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Q4 2025 Customers Bancorp Inc EarningsCall
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Speaker #2: Good morning. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to the Customers Bancorp 2025 Q4 and year-end earnings report. My name is Devon, and I will be your call moderator for today.
Operator: Good morning. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to the Customers Bancorp 2025 Q4 and year-end earnings report. My name is Devin, and I will be your call moderator for today. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the call over to Philip Watkins, Executive Vice President, Head of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good morning. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to the Customers Bancorp 2025 Q4 and year-end earnings report. My name is Devin, and I will be your call moderator for today. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the call over to Philip Watkins, Executive Vice President, Head of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #2: To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the call over to Philip Watkins, Executive Vice President, Head of Corporate Development and Investor Relations.
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Speaker #2: Please go ahead. Thanks, Devon, and good morning.
Philip Watkins: Thanks, Devin, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for the Customers Bancorp's earnings webcast for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. The presentation you will see during today's webcast has been posted on the investors' web page of the bank's website at www.customersbank.com. You can scroll to fourth quarter and full year 2025 results and click download presentation. You can also download a PDF of the full press release at this spot. Before we begin, we would like to remind you that some of the statements we make today may be considered forward-looking statements under applicable securities laws. These forward-looking statements are subject to change and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual performance results to differ materially from what is currently anticipated.
Philip Watkins: Thanks, Devin, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for the Customers Bancorp's earnings webcast for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. The presentation you will see during today's webcast has been posted on the investors' web page of the bank's website at www.customersbank.com. You can scroll to fourth quarter and full year 2025 results and click download presentation. You can also download a PDF of the full press release at this spot. Before we begin, we would like to remind you that some of the statements we make today may be considered forward-looking statements under applicable securities laws. These forward-looking statements are subject to change and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual performance results to differ materially from what is currently anticipated.
Speaker #3: Everyone, thank you for joining us for the Customers Bancorp's earnings webcast for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. The presentation you will see during today's webcast has been posted on the Investors webpage of the bank's website, at www.customersbank.com.
Speaker #3: You can scroll to fourth quarter and full year 2025 results, and click 'Download Presentation.' You can also download a PDF of the full press release at this spot.
Speaker #3: Before we begin, we would like to remind you that some of the statements we make today may be considered forward-looking statements under applicable securities laws.
Speaker #3: These forward-looking statements are subject to change and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual performance results to differ materially from what is currently anticipated.
Speaker #3: Please note that these forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this presentation, and we undertake no obligation to update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events, except to the extent required by applicable securities laws.
Philip Watkins: Please note that these forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this presentation, and we undertake no obligation to update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events, except to the extent required by applicable securities laws. Please refer to our SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Q, and our current reports on Form 8-K for a more detailed description of the assumptions and risk factors related to our business. Copies of these filings may be obtained from the SEC or by visiting the investor relations section of our website. At this time, it is my pleasure to introduce Customers Bancorp Executive Chairman, Jay Sidhu.
Please note that these forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this presentation, and we undertake no obligation to update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events, except to the extent required by applicable securities laws. Please refer to our SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Q, and our current reports on Form 8-K for a more detailed description of the assumptions and risk factors related to our business. Copies of these filings may be obtained from the SEC or by visiting the investor relations section of our website. At this time, it is my pleasure to introduce Customers Bancorp Executive Chairman, Jay Sidhu.
Speaker #3: Please refer to our SEC filings, including our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Q, and our current reports on Form 8-K for a more detailed description of the assumptions and risk factors related to our business.
Speaker #3: Copies of these filings may be obtained from the SEC or by visiting the Investor Relations section of our website. At this time, it is my pleasure to introduce Customers Bancorp Executive Chairman, Jay Sidhu.
Speaker #4: Thank you so much, Phil, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I, too, want to welcome you to the Customers Bancorp fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call.
