixent is increasing faster than sales growth by more than 10 percentage points. We now expect a decrease of around EUR 400 million in R&D reimbursement coming from Regeneron this year.
Our gross margin expansion is expected to continue, with minimal tariff impact following the agreement reached with the US administration last December. Underlying R&D will increase moderately. In addition to this organic growth of R&D expenses, we have added a placeholder for potential future acquisitions, particularly for phase 1 and phase 2 assets. Sales and marketing expenses will increase to support growth and launches, while we continue to target stable G&A expenses. Our operating income is expected to include around EUR 500 million of capital gains from disposal. As a reminder, the profit sharing line in Dupixent is increasing faster than sales growth by more than 10 percentage points. We now expect a decrease of around EUR 400 million in R&D reimbursement coming from Regeneron this year.
Speaker #2: In addition to this organic growth of R&D expenses, we have added a placeholder for potential future acquisitions particularly for phase one and phase two assets.
Speaker #2: Sales and marketing expenses will increase to support growth and launches, while we continue to target stable G&A expenses. Our operating income is expected to include around €500 million of capital gains from disposal.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, the profit-sharing line in our P&L is increasing faster than sales growth by more than 10 percentage points. We now expect a decrease of around 400 million in R&D reimbursement coming from regional this year.
Speaker #2: This decrease will be more than offset by ambitious royalties, which are estimated at approximately 1 billion euros based on the latest consensus. This result in a positive impact of around 500 million euro to BOI.
Franois-Xavier Roger: This decrease will be more than offset by Amvuttra royalties, which are estimated at approximately EUR 1 billion based on the latest consensus. This results in a positive impact of around EUR 500 million to BY. Our financial outlook includes an increase of our financial expenses this year, driven by increased net debt from both 2025 and 2026 DD and M&A activities. Finally, we expect a stable effective tax rate. I now hand over to Houman to provide an update on the progress of our innovative pipeline.
This decrease will be more than offset by Amvuttra royalties, which are estimated at approximately EUR 1 billion based on the latest consensus. This results in a positive impact of around EUR 500 million to BY. Our financial outlook includes an increase of our financial expenses this year, driven by increased net debt from both 2025 and 2026 DD and M&A activities. Finally, we expect a stable effective tax rate. I now hand over to Houman to provide an update on the progress of our innovative pipeline.
Speaker #2: financial outlook includes an Our increase of our financial expenses. This year, driven by increased net debt from both 2025 and 2026 BD and M&A activities.
Speaker #2: Finally, we expect a stable effective tax rate. I know handover to Houman to provide an update on the progress of our innovative pipeline. Thank you, François.
Houman Ashrafian: ... Thank you, François. 2025 has been a year of significant delivery across our pipeline. I'll walk you through the highlights. On pipeline delivery, we achieved 12 phase 3 readouts and 15 phase 2 readouts, and then added 10 new molecules to phase 1, including 3 gene therapies, emphasizing our greater focus on research, supported by business development to replenish our early-stage pipeline. On the regulatory front, we obtained 20 regulatory approvals and 22 acceptances, including 9 priority reviews, in addition to other designations underscoring the progress we've made. Most importantly, we provided patients with 3 new medicines and vaccines. Qvyfylia, the first RNAi antithrombin medicine in hemophilia, approved in the US and China. Wayrilz, the first BTK inhibitor in ITP, approved in the US and the EU, and our recombinant COVID-19 vaccine, with full approval in the US and the EU.
Houman Ashrafian: ... Thank you, François. 2025 has been a year of significant delivery across our pipeline. I'll walk you through the highlights. On pipeline delivery, we achieved 12 phase 3 readouts and 15 phase 2 readouts, and then added 10 new molecules to phase 1, including 3 gene therapies, emphasizing our greater focus on research, supported by business development to replenish our early-stage pipeline. On the regulatory front, we obtained 20 regulatory approvals and 22 acceptances, including 9 priority reviews, in addition to other designations underscoring the progress we've made. Most importantly, we provided patients with 3 new medicines and vaccines. Qvyfylia, the first RNAi antithrombin medicine in hemophilia, approved in the US and China. Wayrilz, the first BTK inhibitor in ITP, approved in the US and the EU, and our recombinant COVID-19 vaccine, with full approval in the US and the EU.
Speaker #2: 2025 has been a year of significant delivery across our pipeline. Our walk you through the highlights. On pipeline delivery, we achieved 12 phase three readouts, 15 phase two readouts, and an added 10 new molecules for phase one, including three gene therapies emphasizing our greater focus on research, supported by business development to replenish our early-stage pipeline.
Speaker #2: On the regulatory front, we obtained 20 regulatory approvals and 22 acceptances, including nine priority reviews in addition to other designations underscoring the progress we've made.
Speaker #2: Most importantly, we provided patients with three new medicines and vaccines, Qfitlia, the first RNAi anti-thrombin medicine in hemophilia, approved in the US and China way rills, the first BDK inhibitor in ICP approved in the US and the EU, and our recumbent COVID-19 vaccine with full approval in the US and the EU.
Speaker #2: All these highlights represent meaningful progress in delivering transformative medicines and vaccines to patients worldwide. Please turn to the next slide. Turning to the Q4 highlights, where we received approvals including Dupixent for CSU in the EU, THEAL for stage two T1B in the EU, wayrills for ICP in the EU, Sarazine for Gaucher disease type three in the US, we strengthened our position in China with four approvals, something that I will return to again today.
Houman Ashrafian: All these highlights represent meaningful progress in delivering transformative medicines and vaccines to patients worldwide. Please turn to the next slide. Turning to the Q4 highlights, where we received approvals, including Dupixent for CSU in the EU, Tzield for stage two T1b in the EU, Wayrilz for ITP in the EU, Cerezyme for Gaucher disease type three in the US. We strengthened our position in China with four approvals, something that I will return to again today. We received regulatory submission acceptance for Dupixent in AFRS in the US, Tzield stage two, T1d for children in the US, and SP 0087, rabies vaccine in the EU. On Phase 3 readouts, Amlitelimab delivered more positive results in atopic dermatitis, and Dupixent met its primary endpoint in AFRS. Tolebrutinib did not meet its primary endpoint in the post study for PPMS.
All these highlights represent meaningful progress in delivering transformative medicines and vaccines to patients worldwide. Please turn to the next slide. Turning to the Q4 highlights, where we received approvals, including Dupixent for CSU in the EU, Tzield for stage two T1b in the EU, Wayrilz for ITP in the EU, Cerezyme for Gaucher disease type three in the US. We strengthened our position in China with four approvals, something that I will return to again today. We received regulatory submission acceptance for Dupixent in AFRS in the US, Tzield stage two, T1d for children in the US, and SP 0087, rabies vaccine in the EU. On Phase 3 readouts, Amlitelimab delivered more positive results in atopic dermatitis, and Dupixent met its primary endpoint in AFRS. Tolebrutinib did not meet its primary endpoint in the post study for PPMS.
Speaker #2: We received regulatory submission acceptance for Dupixent in AFRS in the US, THEAL stage two T1D for children in the US, and SP0087 rabies vaccine in the EU.
Speaker #2: On phase three readouts and the Tillabab delivered more positive results in atopic dermatitis and Dupixent medics primary endpoint in AFRS, tolabrutinib did not meet its primary endpoint in the poster study for PPMS, as a result, we will not pursue its regulatory submission.
Houman Ashrafian: As a result, we will not pursue its regulatory submission. Ending with pivotal phase 3 starts, we initiated the second and second major study for COPD, two Dupixent studies, each in Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis, and one Wayrilz in IgG4-related disease. Next slide, please. I'll start with Amlitelimab, whose data. Recent data provides increasing confidence in progressive, long-term, sustained benefit and patient convenience. Data across phase 1, phase 2, and phase 3 studies, and the Atlantis open-label phase 2 study demonstrated progressively increasing efficacy over time, with no evidence of plateau through week 24 to 52. This validates the potential for both monthly and quarterly dosing from the start, offering significant patient convenience as either monotherapy or combined with topical corticosteroids and important background therapy used in the real world. Amlitelimab was well tolerated with an acceptable safety profile.
As a result, we will not pursue its regulatory submission. Ending with pivotal phase 3 starts, we initiated the second and second major study for COPD, two Dupixent studies, each in Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis, and one Wayrilz in IgG4-related disease. Next slide, please. I'll start with Amlitelimab, whose data. Recent data provides increasing confidence in progressive, long-term, sustained benefit and patient convenience. Data across phase 1, phase 2, and phase 3 studies, and the Atlantis open-label phase 2 study demonstrated progressively increasing efficacy over time, with no evidence of plateau through week 24 to 52. This validates the potential for both monthly and quarterly dosing from the start, offering significant patient convenience as either monotherapy or combined with topical corticosteroids and important background therapy used in the real world. Amlitelimab was well tolerated with an acceptable safety profile.
Speaker #2: Ending with pivotal phase three starts, we initiated a second and second make study for COPD, two Duvetico studies, each in Crohn's disease and in ulcerative colitis, and one way rills in IgG4-related disease.
Speaker #2: Next slide, please. I start with amlodipine, whose data recent data provides increasing confidence in progressive long-term sustained benefit and patient convenience. Data across phase one, phase two ensure phase three studies and the Atlantis Open Label phase two study demonstrated progressively increasing efficacy over time, with no evidence of plateau through week 24 to 52.
Speaker #2: This validates the potential for both monthly and quarterly dosing from the start, offering significant patient convenience as these are monotherapy or combined with topical corticosteroids and important background therapy used in the real world.
Speaker #2: Amlodipine was well tolerated with an acceptable safety profile. Much of our amlodipine Oceana global atopic dermatitis program has now been delivered, including phase two and phase three studies evaluating its efficacy and safety when administered in monotherapy and in combination.
Houman Ashrafian: Much of our Amlitelimab OCEANA global atopic dermatitis program has now been delivered, including phase 2 and phase 3 study, evaluating its efficacy and safety when administered in monotherapy and in combination. Remaining studies, AQUA in patients with background TCS and TCI, with inadequate response to biologics or JAK inhibitors, and ESTUARY, the randomized maintenance study. We expect both readouts in the second half of 2026, completing our comprehensive package for regulatory submission. Next slide, please. China remains a strategic priority, with significant progress made by our regional team. We obtained approvals for global medicines, Cablivi, our anti-von Willebrand factor antibody for acquired TTP, and Qvyfylia. For China-only medicine, we received approval for Myqorzo, for obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, and for Redemplo in patients with familial chylomicronemia syndrome.
Much of our Amlitelimab OCEANA global atopic dermatitis program has now been delivered, including phase 2 and phase 3 study, evaluating its efficacy and safety when administered in monotherapy and in combination. Remaining studies, AQUA in patients with background TCS and TCI, with inadequate response to biologics or JAK inhibitors, and ESTUARY, the randomized maintenance study. We expect both readouts in the second half of 2026, completing our comprehensive package for regulatory submission. Next slide, please. China remains a strategic priority, with significant progress made by our regional team. We obtained approvals for global medicines, Cablivi, our anti-von Willebrand factor antibody for acquired TTP, and Qvyfylia. For China-only medicine, we received approval for Myqorzo, for obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, and for Redemplo in patients with familial chylomicronemia syndrome.
Speaker #2: Remaining studies, Aqua in patients with background TCS and TCI with inadequate response to biologic or JAK inhibitors, and Estuary, the randomized maintenance study. We expect both readouts in the second half of 2026, completing our comprehensive package for regulatory submission.
Speaker #2: Next slide, please. China remains a strategic priority with significant progress made by our regional team. We obtained approvals for global medicines Caplivi, our anti-vomiliprin factor and antibody for acquired TTP, and Qfitlia.
Speaker #2: For China-only medicines, we received approvals for Mecorazole for obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and for Redemplo in patients with familial pilomicronemia syndrome. These approvals demonstrate our commitment to bringing innovative medicines and treatments to Chinese patients and to leverage Chinese innovation in doing so.
Houman Ashrafian: These approvals demonstrate our commitment to bringing innovative medicines and treatments to Chinese patients, and to leverage Chinese innovation in doing so. Next slide, please. Now, let me share an update on our key mid and late-stage pipeline projects. Our immunology pipeline has been strengthened by having delivered most of Amlitelimab phase 3 programs in AD, and Givasiclar, having advanced to phase 3 for CD and UC. Lunsekimig will provide data on asthma this half, and has potential for life cycle opportunities. Rilvegostomig is now moving to phase 2b. In neurology, Tolebrutinib is still under review for the EU for SPMS, Frexalimab in phase 3 for RMS, and SPMS, and Riliprubart for phase 3 for CIDP, the latter two with data already next year. In rare disease and oncology, Wayrilz is making progress with its life cycle plan beyond ITP.
These approvals demonstrate our commitment to bringing innovative medicines and treatments to Chinese patients, and to leverage Chinese innovation in doing so. Next slide, please. Now, let me share an update on our key mid and late-stage pipeline projects. Our immunology pipeline has been strengthened by having delivered most of Amlitelimab phase 3 programs in AD, and Givasiclar, having advanced to phase 3 for CD and UC. Lunsekimig will provide data on asthma this half, and has potential for life cycle opportunities. Rilvegostomig is now moving to phase 2b. In neurology, Tolebrutinib is still under review for the EU for SPMS, Frexalimab in phase 3 for RMS, and SPMS, and Riliprubart for phase 3 for CIDP, the latter two with data already next year. In rare disease and oncology, Wayrilz is making progress with its life cycle plan beyond ITP.
Speaker #2: Next slide, please. Now, let me share an update on our key mid- and late-stage pipeline projects. Our immunology pipeline has been strengthened by having delivered most of amlodipine Phase 3 programs in AD, and Duvetico having advanced to Phase 3 for CD and UC.
Speaker #2: Lensecimig will provide data in asthma this half, and has potential for lifecycle opportunities. Remvecimig is now moving to Phase 2b. In neurology, tolabrutinib is still under review in the EU for SBMS for Tillabab, and is in Phase 3 for RMS.
