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Q4 2025 Business First Bancshares Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker #1: Gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Business First Bancshares Q4 2025 earnings call.
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Matt Sealy: Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining. Earlier today, we issued our Q4 2025 earnings press release, a copy of which is available on our website, along with the slide presentation that we will reference during today's call. Please refer to slide 3 of our presentation, which includes our Safe Harbor Statements regarding forward-looking statements and the use of non-GAAP financial measures. For those of you joining by phone, please note the slide presentation is available on our website at www.b1bank.com. Please also note our Safe Harbor Statements are available on page 6 of our earnings press release that was filed with the SEC today. All comments made during today's call are subject to the Safe Harbor Statements and our slide presentation and earnings release. I'm joined this afternoon by Business First Bancshares Chairman and CEO, Jude Melville, Chief Financial Officer, Greg Robertson, Chief Banking Officer, Philip Jordan, and President of B1 Bank, Jerry Vascocu.
Speaker #2: Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining. Earlier today, we issued our fourth quarter 2025 earnings press release, a copy of which is available on our website, along with the slide presentation that we will reference during today's call.
Operator: Earlier today, we issued our Q4 2025 earnings press release, a copy of which is available on our website, along with the slide presentation that we will reference during today's call. Please refer to slide 3 of our presentation, which includes our Safe Harbor Statements regarding forward-looking statements and the use of non-GAAP financial measures. For those of you joining by phone, please note the slide presentation is available on our website at www.b1bank.com. Please also note our Safe Harbor Statements are available on page 6 of our earnings press release that was filed with the SEC today. All comments made during today's call are subject to the Safe Harbor Statements and our slide presentation and earnings release. I'm joined this afternoon by Business First Bancshares Chairman and CEO, Jude Melville, Chief Financial Officer, Greg Robertson, Chief Banking Officer, Philip Jordan, and President of B1 Bank, Jerry Vascocu.
Q4 2025 Business First Bancshares Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Please refer to slide three of our presentation, which includes our safe harbor statements regarding forward-looking statements and the use of non-GAAP financial measures. For those of you joining by phone, please note the slide presentation is available on our website at www.b1bank.com.
Speaker #2: Please also note our safe harbor statements are available on page six of our earnings press release that was filed with the SEC today. All comments made during today's call are subject to the safe harbor statements in our slide presentation and earnings release.
Speaker #2: I'm joined this afternoon by Business First Bancshares Chairman and CEO, Jude Melville; Chief Financial Officer, Gregory Robertson; Chief Banking Officer, Philip Jordan; and President of B1 Bank, Jerry Vascocu.
Speaker #2: After the presentation, we'll be happy to address any questions you may have. And with that, I'll turn the call over to you, Jude.
Operator: After the presentation, we'll be happy to address any questions you may have. And with that, I'll turn the call over to you, Jude. Okay, thanks, Matt. Good afternoon, everybody. We thank you all for being with us today. I'd like to begin our conversation with a brief high-level review of the work our team accomplished in 2025, which turned out to be, in my opinion, one of the most meaningful and positive years our franchise has experienced. I'll start with a few of the non-financial highlights. While they don't contribute much to the short-term modeling that this call invariably centers around, they are what enables future opportunity and therefore representative of the most important work that we do. Over the course of '25, we conducted two major core conversions and implemented a number of software platforms designed to prepare us for managing at this and future scale.
After the presentation, we'll be happy to address any questions you may have. And with that, I'll turn the call over to you, Jude.
Jude Melville: Okay, thanks, Matt. Good afternoon, everybody. We thank you all for being with us today. I'd like to begin our conversation with a brief high-level review of the work our team accomplished in 2025, which turned out to be, in my opinion, one of the most meaningful and positive years our franchise has experienced. I'll start with a few of the non-financial highlights. While they don't contribute much to the short-term modeling that this call invariably centers around, they are what enables future opportunity and therefore representative of the most important work that we do. Over the course of '25, we conducted two major core conversions and implemented a number of software platforms designed to prepare us for managing at this and future scale.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thanks, Matt. Good afternoon, everybody. We thank you all for being with us today. I'd like to begin our conversation with a brief high-level review of the work our team accomplished in 2025, which turned out to be, in my opinion, one of the most meaningful and positive years our franchise has experienced.
Speaker #3: I'll start with a few of the non-financial highlights. While they don't contribute much to the short-term modeling that this call invariably centers around, they are what enable future opportunity, and therefore are representative of the most important work that we do.
Speaker #3: Over the course of '25, we conducted two major core conversions and implemented a number of software platforms designed to prepare us for managing at this and future scale.
Speaker #3: We continue to develop multiple internal divisions focused on preventing and mitigating fraud, internal loan review, audit, and various CRM capabilities. This contributes to both our ability to operate safely and the maintenance of a positive regulatory relationship.
Operator: We continued to develop multiple internal divisions focused on preventing and mitigating fraud, internal loan review, audit, and various capabilities, contributing to both our ability to operate safely and maintenance of a positive regulatory relationship. We continued our practice of incrementally evolving our footprint, closing three banking centers and opening one. We made big strides developing our correspondent banking initiative into a significant part of the bank, contributing meaningful non-interest income, growing the client base to over 175 community banks. We announced and then, at the turn of the year, closed the acquisition of Progressive Bank in North Louisiana. We, and this may sound out of place on a call such as this, but we learned some lessons about working through credit issues for the first time in a number of years, things that will ultimately make us better providers and managers of credit in the future.
We continued to develop multiple internal divisions focused on preventing and mitigating fraud, internal loan review, audit, and various capabilities, contributing to both our ability to operate safely and maintenance of a positive regulatory relationship. We continued our practice of incrementally evolving our footprint, closing three banking centers and opening one. We made big strides developing our correspondent banking initiative into a significant part of the bank, contributing meaningful non-interest income, growing the client base to over 175 community banks. We announced and then, at the turn of the year, closed the acquisition of Progressive Bank in North Louisiana. We, and this may sound out of place on a call such as this, but we learned some lessons about working through credit issues for the first time in a number of years, things that will ultimately make us better providers and managers of credit in the future.
Speaker #3: We continued our practice of incrementally evolving our footprint, closing three banking centers and opening one. We made big strides developing our correspondent banking initiative into a significant part of the bank, contributing meaningful non-interest income.
Speaker #3: Growing the client base to over 175 community banks. We announced and then, at the turn of the year, closed the acquisition of Progressive Bank in North Louisiana.
Speaker #3: We—and this may sound out of place on a call such as this—but we learned some lessons by working through credit issues for the first time in a number of years.
Speaker #3: Things that will ultimately make us better providers and managers of credit in the future. And for the fifth year in a row, we were one of the winners of the American Bankers Best Banks to Work For Award, voted on by employees and therefore one of my favorite awards to win.
Operator: And for the fifth year in a row, we were one of the winners of the American Bankers Association Best Banks to Work For Award, voted on by employees and therefore one of my favorite awards to win. These non-financial accomplishments are important, and I'm proud of them, but they, of course, aren't alone sufficient. 2025 was also a year of accomplishment from a balance sheet perspective. Over the past 12 months, we've bolstered our capital ratios with tangible common equity increasing by 90 basis points and consolidated CET1 capital increasing 50 basis points year over year. We grew tangible book value 17.3%. We have as balanced a balance sheet as we have ever had, with limited concentrations in any lending category and significant geographic diversification.
And for the fifth year in a row, we were one of the winners of the American Bankers Association Best Banks to Work For Award, voted on by employees and therefore one of my favorite awards to win. These non-financial accomplishments are important, and I'm proud of them, but they, of course, aren't alone sufficient. 2025 was also a year of accomplishment from a balance sheet perspective. Over the past 12 months, we've bolstered our capital ratios with tangible common equity increasing by 90 basis points and consolidated CET1 capital increasing 50 basis points year over year. We grew tangible book value 17.3%. We have as balanced a balance sheet as we have ever had, with limited concentrations in any lending category and significant geographic diversification.
Speaker #3: These non-financial accomplishments are important and I'm proud of them, but they, of course, aren't alone sufficient. 2025 was also a year of accomplishment from a balance sheet perspective.
Speaker #3: Over the past 12 months, we've bolstered our capital ratios with tangible common equity, increasing by 90 basis points, and consolidated CET1 capital increasing 50 basis points year over year.
Speaker #3: We grew tangible book value 17.3%. We have as balanced a balance sheet as we have ever had, with limited concentrations in any lending category and significant geographic diversification.
Speaker #3: We grew loans and deposits in tandem, particularly in the fourth quarter, as we got through some of the bigger non-financial projects and returned with more focus to production.
Operator: We grew loans and deposits in tandem, particularly in Q4 as we got through some of the bigger non-financial projects and returned with more focus to production. We began purchasing shares back for the first time in almost six years and positioned ourselves to have that tool as a viable option in the future. We increased our common stock dividend for the seventh year in a row. Now, we recognize that all this non-financial and balance sheet activity needs to lead up to something else, something tangible. Over the course of 2025, we delivered strong P&L improvement beyond what we or the analysts forecasted. We grew ROAA beyond our stated 1% goal to a 1.06 core ROAA for the year and a 1.16 core ROAA in Q4.
We grew loans and deposits in tandem, particularly in Q4 as we got through some of the bigger non-financial projects and returned with more focus to production. We began purchasing shares back for the first time in almost six years and positioned ourselves to have that tool as a viable option in the future. We increased our common stock dividend for the seventh year in a row. Now, we recognize that all this non-financial and balance sheet activity needs to lead up to something else, something tangible. Over the course of 2025, we delivered strong P&L improvement beyond what we or the analysts forecasted. We grew ROAA beyond our stated 1% goal to a 1.06 core ROAA for the year and a 1.16 core ROAA in Q4.
Speaker #3: We began purchasing shares back for the first time in almost six years, and have positioned ourselves to have that tool as a viable option in the future.
Speaker #3: And we increased our common stock dividend for the seventh year in a row. Now, we recognize that all this non-financial and balance sheet activity needs to lead up to something else—something tangible.
Speaker #3: And over the course of 2025, we delivered strong P&L improvement beyond what we or the analysts forecasted. We grew ROAA beyond our stated 1% goal to a 1.06% core ROAA for the year.
Speaker #3: And a 1.16% core ROA in the fourth quarter. We delivered a 14% increase in EPS over the course of the year, and, in the fourth quarter, a 20% year-over-year improvement.
Operator: We delivered a 14% increase in EPS over the course of the year and in the fourth quarter, a 20% year-over-year improvement. We grew our full-year core margin beyond our stated goals of 3.5% to 3.63%, and we held non-interest expense growth relatively flat while growing revenue, generating positive operating leverage, posting a sub-60% efficiency ratio in the fourth quarter. In sum, we are turning the investments we've made over the past few years into momentum, which leads me to believe that even though 2025 was a pivotal year for B1, 2026 will be even more fruitful. With our major systems implementations behind us, we will focus more on optimizing the systems, which will lead to greater efficiencies. With a healthy footprint in place, we will focus less on expanding it and more on deepening it.
We delivered a 14% increase in EPS over the course of the year and in the fourth quarter, a 20% year-over-year improvement. We grew our full-year core margin beyond our stated goals of 3.5% to 3.63%, and we held non-interest expense growth relatively flat while growing revenue, generating positive operating leverage, posting a sub-60% efficiency ratio in the fourth quarter. In sum, we are turning the investments we've made over the past few years into momentum, which leads me to believe that even though 2025 was a pivotal year for B1, 2026 will be even more fruitful. With our major systems implementations behind us, we will focus more on optimizing the systems, which will lead to greater efficiencies. With a healthy footprint in place, we will focus less on expanding it and more on deepening it.
Speaker #3: We grew our full-year core margin beyond our stated goals of 3.5% to 3.63%, and we held non-interest expense growth relatively flat while growing revenue, generating positive operating leverage.
Speaker #3: Posting a sub-60 efficiency ratio in the fourth quarter. In sum, we are turning the investments we've made over the past few years into momentum, which leads me to believe that even though 2025 was a pivotal year for B1, 2026 will be even more fruitful.
Speaker #3: With our major systems implementations behind us, we will focus more on optimizing the systems, which will lead to greater efficiencies. With a healthy footprint in place, we will focus less on expanding it and more on deepening it.
Speaker #3: By the way, over the past few weeks, we were pleased to begin to take advantage of some of the disruption in the Houston market by recruiting John Heine, formerly of Veritex, to be our new market leader. He's already been able to add a couple of impressive bankers to the foundational team we have in place.
Operator: By the way, over the past few weeks, we were pleased to begin to take advantage of some of the disruption in the Houston market by recruiting John Heine, formerly of Veritex, to be our new market leader, and he's already been able to add a couple of impressive bank bankers to the foundational team we have in place. Finally, we will focus less in 2026 on embarking upon new major projects and more on daily execution. We have a good team, we're in good markets, and we're focused on the right things: sustainable ROAA, tangible book value accretion, EPS enhancement, non-interest revenue giving us greater revenue optionality, and non-interest expense discipline leading to continued efficiency ratio improvement. It's an exciting time, and we look forward to discussing it further over the course of the call.
By the way, over the past few weeks, we were pleased to begin to take advantage of some of the disruption in the Houston market by recruiting John Heine, formerly of Veritex, to be our new market leader, and he's already been able to add a couple of impressive bank bankers to the foundational team we have in place. Finally, we will focus less in 2026 on embarking upon new major projects and more on daily execution. We have a good team, we're in good markets, and we're focused on the right things: sustainable ROAA, tangible book value accretion, EPS enhancement, non-interest revenue giving us greater revenue optionality, and non-interest expense discipline leading to continued efficiency ratio improvement. It's an exciting time, and we look forward to discussing it further over the course of the call.