Jay Sidhu: Thank you so much, Phil, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I do want to welcome you to the Customers Bancorp fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. Hope you've all had a great start to 2026. I'm joined this morning by Customers Bank and Bancorp CEO, Sam Sidhu, and Customers Bank and Bancorp CFO, Mark McCollum. I'd like to start by congratulating Sam again on his appointment as CEO and also to the Board of Directors of Customers Bancorp. The Board of Directors and I are delighted with this transition, which has been in the works since we began our succession planning exercise at the board level over five years ago. We have every confidence that Sam and the team that he has assembled will continue to build upon the incredible results we have achieved over the past few years.
Jay Sidhu: Thank you so much, Phil, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I do want to welcome you to the Customers Bancorp fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. Hope you've all had a great start to 2026. I'm joined this morning by Customers Bank and Bancorp CEO, Sam Sidhu, and Customers Bank and Bancorp CFO, Mark McCollum. I'd like to start by congratulating Sam again on his appointment as CEO and also to the Board of Directors of Customers Bancorp. The Board of Directors and I are delighted with this transition, which has been in the works since we began our succession planning exercise at the board level over five years ago. We have every confidence that Sam and the team that he has assembled will continue to build upon the incredible results we have achieved over the past few years.
Speaker #4: Hope you've all had a great start to 2026. I'm joined this morning by Customers Bank and Bancorp CEO, Samvir Sidhu, and Customers Bank and Bancorp CFO, Mark McCollom.
Speaker #4: I'd like to start by congratulating Sam again on his appointment as CEO, and also to the board of directors of Customers Bancorp. The board of directors and I are delighted with this transition, which has been in the works since we began our succession planning exercise at the board level over five years ago.
Speaker #4: We have every confidence that Sam and the team that he has assembled will continue to build upon the incredible results we have achieved over the past few years.
Speaker #4: Since we founded this bank in late 2009, the journey has been exciting. With a clear vision and a lot of determination, what began as an approximately $175 million troubled, failing bank has now grown into a $25 billion asset institution.
Jay Sidhu: Since we founded this bank in late 2009, the journey has been exciting. With a clear vision and a lot of determination, what began as an approximately $175 million troubled, failing bank has now grown into a $25 billion asset institution recognized for its unique single-point-of-contact strategy, its exceptional customer service focus, and a forward-thinking approach to technology. That success did not happen by chance. It's the direct result of superior execution by a world-class team. We have consistently put customers first and built a best-in-class risk management infrastructure while embracing innovation and change. Moving to slide 4, we are pleased to report another quarter and a very strong quarter and a very impressive full year of 2025, which Sam and Mark will talk through in more detail. As you know, our 2025 core EPS was $7.61 a share and up from $5.60 a share in 2024.
Since we founded this bank in late 2009, the journey has been exciting. With a clear vision and a lot of determination, what began as an approximately $175 million troubled, failing bank has now grown into a $25 billion asset institution recognized for its unique single-point-of-contact strategy, its exceptional customer service focus, and a forward-thinking approach to technology. That success did not happen by chance. It's the direct result of superior execution by a world-class team. We have consistently put customers first and built a best-in-class risk management infrastructure while embracing innovation and change. Moving to slide 4, we are pleased to report another quarter and a very strong quarter and a very impressive full year of 2025, which Sam and Mark will talk through in more detail. As you know, our 2025 core EPS was $7.61 a share and up from $5.60 a share in 2024.
Speaker #4: Recognized for its unique single-point-of-contact strategy, its exceptional customer service focus, and a forward-thinking approach to technology. That success did not happen by chance.
Speaker #4: It's the direct result of superior execution by a world-class team. We have consistently put customers first and built a best-in-class risk management infrastructure, while embracing innovation and change.
Speaker #4: Moving to slide four, we are pleased to report another quarter, and a very strong quarter, and a very impressive full year of 2025, which Sam and Mark will talk through in more detail.
Speaker #4: As you know, our 2025 core EPS was $7.61 a share, up from $5.60 a share in 2024. Before the discussion of the details of 2025 with you, I wanted to spend some time putting into perspective our performance over the past few years.