Speaker #2: And SBMS, and really through BART for phase three for CIDP, the latter two with data already next year. In rare disease and oncology, way rills is making progress with its lifecycle planned beyond ITP, Vengolistatin phase three for GD3 data coming very soon, and Sarclisa expanding with a subcutaneous formulation.
Houman Ashrafian: Venglustat in phase 3 for GD3 data coming very soon, and Sarclisa expanding with a subcutaneous formulation. Our vaccines portfolio includes multiple programs across pneumococcal disease, yellow fever, meningitis, RSV, and pandemic preparedness. Next slide, please. On my last slide, I'll cover the 2026 and 2027 news flow update since December's year-end late-stage pipeline review. This year, we expect the remaining phase 3 data for Amlitelimab and AD, and phase 2 for the second asthma and rare disease. The Venglustat phase 3 readout, if positive, regulatory submissions will follow. We anticipate multiple regulatory submissions based on data we already received last and this year, as well as regulatory decisions for medicines and vaccines under review. Next year, we will get the phase 2b data for Brevekamig in HS, followed by phase 3 studies of Frexalimab in RMS and Riliprubart in CIDP.
Venglustat in phase 3 for GD3 data coming very soon, and Sarclisa expanding with a subcutaneous formulation. Our vaccines portfolio includes multiple programs across pneumococcal disease, yellow fever, meningitis, RSV, and pandemic preparedness. Next slide, please. On my last slide, I'll cover the 2026 and 2027 news flow update since December's year-end late-stage pipeline review. This year, we expect the remaining phase 3 data for Amlitelimab and AD, and phase 2 for the second asthma and rare disease. The Venglustat phase 3 readout, if positive, regulatory submissions will follow. We anticipate multiple regulatory submissions based on data we already received last and this year, as well as regulatory decisions for medicines and vaccines under review. Next year, we will get the phase 2b data for Brevekamig in HS, followed by phase 3 studies of Frexalimab in RMS and Riliprubart in CIDP.
Speaker #2: Our vaccines portfolio includes multiple programs across pneumococcal disease, yellow fever, meningitis, RSV, and pandemic preparedness. Next slide, please. On my last slide, I'll cover the 26 and 27 news flow updates since December's year-end late-stage pipeline review.
Speaker #2: This year, we expect the remaining phase 3 data for amlodipine in AD and phase 2 for lensecimig in asthma, rare disease, the Vengolistatin phase 3 readouts, and the positive regulatory submissions will follow.
Speaker #2: We anticipate multiple regulatory submissions based on data we already received last year and this year, as well as regulatory decisions for medicines and vaccines under review.
Speaker #2: Next year, we would get the phase two B data for Prevecimig in HS, followed by phase three studies of Frexellabab and RMS, and really through BART in CIDP.
Speaker #2: My sincere thanks to all Sanofi R&D colleagues who share my commitment to advancing our pipeline from research to regulatory approval. This represents a rich diversified news flow that we believe will continue to drive value creation for patients and society and, of course, for Sanofi.
Houman Ashrafian: My sincere thanks to all Sanofi R&D colleagues who share my commitment to advancing our pipeline from research to regulatory approval. This represents a rich, diversified news flow that we believe will continue to drive value creation to patients, society, and of course, for Sanofi.
My sincere thanks to all Sanofi R&D colleagues who share my commitment to advancing our pipeline from research to regulatory approval. This represents a rich, diversified news flow that we believe will continue to drive value creation to patients, society, and of course, for Sanofi.
Speaker #2: So we'll now open the call to questions. As a reminder, we'd like to ask you to send me questions—one or two each.
Paul Hudson: So, we'll now open the call to questions. As a reminder, I'd like to ask you to limit questions to one or two each. You'll be notified when your line is open to ask your question. At that time, please make sure you unmute your microphone, or option two, submit your question by clicking the Q&A icon at the bottom of the screen. Your question will be ready, sorry, it will be read by our panelists. Now, we'll take the first question. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #1: The first question is from Zane. It rings from GP Morgan.
Operator: The first question is from Zane Abraham from JP Morgan. Zane?
Operator: The first question is from Zane Abraham from JP Morgan. Zane?
[Analyst] (JP Morgan): Hi there, Zane Abraham, JP Morgan. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is on Dupixent rollouts in CSU and COPD, which sound like they've been particularly strong. But can you elaborate on how those rollouts are progressing, and remind us of the biologic penetration in each of these indications? And how Dupixent is faring against competition from Repzido in CSU and Nucala in COPD. That's my first question, and my second question is a vaccines question. Just in terms of within your overall vaccines guidance, what you're assuming for Beyfortus in 2026, in terms of growth and how that looks for the US versus ex-US. Thank you.
Zane Guo: Hi there, Zane Abraham, JP Morgan. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is on Dupixent rollouts in CSU and COPD, which sound like they've been particularly strong. But can you elaborate on how those rollouts are progressing, and remind us of the biologic penetration in each of these indications? And how Dupixent is faring against competition from Repzido in CSU and Nucala in COPD. That's my first question, and my second question is a vaccines question. Just in terms of within your overall vaccines guidance, what you're assuming for Beyfortus in 2026, in terms of growth and how that looks for the US versus ex-US. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Hi there. Zane—Zane Abraham, JP Morgan. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is on Dupixent rollouts at CSU and COPD, which sound like they've been particularly strong.
Speaker #3: But can you elaborate on how those rollouts are progressing and remind us of the biologic penetration each of these indications and how Dupixent is faring against competition from Rapsido and CSU and Nucola and COPD?
Speaker #3: That's my first question. And my second question is the vaccines question. Just in terms of within your overall vaccines guidance, what you're assuming for Bay 4 to 26 in terms of growth and how that looks for the US versus XUS?
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thanks, Zane.
Paul Hudson: Okay, thanks, Zane. Brian, Dupixent?
Paul Hudson: Okay, thanks, Zane. Brian, Dupixent?
Speaker #2: Brian, Dupixent? Thank you,
Brian Foard: Thank you, Zane, so much for the question. So I'll, I'll go a bit broader and then I'll focus in on a couple of those indications. So as you look at our performance in 2025, really strong performance, 25% growth year-over-year, and we culminated that with a really strong Q4, and I'll talk about that here in a minute, 32%. Now, this was driven not just based on those two indications that you highlighted, but the foundation of our indications grew as well, 'cause it's a volume-driven growth story that we saw in 2025.
Brian Foard: Thank you, Zane, so much for the question. So I'll, I'll go a bit broader and then I'll focus in on a couple of those indications. So as you look at our performance in 2025, really strong performance, 25% growth year-over-year, and we culminated that with a really strong Q4, and I'll talk about that here in a minute, 32%. Now, this was driven not just based on those two indications that you highlighted, but the foundation of our indications grew as well, 'cause it's a volume-driven growth story that we saw in 2025.
Speaker #4: Zane, so much for the question. So, I'll go a bit broader, and then I'll focus in on a couple of those indications. As you look at our performance in 2025—really strong—we culminated that with a really strong performance: 25% growth year over year in Q4.
Speaker #4: And I'll talk about that here in a minute, 32%. Now, this was driven not just based on those two indications that you highlighted, but the foundation of our indications grew as well because it's a volume-driven growth story.
Speaker #4: We saw in 2025. Now, of course, those were on our base indications, but at the launch of COPD, the launch of CSU, and the launch of BP were new sources of growth.
Brian Foard: Now, of course, those were on our base indications, but at the launch of COPD, the launch of CSU, and the launch of BP, were new sources of growth that were not in our base in 2024, which allowed us to accelerate growth, culminating actually in that Q4 that I talked about there just a bit. I'll again highlight COPD and CSU in just a minute. That 32% growth that we saw at the end of the year is really a reflection of those not being in our base, but being strongly in Q4 performance that we saw.
Now, of course, those were on our base indications, but at the launch of COPD, the launch of CSU, and the launch of BP, were new sources of growth that were not in our base in 2024, which allowed us to accelerate growth, culminating actually in that Q4 that I talked about there just a bit. I'll again highlight COPD and CSU in just a minute. That 32% growth that we saw at the end of the year is really a reflection of those not being in our base, but being strongly in Q4 performance that we saw.
Speaker #4: They were not in our base in 2024, which allowed us to accelerate growth culminating actually in that Q4 that I talked about there just a bit and I'll again, I'll highlight COPD and CSU in just a minute.
Speaker #4: But that 32% growth that we saw at the end of the year is really a reflection of those not being in our base but being strongly in Q4 performance that we saw.
Speaker #4: Now, as we go forward into 2026, we expect that growth to normalize, as we talked about, as we've seen before. And we're well on track to deliver our longer-term guidance by 2030 of around €22 billion in sales.
Brian Foard: Now, as we go forward into 2026, we expect that growth to normalize, as we talked about, as we've seen before, and we're well on track to deliver our longer term guidance by 2030 of greater than EUR 22 billion, around EUR 22 billion sales. Now, specifically on COPD and CSU, I've spoken about COPD quite a lot. It was an inflection point for this year, as you can see from the performance, which was again, being the first biologic, really the first innovative therapy in more than 10 years in the COPD space, and we've seen a really good response from the physicians. Now remember, we were already in the pulmonologist offices with asthma and having the leading asthma therapy beforehand, so it was really nicely, nice complement. CSU is a very similar story.
Now, as we go forward into 2026, we expect that growth to normalize, as we talked about, as we've seen before, and we're well on track to deliver our longer term guidance by 2030 of greater than EUR 22 billion, around EUR 22 billion sales. Now, specifically on COPD and CSU, I've spoken about COPD quite a lot. It was an inflection point for this year, as you can see from the performance, which was again, being the first biologic, really the first innovative therapy in more than 10 years in the COPD space, and we've seen a really good response from the physicians. Now remember, we were already in the pulmonologist offices with asthma and having the leading asthma therapy beforehand, so it was really nicely, nice complement. CSU is a very similar story.
Speaker #4: Now, specifically on COPD and CSU, I've spoken about COPD quite a lot. It was an inflection point for this year, as you can see from the performance.
Speaker #4: Again, being the first biologic, really the first innovative therapy in more than 10 years in the COPD space. And we've seen a really good response from the physicians.
Speaker #4: Now, remember, we were already in the pulmonologist's offices with asthma and having the leading asthma therapy beforehand. So it was really nicely nice complement.
Speaker #4: CSU is a very similar story. We've seen a really rapid uptake in the CSU launch. But again, remember, we were also already the leader in the dermatologist's offices and the allergist's offices with multiple indications.
Brian Foard: We've seen a really rapid uptake in the CSU launch, but again, remember, we were also already the leader in the dermatologist offices and the allergist offices with multiple indications, now 8 indications in the US. So we've seen that those have contributed really nicely to our growth. Final point I'll make on CSU, because you asked a question about the competitors, Repzido. We don't really zoom in on one. We think competitors across all the immunology indications are really good because the physician penetration rates are extremely low. AD is only 18% still to date, and it's more than 8 years into our launch. CSU, we believe, is in the low teens. So again, this is a place where you're going to continue to see the market growth as well, which is great when we have new competitors come in.
We've seen a really rapid uptake in the CSU launch, but again, remember, we were also already the leader in the dermatologist offices and the allergist offices with multiple indications, now 8 indications in the US. So we've seen that those have contributed really nicely to our growth. Final point I'll make on CSU, because you asked a question about the competitors, Repzido. We don't really zoom in on one. We think competitors across all the immunology indications are really good because the physician penetration rates are extremely low. AD is only 18% still to date, and it's more than 8 years into our launch. CSU, we believe, is in the low teens. So again, this is a place where you're going to continue to see the market growth as well, which is great when we have new competitors come in.
Speaker #4: Now, eight indications in the US. So we've seen that those have contributed really nicely to our growth. Final point I'll make on CSU because you asked a question about the competitors' Rapsido.
Speaker #4: We don't really zoom in on one. We think competitors across all the immunology indications are really good because the biopenetration rates are extremely low.
Speaker #4: AD is only 18% still to date, and it's more than eight years into our launch. CSU, we believe, is in the low teens. So again, this is a place where you're going to continue to see the market growth as well, which is great when we have new competitors come in.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thomas?
Paul Hudson: Okay, Thomas?
Paul Hudson: Okay, Thomas?
Speaker #3: Thank you, Zane, for the question. So as it comes to Bay 4 to specifically, first of all, let me say that we are happy about the 2025 performance with an increase of a bit more than 9% year on year.
Thomas Triomphe: Thank you, Zane, for the question. So as it come to Beyfortus specifically, first of all, let me say that we are happy about the 2025 performance, with an increase of about a bit more than 9% year on year. When you recall very well that at the Q2 earnings call, we had mentioned modest growth expectation for 2025, so happy about the performance. As you've noticed, it's a performance that's coming from a broadening the reach to more and more countries, and Beyfortus is now available in more than 45 countries. So as it come to 2026 outlook, it's a bit early to be very specific on the performance of the product. However, I can say a few words about the dynamics.
Thomas Triomphe: Thank you, Zane, for the question. So as it come to Beyfortus specifically, first of all, let me say that we are happy about the 2025 performance, with an increase of about a bit more than 9% year on year. When you recall very well that at the Q2 earnings call, we had mentioned modest growth expectation for 2025, so happy about the performance. As you've noticed, it's a performance that's coming from a broadening the reach to more and more countries, and Beyfortus is now available in more than 45 countries. So as it come to 2026 outlook, it's a bit early to be very specific on the performance of the product. However, I can say a few words about the dynamics.
Speaker #3: When you recall very well that the Q2 earnings call we had mentioned modest growth expectation for 2025. So happy about the performance. As you've noticed, it's a performance that's coming from a broadening the reach to more and more countries and Bay 4 to is now available in more than 45 countries.
Speaker #3: So as it comes to 2026 outlook, it's a bit early to be very specific on the performance of the product. However, I can say a few words about the dynamics I think what's very important to have in mind is that there is a little bit of a different dynamic between US and non-US.
