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Q4 2025 NovaGold Resources Inc Earnings Call
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Mélanie Hennessey: Thank you, Ayesha. Good morning, everyone. We are pleased that you've joined us for NOVAGOLD 2025 year-end webcast and conference call, and also for an update on the Donlin Gold Project. On today's call, we have NOVAGOLD's Chairman, Dr. Thomas Kaplan, President and CEO Greg Lang, and Peter Adamek, NOVAGOLD's Vice President and CFO.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Aisha. Good morning, everyone. We are pleased that you've joined us for NOVAGOLD's 2025 year-end webcast and conference call, and also for an update on the Donlin Gold Project.
Operator: We are pleased that you've joined us for NOVAGOLD 2025 year-end webcast and conference call, and also for an update on the Donlin Gold Project. On today's call, we have NOVAGOLD's Chairman, Dr. Thomas Kaplan, President and CEO Greg Lang, and Peter Adamek, NOVAGOLD's Vice President and CFO. At the end of the webcast, we will take questions by phone. Additionally, we will respond to questions received by email. I would like to remind you, as stated on slide 3, any statements made today may contain forward-looking information, such as projections and goals, which are likely to involve risks detailed in our various EDGAR and CEDAR filings, and forward-looking disclaimers that are included in this presentation. With that, I will now turn the presentation over to Dr. Thomas Kaplan. Thank you very much, Melanie.
Speaker #2: On today's call, we have NOVAGOLD's Chairman, Dr. Thomas Kaplan, President and CEO, Greg Lang, and Peter Adamek, NOVAGOLD's Vice President and CFO. At the end of the webcast, we will take questions by phone.
At the end of the webcast, we will take questions by phone. Additionally, we will respond to questions received by email. I would like to remind you, as stated on slide 3, any statements made today may contain forward-looking information, such as projections and goals, which are likely to involve risks detailed in our various EDGAR and CEDAR filings, and forward-looking disclaimers that are included in this presentation. With that, I will now turn the presentation over to Dr. Thomas Kaplan.
Speaker #2: Additionally, we will respond to questions received by email. I would like to remind you, as stated on slide three, any statements made today may contain forward-looking information.
Speaker #2: Such as projections and goals, which are likely to involve risk, detail, and/or various edgar and Cedar filings, and forward-looking disclaimers that are included in this presentation.
Speaker #2: With that, I will now turn the presentation over to Dr. Thomas Kaplan.
Thomas Kaplan: Thank you very much, Melanie. When we start on slide 4, I'd just like to point out something which, in this era of volatility and resource nationalism, it's important to understand that NOVAGOLD and our partners at Paulson are building the path to what will be America's largest single gold mine. That's an extraordinary statement, and candidly, one that would have seemed to many people a year ago something that would be very hard to imagine.
Speaker #3: Thank you very much, Melanie. When we start on slide four, I'd just like to point out something, which is that in this era of volatility and resource nationalism, it's important to understand that NOVAGOLD and our partners at Paulson are building the path to what will be America's largest single gold mine.
Operator: When we start on slide 4, I'd just like to point out something which, in this era of volatility and resource nationalism, it's important to understand that NOVAGOLD and our partners at Paulson are building the path to what will be America's largest single gold mine. That's an extraordinary statement, and candidly, one that would have seemed to many people a year ago something that would be very hard to imagine. And yet, here we are at a perfect time to be building America's gold mine. If we go to slide 5, I'd like to speak to the most important event that took place last year, and that was the transaction that has already shown itself to be catalytic. And yet, on the other hand, for reasons which I will state, I believe that we are really in just the first inning of the revaluation of NOVAGOLD.
Speaker #3: That's an extraordinary statement. Candidly, one that would have seemed to many people a year ago something that would be very hard to imagine and yet here we are at a perfect time to be building America's gold mine.
And yet, here we are at a perfect time to be building America's gold mine. If we go to slide 5, I'd like to speak to the most important event that took place last year, and that was the transaction that has already shown itself to be catalytic. And yet, on the other hand, for reasons which I will state, I believe that we are really in just the first inning of the revaluation of NOVAGOLD.
Speaker #3: If we go to slide five, I'd like to speak to the most important event that took place last year, and that was the transaction that has already shown itself to be catalytic. And yet, on the other hand, for reasons which I will state, I believe that we are really in just the first inning of the revaluation of NOVAGOLD.
Speaker #3: And the reason is simple. For the first time, NOVAGOLD is perfectly aligned with its partner. People used to ask me, "Tom, you own gold assets, silver assets, and you never joined the public boards. Why this one?"
Operator: And the reason is simple. For the first time, NOVAGOLD is perfectly aligned with its partner. People used to ask me, "Tom, you own gold assets, silver assets, and you never joined the public boards. Why this one?" And my answer to that is because I enjoy it. I love working with the people, and by temperament, if I'm interested in something, I tend to go all in. My interest in NOVAGOLD has been metaphysical from the time that I first saw it in the public markets to the time when, on 31 December 2008, Igor Levental negotiated an agreement that effectively had us come in as the savior of NOVAGOLD, which was going to go out of business. It had a lot of problems. We turned them around. But along the way, our first shareholder has become something of an angel, and that's John Paulson.
And the reason is simple. For the first time, NOVAGOLD is perfectly aligned with its partner. People used to ask me, "Tom, you own gold assets, silver assets, and you never joined the public boards. Why this one?" And my answer to that is because I enjoy it. I love working with the people, and by temperament, if I'm interested in something, I tend to go all in.
Speaker #3: And my answer to that is because I enjoy it. I love working with the people, and by temperament, if I'm interested in something, I tend to go all in.
Speaker #3: My interest in NOVAGOLD has been metaphysical from the time that I first saw it in the public markets to the time when on December 31st, 2008, Igor Levental, negotiated an agreement that effectively had us come in as the savior of NOVAGOLD, which was going to go out of business.
My interest in NOVAGOLD has been metaphysical from the time that I first saw it in the public markets to the time when, on 31 December 2008, Igor Levental negotiated an agreement that effectively had us come in as the savior of NOVAGOLD, which was going to go out of business. It had a lot of problems. We turned them around. But along the way, our first shareholder has become something of an angel, and that's John Paulson.
Speaker #3: It had a lot of problems. We turned them around. But along the way, our first shareholder has become something of an angel. And that's John Paulson.
Speaker #3: He was the first investor in NOVAGOLD after the Electrum Group took it over. And it was a fantastic journey. As some of you will read, Greg Lang's own story of how he came to NOVAGOLD, when John sent his analysts to see whether I could possibly be right when I posited that we think it's possible that NOVAGOLD, just on the 5% of the land package that's been explored, is a pure play on the next Carlin.
Operator: He was the first investor in NOVAGOLD after The Electrum Group took it over. It was a fantastic journey, as some of you will read Greg Lang's own story of how he came to NOVAGOLD. When John sent his analysts to see whether I could possibly be right when I posited that we think it's possible that NOVAGOLD, just on the 5% of the land package that's been explored, is a pure play on the next Carlin, we felt that we could see 80 to 100 million ounces. Of course, he found that that was highly improbable. He sent his analysts to visit. They came back. He called me, and he said, "What do you want to do?" I said, "I'd like $100 million." He said, "Done." I said, "What changed?" He said, "Our analysts came back. We can see what you see.
He was the first investor in NOVAGOLD after The Electrum Group took it over. It was a fantastic journey, as some of you will read Greg Lang's own story of how he came to NOVAGOLD. When John sent his analysts to see whether I could possibly be right when I posited that we think it's possible that NOVAGOLD, just on the 5% of the land package that's been explored, is a pure play on the next Carlin, we felt that we could see 80 to 100 million ounces.
Speaker #3: We felt that we could see 80 to 100 million ounces, and of course he found that that was highly improbable. He sent his analysts to visit, they came back, he called me, and he said, "What do you want to do?" And I said, "I'd like 100 million dollars." He said, "Done." And I said, "What changed?" And he said, "Our analysts came back, we can see what you see." Congratulations.
Of course, he found that that was highly improbable. He sent his analysts to visit. They came back. He called me, and he said, "What do you want to do?" I said, "I'd like $100 million." He said, "Done." I said, "What changed?" He said, "Our analysts came back. We can see what you see.
Operator: Congratulations." Up until about 2020, I think I can say that it really was a lot of fun. And then, unfortunately, we had some glitches. I'll get to that in a moment. But suffice to say that since John Paulson took the extraordinary step of investing $800 million personally to take a 40% stake in Donlin, the market has understood that this may well have been the best single buy in the gold mining space since Barrick itself bought Goldstrike, which was the company maker for that company, and certainly one of them as well for Franco-Nevada.
Congratulations." Up until about 2020, I think I can say that it really was a lot of fun. And then, unfortunately, we had some glitches. I'll get to that in a moment. But suffice to say that since John Paulson took the extraordinary step of investing $800 million personally to take a 40% stake in Donlin, the market has understood that this may well have been the best single buy in the gold mining space since Barrick itself bought Goldstrike, which was the company maker for that company, and certainly one of them as well for Franco-Nevada.
Speaker #3: Up until about 2020, I think I can say that it really was a lot of fun. And then, unfortunately, we had some glitches. I'll get to that in a moment.
Speaker #3: But suffice to say that since John Paulson took the extraordinary step of investing $800 million personally to take a 40% stake in Donlin, the market has understood that this may well have been the best single buy in the gold mining space since Barrick itself bought Goldstrike, which was the company maker for that company and certainly one of them as well for Franco-Nevada.
Speaker #3: The market reception that we've had from a low of two and a half dollars early last year to, well, where we are today, certainly shows that people understand not just the quality of the asset, but that we are due for a major, major revaluation which, as far as we're concerned, hasn't really even taken place yet.
Operator: The market reception that we've had from a low of $2.50 early last year to, well, where we are today certainly shows that people understand not just the quality of the asset, but that we are due for a major, major revaluation, which, as far as we're concerned, hasn't really even taken place yet. Next slide, please. On slide 6, what you can see is a very interesting story. We were partners for a very, very long time. The Barrick partnership pre-existed my coming into the story in 2008, 2009. But from the time that we applied our team approach, NOVAGOLD was one of the premier-rated assets in the GDXJ. And we believe that it has the potential to be that, once again, maybe the premier asset in the play.
The market reception that we've had from a low of $2.50 early last year to, well, where we are today certainly shows that people understand not just the quality of the asset, but that we are due for a major, major revaluation, which, as far as we're concerned, hasn't really even taken place yet. Next slide, please. On slide 6, what you can see is a very interesting story.
Speaker #3: Next slide, please. On slide six, what you can see is a very interesting story. We were partners for a very, very long time. The Barrick partnership pre-existed my coming into the story in 2008, 2009.
We were partners for a very, very long time. The Barrick partnership pre-existed my coming into the story in 2008, 2009. But from the time that we applied our team approach, NOVAGOLD was one of the premier-rated assets in the GDXJ. And we believe that it has the potential to be that, once again, maybe the premier asset in the play.
Speaker #3: But from the time that we applied our team approach, NOVAGOLD was one of the premier-rated assets in the GDXJ. And we believe that it has the potential to be that once again—maybe the premier asset in the play.
Speaker #3: And what you see is a very, very nice progression up until about 2020, when there was a change in management at Barrick. Well, the next several years were not as fun as the previous ones.
Operator: And what you see is a very, very nice progression up until about 2020 when there was a change in management at Barrick. Well, the next several years were not as fun as the previous ones. However, by the time that last year or the year before rolled around, it was very clear that our partner's agenda was not going to work. And fortunately, Mark Bristow and I were able to reach an agreement to buy Barrick's half of Donlin Gold, with John Paulson buying 80% of that stake and NOVAGOLD increasing its stake from 50% to 60%. We went from having years of non-alignment with our partner, whose eyes had wandered very much to copper and in some very interesting jurisdictions, to being in a position where we could once again reboot and take us back to where we were.
And what you see is a very, very nice progression up until about 2020 when there was a change in management at Barrick. Well, the next several years were not as fun as the previous ones. However, by the time that last year or the year before rolled around, it was very clear that our partner's agenda was not going to work.
Speaker #3: However, by the time that last year, or the year before, rolled around, it was very clear that our partners' agenda was not going to work.
Speaker #3: And fortunately, Mark Bristo and I were able to reach an agreement to buy Barrick's half of Donlin. With John Paulson buying 80% of that stake and NOVAGOLD increasing its stake from 50 to 60%, we went from having years of non-alignment with our partner whose eyes had wandered very much to copper, and in some very interesting jurisdictions, to being in a position where we could once again reboot and take us back to where we were.
And fortunately, Mark Bristow and I were able to reach an agreement to buy Barrick's half of Donlin Gold, with John Paulson buying 80% of that stake and NOVAGOLD increasing its stake from 50% to 60%. We went from having years of non-alignment with our partner, whose eyes had wandered very much to copper and in some very interesting jurisdictions, to being in a position where we could once again reboot and take us back to where we were.
Speaker #3: Well, if you look at this chart, we were a $12 stock in 2020, so many things have happened since then. And I would argue, and I think John Paulson would heartily agree, that based on where we should be—where we would have been without the delay—we would be multiples higher than where we are today.
Operator: Well, if you look at this chart, we were a $12 stock in 2020. So many things have happened since then. And I would argue, and I think John Paulson would heartily agree, that based on where we should be, where we would have been without the delay, we would be multiples higher than where we are today. One thing I can tell you is that I will be working with management and also with the Paulson Group for us to regain that lost ground and multiply where we should be, because to my mind, that lost ground took place in sub-$2,000 gold, and we are in a completely different place. And one of the reasons why I am so confident about that is that we are literally in the right place.
Well, if you look at this chart, we were a $12 stock in 2020. So many things have happened since then. And I would argue, and I think John Paulson would heartily agree, that based on where we should be, where we would have been without the delay, we would be multiples higher than where we are today.
One thing I can tell you is that I will be working with management and also with the Paulson Group for us to regain that lost ground and multiply where we should be, because to my mind, that lost ground took place in sub-$2,000 gold, and we are in a completely different place. And one of the reasons why I am so confident about that is that we are literally in the right place.