Speaker #3: Finally, we will focus less in 2026 on embarking upon new major projects and more on daily execution. We have a good team, we're in a good market, and we're focused on the right things: sustainable ROAA, tangible book value accretion, EPS enhancement, non-interest revenue giving us greater revenue optionality, and non-interest expense discipline leading to continued efficiency ratio improvement.
Speaker #3: It's an exciting time, and we look forward to discussing it further over the course of the call. I thank you all again for your attention, and I'll turn it over to
Operator: I thank you all again for your attention, and I'll turn it over to Greg. Thank you, Jude. Good afternoon, everyone. As always, I'll spend a few minutes reviewing our results, and we'll discuss our updated outlook before we open up the Q&A. Q4 GAAP net income and EPS available to common shareholders was $21.71 per share and included $2.2 million in merger and core conversion-related expense, $995,000 loss on former bank premises, and $35,000 gain on sale of securities. Excluding these non-core items, non-GAAP core net income and EPS available to common shareholders was $23.579 per share. From our perspective, Q4 results marked another quarter of strong financial performance, generating, as Jude mentioned, a 1.16% core ROAA with our core efficiency ratio falling to 59.7% for the quarter. A notable impact during the Q4 included continuing meaningful contribution from our correspondent banking group.
I thank you all again for your attention, and I'll turn it over to Greg.
Speaker #3: Greg. Thank you, Jude.
Greg Robertson: Thank you, Jude. Good afternoon, everyone. As always, I'll spend a few minutes reviewing our results, and we'll discuss our updated outlook before we open up the Q&A. Q4 GAAP net income and EPS available to common shareholders was $21.71 per share and included $2.2 million in merger and core conversion-related expense, $995,000 loss on former bank premises, and $35,000 gain on sale of securities. Excluding these non-core items, non-GAAP core net income and EPS available to common shareholders was $23.579 per share. From our perspective, Q4 results marked another quarter of strong financial performance, generating, as Jude mentioned, a 1.16% core ROAA with our core efficiency ratio falling to 59.7% for the quarter. A notable impact during the Q4 included continuing meaningful contribution from our correspondent banking group.
Speaker #1: Good afternoon, everyone. As always, I'll spend a few minutes reviewing our results, and then we'll discuss our updated outlook before we open up the Q&A.
Speaker #1: Fourth quarter GAAP net income and EPS available to common shareholders was $21 million, and $0.71 per share. This included $2.2 million in merger and core conversion-related expense, a $995,000 loss on former bank premises, and a $35,000 gain on sale of securities.
Speaker #1: Excluding these non-core items, non-GAAP core net income and EPS available to common shareholders was $23.5 million, or $0.79 per share. From our perspective, fourth quarter results marked another quarter of strong financial performance, generating, as Jude mentioned, a 1.16% core ROA, with our core efficiency ratio falling to 59.7% for the quarter.
Speaker #1: A notable impact during the fourth quarter included continuing meaningful contribution from our Correspondent Banking group. Also, as Jude mentioned, we added several new slides to our earnings presentation.
Operator: Also, as Jude mentioned, we added several new slides to our earnings presentation. I'll start on slide 24, a new overview slide from our loan portfolio. Total loans held for investment increased $168.4 million, or 11.1% annualized on a linked-quarter basis. The higher-than-expected loan growth was driven by overall improved demand and a slowing in paydowns and payoffs. Specifically, new and renewed loan production of approximately $500 million during the fourth quarter compares to slower scheduled and non-scheduled paydowns and payoffs of $332 million. Recall, in the previous quarter, we experienced a slight decrease in net loan production, which was a result of $395 million in paydowns and payoffs, only offset by $368 million new and renewed loan production during the third quarter. On a linked-quarter basis, owner-occupied CRE loans increased $76 million, or 28% annualized, while non-owner-occupied CRE loans increased $77 million, or 23.9% annualized.
Also, as Jude mentioned, we added several new slides to our earnings presentation. I'll start on slide 24, a new overview slide from our loan portfolio. Total loans held for investment increased $168.4 million, or 11.1% annualized on a linked-quarter basis. The higher-than-expected loan growth was driven by overall improved demand and a slowing in paydowns and payoffs. Specifically, new and renewed loan production of approximately $500 million during the fourth quarter compares to slower scheduled and non-scheduled paydowns and payoffs of $332 million. Recall, in the previous quarter, we experienced a slight decrease in net loan production, which was a result of $395 million in paydowns and payoffs, only offset by $368 million new and renewed loan production during the third quarter. On a linked-quarter basis, owner-occupied CRE loans increased $76 million, or 28% annualized, while non-owner-occupied CRE loans increased $77 million, or 23.9% annualized.
Speaker #1: I'll start on slide 24, a new overview slide from our loan portfolio. Total loans held for investment increased $168.4 million, or 11.1% annualized, on a linked-quarter basis.
Speaker #1: The higher-than-expected loan growth was driven by overall improved demand and a slowing in paydowns and payoffs. Specifically, new and renewed loan production of approximately $500 million during the fourth quarter compares to slower scheduled and non-scheduled paydowns and payoffs of $332 million.
Speaker #1: Recall, in the previous quarter, we experienced a slight decrease in net loan production, which was a result of $395 million in paydowns and payoffs, only offset by $368 million in new and renewed loan production during the third quarter.
Speaker #1: On a linked quarter basis, our owner-occupied CRE loans increased $76 million, or 28% annualized, while non-owner-occupied CRE loans increased $77 million, or 23.9% annualized.
Speaker #1: Based on unpaid principal balances, Texas-based loans declined slightly from 39% as of December 31, 2025. We expect that percentage of the Texas loans to further decline with the closing of Progressive Bank to approximately 36% in the first quarter.
Operator: Based on unpaid principal balances, Texas-based loans declined slightly from 39% as of 31 December 2025. We expect that percentage of the Texas loans to further decline with the closing of the Progressive Bank to approximately 36% in the first quarter. Moving back to slide 16, total deposits increased $191.7 million, mostly due to net increase in interest-bearing deposits of $236.2 million on a link quarter basis, somewhat offset by a net decrease in non-interest-bearing deposits of $44.5 million from the prior quarter. The increase in interest-bearing deposits was largely driven by approximately $105 million in public funds and $60.8 million in commercial money market accounts. We do expect somewhat of an outflow of the public funds markets during the first quarter, consistently with prior years' Q1 seasonality.
Based on unpaid principal balances, Texas-based loans declined slightly from 39% as of 31 December 2025. We expect that percentage of the Texas loans to further decline with the closing of the Progressive Bank to approximately 36% in the first quarter. Moving back to slide 16, total deposits increased $191.7 million, mostly due to net increase in interest-bearing deposits of $236.2 million on a link quarter basis, somewhat offset by a net decrease in non-interest-bearing deposits of $44.5 million from the prior quarter. The increase in interest-bearing deposits was largely driven by approximately $105 million in public funds and $60.8 million in commercial money market accounts. We do expect somewhat of an outflow of the public funds markets during the first quarter, consistently with prior years' Q1 seasonality.
Speaker #1: Moving back to slide 16, total deposits increased $191.7 million, mostly due to a net increase in interest-bearing deposits of $236.2 million on a linked-quarter basis.
Speaker #1: Somewhat offset by a net decrease in non-interest-bearing deposits of $44.5 million from the prior quarter. The increase in interest-bearing deposits was largely driven by approximately $105 million in public funds and $60.8 million in commercial money market accounts.
Speaker #1: We do expect somewhat of an outflow of the public funds markets during the first quarter, consistent with prior years' Q1 seasonality. Moving to the margin, our GAAP-reported fourth quarter net interest margin increased basis points linked quarter to 3.71%, while the non-GAAP core net interest margin, excluding purchase accounting accretion, increased one basis point from 3.63% to 3.64% for the quarter ended in December.
Operator: Moving to the margin, our GAAP reported fourth quarter net interest margin increased three basis points linked quarter to 3.71%, while the non-GAAP core net interest margin, excluding purchase accounting accretion, increased one basis point from 3.63% to 3.64% for the quarter ended in December. The margin performance during the quarter was driven by elevated loan discount accretion due to a single large acquired loan paying off sooner than we expected. Loan discount accretion during the quarter was elevated at $1.4 million, including the addition of Progressive. We expect quarterly accretion in 2026 of approximately $1.8 million. On a linked quarter basis, cost of total deposits decreased 15 basis points, while total loan yields decreased 13 basis points. Core loan yields, excluding loan discount accretion for the fourth quarter, was 6.78%, down 15 basis points from the prior quarter.
Moving to the margin, our GAAP reported fourth quarter net interest margin increased three basis points linked quarter to 3.71%, while the non-GAAP core net interest margin, excluding purchase accounting accretion, increased one basis point from 3.63% to 3.64% for the quarter ended in December. The margin performance during the quarter was driven by elevated loan discount accretion due to a single large acquired loan paying off sooner than we expected. Loan discount accretion during the quarter was elevated at $1.4 million, including the addition of Progressive. We expect quarterly accretion in 2026 of approximately $1.8 million. On a linked quarter basis, cost of total deposits decreased 15 basis points, while total loan yields decreased 13 basis points. Core loan yields, excluding loan discount accretion for the fourth quarter, was 6.78%, down 15 basis points from the prior quarter.
Speaker #1: The margin performance during the quarter was driven by elevated loan discount accretion due to a single large acquired loan paying off sooner than we expected.
Speaker #1: Loan discount accretion during the quarter was elevated at $1.4 million, including the addition of Progressive. We expect quarterly accretion in 2026 of approximately $1.8 million.
Speaker #1: On a linked-quarter basis, cost of total deposits decreased 15 basis points, while total loan yields decreased 13 basis points. Core loan yields, excluding loan discount accretion, for the fourth quarter was 6.78%, down 15 basis points from the prior quarter.
Speaker #1: The total cost of deposits for the month ended December was 2.44%, which compares to the weighted average of the fourth quarter of 2.51%. We're pleased with our ability to hold the line on new loan yields during the quarter, with a weighted average new and renewed loan yield of 6.97% for the fourth quarter.
Operator: The total cost of deposits for the month into December was 2.44%, which compared to the weighted average of the fourth quarter of 2.51%. We're pleased with our ability to hold the line of new loan yields during the quarter, with a weighted average new and renewed loan yield of 6.97% for the fourth quarter. However, with the interest rate cuts we experienced during the fourth quarter, we did start seeing some pressure from overall loan pricing. I'd like to take a moment to explain some of the movement in the margin during the fourth quarter. We recognized $1 million of interest income reversal for a non-accrual loan. This translated to about five basis points in the fourth quarter net interest margin. That is to say, had we not recognized this accrual reversal, our Q4 margin would have been five basis points higher.
The total cost of deposits for the month into December was 2.44%, which compared to the weighted average of the fourth quarter of 2.51%. We're pleased with our ability to hold the line of new loan yields during the quarter, with a weighted average new and renewed loan yield of 6.97% for the fourth quarter. However, with the interest rate cuts we experienced during the fourth quarter, we did start seeing some pressure from overall loan pricing. I'd like to take a moment to explain some of the movement in the margin during the fourth quarter. We recognized $1 million of interest income reversal for a non-accrual loan. This translated to about five basis points in the fourth quarter net interest margin. That is to say, had we not recognized this accrual reversal, our Q4 margin would have been five basis points higher.
Speaker #1: However, with the interest rate cuts we experienced during the fourth quarter, we did start seeing some pressure from overall loan pricing. I'd like to take a moment to explain some of the movement in the margin during the fourth quarter.
Speaker #1: We recognized $1 million of interest income reversal for a non-accrual loan. This translated to about five basis points in the fourth quarter net interest margin.
Speaker #1: That is to say, had we not recognized this accrual reversal, our Q4 margin would have been five basis points higher. It is of note, until we find resolution on that credit that was primarily responsible for the income adjustment, we would expect this somewhat of a drag to remain.
Operator: It is of note, until we find resolution on that credit that was primarily responsible for the income adjustment, we would expect this somewhat of a drag to remain. We are pleased with our ability to manage funding costs for the quarter with the weighted average rate of all new interest-bearing deposit accounts during December of 3.51%, down from September's weighted average rate of new interest-bearing deposit accounts of 3.66%. I'd like to make a note of a few takeaways, slide 22 in our investor deck, as we continue to see 45% to 55% of overall deposit beta is achievable regarding any future rate cuts. I would also like to point out overall core CD balance retention rate was about 83% during Q4. That statistic reflects our team's continued focus on maintaining and retaining core deposit relationships.
It is of note, until we find resolution on that credit that was primarily responsible for the income adjustment, we would expect this somewhat of a drag to remain. We are pleased with our ability to manage funding costs for the quarter with the weighted average rate of all new interest-bearing deposit accounts during December of 3.51%, down from September's weighted average rate of new interest-bearing deposit accounts of 3.66%. I'd like to make a note of a few takeaways, slide 22 in our investor deck, as we continue to see 45% to 55% of overall deposit beta is achievable regarding any future rate cuts. I would also like to point out overall core CD balance retention rate was about 83% during Q4. That statistic reflects our team's continued focus on maintaining and retaining core deposit relationships.
Speaker #1: We're pleased with our ability to manage funding costs for the quarter, with the weighted average rate of all new interest-bearing deposit accounts during December at 3.51%, down from September's weighted average rate of new interest-bearing deposit accounts of 3.66%.
Speaker #1: I'd like to make a note of a few takeaways from slide 22 in our investor deck, as we continue to see 45% to 55% of overall deposit betas achievable regarding any future rate cuts.
Speaker #1: I would also like to point out overall core CD balance retention rate was about 83% during the fourth quarter. That statistic reflects our team's continued focus on maintaining and retaining core deposit relationships.
Speaker #1: Our baseline assumption is that we do not receive any further rate cuts in 2026. We have worked hard to manage our balance sheet to a relatively neutral position, and we believe we can achieve modest margin improvement in a slightly down-rate environment.