Thomas Triomphe: I think what's very important to have in mind is that there is a little bit of a different dynamic between US and non-US. I think that's included in your question. On the US front, you have seen the recent changes on the PSAC immunization schedule, still very recent. As you have seen from a recommendation perspective, nothing has changed for Beyfortus in terms of recommendation or coverage. Now, will it create, and to what extent, confusion for parents and HCPs? Too early to say. We need to see that in the coming months, sorry, and we'll be able to tell you a bit more at Q2 earnings call, more about Beyfortus in the US.
I think what's very important to have in mind is that there is a little bit of a different dynamic between US and non-US. I think that's included in your question. On the US front, you have seen the recent changes on the PSAC immunization schedule, still very recent. As you have seen from a recommendation perspective, nothing has changed for Beyfortus in terms of recommendation or coverage. Now, will it create, and to what extent, confusion for parents and HCPs? Too early to say. We need to see that in the coming months, sorry, and we'll be able to tell you a bit more at Q2 earnings call, more about Beyfortus in the US.
Speaker #3: think that's included in your I questions. On the US front, you have seen the recent changes on the pediatric immunization schedule. Still very recent.
Speaker #3: As you have seen from a recommendation perspective, nothing has changed for Bay 4 to in terms of recommendation or coverage. Now, will it create and to what extent confusion for parents and HCPs?
Speaker #3: Too early to say. We need to see that in the coming years, and we'll be in the coming months, sorry, and we'll be able to tell you a bit more at Q2 earnings call more about Bay 4 to in the US.
Speaker #3: As of outside of the US, we expand we will expand the geographic coverage as we've done over the past two years. And the last point I will refer to on Bay 4 to for those that have not seen, there has been a very nice chamber publication at the end of December 2025.
Thomas Triomphe: As outside of the US, we expand, we will expand the geographic coverage, as we've done over the past two years. And the last point I will refer to on Beyfortus, for those that have not seen, there has been a very nice chairman publication at the end of December 2025. This is the first real world evidence head-to-head comparison between the use of either maternal immunization or passive immunization with Beyfortus, and you've seen that on very single endpoint, Beyfortus is doing better than the competitor. Thank you very much.
As outside of the US, we expand, we will expand the geographic coverage, as we've done over the past two years. And the last point I will refer to on Beyfortus, for those that have not seen, there has been a very nice chairman publication at the end of December 2025. This is the first real world evidence head-to-head comparison between the use of either maternal immunization or passive immunization with Beyfortus, and you've seen that on very single endpoint, Beyfortus is doing better than the competitor. Thank you very much.
Speaker #3: This is the first real-world evidence head-to-head comparison between the use of either maternal immunization or passive immunization with Bay 4 to. And you've seen that on very single endpoints.
Speaker #3: Bay 4 to is doing better than the competitor.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much.
Speaker #2: Thank you for
Paul Hudson: Thank you for that, Thomas. Next question, please.
Paul Hudson: Thank you for that, Thomas. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: that, Thomas. Next question,
Speaker #2: please. Next question is from Ben
Operator: Next question is from Ben Jackson, from Jefferies. Ben?
Operator: Next question is from Ben Jackson, from Jefferies. Ben?
Speaker #1: Jackson from Jeffries.
Speaker #1: Ben. Brilliant.
Brian Foard: Brilliant. Thank you for the question. Just two for me, please. I guess previously you've spoken about a range or numbers of peak sales estimates around Amlitelimab, and perhaps now that we've had some additional data, has your view on any of this changed at all? And Houman, perhaps if you could flesh that out, and, you know, you've had a little bit of time to talk to KOLs now and figure out how they're feeling. What is the feedback that you're getting on the additional results? Not just kind of the positive parts on it, too, but if I can push you, what are the pinch points? What are the bits that they've still got a little bit of uncertainty or questions over as well, and how can you address those? So just rounding that up would be brilliant. Thank you.
Ben Jackson: Brilliant. Thank you for the question. Just two for me, please. I guess previously you've spoken about a range or numbers of peak sales estimates around Amlitelimab, and perhaps now that we've had some additional data, has your view on any of this changed at all? And Houman, perhaps if you could flesh that out, and, you know, you've had a little bit of time to talk to KOLs now and figure out how they're feeling. What is the feedback that you're getting on the additional results? Not just kind of the positive parts on it, too, but if I can push you, what are the pinch points? What are the bits that they've still got a little bit of uncertainty or questions over as well, and how can you address those? So just rounding that up would be brilliant. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thank you for the question. Just two for me, please. I guess previously you've spoken about a range or numbers of peak sales estimates around amlitalamab.
Speaker #5: And perhaps now that we've had some additional data, has your view on any of this changed at all? And whom and perhaps if you could flesh that out and you've had a little bit of time to talk to KOLs now and figure out how they're feeling, what is the feedback that you're getting on the additional results?
Speaker #5: Not just kind of the positive parts on it too, but if I can push you, what are the pinch points? What are the bits that they've still got a little bit of uncertainty or questions over as well?
Speaker #5: And how can you address those? So just rounding that up would be brilliant. Thank
Speaker #5: you. Thanks, Ben.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: ... Thanks, Ben. Brian, do you want to give a sort of broad view?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: ... Thanks, Ben. Brian, do you want to give a sort of broad view?
Speaker #2: Brian, do you want to give us sort of
Speaker #2: broad view?
Speaker #4: Yeah, and thank you so much.
Brian Foard: Yeah, and, and thank you so much for the question, Ben. I think if you think about the broad view of this, and again, remember that we were always bullish on this from an AD perspective, and I think Houman will probably, probably talk about that. As you think about this marketplace, it's still really developing. We talked about the biopenetration, I mentioned 18%. It'll more than double. I'm confident that it'll more than double. If you look at what psoriasis has done, this is a marketplace that's gonna continue to grow. And if you look at it today, as new mechanisms come into the marketplace like we've seen, it actually accelerates the growth of the marketplace, much like psoriasis, so on and so forth. So having a new mechanism like this with a variety of areas in which to differentiate it, I believe...
Brian Foard: Yeah, and, and thank you so much for the question, Ben. I think if you think about the broad view of this, and again, remember that we were always bullish on this from an AD perspective, and I think Houman will probably, probably talk about that. As you think about this marketplace, it's still really developing. We talked about the biopenetration, I mentioned 18%. It'll more than double. I'm confident that it'll more than double. If you look at what psoriasis has done, this is a marketplace that's gonna continue to grow. And if you look at it today, as new mechanisms come into the marketplace like we've seen, it actually accelerates the growth of the marketplace, much like psoriasis, so on and so forth. So having a new mechanism like this with a variety of areas in which to differentiate it, I believe...
Speaker #4: for the question, Ben. I think if you think about the broad view of this, and again, remember that we were always bullish on this from an AD perspective.
Speaker #4: And I think Uman will probably talk about that. As you think about this marketplace, it's still really developing. We talked about the biopenetration. I mentioned 18%.
Speaker #4: It'll more than double I'm confident that it'll more than double. If you look at what psoriasis has done, there's a marketplace that's going to continue to grow.
Speaker #4: And if you look at it today, as new mechanisms come into the marketplace, like we've seen, it actually accelerates the growth of the marketplace, much like psoriasis and so on and so forth.
Speaker #4: So having a new mechanism like this with a variety of areas in which to differentiate it, I believe I mean, we remain extremely confident about the opportunity in that big marketplace.
Brian Foard: I mean, we remain extremely confident about the opportunity in that big marketplace.
I mean, we remain extremely confident about the opportunity in that big marketplace.
Speaker #2: And Human, do you want to
Speaker #2: And Human, do you want to add? Yeah.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Houman, do you want to comment?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Houman, do you want to comment?
Houman Ashrafian: Yes, just to top and tail what Brian has said, I couldn't support more the importance of a novel mechanism in this space, which goes beyond a straightforward anti-cytokine blockade. Of course, that's an excellent mechanism in disease, but the addition of a T-cell modulator with the promise, and I underline the word, the promise of long-term immune normalization is obviously very attractive in the conversation. You, you are right to call out the importance of being more data-driven. And of course, we've consistently shown the difference between this molecule that has a Q4 and Q12 dosing optionality, which means down to off the loading dose for injections a year, which not only provides optionality for patients, but also site of injection, et cetera, which will matter.
Houman Ashrafian: Yes, just to top and tail what Brian has said, I couldn't support more the importance of a novel mechanism in this space, which goes beyond a straightforward anti-cytokine blockade. Of course, that's an excellent mechanism in disease, but the addition of a T-cell modulator with the promise, and I underline the word, the promise of long-term immune normalization is obviously very attractive in the conversation. You, you are right to call out the importance of being more data-driven. And of course, we've consistently shown the difference between this molecule that has a Q4 and Q12 dosing optionality, which means down to off the loading dose for injections a year, which not only provides optionality for patients, but also site of injection, et cetera, which will matter.
Speaker #3: Just to top and tell what Brian has said, I couldn't support more the importance of a novel mechanism in this space, which goes beyond straightforward anti-cytokine blockade.
Speaker #3: Of course, that's an excellent mechanism in disease, but the addition of a T cell modulator with the promise—and I underline the word, the promise—of long-term immune normalization is obviously very attractive in the conversation.
Speaker #3: You are right to call out the importance of being more data-driven. And of course, we've consistently shown the difference between this molecule that has a Q4 and Q12 dosing optionality which means down to after loading dose four injections a year, which not only provides optionality for patients but also sites of injection, etc., which will matter.
Houman Ashrafian: I'd also like to, both of those are really important, but I'd like to not only underline the importance of the mechanism and the optionality, but that this molecule remains aligned with our initial benefit-risk assessment, which is ever so important in this space, which is hugely biologically underpenetrated. And Brian, at the very beginning of the call, outlined the importance of having options for these patients in terms of therapeutics. So, finally, you asked, discussions with prescribers. We did many hundreds of interviews over the last couple of years, including at the recent meeting in Paris, and I can genuinely say that there's enthusiasm about a novel mechanism of action in this space. Thank you very much for the question.
Speaker #3: I'd also like to both of those are really important, but I'd like to not only underline the importance of the mechanism and the optionality, but that this molecule remains aligned with our initial benefit-risk assessment, which is ever so important in this space, which is hugely biologically underpenetrated.
I'd also like to, both of those are really important, but I'd like to not only underline the importance of the mechanism and the optionality, but that this molecule remains aligned with our initial benefit-risk assessment, which is ever so important in this space, which is hugely biologically underpenetrated. And Brian, at the very beginning of the call, outlined the importance of having options for these patients in terms of therapeutics. So, finally, you asked, discussions with prescribers. We did many hundreds of interviews over the last couple of years, including at the recent meeting in Paris, and I can genuinely say that there's enthusiasm about a novel mechanism of action in this space. Thank you very much for the question.
Speaker #3: And Brian, at the very beginning of the call, outlined the importance of having options for these patients in terms of therapeutics. So finally, you asked for a discussion with prescribers.
Speaker #3: We did many hundreds of interviews over the last couple of years, including at the recent meeting in Paris. And I can genuinely say that those enthusiasm about a novel mechanism is actually in this space.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much for the question.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Next question.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question.
Speaker #1: Yes. Next question is from Sheemus Fernandez from Guggenheim. Sheemus.
Operator: Yes. Next question is from Seamus Fernandez, from Guggenheim. Seamus?
Operator: Yes. Next question is from Seamus Fernandez, from Guggenheim. Seamus?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Seamus?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Seamus?
[Analyst] (Guggenheim): Thanks so much. So, just a couple of questions. First one is on the kind of Kaposi sarcoma case that we saw. Can you provide a little bit more detail on that as it relates to Amlitelimab? And, you know, is this on mechanism in your view, or is it, you know, more a reflection of the, you know, sort of specific patient profile in that particular case? And just wanted to confirm that there were no and have been no additional cases seen in the overall program for Amlitelimab. The second question is on Lunsikimig. I think you made a comment at a conference earlier this year, specifically that there's a contribution of...
Speaker #5: There we Sheemus. go. Just try it again. There we go. Thanks so much. So just a couple of questions. First one, is on the kind of Kaposi sarcoma case that we saw.
Seamus Fernandez: Thanks so much. So, just a couple of questions. First one is on the kind of Kaposi sarcoma case that we saw. Can you provide a little bit more detail on that as it relates to Amlitelimab? And, you know, is this on mechanism in your view, or is it, you know, more a reflection of the, you know, sort of specific patient profile in that particular case? And just wanted to confirm that there were no and have been no additional cases seen in the overall program for Amlitelimab. The second question is on Lunsikimig. I think you made a comment at a conference earlier this year, specifically that there's a contribution of...
Speaker #5: Can you provide a little bit more detail on that as it relates to amlitalamab and is this on-mechanism in your view, or is it more a reflection of the sort of specific patient profile in that particular case?
Speaker #5: And just wanted to confirm that there were no and have been no additional cases seen in the overall program for amlitalamab. The second question is on when Secemig, I think you made a comment at a conference earlier this year specifically that there's a contribution of that you believe there's a contribution of T-slip in some early atopic dermatitis data.
[Analyst] (Guggenheim): That you believe there's a contribution of TSLP in some early atopic dermatitis data as it relates to lunsakimab. I was just hoping you could clarify and confirm that comment and your views, and hope that lunsakimab, you know, in that formulation, that in that disease state, could potentially have a role. Thanks.
That you believe there's a contribution of TSLP in some early atopic dermatitis data as it relates to lunsakimab. I was just hoping you could clarify and confirm that comment and your views, and hope that lunsakimab, you know, in that formulation, that in that disease state, could potentially have a role. Thanks.
Speaker #5: As it relates to lincecamig, I was just hoping you could clarify and confirm that comment and your views and hope that lincecamig in that formulation in that disease state could potentially have a role.
Speaker #5: Thanks.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, Houman?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, Houman?
Speaker #2: Human?
Speaker #3: Yeah. Okay.