Speaker #3: One thing I can tell you is that I will be working with management and also with the Paulson Group for us to regain that lost ground and multiply where we should be.
Speaker #3: Because to my mind, that lost ground took place in sub-$2,000 gold, and we are in a completely different place. And one of the reasons why I am so confident about that is that we are literally in the right place.
Speaker #3: People talk about world-class, but as somebody who really made his fortunes in countries like Bolivia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, I sold Kibali, to Mark Bristo, I really do believe that in order to be able to get the premium rating you have to be in a place where people can sleep well at night, where when they go to sleep they know that when they wake up in the morning what they thought they owned they still own.
Operator: People talk about world-class, but as somebody who really made his fortunes in countries like Bolivia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, I sold Kibali to Mark Bristow. I really do believe that in order to be able to get the premium rating, you have to be in a place where people can sleep well at night, where when they go to sleep, they know that when they wake up in the morning, what they thought they owned, they still own. In other words, you want all the leverage to an underlying thesis, but in a jurisdiction that will allow you to keep the fruits of that leverage. It really doesn't get any better than Alaska. So for all of those reasons, I believe that we are really just in the first inning. We haven't really even taken ourselves back to where we should be at $2,000 gold. Next slide.
People talk about world-class, but as somebody who really made his fortunes in countries like Bolivia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, I sold Kibali to Mark Bristow. I really do believe that in order to be able to get the premium rating, you have to be in a place where people can sleep well at night, where when they go to sleep, they know that when they wake up in the morning, what they thought they owned, they still own.
In other words, you want all the leverage to an underlying thesis, but in a jurisdiction that will allow you to keep the fruits of that leverage. It really doesn't get any better than Alaska. So for all of those reasons, I believe that we are really just in the first inning. We haven't really even taken ourselves back to where we should be at $2,000 gold. Next slide.
Speaker #3: In other words, you want all the leverage to an underlying thesis, but in a jurisdiction that will allow you to keep the fruits of that leverage.
Speaker #3: It really doesn't get any better than Alaska. So, for all of those reasons, I believe that we are really just in the first inning.
Speaker #3: We haven't really even taken ourselves back to where we should be at 2,000 dollar gold. Next slide. Now let me talk a bit about the advantage that we have from being partners with John Paulson and his team.
Operator: Now, let me talk a bit about the advantage that we have from being partners with John Paulson and his team. They are proven talents in the mining industry at a time when very few generalists have the kind of expertise that they have shown, not just in picking the right assets, but also, where necessary, becoming activists. John Paulson, of course, is very famous for having been perhaps the greatest beneficiary of identifying the macro trade that coincided with the financial crisis. And as George Soros put it at the time, he not only identified the trade, he identified the very, very best vehicles to be able to make from 10 to 100 times on the investments for his clients. I am very proud to say that John, who has been an investor in NOVAGOLD since 2010, is our longest-standing and most active shareholder.
Now, let me talk a bit about the advantage that we have from being partners with John Paulson and his team. They are proven talents in the mining industry at a time when very few generalists have the kind of expertise that they have shown, not just in picking the right assets, but also, where necessary, becoming activists.
Speaker #3: They are proven talents in the mining industry at a time when very few generalists have the kind of expertise that they have shown—not just in picking the right assets, but also, where necessary, becoming activists.
John Paulson, of course, is very famous for having been perhaps the greatest beneficiary of identifying the macro trade that coincided with the financial crisis. And as George Soros put it at the time, he not only identified the trade, he identified the very, very best vehicles to be able to make from 10 to 100 times on the investments for his clients. I am very proud to say that John, who has been an investor in NOVAGOLD since 2010, is our longest-standing and most active shareholder.
Speaker #3: John Paulson, of course, is very famous for having been perhaps the greatest beneficiary of identifying the macro trade that coincided with the financial crisis.
Speaker #3: And as George Soros put it at the time, he not only identified the trade, he identified the very, very best vehicles to be able to make from 10 to 100 times on the investments for his clients.
Speaker #3: I am very proud to say that John, who has been an investor in NOVAGOLD since 2010, is our longest-standing and most active shareholder. But the fact that John, who is, as I've been, a very, very well-known public advocate for gold ownership, has decided to make such an investment—he's basically said: the macros, I know.
Operator: But the fact that John, who is, as I've been, a very, very well-known public advocate for gold ownership, has decided to make such an investment, he's basically said, "The macros, I know. I'm bullish on gold. I want more exposure to it. And as far as I'm concerned, Donlin is the single best way for me to play it." In other words, the same thesis that accompanied his views on how to be able to deal with subprime and the housing crisis are embodied in the stake that he has taken in Donlin. He didn't have to do it. He saw an opportunity. And again, I really do believe, and all credit to him, that this will be the single savviest investment having been made in the gold space in many, many decades.
But the fact that John, who is, as I've been, a very, very well-known public advocate for gold ownership, has decided to make such an investment, he's basically said, "The macros, I know. I'm bullish on gold. I want more exposure to it.
Speaker #3: I'm bullish on gold. I want more exposure to it. And as far as I'm concerned, Donlin is the single best way for me to play it.
And as far as I'm concerned, Donlin is the single best way for me to play it." In other words, the same thesis that accompanied his views on how to be able to deal with subprime and the housing crisis are embodied in the stake that he has taken in Donlin. He didn't have to do it. He saw an opportunity. And again, I really do believe, and all credit to him, that this will be the single savviest investment having been made in the gold space in many, many decades.
Speaker #3: In other words, the same thesis that accompanied his views on how to be able to deal with subprime and the housing crisis are embodied in the stake that he has taken in Donlin.
Speaker #3: He didn't have to do it. He saw an opportunity. And again, I really do believe—and all credit to him—that this will be the single savviest investment made in the gold space in many, many decades.
Speaker #3: One other factor that I'd like to add is not only does Paulson bring acumen and strategic depth to the project, but also they have extraordinary access to financing that is not necessarily my frame of reference.
Operator: One other factor that I'd like to add is not only does Paulson bring acumen and strategic depth to the project, but also they have extraordinary access to financing that is not necessarily my frame of reference. So in Electrum, we have several sovereign wealth funds, which are the only outside owners in what is essentially a family and employee-owned business. My strong suit is in the sovereign wealth funds. John's is in the United States. As we've seen with the success of Perpetua, he knows how to be able to bring capital to an equation to be able to lower the cost of capital. There are many, many upsides in the financing opportunities which we can look towards. There are a number of countries, including Japan, Korea, the Emirates, and Saudi Arabia, which really have pledged to invest well over $1 trillion in the United States.
One other factor that I'd like to add is not only does Paulson bring acumen and strategic depth to the project, but also they have extraordinary access to financing that is not necessarily my frame of reference. So in Electrum, we have several sovereign wealth funds, which are the only outside owners in what is essentially a family and employee-owned business. My strong suit is in the sovereign wealth funds. John's is in the United States.
Speaker #3: So, intellectually, we have several sovereign wealth funds, which are the only outside owners in what is essentially a family- and employee-owned business. And my strong suit is in the sovereign wealth funds.
Speaker #3: John's in the United States. And, as we've seen with the success of Perpetua, he knows how to bring capital to an equation, to be able to lower the cost of capital.
As we've seen with the success of Perpetua, he knows how to be able to bring capital to an equation to be able to lower the cost of capital. There are many, many upsides in the financing opportunities which we can look towards. There are a number of countries, including Japan, Korea, the Emirates, and Saudi Arabia, which really have pledged to invest well over $1 trillion in the United States.
Speaker #3: And there are many, many upsides in the financing opportunities which we can look towards. There are a number of countries including Japan, Korea, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, which really have pledged to invest well over a trillion dollars in the United States.
Speaker #3: I would venture to say that the largest gold mine in the United States on the Pacific coast might very well be attractive to countries like Japan, where you have very, very strong gold demand or a country like Korea, where the central banks or the central bank has said that they're going to resume gold purchases.
Operator: I would venture to say that the largest gold mine in the United States on the Pacific coast might very well be attractive to countries like Japan, where you have very, very strong gold demand, or a country like Korea, where the central banks or the central bank has said that they're going to resume gold purchases. Well, Japan has pledged $550 billion, and last I saw, Korea, $350 billion. And then, of course, you have the Emiratis, who are partners with me, and the Saudis, who are partners with me. It's a whole different world to be able to finance the largest gold mine in the United States. Paulson brings advantages to us in that respect. And there are many, many upsides that could take place. It's possible we could merge and on a 100% basis be a 1.5 million ounce gold producer.
I would venture to say that the largest gold mine in the United States on the Pacific coast might very well be attractive to countries like Japan, where you have very, very strong gold demand, or a country like Korea, where the central banks or the central bank has said that they're going to resume gold purchases. Well, Japan has pledged $550 billion, and last I saw, Korea, $350 billion.
Speaker #3: pledged 550 billion Well, Japan has dollars and last I saw, Korea 350 billion. And then, of course, you have the Emiratis who are partners with me, the Saudis who are partners with me, it's a whole different world to be able to finance the largest gold mine in the United States.
And then, of course, you have the Emiratis, who are partners with me, and the Saudis, who are partners with me. It's a whole different world to be able to finance the largest gold mine in the United States. Paulson brings advantages to us in that respect. And there are many, many upsides that could take place. It's possible we could merge and on a 100% basis be a 1.5 million ounce gold producer.
Speaker #3: Paulson brings advantages to us in that respect. And there are many, many upsides that could take place, possible we could merge. And on 100% basis, be a one and a half million ounce gold producer.
Speaker #3: Whatever is in the interest of NOVAGOLD, we will always consider, and most importantly, take into consideration our shareholders, who have been fantastic guides. But the point is, there are upside cases on financing stories that really didn't exist until a year ago.
Operator: Whatever is in the interest of NOVAGOLD, we will always consider and, most importantly, take into consideration our shareholders who have been fantastic guides. But the point is there are upside cases on financing stories that really didn't exist until a year ago. So again, watch this space. Now, I'd like to go into something which on slide 8 may look like a little bit of self-aggrandizement. There are others who have been bullish on gold, not as many who have basically put all of their wealth into gold and silver mining assets. We are called Electrum because it is a naturally occurring alloy of gold and silver. And we have been all in. And obviously, what's transpired over the last year or two has been wonderful.
Whatever is in the interest of NOVAGOLD, we will always consider and, most importantly, take into consideration our shareholders who have been fantastic guides. But the point is there are upside cases on financing stories that really didn't exist until a year ago. So again, watch this space. Now, I'd like to go into something which on slide 8 may look like a little bit of self-aggrandizement.
Speaker #3: So again, watch this space. Now I'd like to go into something which on slide eight may look like a little bit of self-aggrandizement. There are those who have been bullish on gold.
There are others who have been bullish on gold, not as many who have basically put all of their wealth into gold and silver mining assets. We are called Electrum because it is a naturally occurring alloy of gold and silver. And we have been all in. And obviously, what's transpired over the last year or two has been wonderful.
Speaker #3: Not as many who have basically put all of their wealth into gold and silver mining assets. We are called Electrum, because it is a naturally occurring alloy of gold and silver.
Speaker #3: And we have been all in, and obviously what's transpired over the last year or two has been wonderful. But when I go out on the road, because I have been gold's evangelist, or one of them, for a number of years, I'm very often asked where I see gold going.
Operator: But when I go out on the road, because I have been gold's evangelist or one of them for a number of years, I'm very often asked where I see gold going. So if I can take a step back so that it gives me the opportunity without selective disclosure or selective hypothesizing, for years I expressed that I thought the first equilibrium level for gold would be between $3,000 to 5,000. I expressed this publicly as early as when gold was at $550. And that, of course, took a lot of people by surprise. I expressed I was going to sell what I then had as the fastest-growing privately held natural gas producer in the United States. We sold that in 2007 to pivot entirely into the one money that I believed in and still believe in. Gold 1.0 has been great.
But when I go out on the road, because I have been gold's evangelist or one of them for a number of years, I'm very often asked where I see gold going. So if I can take a step back so that it gives me the opportunity without selective disclosure or selective hypothesizing, for years I expressed that I thought the first equilibrium level for gold would be between $3,000 to 5,000.
Speaker #3: So, if I can take a step back so that it gives me the opportunity, without selective disclosure or selective hypothesizing—for years I expressed that I thought the first equilibrium level for gold would be between $3,000 to $5,000.
Speaker #3: I expressed this publicly as early as when gold was at $550. And that, of course, took a lot of people by surprise. I expressed I was going to sell what I then had as the fastest-growing privately held natural gas producer in the United States.
I expressed this publicly as early as when gold was at $550. And that, of course, took a lot of people by surprise. I expressed I was going to sell what I then had as the fastest-growing privately held natural gas producer in the United States. We sold that in 2007 to pivot entirely into the one money that I believed in and still believe in. Gold 1.0 has been great.
Speaker #3: We sold that in 2007 to pivot entirely into the one money that I believed in—and still believe in. Gold 1.0 has been great.
Speaker #3: Candidly, crypto and calling it Gold 2.0 has expanded Gold 1.0's reach to so many places that I normally don't even have to speak to most people about why they should own gold.
Operator: Candidly, crypto and calling it gold 2.0 has expanded gold 1.0's reach to so many places that I normally don't even have to speak to most people about why they should own gold. I just tell them where I think it's going. In May 2019, I did a Bloomberg peer-to-peer interview with David Rubenstein. That night, gold was at about $1,900. Actually, that's not true. It was $1,280. And David asked me, "So you see it going past $1,900, which was the previous high?" And I told him, "I believe that when it goes past $1,900, we're talking about $3,000 to 5,000." But I also added this, which was, "If not a lot higher, depending on macro circumstances that today seem dim, but which I can't really quantify." Now, at that time, I was already formulating a different thesis on where I saw gold going.