Operator: Our baseline assumption is that we do not receive any further rate cuts in 2026. We have worked hard to manage our balance sheet to a relatively neutral position, and we believe we can achieve modest margin improvement in a slightly down rate environment. Lastly, on the topic of net interest margin, I'd like to mention a new slide we created and added to the quarterly slide presentation. Slide 20 is a combination of two prior slides and shows our GAAP and core net interest margin in the context of the volatility in the Fed funds rate since 2020. We're proud of our ability over the years to maintain the margin with a relatively tight range. This slide also shows our ability to hold the line on overall loan yields in a declining rate environment while managing funding costs downward.
Our baseline assumption is that we do not receive any further rate cuts in 2026. We have worked hard to manage our balance sheet to a relatively neutral position, and we believe we can achieve modest margin improvement in a slightly down rate environment. Lastly, on the topic of net interest margin, I'd like to mention a new slide we created and added to the quarterly slide presentation. Slide 20 is a combination of two prior slides and shows our GAAP and core net interest margin in the context of the volatility in the Fed funds rate since 2020. We're proud of our ability over the years to maintain the margin with a relatively tight range. This slide also shows our ability to hold the line on overall loan yields in a declining rate environment while managing funding costs downward.
Speaker #1: Lastly, on the topic of net interest margin, I'd like to mention a new slide we created and added to the quarterly slide presentation. Slide 20 is a combination of two prior slides and shows our gap in core net interest margin in the context of the volatility in the Fed funds rate since 2020.
Speaker #1: We're proud of our ability over the years to maintain the margin within a relatively tight range. This slide also shows our ability to hold the line on overall loan yields in a declining rate environment while managing funding costs downward.
Speaker #1: Moving on to the income statement, GAAP non-interest expense was $52.4 million and included $1.4 million in acquisition-related expense and $796,000 in conversion-related expense. Core non-interest expense for the fourth quarter of $50.2 million was up slightly from the prior quarter, but we do expect an increase in Q1 in the core expense base, primarily due to the closing of the Progressive acquisition and timing of various first quarter annual expense resets.
Operator: Moving on to the income statement, GAAP non-interest expense was $52.4 million and included $1.4 million acquisition-related expense, and $796,000 conversion-related expense. Core non-interest expense for the fourth quarter of $50.2 million was up slightly from the prior quarter, but we do expect an increase in the Q1 core expense base, primarily due to the closing of Progressive Acquisition and timing of various first quarter annual expense resets. As a reminder, we should begin to recognize the impact of Progressive cost savings post-conversion, which should occur in the third quarter of this year. Fourth quarter GAAP and core non-interest income was about $12.2 million and $13.2 million, respectively. GAAP results did include a $35,000 gain on sales of securities and a $995,000 loss on former bank premises.
Moving on to the income statement, GAAP non-interest expense was $52.4 million and included $1.4 million acquisition-related expense, and $796,000 conversion-related expense. Core non-interest expense for the fourth quarter of $50.2 million was up slightly from the prior quarter, but we do expect an increase in the Q1 core expense base, primarily due to the closing of Progressive Acquisition and timing of various first quarter annual expense resets. As a reminder, we should begin to recognize the impact of Progressive cost savings post-conversion, which should occur in the third quarter of this year. Fourth quarter GAAP and core non-interest income was about $12.2 million and $13.2 million, respectively. GAAP results did include a $35,000 gain on sales of securities and a $995,000 loss on former bank premises.
Speaker #1: As a reminder, we should begin to recognize the impact of progressive cost stays post-conversion, which should occur in the third quarter of this year.
Speaker #1: Fourth quarter gap in core non-interest income was about $12.2 million and $13.2 million, respectively. Gap results did include a $35,000 gain on sales of securities and a $995,000 loss on former bank premises.
Speaker #1: Core non-interest income results for the fourth quarter were better than we expected, primarily due to swap fee revenue, which was about $1 million higher than expected.
Operator: Core non-interest income results for Q4 were better than we expected, primarily due to swap fee revenue, which was about $1 million higher than expected. Also included in core non-interest income was a $312,000 gain on OREO. We expect near-term quarterly non-interest income to be in the mid to high $13 million range, which includes approximately $1 million quarterly contribution from the Progressive Bank acquisition closed on 1 January. Lastly, I'd like to provide some context to the credit migration during Q4. Total loans past due 30 days or more, excluding non-accruals, as a percentage of total loans held for investment increased from 27 basis points to 64 at 31 December.
Core non-interest income results for Q4 were better than we expected, primarily due to swap fee revenue, which was about $1 million higher than expected. Also included in core non-interest income was a $312,000 gain on OREO. We expect near-term quarterly non-interest income to be in the mid to high $13 million range, which includes approximately $1 million quarterly contribution from the Progressive Bank acquisition closed on 1 January. Lastly, I'd like to provide some context to the credit migration during Q4. Total loans past due 30 days or more, excluding non-accruals, as a percentage of total loans held for investment increased from 27 basis points to 64 at 31 December.
Speaker #1: Also included in core non-interest income was a $312,000 gain on OREO. We expect near-term quarterly non-interest income to be in the mid to high $13 million range, which includes approximately $1 million quarterly contribution from the Progressive Bank acquisition closed on January 1st.
Speaker #1: Lastly, I'd like to provide some context to the credit migration during the fourth quarter. Total loans past due 30 days or more, excluding non-accruals, as a percentage of total loans held for investment increased from 27 basis points to 64.
Speaker #1: At December 31st, the ratio of non-performing loans compared to loans held for investment increased 42 basis points to 1.24%. The ratio of non-performing assets compared to total assets increased 26 basis points to 1.09% compared to the linked quarter.
Operator: The ratio of non-performing loans compared to loans held for investment increased 42 basis points to 1.24% at 31 December, while the ratio of non-performing assets compared to total assets increased 26 basis points to 1.09% compared to the linked quarter. The increases in the non-performing loans and assets ratio over the linked quarter were largely attributable to the deterioration of a single $25.8 million commercial real estate relationship. With that, that will conclude my prepared remarks, and I'll hand it back over to Jude so he can wrap up the conversation. Okay, thanks, Greg. I just want to take one moment to welcome our new former Progressive Bank shareholders and employees as well, if you're listening.
The ratio of non-performing loans compared to loans held for investment increased 42 basis points to 1.24% at 31 December, while the ratio of non-performing assets compared to total assets increased 26 basis points to 1.09% compared to the linked quarter. The increases in the non-performing loans and assets ratio over the linked quarter were largely attributable to the deterioration of a single $25.8 million commercial real estate relationship. With that, that will conclude my prepared remarks, and I'll hand it back over to Jude so he can wrap up the conversation.
Speaker #1: The increases in the non-performing loans and assets ratio over the linked quarter were largely attributable to the deterioration of a single $25.8 million commercial real estate relationship.
Speaker #1: With that, that will conclude my prepared marks, and I'll hand it back over to Jude so he can wrap up the conversation.
Jude Melville: Okay, thanks, Greg. I just want to take one moment to welcome our new former Progressive Bank shareholders and employees as well, if you're listening.
Speaker #2: Okay, thanks, Greg. I just want to take one moment to welcome our new Progressive, former Progressive Bank shareholders and employees as well, if you're listening.
Speaker #2: Excited about that partnership, and I feel like everything that we've worked on thus far is ahead of schedule. In terms of—from our getting the approvals that we needed to get to close it, to all the social integration work that we've already done and enjoyed over the past couple of weeks—being able to spend time with a number of the employees and the former board members. Just real excited about incorporating that into our already existing strong North Louisiana franchises—an important part of our footprint, an important part of the state.
Operator: I'm excited about that partnership, and I feel like everything that we've worked on thus far is ahead of schedule in terms of from our getting the approvals that we needed to get to close it to all the social integration work that we've already done. I enjoyed, over the past couple of weeks, being able to spend time with a number of employees and former board members, and just really excited about incorporating that into our already existing strong North Louisiana franchise. It's an important part of our footprint, an important part of the state, and I look forward to continuing to make a significant contribution to the economy and our role as a community bank in that area. So with that, I'd be happy to turn it over to the question and answer period, do our best to answer any questions you might have. Thank you.
I'm excited about that partnership, and I feel like everything that we've worked on thus far is ahead of schedule in terms of from our getting the approvals that we needed to get to close it to all the social integration work that we've already done. I enjoyed, over the past couple of weeks, being able to spend time with a number of employees and former board members, and just really excited about incorporating that into our already existing strong North Louisiana franchise. It's an important part of our footprint, an important part of the state, and I look forward to continuing to make a significant contribution to the economy and our role as a community bank in that area. So with that, I'd be happy to turn it over to the question and answer period, do our best to answer any questions you might have. Thank you.
Speaker #2: And look forward to continuing to make a significant contribution to the economy and our role as a community bank in that area. So with that, I'd be happy to turn it over to the question and answer period.
Speaker #2: Do our best to answer any questions you might have.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue.
Operator: We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press Star 1 on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press Star 1 again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening via speakerphone on your device, please pick up your handset to ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. We do request for today's session that you please limit to one question and two follow-up questions only. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Matt Olney with Stephens. Your line is open. Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Appreciate you guys taking my question. Want to start on the loan growth front.
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Speaker #3: We do request for today's session that you please limit to one question and two follow-up questions only. Thank you. And our first question comes from the line of Matt Olney with Stephens.
Speaker #3: Your line is
Speaker #3: open. Hey, thanks.
Matt Olney: Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Appreciate you guys taking my question. Want to start on the loan growth front.
Speaker #4: Good afternoon, guys. Appreciate you guys taking my question. I want to start on the loan growth front. It sounds like the paydowns that have been a challenge over the last few quarters weren't as much of a challenge this quarter.
Operator: Sounds like the paydowns that have been a challenge over the last few quarters weren't as much of a challenge this quarter. Any more color you can add to that as far as the fourth quarter growth and then the outlook for organic loan growth from here? I think, Matt, this is Greg. You're right. I think we did have a great quarter. I think some of that was just a little bit of pipeline demand that we've been working on for a while. So the bankers did a good job of landing it. And then just a little bit of downshift in the payoffs that we've seen kind of created that really great quarter. As far as going forward, we still feel very comfortable with the mid-single-digit loan growth throughout the balance of 2026.
Sounds like the paydowns that have been a challenge over the last few quarters weren't as much of a challenge this quarter. Any more color you can add to that as far as the fourth quarter growth and then the outlook for organic loan growth from here?
Speaker #4: Any more color you can add to that? As far as the fourth quarter growth, and then the outlook for organic loan growth from here?
Speaker #4: Here? I think, Matt, this is Greg.
Greg Robertson: I think, Matt, this is Greg. You're right. I think we did have a great quarter. I think some of that was just a little bit of pipeline demand that we've been working on for a while. So the bankers did a good job of landing it. And then just a little bit of downshift in the payoffs that we've seen kind of created that really great quarter. As far as going forward, we still feel very comfortable with the mid-single-digit loan growth throughout the balance of 2026.
Speaker #5: You're right. I think we did have a great quarter. I think some of that was just a little bit of pent-up demand that we've been working on for a while.
Speaker #5: So the bankers did a good job of landing it, and then just a little bit of downshift in the payoffs that we've seen kind of created that really great quarter.
Speaker #5: As far as going forward, we still feel very comfortable with the mid-single-digit loan growth throughout the balance of the year.
Speaker #5: 2026. And Greg, just to follow up on that,
Operator: And Greg, just to follow up on that comment, does the mid-single digits, does that imply a more balanced view of the paydowns that have kind of ebbed and flowed throughout 2025, or any commentary on what that assumes with the paydowns? Yeah, that's a more balanced view would be a good way of putting it. If you think about kind of coming out of the, if you roll back the clock to the quarters where we were producing extremely high loan growth, double-digit to almost 20% annualized loan growth quarters two or three years ago, I think we're unwinding out of that. And so having a more reasonable loan growth expectation might be a little bit easier to achieve without the headwinds from the payoffs. Okay. That's helpful, Greg. And then, yeah. Hey, Matt, just a little more color on the loan growth in the fourth quarters.
Matt Olney: And Greg, just to follow up on that comment, does the mid-single digits, does that imply a more balanced view of the paydowns that have kind of ebbed and flowed throughout 2025, or any commentary on what that assumes with the paydowns?
Speaker #4: Comment, does the mid-single digits—does that imply a more balanced view of the paydowns that have kind of ebbed and flowed throughout '25, or any commentary on what that assumes with the—
Speaker #4: Paydowns? Yeah, that's a more balanced—
Greg Robertson: Yeah, that's a more balanced view would be a good way of putting it. If you think about kind of coming out of the, if you roll back the clock to the quarters where we were producing extremely high loan growth, double-digit to almost 20% annualized loan growth quarters two or three years ago, I think we're unwinding out of that. And so having a more reasonable loan growth expectation might be a little bit easier to achieve without the headwinds from the payoffs.
Speaker #5: View would be a good way of putting it. If you think about kind of coming out of the—if you roll back the clock to the quarters where we were producing extremely high loan growth, double-digit to almost 20% annualized loan growth quarters, two or three years ago, I think we're unwinding out of that.
Speaker #5: And so, having a more reasonable loan growth expectation might be a little bit easier to achieve without the headwinds from the payoffs.
Matt Olney: Okay. That's helpful, Greg. And then, yeah.
Speaker #4: Okay. That's helpful,
Speaker #4: Greg. And then.
Speaker #5: Matt, hey,
Speaker #5: Matt, just a little more color on the loan growth in the fourth quarter. It is nice to see that it was kind of led by Southwest Louisiana and North Louisiana.
Jude Melville: Hey, Matt, just a little more color on the loan growth in the fourth quarters.