Houman Ashrafian: Yeah. Thank you. Multiple parts to that question. Number one, let me do the second one first, just to very quickly take that off the table. Yes, there is existing data, not with our molecule, but other people's molecules, that TSLP may indeed have a therapeutic benefit in the treatment of atopic dermatitis. Obviously, IL-13 is well established in this space. The combination of TSLP and IL-13 indeed may have an additive or indeed synergistic effect. We are testing that clinical hypothesis. We'll be very data-driven, so we look forward to seeing the results of linsecumab, not only in asthma and its related adjacencies, but also in atopic dermatitis. And then as you outlined in the AMLY question with Kaposi sarcoma, the question...
Houman Ashrafian: Yeah. Thank you. Multiple parts to that question. Number one, let me do the second one first, just to very quickly take that off the table. Yes, there is existing data, not with our molecule, but other people's molecules, that TSLP may indeed have a therapeutic benefit in the treatment of atopic dermatitis. Obviously, IL-13 is well established in this space. The combination of TSLP and IL-13 indeed may have an additive or indeed synergistic effect. We are testing that clinical hypothesis. We'll be very data-driven, so we look forward to seeing the results of linsecumab, not only in asthma and its related adjacencies, but also in atopic dermatitis. And then as you outlined in the AMLY question with Kaposi sarcoma, the question...
Speaker #3: Multiple parts of that question. Number one, let me do the second one first just to very quickly take that off the table. Yes, there is existing data, not with our molecule, but other people's molecules that TSLP may indeed have a therapeutic benefit in the treatment of atopic dermatitis.
Speaker #3: Obviously, IL-13 is well established in this space. The combination of TSLP and IL-13 indeed may have an additive or indeed synergistic effect. We are testing that clinical hypothesis.
Speaker #3: We'll be very data-driven. So we look forward to seeing the results of lincecamig, not only in asthma, and its related adjacencies, but also in atopic dermatitis.
Speaker #3: And then as you outlined in the AMLI question with Kaposi sarcoma, the answer to your question is that all immunomodulators come with a theoretical risk of infectious complications or increased infectious risk.
Houman Ashrafian: The answer to your question is that all immunomodulators come with a theoretical risk of infectious complications or increased infectious risk. Kaposi sarcoma unequivocally is caused by a herpes virus, HHV-8, sort of a standard herpes virus, and it's not surprising that a herpes virus would be associated with an immunomodulator, as they are with all other immunomodulators. There is some genetic evidence to suggest perhaps that with Amlitelimab, there may be a differential sensitivity to some or other of the herpes viruses. So as you say, potentially our mechanism, the very first IB that we put out before we ever started the phase 3s, this was anticipated and was not regarded as a significant issue of concern.
The answer to your question is that all immunomodulators come with a theoretical risk of infectious complications or increased infectious risk. Kaposi sarcoma unequivocally is caused by a herpes virus, HHV-8, sort of a standard herpes virus, and it's not surprising that a herpes virus would be associated with an immunomodulator, as they are with all other immunomodulators. There is some genetic evidence to suggest perhaps that with Amlitelimab, there may be a differential sensitivity to some or other of the herpes viruses. So as you say, potentially our mechanism, the very first IB that we put out before we ever started the phase 3s, this was anticipated and was not regarded as a significant issue of concern.
Speaker #3: sarcoma, unequivocally, is caused by a Kaposi herpes virus, HHV-8, sort of a standard herpes virus. And it's not surprising that a herpes virus would be associated with an immunomodulator as they are with all other immunomodulators.
Speaker #3: There is some genetic evidence to suggest perhaps that with amlitalamab, there may be a differential sensitivity to some or other of the herpes viruses.
Speaker #3: So as you say, potentially on-mechanism, the very first IB that we put out before we ever started the phase three just was anticipated and was not regarded as a significant issue of concern.
Speaker #3: The benefit-risk profile with this molecule is in line with everything we've said. And as is our activity, we will continue to produce not just with Kaposi sarcoma but all the broader safety and benefits of this molecule as we continue to publish the data sequentially until the end of the OCM study.
Houman Ashrafian: The benefit risk profile with this molecule is in line with everything we've said, and as is our activity, we will continue to produce, not just with Kaposi sarcoma, but all the broader safety and benefits of this molecule as we continue to publish the data sequentially until the end of the year.
The benefit risk profile with this molecule is in line with everything we've said, and as is our activity, we will continue to produce, not just with Kaposi sarcoma, but all the broader safety and benefits of this molecule as we continue to publish the data sequentially until the end of the year.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Next question, please.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question, please.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question, please.
Speaker #1: Next question is from David Riesinger from Deering. David?
Operator: Next question is from David Risinger, from Leerink. David?
Operator: Next question is from David Risinger, from Leerink. David?
Speaker #2: Yes. Thanks very much. So congrats on the fourth-quarter performance. I just have a couple of questions. First, Human in terms of the amlitalamab press release that you issued, recently, when do you expect to disclose full results from those studies?
[Analyst] (Leerink): ... Yes, thanks very much. So congrats on the fourth quarter performance. I just have a couple questions. First, Houman, in terms of the Amlitelimab press release that you issued recently, when do you expect to disclose full results from those studies? And François, business EPS is expected to grow faster, or slightly faster, than sales this year, despite losing R&D reimbursement from Regeneron during the third quarter. Could you just talk about the offsets to that, and looking forward to 2027, how you're thinking about prospects for growth and earnings as well? Thank you.
David Risinger: ... Yes, thanks very much. So congrats on the fourth quarter performance. I just have a couple questions. First, Houman, in terms of the Amlitelimab press release that you issued recently, when do you expect to disclose full results from those studies? And François, business EPS is expected to grow faster, or slightly faster, than sales this year, despite losing R&D reimbursement from Regeneron during the third quarter. Could you just talk about the offsets to that, and looking forward to 2027, how you're thinking about prospects for growth and earnings as well? Thank you.
Speaker #2: And François, business EPS is expected to grow faster or slightly faster than sales this year despite losing R&D reimbursement from Regeneron during the third quarter.
Speaker #2: Could you just talk about the offsets to that and looking forward to 20207, how you're thinking about prospects for growth and earnings as well?
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thanks, David.
Speaker #5: Thanks, David. Human? Yeah.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thanks, David. Houman?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thanks, David. Houman?
Houman Ashrafian: Yeah, a quick answer to your question. I think we committed to presenting the Coast-One data at AAD, which I think is at the end of March in Denver this year. Subject to the conference organizers, climate, and nature, we may be able to put Coast-Two in there. That's still subject to discussion. We hope to be able to present most of the data to you by the end of March.
Houman Ashrafian: Yeah, a quick answer to your question. I think we committed to presenting the Coast-One data at AAD, which I think is at the end of March in Denver this year. Subject to the conference organizers, climate, and nature, we may be able to put Coast-Two in there. That's still subject to discussion. We hope to be able to present most of the data to you by the end of March.
Speaker #3: Quick answer to your question. I think we committed to presenting the case one day at AAD, which I think is at the end of March, in Denver this year.
Speaker #3: Subject to the conference organizers clement nature, we may be able to put case to ensure in there. That's still subject to discussion. So we hope to be able to present most of the data to you by the end of March.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thank you. François?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you. François?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you. François?
Speaker #6: Yes, David, as far as 2026 is concerned, to start with—indeed, you mentioned it—we will have a decrease of the R&D reimbursement by Regeneron of $400 million this year.
Franois-Xavier Roger: Yes, David, as far as 2026 is concerned, to start with, indeed, you mentioned it, we will have a decrease of the R&D reimbursement by Regeneron of EUR 400 million this year. It was initially thought it would be 300, but since, Dupixent is growing fast, even faster than we thought, we will, accelerate this, determination of the reimbursement earlier. So we have a negative impact of EUR 400 million this year, but it will be more than offset by the Amgen royalties, which are going to increase even further than we thought. So we had almost half a billion of Amgen royalties in 2025. It will be probably around 1 billion in 2026, so we'll have a net between the two items in terms of impact on the, BOI of about positive EUR 100 million this year in 2026.
François Roger: Yes, David, as far as 2026 is concerned, to start with, indeed, you mentioned it, we will have a decrease of the R&D reimbursement by Regeneron of EUR 400 million this year. It was initially thought it would be 300, but since, Dupixent is growing fast, even faster than we thought, we will, accelerate this, determination of the reimbursement earlier. So we have a negative impact of EUR 400 million this year, but it will be more than offset by the Amgen royalties, which are going to increase even further than we thought. So we had almost half a billion of Amgen royalties in 2025. It will be probably around 1 billion in 2026, so we'll have a net between the two items in terms of impact on the, BOI of about positive EUR 100 million this year in 2026.
Speaker #6: It was initially thought it would be 300, but since Dupixent is growing fast, even faster than we thought, we will accelerate this determination of the reimbursement earlier.
Speaker #6: So, we have a negative impact of $400 million this year, but it will be more than offset by the Ambutra royalties, which are going to increase even further than we thought.
Speaker #6: So we had almost half a billion of Ambutra royalties in '25. It will be probably around a billion in '26. So we'll have a net between the two items in terms of impact on the BOI of about positive 100 million.
Speaker #6: This year in '26. In '27, we had initially thought that we would have the full impact of the termination of the R&D reimbursement by Regeneron.
Franois-Xavier Roger: In 2027, we had initially thought that we would have the full impact of the termination of the R&D reimbursement by Regeneron. We expected initially that it would be a decrease of BOI of about EUR 800 million in 2027. It will be a bit less, probably with what we see today, around EUR 700 million, as a consequence of what I said earlier. On Amvuttra, it should be probably around. It's still early to say, but a further increase of EUR 300 million. So the net between the two will be probably a negative in 2027, at BOI level of -EUR 400 million, which is a bit better than what we had said last time.
In 2027, we had initially thought that we would have the full impact of the termination of the R&D reimbursement by Regeneron. We expected initially that it would be a decrease of BOI of about EUR 800 million in 2027. It will be a bit less, probably with what we see today, around EUR 700 million, as a consequence of what I said earlier. On Amvuttra, it should be probably around. It's still early to say, but a further increase of EUR 300 million. So the net between the two will be probably a negative in 2027, at BOI level of -EUR 400 million, which is a bit better than what we had said last time.
Speaker #6: We expected initially that it would be a decrease of BOI of about €800 million in '27. It will be a bit less, probably with what we see today, around €700 million, as a consequence of what I said earlier.
Speaker #6: On Ambutra, it should be probably around, it's still early to say, but a further increase of 300 million. So the net between the two will be probably a negative in '27 at BOI level of minus 400 million, which is a bit better than what we had said last time.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thank you.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you. Next question, please.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: Next question, please. Yes.
Operator: Yes. Next question from Simon Baker, from Redburn. Simon?
Operator: Yes. Next question from Simon Baker, from Redburn. Simon?
Speaker #1: Next question from Simon Baker from Redburn. Simon?
Speaker #7: Thank you for taking my questions. Two if I may, please. Firstly, one for Human. You've had a bit of a rationalization of your phase two portfolio.
[Analyst] (Redburn): Thank you for taking my questions. Two if I may please. Firstly, one for Houman. You've, you've had a, a bit of a rationalization of your phase 2 portfolio. I just wonder if you could talk us through any overarching principles that, that guided those decisions and future development plans. And then secondly, moving on to Dupixent, the main patent goes in March 2031, but as far as we can tell, you've got about 40 patents which expire between late 2031 and February 2045. So I just wondered if you could give us your thoughts on, on life after March 2031 in terms of the potential LOE for Dupixent. Thanks so much.
Simon Baker: Thank you for taking my questions. Two if I may please. Firstly, one for Houman. You've, you've had a, a bit of a rationalization of your phase 2 portfolio. I just wonder if you could talk us through any overarching principles that, that guided those decisions and future development plans. And then secondly, moving on to Dupixent, the main patent goes in March 2031, but as far as we can tell, you've got about 40 patents which expire between late 2031 and February 2045. So I just wondered if you could give us your thoughts on, on life after March 2031 in terms of the potential LOE for Dupixent. Thanks so much.
Speaker #7: I just wonder if you could talk us through any overarching principles that guided those decisions and future development plans. And then secondly, moving on to Dupixent, the main patent goes in March '31.
Speaker #7: But as far as we can tell, you've got about 40 patents which expire between late '31 and February 2045. So I just wonder if you could give us your thoughts on life after March '31 in terms of the potential LOE for Dupixent.
Speaker #7: Thanks so much.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay. Houman, we'll get you, and then of course, quickly to Roy for the moment.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay. Houman, we'll get you, and then of course, quickly to Roy for the moment.
Speaker #2: Okay. Human, we'll get you and then, of course, quickly to Roy for his
Speaker #2: moment. And thanks for the
Houman Ashrafian: Simon, thanks for the question. The... When I started, two and a half years ago, it was very clear that we'd have a dynamic allocation strategy. We are good stewards of capital, and we need to ensure that every dollar is well spent. So the overarching strategy, which François and I hold hands on, is that we will, on a regular basis, now on at least a quarterly basis, guided by AI, establishment of value, will dynamically allocate- reallocate resources. And what that means is there'll be some programs to stop, but of course, it also means that we will double down on some programs, and we'll do the right things even if they're hard. So the overarching principle is very simply relation of capital allocation to value.
Houman Ashrafian: Simon, thanks for the question. The... When I started, two and a half years ago, it was very clear that we'd have a dynamic allocation strategy. We are good stewards of capital, and we need to ensure that every dollar is well spent. So the overarching strategy, which François and I hold hands on, is that we will, on a regular basis, now on at least a quarterly basis, guided by AI, establishment of value, will dynamically allocate- reallocate resources. And what that means is there'll be some programs to stop, but of course, it also means that we will double down on some programs, and we'll do the right things even if they're hard. So the overarching principle is very simply relation of capital allocation to value.
Speaker #3: When I started two and a half years ago, I was very clear that we'd have a dynamic allocation strategy. We are good stewards of capital, and we need to ensure that every dollar is well spent.
Speaker #3: So the overarching strategy which François and I hold hands on is that we will, on a regular basis, now at least quarterly basis, guided by AI establishment of value, we'll dynamically allocate resources.
Speaker #3: And what that means is there'll be some programs that stop. But of course, it also means that we will double down on some programs and we'll do the right things even if they're hard.