Candidly, crypto and calling it gold 2.0 has expanded gold 1.0's reach to so many places that I normally don't even have to speak to most people about why they should own gold. I just tell them where I think it's going. In May 2019, I did a Bloomberg peer-to-peer interview with David Rubenstein. That night, gold was at about $1,900.
Speaker #3: I just tell them where I think it's going. In May 2019, I did a Bloomberg peer-to-peer interview with David Rubenstein that night. Gold was at about 1,900.
Actually, that's not true. It was $1,280. And David asked me, "So you see it going past $1,900, which was the previous high?" And I told him, "I believe that when it goes past $1,900, we're talking about $3,000 to 5,000." But I also added this, which was, "If not a lot higher, depending on macro circumstances that today seem dim, but which I can't really quantify." Now, at that time, I was already formulating a different thesis on where I saw gold going.
Speaker #3: Actually, that's not true. It was 1,280. And David asked me, 'So you see it going past 1,900, which was the previous high?' And I told him, 'I believe that when it goes past 1,900, we're talking about $3,000 to $5,000.'
Speaker #3: But I also added this, which was, if not a lot higher, depending on macro circumstances that today seem dim, but which I can't really quantify.
Speaker #3: Now, at that time, I was already formulating a different thesis on where I saw gold going. A lot had changed since the early 2000s.
Operator: A lot had changed since the early 2000s. My thesis had changed, but I really didn't think it was prudent for me to say that publicly. It was already enough when gold was at $1,280 to say I see it going from $3,000 to 5,000. Now, I want to walk you through my thesis, which is born out of the fact that I'm no more a gold bug than I was a silver bug, a hydrocarbon bug, a platinum bug, or any other insect. It's just that this is my belief, and you can take it for whatever it's worth. On slide 9, I think it's very clear now that gold is here to stay. It has been revitalized as an asset class. I'm not going to spend too much time on the things that make it attractive.
A lot had changed since the early 2000s. My thesis had changed, but I really didn't think it was prudent for me to say that publicly. It was already enough when gold was at $1,280 to say I see it going from $3,000 to 5,000.
Speaker #3: And my thesis had changed. But I really didn't think it was prudent for me to say that publicly. It was already enough when gold was at 1,280 dollars to say I see it going from 3 to 5 thousand.
Now, I want to walk you through my thesis, which is born out of the fact that I'm no more a gold bug than I was a silver bug, a hydrocarbon bug, a platinum bug, or any other insect. It's just that this is my belief, and you can take it for whatever it's worth. On slide 9, I think it's very clear now that gold is here to stay. It has been revitalized as an asset class. I'm not going to spend too much time on the things that make it attractive.
Speaker #3: But now I want to walk you through my thesis. Which is born out of the fact that I'm no more a gold bug than I was a silver bug.
Speaker #3: A hydrocarbon bug, a platinum bug, or any other insect. It's just that this is my belief. And you can take it for whatever it's worth.
Speaker #3: On slide nine, I think it's very clear now that gold is here to stay. It has been revitalized as an asset class. I'm not going to spend too much time on the things that make it attractive.
Speaker #3: Gold has been thriving whether you have inflation fears, deflation fears, whether you require a safe haven or you don't. The gold industry itself has dwindling discovery rates or grades.
Operator: Gold has been thriving, whether you have inflation fears, deflation fears, whether you require a safe haven or you don't. The gold industry itself has dwindling discovery rates. Ore grades are now plunging to below a gram. Central banks have been buying. I've said for years the central banks are not dumb money. They actually know better the lack of credibility of so much of the assets that they own on their balance sheet that by buying gold as an act of choice, an act of volition, they are doing as much as anyone to be able to show you that you should own it. And clearly, everyone who's been buying gold as a central banker, and they're not paid 2 and 20 to take bold decisions, is obviously looking like a genius.
Gold has been thriving, whether you have inflation fears, deflation fears, whether you require a safe haven or you don't. The gold industry itself has dwindling discovery rates. Ore grades are now plunging to below a gram. Central banks have been buying. I've said for years the central banks are not dumb money.
Speaker #3: Are now plunging to below a gram. Central buyers have been buying. I've said for years, the central banks are not dumb money. They actually know better—the lack of credibility of so much of the assets that they own on their balance sheet—that by buying gold as an act of choice, an act of volition, they are doing as much as anyone to be able to show you that you should own it. And clearly, everyone who's been buying gold as a central banker—and they're not paid 2 and 20 to take bold decisions—is obviously looking like a genius.
They actually know better the lack of credibility of so much of the assets that they own on their balance sheet that by buying gold as an act of choice, an act of volition, they are doing as much as anyone to be able to show you that you should own it. And clearly, everyone who's been buying gold as a central banker, and they're not paid 2 and 20 to take bold decisions, is obviously looking like a genius.
Speaker #3: That also goes with the other aspect that I’ve always said since gold was at $500, which is whenever the Indians and the Chinese are competing over a scarce asset, you must want to own it.
Operator: That also goes with the other aspect that I've always said since gold was at $500, which is whenever the Indians and the Chinese are competing over a scarce asset, you must want to own it. So you have Chinese and Indian demand. You have central bank demand. And you now have new investors who are coming in to compete with the official sector. This environment is perfect. I should add that I never used to resort to talking about the fear factors in pushing for why people should own gold. I spoke about economics 101, supply and demand, why one wants to have a money that can't be debased by fiat, a lot of good logical factors. But I didn't go into the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse or any of the things that sometimes people veer into when they talk about gold.
That also goes with the other aspect that I've always said since gold was at $500, which is whenever the Indians and the Chinese are competing over a scarce asset, you must want to own it. So you have Chinese and Indian demand. You have central bank demand. And you now have new investors who are coming in to compete with the official sector.
Speaker #3: So you have Chinese and Indian demand, you have central bank demand, and you now have new investors who are coming in to compete with the official sector.
This environment is perfect. I should add that I never used to resort to talking about the fear factors in pushing for why people should own gold. I spoke about economics 101, supply and demand, why one wants to have a money that can't be debased by fiat, a lot of good logical factors. But I didn't go into the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse or any of the things that sometimes people veer into when they talk about gold.
Speaker #3: This environment is perfect. I should add that I never used to resort to talking about the fear factors. In pushing for why people should own gold, I spoke about economics 101, supply and demand.
Speaker #3: Why would one want to have a money that can't be debased by fiat? There are a lot of good logical factors. But I didn't go into the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Speaker #3: Or any of the things that sometimes people veer into when they talk about gold. However, after 2022, and the combination both of the real displacement in the world order with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the displacement of the financial order with the freezing of Russian assets, outside of Russia, that really was a game changer.
Operator: However, after 2022 and the combination both of the real displacement in the world order with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the displacement of the financial order with the freezing of Russian assets outside of Russia, that really was a game changer. It was a game changer for a lot of central banks. It was a game changer for a lot of investors who want to preserve their capital, both as a safe haven and also because gold is something that when you own it, it doesn't represent someone else's liability to repay you. So all of these things which seemed a little bit esoteric, all of a sudden came into sharp relief. And you see gold taking off. Well, I do believe this is the early stage of a complete revaluation. On slide 10, this is where I believe we're going to see gold going.
However, after 2022 and the combination both of the real displacement in the world order with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the displacement of the financial order with the freezing of Russian assets outside of Russia, that really was a game changer. It was a game changer for a lot of central banks.
Speaker #3: It was a game changer for a lot of central banks. It was a game changer for a lot of investors who want to preserve their capital.
It was a game changer for a lot of investors who want to preserve their capital, both as a safe haven and also because gold is something that when you own it, it doesn't represent someone else's liability to repay you. So all of these things which seemed a little bit esoteric, all of a sudden came into sharp relief. And you see gold taking off. Well, I do believe this is the early stage of a complete revaluation. On slide 10, this is where I believe we're going to see gold going.
Speaker #3: Both as a safe haven, and also because gold is something that when you own it, it doesn't represent someone else's liability to repay you.
Speaker #3: So, all of these things which seemed a little bit esoteric all of a sudden came into sharp relief, and you see gold taking off.
Speaker #3: Well, I do believe this is the early stage of a complete revaluation. On slide 10, this is where I believe we're going to see gold going.
Speaker #3: Now, that chart is a chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Average since 1975. Here's what happened in the Dow. Up until about 1980, essentially for 30 years, the Dow was in a trading range.
Operator: Now, that chart is a chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Average since 1975. Here's what happened in the Dow. Up until about 1980, essentially for 30 years, the Dow was in a trading range. And if it came to 1,000 or peaked above it, smart people said, "Well, sell it. It's at the top of the trading range." And that worked for a while. The problem is that reversals essentially mean that at some point, you can actually say, "This time it's different." Otherwise, it's not a reversal. So normally when people hear, "This time it's different," they think, "Aha, well, that's a bubble about to burst." Very often it is, but sometimes it's just representing new facts. And this is what happened with the Dow. I happen to remember I was working for someone in London in 1987 while I was doing my PhD.
Now, that chart is a chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Average since 1975. Here's what happened in the Dow. Up until about 1980, essentially for 30 years, the Dow was in a trading range. And if it came to 1,000 or peaked above it, smart people said, "Well, sell it. It's at the top of the trading range." And that worked for a while.
Speaker #3: And if it came to 1,000 or peaked above it, smart people said, well, sell it. It's at the top of the trading range. And that worked.
Speaker #3: For a while, the problem is that reversals essentially mean that, at some point, you can actually say, 'this time, it's different.' Otherwise, it's not a reversal.
The problem is that reversals essentially mean that at some point, you can actually say, "This time it's different." Otherwise, it's not a reversal. So normally when people hear, "This time it's different," they think, "Aha, well, that's a bubble about to burst." Very often it is, but sometimes it's just representing new facts. And this is what happened with the Dow. I happen to remember I was working for someone in London in 1987 while I was doing my PhD.
Speaker #3: So, normally, when people hear 'this time it's different,' they think, uh-huh, well, that's a bubble about to burst. Very often, it is. But sometimes it's just representing new facts.
Speaker #3: And this is what happened with the Dow. Now, I happen to remember I was working for someone in London in 1987 while I was doing my PhD.
Speaker #3: And I remember the crash of '87. I'd like you to try to see if you can see it on this chart. A crash which took the Dow down from the 2,000s to, I think, 1,600 or 1,700.
Operator: I remember the crash of 1987. I'd like you to try to see if you can see it on this chart. A crash which took the Dow down from the 2000s to, I think, 1,600, 1,700. It seemed like the sky was falling in. You cannot see it. It was a downdraft, essentially, in the passage of time meant to wipe out weak hands as it started to make its climb to 45,000. I don't know whether gold needs an 1987 moment. If it happens, you just have to buy it and buy it and buy it. It could be brief. It could be short. And it may not even happen at all because the reality is that the fundamentals for gold are so strong and literally get reinforced almost with every tweet.
I remember the crash of 1987. I'd like you to try to see if you can see it on this chart. A crash which took the Dow down from the 2000s to, I think, 1,600, 1,700. It seemed like the sky was falling in. You cannot see it.
Speaker #3: It seemed like the sky was falling in. You cannot see it. It was a downdraft, essentially, in the passage of time, meant to wipe out weak hands.
It was a downdraft, essentially, in the passage of time meant to wipe out weak hands as it started to make its climb to 45,000. I don't know whether gold needs an 1987 moment. If it happens, you just have to buy it and buy it and buy it. It could be brief. It could be short. And it may not even happen at all because the reality is that the fundamentals for gold are so strong and literally get reinforced almost with every tweet.
Speaker #3: As it started to make its climb to $45,000. I don't know whether gold needs an '87 moment. If it happens, you just have to buy it, and buy it, and buy it.
Speaker #3: It could be brief. It could be short. And it may not even happen at all. Because the reality is that the fundamentals for gold are so strong.
Speaker #3: And literally get reinforced almost with every tweet. It is reinforced on a weekly, if not daily, basis, why everyone should have gold in their portfolio.
Operator: It is reinforced on a weekly, if not daily basis why everyone should have gold in their portfolio. The problem is there really isn't enough gold to go around except at much, much higher equilibrium prices. So with the $3,000 to 5,000 area having been met, by the way, people sometimes say, "Why 3 to 5?" I say, "Because it could go to 5 and then correct down to 3 before going past 5 to 2 or 20." In any event, I'd like to cite Ray Dalio, who is someone that I deeply, deeply respect. Ray is extraordinary. And if there's a public service announcement, read his books. He's the best, what I would say, market-related applied historian in the world today.
It is reinforced on a weekly, if not daily basis why everyone should have gold in their portfolio. The problem is there really isn't enough gold to go around except at much, much higher equilibrium prices. So with the $3,000 to 5,000 area having been met, by the way, people sometimes say, "Why 3 to 5?" I say, "Because it could go to 5 and then correct down to 3 before going past 5 to 2 or 20."
Speaker #3: The problem is there really isn't enough gold to go around, except at much, much higher equilibrium prices. So with the $3,000 to $5,000 area having been met—by the way, people sometimes say, why three to five?
Speaker #3: I say because it could go to five. And then correct down to three. Before going past five, to. Or 20. In any event, I'd like to cite Ray Dalio, who is someone that I deeply, deeply respect.
In any event, I'd like to cite Ray Dalio, who is someone that I deeply, deeply respect. Ray is extraordinary. And if there's a public service announcement, read his books. He's the best, what I would say, market-related applied historian in the world today.
Speaker #3: Ray is extraordinary. And if there's a public service announcement, read his books. He's the best—what I would say—market-related applied historian in the world today.
Speaker #3: So at a certain point, not long ago, Ray said gold is now the second largest reserve currency behind the US dollar. To understand why, you need to look at the history of fiat currencies like the dollar and hard currencies like gold.
Operator: So at a certain point, not long ago, Ray said, "Gold is now the second largest reserve currency behind the US dollar." To understand why, you need to look at the history of fiat currencies like the dollar and hard currencies like gold. The way I see it, we're currently facing a classic currency devaluation similar to what we saw in the 1970s or in the 1930s. In both of those cases, fiat currencies around the world all went down together and also went down in relationship to hard currencies like gold. Up until about a year or two ago, for decades, when people asked me which currencies should I own, I said, "Own the US dollar because although I do believe that all paper currencies are toilet tissue, the US dollar is double ply. It has factors that make it better than its other paper currency comparables.