Operator: It was nice to see that it was kind of led by Southwest Louisiana and North Louisiana. We worked hard to build a footprint that's diversified. You think about that first from a credit perspective, but you also want to think about diversification from a production standpoint. It's interesting to track that over time. Certainly want to give those areas their due for contributing so much to the strong quarter on the production side. Texas is an important investment for us and will continue to be. We're hovering around 40% of our exposure there, which is a good, healthy number. But that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of good things happening in Louisiana as well. A lot of investments up and down the Mississippi River, and Meta making the major investment up in North Louisiana.
It was nice to see that it was kind of led by Southwest Louisiana and North Louisiana. We worked hard to build a footprint that's diversified. You think about that first from a credit perspective, but you also want to think about diversification from a production standpoint. It's interesting to track that over time. Certainly want to give those areas their due for contributing so much to the strong quarter on the production side. Texas is an important investment for us and will continue to be. We're hovering around 40% of our exposure there, which is a good, healthy number. But that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of good things happening in Louisiana as well. A lot of investments up and down the Mississippi River, and Meta making the major investment up in North Louisiana.
Speaker #5: We've worked hard to build a footprint that's diversified. You think about that first from a credit perspective, but you also want to think about diversification from a production standpoint.
Speaker #5: And it's interesting to track that over time, and certainly want to give those areas their due for contributing so much to the strong quarter on the production side.
Speaker #5: And Texas is an important investment for us, and will continue to be. We're hovering around 40% of our exposure there, which is a good, healthy number.
Speaker #5: And—but that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of good things happening in Louisiana as well. And a lot of investments up and down the Mississippi River, and Meta making the major investment up in North Louisiana, and so it's nice to see some of that paying off in terms of increased demand.
Operator: So it's nice to see some of that paying off in terms of increased demand. We look forward to a balanced production throughout our footprint over the next couple of years. Okay. Great. Thank you for that, Jude. Then I guess shifting over to the credit side, any more details you can disclose behind that relationship that went to non-performing? What drove the downgrade? It looks like a pretty decent-sized loan. Where does that loan rank among your larger relationships you have at the bank? Then, Jude, I think you mentioned in the prepared remarks there were some lessons learned when it comes to credit. Didn't know if that was speaking to this specific credit or just more broadly. If you could just expand on that. Thanks. Yeah.
So it's nice to see some of that paying off in terms of increased demand. We look forward to a balanced production throughout our footprint over the next couple of years.
Speaker #5: And we look forward to a balanced production throughout our footprint over the next couple of years.
Matt Olney: Okay. Great. Thank you for that, Jude. Then I guess shifting over to the credit side, any more details you can disclose behind that relationship that went to non-performing? What drove the downgrade? It looks like a pretty decent-sized loan. Where does that loan rank among your larger relationships you have at the bank? Then, Jude, I think you mentioned in the prepared remarks there were some lessons learned when it comes to credit. Didn't know if that was speaking to this specific credit or just more broadly. If you could just expand on that. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Okay, great. Thank you for that, Jude. And then, I guess shifting over to the credit side, are there any more details you can disclose behind that relationship that went to non-performing?
Speaker #4: What drove the downgrade? And it looks like a pretty decent-sized loan. Where does that loan rank among your larger relationships you have with the bank?
Speaker #4: And then Jude, I think you mentioned in the prepared remarks there were some lessons learned when it comes to credits. I didn't know if that was speaking to this specific credit or just more broadly.
Speaker #4: If you could just expand on that.
Speaker #4: Thanks. Sure.
Jude Melville: Yeah. Matt, the credit that we identified was, it's commercial real estate, a medical facility in the Houston area. We've been really dealing with it for the balance of the year. Got real close to resolution on it. We feel like we've marked it down to where the loss from here on out would be immaterial at this point. We just have moved that forward. I don't know that there's anything more to say about it than that. We've just been working with it for a while and thought we had a real resolution in hand, and it kind of kept dragging on. We decided to do the prudent thing and move it over. Where does that rank size-wise? Size-wise, I would say that's one of our larger, if not one of the largest, single commercial real estate exposures.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Matt, the credit that we identified was a commercial real estate medical facility in the Houston area. And we've been really dealing it's been we've been dealing with it for the balance of the year.
Operator: Matt, the credit that we identified was, it's commercial real estate, a medical facility in the Houston area. We've been really dealing with it for the balance of the year. Got real close to resolution on it. We feel like we've marked it down to where the loss from here on out would be immaterial at this point. We just have moved that forward. I don't know that there's anything more to say about it than that. We've just been working with it for a while and thought we had a real resolution in hand, and it kind of kept dragging on. We decided to do the prudent thing and move it over. Where does that rank size-wise? Size-wise, I would say that's one of our larger, if not one of the largest, single commercial real estate exposures.
Speaker #5: Got real close to resolution on it. We feel like we've marked it down to where the loss from here on out would be immaterial at this point.
Speaker #5: But we just have moved that forward. And I don't know that there's anything more to say about it than that. We've just been working with it for a while, and thought we had a real resolution in hand, and it kind of kept dragging on.
Speaker #5: So we decided to do the prudent thing and move it over.
Speaker #6: And where does that
Speaker #6: rank, size-wise? Size-wise, I would
Speaker #5: Say that's one of our larger, if not one of the largest, single commercial real estate deals.
Speaker #5: exposures. Yeah.
Speaker #6: I think it's the largest single that's for which we hold the exposure on our books. As you know, we try to actively participate exposures, particularly when they get to the $25 million level and certainly at this level, anything above this level, so.
Operator: Yeah, I think it's the largest single for which we hold the exposure on our books. As you know, we try to actively participate exposures, particularly when they get to the $20 to $25 million level, and certainly at this level, at anything above this level. So yeah, it's one of the larger ones. And if you think about lessons learned or things to continue to work with, I do think the biggest lesson in banking is just concentration risk and exposure risk. You can do everything right, and there's going to be something that happens to a certain number of credits. And if you look at banks that have failed or just been in serious trouble over the past 15 years, generally it comes down to a relatively small number of outsized credits.
Yeah, I think it's the largest single for which we hold the exposure on our books. As you know, we try to actively participate exposures, particularly when they get to the $20 to $25 million level, and certainly at this level, at anything above this level. So yeah, it's one of the larger ones. And if you think about lessons learned or things to continue to work with, I do think the biggest lesson in banking is just concentration risk and exposure risk. You can do everything right, and there's going to be something that happens to a certain number of credits. And if you look at banks that have failed or just been in serious trouble over the past 15 years, generally it comes down to a relatively small number of outsized credits.
Speaker #6: So yeah, it's one of the larger ones. And if you think about lessons learned or things to continue to work with, I do think the biggest lesson in banking is just concentration risk and exposure risk.
Speaker #6: You can do everything right, and there's going to be—there's going to be something that happens to certain credits. And if you look at banks that have failed or just been in serious trouble over the past 15 years, generally it comes down to a relatively small number of outsized credits.
Speaker #6: And so, one of the reasons that our metrics have moved around a little bit more than we would like—have been more volatile—is because the loans that we've had something happen on have been slightly bigger.
Operator: And so, one of the reasons that our metrics have moved around a little bit more than we would like, they've been more volatile, is because the loans that we've had something happen on have been slightly bigger. And so, not necessarily representative of the entire portfolio. It just feels worse when it hits the different stages of the life cycle of a credit that you're working through. So, I think a reinforcement of the idea that we want to, even as we continue to grow, we want to keep our individual loan exposures to manageable levels. And then, we also want to make sure that, on our concentrations from an industry perspective or a geography perspective, that we don't get too over-reliant upon any one particular type of loan.
And so, one of the reasons that our metrics have moved around a little bit more than we would like, they've been more volatile, is because the loans that we've had something happen on have been slightly bigger. And so, not necessarily representative of the entire portfolio. It just feels worse when it hits the different stages of the life cycle of a credit that you're working through. So, I think a reinforcement of the idea that we want to, even as we continue to grow, we want to keep our individual loan exposures to manageable levels. And then, we also want to make sure that, on our concentrations from an industry perspective or a geography perspective, that we don't get too over-reliant upon any one particular type of loan.
Speaker #6: And so not necessarily representative of the entire portfolio. It just feels worse when it hits the different stages of the life cycle of a credit that you're working through.
Speaker #6: So, I think a reinforcement of the idea that we want to, even as we continue to grow, keep our individual loan exposures to manageable levels.
Speaker #6: And then we also want to make sure that, on our concentrations from an industry perspective or a geography perspective, that we don't get too over-reliant upon any one particular type of loan.
Speaker #6: I think, and these are just generic, we’ve had a long period here where we haven’t had to really run many credit issues through any kind of process.
Operator: I think, and these are just generic, we've had a long period here where we haven't had to really run many credit issues through any kind of process. And so just as we kind of remember how to do that, if you will, there are going to be lessons learned about how aggressive you are when you see warning signs and how you do from a monitoring standpoint along the way. And not so much with this particular credit, as much as just general things that I think whatever stumbles we've had credit-wise over the past 12, 15 months will benefit us as we continue to make credit decisions along the way and continue to refine our processes as we continue to get bigger. Okay. Thank you, guys. Appreciate all the color. I'll step back. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt.
I think, and these are just generic, we've had a long period here where we haven't had to really run many credit issues through any kind of process. And so just as we kind of remember how to do that, if you will, there are going to be lessons learned about how aggressive you are when you see warning signs and how you do from a monitoring standpoint along the way. And not so much with this particular credit, as much as just general things that I think whatever stumbles we've had credit-wise over the past 12, 15 months will benefit us as we continue to make credit decisions along the way and continue to refine our processes as we continue to get bigger.
Speaker #6: And so, just as we kind of remember how to do that, if you will, there are going to be lessons learned about how aggressive you are when you see warning signs, and how you do from a monitoring standpoint along the way.
Speaker #6: And not so much with this particular credit, as much as just those are just general things that I think whatever stumbles we've had credit-wise over the past 12, 15 months will benefit us as we continue to make credit decisions along the way and continue to refine our processes as we continue to get—
Speaker #6: bigger. Okay.
Matt Olney: Okay. Thank you, guys. Appreciate all the color. I'll step back.
Speaker #4: Thank you, guys. Appreciate all the color. I'll step back.
Jude Melville: Thank you, Matt.
Speaker #5: Thank you, thank you, Matt. Matt.
Greg Robertson: Thank you, Matt.
Speaker #7: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rose with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Speaker #7: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rose with Raymond James. Your line is open. Hey, good—
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rose with Raymond James. Your line is open. Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Hey, Jude, you mentioned in the prepared remarks that the focus this year is going to be more so on daily execution versus any sort of major projects. I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but I might take that to mean, or someone might take that to mean, that maybe additional M&A opportunities may not be in the cards. Obviously, you've been fairly acquisitive here lately, but just wanted to get a better sense of kind of what that comment means and maybe if you can remind us on some of the projects that you've recently completed, and maybe just what that daily execution would mean. I know there's a lot in there, but hopefully you can provide some context.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rose with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Michael Rose: Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Hey, Jude, you mentioned in the prepared remarks that the focus this year is going to be more so on daily execution versus any sort of major projects. I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but I might take that to mean, or someone might take that to mean, that maybe additional M&A opportunities may not be in the cards. Obviously, you've been fairly acquisitive here lately, but just wanted to get a better sense of kind of what that comment means and maybe if you can remind us on some of the projects that you've recently completed, and maybe just what that daily execution would mean. I know there's a lot in there, but hopefully you can provide some context. Thanks.
Speaker #8: Afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Hey Jude, you mentioned in the prepared remarks that the focus this year is going to be more so on daily execution versus any sort of major projects.
Speaker #8: I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but I might take that to mean—or someone might take that to mean—that maybe additional M&A opportunities may not be in the cards.
Speaker #8: Obviously, you've been a fairly acquisitive here lately, but just wanted to get a better sense of kind of what that comment means and maybe if you can remind us on some of the projects that you've recently completed and maybe just what that daily execution would mean.
Speaker #8: But hopefully you can provide some context. I know there's a lot in there,
Speaker #8: Thanks. Yeah, sure.
Operator: Thanks. Yes, sir. Appreciate you asking that, actually. We had a busy year, busy number of years, but in particular this year, in addition to consummating and integrating an acquisition in Dallas and then consummating an acquisition in North Louisiana, we also did a lot of process improvement internally. Although we've talked about on these calls a few times the number of projects that we took on that are technology-related. So not only did we convert another bank, Oakwood, over the course of the year, we actually converted ourselves to a new platform, a new core platform, which was a two-year project and involved pretty much everybody in the bank. So it's a big deal. We also had three or four others, five or six in total implementations, which does take a certain amount of bandwidth and takes a certain amount of energy.
Jude Melville: Yes, sir. Appreciate you asking that, actually. We had a busy year, busy number of years, but in particular this year, in addition to consummating and integrating an acquisition in Dallas and then consummating an acquisition in North Louisiana, we also did a lot of process improvement internally. Although we've talked about on these calls a few times the number of projects that we took on that are technology-related. So not only did we convert another bank, Oakwood, over the course of the year, we actually converted ourselves to a new platform, a new core platform, which was a two-year project and involved pretty much everybody in the bank. So it's a big deal. We also had three or four others, five or six in total implementations, which does take a certain amount of bandwidth and takes a certain amount of energy.
Speaker #6: Appreciate you asking that. Actually, we had a busy year—a busy number of years—but in particular this year. In addition to consummating or integrating an acquisition in Dallas and then consummating an acquisition in North Louisiana, we also did a lot of process improvement internally. And although—as we've talked about on these calls a few times—the number of projects that we took on that are technology-related.
Speaker #6: So, not only did we convert another bank, Oakwood, over the course of the year, we actually converted ourselves to a new platform—a new core platform—which is a two-year project.