Speaker #3: So the overarching principle is very simply in relation to capital allocation to
Speaker #3: value. So Simon, thanks for the question. We do expect Dupixent to be protected by its patents beyond March '31 in the US. That's the reality.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Roy?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Roy?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Roy?
[Analyst] (Leerink): So, Simon, thanks for the question. We do expect Dupixent to be protected by its patents beyond March 31 in the US. That's the reality. As you can imagine, lots of innovation, lots of indications, and counting. These are being recognized by multiple, and thank you for going through them, granted and to be granted, patents ranging from 30 to 45. We believe we have a very strong patent portfolio, which we intend to vigorously defend. You'll understand it's too early to speculate on specific dates for biosimilar entry. If and when patent fights commence, we'll be able to give you more details of what is being challenged and where, but we, we feel we're in a good place with multiple patents.
Roy Papatheodorou: So, Simon, thanks for the question. We do expect Dupixent to be protected by its patents beyond March 31 in the US. That's the reality. As you can imagine, lots of innovation, lots of indications, and counting. These are being recognized by multiple, and thank you for going through them, granted and to be granted, patents ranging from 30 to 45. We believe we have a very strong patent portfolio, which we intend to vigorously defend. You'll understand it's too early to speculate on specific dates for biosimilar entry. If and when patent fights commence, we'll be able to give you more details of what is being challenged and where, but we, we feel we're in a good place with multiple patents.
Speaker #3: As you can imagine, lots of innovation, lots of indications, and counting these are being recognized by multiple - and thank you for going through them - granted and to be granted patents ranging from 39.5.
Speaker #3: We believe we have a very strong patent portfolio which we intend to vigorously defend. You'll understand it's too early to speculate on specific dates or buy similar entry if and when patent fights commence.
Speaker #3: We'll be able to give you more details of what is being challenged and where, but we feel we're in a good place with multiple patents.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thanks, Roy. Okay. Next question, please.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay. Thanks, Roy. Okay, next question, please.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay. Thanks, Roy. Okay, next question, please.
Speaker #1: Next question from Luisa Eckdorf from Berenberg. Luisa?
Operator: Next question from Louisa Hector from Berenberg. Louisa?
Operator: Next question from Louisa Hector from Berenberg. Louisa?
[Analyst] (Berenberg): Hi there, thank you. I wanted to ask on vaccines, please, because if we look at 2025, you, you deployed about EUR 3 billion on business development, M&A. So I wondered if you're putting this, that together with your R&D, is that a significant step up in capital allocation to vaccines? And how should we think about the opportunity cost versus building your drug pipeline? And then perhaps a little more color on Dynavax. It looks like a neat deal, so how did you value it? Is this a US opportunity, mainly? Is it catch up, and then you move to an annual cohort eventually? And should we think about shingles as a booster opportunity in the over seventies? Thank you.
Luisa Hector: Hi there, thank you. I wanted to ask on vaccines, please, because if we look at 2025, you, you deployed about EUR 3 billion on business development, M&A. So I wondered if you're putting this, that together with your R&D, is that a significant step up in capital allocation to vaccines? And how should we think about the opportunity cost versus building your drug pipeline? And then perhaps a little more color on Dynavax. It looks like a neat deal, so how did you value it? Is this a US opportunity, mainly? Is it catch up, and then you move to an annual cohort eventually? And should we think about shingles as a booster opportunity in the over seventies? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Hi there. Thank you. I wanted to ask on vaccines, please, because if we look at 2025, you deployed about 3 billion euros on business development, M&A.
Speaker #8: So I wondered if you're putting that together with your R&D, is that a significant step up in capital allocation to vaccines? And how should we think about the opportunity cost versus building your drug pipeline?
Speaker #8: And then perhaps a little more color on Dynavax, looks like a neat deal. So how did you value it? Is this a US opportunity mainly?
Speaker #8: Is it catch-up? And then you move to an annual cohort eventually? And should we think about shingles as a booster opportunity in the
Speaker #8: over-70s? Thank you.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Louisa. Thomas, two good questions for you.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Louisa. Thomas, two good questions for you.
Speaker #2: you, Luisa. Thomas too, good Thank
Speaker #2: You, Luisa. Thomas too. Good, thank you. Questions for you, yeah.
Thomas Triomphe: Yeah. So I will start in the reverse order with that, if you don't mind. So on Dynavax, let me first start by saying that the transaction is not closed yet, so as you know very well, we're still processing. But going back to your question, I can talk a little bit about the rationale. A few elements I'd like to highlight on this. First of all, it goes very well with what we had discussed before, with the fact that we are fairly present on a significant part on the pediatric immunization schedule.
Thomas Triomphe: Yeah. So I will start in the reverse order with that, if you don't mind. So on Dynavax, let me first start by saying that the transaction is not closed yet, so as you know very well, we're still processing. But going back to your question, I can talk a little bit about the rationale. A few elements I'd like to highlight on this. First of all, it goes very well with what we had discussed before, with the fact that we are fairly present on a significant part on the pediatric immunization schedule.
Speaker #3: So I will start in the reverse order, Luisa, if you don't mind. So on Dynavax, let me first start by saying that the transaction is not closed yet.
Speaker #3: So as you know very well, we are still processing. But going back to your question, I can talk a little bit about the rationale.
Speaker #3: A few elements I'd like to highlight on this. First of all, it goes very well with what we had discussed before. We had the fact that we are fairly present on a significant part of the pediatric immunization schedule, but as we discussed in the past, we see in terms of demographics, simply an increase on the older adult group and a decrease over the past few years on the pediatric.
Thomas Triomphe: But as we discussed in the past, we see in terms of demographics, simply an increase in the older adult group and a decrease over the past few years in the pediatric, and that's why our strategy is more and more focused towards the older adult group in terms of pipeline development. And the Dynavax proposed acquisition very well fit that profile with HEPLISAV-B, mostly focused on the US. So that's really the cornerstone for this product with a very differentiated product, with a 2-dosage regimen versus 3 doses for any other competitor. And you've seen the progress on the take-up of market share, and we believe by adding our commercial muscle there, we can further improve the performance in this segment.
But as we discussed in the past, we see in terms of demographics, simply an increase in the older adult group and a decrease over the past few years in the pediatric, and that's why our strategy is more and more focused towards the older adult group in terms of pipeline development. And the Dynavax proposed acquisition very well fit that profile with HEPLISAV-B, mostly focused on the US. So that's really the cornerstone for this product with a very differentiated product, with a 2-dosage regimen versus 3 doses for any other competitor. And you've seen the progress on the take-up of market share, and we believe by adding our commercial muscle there, we can further improve the performance in this segment.
Speaker #3: And that's why our strategy is more and more focused towards the older adult group in terms of pipeline development. And the Dynavax proposed acquisition very well fits that profile.
Speaker #3: We applicably inhibit mostly focused on the US. So that's really the cornerstone for this product. We did very different easy product with a two-dosis regimen versus three doses for any other competitor.
Speaker #3: And you've seen the progress in terms of market share. And we believe by adding our commercial muscle there, we can further improve the performance in this segment.
Thomas Triomphe: In parallel, you have mentioned shingles, very interesting phase 1, 2 data there from the Dynavax shingles candidate. We believe there's a great possibility in terms of marketplace if there is a candidate that comes with a significant similar efficacy than the current incumbent in that place. However, with a much better tolerability, and we believe that the Dynavax technology will enable that profile. Going back to the first part of your question on capital allocation. So if you look at it from the way you framed it, indeed, there has been an increase in 2025, but I'd like to maybe take a step back and explain to you how we look at it. We don't look at capital allocation or acquisition per se.
Speaker #3: In parallel, you have mentioned shingles. Very interesting Phase 1, Phase 2 data there from the Dynavax shingles candidate. We believe there's a great possibility in terms of marketplace if there is a candidate that comes with a significant similar efficacy to the current incumbent in that space.
In parallel, you have mentioned shingles, very interesting phase 1, 2 data there from the Dynavax shingles candidate. We believe there's a great possibility in terms of marketplace if there is a candidate that comes with a significant similar efficacy than the current incumbent in that place. However, with a much better tolerability, and we believe that the Dynavax technology will enable that profile. Going back to the first part of your question on capital allocation. So if you look at it from the way you framed it, indeed, there has been an increase in 2025, but I'd like to maybe take a step back and explain to you how we look at it. We don't look at capital allocation or acquisition per se.
Speaker #3: However, with a much better tolerability. And we believe that the Dynavax technology will enable that profile. Going back to the first part of your question on capital allocation, so if you look at it from the way you framed it, indeed, there has been an increase in 2025.
Speaker #3: But I'd like to maybe take a it. We don't look at capital allocation or acquisition per tier. The way we look at it is what is the strategic fit of every single possibility in terms of acquisition or licensing it?
Thomas Triomphe: The way we look at it is, what is the strategic fit of every single possibility in terms of acquisition or licensing it? Does it fit our portfolio? Does it fit our capabilities? Does it fit our long-term perspective on the business? We have a very strong long-term perspective on the vaccination business, where the fundamentals are very strong. We believe that the acquisition we have made, both early and later stage in 2025, do reflect and do fit well that, that perspective. So we're not looking at it per se; we are really looking at it. What's the strategic fit? What is... Are we the best owners? Can we deliver significant added value? And if that's the case, at the right price, then we go for it.
The way we look at it is, what is the strategic fit of every single possibility in terms of acquisition or licensing it? Does it fit our portfolio? Does it fit our capabilities? Does it fit our long-term perspective on the business? We have a very strong long-term perspective on the vaccination business, where the fundamentals are very strong. We believe that the acquisition we have made, both early and later stage in 2025, do reflect and do fit well that, that perspective. So we're not looking at it per se; we are really looking at it. What's the strategic fit? What is... Are we the best owners? Can we deliver significant added value? And if that's the case, at the right price, then we go for it.
Speaker #3: Does it fit our portfolio? Does it fit our capabilities? Does it fit our long-term perspective on the business? We have a very strong long-term perspective on the vaccination business.
Speaker #3: We have the fundamentals are very strong. We believe that the acquisition we have made, both early and later stage in 2025, do reflect and do fit well that perspective.
Speaker #3: So we are not looking at it per tier. We are really looking at it. What's the strategic fit? What are we the best owners?
Speaker #3: Can we deliver significant added value? And if that's the case at the right price, then we go for it.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Thomas. Okay, next question.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Thomas. Okay, next question, please.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Thomas. Okay, next question, please.
Speaker #1: Yes. Next question from Pete
Operator: Yes, next question from Pete Verdult from BNP Paribas.
Operator: Yes, next question from Pete Verdult from BNP Paribas.
Speaker #1: BAE. Yeah. Verdu from
[Analyst] (BNP Paribas): Yeah, thanks, Pete Verdult. BNP Paribas, apologies if some of these questions have been asked, but we've had a rather long-winded press call to finish off. So just two questions. Thomas, so to stay on vaccines, can we spend some time on the outlook in light of some of the recent developments that you've already touched upon, particularly in the US, you know, on the context in terms of the EUR 10 billion target you set for 2030? So just looking for a little bit of a ballpark reminder, what percentage of your business today is exposed to these US pediatric vaccination schedule changes? I know we're not expecting any imminent impact, but just to remind us what the ballpark exposure is.
Peter Verdult: Yeah, thanks, Pete Verdult. BNP Paribas, apologies if some of these questions have been asked, but we've had a rather long-winded press call to finish off. So just two questions. Thomas, so to stay on vaccines, can we spend some time on the outlook in light of some of the recent developments that you've already touched upon, particularly in the US, you know, on the context in terms of the EUR 10 billion target you set for 2030? So just looking for a little bit of a ballpark reminder, what percentage of your business today is exposed to these US pediatric vaccination schedule changes? I know we're not expecting any imminent impact, but just to remind us what the ballpark exposure is.
Speaker #9: Thanks, Pete. these questions have been asked, but we've had a rather I'm BNP and apologies if some of long-winded competitor call to finish off.
Speaker #9: So just two questions. Thomas, sorry to come to stay on vaccines. Can we spend some time on the outlook in light of some of the recent developments that you've already touched upon, particularly in the US, as it and the context in terms of the 10 billion target you set for 2030?
Speaker #9: So just looking for a little bit of a ballpark reminder what percentage of your business today is exposed to these US pediatric vaccination schedule changes.
Speaker #9: I know we're not expecting any imminent impact, but just remind us what the ballpark exposure is. Could you flesh out a bit more some of the US and ex-US A40s dynamics?
[Analyst] (BNP Paribas): Could you flesh out a bit more some of the US and ex-US, they thought, as dynamics? And then when it comes to flu, you know, what's your sort of, on a net basis, how are you thinking about the outlook? On one hand, you've got mRNA threats receding, but you've got investor concerns around risks from competitor preventative assets rising. So net-net, how are you thinking about flu? So that's the first question, and then much more succinctly, just pull off François just on capital allocation. Given the partner disappointments, is it fair to assume business development activity is set to accelerate significantly going forward? Any, you know, I'm really not going to talk about specific assets, but just, your, you know, your intention to do BD. Is that set to step change? Thank you.
Could you flesh out a bit more some of the US and ex-US, they thought, as dynamics? And then when it comes to flu, you know, what's your sort of, on a net basis, how are you thinking about the outlook? On one hand, you've got mRNA threats receding, but you've got investor concerns around risks from competitor preventative assets rising. So net-net, how are you thinking about flu? So that's the first question, and then much more succinctly, just pull off François just on capital allocation. Given the partner disappointments, is it fair to assume business development activity is set to accelerate significantly going forward? Any, you know, I'm really not going to talk about specific assets, but just, your, you know, your intention to do BD. Is that set to step change? Thank you.
Speaker #9: And then when it comes to flu, what's your sort of on a net basis, how are you thinking about the outlook? On one hand, you've got mRNA threats receding.
Speaker #9: But you've got investor concerns around risks from competitor preventative assets rising. So net-net, how are you thinking about flu? So that's the first question.