So at a certain point, not long ago, Ray said, "Gold is now the second largest reserve currency behind the US dollar." To understand why, you need to look at the history of fiat currencies like the dollar and hard currencies like gold. The way I see it, we're currently facing a classic currency devaluation similar to what we saw in the 1970s or in the 1930s.
Speaker #3: The way I see it, we're currently facing a classic currency devaluation, similar to what we saw in the 1970s or in the 1930s. In both of those cases, fiat currencies around the world all went down together.
In both of those cases, fiat currencies around the world all went down together and also went down in relationship to hard currencies like gold. Up until about a year or two ago, for decades, when people asked me which currencies should I own, I said, "Own the US dollar because although I do believe that all paper currencies are toilet tissue, the US dollar is double ply. It has factors that make it better than its other paper currency comparables.
Speaker #3: And also went down in relationship to hard currencies like gold. Up until about a year or two ago—for decades—when people asked me which currencies should I own, I said own the US dollar.
Speaker #3: Because, although I do believe that all paper currencies are toilet tissue, the US dollar is double-ply. It has factors that make it better than its other paper currency comparables.
Speaker #3: Not that I believe in it. But if you need a paper currency, the dollar. Of course, there's always room for the Swiss franc and a couple of other esoteric things.
Operator: Not that I believe in it, but if you need a paper currency, the dollar. Of course, there's always room for the Swiss franc and a couple of other esoteric things, but you get the idea. The dollar and gold." And I said, "For me, it's all about gold, not the dollar. But for most investors, they can't be as all-in as a private investor like myself." Suffice to say that the US is doing everything it can to debase the cornerstones of its being, not just first among equals, but the superpower. Those chickens will come home to roost, and I'm sorry to see it. The United States obviously has factors that make it unique. It has the ability to project power all over the world in a way that, until the Chinese catch up, is unique to itself.
Not that I believe in it, but if you need a paper currency, the dollar. Of course, there's always room for the Swiss franc and a couple of other esoteric things, but you get the idea. The dollar and gold." And I said, "For me, it's all about gold, not the dollar. But for most investors, they can't be as all-in as a private investor like myself."
Speaker #3: But you get the idea: the dollar and gold. And I said, for me, it's all about gold, not the dollar. But for most investors, you know, they can't be as all in as a private investor like myself.
Suffice to say that the US is doing everything it can to debase the cornerstones of its being, not just first among equals, but the superpower. Those chickens will come home to roost, and I'm sorry to see it. The United States obviously has factors that make it unique. It has the ability to project power all over the world in a way that, until the Chinese catch up, is unique to itself.
Speaker #3: Suffice to say that the US is doing everything it can to debase the cornerstones of its being not just first among equals, but the superpower.
Speaker #3: Those chickens will come home to roost, and I'm sorry to see it. The United States obviously has factors that make it unique. It has the ability to project power.
Speaker #3: All over the world, in a way that until the Chinese catch up, is unique to itself. Well, it had a multilateral alliance system that the Chinese could not compete with.
Operator: Well, it had a multilateral alliance system that the Chinese could not compete with and therefore was, quote, "the boss." In return for this leadership, people were willing to buy the dollar despite America's bipartisan commitment to spending so much more money than it has. They were willing to go along with the convenient fiction, which is to say, "If you defend us, you are the economic superpower, and that's a trade we're willing to make." It was a trade-off. Well, we are starting to witness shifts in that, which I'm not saying are going to immediately displace the dollar, but for a variety of reasons, you will see not only adversaries now, but friends look to be able to have more financial autonomy.
Well, it had a multilateral alliance system that the Chinese could not compete with and therefore was, quote, "the boss." In return for this leadership, people were willing to buy the dollar despite America's bipartisan commitment to spending so much more money than it has. They were willing to go along with the convenient fiction, which is to say, "If you defend us, you are the economic superpower, and that's a trade we're willing to make." It was a trade-off.
Speaker #3: And therefore, was, quote, the boss. And in return, for this leadership, people were willing to buy the dollar despite America's bipartisan commitment to spending so much more money than it has.
Speaker #3: And they were willing to go along with the convenient fiction, which is to say, if you defend us, you are the economic superpower. And that's a trade we're willing to make.
Speaker #3: It was a trade-off. Well, we are starting to
Well, we are starting to witness shifts in that, which I'm not saying are going to immediately displace the dollar, but for a variety of reasons, you will see not only adversaries now, but friends look to be able to have more financial autonomy.
Speaker #1: To witness shifts in that, which I'm not saying are going to immediately displace the dollar. But for a variety of reasons, immediately displaced the dollar.
Speaker #1: But for a variety of reasons, you will see not only adversaries now, but friends look to be able to have more financial autonomy.
Operator: One thing, however, I do have to say for those who are buying gold because they think that the dollar will weaken, that's not necessarily true. I remember when I sold my energy company, we got a lot of money. I remember saying George Soros once said that the existential decision for any investors is in which currency to denominate themselves. I chose gold, but also I had other paper currencies. The dollar euro at that time in November of 2007 was about 147. The dollar has strengthened to 115, let's say, and gold has gone from $600 to nearly $5,000. In other words, you do not need a weaker dollar to buy gold. Does it help? Yes. But those who shuck off that mythology will do a lot better. I knew that the gold and the dollar could go up in tandem.
One thing, however, I do have to say for those who are buying gold because they think that the dollar will weaken, that's not necessarily true. I remember when I sold my energy company, we got a lot of money. I remember saying George Soros once said that the existential decision for any investors is in which currency to denominate themselves. I chose gold, but also I had other paper currencies.
Speaker #1: One thing , however , have to I do say , for those who are buying gold because they think that the dollar will weaken , that's not necessarily true .
Speaker #1: I remember when I sold my energy company, we got a lot of money, and I remember saying, George Soros once said that the existential decision for any investor is in which currency to denominate themselves.
Speaker #1: I chose gold , but also I had other paper currencies . The dollar euro at that time . In November of 2007 was about 147 .
The dollar euro at that time in November of 2007 was about 147. The dollar has strengthened to 115, let's say, and gold has gone from $600 to nearly $5,000. In other words, you do not need a weaker dollar to buy gold. Does it help? Yes. But those who shuck off that mythology will do a lot better. I knew that the gold and the dollar could go up in tandem.
Speaker #1: The dollar has strengthened to 115 . Let's say , and gold has gone from 600 to nearly 5000 . In other words , you do not need a weaker dollar to buy gold .
Speaker #1: Does it help ? Yes . But those who shuck off that mythology will do a lot better . I knew that the gold and the dollar could go up in tandem .
Operator: So really, when you're looking at that analysis, don't make that the central pivot, in my opinion. If it helps the analysis, no problem. But there are a lot of myths about gold which have been dispelled that now people really do understand. You didn't need strong oil. When I sold my energy company, oil was at $120 a barrel. It's half of that. Gold was at $600. There are a lot of myths. The point is this is a bull market, and you're going to play it if you're not in it, and you're going to be increasing your allocation as other people come into it for the first time. The mining equities are tremendously undervalued. And the reason for that is after so many years of dismissing gold as a barbarous relic, people almost can't believe what they're seeing.
So really, when you're looking at that analysis, don't make that the central pivot, in my opinion. If it helps the analysis, no problem. But there are a lot of myths about gold which have been dispelled that now people really do understand. You didn't need strong oil. When I sold my energy company, oil was at $120 a barrel. It's half of that. Gold was at $600.
Speaker #1: So really , when you're looking at that analysis , don't make that the central pivot in my opinion , if it helps the analysis .
Speaker #1: No problem. But there are a lot of myths about gold which have been dispelled, so now people really do understand you didn't need strong oil.
Speaker #1: When I sold my energy company, oil was at $120 a barrel. It’s half of that. Gold was at $600. There are a lot of myths.
There are a lot of myths. The point is this is a bull market, and you're going to play it if you're not in it, and you're going to be increasing your allocation as other people come into it for the first time. The mining equities are tremendously undervalued. And the reason for that is after so many years of dismissing gold as a barbarous relic, people almost can't believe what they're seeing.
Speaker #1: The point is, this is a bull market, and you're going to play it if you're not in it, and you're going to be increasing your allocation as other people come into it.
Speaker #1: For the first time , the mining equities are tremendously . And the reason for undervalued that is , after so many years dismissing of gold as a barbarous relic , people almost can't believe what they're seeing .
Operator: They can't believe it's gold really going to be 3,000, 4,000, 5,000. Well, if it is, the gold miners are truly, truly value players. Something to consider. If I move to slide 11, very simply put, if you look back over 25 years, which is not unreasonable since the turn of the century, gold has done a brilliant job as an asset class. As we know that people do like to look back, I think investors are going to be encouraged more and more to have gold in their portfolio as portfolio diversifiers, not to mention the other myriad factors for owning gold in today's world. Slide 12. So this for me has been one of the great reasons why I love Donlin. The leverage to gold, the leverage to what we see as 45 million ounces now in all resources with the potential for that to multiply along strike.
They can't believe it's gold really going to be 3,000, 4,000, 5,000. Well, if it is, the gold miners are truly, truly value players. Something to consider. If I move to slide 11, very simply put, if you look back over 25 years, which is not unreasonable since the turn of the century, gold has done a brilliant job as an asset class.
Speaker #1: They can't believe it's gold . to Really going be 3000 , 4000 , 5000 . Well , if it is the gold miners are truly , truly value plays something to consider .
Speaker #1: If I move to slide 11, very simply put, if you look back over 25 years, which is not unreasonable since the turn of the century, gold has done a brilliant job as an asset class.
As we know that people do like to look back, I think investors are going to be encouraged more and more to have gold in their portfolio as portfolio diversifiers, not to mention the other myriad factors for owning gold in today's world. Slide 12. So this for me has been one of the great reasons why I love Donlin. The leverage to gold, the leverage to what we see as 45 million ounces now in all resources with the potential for that to multiply along strike.
Speaker #1: As we know that people do like to look . Back . I think people are . Investors are going to be encouraged more and more to have gold in their portfolio as portfolio diversifiers , not to mention the other myriad factors for owning gold in today's world .
Speaker #1: Slide 12. So for me, this has been one of the great reasons why I love Donlin—the leverage to gold, the leverage to what we see as 45,000,000 ounces.
Speaker #1: Now , in all resources with the potential for that to multiply along strike . You know , the 45,000,000oz is only three kilometres of an eight kilometer mineralized belt , which itself is only 5% of the land package , 95% of Donlin is unexplored .
Operator: The 45 million ounces is only 3 kilometers of an 8-kilometer mineralized belt, which itself is only 5% of the land package. 95% of Donlin is unexplored. That's going to turn around. We are now, for the first time, systematically going through our land package. We believe that it is possible, although this is a wildly forward-looking statement, that the next Donlin could be a Donlin. The chances that there's nothing else big there are very small. Having said that, even if nothing else was there, we do believe that we can see the existing resource multiply. But assuming none of that happens, this is the leverage that we have to gold. And it shows NPV 5s, which are perfectly fine, and it also shows NPV 0s. And the reason why I say that is because up until the early 1990s, US assets were valued at a 0% discount rate.
The 45 million ounces is only 3 kilometers of an 8-kilometer mineralized belt, which itself is only 5% of the land package. 95% of Donlin is unexplored. That's going to turn around. We are now, for the first time, systematically going through our land package. We believe that it is possible, although this is a wildly forward-looking statement, that the next Donlin could be a Donlin.
Speaker #1: That's going to turn around . We are now , for the first time , systematically going through our land package . We believe that it is possible , although this is a wildly forward looking statement , that the next one could be at Donlin , the chances nothing else that there's big there are very small .
The chances that there's nothing else big there are very small. Having said that, even if nothing else was there, we do believe that we can see the existing resource multiply. But assuming none of that happens, this is the leverage that we have to gold. And it shows NPV 5s, which are perfectly fine, and it also shows NPV 0s. And the reason why I say that is because up until the early 1990s, US assets were valued at a 0% discount rate.
Speaker #1: Having said that , even if nothing else was there , we do believe that we can see the existing resource . multiply But assuming never none of happens .
Speaker #1: This is the that leverage that we have to gold , and it shows NPV fives , which are perfectly fine . And it also shows NPV zeros .
Speaker #1: And the reason why I say that is because up until the early 1990s . US assets were valued at a 0% discount rate .
Operator: I believe we're going to get back to that. If you have the right jurisdiction and you have exploration potential and you have so many of the other attributes that Greg will be describing in just a couple of minutes, I really do believe that we will be closer to the right of the right-hand side. But be that as it may, you can clearly see that the beauty of Donlin is that it gives you all the leverage you could possibly want to gold, but in a jurisdiction that will allow you to keep it. At Donlin, you can sleep well at night and be exposed to tremendous good news while being short jurisdiction risk. And so with that, I'm going to hand the baton over to Peter Adamek to talk about our financial results. Thank you. Thank you, Tom.
I believe we're going to get back to that. If you have the right jurisdiction and you have exploration potential and you have so many of the other attributes that Greg will be describing in just a couple of minutes, I really do believe that we will be closer to the right of the right-hand side.
Speaker #1: I believe we're going to get back to that . If you have . The right jurisdiction and you have exploration potential and you have so many of the other attributes that Greg will be describing in just a couple of minutes really do , I believe that we will be closer to the right of the right hand side , but be that as it may , you can clearly see that the beauty of Donlin is that it gives you all the leverage you could possibly want to gold , but in a jurisdiction that will allow you to keep it at Donlin , you can well at sleep night and be exposed to tremendous good news while being short jurisdiction risk .
But be that as it may, you can clearly see that the beauty of Donlin is that it gives you all the leverage you could possibly want to gold, but in a jurisdiction that will allow you to keep it. At Donlin, you can sleep well at night and be exposed to tremendous good news while being short jurisdiction risk. And so with that, I'm going to hand the baton over to Peter Adamek to talk about our financial results. Thank you.