Jay Sidhu: Before I discuss the details of 2025 with you, I wanted to spend some time putting into perspective our performance over the past few years. Customers Bank has been one of the strongest organic growth stories in the entire industry, and we see no reason that will change in the years to come. We've had incredible deposit-led growth in our balance sheet with low-cost core deposits growing at a 16% compounded annual rate over the last six years. And we did this while materially improving the quality of our deposit franchise, as you will hear much more about that later from Sam and Mark. Moving to slide five, we highlight that we believe is the clearest way to evaluate sustainable franchise value creation: long-term compounding returns in revenue, earnings, and tangible book value.
Before I discuss the details of 2025 with you, I wanted to spend some time putting into perspective our performance over the past few years. Customers Bank has been one of the strongest organic growth stories in the entire industry, and we see no reason that will change in the years to come. We've had incredible deposit-led growth in our balance sheet with low-cost core deposits growing at a 16% compounded annual rate over the last six years. And we did this while materially improving the quality of our deposit franchise, as you will hear much more about that later from Sam and Mark. Moving to slide five, we highlight that we believe is the clearest way to evaluate sustainable franchise value creation: long-term compounding returns in revenue, earnings, and tangible book value.
Speaker #4: Customers Bank has been one of the strongest organic growth stories in the entire industry, and we see no reasons that will change in the years to come.
Speaker #4: We've had incredible deposit-led growth in our balance sheet with low-cost core deposits, growing at a 16% compounded annual rate over the last six years.
Speaker #4: And we did this while materially improving the quality of our deposit franchise, as you will hear much more about that later from Sam and Mark.
Speaker #4: Moving to slide five, we highlight what we believe is the clearest way to evaluate sustainable franchise value creation: long-term compounding returns in revenue, earnings, and tangible book value.
Speaker #4: We've been an industry leader in growing these metrics by a number of years now for a number of years. We are the number one compounder of core earnings per share over the last six years, which represent outstanding performance against the peer medium and so we performed over five times better than the peer median and we performed over three times better than the top quartile.
Jay Sidhu: We've been an industry leader in growing these metrics by a number of years now for a number of years. We are the No. 1 compounder of core earnings per share over the last 6 years, which represents outstanding performance against the peer median. So we performed over 5 times better than the peer median, and we performed over 3 times better than the top quartile. Similarly, tangible book value per share compounding is the No. 2 among the entire peer group and represents outperformance of the peer median by about 3 times and the top quartile by over 2 times. Finally, on slide 6, our core strategy has translated into significantly improved profitability over the last several years. Our margin increased by 57 basis points, and our return on assets increased by 33 basis points.
We've been an industry leader in growing these metrics by a number of years now for a number of years. We are the No. 1 compounder of core earnings per share over the last 6 years, which represents outstanding performance against the peer median. So we performed over 5 times better than the peer median, and we performed over 3 times better than the top quartile. Similarly, tangible book value per share compounding is the No. 2 among the entire peer group and represents outperformance of the peer median by about 3 times and the top quartile by over 2 times. Finally, on slide 6, our core strategy has translated into significantly improved profitability over the last several years. Our margin increased by 57 basis points, and our return on assets increased by 33 basis points.
Speaker #4: Similarly, tangible book value per share compounding is the number two among the entire peer group and represents outperformance of the peer median by about three times.
Speaker #4: And the top quartile by over two times. Finally, on slide six, our core strategy has translated into significantly improved profitability over the last several years.
Speaker #4: Our margin increased by 57 basis points, and our return on assets increased by 33 basis points. And, very importantly, our return on equity increased by 450 basis points, while we simultaneously increased our capital level by 500 basis points.
Jay Sidhu: And very importantly, our return on equity increased by 450 basis points while we simultaneously increased our capital level by 500 basis points. This profitability improvement has been achieved while making substantial investments for the future: investments in people, investments in technology, investments in processes, and huge investments in risk infrastructure for the future. These have turned into incredible results for our shareholders while helping us build a very strong foundation for the future. Our 5-year total shareholder return has been over 300%, placing us at the very top of our peers as an industry, in fact, in the entire financial services industry. It is exactly these kinds of financial results and multi-year transformation that give us the great confidence in Sam and the rest of the management team to continue building on our momentum and to take on tomorrow.