Speaker #9: And then much more succinctly, just pull off one swat just on capital allocation given the partner disappointments is it fair to assume business development activity is set to accelerate significantly going forward?
Speaker #9: Anything a relation I'm going to talk about specific assets, but just your intentions to do BD, is that set to step change? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thank you, Thomas. And Francois.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you, Thomas and François.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you, Thomas and François.
Speaker #3: Yeah. So welcome, Pete. And indeed, there was a bit of a similar question at the front stage, so I'll be pretty fast. So on the outlook, about vaccines and I think to be clear and explicit, you're referring to the recent US childhood immunization recommendation changes in the US.
Thomas Triomphe: Yes. So, welcome, first, Pete, and indeed, there was a bit of a similar question at the front stage, so I'll be pretty fast. So, on the outlook about vaccines, and I think, to be clear and explicit, you're referring to the recent US childhood immunization recommendation changes in the US. Maybe a few words about this, and then we'll turn the page. So, those recommendations, to be clear, have been pivotal in making sure that we can prevent life-threatening disease in US citizens for many, many decades. The recent and sudden shift there has been in early January to a 3-tiered childhood vaccination framework do generate confusion for both parents and providers.
Thomas Triomphe: Yes. So, welcome, first, Pete, and indeed, there was a bit of a similar question at the front stage, so I'll be pretty fast. So, on the outlook about vaccines, and I think, to be clear and explicit, you're referring to the recent US childhood immunization recommendation changes in the US. Maybe a few words about this, and then we'll turn the page. So, those recommendations, to be clear, have been pivotal in making sure that we can prevent life-threatening disease in US citizens for many, many decades. The recent and sudden shift there has been in early January to a 3-tiered childhood vaccination framework do generate confusion for both parents and providers.
Speaker #3: Maybe a few words about this and then we'll turn the page. So those recommendations, to be clear, have been pivotal in making sure that we can prevent life-threatening disease in US citizens for many, many decades.
Speaker #3: The recent and sudden shift there has been in early January to a three-tiered childhood vaccination framework, full generate confusion for both parents and providers.
Thomas Triomphe: We don't know that, we don't know yet if there will be a concrete impact in terms of this year. That's way too early to look at that. A couple of points, though, in terms of dynamic, I like to highlight. First of all, you've seen that every single medical society, and by far the very, very fast, vast majority of HCPs, have decided to stick to the previous immunization schedule. First point. Second point, you have not missed the fact that all vaccines remain covered by insurance or by Medicaid or by Medicare, depending on the different products. So it's not a question of coverage, but Pete, you're right, there could be some confusion in terms of US pediatric vaccination schedule. The way we look at it is, what can we do?
Speaker #3: We don't know that. We don't know yet if there will be a concrete impact in terms of this year, but it's way too early to look at that.
We don't know that, we don't know yet if there will be a concrete impact in terms of this year. That's way too early to look at that. A couple of points, though, in terms of dynamic, I like to highlight. First of all, you've seen that every single medical society, and by far the very, very fast, vast majority of HCPs, have decided to stick to the previous immunization schedule. First point. Second point, you have not missed the fact that all vaccines remain covered by insurance or by Medicaid or by Medicare, depending on the different products. So it's not a question of coverage, but Pete, you're right, there could be some confusion in terms of US pediatric vaccination schedule. The way we look at it is, what can we do?
Speaker #3: A couple of points, though, in terms of dynamics I'd like to highlight. First of all, you've seen that every single medical society and, by far, the very, very vast majority of HCPs have decided to stick to the previous immunization schedule, first point.
Speaker #3: Second point, you have not missed the fact that all vaccines remain covered by insurance or by Medicaid or by Medicare, depending on the different products.
Speaker #3: So it's not a question of coverage, but Pete, you're right, there could be some confusion in terms of US pediatric vaccination schedule. The way we look at it is what can we do?
Thomas Triomphe: We are focused on our energy and our actions. We engage proactively with HCPs, with medical societies, in every single country, US and non-US. We expand the benefits of product, how they are different from others, and we're focused on what we can do. So that's brief for the situation in the US. You've mentioned top couple of things on inaudible, US, ex-US. We mentioned that in the call before, but as I was mentioning, happy about the 25 performance, 9.5% increase. 26, too early to say. We expect to give more guidance on this as we move forward on the year, probably as a Q earnings call, with then a look at US versus ex-US.
We are focused on our energy and our actions. We engage proactively with HCPs, with medical societies, in every single country, US and non-US. We expand the benefits of product, how they are different from others, and we're focused on what we can do. So that's brief for the situation in the US. You've mentioned top couple of things on inaudible, US, ex-US. We mentioned that in the call before, but as I was mentioning, happy about the 25 performance, 9.5% increase. 26, too early to say. We expect to give more guidance on this as we move forward on the year, probably as a Q earnings call, with then a look at US versus ex-US.
Speaker #3: focused on our energy and our actions. And we are We engage proactively with HCPs within medical societies in every single country, US and non-US.
Speaker #3: We expand the benefits of our product. However, there are differences from others, and we're focused on what we can do. So that's really for the situation in the US.
Speaker #3: You've mentioned top couple of things on B40s. US, ex-US, we mentioned that in the call before, but as I was mentioning, happy about the 25 performance, 9.5% increase.
Speaker #3: 26, too early to say, we expect to give more guidance on this as we move forward on the year, probably as a quick learning call.
Speaker #3: We then look at US versus ex-US. Your second point was on flu, and how we look at the marketplace moving forward. You've seen that Q4 flu performance was significant.
Thomas Triomphe: Your second point was on flu, and how we look at the marketplace moving forward. You've seen that Q4 flu performance was significant. Maybe it's the opportunity for me to mention a couple of things. It's the second season in a row, two years in a row, two winters, where there has been a massive increase in terms of influenza hospitalization across the Northern Hemisphere, on this side of the Atlantic or on the other side. Which is a very important reminder of the fact that these cases can be prevented pretty simply, with a vaccination, including with differentiated flu vaccination.
Your second point was on flu, and how we look at the marketplace moving forward. You've seen that Q4 flu performance was significant. Maybe it's the opportunity for me to mention a couple of things. It's the second season in a row, two years in a row, two winters, where there has been a massive increase in terms of influenza hospitalization across the Northern Hemisphere, on this side of the Atlantic or on the other side. Which is a very important reminder of the fact that these cases can be prevented pretty simply, with a vaccination, including with differentiated flu vaccination.
Speaker #3: Maybe it's the opportunity for me to mention a couple of things. It's the second season in a row, two years in a row, two winters where there has been a massive increase in terms of influenza hospitalization across the Northern Hemisphere.
Speaker #3: On this side of the Atlantic or on the other side. Which is a very important reminder of the fact that these cases can be prevented pretty simply with a vaccination, including with differentiated flu vaccination.
Thomas Triomphe: Happy about our 2025+ performance, which ends up showing that our market share will increase, especially thanks to our differentiated flu product, Fluzone High-Dose, which has shown great data again this year, clinically, as well as FluBlok Supemtek. A very important differentiator moving forward. Obviously, this comes in a very specific situation, i.e., a decrease in terms of VCR in the US and a slight increase of influenza VCR in Europe. But you understand from a value perspective, these are very different markets. Moving forward, we'll probably give some more guidance on flu at the Q2 earnings call. mRNA on flu is not a concern for us for 2026; it will not be present.
Happy about our 2025+ performance, which ends up showing that our market share will increase, especially thanks to our differentiated flu product, Fluzone High-Dose, which has shown great data again this year, clinically, as well as FluBlok Supemtek. A very important differentiator moving forward. Obviously, this comes in a very specific situation, i.e., a decrease in terms of VCR in the US and a slight increase of influenza VCR in Europe. But you understand from a value perspective, these are very different markets. Moving forward, we'll probably give some more guidance on flu at the Q2 earnings call. mRNA on flu is not a concern for us for 2026; it will not be present.
Speaker #3: Happy about our 2025 performance, which ends up showing that our market share will increase, especially thanks to our differentiated flu product. Fluzonidos, which has shown great data again this year clinically, as well as flu blocks we can take.
Speaker #3: differentiators moving forward. Very important Obviously, this comes in a very specific situation. I.e., a decrease in terms of VCR in the US and a slight increase of influenza VCR in Europe.
Speaker #3: But you understand from the value perspective, these are very different markets. Moving forward, we'll probably give some more guidance on flu at the Q2 earnings call.
Speaker #3: mRNA on flu is not a concern for us for 2026. It will not be present. It's not a concern for us in 2027 neither.
Thomas Triomphe: It might, it's not a concern for us in 2026 and neither, simply because as we discussed before, people are looking for the right profile in terms of efficacy and tolerability profile. So we think we are well positioned, we have the right products, more to come after the pre-booking season, so probably around the Q2 earnings call.
It might, it's not a concern for us in 2026 and neither, simply because as we discussed before, people are looking for the right profile in terms of efficacy and tolerability profile. So we think we are well positioned, we have the right products, more to come after the pre-booking season, so probably around the Q2 earnings call.
Speaker #3: Simply because, as we discussed before, people are looking for the right profile in terms of efficacy and tolerability profile. So we think we are well positioned.
Speaker #3: We have the right products. More to come after the pre-booking season, so probably around the Q2 earnings
Speaker #3: call. Thank you, Thomas.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Thomas. François?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Thomas. François?
Franois-Xavier Roger: Yes, Pete, on the capital allocation question, well, first and foremost, I presented it earlier. We have a strong balance sheet that gives us flexibility. That being said, we will remain very disciplined. So, we will use our capital essentially around three criteria in terms of external goals, BD&M&A. Strategic, essentially around our four existing main therapeutic area, plus potentially some white spaces. We want to make sure that we bring scientific differentiation and with best-in-class, first-in-class assets and differentiated assets, and we want to secure financial return as well. We are certainly not chasing growth for the short and medium term. You saw our growth profile last year. You see our growth profile for 2026, which is at the upper end of the industry, so not chasing growth.
François Roger: Yes, Pete, on the capital allocation question, well, first and foremost, I presented it earlier. We have a strong balance sheet that gives us flexibility. That being said, we will remain very disciplined. So, we will use our capital essentially around three criteria in terms of external goals, BD&M&A. Strategic, essentially around our four existing main therapeutic area, plus potentially some white spaces. We want to make sure that we bring scientific differentiation and with best-in-class, first-in-class assets and differentiated assets, and we want to secure financial return as well. We are certainly not chasing growth for the short and medium term. You saw our growth profile last year. You see our growth profile for 2026, which is at the upper end of the industry, so not chasing growth.
Speaker #3: Yes, Pete, on the capital allocation Francois. question, well, first and foremost, I presented it earlier. We have a strong balance sheet that gives us flexibility that being said, we will remain very disciplined.
Speaker #3: So we will use our capital essentially around three criteria in terms of external growth, BD and M&A. Strategic, essentially around our four existing main therapeutic area plus potentially some white spaces.
Speaker #3: We want to make sure that we bring scientific differentiation with best-in-class, first-in-class assets and differentiated assets. And we want to secure financial return as well.
Speaker #3: We are certainly not chasing growth for the short and medium term. You saw our growth profile last year. You see our growth profile for 2026, which is at the upper end of the industry.
Speaker #3: So not chasing growth, but we are rather focusing on the longer term, to complement our pipeline. So we have a certain number of assets in our pipeline.
Franois-Xavier Roger: But we are rather focusing on the longer term to complement our pipeline. So we have a certain number of assets in our pipeline. We know as well that we have. We discussed it a few minutes ago to manage the LU of Dupixent at the earliest in 2031; we just discussed it. So as a consequence of that, we will try to focus essentially on phase 1, phase 2 assets, which is our priority. We could as well, as we did last year, by the way, complement it with commercialized assets, which will probably, to a certain extent, mitigate the BOI/EPS impact. Anyway, we will remain very disciplined, and I would not say we have time, because time flies, and we have a feeling of urgency. But once again, we will be super focused and super disciplined.
But we are rather focusing on the longer term to complement our pipeline. So we have a certain number of assets in our pipeline. We know as well that we have. We discussed it a few minutes ago to manage the LU of Dupixent at the earliest in 2031; we just discussed it. So as a consequence of that, we will try to focus essentially on phase 1, phase 2 assets, which is our priority. We could as well, as we did last year, by the way, complement it with commercialized assets, which will probably, to a certain extent, mitigate the BOI/EPS impact. Anyway, we will remain very disciplined, and I would not say we have time, because time flies, and we have a feeling of urgency. But once again, we will be super focused and super disciplined.
Speaker #3: We know as well that we have we discussed it a few minutes ago to manage the LOE of Dupixent. At the earliest in 2031, we just discussed it.
Speaker #3: So, as a consequence of that, we will try to focus essentially on phase one, phase two assets, which is our priority. We could, as well—as we did last year, by the way—complement it with commercialized assets, which will probably, to a certain extent, mitigate the BOI/EPS impact.
Speaker #3: Anyway, we will remain very disciplined. And I would not say we have time because time flies and we have a feeling of urgency. But once again, we will be super focused and super
Speaker #3: disciplined. Thank you.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question, please.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: Next
Speaker #2: question, please. The next
Operator: The next question is Steve Keller from TD Cowen. Steve?
Operator: The next question is Steve Keller from TD Cowen. Steve?
Speaker #4: question is Steve Kala from TV Cohen. Steve?
Speaker #5: Oh, thank you so much. Two questions, please. First, I'm curious why Sanofi has not been as forthcoming as Regeneron on Dupixent life cycle extension programs.
[Analyst] (TD Cowen): Oh, thank you so much. Two questions, please. First, I'm curious why Sanofi has not been as forthcoming as Regeneron on Dupixent lifecycle extension programs. I'm referring specifically to what Regeneron shared earlier this month. My understanding is that you have similar rights as you do now, so are you simply not as confident in those programs? So that's the first question. Second question is, in past quarters, Sanofi has noted on the Dupixent slide that Dupixent was number one in new to brand Rx, and number one in total brand share in the US. Curious why that was left off this quarter. Is that due to competition, specifically from Evrysdi? Thank you.