Speaker #1: And so with that, I'm going to hand the baton over to Peter Adamek to talk about our financial results. Thank you.
Peter Adamek: Thank you, Tom. Turning to our operating performance on slide 14, NovaGold reported a fiscal 2025 fourth quarter net loss of $15.6 million. This represents an increase of $4.7 million from the comparable prior year, primarily due to higher site activity at Donlin Gold and higher general and administrative expenses. NovaGold's fourth quarter results also reflect the company's second consecutive quarter with a 60% interest in Donlin Gold.
Operator: Turning to our operating performance on slide 14, NovaGold reported a fiscal 2025 fourth quarter net loss of $15.6 million. This represents an increase of $4.7 million from the comparable prior year, primarily due to higher site activity at Donlin Gold and higher general and administrative expenses. NovaGold's fourth quarter results also reflect the company's second consecutive quarter with a 60% interest in Donlin Gold. For the full year, NovaGold reported a net loss of $94.7 million during fiscal 2025, which included a $39.6 million non-cash, non-recurring charge for warrants issued as consideration for a backstop commitment in support of the Donlin Gold transaction. Excluding this one-time charge, general and administrative expenses during the fiscal 2025 were largely unchanged from prior year, while Donlin Gold expenditures were $9 million higher due to the 2025 field program.
Speaker #2: Thank you , Tom . Turning operating to our performance on slide 14 , Nova gold reported a fiscal 2025 fourth quarter net loss of $15.6 million .
Speaker #2: This represents an increase of $4.7 million from the comparable prior year, primarily due to higher site activity at Donlin Gold and higher general and administrative expenses.
Speaker #2: Nova Gold's fourth quarter results also reflect the company's second consecutive quarter , with a 60% interest in Donlin Gold for the full year , Nova Gold reported a net loss of 94.7 million during fiscal 2025 , which included a $39.6 million non-cash , non-recurring charge for warrants issued as consideration for a backstop commitment in support of the Donlin Gold transaction .
For the full year, NovaGold reported a net loss of $94.7 million during fiscal 2025, which included a $39.6 million non-cash, non-recurring charge for warrants issued as consideration for a backstop commitment in support of the Donlin Gold transaction. Excluding this one-time charge, general and administrative expenses during the fiscal 2025 were largely unchanged from prior year, while Donlin Gold expenditures were $9 million higher due to the 2025 field program.
Speaker #2: Excluding this one time charge , general and administrative expenses during the fiscal 2025 were largely unchanged from prior year , while Donlin Gold expenditures were a nine were $9 million higher due to the 2025 field program .
Operator: On slide 15, our treasury during fiscal 2025 increased by $13.9 million, which left us with $115.1 million at the end of the year. During the year, we closed a public offering and a private placement generating net proceeds of $259.6 million. We also acquired an additional 10% of Donlin Gold for consideration and transaction costs totaling $210.1 million at the start of Q3 2025. Corporate G&A cash spend during the year increased by $1 million versus prior year, and our share of Donlin Gold funding increased by $10.1 million due to increased site activity in 2025 and the company's 10% increased Donlin Gold funding obligation. Moving to slide 16, as discussed on the previous slide, our treasury sits at a robust $115.1 million at the end of Q4 fiscal 2025.
On slide 15, our treasury during fiscal 2025 increased by $13.9 million, which left us with $115.1 million at the end of the year. During the year, we closed a public offering and a private placement generating net proceeds of $259.6 million. We also acquired an additional 10% of Donlin Gold for consideration and transaction costs totaling $210.1 million at the start of Q3 2025.
Speaker #2: On slide 15 , our Treasury , during fiscal 2025 increased by $13.9 million , which left us with $115.1 million at the end of the year .
Speaker #2: During the year , we closed a public offering and a private placement generating net proceeds of $259.6 million . We also acquired an additional 10% of Donlin gold for consideration and transaction costs , totaling $210.1 million .
Speaker #2: At the start of the third quarter of 2025 , corporate G&A cash spend during the year increased by 1 million versus prior year , and our share of Donlin Gold funding increased by 10.1 million due to increased site activity in 2025 and the company's 10% increase .
Corporate G&A cash spend during the year increased by $1 million versus prior year, and our share of Donlin Gold funding increased by $10.1 million due to increased site activity in 2025 and the company's 10% increased Donlin Gold funding obligation. Moving to slide 16, as discussed on the previous slide, our treasury sits at a robust $115.1 million at the end of Q4 fiscal 2025.
Speaker #2: Donlin Gold funding obligation. Moving to slide 16. As discussed on the previous slide, our treasury sits at a robust $115.1 million at the end of the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025.
Operator: Our 2025 cash expenditures of $41.2 million were below our overall 2025 guidance by $0.8 million due to slightly lower than anticipated spending at Donlin Gold and marginally higher G&A costs at NOVAGOLD as a result of higher professional fees following the closing of the Donlin Gold transaction. Looking ahead to 2026, our anticipated expenditures for 2026 are approximately $98.5 million, which include $78.8 million for NOVAGOLD's 60% of Donlin Gold expenditures and $19.7 million for corporate G&A. With that, I will now turn the presentation over to Greg. 2025 was a very active year at the Donlin site. We completed an 18,000m drill program. Throughout this program, the safety record was impeccable, and we hired over 80% of our employees from villages in and around the Donlin mine site.
Our 2025 cash expenditures of $41.2 million were below our overall 2025 guidance by $0.8 million due to slightly lower than anticipated spending at Donlin Gold and marginally higher G&A costs at NOVAGOLD as a result of higher professional fees following the closing of the Donlin Gold transaction.
Speaker #2: Our 2025 cash expenditures of $41.2 million were below our overall 2025 guidance by $0.8 million , due to slightly lower than anticipated spending on debt spending at Donlin Gold and marginally higher G&A costs at Nova Gold .
Speaker #2: As a result of professional higher fees following the closing of the Gold Donlin transaction . Looking ahead to 2026 , our anticipated expenditures for 2026 are approximately $98.5 million , which include 78.8 million for Nova Gold's 60% of Donlin gold expenditures and $19.7 million for corporate G&A .
Looking ahead to 2026, our anticipated expenditures for 2026 are approximately $98.5 million, which include $78.8 million for NOVAGOLD's 60% of Donlin Gold expenditures and $19.7 million for corporate G&A. With that, I will now turn the presentation over to Greg.
Greg Lang: 2025 was a very active year at the Donlin site. We completed an 18,000m drill program. Throughout this program, the safety record was impeccable, and we hired over 80% of our employees from villages in and around the Donlin mine site.
Speaker #2: With that, I will now turn the presentation over to Greg.
Speaker #3: 2025 was a very active year at the Donlin site . We completed an 18 zero zero zero meter drill program . Throughout this program , the safety record was impeccable and we hired over 80% of our employees from villages in and around the Donlin mine site .
Operator: The results from this program will be used to enhance our geologic modeling, resource conversion, and geotechnical drilling to support the designs of the project facilities. We recently updated our technical report for regulatory compliance pending the completion of the feasibility study. This report, more than anything else, really demonstrates the robust nature of the mineralization at Donlin. We're also very active in the communities this year. With the renewed progress at the site, it garnered a lot of interest. We hosted many community visits, regulatory visits, as well as additional analyst tours. So a very active year at the site. Our team in Alaska also finalized shared value statements with additional villages, bringing the total to 20. We completed a restoration program at Snow Gulch, and Enrique Fernandez, one of the Donlin employees, was recognized by his peers for his contributions to this undertaking.
The results from this program will be used to enhance our geologic modeling, resource conversion, and geotechnical drilling to support the designs of the project facilities. We recently updated our technical report for regulatory compliance pending the completion of the feasibility study. This report, more than anything else, really demonstrates the robust nature of the mineralization at Donlin. We're also very active in the communities this year.
Speaker #3: The results from this program will be used to enhance our geologic modeling resource conversion , and geotechnical drilling to support the designs of the project facilities .
Speaker #3: We recently updated our technical report for regulatory compliance pending the completion of the feasibility . This study report more than anything else , really demonstrates the robust nature of the mineralization at Donlin .
With the renewed progress at the site, it garnered a lot of interest. We hosted many community visits, regulatory visits, as well as additional analyst tours. So a very active year at the site. Our team in Alaska also finalized shared value statements with additional villages, bringing the total to 20. We completed a restoration program at Snow Gulch, and Enrique Fernandez, one of the Donlin employees, was recognized by his peers for his contributions to this undertaking.
Speaker #3: We're also very active in the communities this year, with the renewed progress at the site garnering a lot of interest. We hosted many community visits, regulatory visits, as well as additional analyst tours.
Speaker #3: So, a very active year at this site. Our team in Alaska also finalized shared value statements with additional villages, bringing the total to 20.
Speaker #3: And completed a restoration program at Snow Gulch and Henryk Fernandez , one of the Donlin employees , was recognized by his peers contributions to this undertaking .
Operator: Turning to the next slide, what I really want to highlight here is just remind everybody we have completed the federal permitting process, and we have substantially completed the state permitting. We're one of the few projects that is not relying on permitting, and the decisions impacting the timing are solely in the hands of the owners. As shown on slide 20, we continue to support the state and federal agencies in defending the permits they have issued. The court rulings to date have validated that the agencies did a thorough job preparing the environmental impact statements and the associated permits. We're continuing to advance the design of our tailings dam and other water retention structures. This work has been submitted to the regulatory agencies in Alaska, and we expect them to be responding in the near future.
Turning to the next slide, what I really want to highlight here is just remind everybody we have completed the federal permitting process, and we have substantially completed the state permitting. We're one of the few projects that is not relying on permitting, and the decisions impacting the timing are solely in the hands of the owners. As shown on slide 20, we continue to support the state and federal agencies in defending the permits they have issued.
Speaker #3: Turning to the next slide, what I really want to highlight here is just to remind everybody we have completed the federal permitting process, and we have substantially completed the state permitting.
Speaker #3: We're one of the few projects that is not relying on permitting . And the decisions impacting the timing are solely in the hands of the owners .
Speaker #3: As shown on slide 20, we continue to support the state and federal agencies in defending the permits they have issued. The court rulings to date have validated that the agencies did a thorough job preparing the environmental impact statements and the associated permits.
The court rulings to date have validated that the agencies did a thorough job preparing the environmental impact statements and the associated permits. We're continuing to advance the design of our tailings dam and other water retention structures. This work has been submitted to the regulatory agencies in Alaska, and we expect them to be responding in the near future.
Speaker #3: We're continuing to advance the design of our tailings dam and other water retention structures . This work has been submitted to the regulatory agency in Alaska , and we expect them responding in the near future .
Operator: Our federal permit, turning to the next slide, was remanded for a small additional study by the courts. This requires a supplemental EIS. During the permitting, we evaluated a tailings release, and the court asked that we study additional releases. This work is well advanced, and this supplemental EIS has been incorporated into the FAST-41 program. This is a program that creates schedules and deadlines for the agencies to follow in processing a permit. It doesn't change anything in our designs, but it just focuses the agencies on getting this work done in a timely fashion. My next few slides, we'll talk about why one might consider investing in NOVAGOLD. Donlin is, it is just simply a unique asset in terms of its production profile. It will average over a million ounces a year in a mine life of almost three decades.
Our federal permit, turning to the next slide, was remanded for a small additional study by the courts. This requires a supplemental EIS. During the permitting, we evaluated a tailings release, and the court asked that we study additional releases. This work is well advanced, and this supplemental EIS has been incorporated into the FAST-41 program. This is a program that creates schedules and deadlines for the agencies to follow in processing a permit.
Speaker #3: Our federal permit . Turning to the next slide was remanded for a small additional study by the courts . This requires a supplemental EIS during the permitting , we evaluated a tailings release and the court asked that we study additional releases .
Speaker #3: This work as well . Advanced , and this supplemental EIS has been incorporated into the fast 41 program . This is a program that creates schedules and deadlines for the agencies to follow in processing a permit .
It doesn't change anything in our designs, but it just focuses the agencies on getting this work done in a timely fashion. My next few slides, we'll talk about why one might consider investing in NOVAGOLD. Donlin is, it is just simply a unique asset in terms of its production profile. It will average over a million ounces a year in a mine life of almost three decades.
Speaker #3: It doesn't change anything in our designs, but it just focuses the agencies on getting this work done in a timely fashion. My next few slides will talk about why one might consider investing in NovaGold.
Speaker #3: Your Donlin, as you know, is just simply a unique asset in terms of its production profile. It will average over 1,000,000 ounces a year, with a life of mine of almost three decades.
Operator: There aren't many mines in the industry of this size anymore. At 40 million ounces, we've got a huge endowment at 2 and a quarter grams. Great grade for an open pit deposit. The exploration potential at Donlin is tremendous. We know the ore body is open-ended at strike, at depth, and along the 3 kilometers of the 8-kilometer gold-bearing system has only lightly been explored. When the time is right, we will resume exploration on the project. We also know that there's tremendous potential on our land holdings at Donlin. The area of the known mineralization represents about 5% of our land holdings there. Alaska is a great place to do business. They've got a well-established tradition of responsible mining and are the second largest gold-producing state in the US. Another great factor about Donlin, it is located on private land owned by two native corporations.
There aren't many mines in the industry of this size anymore. At 40 million ounces, we've got a huge endowment at 2 and a quarter grams. Great grade for an open pit deposit. The exploration potential at Donlin is tremendous. We know the ore body is open-ended at strike, at depth, and along the 3 kilometers of the 8-kilometer gold-bearing system has only lightly been explored. When the time is right, we will resume exploration on the project.
Speaker #3: There aren't many mines in the industry of this size anymore . At 40,000,000oz , we've got a huge endowment at two and a quarter grams , you know , great grade for an open pit deposit .
Speaker #3: You know , the exploration potential at Donlin is tremendous . We know the ore body is open ended at strike at depth and along the three kilometers of the eight kilometer gold bearing system has only lightly been explored when the time is right , we will resume exploration on the project .