And very importantly, our return on equity increased by 450 basis points while we simultaneously increased our capital level by 500 basis points. This profitability improvement has been achieved while making substantial investments for the future: investments in people, investments in technology, investments in processes, and huge investments in risk infrastructure for the future. These have turned into incredible results for our shareholders while helping us build a very strong foundation for the future. Our 5-year total shareholder return has been over 300%, placing us at the very top of our peers as an industry, in fact, in the entire financial services industry. It is exactly these kinds of financial results and multi-year transformation that give us the great confidence in Sam and the rest of the management team to continue building on our momentum and to take on tomorrow.
Speaker #4: This profitability improvement has been achieved while making substantial investments for the future. Investments in people, investments in technology, investments in processes, and huge investments in risk infrastructure for the future.
Speaker #4: These have turned into incredible results for our shareholders, while helping us build a very strong foundation for the future. Our five-year total shareholder return has been over 300%, placing us at the very top of our peers—in fact, in the entire financial services industry.
Speaker #4: It is exactly these kinds of financial results and multi-year transformation that give us great confidence in Sam and the rest of the management team to continue building on our momentum and to take on tomorrow.
Speaker #4: Our mission will remain unchanged, and that is to deliver long-term value for shareholders and our communities by putting clients first, continuing to innovate, building strong risk management, and executing with excellence.
Jay Sidhu: Our mission will remain unchanged, and that is to deliver long-term value for shareholders and our communities by putting clients first and continuing to innovate, build strong risk management, and execute with excellence. We believe our best years are still ahead of us. With that, I'm going to turn it now over to Sam.
Our mission will remain unchanged, and that is to deliver long-term value for shareholders and our communities by putting clients first and continuing to innovate, build strong risk management, and execute with excellence. We believe our best years are still ahead of us. With that, I'm going to turn it now over to Sam.
Speaker #4: We believe our best years are still ahead of us. With that, I'm going to turn it on now over to
Speaker #2: Thank you, Jay, and good morning, everyone. I want to begin by expressing my deep gratitude and excitement to Jay and our board of directors as I lead the organization.
Samvir Sidhu: Thank you, Jay, and good morning, everyone. I want to begin by expressing my deep gratitude and excitement to Jay and our board of directors as I lead the organization through its next phase of growth as CEO. It is truly an honor to step into this role and to build upon the extraordinary foundation Jay and the team have established since the bank's founding 16 years ago. What makes this moment especially meaningful is the opportunity to lead alongside such an extraordinary team. Across the organization, from our client-facing bankers to the team members in our operations, technology, risk, finance, and many other areas, I see a shared drive to innovate, serve with purpose, and never settle for average.
Samvir Sidhu: Thank you, Jay, and good morning, everyone. I want to begin by expressing my deep gratitude and excitement to Jay and our board of directors as I lead the organization through its next phase of growth as CEO. It is truly an honor to step into this role and to build upon the extraordinary foundation Jay and the team have established since the bank's founding 16 years ago. What makes this moment especially meaningful is the opportunity to lead alongside such an extraordinary team. Across the organization, from our client-facing bankers to the team members in our operations, technology, risk, finance, and many other areas, I see a shared drive to innovate, serve with purpose, and never settle for average.
Speaker #2: Through its next phase of growth as CEO, it is truly an honor to step into this role and to build upon the extraordinary foundation Jay and the team have established since the bank's founding 16 years ago.
Speaker #2: What makes this moment especially meaningful is the opportunity to lead alongside such an extraordinary team. Across the organization, from our client-facing bankers to the team members in our operations, technology, risk, finance, and many other areas, I see a shared drive to innovate, serve with purpose, and never settle for average.
Speaker #2: It's the efforts of this exceptional team and their relentless focus on the customer that has resulted in our net promoter score increasing to 81—up 8 points from 73 last year.