Speaker #6: And it involved pretty much everybody in the bank, so it's a big deal. And we also had three or four others—five or six in total—implementations, which does take a certain amount of bandwidth and takes a certain amount of energy.
Speaker #6: And there are things that we felt like we needed to do to be able to manage and run more effectively at $9 billion in size, over two states and a significant geography.
Operator: And there are things that we felt like we needed to do to be able to manage and run more effectively at $9 billion in size over two states and a significant geography versus what we could manage and run when we knew everybody, all the employees, and most of the clients that team had the relationships with. As you scale, you need better processes. And you want better visibility into numbers and managing by those things, including pricing software. As we're thinking about credit exposure, thinking in a more sophisticated way about what kind of profitability that incremental client adds to the bank's overall profitability is something that we're better at than we were before because of some of these implementations.
And there are things that we felt like we needed to do to be able to manage and run more effectively at $9 billion in size over two states and a significant geography versus what we could manage and run when we knew everybody, all the employees, and most of the clients that team had the relationships with. As you scale, you need better processes. And you want better visibility into numbers and managing by those things, including pricing software. As we're thinking about credit exposure, thinking in a more sophisticated way about what kind of profitability that incremental client adds to the bank's overall profitability is something that we're better at than we were before because of some of these implementations.
Speaker #6: Versus what we could manage and run when we knew everybody, followed all the employees, and most of the clients that team had the relationships with.
Speaker #6: As you scale, you need better processes. So we, and you, want better visibility into numbers and managing by those things, including pricing software. As we're thinking about credit exposure, thinking in a more sophisticated way about what kind of profitability that incremental client adds to the bank's overall profitability is something that we're better at than we were before because of some of these implementations.
Speaker #6: So, what I meant in my comments was, we don't really—although we'll always be incrementally upgrading and incrementally adding—we don't have any implementations that, in the aggregate, will be as substantial as we had last year.
Operator: So what I meant in my comments was we don't really, although we'll always be incrementally upgrading and incrementally adding, we don't have any implementations that in the aggregate will be as substantial as we had last year. We'll focus more this year on making sure that we're maximizing the output from the implementation process last year. So it's one thing to do it. It's another to then use it in an optimal manner. So we want to focus on making sure that we're actually making better decisions because of the data that we have. We want to make sure that we're providing better client service because of the systems that we've invested in. We want to make sure that our employees' efficiency and happiness around doing their job is enhanced.
So what I meant in my comments was we don't really, although we'll always be incrementally upgrading and incrementally adding, we don't have any implementations that in the aggregate will be as substantial as we had last year. We'll focus more this year on making sure that we're maximizing the output from the implementation process last year. So it's one thing to do it. It's another to then use it in an optimal manner. So we want to focus on making sure that we're actually making better decisions because of the data that we have. We want to make sure that we're providing better client service because of the systems that we've invested in. We want to make sure that our employees' efficiency and happiness around doing their job is enhanced.
Speaker #6: And we'll focus more this year on making sure that we're maximizing the output from the implementation process last year. So it's one thing to do it.
Speaker #6: It's another to then use it in an optimal manner. And so we want to focus on making sure that we're actually making better decisions because of the data that we have.
Speaker #6: We want to make sure that we're providing better client service because of the systems that we've invested in. And we want to make sure that our employees' efficiency and happiness around doing their job is enhanced, and that, we believe, involves taking a little bit of a breath and just making sure that we're maximizing the investments we've already made.
Operator: And that, we believe, involves taking a little bit of a breath and just making sure that we're maximizing the investments we've already made. On the M&A front, yeah, we're not prioritizing seeking another M&A alternative now. We've made a number of really what we believe to be really good investments and partners throughout the years. And we're beginning to see, we believe, we have the opportunity now to demonstrate why those good partners not only give us greater opportunity over time and diversified our risk, but also have been good financial partners leading to increased profitability. And sometimes the only way you can really demonstrate that is to pause the M&A for a second and kind of let the good things percolate and catch up with you. So we saw significant improvement in ROA over the course of 2024 or excuse me, 2025.
And that, we believe, involves taking a little bit of a breath and just making sure that we're maximizing the investments we've already made. On the M&A front, yeah, we're not prioritizing seeking another M&A alternative now. We've made a number of really what we believe to be really good investments and partners throughout the years. And we're beginning to see, we believe, we have the opportunity now to demonstrate why those good partners not only give us greater opportunity over time and diversified our risk, but also have been good financial partners leading to increased profitability. And sometimes the only way you can really demonstrate that is to pause the M&A for a second and kind of let the good things percolate and catch up with you. So we saw significant improvement in ROA over the course of 2024 or excuse me, 2025.
Speaker #6: On the M&A front, yeah, we're not prioritizing seeking another M&A alternative now. We've made a number of really what we believe to be really good investments and partners throughout the years.
Speaker #6: And we're beginning to see—we believe we have the opportunity now to demonstrate why those good partners not only give us greater opportunity over time and diversify our risk, but also have been good financial partners leading to increased profitability.
Speaker #6: And sometimes, on the way, you can really demonstrate that by pausing the M&A for a second and kind of letting the good things percolate and catch up with you.
Speaker #6: So we saw significant improvement in ROA over the course of 2024—or excuse me, 2025. And I shared with you last time that we intended to be, we intend to be, over a 1.2% ROA the last half of this year, 2026.
Operator: I shared with you last time that we intended to be we intend to be over a 1.2 ROA last half of this year, 2026. So that's become more of a focus for us than seeking to expand. We want to deepen the relationships that we have, which will in turn lead to greater profitability, which leads to greater tangible book value, which should lead to an enhanced share price. That gives you more optionality for M&A down the road. We're kind of at that point where we believe we've made a number of investments over the years. We want to be able to demonstrate what we know, which is that they were good investments that we've done well. We want to be able to prove that out a little bit through increased financial performance before we take on other initiatives.
I shared with you last time that we intended to be we intend to be over a 1.2 ROA last half of this year, 2026. So that's become more of a focus for us than seeking to expand. We want to deepen the relationships that we have, which will in turn lead to greater profitability, which leads to greater tangible book value, which should lead to an enhanced share price. That gives you more optionality for M&A down the road. We're kind of at that point where we believe we've made a number of investments over the years. We want to be able to demonstrate what we know, which is that they were good investments that we've done well. We want to be able to prove that out a little bit through increased financial performance before we take on other initiatives.
Speaker #6: And so that's become more of a focus for us than seeking to expand. We want to deepen the relationships that we have, which will in turn lead to greater profitability.
Speaker #6: Which leads to greater tangible book value, which should lead to an enhanced share price. And that gives you more optionality for M&A down the road.
Speaker #6: And so, that's kind of—we're kind of at that point where we believe we've made a number of investments over the years, and we want to see—we want to be able to demonstrate what we know, which is that they were good investments, that we've done well, and we want to be able to prove that out a little bit through increased financial performance before we take on other initiatives.
Speaker #6: So we're going to execute. We're going to work on the investments that we've made, and we're going to be good bankers day to day.
Operator: So we're going to execute. We're going to work on the investments that we've made. And we're going to be good bankers day to day. And that will translate into increased profitability that'll be sustainable. And that will give us more optionality to embark upon future projects down the road. Appreciate the comprehensive answer. Maybe just following up on one of those aspects on the capital front, it was good to see the buyback announcement you guys execute on it. How should we think about that going forward? You guys are trading at about 1.2 times tangible. The earnback on the buyback is, I would characterize as fairly attractive. Capital is really going to start to appear once the deals are fully integrated and the cost saves realized.
So we're going to execute. We're going to work on the investments that we've made. And we're going to be good bankers day to day. And that will translate into increased profitability that'll be sustainable. And that will give us more optionality to embark upon future projects down the road.
Speaker #6: And that will translate into increased profitability that'll be sustainable, and that will give us more optionality to embark upon future projects down the line.
Speaker #6: And that will translate into increased profitability that'll be sustainable, and that will give us more optionality to embark upon future projects down the road.
Michael Rose: Appreciate the comprehensive answer. Maybe just following up on one of those aspects on the capital front, it was good to see the buyback announcement you guys execute on it. How should we think about that going forward? You guys are trading at about 1.2 times tangible. The earnback on the buyback is, I would characterize as fairly attractive. Capital is really going to start to appear once the deals are fully integrated and the cost saves realized.
Speaker #3: Appreciate the comprehensive answer. Maybe just following up on one of those aspects on the capital front. It was good to see the buyback announcement—you guys execute on it.
Speaker #3: How should we think about that going forward? You guys are trading at about 1.2 times tangible. The earn-back on the buyback is, I would characterize, as fairly attractive. Capital is really going to start to appear once the deals are fully integrated and the cost saves realized.
Speaker #3: Should we think about you guys, at least in the near term, as kind of a regular-way buyer, just given where you are? I'm just trying to frame up the capital discussion.
Operator: Should we think about you guys, at least in the near term, as kind of a regular way buyer, just given where you are or just trying to frame up the capital discussion? Thanks. That's a great question. Obviously, something we're talking about at the board level and we'll continue to talk about. We were able to buy back about 150,000 shares in Q4 at what proved to be an attractive price of $24.70s kind of range. And those were more in the 110 to 115 ROA range or tangible book value multiple range. So I think I would certainly agree with your characterization of 120 still being a reasonable and even cheap price. And over the course of the year, we have more optionality on what we do with capital than we did last year.
Should we think about you guys, at least in the near term, as kind of a regular way buyer, just given where you are or just trying to frame up the capital discussion?
Speaker #3: Thanks.
Jude Melville: Thanks. That's a great question. Obviously, something we're talking about at the board level and we'll continue to talk about. We were able to buy back about 150,000 shares in Q4 at what proved to be an attractive price of $24.70s kind of range. And those were more in the 110 to 115 ROA range or tangible book value multiple range. So I think I would certainly agree with your characterization of 120 still being a reasonable and even cheap price. And over the course of the year, we have more optionality on what we do with capital than we did last year.
Speaker #2: And that's a great question, and obviously something we're talking about at the board level, and we'll continue to talk about. We were able to buy back about $150,000 of shares in the fourth quarter, and what proved to be attractive prices at the $24.70 kind of range.
Speaker #2: And those were more in the 1.10% to 1.15% ROA range, or tangible book value multiple range. So, I think—we certainly, I would certainly agree with your characterization of 1.20%.
Speaker #2: Still being a reasonable and even cheap price. And over the course of the year, we'll have more optionality on what we do with capital than we did last year. At last year, we had more than we had the year before, because we've been building up those capital levels.
Operator: Last year, we had more than we had the year before because we've been building up those capital levels. So we will definitely continue to look for opportunities on a quarterly basis. I don't see us just setting it and letting it go and saying, "We're going to buy back this number of shares no matter what." We do want to be we want to pick and choose when the right moments are. But certainly, I would think over the long run, anything below 120 would be an attractive price. Got it. Correct. One thing I'd add, Michael, is that when you think about Q1, we're going to take a little bit of a step back in tangible book on a per-share basis with Progressive closing. So it would be, I guess, an effective kind of slightly higher multiple right now than just 120.
Last year, we had more than we had the year before because we've been building up those capital levels. So we will definitely continue to look for opportunities on a quarterly basis. I don't see us just setting it and letting it go and saying, "We're going to buy back this number of shares no matter what." We do want to be we want to pick and choose when the right moments are. But certainly, I would think over the long run, anything below 120 would be an attractive price.
Speaker #2: So, we will definitely continue to look for opportunities on a quarterly basis. I don't see us just setting it and letting it go and saying we're going to buy back this number of shares no matter what.
Speaker #2: We do want to be able to pick and choose when the right moments are, but certainly I would think over the long run, anything below 120 would be attractive.
Speaker #2: price. Got
Michael Rose: Got it. Correct.
Speaker #3: it.
Greg Robertson: One thing I'd add, Michael, is that when you think about Q1, we're going to take a little bit of a step back in tangible book on a per-share basis with Progressive closing. So it would be, I guess, an effective kind of slightly higher multiple right now than just 120. Just something we're thinking about when we evaluate buybacks.
Speaker #3: One thing I'd correct, Michael, is that when you think about Q1, we're going to take a little bit of a step back in tangible book on a per-share basis with the Progressive closing.
Speaker #3: So it'd be, I guess, an effective kind of slightly higher multiple right now than just 120. That's something we're thinking about when we evaluate.
Operator: Just something we're thinking about when we evaluate buybacks. Perfect. Got it. At the outset, they said keep it to two follow-up questions. So I'm going to use that one. Just as we kind of think about hiring from here and the opportunity sets, just given some of the dislocation, you mentioned John Heine was hired as new Houston market president. Can you just frame up what you see as kind of the opportunity to hire? I think we've heard mixed messages from some banks. Some banks are being fairly aggressive. Some are saying take a wait-and-see approach. Just wanted to see how we should think about the opportunity set for you guys or is it just more opportunistic? Making a kind of a full-court press here. Thanks. Yeah. I think the answer actually is probably similar to the answer I just gave you on stock buybacks, right?
Speaker #3: buybacks. Perfect.
Michael Rose: Perfect. Got it. At the outset, they said keep it to two follow-up questions. So I'm going to use that one. Just as we kind of think about hiring from here and the opportunity sets, just given some of the dislocation, you mentioned John Heine was hired as new Houston market president. Can you just frame up what you see as kind of the opportunity to hire? I think we've heard mixed messages from some banks. Some banks are being fairly aggressive. Some are saying take a wait-and-see approach. Just wanted to see how we should think about the opportunity set for you guys or is it just more opportunistic? Making a kind of a full-court press here.
Speaker #4: Got it. At the outset, they said to keep it to two follow-up questions, so I'm going to use that one. Just as we kind of think about hiring from here and the opportunity set, just given some of the dislocation you mentioned, John, Heini was hired as New Houston market president.