We also know that there's tremendous potential on our land holdings at Donlin. The area of the known mineralization represents about 5% of our land holdings there. Alaska is a great place to do business. They've got a well-established tradition of responsible mining and are the second largest gold-producing state in the US. Another great factor about Donlin, it is located on private land owned by two native corporations.
Speaker #3: We also know that there's tremendous potential on our landholdings at Donlin . The area of the known mineralization about represents 5% of our landholdings .
Speaker #3: There . You . Alaska is a great place to do business . They've got a well established tradition of responsible mining , and are the second largest gold producing state in the US .
Speaker #3: Another great factor about Donlin: it is located on private land owned by two Native corporations. As I mentioned earlier, our permits are in hand, and we're wrapping up the state permitting.
Operator: As I mentioned earlier, our permits are in hand, and we're wrapping up the state permitting. We've maintained a great environmental and safety record at our site, and we're committed to responsible mining. The team at NOVAGOLD has the expertise it takes to bring a project like Donlin into fruition. Moving to the next slide, when you look at the other development projects that are being advanced in the industry, the output of them is less than a half million ounces a year. Clearly, Donlin would be far and away the largest new gold mine to be built. Its first 10 years will produce about 1.3 million ounces a year. Truly in a class of its own. Grade is also a very key attribute at Donlin. The industry grades are approaching a gram per ton. At 2 and a quarter grams, Donlin is twice that.
As I mentioned earlier, our permits are in hand, and we're wrapping up the state permitting. We've maintained a great environmental and safety record at our site, and we're committed to responsible mining. The team at NOVAGOLD has the expertise it takes to bring a project like Donlin into fruition.
Speaker #3: We've great maintained a environmental and safety record at our site , and we're committed to responsible mining . You know , the team at Nova Gold has the expertise it takes to bring a project like like into Donlin fruition .
Moving to the next slide, when you look at the other development projects that are being advanced in the industry, the output of them is less than a half million ounces a year. Clearly, Donlin would be far and away the largest new gold mine to be built. Its first 10 years will produce about 1.3 million ounces a year. Truly in a class of its own. Grade is also a very key attribute at Donlin. The industry grades are approaching a gram per ton. At 2 and a quarter grams, Donlin is twice that.
Speaker #3: Moving to the next slide , when you look at the other development projects that are being advanced in the industry , the output of them is less than a half million ounces a year .
Speaker #3: You know , clearly , Donlin would be far and away the largest new gold mine to be built . Its first ten years will produce about 1.3 million ounces a year .
Speaker #3: Truly, a class of its own. 'Great' is also a very key attribute at Donlin. The industry grades are approaching a gram per ton, at 2.25 g.
Operator: And it's that grade that gives Donlin very competitive cash costs. And this slide just highlights the potential along trend. The ACMA Lewis deposits are less than half of the 8-kilometer belt. We've got gold-bearing drill holes all up and down the trend, and we will resume exploration when the time is right. This year's drill program included results of over 26 grams per ton, demonstrating the quality of the resource and the potential for significant grades when we continue exploring. Moving to the next slide, we're up in Alaska. We've been there for many years. We're very comfortable operating in the state. It's got a great regulatory environment. There is a responsible, active mining industry in Alaska, and we're really privileged to be there. When you look at the jurisdictional risks of other mining jurisdictions, Alaska is third globally on the Fraser Institute Index.
And it's that grade that gives Donlin very competitive cash costs. And this slide just highlights the potential along trend. The ACMA Lewis deposits are less than half of the 8-kilometer belt. We've got gold-bearing drill holes all up and down the trend, and we will resume exploration when the time is right. This year's drill program included results of over 26 grams per ton, demonstrating the quality of the resource and the potential for significant grades when we continue exploring.
Speaker #3: Donlin is twice that, and it's that grade that gives Donlin very competitive cash costs. And this slide just highlights the potential of trend.
Speaker #3: The Acme and Louis deposits are less than half of the eight-kilometer belt. We've got gold-bearing drill holes all up and down.
Speaker #3: The trend, and we will resume exploration when the time is right. You know, this year's drill program included results of over 26 g per ton, demonstrating the quality of the resource and the potential for significant grades when we continue exploring.
Moving to the next slide, we're up in Alaska. We've been there for many years. We're very comfortable operating in the state. It's got a great regulatory environment. There is a responsible, active mining industry in Alaska, and we're really privileged to be there. When you look at the jurisdictional risks of other mining jurisdictions, Alaska is third globally on the Fraser Institute Index.
Speaker #3: Moving to the next slide , we're up in Alaska . We've been there for many years . We're very comfortable operating in the state .
Speaker #3: It's got a great regulatory environment. There is a responsible, active mining industry in Alaska, and we're really privileged to be there.
Speaker #3: When you look at the jurisdictional risks of other mining jurisdictions , Alaska is third globally on the Fraser Institute index . earlier mentioned As I .
Operator: As I mentioned earlier, we are on private land. Calista Corporation owns the mineral rights, and TKC owns the surface rights. Both of these entities have been staunch allies and advocates for the project as we navigated the permitting process. We have life-of-mine agreements in place with both of these entities. Donlin will provide a meaningful impact to these businesses, and they look forward to the economic opportunities that the mine will bring. Another development in Alaska that we're following very closely is the planning to bring gas down from the North Slope into the Cook Inlet. This is being championed by Glenfarne Group, and they are working to secure funding to advance this. Gas resources up in the North Slope have been known for many years, but the difficulty getting them to market was the challenge. With the administration's new focus on US.
As I mentioned earlier, we are on private land. Calista Corporation owns the mineral rights, and TKC owns the surface rights. Both of these entities have been staunch allies and advocates for the project as we navigated the permitting process. We have life-of-mine agreements in place with both of these entities. Donlin will provide a meaningful impact to these businesses, and they look forward to the economic opportunities that the mine will bring.
Speaker #3: Private are on land. We, Calista Corporation, own the mineral rights and TCWC owns the surface rights. Both of these entities have been staunch allies and advocates for the project.
Speaker #3: As we navigated the permitting process , we have life of mine agreements in place with both of these entities . Donlin will provide a meaningful impact to these businesses .
Speaker #3: And they look forward to the economic opportunities that will come with the mine. Another development in Alaska that we're following very closely is the planning to bring gas down from the North Slope into the Cook Inlet.
Another development in Alaska that we're following very closely is the planning to bring gas down from the North Slope into the Cook Inlet. This is being championed by Glenfarne Group, and they are working to secure funding to advance this. Gas resources up in the North Slope have been known for many years, but the difficulty getting them to market was the challenge. With the administration's new focus on US.
Speaker #3: This is being championed by Glenn Farm , and they are working to secure funding to advance this . You know , gas resources up in the North Slope have been known for many years .
Speaker #3: But it was the difficulty getting them to market was the challenge with the administration's new focus on US energy independence . I think the time is getting close to bring this gas into the Cook Inlet for use in Alaska , as well as the export markets .
Operator: Energy independence, I think the time is getting close to bring this gas into the Cook Inlet for use in Alaska, as well as the export markets. This is very important to us, and I think you might have noticed we have signed a non-binding letter of intent with Glenfarne, the champion of this pipeline project. The parties will advance discussions on a supply agreement with Glenfarne as their plans materialize to build the gas pipeline from the North Slope. NOVAGOLD enjoys strong institutional support. We've been very fortunate to have a shareholder base that's been with us many, many years. The top 10 shareholders represent almost 2/3 of our outstanding stock. It's great to have such blue-chip investors behind us. We value their support and long-term relationships that have guided us for many, many years.
Energy independence, I think the time is getting close to bring this gas into the Cook Inlet for use in Alaska, as well as the export markets. This is very important to us, and I think you might have noticed we have signed a non-binding letter of intent with Glenfarne, the champion of this pipeline project. The parties will advance discussions on a supply agreement with Glenfarne as their plans materialize to build the gas pipeline from the North Slope.
Speaker #3: This is very important to us, and I think you might have noticed, we have signed a non-binding letter of intent with Glenfarne, the champion of this pipeline project.
Speaker #3: The parties will advance discussions on the supply agreement with Glenfarne as their plans materialize to build the gas pipeline from the North Slope .
NOVAGOLD enjoys strong institutional support. We've been very fortunate to have a shareholder base that's been with us many, many years. The top 10 shareholders represent almost 2/3 of our outstanding stock. It's great to have such blue-chip investors behind us. We value their support and long-term relationships that have guided us for many, many years.
Speaker #3: Europa Gold enjoys strong institutional support. We've been very fortunate to have a shareholder base that's been with us many, many years.
Speaker #3: The top ten shareholders represent almost two thirds of our outstanding stock , and it's great to have such blue chip investors behind us .
Speaker #3: value We their support in the long term relationships that have guided us for many , many years . Turning to the next steps at the project and some of the catalysts that will be coming up , you know , within the next few weeks , we anticipate that we will announce an engineering firm complete the bankable feasibility study .
Operator: Turning to the next steps at the project and some of the catalysts that will be coming up. Within the next few weeks, we anticipate that we will announce an engineering firm to complete the bankable feasibility study. This work is expected to take about 18 months, and the firm will be certainly well known to many of you that follow the construction activities in the mining industry. We've also hired Frank Arques. He is the project manager. He brings extensive experience to the project, and we're very fortunate to have a man with his background. We will also be exploring future sources of financing as we advance the feasibility study. Looking ahead, we look forward to updating all of our shareholders and stakeholders on the progress we're making. We'll now open the line for questions. Thank you.
Turning to the next steps at the project and some of the catalysts that will be coming up. Within the next few weeks, we anticipate that we will announce an engineering firm to complete the bankable feasibility study. This work is expected to take about 18 months, and the firm will be certainly well known to many of you that follow the construction activities in the mining industry.
Speaker #3: is This expected to take about 18 months , and the firm will be certainly well known to many of you that follow the construction activities in the mining industry .
We've also hired Frank Arques. He is the project manager. He brings extensive experience to the project, and we're very fortunate to have a man with his background. We will also be exploring future sources of financing as we advance the feasibility study. Looking ahead, we look forward to updating all of our shareholders and stakeholders on the progress we're making. We'll now open the line for questions. Thank you.
Speaker #3: We've also hired Frank Akis . He is the project manager . He brings extensive experience to the project , and we're very fortunate to have a man with his background .
Speaker #3: We will also be exploring future sources of financing as we advance the feasibility study . Looking ahead , we look forward to updating all of our shareholders and stakeholders on the progress we're making .
Speaker #3: We'll now open the line for questions .
Operator: To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Webcast viewers may submit questions to the text box in the lower right corner of the webcast frame. The first question comes from Raj Ray with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Thank you, Operator, and good morning, Dr. Kaplan, Greg, and the NOVAGOLD team. I have three questions, if I may. The first one is, well, congratulations on getting the non-binding LOI signed with Glenfarne. I know it's early days of negotiations, but is there anything you can share with us with respect to what's the ideal structure of that agreement that NOVAGOLD would like to have? That's the first.
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Speaker #4: Webcast viewers may submit questions to the text box in the lower right corner of the webcast frame . This first question comes from Raj Ray with BMO Capital Markets .
Raj Ray: Thank you, Operator, and good morning, Dr. Kaplan, Greg, and the NOVAGOLD team. I have three questions, if I may. The first one is, well, congratulations on getting the non-binding LOI signed with Glenfarne. I know it's early days of negotiations, but is there anything you can share with us with respect to what's the ideal structure of that agreement that NOVAGOLD would like to have? That's the first.
Speaker #4: Please go ahead .
Speaker #5: Thank you . Operator . And good morning , Doctor Kaplan . Greg and the team . I have three questions , if I may .
Speaker #5: The first one is , well , congratulations on getting the the non-binding Loi signed with the Glenfarne . I know it's early days of negotiations , but is there anything you can share with us with respect to what's the ideal structure of that agreement that Novagold would like to have ?
Operator: The second question is on your RFP for the VFS that you have sent out to various engineering firms. Look, I know there's a lot of good engineering firms, but given the fact that commodity prices across the board are running, it's also important to have the best teams within those engineering firms. So as you are starting to talk to them, what's the feeling you're getting about the capacity they have and your ability to have not only the top firm, but also the best team within the firm? And my last question is on the technical report update. It's great to have that, very informative. I did see that there's a slight pickup in the strip ratio.
The second question is on your RFP for the VFS that you have sent out to various engineering firms. Look, I know there's a lot of good engineering firms, but given the fact that commodity prices across the board are running, it's also important to have the best teams within those engineering firms. So as you are starting to talk to them, what's the feeling you're getting about the capacity they have and your ability to have not only the top firm, but also the best team within the firm?
Speaker #5: second question The first . That's the was , is on your RFP for the BFS that you have sent out to various engineering firms , look , I know it's it's there's a lot of good engineering firms , but given the fact that commodity prices across the board are running , it's also important to have the best teams within those engineering firms as you are starting to talk to them .
Speaker #5: the the feeling What's you're capacity they have and your ability to have not only the top firm , but also the best team within the firm .
And my last question is on the technical report update. It's great to have that, very informative. I did see that there's a slight pickup in the strip ratio. I just wanted to get a sense whether some of the geotech drilling you have done, if that's informing that increase in strip ratio, or if you can share any additional details. Thank you.
Speaker #5: And but my last question is on on the technical report update . It's great to have that very informative . I did see that there's a slight pickup in the strip ratio .
Operator: I just wanted to get a sense whether some of the geotech drilling you have done, if that's informing that increase in strip ratio, or if you can share any additional details. Thank you. All right, Raj, well, thank you for joining the call this morning. I think I can cover all of your questions. Beginning with the pipeline and our discussions with Glenfarne, it's a clean slate. Glenfarne is quite interested in all aspects of what we're doing. They've expressed interest in building and operating the pipeline for us, and we think that's really a logical piece of the project to carve out. So we're really just, like I said, an open slate where discussions will continue. And I would watch Alaska for the next month or so and look for announcements on their success in financing the pipeline.