Samvir Sidhu: It's the efforts of this exceptional team and their relentless focus on the customer that has resulted in our Net Promoter Score increasing to 81, up 8 points from 73 last year. This is nearly double the industry average and places us among the very top of companies, not just in the banking industry, but of all service-oriented firms. With that, I'll turn to our top priorities for 2026. You'll notice in many ways these look similar to last year, but evolved, highlighting our consistent strategic focus and entrepreneurial culture. First, our top financial priority is continuing our organic growth story on both sides of the balance sheet. With the hires we made in 2025 stacked on top of 2023 and 2024 vintage teams hitting their stride, we have the pipeline in place for 2026, which brings me to our next priority.
It's the efforts of this exceptional team and their relentless focus on the customer that has resulted in our Net Promoter Score increasing to 81, up 8 points from 73 last year. This is nearly double the industry average and places us among the very top of companies, not just in the banking industry, but of all service-oriented firms. With that, I'll turn to our top priorities for 2026. You'll notice in many ways these look similar to last year, but evolved, highlighting our consistent strategic focus and entrepreneurial culture. First, our top financial priority is continuing our organic growth story on both sides of the balance sheet. With the hires we made in 2025 stacked on top of 2023 and 2024 vintage teams hitting their stride, we have the pipeline in place for 2026, which brings me to our next priority.
Speaker #2: This is nearly double the industry average and places us among the very top of companies not just in the banking industry, but of all service-oriented firms.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn to our top priorities for 2026. You'll notice in many ways these look similar to last year, but evolved—highlighting our consistent strategic focus and entrepreneurial culture.
Speaker #2: First, our top financial priority is continuing our organic growth story. On both sides of the balance sheet, with the hires we made in 2025 stacked on top of 2023 and 2024 vintage teams hitting their stride, we have the pipeline in place for 2026, which brings me to our next priority.
Speaker #2: Our team recruitment strategy has been foundational to our recent success. On top of the previous team onboardings, we continue to have active discussions with top-performing teams that are looking to join an entrepreneurial and customer-centric bank.
Samvir Sidhu: Our team recruitment strategy has been foundational to our recent success. On top of the previous team onboardings, we continue to have active discussions with top-performing teams that are looking to join an entrepreneurial and customer-centric bank. We will have more to share on this as the year develops, but if 2025 was any indication, top talent is excited about leveraging the unique platform here at Customers Bank. Third, we believe payments are a key driver of the future of banking. We have an ambitious goal of being a commercial payments leader in the industry. We are tirelessly working on expanding our payments offerings and capabilities to meet that target. Next, as a future-focused bank, we see an immense opportunity to leverage AI to deliver enhanced client experience and productivity gains across our organization.
Our team recruitment strategy has been foundational to our recent success. On top of the previous team onboardings, we continue to have active discussions with top-performing teams that are looking to join an entrepreneurial and customer-centric bank. We will have more to share on this as the year develops, but if 2025 was any indication, top talent is excited about leveraging the unique platform here at Customers Bank. Third, we believe payments are a key driver of the future of banking. We have an ambitious goal of being a commercial payments leader in the industry. We are tirelessly working on expanding our payments offerings and capabilities to meet that target. Next, as a future-focused bank, we see an immense opportunity to leverage AI to deliver enhanced client experience and productivity gains across our organization.
Speaker #2: We will have more to share on this as the year develops, but if 2024 was any indication, top talent is excited about leveraging the unique platform here at Customers Bank.
Speaker #2: Third, we believe payments are a key driver of the future of banking. We have an ambitious goal of being a commercial payments leader in the industry.
Speaker #2: We are tirelessly working on expanding our payments offerings and capabilities to meet that target. Next, as a future-focused bank, we see an immense opportunity to leverage AI to deliver an enhanced client experience and productivity gains across our organization.
Speaker #2: More importantly, we look to do all of this while not taking our eye off the risk management areas, ensuring we maintain strong capital, liquidity, and credit quality.