Speaker #4: Can you just frame up what you see as kind of the opportunity to hire? I think we've heard mixed messages from some banks—some are being fairly aggressive, some are saying take a wait-and-see approach.
Speaker #4: Just wanted to see how we should think about the opportunity set for you guys, or is it just more opportunistic, making kind of a full-court press here?
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Jude Melville: Thanks. Yeah. I think the answer actually is probably similar to the answer I just gave you on stock buybacks, right?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I think
Speaker #2: The answer actually is probably similar to the answer I just gave you on stock buybacks, right? I think it's kind of—we're prepared to hire and would like to hire if they're the right people.
Operator: I think it's kind of a, we're prepared to hire and would like to hire if they're the right people. We don't feel any need to hire in order to hit our profitability targets and our growth targets; we don't necessarily have to hire to do that. But we do know that there are good people out there, and they're living in a more disruptive world than they were a year ago. And we know we also are a different bank than we were a year, two years, and three years ago in terms of our capabilities, which also means in terms of our attractiveness as an employer. So I want to continue to have conversations. I would expect that we will add another two or three in Houston over the next couple of months as we've had some conversations, and we'd like to bring those to fruition.
I think it's kind of a, we're prepared to hire and would like to hire if they're the right people. We don't feel any need to hire in order to hit our profitability targets and our growth targets; we don't necessarily have to hire to do that. But we do know that there are good people out there, and they're living in a more disruptive world than they were a year ago. And we know we also are a different bank than we were a year, two years, and three years ago in terms of our capabilities, which also means in terms of our attractiveness as an employer. So I want to continue to have conversations. I would expect that we will add another two or three in Houston over the next couple of months as we've had some conversations, and we'd like to bring those to fruition.
Speaker #2: We don't feel any need to hire in order to hit our profitability targets and our growth targets. We don't necessarily have to hire to do that, but we do know that there are good people out there, and they're living in a more disruptive world than they were a year ago.
Speaker #2: And we know we also are a different bank than we were a year, two years, and three years ago in terms of our capabilities, which also means in terms of our attractiveness as an employer.
Speaker #2: So, we want to continue to have conversations. I would expect that we will add another two or three in Houston over the next couple of months, as we've got some conversations and would like to bring those to fruition. And beyond that, it'll really be on a case-by-case basis.
Operator: Beyond that, it'll really be on a kind of case-by-case basis. We don't have to hire every banker in the world to do what we want to do in terms of financial performance. We just need to hire the right bankers. So we'll focus on evaluating that on a case-by-case basis as the opportunities arise. But I do think there will be opportunities, and we will be thoughtful about one reason we can afford to be a little less aggressive on M&A is that we believe that in our footprint, organic growth is going to be possible. Part of that is growing with our current staff, but part of that is incrementally adding some additional team members, teammates. So for the near future, we believe that's a more likely and profitable use of our capital than M&A. Great. Appreciate all the callouts. Step back. Thanks, Mike.
Beyond that, it'll really be on a kind of case-by-case basis. We don't have to hire every banker in the world to do what we want to do in terms of financial performance. We just need to hire the right bankers. So we'll focus on evaluating that on a case-by-case basis as the opportunities arise. But I do think there will be opportunities, and we will be thoughtful about one reason we can afford to be a little less aggressive on M&A is that we believe that in our footprint, organic growth is going to be possible. Part of that is growing with our current staff, but part of that is incrementally adding some additional team members, teammates. So for the near future, we believe that's a more likely and profitable use of our capital than M&A.
Speaker #2: We don't have to hire every banker in the world to do what we want to do in terms of financial performance; we just need to hire the right bankers.
Speaker #2: And so we'll focus on evaluating that on a case-by-case basis as the opportunities arise. But I do think there will be opportunities, and we will be thoughtful about it. One reason we've been afforded to be a little less aggressive on M&A is that we believe that, in our footprint, organic growth is going to be possible.
Speaker #2: And part of that is growing with our current staff, but part of that is incrementally adding some additional team members, teammates. And so, for the near future, we believe that's a more likely and profitable use of our capital than—
Speaker #2: M&A. Great.
Michael Rose: Great. Appreciate all the callouts. Step back.
Speaker #4: Appreciate all the color stuff
Speaker #4: back. Thanks,
Jude Melville: Thanks, Mike.
Speaker #2: Mike.
Speaker #1: Next question comes from the line of Fedi Strickland with Hovdy Group. Your line is open.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Feddie Strickland with Hovde Group. Your line is open. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Just wanted to start on the DDAs. I understand the public flows have an impact here, but I do still think they're down a little bit year over year. Can you talk through maybe what the opportunity might be to kind of grow those on a year-over-year basis, trying to account for some of the seasonality in those public funds flows? Yeah. I think a good question. I think we still see some migration from some of those non-interest-bearing accounts to interest-bearing. So not a huge piece of that business is actual accounts or losing accounts. I think it's more of migration. That has slowed over the course of 2025. With the addition of a Progressive Bank partnership, they have a nice amount of their deposit base is non-interest-bearing.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Feddie Strickland with Hovde Group. Your line is open.
Feddie Strickland: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Just wanted to start on the DDAs. I understand the public flows have an impact here, but I do still think they're down a little bit year over year. Can you talk through maybe what the opportunity might be to kind of grow those on a year-over-year basis, trying to account for some of the seasonality in those public funds flows?
Speaker #5: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Just wanted to start on the DDAs. I understand the public flows have an impact here, but I do still think they’re down a little bit year over year.
Speaker #5: Can you talk through maybe what the opportunity might be to kind of grow those on a year-over-year basis, trying to account for some of the seasonality in those public funds?
Speaker #5: Flows? Yeah, I think it's a good—
Jude Melville: Yeah. I think a good question. I think we still see some migration from some of those non-interest-bearing accounts to interest-bearing. So not a huge piece of that business is actual accounts or losing accounts. I think it's more of migration. That has slowed over the course of 2025. With the addition of a Progressive Bank partnership, they have a nice amount of their deposit base is non-interest-bearing.
Speaker #2: I think what we still see is some migration from some of those non-interest-bearing accounts to interest-bearing. So, not a huge piece of that business is actually accounts we're losing.
Speaker #2: I think it's more of migration. That has slowed over the course of 2025. With the addition of our progressive bank partnership, they have a nice amount of their deposit base that is non-interest-bearing.
Speaker #2: So, we should get some lift from that in the first quarter. We still have plans to continue to focus on elevating deposit gathering through treasury non-interest-bearing sources.
Operator: So we should get some lift from that in Q1. We still have plans to continue to focus on elevating deposit gathering through treasury non-interest-bearing sources. So it's something that we are looking at in 2026 as a big part of our plan of operation. But there has been some movement. Got it. That's really helpful. And just wanted to step back into the fees. Appreciate the guidance there. But obviously, the star of the show was the swap fees, and you saw brokerage commission fees, I think, up a little bit as well. What's kind of the level of opportunity in each of those areas and, I guess, contributions from SSW and the FedGroup as well? Yeah. We see opportunity in 2026 for that to continue to expand.
So we should get some lift from that in Q1. We still have plans to continue to focus on elevating deposit gathering through treasury non-interest-bearing sources. So it's something that we are looking at in 2026 as a big part of our plan of operation. But there has been some movement.
Speaker #2: So, it's something that we are looking at in '26 as a big part of our plan of operation. But there has been some movement.
Feddie Strickland: Got it. That's really helpful. And just wanted to step back into the fees. Appreciate the guidance there. But obviously, the star of the show was the swap fees, and you saw brokerage commission fees, I think, up a little bit as well. What's kind of the level of opportunity in each of those areas and, I guess, contributions from SSW and the FedGroup as well?
Speaker #3: Got it, that's really helpful. And just wanted to step back into the fees. Appreciate the guidance there. But obviously, the star of the show was the swap fees, and you saw brokerage commission fees, I think, up a little bit as well.
Speaker #3: What's kind of the level of opportunity in each of those areas? And I guess contributions from SSW and the Fed Group as well?
Speaker #3: well? Yeah, we see
Jude Melville: Yeah. We see opportunity in 2026 for that to continue to expand.
Speaker #2: Opportunity in 2026 for that to continue to expand. I think it's going to be like we've kind of really messaged for the last few quarters, that it will be a bumpy, upward-sloping trajectory, though.
Operator: I think it's going to be like we've kind of really messaged for the last few quarters that it will be a bumpy, upward-sloping trajectory, though, just like this last quarter was with the swap fees being outsized. I think what we're excited about is the continued integration of our SBA group, Waterstone out of the Houston area. There's some opportunity, we feel like, in that to continue to grow, not only with our bankers becoming more comfortable with SBA production, just the rate environment with SBA lending becoming economically more stable with a lower rate environment. So we're excited about that. I think also, we think the SSW group and the brokerage piece of our business, so to speak, we do continue to see it scaling. We've been investing over the last few years and more talent in that area. And I think we'll continue to invest.
I think it's going to be like we've kind of really messaged for the last few quarters that it will be a bumpy, upward-sloping trajectory, though, just like this last quarter was with the swap fees being outsized. I think what we're excited about is the continued integration of our SBA group, Waterstone out of the Houston area. There's some opportunity, we feel like, in that to continue to grow, not only with our bankers becoming more comfortable with SBA production, just the rate environment with SBA lending becoming economically more stable with a lower rate environment. So we're excited about that. I think also, we think the SSW group and the brokerage piece of our business, so to speak, we do continue to see it scaling. We've been investing over the last few years and more talent in that area. And I think we'll continue to invest.
Speaker #2: Just like this last quarter was, with the swap fees being outsized. I think what we're excited about is the continued integration of our SBA group, Waterstone, out of the Houston area.
Speaker #2: There's some opportunity. We feel like, in that, to continue to grow—not only with our bankers becoming more comfortable with SBA production, but also with the rate environment, with SBA lending becoming economically more stable in a lower rate environment.
Speaker #2: So we're excited about that. I think you're also—we think the SSW group and the brokerage piece of our business, so to speak, we do continue to see it scaling.
Speaker #2: We've been investing over the last few years in more talent in that area, and I think we'll continue to invest, so we do look at upside for that.
Operator: So we do look at upside for that. So I think non-interest income as a whole, we feel like that'll be in the mid to upper $13 million per quarter with the addition of the Progressive group. So we're comfortable understanding that it may be rocky going upward, but I think the trajectory is still we're excited about that upward slope. And one more, if I can squeeze it in, just on the loan growth and the growth in general coming from Southwest and Southeast Louisiana. Jude, I think you touched on that a little bit earlier on.
So we do look at upside for that. So I think non-interest income as a whole, we feel like that'll be in the mid to upper $13 million per quarter with the addition of the Progressive group. So we're comfortable understanding that it may be rocky going upward, but I think the trajectory is still we're excited about that upward slope.
Speaker #2: So, I think non-interest income as a whole, we feel like that'll be in the mid to upper $13 million per quarter with the addition of the Progressive Group.
Speaker #2: So we're comfortable understanding that it may be rocky going upward, but I think the trajectory is still—we're excited about that upward.
Speaker #2: Slope. And one more, if I can squeeze it in.
Feddie Strickland: And one more, if I can squeeze it in, just on the loan growth and the growth in general coming from Southwest and Southeast Louisiana. Jude, I think you touched on that a little bit earlier on.
Speaker #3: Just on the loan growth, and the growth in general coming from Southwest and Southeast Louisiana. Jude, I think you touched on that a little bit.
Speaker #3: Earlier on, but just curious—I mean, is it going to be a more balanced pace of growth, you feel like, going forward? That it's going to be sort of evenly balanced between Southern Louisiana and the Texas markets? Or is it just going to kind of differ from quarter to quarter depending on what's in the pipeline?
Operator: But just curious, I mean, is it going to be a more balanced pace of growth you feel like going forward, that it's going to be sort of evenly balanced between South Louisiana and the Texas markets, or is it just going to kind of differ from quarter to quarter depending on what's in the pipeline? I'm just curious whether that's a deliberate part of the strategy or that's just kind of how it shook out this quarter. Yeah. Well, the deliberate part of the strategy was building the footprint that we knew that not every market had to hit every moment in order to move forward. And building a footprint that didn't rely upon one market to carry the load all the time. I do think just based on demographics and differentials between economies, that there's more upward growth opportunity in Dallas and Houston. They're just faster-growing cities.
But just curious, I mean, is it going to be a more balanced pace of growth you feel like going forward, that it's going to be sort of evenly balanced between South Louisiana and the Texas markets, or is it just going to kind of differ from quarter to quarter depending on what's in the pipeline? I'm just curious whether that's a deliberate part of the strategy or that's just kind of how it shook out this quarter.
Speaker #3: I'm just curious whether that's a deliberate part of the strategy, or if that's just kind of how it shook out this time.
Speaker #3: quarter. Yeah, well, the deliberate part of the
Jude Melville: Yeah. Well, the deliberate part of the strategy was building the footprint that we knew that not every market had to hit every moment in order to move forward. And building a footprint that didn't rely upon one market to carry the load all the time. I do think just based on demographics and differentials between economies, that there's more upward growth opportunity in Dallas and Houston. They're just faster-growing cities.
Speaker #2: The strategy was building the footprint, knowing that not every market had to hit every moment. In order to move forward, we focused on delivering a footprint that didn't rely upon one market to carry the load all the time.
Speaker #2: I do think, just based on demographics and differentials between economies, that there's more upward growth opportunity in Dallas and Houston. That's just—they're just faster growing.
Speaker #2: Cities, and we have enough of a footprint in both that we'll be able to take advantage of that. But we've got good, core consistent growth in most of the Louisiana markets.