Speaker #5: I just wanted to get a sense whether some of the Geotech drilling new . You have done . If that's informing that increase in in ratio , or if you can share any additional details .
Thomas Kaplan: All right, Raj, well, thank you for joining the call this morning. I think I can cover all of your questions. Beginning with the pipeline and our discussions with Glenfarne, it's a clean slate. Glenfarne is quite interested in all aspects of what we're doing. They've expressed interest in building and operating the pipeline for us, and we think that's really a logical piece of the project to carve out. So we're really just, like I said, an open slate where discussions will continue. And I would watch Alaska for the next month or so and look for announcements on their success in financing the pipeline.
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Speaker #3: All right, Raj. Well, thank you for joining the call this morning. And I think we could cover all of your questions.
Speaker #3: You know , beginning with the pipeline and our discussions with it's a clean , Glenfarne is quite slate . Farm . You know You know , Glenn interested in all aspects of what we're doing .
Speaker #3: You know, they've expressed interest in building and operating the pipeline for us. And we think that's really a logical piece of the project to carve out.
Speaker #3: So we're really just , like I said , an open slate . We're discussions will continue . And I would watch Alaska for the next month or so and look for announcements on their success in financing the pipeline and it's important to note that , you know , this is not a new project , and it's already permitted .
Operator: And it's important to note that this is not a new project, and it's already permitted, and it will follow the existing Trans-Alaska Pipeline System. So very exciting developments there, and it's great that Donlin has a seat at the table as their plans advance. On the RFP for the feasibility study, we were very select in the firms that we brought into the bidding process. We only wanted to consider firms that had the experience to take on a project of this scale and the capacity of people to do it. And so we kept the field very narrow, and we anticipate releasing that news in the next few weeks. But I think part of the selection process addressed the very issue you talked about, and that was we went with the firm that did have the capacity to take on a big project.
And it's important to note that this is not a new project, and it's already permitted, and it will follow the existing Trans-Alaska Pipeline System. So very exciting developments there, and it's great that Donlin has a seat at the table as their plans advance. On the RFP for the feasibility study, we were very select in the firms that we brought into the bidding process.
Speaker #3: And it will follow the existing Trans-Alaska Oil Pipeline, so very exciting developments there. And it's great that Donlin has a seat at the table as their plans advance.
Speaker #3: You know , on the RFP for the feasibility study , you know , we were very select in the firms that we brought in the bidding process .
We only wanted to consider firms that had the experience to take on a project of this scale and the capacity of people to do it. And so we kept the field very narrow, and we anticipate releasing that news in the next few weeks. But I think part of the selection process addressed the very issue you talked about, and that was we went with the firm that did have the capacity to take on a big project.
Speaker #3: You know, we only wanted to consider firms that had, one, experience to take on a project of this scale, and two, the capacity of people to do it.
Speaker #3: And so we we kept the field very narrow . And , you know , we anticipate releasing that news in the next few weeks .
Speaker #3: But I think part of the selection process addressed the very issue you talked about. And that was, we went with the firm that did have the capacity to take on a big project.
Operator: And finally, on the technical report, the strip ratio has ticked up a bit, and that's driven by two factors. I think one, we've taken some areas of the pit, we've flattened the slopes a little bit, and we've also taken a little different view of dilution. And these are areas that we will revisit when we are advancing the model that will support the feasibility study. Raj, did that cover all of the questions? Yes, yes, that covers all my questions. Thank you very much, and all the best. Pleasure. Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Soundarya Iyer with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Hi, team. Congratulations on the quarter. I just have two questions. One is on the Bankable Feasibility Study.
And finally, on the technical report, the strip ratio has ticked up a bit, and that's driven by two factors. I think one, we've taken some areas of the pit, we've flattened the slopes a little bit, and we've also taken a little different view of dilution. And these are areas that we will revisit when we are advancing the model that will support the feasibility study. Raj, did that cover all of the questions?
Speaker #3: And finally, on the technical report, you know, the strip ratio has ticked up a bit, and that's driven by two factors.
Speaker #3: I think . One , we've taken a some areas of the pit , we've the slopes a little bit , and we've also taken a little different view of dilution .
Speaker #3: And you know, these are areas that we will revisit when we are advancing the model that will support the feasibility study.
Raj Ray: Yes, yes, that covers all my questions. Thank you very much, and all the best.
Speaker #5: That's great . Yes , yes , that covers all my questions . Thank you very much . And all the best .
Thomas Kaplan: Pleasure.
Operator: Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Soundarya Iyer with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Pleasure .
Speaker #4: Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Sandhya Iyer with Brawley Securities.
Soundarya Iyer: Hi, team. Congratulations on the quarter. I just have two questions. One is on the Bankable Feasibility Study. So I'm trying to understand how the current budget, the $78 million that has been budgeted for the upcoming Donlin activities, how is that allocated between feasibility work and the ongoing exploration? My actual question is, how do we look at it as a, do we look at it as a single-year budget, or is it through the feasibility study that's going to take 12 to 18 months?
Speaker #4: Please go ahead . Hi team . Congratulations on the quarter . My , I just have two questions . One is on the bankable feasibility study .
Operator: So I'm trying to understand how the current budget, the $78 million that has been budgeted for the upcoming Donlin activities, how is that allocated between feasibility work and the ongoing exploration? My actual question is, how do we look at it as a, do we look at it as a single-year budget, or is it through the feasibility study that's going to take 12 to 18 months? The work program at Donlin in 2026 will be very active. The Bankable Feasibility Study will obviously be a large component of that. In addition to the Bankable Feasibility Study, we're also in final discussions on firms on several unique parts of the project. For example, these would be the autoclaves. There's some companies out there with deep experience in this processing technology.
Speaker #4: So I'm trying to understand , like how the current budget that the $78 million that has been , you know , budgeted for the upcoming Donlin activities .
Speaker #4: How is that allocated between like feasibility work and the ongoing exploration ? I mean , my actual question is how do we look at it as a do we look at it as a single year budget , or is it like through the feasibility study that's going to take 12 to 18 months ?
Thomas Kaplan: The work program at Donlin in 2026 will be very active. The Bankable Feasibility Study will obviously be a large component of that. In addition to the Bankable Feasibility Study, we're also in final discussions on firms on several unique parts of the project. For example, these would be the autoclaves. There's some companies out there with deep experience in this processing technology.
Speaker #3: Well , the the work program at Donlin in 2026 will be very active . You know , the bankable feasibility study will obviously be a large component of that .
Speaker #3: You addition to know , in the bankable feasibility study , we're also in final discussions on firms on several unique parts of the project .
Speaker #3: For example , these would be the autoclaves . There's some companies out there with deep experience in this process , and technology . So we'll have a separate contract for that , as well as the gas pipeline and other components of the infrastructure .
Operator: So we'll have a separate contract for that, as well as the gas pipeline and other components of the infrastructure. Those are also included in the Donlin budget for next year. We continue to be very active in the communities, and we've increased our budget in the communities to reflect the increased activity as the project is moving forward. Of course, it's getting more and more interest. So we're going to really be out in the villages and throughout the state and in our nation's capital, actively talking up the project and keeping everybody informed of our plans. So that's the main components of the Donlin budget. The feasibility study we've guided will take about 18 months to complete, and once we announce the firm that we've selected, we'll update everybody on the schedule. Thank you. Just one more from me.
So we'll have a separate contract for that, as well as the gas pipeline and other components of the infrastructure. Those are also included in the Donlin budget for next year. We continue to be very active in the communities, and we've increased our budget in the communities to reflect the increased activity as the project is moving forward. Of course, it's getting more and more interest.
Speaker #3: Those are also included in the Donlin budget for next year. You know, we continue to be very active in the communities, and we've increased our budget in the communities to reflect the increased activity as the project is moving forward.
So we're going to really be out in the villages and throughout the state and in our nation's capital, actively talking up the project and keeping everybody informed of our plans. So that's the main components of the Donlin budget. The feasibility study we've guided will take about 18 months to complete, and once we announce the firm that we've selected, we'll update everybody on the schedule.
Speaker #3: Of course , it's getting more and more interest , so we're going to really be out in the villages and throughout the state and in our nation's capital , actively talking up the project and keeping everybody informed of our plans .
Speaker #3: So that's the main components of the Donlin budget . The feasibility study we've guided will take about 18 months to complete , and we'll be , you know , once we announce the firm that we've selected , will update everybody on the schedule .
Soundarya Iyer: Thank you. Just one more from me. I mean, there's a lot of potential in the Donlin land package with just like 5% explored so far. So as we move into feasibility and then eventual construction, how are you guys thinking about advancing that exploration optionality in the near term? Will that be a concurrent event along with the feasibility study?
Speaker #4: Thank you . Just one more from me . I mean , there's a lot of potential in the Donlin land package with just , like 5% explored so far .
Operator: I mean, there's a lot of potential in the Donlin land package with just like 5% explored so far. So as we move into feasibility and then eventual construction, how are you guys thinking about advancing that exploration optionality in the near term? Will that be a concurrent event along with the feasibility study? Last year, we did a pretty extensive soil sampling program along the known mineralized trend. And as I noted earlier, that's just a very small part of our land holdings at Donlin. So we will be working with our partner, developing plans for future exploration. But right now, really, it's all hands on deck getting the feasibility study kicked off. And once we get that work well underway, we'll turn our attention to the exploration and other matters. But certainly, the potential is vast at Donlin, and we look forward to updating everybody on that work.
Speaker #4: So as we move into feasibility and then eventual construction , like , how are you guys thinking about advancing that exploration optionality in the near term ?
Speaker #4: Will that concurrent be an event along with the feasibility study?
Thomas Kaplan: Last year, we did a pretty extensive soil sampling program along the known mineralized trend. And as I noted earlier, that's just a very small part of our land holdings at Donlin. So we will be working with our partner, developing plans for future exploration. But right now, really, it's all hands on deck getting the feasibility study kicked off.
Speaker #3: Well , we will , you year we did a know , last pretty extensive soil sampling program along the known mineralized trend . And as I noted earlier , that's just a very small part of our land holdings at Donlin .
Speaker #3: So we will be , you know , working with our partner , developing plans for future exploration . But right now , you know , really , it's all hands on deck , getting the feasibility study kicked off .
And once we get that work well underway, we'll turn our attention to the exploration and other matters. But certainly, the potential is vast at Donlin, and we look forward to updating everybody on that work. But I think immediate potential exists in and around the known ore bodies. So it'll be an exciting time to be exploring it up in Alaska.
Speaker #3: And once we get that work well underway, we'll turn our attention to the exploration and other matters. But certainly, the potential is vast.
Speaker #3: At Donlin . And , you know , we look forward to updating everybody on that work . But I think immediate potential exists in and around the known orebodies .
Operator: But I think immediate potential exists in and around the known ore bodies. So it'll be an exciting time to be exploring it up in Alaska. Thank you. Thank you, and congratulations. I'll turn it over. Thank you. Thank you. We have a few questions coming in from the webcast, and I'll start with a question coming in from Eric Shinsing. Is the tailings design now effectively locked or still at risk of material change? That's a good question. Let me first off remind everybody that the tailings dam at Donlin is a downstream rock construction anchored into the bedrock. It's also a fully lined structure. And really, that's state of the art. That's the most stable dam being built, and the liner is just added protection. So the design of the tailings dam is really not impacted at all.
Speaker #3: So it'll be an exciting time to be exploring it up in Alaska .
Soundarya Iyer: Thank you. Thank you, and congratulations. I'll turn it over.
Speaker #4: Thank you. Thank you, and congratulations. I'll turn it over.
Thomas Kaplan: Thank you.
Mélanie Hennessey: Thank you. We have a few questions coming in from the webcast, and I'll start with a question coming in from Eric Shinsing. Is the tailings design now effectively locked or still at risk of material change?
Speaker #3: Thank you .
Speaker #6: Thank you . We have a few questions coming in from the webcast , and I'll start with a question coming in from Eric .
Speaker #6: Schinseng, is the tailings design now effectively locked, or is it still at risk of material change?
Thomas Kaplan: That's a good question. Let me first off remind everybody that the tailings dam at Donlin is a downstream rock construction anchored into the bedrock. It's also a fully lined structure. And really, that's state of the art. That's the most stable dam being built, and the liner is just added protection. So the design of the tailings dam is really not impacted at all. It's finalized, and we've submitted the design packages to the state, and I don't anticipate any changes at all.
Speaker #3: That's it . Yeah , that's a good question . Let me , you know , first off , remind everybody that the tailings dam at Donlin is a downstream rock construction anchored into the bedrock .
Speaker #3: It's also a fully lined structure , and that's really that's state of the art . That's the most stable dam being built . And the liner is just added protection .
Speaker #3: So the design of the tailings dam is really not impacted at all. It's finalized, and we've submitted the design packages to the state, and I don't anticipate any changes at all.
Operator: It's finalized, and we've submitted the design packages to the state, and I don't anticipate any changes at all. Great. The second question, what are the project economics, NPV, and IRR that you're targeting as part of the BFS? Well, I think that will be addressed in the feasibility study sensitivities. Looking at our recent technical report, and I encourage everybody when they have time to give it a review, the economics at a gold price of about $2,100 were a double-digit rate of return. And you don't have to stretch your imagination that from $2,100 to where we sit today, that's almost better than a twofold increase in price. So I think the economics at much lower gold prices are robust. And as you've noted in all of our presentations, we have tremendous leverage to upside. And at the current price, of course, it's an amazing cash flow generator.
Mélanie Hennessey: Great. The second question, what are the project economics, NPV, and IRR that you're targeting as part of the BFS?
Speaker #6: Great. The second question: what are the project economics? NPV and IRR that you're targeting as part of the BFS?
Thomas Kaplan: Well, I think that will be addressed in the feasibility study sensitivities. Looking at our recent technical report, and I encourage everybody when they have time to give it a review, the economics at a gold price of about $2,100 were a double-digit rate of return. And you don't have to stretch your imagination that from $2,100 to where we sit today, that's almost better than a twofold increase in price. So I think the economics at much lower gold prices are robust. And as you've noted in all of our presentations, we have tremendous leverage to upside. And at the current price, of course, it's an amazing cash flow generator.