Samvir Sidhu: More importantly, we look to do all of this while not taking our eye off the risk management areas, ensuring we maintain strong capital, liquidity, and credit quality. We did an amazing job executing our priorities in 2025, and that was evidenced by the fact that we were one of the top-performing bank stocks of the year as our stock price increased by over 50%. On slide 8, I'll cover our priority to continue to enhance our payments capabilities and further establish Customers Bank as an industry leader across verticals. First, I want to provide some more insight into exactly what makes our approach so powerful. Core to our strategy was the in-house development of Qubix, which allows clients to communicate and operate seamlessly across all of our payment rails.
More importantly, we look to do all of this while not taking our eye off the risk management areas, ensuring we maintain strong capital, liquidity, and credit quality. We did an amazing job executing our priorities in 2025, and that was evidenced by the fact that we were one of the top-performing bank stocks of the year as our stock price increased by over 50%. On slide 8, I'll cover our priority to continue to enhance our payments capabilities and further establish Customers Bank as an industry leader across verticals. First, I want to provide some more insight into exactly what makes our approach so powerful. Core to our strategy was the in-house development of Qubix, which allows clients to communicate and operate seamlessly across all of our payment rails.
Speaker #2: We did an amazing job executing our priorities in 2025, and that was evidenced by the fact that we were one of the top-performing bank stocks of the year, as our stock price increased by over 50%.
Speaker #2: On slide eight, I'll cover our priority to continue to enhance our payments capabilities and further establish Customers Bank as an industry leader across verticals.
Speaker #2: First, I want to provide some more insight into exactly what makes our approach so powerful. Core to our strategy was the in-house development of Qubix, which allows clients to communicate and operate seamlessly across all of our payment rails.
Speaker #2: Qubix allows our clients to digitally interact with and access both traditional products like wire and ACH, as well as more advanced systems like RTP, FedNow, and our 24/7/365 intra-bank instant payments platform, which gets a lot of the attention.
Samvir Sidhu: Qubix allows our clients to digitally interact with and access both traditional products like Wire and ACH, as well as more advanced systems like RTP, FedNow, and our 24/7 365 intra-bank instant payments platform, which gets a lot of the attention. Turning to our instant payments platform, 2025 was truly an exceptional year where we saw incredible scale and utilization. We had over $2 trillion of payments volume during the year, which was a 30% increase over last year's impressive $1.5 trillion. That level of payments activity now puts us as the number one commercial payments network in the U.S., ahead of household names like Amex and Visa, based on the latest publicly available data. That volume supported consistent average deposit balances quarter-over-quarter of $3.9 billion.
Qubix allows our clients to digitally interact with and access both traditional products like Wire and ACH, as well as more advanced systems like RTP, FedNow, and our 24/7 365 intra-bank instant payments platform, which gets a lot of the attention. Turning to our instant payments platform, 2025 was truly an exceptional year where we saw incredible scale and utilization. We had over $2 trillion of payments volume during the year, which was a 30% increase over last year's impressive $1.5 trillion. That level of payments activity now puts us as the number one commercial payments network in the US, ahead of household names like Amex and Visa, based on the latest publicly available data. That volume supported consistent average deposit balances quarter-over-quarter of $3.9 billion.
Speaker #2: Turning to our instant payments platform, 2025 was truly an exceptional year, where we saw incredible scale and utilization. We had over $2 trillion of payments volume during the year, which was a 30% increase over last year's impressive $1.5 trillion.
Speaker #2: That level of payments activity now puts us as the number one commercial payments network in the U.S., ahead of household names like Amex and Visa, based on the latest publicly available data.
Speaker #2: That volume supported consistent average deposit balances quarter over quarter of $3.9 billion. As exceptional as these results have been, going forward in 2026, we will look to showcase the durability and unlock the franchise value of the network.
Samvir Sidhu: As exceptional as these results have been, going forward in 2026, we will look to showcase the durability and unlock the franchise value of the network. We'll seek to achieve this by deepening and broadening our existing network and product offerings, by expanding Qubix utilization to other existing commercial clients in traditional verticals, and onboarding networks of new clients in verticals that can drive meaningful low-cost deposit growth. With that, let's move to our AI efforts on slide 9. For us, AI represents an opportunity to elevate quality, customization, and responsiveness across the bank while continuing to deliver the high-touch, white-glove experience our clients expect. AI will redefine the banking industry and our organization. Given this, I'm personally leading our AI efforts and empowering and encouraging our team to effectively leverage this transformational technology. After building a strong foundation, 2025 became a year of broad enablement and adoption.