Operator: We have enough of a footprint in both that we'll be able to take advantage of that. But we've got good, core consistent growth in most of the Louisiana markets. So in a quarter in which one of our larger markets slowed down a little bit for whatever reason that is, Dallas was slower this quarter, then we'll have our more consistent markets across Louisiana there to give us some more predictability as we try to forecast out from a balance sheet perspective over time. So yeah, I guess to answer your question is, did we specifically say we need to grow Southwest Louisiana and North Louisiana faster in the fourth quarter than the other markets? No.
We have enough of a footprint in both that we'll be able to take advantage of that. But we've got good, core consistent growth in most of the Louisiana markets. So in a quarter in which one of our larger markets slowed down a little bit for whatever reason that is, Dallas was slower this quarter, then we'll have our more consistent markets across Louisiana there to give us some more predictability as we try to forecast out from a balance sheet perspective over time. So yeah, I guess to answer your question is, did we specifically say we need to grow Southwest Louisiana and North Louisiana faster in the fourth quarter than the other markets? No.
Speaker #2: So in a quarter in which one of our larger markets slowed down a little bit, for whatever reason that is—Dallas was slower this quarter.
Speaker #2: Then we'll have our more consistent markets across Louisiana there to give us some more predictability as we try to forecast out from a balance sheet perspective over time.
Speaker #2: So, I guess to answer your question, did we specifically say we need to grow Southwest Louisiana and North Louisiana faster in the fourth quarter than the other markets?
Speaker #2: No, but we did specifically try to build a constructive footprint in which we could have different parts of the footprint experiencing greater success at different times, which hopefully over time leads to a good, consistent, and moderate growth pace for the bank as a whole.
Operator: But we did specifically try to build or construct a footprint in which we could have different parts of the footprint experiencing greater success at different times, which hopefully over time leads to a good, consistent, moderate growth base for the bank as a whole. Yeah. Feddie, I think if you think about 2025 as a whole, we had both North Louisiana and Southwest Louisiana grow over $100 million in loans and deposits each. We're excited about Southwest Louisiana, now is over $2 billion in deposits, which is a large part of our deposit base and an important part of that. North Louisiana with that kind of growth as well, $100 million in deposits; they are now over $1 billion or approaching $1 billion in deposits. With the addition of our Progressive partners, that'll be approaching $2 billion. So we're excited about those areas.
But we did specifically try to build or construct a footprint in which we could have different parts of the footprint experiencing greater success at different times, which hopefully over time leads to a good, consistent, moderate growth base for the bank as a whole.
Greg Robertson: Yeah. Feddie, I think if you think about 2025 as a whole, we had both North Louisiana and Southwest Louisiana grow over $100 million in loans and deposits each. We're excited about Southwest Louisiana, now is over $2 billion in deposits, which is a large part of our deposit base and an important part of that. North Louisiana with that kind of growth as well, $100 million in deposits; they are now over $1 billion or approaching $1 billion in deposits. With the addition of our Progressive partners, that'll be approaching $2 billion. So we're excited about those areas.
Speaker #4: Yeah, Fede, I think if you think about 2025 as a whole, we had both North Louisiana and Southwest Louisiana grow over $100 million in loans and deposits each.
Speaker #4: And we're excited about Southwest Louisiana now. It is over $2 billion in deposits, which is a large part of our deposit base and an important part of that.
Speaker #4: North Louisiana, with that kind of growth as well, $100 million in deposits. They are now over a billion, or approaching a billion dollars in deposits, with the addition of our Progressive partners.
Speaker #4: That'll be approaching $2.2 billion. So we're excited about those areas.
Speaker #4: And. As I
Operator: And as I said, the Southwest Louisiana-Dallas comparison is an intriguing one because one of the theses behind the construction of our footprint was that not only would different areas produce differently at different times, but that we could be a little more thoughtful about funding generation versus loan generation depending upon what type of market. As Greg mentioned, Southwest Louisiana has been able to be more aggressive on deposits over the past two or three years, probably because we knew we had growth in the Dallas loan environment. Dallas is actually our largest market as measured by loan volume. In Southwest Louisiana, Fleet might be our largest market based on deposit volume. They've both been able to be slightly more aggressive because the other supports the other. It's a symbiotic relationship.
Jude Melville: And as I said, the Southwest Louisiana-Dallas comparison is an intriguing one because one of the theses behind the construction of our footprint was that not only would different areas produce differently at different times, but that we could be a little more thoughtful about funding generation versus loan generation depending upon what type of market. As Greg mentioned, Southwest Louisiana has been able to be more aggressive on deposits over the past two or three years, probably because we knew we had growth in the Dallas loan environment. Dallas is actually our largest market as measured by loan volume. In Southwest Louisiana, Fleet might be our largest market based on deposit volume. They've both been able to be slightly more aggressive because the other supports the other. It's a symbiotic relationship.
Speaker #2: Said, in Southwest Louisiana, Dallas, the comparison is an intriguing one because one of the DCs behind the construction of our footprint was that not only would different areas produce differently at different times, but that we could be a little more thoughtful about funding generation versus loan generation depending upon what type of market.
Speaker #2: So, as Greg mentioned, Southwest Louisiana has been able to be more aggressive on deposits over the past two or three years, partly because we knew we had growth in the Dallas loan environment.
Speaker #2: And so Dallas is actually our largest market as measured by loan volume. And in Southwest Louisiana, I believe it might be our largest market based on deposit volume.
Speaker #2: And they've both been able to be slightly more aggressive because the other supports the other. So it's a symbiotic relationship, and I know a lot of banks over time have talked about the rural versus the urban mix of their footprint and trying to get the best of both worlds.
Operator: And I know a lot of banks over time have talked about the rural versus the urban mix of their footprint and trying to get the best of both worlds. And I think we have some real-world examples of where that's working, which is, again, I think bodes well for the future. Yeah. I'd like to add one thing really quick. This is Jerry, by the way. Yeah. Jerry Vascocu here, Feddie. Just an important part of this is I want to call out; a lot of this growth is coming from adding new clients. It's not just legacy client base. It's tenured, strong bankers in our footprint, new bankers bringing in new clients is accounting for quite a bit of that growth, which is really nice to see in these markets that we've got such strength within. Yeah. And Feddie is still buying this up also.
And I know a lot of banks over time have talked about the rural versus the urban mix of their footprint and trying to get the best of both worlds. And I think we have some real-world examples of where that's working, which is, again, I think bodes well for the future.
Speaker #2: And I think we have some real-world examples of where that's working, which, again, I think bodes well for the future.
Jerry Vascocu: Yeah. I'd like to add one thing really quick. This is Jerry, by the way. Yeah. Jerry Vascocu here, Feddie. Just an important part of this is I want to call out; a lot of this growth is coming from adding new clients. It's not just legacy client base. It's tenured, strong bankers in our footprint, new bankers bringing in new clients is accounting for quite a bit of that growth, which is really nice to see in these markets that we've got such strength within. Yeah. And Feddie is still buying this up also.
Speaker #3: Yeah, I'd like to add one thing that really pops.
Speaker #3: Yeah, Jerry would—this is Jerry, by the way—ask you here, Fede. Just an important part of this is I want to call out, a lot of this growth is coming from adding new clients.
Speaker #3: It's not just our legacy client base. It's tenured, strong bankers in our footprint, new bankers—bringing in a new client is accounting for quite a bit of that growth, which is really nice to see.
Speaker #3: And in these markets that we've got such strength with,
Speaker #3: And in these markets that we've got such strength with them. Yeah, Fede, this is Phil.
Speaker #2: Bondersad also. Obviously, we're excited with the addition of John and the horsepower that he's going to bring to the Houston market. But in North Louisiana, we're excited about the progressive addition and the opportunity, as Jude talked about in '26, deepening our existing relationships—progressive, being able to deepen those relationships with bigger balance.
Operator: Obviously, we're excited with the addition of John and the horsepower that he's going to bring to the Houston market. But in North Louisiana, we're excited with the Progressive addition and the opportunity, as Jude talked about, in 2026, deepening our existing relationships, progressively deepening those relationships with a bigger balance sheet. Perfect. Thanks for all the additional color, guys. Thanks, Feddie. Next question comes from the line of Gary Tanner with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open. Thanks. Good afternoon. So my questions have largely been answered, but I wanted to just ask about the swap business again. As you think about that business, if and when we get to more of a steady-state rate environment, how do you see that business kind of trending in that sort of environment? Yeah. I think one of the things that the rate environment could provide some challenges.
Obviously, we're excited with the addition of John and the horsepower that he's going to bring to the Houston market. But in North Louisiana, we're excited with the Progressive addition and the opportunity, as Jude talked about, in 2026, deepening our existing relationships, progressively deepening those relationships with a bigger balance sheet.
Speaker #2: sheets. Perfect.
Feddie Strickland: Perfect. Thanks for all the additional color, guys.
Speaker #3: Thanks for all the additional color, guys.
Jude Melville: Thanks, Feddie.
Speaker #4: Thanks,
Speaker #4: Fede. Next question comes from the line of
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Gary Tanner with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Gary Tanner with D.A. Davidson, your line is open.
Gary Tanner: Thanks. Good afternoon. So my questions have largely been answered, but I wanted to just ask about the swap business again. As you think about that business, if and when we get to more of a steady-state rate environment, how do you see that business kind of trending in that sort of environment?
Speaker #4: Thanks. Good afternoon. So my questions have largely been answered, but I wanted to just ask about the swap business again. As you think about that business, if and when we get to more of a steady-state rate environment, how do you see that business kind of trending in that sort of
Speaker #4: Environment? Yeah, I think the one.
Greg Robertson: Yeah. I think one of the things that the rate environment could provide some challenges.
Speaker #6: Of the things that the rate environment could provide some challenges, but I think as we continue to scale and understand our philosophy around pricing and fixed-rate loan pricing with long duration, we would like to—and I think our bankers are becoming accustomed to—taking some of those rate bets off the table with longer duration deals.
Operator: But I think as we continue to scale and understand our philosophy around pricing and fixed-rate loan pricing with long duration, we would like to, and I think our bankers are becoming accustomed to taking some of those rate bets off the table with longer-duration deals. So I think as we continue to integrate that process, and it's a very new process within our bank being only a little over a year old, but I think as we integrate that process with our bankers and our new bankers and they understand that we would like to manage that rate risk on longer-maturity fixed-rate loans through the swap vehicle, I think that gives us, even in a rate environment that may be more challenging than what it has been, more opportunity. Yeah. So that's a good point. It's not just about the economic opportunity for the fee generation.
But I think as we continue to scale and understand our philosophy around pricing and fixed-rate loan pricing with long duration, we would like to, and I think our bankers are becoming accustomed to taking some of those rate bets off the table with longer-duration deals. So I think as we continue to integrate that process, and it's a very new process within our bank being only a little over a year old, but I think as we integrate that process with our bankers and our new bankers and they understand that we would like to manage that rate risk on longer-maturity fixed-rate loans through the swap vehicle, I think that gives us, even in a rate environment that may be more challenging than what it has been, more opportunity.
Speaker #6: So I think as we continue to integrate that process—and it's a very new process within our bank, being only a little over a year old—but I think as we integrate that process with our bankers, and our new bankers, and they understand that we would like to manage that rate risk on longer maturity fixed rate loans through the swap vehicle, I think that gives us, even in a rate environment that may be more challenging than what it has been, more opportunity.
Jude Melville: Yeah. So that's a good point. It's not just about the economic opportunity for the fee generation. It's also an opportunity to offer the client more options even while we put ourselves in a better place to manage our interest rate risk. It's important, one reason we added that chart that Matt described earlier, I believe, or maybe it was Greg that described earlier, the chart showing the pretty consistent NIM over time was we don't believe that we should be taking significant interest rate risk. We've managed not only the bank's entire balance sheet, but our investment portfolio in particular. We manage it for cash flow as consistent, predictable cash flow as opposed to yield. I think we've had good results not trying to guess on rates. This enables us to give the client what they might want in terms of longer-term predictability of rates, but still enables us to have more flexibility in the construction of our outgoing posture.
Speaker #2: Yeah, so that's a good point. It's not just about the economic opportunity for the fee generation. It's also an opportunity to offer the client more options, even while we put ourselves in a better place to manage our interest rate risk.
Operator: It's also an opportunity to offer the client more options even while we put ourselves in a better place to manage our interest rate risk. It's important, one reason we added that chart that Matt described earlier, I believe, or maybe it was Greg that described earlier, the chart showing the pretty consistent NIM over time was we don't believe that we should be taking significant interest rate risk. We've managed not only the bank's entire balance sheet, but our investment portfolio in particular. We manage it for cash flow as consistent, predictable cash flow as opposed to yield. I think we've had good results not trying to guess on rates. This enables us to give the client what they might want in terms of longer-term predictability of rates, but still enables us to have more flexibility in the construction of our outgoing posture.
Speaker #2: It's important—one reason we added that chart that Matt described earlier, I believe, or maybe it was Greg that described earlier—the chart showing the pretty consistent trend over time—was we don't believe that we should be taking significant interest rate risk.
Speaker #2: And we've managed not only the bank's entire balance sheet, but our investment portfolio in particular—we've managed it for cash flow, consistent, predictable cash flow as opposed to yield.
Speaker #2: And I think we've had good results not trying to guess on rates. And so, this enables us to give the client what they might want in terms of longer-term predictability of rates, but still enables us to have more flexibility in the construction of our ALCO posture.
Speaker #2: I would also say, although certainly the lower rates mean that maybe there's less swap activity and more SBA activity, the other dynamic for us is that we don't just do these things for ourselves, for our own clients, but we also do them for other banks.