Steve Scala: Oh, thank you so much. Two questions, please. First, I'm curious why Sanofi has not been as forthcoming as Regeneron on Dupixent lifecycle extension programs. I'm referring specifically to what Regeneron shared earlier this month. My understanding is that you have similar rights as you do now, so are you simply not as confident in those programs? So that's the first question. Second question is, in past quarters, Sanofi has noted on the Dupixent slide that Dupixent was number one in new to brand Rx, and number one in total brand share in the US. Curious why that was left off this quarter. Is that due to competition, specifically from Evrysdi? Thank you.
Speaker #5: I'm referring specifically to what Regeneron shared earlier this month. My understanding is that you have similar rights as you do now. So are you simply not as confident in those programs?
Speaker #5: So that's the first question. Second question is, in the past quarters, Sanofi has noted on the Dupixent slide that Dupixent was number one in neutrobrand RX and number one in total brand share in the US.
Speaker #5: Curious why that was left off this quarter is that due to competition, specifically from EBGLIS. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Okay, Brian, two questions for you.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, Brian, the two questions for you.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, Brian, the two questions for you.
Speaker #3: I'll start with the second one. Steve, thanks. That's a really nice setup. Sorry, we missed that on the slide. We are number one. We remain number one in every single indication across each of our specialists.
Brian Foard: I'll start with the second one. Steve, thanks. That's, that's a really nice setup, sorry, we missed that on the slide. We are number one. We remain number one in every single indication across each of our specialists. So apologies, I think we, we are now adding more things about new indications and whatnot. We probably left that off there, but no, and, I don't foresee that changing anytime soon. Now, as it relates to, LCM and forthcoming this from a Regeneron standpoint, I'll build on what Roy said. First, it starts with our IP. First, have to think about that. How are we going to continue to defend that long into the future? And so Roy gave a statement there. So we've got quite some time.
Brian Foard: I'll start with the second one. Steve, thanks. That's, that's a really nice setup, sorry, we missed that on the slide. We are number one. We remain number one in every single indication across each of our specialists. So apologies, I think we, we are now adding more things about new indications and whatnot. We probably left that off there, but no, and, I don't foresee that changing anytime soon. Now, as it relates to, LCM and forthcoming this from a Regeneron standpoint, I'll build on what Roy said. First, it starts with our IP. First, have to think about that. How are we going to continue to defend that long into the future? And so Roy gave a statement there. So we've got quite some time.
Speaker #3: So apologies. I think we are now adding more things about new indications and whatnot. We probably left that off there, but no. And I don't foresee that changing anytime soon.
Speaker #3: Now, as it relates to LCM and forthcomingness from a Regeneron standpoint, I'll build on what Roy said. First, let's start with our IP. First, I have to think about that.
Speaker #3: How are we going to continue to defend that long into the future? And so Roy gave a statement there. So we've got quite some time.
Speaker #3: But we've been building along with the Alliance and LCM strategy, as you would imagine, and we will reveal it in due course. Most likely the first half of this year, you'll get an update on where we stand as far as what we're doing with Dupixent specifically.
Brian Foard: But we've been building along with the alliance and LCM strategy, as you would imagine, and we will reveal it in due course. Most likely, the first half of this year, you'll get an update on where we stand as far as what we're doing with Dupixent, specifically. Might be formulation-related, so on and so forth, but you'll get a bit of an update there as well. Additionally, we are working on next generation IL-4 RA with Regeneron. Regeneron talked about this a little bit at JP Morgan, but we continue to work on co- and collaborate on programs that we have across the alliance. And again, that could be really meaningful as a follow-on Dupixent, and so on and so forth.
But we've been building along with the alliance and LCM strategy, as you would imagine, and we will reveal it in due course. Most likely, the first half of this year, you'll get an update on where we stand as far as what we're doing with Dupixent, specifically. Might be formulation-related, so on and so forth, but you'll get a bit of an update there as well. Additionally, we are working on next generation IL-4 RA with Regeneron. Regeneron talked about this a little bit at JP Morgan, but we continue to work on co- and collaborate on programs that we have across the alliance. And again, that could be really meaningful as a follow-on Dupixent, and so on and so forth.
Speaker #3: Might be formulation related, so on and so forth. But you'll get a bit of an update there as well. Additionally, we are working on the next generation IL-4 4 RA, with Regeneron, Regeneron talked about this a little bit at JP Morgan, but we continue to work on and collaborate on programs that we have across the Alliance.
Speaker #3: And again, that could be really meaningful as a follow-on Dupixent and so on and so forth. But beyond that, given our success across the Alliance for quite some time now, we're always open to and interested in considering future collaborations with Regeneron, as we said at JP Morgan.
Brian Foard: But beyond that, given our success across the alliance for quite some time now, we're always open to and interested in considering future collaborations with Regeneron, as we said at JP Morgan. So, I thought- I feel like we're in a really good spot right now. More to come in the- in the very near future.
But beyond that, given our success across the alliance for quite some time now, we're always open to and interested in considering future collaborations with Regeneron, as we said at JP Morgan. So, I thought- I feel like we're in a really good spot right now. More to come in the- in the very near future.
Speaker #3: So I feel like we're in a really good spot right now, more
Speaker #3: to come in the very near future. Thank
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Brian. Next question?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Brian. Next question?
Speaker #2: you, Brian. Next
Speaker #2: question. Yes, next question from
Operator: Yes, next question from Sachin Jain ... from BofA?
Operator: Yes, next question from Sachin Jain ... from BofA?
Speaker #4: Sachin Chain. From BOFA.
[Analyst] (BofA): Hi there. Just two questions for me, firstly, big picture, I guess, for Paul. There's a sentence in the press release that talks about mid-term, profitable growth for 5 years, and at a recent conference you talked about, potentially delivering, I guess, implied was teens EPS. So just a big picture from your side, what was the intent on that signaling, given consensus is largely their ex-pipeline? So just thoughts as to inserting that commentary within the debate for investors. And then secondly, onto Houman. Do we get any further TL1A Phase 2 data through the course of 2026 that further profiles the asset as we start looking for that Phase 3 data, I guess, into 2028? Thank you.
Sachin Jain: Hi there. Just two questions for me, firstly, big picture, I guess, for Paul. There's a sentence in the press release that talks about mid-term, profitable growth for 5 years, and at a recent conference you talked about, potentially delivering, I guess, implied was teens EPS. So just a big picture from your side, what was the intent on that signaling, given consensus is largely their ex-pipeline? So just thoughts as to inserting that commentary within the debate for investors. And then secondly, onto Houman. Do we get any further TL1A Phase 2 data through the course of 2026 that further profiles the asset as we start looking for that Phase 3 data, I guess, into 2028? Thank you.
Speaker #6: Hi, there. Just two questions for me. Firstly, big picture, I guess, for Paul. There's a sentence in the press release that talks about midterm profitable growth for five years and a recent conference you talked about potentially delivering, I guess, implied was Teams EPS.
Speaker #6: So just a big picture from your side, what was intent on that signaling, giving consensus as large as their X pipeline? So just thoughts as to inserting that commentary within the debate, investors.
Speaker #6: And then secondly, one from Human. Do we get any further TL1A phase two data through the course of '26 that further profiles the asset as we start looking at that phase three data, I guess, into 2018?
Speaker #6: Thank
Speaker #2: And then Sachin, maybe you. Francois comment first on profitable growth?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Natasha, maybe François comment first on profitable growth.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Natasha, maybe François comment first on profitable growth.
Speaker #3: Yes, profitable growth. I think that we included that comment in the press release because we had a lot of questions. We just wanted to make sure that the market understands that we do expect to deliver an attractive level of growth to start with.
Franois-Xavier Roger: Yes, profitable growth, I think that, we included that comment in the press release because we had a lot of questions. We just wanted to make sure that the market understand that we do expect to, deliver an attractive level of growth to start with, for the next six, potentially, eight years, who knows? And that this will be, coming with profitable growth as well. Because there was a question a couple of quarters ago about our capacity to deliver profitable growth each and every single year. I confirmed it a little bit earlier today. There was a question more specifically about '27, given the end of the R&D reimbursement with Regeneron, but, it's not a defensive move, or just a confirmation of, of the way that we see the outlook for the, medium term.
François Roger: Yes, profitable growth, I think that, we included that comment in the press release because we had a lot of questions. We just wanted to make sure that the market understand that we do expect to, deliver an attractive level of growth to start with, for the next six, potentially, eight years, who knows? And that this will be, coming with profitable growth as well. Because there was a question a couple of quarters ago about our capacity to deliver profitable growth each and every single year. I confirmed it a little bit earlier today. There was a question more specifically about '27, given the end of the R&D reimbursement with Regeneron, but, it's not a defensive move, or just a confirmation of, of the way that we see the outlook for the, medium term.
Speaker #3: For the next six potentially eight years, who knows? And that this will be coming with profitable growth as well because there was a question a couple of quarters ago about our capacity to deliver profitable growth each and every single year.
Speaker #3: I confirmed it a little bit earlier today. There was a question more specifically about 27, given the end of the R&D reimbursement with Regeneron.
Speaker #3: But it's not defensive move. It's just a confirmation of the way that we see the outlook for the medium term.
[Analyst] (BofA): Thank you.
Sachin Jain: Thank you.
Speaker #3: And Thank you. your second question, the answer is simply yes. We will have maintenance data for the TL1A at some point this
Brian Foard: Your second question, the answer is simply yes, we will have maintenance data, you know, when I, at some point this half.
Brian Foard: Your second question, the answer is simply yes, we will have maintenance data, you know, when I, at some point this half.
Speaker #3: off. Thank
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you. Next question.
Speaker #2: Next question.
Speaker #4: Yes, next question you.
Operator: Yes, next question from James Gordon, from Barclays. James?
Operator: Yes, next question from James Gordon, from Barclays. James?
Speaker #4: from James Gordon from Barclays. James?
[Analyst] (Barclays): Hello, James Gordon from Barclays. Thanks for taking the questions. One question was on business development. I know you've had some questions on this already, but a follow-up to those, please. I've seen some attributive comments this morning about the company having a EUR 14 to 15 billion BD firepower amount for this year. And assuming that is right, and that was the comment, what is the thinking there? Is it that you could really fire that immunology to get more assets, a good complement or follow on from Dupixent?
James Gordon: Hello, James Gordon from Barclays. Thanks for taking the questions. One question was on business development. I know you've had some questions on this already, but a follow-up to those, please. I've seen some attributive comments this morning about the company having a EUR 14 to 15 billion BD firepower amount for this year. And assuming that is right, and that was the comment, what is the thinking there? Is it that you could really fire that immunology to get more assets, a good complement or follow on from Dupixent?
Speaker #2: Hello, James Gordon from Barclays. Thanks for taking the questions. One question was on business development. I know you've had some questions on this already, but a follow-up to those, please.
Speaker #2: I've seen some attributive comments this morning about the company having a 14 to 15 billion euro BD firepower amount for this year. And assuming that is right and that was the comment, what is the thinking there?
Speaker #2: Is it that you do you can really fire that immunology to get more assets that could complement or follow on from Dupi? Or with immunology looking a bit crowded and you've got a lot going on in immunology anyway, or already at a bit more competition coming as well, could you focus beyond Dupi and say, "Right, we're going to broaden out other areas of the business"?
[Analyst] (Barclays): Or with immunology looking a bit crowded, and you've got a lot going on in immunology anyway, or already, and a bit more competition coming as well, could you focus beyond Dupie and say, "Right, we're gonna, we're gonna broaden out other areas of the business?" So could it be, like, EUR 15 billion on, on one big deal? And if so, is it more likely to be trying to do even more immunology, or could you diversify?
Or with immunology looking a bit crowded, and you've got a lot going on in immunology anyway, or already, and a bit more competition coming as well, could you focus beyond Dupie and say, "Right, we're gonna, we're gonna broaden out other areas of the business?" So could it be, like, EUR 15 billion on, on one big deal? And if so, is it more likely to be trying to do even more immunology, or could you diversify?
Speaker #2: ? So could it be like 15 billion on one big deal? And if so, is it more likely to be trying to do even more immunology, or could you diversify?
Franois-Xavier Roger: No, because it's not-
François Roger: No, because it's not-
[Analyst] (Barclays): And so the second one I was just gonna say as well, so it was Eftoalpha, if I call it, for AAT. I didn't see that doing the regulatory plans. Have you now spoken to the FDA or, if not, when will you? And do you think you can file on the data you've got? Thanks.
James Gordon: And so the second one I was just gonna say as well, so it was Eftoalpha, if I call it, for AAT. I didn't see that doing the regulatory plans. Have you now spoken to the FDA or, if not, when will you? And do you think you can file on the data you've got? Thanks.
Speaker #2: Sorry, the second one I was just going to say as well. So EFTO Alpha, if I call it for AAT, I didn't see an update on the regulatory plans.
Speaker #2: Have you now spoken to the FDA, or if not, when will you? And do you think you can file on the data you've got?
Speaker #2: Thanks. Why don't we give Francois then?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Why don't we go François, then Houman?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Why don't we go François, then Houman?
Franois-Xavier Roger: No, no, I will let just, I will answer on the EUR 15 billion, which is, I would say, the upper limit of what we can do to maintain our double rating. So, it has nothing to do with where we can invest by TA and so forth. As I said, I mean, we are interested predominantly in strengthening our position in our, in our four existing TAs, plus potentially wide spaces. We could always contemplate going further than that. But the EUR 15 billion was the, let's say, technical limitation to preserve our double rating.
François Roger: No, no, I will let just, I will answer on the EUR 15 billion, which is, I would say, the upper limit of what we can do to maintain our double rating. So, it has nothing to do with where we can invest by TA and so forth. As I said, I mean, we are interested predominantly in strengthening our position in our, in our four existing TAs, plus potentially wide spaces. We could always contemplate going further than that. But the EUR 15 billion was the, let's say, technical limitation to preserve our double rating.
Speaker #3: No, I will let just I will answer on the 15 billion, which is, I would say, the upper limit of what we can do to maintain our double RAT.