Speaker #3: I think you know , that will be addressed in , you know , feasibility the study sensitivities . You know , looking our at recent technical report and I encourage everybody when they have time to to give it a review .
Speaker #3: You know , the economics of the gold price of about $2,100 were , you know , double digit rate of return . And it's you don't have to stretch your imagination , you know , that , you know , from 2100 to where we sit today , that's almost it's better than a two fold increase in price .
Speaker #3: So I think , you know , the , the economics at much lower gold prices are robust . And as you've noted of our presentations , we have tremendous leverage to upside the .
Speaker #3: current And projects . Of course , it's amazing . Cash flow generator .
Operator: The next question is for Tom. It's actually more of a statement from Matt Kovac. Dr. Kaplan, I have been listening to you and NOVAGOLD for many years. How does it feel to be right and see your predictions and the price of gold coming to fruition? It's not really a function of satisfaction of being right. Obviously, being right is essential for the way that we do business. We always start with a macro view on an underlying commodity, or as I would put it in the case of precious metals, currencies. The reason why we start with macro is for the good reason that I'm not a mining guy. I've been in the business for 33 years, and I've surrounded myself with the best of the best geologists, people who've been there and done that, like Dr.
Mélanie Hennessey: The next question is for Tom. It's actually more of a statement from Matt Kovac. Dr. Kaplan, I have been listening to you and NOVAGOLD for many years. How does it feel to be right and see your predictions and the price of gold coming to fruition?
Speaker #6: The next question is for Tom . It's actually more of a from statement Matt . Matt Kovacs , Doctor Kaplan I have been listening to you and Nova Gold for many years .
Speaker #6: How does it feel to be right and see your price predictions and the price of gold coming to fruition?
Thomas Kaplan: It's not really a function of satisfaction of being right. Obviously, being right is essential for the way that we do business. We always start with a macro view on an underlying commodity, or as I would put it in the case of precious metals, currencies. The reason why we start with macro is for the good reason that I'm not a mining guy.
Speaker #1: It's not really a function of satisfaction , of being right . Obviously , being right is essential for the way that we business .
Speaker #1: always We start with a macro view on an underlying commodity . Or as I would put it in the case of precious metals , currencies , and the reason why we start with macros for the good reason that I'm mining not a guy .
I've been in the business for 33 years, and I've surrounded myself with the best of the best geologists, people who've been there and done that, like Dr. Larry Buchanan, who's still our chief geologist since 1994, or Greg Lang and Richard Williams, who both brought in Cortez and Pueblo Viejo on time, on budget when they were at Barrick. If you surround yourself with great people and you have assets that have superlatives attached to them, you're going to be right.
Speaker #1: been in the I've business for 33 years , and I've surrounded myself with the best of the best geologists , people who've been there and done that , like Doctor Larry Buchanan , you know , who's still our chief geologist since 1994 .
Operator: Larry Buchanan, who's still our chief geologist since 1994, or Greg Lang and Richard Williams, who both brought in Cortez and Pueblo Viejo on time, on budget when they were at Barrick. If you surround yourself with great people and you have assets that have superlatives attached to them, you're going to be right. The question is, how long does it take? If I have that kind of conviction, which is somewhat referred to as metaphysical certitude, about a thesis like I'd have had with gold and silver, and I have the right vehicle with which to be able to get the greatest leverage to that, especially today in a jurisdiction that allows you to keep the fruits of the leverage, I can hold forever. I don't get frustrated. So by the time people come around to my point of view, it's not like I feel vindication.
Speaker #1: You know , or Greg Lang and a Richard Williams , who both brought in Cortez and Pueblo Viejo on time , on budget when they were at Barrick .
Speaker #1: If you surround yourself with great people, and you have assets that have superlatives attached to them, you're going to be right. The question is, how long does it take?
The question is, how long does it take? If I have that kind of conviction, which is somewhat referred to as metaphysical certitude, about a thesis like I'd have had with gold and silver, and I have the right vehicle with which to be able to get the greatest leverage to that, especially today in a jurisdiction that allows you to keep the fruits of the leverage, I can hold forever. I don't get frustrated. So by the time people come around to my point of view, it's not like I feel vindication.
Speaker #1: If I have that kind of conviction , which is referred to metaphysical certitude about a thesis like I'd have had with gold and silver .
Speaker #1: And the right—I have the vehicle with which to be able to get the greatest leverage to that, especially today in a jurisdiction that allows you to keep the fruits of the leverage.
Speaker #1: I can hold forever. I don't get frustrated. So by the time people come around to my point of view, it's not like I feel vindication.
Operator: Well, I'm glad that they came around, and that offers me the opportunity to reward the people who've been with us with outsized gains. To me, business is personal. I mean, I have multiple passions in life, but over the last 33 years, we've only really focused on maybe half a dozen, six, seven assets. But if you look at our track record from first investment to exits, the annual track record is into the 80s%. Now it was actually over 100% around the time of the financial crisis. But the last 10 years or so have been almost like watching paint dry in the mining industry. But fortunately, the fundamentals always will out. I've never had a doubt about gold. And if I don't have a doubt—and by the way, I'm always questioning myself.
Well, I'm glad that they came around, and that offers me the opportunity to reward the people who've been with us with outsized gains. To me, business is personal. I mean, I have multiple passions in life, but over the last 33 years, we've only really focused on maybe half a dozen, six, seven assets. But if you look at our track record from first investment to exits, the annual track record is into the 80s%.
Speaker #1: It's , well , I'm glad that they came around and that , you know , offers me the opportunity to reward the people who've been with us , with outsized gains .
Speaker #1: To me , business is personal . I mean , I have multiple passions in life , but , you know , over the last 33 years , we've only really focused on maybe half a dozen , six , seven assets .
Speaker #1: But if you look at our track record from first investment to exits, the annual track record is into the 80s of percents.
Now it was actually over 100% around the time of the financial crisis. But the last 10 years or so have been almost like watching paint dry in the mining industry. But fortunately, the fundamentals always will out. I've never had a doubt about gold. And if I don't have a doubt—and by the way, I'm always questioning myself.
Speaker #1: And that was actually over 100% , you know , around the time of the financial crisis . But , you know , the last ten years or so have been almost like watching paint dry in the mining industry .
Speaker #1: But fortunately , you know , the fundamentals out . I've never had a doubt about gold . And if I don't have a doubt and by the way , I'm always questioning myself .
Operator: I'm always saying, "Have the circumstances changed?" In fact, in 2007, when I made that statement at a private equity conference that I was selling my energy company, the fastest growing natural gas producer in North America, to go into gold and silver. And remember, I'm in a petro state. And they said, "What is your target?" And I said, "My first equilibrium level is between $3,000 and $5,000." And then the next question was a very, very intelligent one, which was, "What can go wrong with your thesis? You obviously have so much conviction." And I said, "For the first time in my life, in my career, I can't find how I'm wrong, and that scares me." And for years, I was looking around for people to challenge me, like an ancient Greek with a light, Diogenes with a lamp, looking for an honest man.
I'm always saying, "Have the circumstances changed?" In fact, in 2007, when I made that statement at a private equity conference that I was selling my energy company, the fastest growing natural gas producer in North America, to go into gold and silver. And remember, I'm in a petro state. And they said, "What is your target?" And I said, "My first equilibrium level is between $3,000 and $5,000."
Speaker #1: I'm always saying have the circumstances changed . In fact , in 2007 , when I made that statement that a private equity conference that I was selling my energy company the fastest growing natural gas producer in North America , to go into gold and silver .
Speaker #1: And remember , I'm in a Petro state . And they said , what is your target ? And I said , my first equilibrium level is between 3 and 5000 .
And then the next question was a very, very intelligent one, which was, "What can go wrong with your thesis? You obviously have so much conviction." And I said, "For the first time in my life, in my career, I can't find how I'm wrong, and that scares me." And for years, I was looking around for people to challenge me, like an ancient Greek with a light, Diogenes with a lamp, looking for an honest man.
Speaker #1: And then the next question was very , very intelligent . One which was what can go wrong with your thesis ? You obviously have so much conviction .
Speaker #1: And I said , first time in for the my life , in my career , I can't find how I'm wrong . And that scares me .
Speaker #1: And for years I was looking around , you know , for people to challenge me like , you know , an ancient Greek with a light , you know , Diogenes with a lamp , looking for an honest man .
Operator: I was never persuaded out of my position. God only knows, or excuse me, heaven knows. There is nothing that has happened either within the realm of gold specifically or the macro circumstances in which we find ourselves that has done anything to dissuade me from my firm beliefs, which are, as you've seen, that gold will do as the Dow has done in terms of the breadth and long waves and sweep of the bull market. It may happen much faster than the Dow for reasons that are almost self-evident at this point. So it's not really so much about being right. It's about doing the right thing. Candidly, gold and silver, because I felt it was the best way to protect my family's wealth.
I was never persuaded out of my position. God only knows, or excuse me, heaven knows. There is nothing that has happened either within the realm of gold specifically or the macro circumstances in which we find ourselves that has done anything to dissuade me from my firm beliefs, which are, as you've seen, that gold will do as the Dow has done in terms of the breadth and long waves and sweep of the bull market.
Speaker #1: And I was never persuaded out of my position . And God only knows or . Excuse me . Heaven knows there is nothing that has happened either within the realm of gold .
Speaker #1: Specifically , or the macro circumstances in which we find ourselves that has done anything to dissuade me from my firm beliefs , which are , as you've seen , that gold will do as the Dow has done in terms of the breadth and long waves and sweep of the bull market .
It may happen much faster than the Dow for reasons that are almost self-evident at this point. So it's not really so much about being right. It's about doing the right thing. Candidly, gold and silver, because I felt it was the best way to protect my family's wealth.
Speaker #1: And it may much happen faster than the Dow, for reasons that are almost self-evident at this point. So it's not really so much about being right.
Speaker #1: It's about doing the right thing . And candidly . Golden . Because I felt it was the best way to protect my family's wealth and the fact that we expressed that through mining companies means that other people can join in if they like what we're doing .
Operator: The fact that we express that through mining companies means that other people can join in if they like what we're doing. But first and foremost, it was out of personal interest. And so being right is not about crowing about it. It's about knowing that we allocated capital properly for our kids. I hope that answered, well, you made a statement, but I hope that that just gave a little bit more context to it. It's not so much about being right. It's about doing the right thing. And that can sometimes seem different. The final commentary is worth sharing, and I'll just read it. It comes from the line of Jim Jameson. Mr. Lang, Dr. Kaplan, and Mr. Paulson, my wife and I have been NOVAGOLD shareholders and related Trilogy shareholders since 2011. I have been a true believer from the get-go. My wife, not so much.
The fact that we express that through mining companies means that other people can join in if they like what we're doing. But first and foremost, it was out of personal interest. And so being right is not about crowing about it. It's about knowing that we allocated capital properly for our kids. I hope that answered, well, you made a statement, but I hope that that just gave a little bit more context to it. It's not so much about being right. It's about doing the right thing. And that can sometimes seem different.
Speaker #1: But first and foremost , it was out of personal interest . And so being right is not about crowing about it . It's about knowing that we allocated capital properly , you know , for our kids .
Speaker #1: I hope that answers well . You made a statement , but I hope that that just gave a little bit more context to it .
Speaker #1: It's not so much about being right. It's about doing the right thing. And that can sometimes seem different.
Mélanie Hennessey: The final commentary is worth sharing, and I'll just read it. It comes from the line of Jim Jameson. Mr. Lang, Dr. Kaplan, and Mr. Paulson, my wife and I have been NOVAGOLD shareholders and related Trilogy shareholders since 2011. I have been a true believer from the get-go. My wife, not so much.
Speaker #6: The final commentaries worth sharing , and I'll just read it . the from It comes line of Jim Jamison . Mr. Lang , Doctor Caplan and Mr. Paulson .
Speaker #6: My wife and I have been gold shareholders and related trilogy shareholders since 2011 . I have been a true believer from the get go .
Operator: Thank you all for saving my marriage. Just kidding. Seriously, thank you for your blood, sweat, and tears. Your extraordinary efforts, patience, resilience, and foresight have brought us this far. We can't wait for the next eight innings. Best wishes, Jim. Thank you, Jim. You certainly made our week. Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad it worked out for you. Yep. That ends our Q&A. So back to you, Ayesha. All right. I'd like to thank you for joining our call. Go ahead. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
Thank you all for saving my marriage. Just kidding. Seriously, thank you for your blood, sweat, and tears. Your extraordinary efforts, patience, resilience, and foresight have brought us this far. We can't wait for the next eight innings. Best wishes, Jim.
Speaker #6: My wife , not so much . Thank you all for saving my marriage . Just kidding . Seriously . Thank you for your blood , sweat and tears .
Speaker #6: Your extraordinary efforts . Patience , resilience and foresight have brought us this far . We can't wait for the next eight innings . Best wishes , Jim .
Thomas Kaplan: Thank you, Jim. You certainly made our week. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Jim. You made you. You certainly made our week. Thank you.
[Analyst 2]: Yeah, I'm glad it worked out for you.
Thomas Kaplan: Yep.
Mélanie Hennessey: That ends our Q&A. So back to you, Ayesha. All right.
Speaker #3: I'm glad it worked out for you. Yeah.
Speaker #6: That ends our Q&A. So, back to you, Asia.
Thomas Kaplan: I'd like to thank you for joining our call.
Speaker #3: All right .
Speaker #7: I'd like , thank you
Mélanie Hennessey: Go ahead.
Greg Lang: Thank you, everyone.
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Speaker #3: joining our
Speaker #7: ahead call . Go .
Thomas Kaplan: Thank you.
Operator: This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
Speaker #1: you Thank everyone .
Speaker #3: Thank you .
Speaker #7: This brings to a close today's conference call . You may disconnect your lines . Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day .