Operator: I would also say, although certainly the lower rates mean that maybe less swap activity, more SBA activity. The other dynamic for us is that we don't just do these things for ourselves, for our own clients, but we also do them for other banks. And so with the swap product, we are just now—I think just yesterday, in fact, we closed one for one of our first ones for the client of another bank, another institution in our community bank network. Over the end of last year, we actually closed a couple swaps for other banks, not for their clients, but for their own balance sheets.
I would also say, although certainly the lower rates mean that maybe less swap activity, more SBA activity. The other dynamic for us is that we don't just do these things for ourselves, for our own clients, but we also do them for other banks. And so with the swap product, we are just now—I think just yesterday, in fact, we closed one for one of our first ones for the client of another bank, another institution in our community bank network. Over the end of last year, we actually closed a couple swaps for other banks, not for their clients, but for their own balance sheets.
Speaker #2: And so, with the swap product, we are just now—I think just yesterday, in fact—we closed one of our first ones for the client of another bank, another institution in our community bank network, over the end of last year.
Speaker #2: We actually closed a couple of swaps for other banks, not for their clients, but for their own balance sheets. And so, as we were able to discuss with and educate our banker partners on the opportunities to provide more optionality to their clients, I would think that we will continue to see success growing the volume of swaps, even if it ends up being a faster rate of growth on our own balance sheet as opposed to with our direct clients.
Operator: And so as we are able to discuss with and educate our banker partners on the opportunities to provide more optionality to their clients, I would think that we would continue to see success growing the volume of swaps, even if it ends up faster rate of growth off our balance sheet as opposed to with our direct clients. Great. Thank you. And our last question. I was going to say real quick on the correspondent banking, I think our biggest opportunity—we have about a little over 175 to 180 clients. But with most of them, we just do probably just one thing for the vast majority. And so part of our biggest opportunity there that we've been working on is having more of a unified sales approach so that we can actually increase the share of wallet, if you will, and provide multiple opportunities.
And so as we are able to discuss with and educate our banker partners on the opportunities to provide more optionality to their clients, I would think that we would continue to see success growing the volume of swaps, even if it ends up faster rate of growth off our balance sheet as opposed to with our direct clients.
Gary Tanner: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Great. Thank you.
Operator: And our last question.
Speaker #5: And our last question.
Speaker #2: I was going to say, real quick, on the correspondent banking— I think our biggest opportunity is that we have a little over 175, maybe 180 clients. And so with most of them, we just do probably just one thing for the vast majority.
Jude Melville: I was going to say real quick on the correspondent banking, I think our biggest opportunity—we have about a little over 175 to 180 clients. But with most of them, we just do probably just one thing for the vast majority. And so part of our biggest opportunity there that we've been working on is having more of a unified sales approach so that we can actually increase the share of wallet, if you will, and provide multiple opportunities.
Speaker #2: And so, part of our biggest opportunity there that we've been working on is having more of a unified sales approach, so that we can actually increase the share of wallet, if you will, and provide multiple opportunities.
Speaker #2: So most of the folks that we've done SBA with, we haven't done swaps with. And vice versa, or the other products that we offer. Our largest one, actually—and our original one—was through our affiliate SSW, who manages other banks' investment portfolios.
Operator: So most of the folks that we've done SBA with, we haven't done swaps with, and vice versa or the other products that we offer. Our largest one, actually, and our original one was through our affiliate SSW, who manages other banks' investment portfolios. We have $6 to 7 billion in assets under management. And being able to cross-sell the different products that we've been working on adding to our toolset, I think, is the biggest opportunity that we have regardless of the demographic or economic changes in the environment. And our last question comes from the line of Christopher Marinac with Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is open. Hey, thanks for taking the questions this afternoon. I wanted to go back to the reserve. What should be the reserve ratio over time?
So most of the folks that we've done SBA with, we haven't done swaps with, and vice versa or the other products that we offer. Our largest one, actually, and our original one was through our affiliate SSW, who manages other banks' investment portfolios. We have $6 to 7 billion in assets under management. And being able to cross-sell the different products that we've been working on adding to our toolset, I think, is the biggest opportunity that we have regardless of the demographic or economic changes in the environment.
Speaker #2: We have $6 to $7 billion in assets under management. And being able to cross-sell the different products that we've been working on adding to our toolset, I think, is the biggest opportunity that we have regardless of the demographic or economic changes in the environment.
Operator: And our last question comes from the line of Christopher Marinac with Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: And our last question comes from the line of Christopher Marina with Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is open.
Christopher Marinac: Hey, thanks for taking the questions this afternoon. I wanted to go back to the reserve. What should be the reserve ratio over time? Just looking at kind of annualized losses this quarter, last quarter, and just thinking about three and a half, four-year average life, should the reserve be higher over time, even if we included the discount as you have on the deck?
Speaker #4: Hey, thanks for taking the questions this afternoon. I wanted to go back to the reserve. What should be the reserve ratio over time? Just looking at kind of annualized losses this quarter and last quarter, and just thinking about three-and-a-half, four-year average life, should the reserve be higher over time, even if we included the discount as you have on the deck?
Operator: Just looking at kind of annualized losses this quarter, last quarter, and just thinking about three and a half, four-year average life, should the reserve be higher over time, even if we included the discount as you have on the deck? Yeah. I think that's a great question, Chris. I think what we talk about internally is continuing to move that reserve to 1% or higher. I think the charge-offs that we had in this quarter took it down a few basis points. But I think internally, we're reserving at a rate of 120 on every new loan we make. So over time, we would like that to be above 1%. I think that's our intentions as well. And especially when you add the credit marks in there, I think we're currently all in about 106 like we show in the deck.
Jude Melville: Yeah. I think that's a great question, Chris. I think what we talk about internally is continuing to move that reserve to 1% or higher. I think the charge-offs that we had in this quarter took it down a few basis points. But I think internally, we're reserving at a rate of 120 on every new loan we make. So over time, we would like that to be above 1%. I think that's our intentions as well. And especially when you add the credit marks in there, I think we're currently all in about 106 like we show in the deck. And that'll continue to move up with the closing of the Progressive transaction.
Speaker #6: Yeah, I think that's a great question, Chris. I think what we talk about internally is continuing to move that reserve to 1% or higher.
Speaker #6: I think the charge-offs that we had in this quarter took it down a few basis points, but I think internally, we're reserving at a rate of 120 on every new loan we make.
Speaker #6: So, over time, we would like that to be above 1%. I think that's our intention as well. And especially when you add the credit marks in there—I think we're currently all in at about 1.06%, like we show in the deck.
Speaker #6: And that'll continue to move up with the closing of the Progressive transaction.
Operator: And that'll continue to move up with the closing of the Progressive transaction. Got it. And should annualized losses be somewhere kind of in the mid-teens or 20, or do you have a thought about that? Yeah. We would think those would be somewhere in the lower teens to mid-teens next year. I think 10 to 12 basis points of annualized losses is what we're kind of thinking. We ended up the year at about 19 basis points. And so we've kind of, as we work through some of those NPLs, we've identified paths to move those off with minimal to no loss. So it's just a matter of time unwinding some of those. We took some losses on them last year and have some specific reserves as well, so. Yeah. Okay. There could be a bit of a drag in terms of the actual recoveries.
Christopher Marinac: Got it. And should annualized losses be somewhere kind of in the mid-teens or 20, or do you have a thought about that?
Speaker #4: Got it. And should annualized losses be somewhere kind of in the mid-teens or 20, or do you have a thought about that?
Jude Melville: Yeah. We would think those would be somewhere in the lower teens to mid-teens next year. I think 10 to 12 basis points of annualized losses is what we're kind of thinking. We ended up the year at about 19 basis points. And so we've kind of, as we work through some of those NPLs, we've identified paths to move those off with minimal to no loss. So it's just a matter of time unwinding some of those.
Speaker #6: Yeah, we would think those would be somewhere in the lower teens to mid-teens next year. I think 10 to 12 basis points of annualized losses.
Speaker #6: That's what we're kind of thinking. We ended up the year at about 19 basis points, and so we've kind of, as we work through some of those NPLs, we've identified paths to move those off with minimal to no loss.
Speaker #6: So it's just a matter of time, and unwinding some of those.
Greg Robertson: We took some losses on them last year and have some specific reserves as well, so.
Speaker #2: We took some losses on them last year and have some specific reserves as well.
Speaker #2: We took some losses on them last year, and have some specific reserves as well.
Jerry Vascocu: Yeah. Okay. There could be a bit of a drag in terms of the actual recoveries. So, gross to Greg's point is maybe in the mid-teens, and that kind of lower to low double digits annualized.
Speaker #2: Yeah, there, okay. Yeah, could be a bit of a drag in terms of the actual recoveries. So, gross—to Greg's point—is maybe in the mid-teens; net, kind of lower to low double digits.
Operator: So, gross to Greg's point is maybe in the mid-teens, and that kind of lower to low double digits annualized. Chris, I think the days of us operating in the four to five basis points of charge-offs. That's going to be tough going forward, I think, just for the industry as a whole. Sure. Yep. Great. And the last question just has to do with kind of efficiency goals over time. If you look at expenses to assets, you've made a little bit of progress in the last year. Obviously, you've got integrating with Progressive. But just in the big picture, do you think we'll see more leverage going through the platform this next 12 to 18 months? Yeah. I think our plan is to continue to improve operating leverage.
Speaker #2: Annualized.
Jude Melville: Chris, I think the days of us operating in the four to five basis points of charge-offs. That's going to be tough going forward, I think, just for the industry as a whole.
Speaker #6: Chris, I think the days of us operating in the four to five basis points of charge-offs—that's going to be tough going forward. I think just for the industry as a whole.
Speaker #4: Sure. Yep. Great. And the last question just has to do with kind of efficiency goals over time. If you look at expenses to assets, you've made a little bit of progress in the last year.
Christopher Marinac: Sure. Yep. Great. And the last question just has to do with kind of efficiency goals over time. If you look at expenses to assets, you've made a little bit of progress in the last year. Obviously, you've got integrating with Progressive. But just in the big picture, do you think we'll see more leverage going through the platform this next 12 to 18 months?
Speaker #4: Obviously, you've got integrating with Progressive, but just in the big picture, do you think we'll see more leverage going through the platform this next 12 to 18?
Speaker #4: months? Yeah, I
Greg Robertson: Yeah. I think our plan is to continue to improve operating leverage. I think as Jude mentioned, we're moving toward being able to have a run rate of fourth quarter 120 run rate. I think if that's achieved, then I think that thing gets close to 60 on an annualized basis. And then you'll probably start seeing on a monthly basis into the 50s post-integration of Progressive here and there as we continue to improve performance and earnings throughout the balance of the second half of the year. As we get into 2027, we would expect that our goal is to have that into the 50s. And I think once you kind of achieve those third quarter, fourth quarter, 2026 ROA targets that we've been talking about, then there's a pretty natural glide path into the 50s. And I think that we feel like it's very achievable and necessary.
Speaker #6: I think our plan is to continue to improve operating leverage. I think, as Jude mentioned, we're moving toward being able to have a run rate in the fourth quarter of 120 run rate.
Operator: I think as Jude mentioned, we're moving toward being able to have a run rate of fourth quarter 120 run rate. I think if that's achieved, then I think that thing gets close to 60 on an annualized basis. And then you'll probably start seeing on a monthly basis into the 50s post-integration of Progressive here and there as we continue to improve performance and earnings throughout the balance of the second half of the year. As we get into 2027, we would expect that our goal is to have that into the 50s. And I think once you kind of achieve those third quarter, fourth quarter, 2026 ROA targets that we've been talking about, then there's a pretty natural glide path into the 50s. And I think that we feel like it's very achievable and necessary. Great. Thank you again, guys. Appreciate you taking the time. Thanks, Chris.
Speaker #6: I think if that's achieved, then I think that thing gets close to 60 on an annualized basis. And then you'll probably start seeing, on a monthly basis, into the 50s post-integration of Progressive.
Speaker #6: Here and there, as we continue to prove and improve performance and earnings throughout the balance of the second half of the year. As we get into '27, we would expect that our goal is to have that end at the 50s.
Speaker #6: And I think there's, once you kind of achieve those third quarter, fourth quarter, 26 ROA targets that we've been talking about, then there's a pretty natural glide path into the 50s.
Speaker #6: And I think that we feel like it's very
Speaker #6: achievable. And necessary.
Speaker #4: Great. Great. Thank you again, guys. Appreciate you taking the time.
Christopher Marinac: Great. Thank you again, guys. Appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker #4: the time. Thanks,
Jude Melville: Thanks, Chris. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Chris.
Operator: Thank you. That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to Jude Melville for closing remarks. Okay. Well, thanks again, everybody, for joining us. I realize you have choices to make on your time and your attention, and I appreciate you spending this hour with us. Very pleased with the quarter and how we ended the year and matched up well with our expectations of building momentum over the course of the year. And I look forward to seeing that momentum continue in 2026. So thank you all again, and hope you have a great end of the week. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining in. You may now disconnect.
Operator: That concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to Jude Melville for closing remarks.
Speaker #5: That concludes the Q&A session. I would like to turn the call back over to Jude Melville for closing remarks.
Jude Melville: Okay. Well, thanks again, everybody, for joining us. I realize you have choices to make on your time and your attention, and I appreciate you spending this hour with us. Very pleased with the quarter and how we ended the year and matched up well with our expectations of building momentum over the course of the year. And I look forward to seeing that momentum continue in 2026. So thank you all again, and hope you have a great end of the week.
Speaker #2: Okay. Well, thanks again, everybody, for joining us. I realize you have choices to make on your time and your attention, and I appreciate you spending this hour with us.
Speaker #2: Very pleased with the quarter and how we ended the year. And it matched up well with our expectations of building momentum over the course of the year.
Speaker #2: And I look forward to seeing that momentum continue in 2026. So thank you all again, and hope you have a great end of the year.
Speaker #2: week. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining in. You may now disconnect.