Speaker #3: So this has nothing to do with where we can invest by ETA and so forth. As I said, I mean, we're interested predominantly in strengthening our position in our four existing TAs plus potentially wide spaces.
Speaker #3: We could always contemplate going further than that. But the 15 billion was the, let's say, technical limitation to preserve our double RAT.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Human.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Hemant?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Thank you, Hemant?
Speaker #3: Yeah, I'll follow Brian's lead. Thank you for the setup. We had excellent data as we announced late last year. Will imminently certainly this half of the year go to the FDA to have broader conversations on the trajectory of that molecule as we previously suggested.
Brian Foard: Yeah, I'll follow Brian. So thank you for the setup. We had excellent data as we announced late last year. We'll imminently, certainly this half of the year, go to the FDA to have broader conversations on the trajectory of that molecule, as we'd previously suggested. Thanks for the question.
Brian Foard: Yeah, I'll follow Brian. So thank you for the setup. We had excellent data as we announced late last year. We'll imminently, certainly this half of the year, go to the FDA to have broader conversations on the trajectory of that molecule, as we'd previously suggested. Thanks for the question.
Speaker #3: Thanks for the
Speaker #3: question. Okay.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, I think this is the final question for this, or at least next question.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, I think this is the final question for this, or at least next question.
Speaker #2: I think this is the final question for this, or at least next question.
Speaker #4: Yes, next question from James Quigley from Goldman Sachs. James?
Operator: Yes. Next question from James Quigley, from Goldman Sachs. James?
Operator: Yes. Next question from James Quigley, from Goldman Sachs. James?
Speaker #1: Perfect. Thank you for my questions. I've got two, please. Hopefully, they haven't already been asked, but I'll give it a go anyway. So firstly, on following on from Steve's question on the Regeneron portfolio, the IL-13 assets were not in the Alliance.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Perfect. Thank you so much for my questions. I've got two, please. Hopefully, they haven't already been asked, but I'll give it a go anyway. So firstly, on, following on from Steve's question on the Regeneron portfolio, the IL-13, the IL-13 assets were not in the alliance. So was that a Sanofi decision? So is it that you think Lunsekimig is more attractive option for IL-13? Can you give us any color yet as to why you're excited about the IL-13 and TSLP combination for Lunsekimig? And then secondly, on the Hemophilia portfolio, Altuviiio continues to show strong growth. What are your expectations here in terms of gaining additional share into 2026? Are you willing to give a peak sales forecast here now that you've hit blockbuster status?
James Quigley: Perfect. Thank you so much for my questions. I've got two, please. Hopefully, they haven't already been asked, but I'll give it a go anyway. So firstly, on, following on from Steve's question on the Regeneron portfolio, the IL-13, the IL-13 assets were not in the alliance. So was that a Sanofi decision? So is it that you think Lunsekimig is more attractive option for IL-13? Can you give us any color yet as to why you're excited about the IL-13 and TSLP combination for Lunsekimig? And then secondly, on the Hemophilia portfolio, Altuviiio continues to show strong growth. What are your expectations here in terms of gaining additional share into 2026? Are you willing to give a peak sales forecast here now that you've hit blockbuster status?
Speaker #1: So was that a sanity decision? So is it that you think the second biggest is more attractive option for IL-13? Can you give us any color yet as to why you're excited about the IL-13 and T-slip combination for Linzacomic?
Speaker #1: And then secondly, on the hemophilia portfolio, our Tuvio continues to show strong growth. What are your expectations here in terms of gaining additional share into 2026?
Speaker #1: Are you willing to give a peak sales forecast here now that you've hit blockbuster status? And also for Qfitlia, the launch is progressing steadily.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Also for Qvyfylia, the launch is progressing steadily. You, you've got China approval now, so what's the feedback been in terms of where Qvyfylia is being used? Are there any lingering thrombosis concerns with the product, that might be holding it back? Thank you.
Also for Qvyfylia, the launch is progressing steadily. You, you've got China approval now, so what's the feedback been in terms of where Qvyfylia is being used? Are there any lingering thrombosis concerns with the product, that might be holding it back? Thank you.
Speaker #1: You've got China approval now. So what's the feedback been in terms of where Qfitlia is being used? Are there any lingering thrombosis concerns with the product that may be holding it back?
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Okay. Thank you so much. Okay,
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you so much. Okay, Brian, over to you.
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: Okay, thank you so much. Okay, Brian, over to you.
Speaker #2: Brian, over to you. Yeah, James, thanks so much for—
Brian Foard: Yeah, James, thanks so much for the question. I briefly addressed it just before. So it's not a decision necessarily on the IL-13. I think we talked about this a little bit at JP Morgan not so long ago. But as I said before, we are, it's not in the alliance currently, but we're always open to having conversations with Regeneron about potentially including it in the alliance. As I also said, we have a long-acting IL-4 RA that actually is in the alliance, that we're actually working on right now as a follow-on asset to Dupixent. So again, long-standing, great partnership with Regeneron, so we'll always have conversations with them about what we might do next together. As it relates to Qvyfylia, you want me to tackle the Qvyfylia one next?
Brian Foard: Yeah, James, thanks so much for the question. I briefly addressed it just before. So it's not a decision necessarily on the IL-13. I think we talked about this a little bit at JP Morgan not so long ago. But as I said before, we are, it's not in the alliance currently, but we're always open to having conversations with Regeneron about potentially including it in the alliance. As I also said, we have a long-acting IL-4 RA that actually is in the alliance, that we're actually working on right now as a follow-on asset to Dupixent. So again, long-standing, great partnership with Regeneron, so we'll always have conversations with them about what we might do next together. As it relates to Qvyfylia, you want me to tackle the Qvyfylia one next?
Speaker #3: the question. I briefly addressed it just before. So not a decision necessarily on the IL-13, I think we talked about this a little bit at JPMorgan, not so long ago.
Speaker #3: But as I said before, we are, if not in the Alliance currently, but we're always open to having conversations with Regeneron about potentially including it in the Alliance, as I also said, we had a long-acting IL-4R, RA that actually is in the Alliance that we're actually working on right now as a follow-on asset to depilimab.
Speaker #3: So again, long withstanding great partnership with Regeneron, so we'll always have conversations with them about what we might do next together. As it relates to Qfitlia, you want me to tackle the Qfitlia one next.
Brian Foard: Qvyfylia is, again, it's still early days as far as the launch goes. We said from the very beginning, this is really very cool therapy in the sense that it is a very targeted kind of precision medicine, if you will. Comes with a diagnostic as it relates to antithrombin levels. And again, what we said is we'll have a little slower ramp. I think it'll be a lot stickier on the back end from a patient standpoint, as physicians get really... They can dial it up and dial it down as the, as the patient presents, and as it's really more personalized by each patient. So far, we've heard really good feedback from the marketplace. No concerns as far as safety goes so far, but again, it's, it's early days and, and promising. We'll keep, keep you up to date in future calls.
Speaker #3: Qfitlia is, again, it's still early days as far as the launch goes. We said from the very beginning, this is really a very cool therapy in the sense that it is very targeted.
Qvyfylia is, again, it's still early days as far as the launch goes. We said from the very beginning, this is really very cool therapy in the sense that it is a very targeted kind of precision medicine, if you will. Comes with a diagnostic as it relates to antithrombin levels. And again, what we said is we'll have a little slower ramp. I think it'll be a lot stickier on the back end from a patient standpoint, as physicians get really... They can dial it up and dial it down as the, as the patient presents, and as it's really more personalized by each patient. So far, we've heard really good feedback from the marketplace. No concerns as far as safety goes so far, but again, it's, it's early days and, and promising. We'll keep, keep you up to date in future calls.
Speaker #3: It kind of precision medicine, if you will, comes with a diagnostic as it relates to anti-thrombin levels. And again, what we said is we'll have a little slower ramp.
Speaker #3: I think it'll be a lot as physicians get really they can stickier on the back end from a patient standpoint dial it up and dial it down as the patient presents and as it's really more personalized by each patient.
Speaker #3: So far, we've heard really good feedback from the marketplace. No concerns as far as safety goes so far. But again, it's early days and promising.
Speaker #3: We'll keep you up to date in future calls.
Paul Hudson: ... Okay, okay, thanks, Brian. And then I think there may be one more?
Thomas Kudsk Larsen: ... Okay, okay, thanks, Brian. And then I think there may be one more?
Speaker #2: Okay. Okay, thanks, Brian. And then I think there may be one more.
Operator: Yeah, one more question, and last question from Graham Perry, from Citi. Graham?
Operator: Yeah, one more question, and last question from Graham Perry, from Citi. Graham?
Speaker #4: Yeah, one more question and last question from Granbury. From CT Gram.
Speaker #3: Great. Thanks for squeezing me in. Apologies if it has been answered that. I think it hasn't. I just wanted to check on Itapecumab. You're saying about looking at additional data for the path forward.
[Analyst] (Citi): Great. Thanks for squeezing me in, and apologies if it has been asked, but, I, I think it hasn't. I just wanted to check on Itepekimab. You, you're saying about looking at additional data, for the path forward. So can you give us timelines on what it is you're looking on the data and the clarity and timelines on path forward for, for that molecule? And then Tolebrutinib in the US, are we just correct to assume no path forward in the US? If you could just comment on rest of world regulators' attitudes to the ability to monitor compared to the US, that would be very useful. Thank you.
Graham Parry: Great. Thanks for squeezing me in, and apologies if it has been asked, but, I, I think it hasn't. I just wanted to check on Itepekimab. You, you're saying about looking at additional data, for the path forward. So can you give us timelines on what it is you're looking on the data and the clarity and timelines on path forward for, for that molecule? And then Tolebrutinib in the US, are we just correct to assume no path forward in the US? If you could just comment on rest of world regulators' attitudes to the ability to monitor compared to the US, that would be very useful. Thank you.
Speaker #3: So can you give us timelines on what it is you're looking on the data and the clarity and timelines on path forward for that molecule?
Speaker #3: And then Tolobutinib in the US, are we just correct to assume no path forward in the US if you could just comment on rest of world regulators' attitudes to the ability to monitor compared to the US?
Speaker #3: That'd be very useful. Thank you. Graham at Citi and those that will know, know I have made that point. Thank you for the question.
Houman Ashrafian: Graham, at Citi, and those that will know, know I made that point. Thank you for the question. The first question... Let me do it in reverse. Tolebrutinib's approach is pretty straightforward. We're waiting for regulatory comments from rest of world, as you say, from EU, and we'll see where we take it from there. And then, on Itepekimab, as I've consistently said, the next steps for Itepekimab will be determined by interactions with the FDA, predominantly, to establish exactly the requirements for a replication study for Phase III going forward. As soon as we know, we will commit to sharing it more broadly in partnership with our successful alliance partners, Regeneron.
Houman Ashrafian: Graham, at Citi, and those that will know, know I made that point. Thank you for the question. The first question... Let me do it in reverse. Tolebrutinib's approach is pretty straightforward. We're waiting for regulatory comments from rest of world, as you say, from EU, and we'll see where we take it from there. And then, on Itepekimab, as I've consistently said, the next steps for Itepekimab will be determined by interactions with the FDA, predominantly, to establish exactly the requirements for a replication study for Phase III going forward. As soon as we know, we will commit to sharing it more broadly in partnership with our successful alliance partners, Regeneron.
Speaker #3: The first question, let me do it in reverse. Tolobutinib's approach is pretty straightforward. We're waiting for regulatory comments from the rest of the world, as you say, from the EU.
Speaker #3: And we'll see where we take it from there. And then on Itapecumab, as I've consistently said, the next steps for Itapecumab will be determined by interactions with the FDA, predominantly to establish exactly the requirements for a replication study for phase three going forward.
Speaker #3: As soon as we know, we will commit to sharing it—broadly, in partnership with our successful Alliance partners.
Speaker #3: Regeneron. Okay, thank you, Human.
Paul Hudson: Okay, thank you, Houman. Thank you, Graham. Well, thanks for this last question. In 2025, we achieved a strong year of profitable growth. Sales increased by 9.9% at constant exchange rates, while business EPS improved significantly faster by 15%. We launched 3 new medicines and vaccines, Qvyfylia, Wayrilz, and Nuvaxovid. All this was made possible by the dedicated effort of all Sanofi colleagues worldwide. In 2026, we expect to sales to grow by a high single-digit percentage and business EPS to grow slightly faster than sales. We anticipate profitable growth to continue over at least 5 years. Based on our pipeline, combined with external growth opportunities, our ambition is to pursue earnings growth into the next decade. With this, I would like to thank you for the interest in Sanofi, and we'll now close the call. Thank you.
Paul Hudson: Okay, thank you, Houman. Thank you, Graham. Well, thanks for this last question. In 2025, we achieved a strong year of profitable growth. Sales increased by 9.9% at constant exchange rates, while business EPS improved significantly faster by 15%. We launched 3 new medicines and vaccines, Qvyfylia, Wayrilz, and Nuvaxovid. All this was made possible by the dedicated effort of all Sanofi colleagues worldwide. In 2026, we expect to sales to grow by a high single-digit percentage and business EPS to grow slightly faster than sales. We anticipate profitable growth to continue over at least 5 years. Based on our pipeline, combined with external growth opportunities, our ambition is to pursue earnings growth into the next decade. With this, I would like to thank you for the interest in Sanofi, and we'll now close the call. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Graham. Well, thanks for this last question. In 2025, we achieved a strong year of profitable growth. Sales increased by 9.9% with constant exchange rates.
Speaker #2: Our business EPS improved significantly faster by 15%. We launched three new medicines and vaccines, Qfitlia, Wavrils, and Nuvaxavid. All this has made possible by the dedicated effort of all Sanofi colleagues worldwide.
Speaker #2: In 2026, we expect sales to grow by a high single-digit percentage, and business EPS to grow slightly faster than sales. We anticipate profitable growth to continue over at least five years.
Speaker #2: Based on our pipeline, combined with external growth opportunities, our ambition is to pursue earnings growth into the next decade. This I would like to thank you for the interest in Sanofi.