As exceptional as these results have been, going forward in 2026, we will look to showcase the durability and unlock the franchise value of the network. We'll seek to achieve this by deepening and broadening our existing network and product offerings, by expanding Qubix utilization to other existing commercial clients in traditional verticals, and onboarding networks of new clients in verticals that can drive meaningful low-cost deposit growth. With that, let's move to our AI efforts on slide 9. For us, AI represents an opportunity to elevate quality, customization, and responsiveness across the bank while continuing to deliver the high-touch, white-glove experience our clients expect. AI will redefine the banking industry and our organization. Given this, I'm personally leading our AI efforts and empowering and encouraging our team to effectively leverage this transformational technology. After building a strong foundation, 2025 became a year of broad enablement and adoption.
Speaker #2: We'll seek to achieve this by deepening and broadening our existing network and product offerings, by expanding Qubix utilization to other existing commercial clients and traditional verticals, and onboarding networks of new clients in verticals that can drive meaningful, low-cost deposit growth.
Speaker #2: With that, let's move to our AI efforts on slide nine. For us, AI represents an opportunity to elevate quality, customization, and responsiveness across the bank while continuing to deliver the high-touch, white-glove experience our clients expect.
Speaker #2: AI will redefine the banking industry and our organization. Given this, I'm personally leading our AI efforts and empowering and encouraging our team to effectively leverage this transformational technology.
Speaker #2: After building a strong foundation, 2025 became a year of broad enablement and adoption. Our company has trained every employee on AI. Over the last year, we began rolling out more focused AI training for each department to develop use cases from generative and agentic AI tools.
Samvir Sidhu: Our company has trained every employee on AI. Over the last year, we began rolling out more focused AI training for each department to develop use cases from generative and agentic AI tools. As you can see from the chart here, our employees already report a nearly 20% productivity gain using this technology, and over half of our firm is already using our enterprise-level AI operating platforms. As we continue to leverage this technology, we see the ability to orchestrate our workflow across our operating platform and deliver our products and services to our clients faster. Frankly, we're only in the early innings of unlocking the vast potential of AI for our clients and our organization. Moving to the next slide, we had an excellent quarter and an exceptional year. Let me start off by saying a big thank you to all of our team members.
Our company has trained every employee on AI. Over the last year, we began rolling out more focused AI training for each department to develop use cases from generative and agentic AI tools. As you can see from the chart here, our employees already report a nearly 20% productivity gain using this technology, and over half of our firm is already using our enterprise-level AI operating platforms. As we continue to leverage this technology, we see the ability to orchestrate our workflow across our operating platform and deliver our products and services to our clients faster. Frankly, we're only in the early innings of unlocking the vast potential of AI for our clients and our organization. Moving to the next slide, we had an excellent quarter and an exceptional year. Let me start off by saying a big thank you to all of our team members.
Speaker #2: As you can see from the chart here, our employees already report a nearly 20% productivity gain using this technology, and over half of our firm is already using our enterprise-level AI operating platforms.
Speaker #2: As we continue to leverage this technology, we see the ability to orchestrate our workflow across our operating platform and deliver our products and services to our clients faster.
Speaker #2: Frankly, we're only in the early innings of unlocking the vast potential of AI for our clients and our organization. Moving to the next slide, we had an excellent quarter and an exceptional year.
Speaker #2: Let me start off by saying a big thank you to all of our team members. You really went above and beyond in 2025, and the entire executive team, our board, and I'm sure our shareholders are so incredibly appreciative.
Samvir Sidhu: You really went above and beyond in 2025, and the entire executive team, our board, and I'm sure our shareholders are so incredibly appreciative. We had a strong finish to 2025. This quarter and full year 2025 was yet another clear demonstration of the strength of Customers' diversified model. Our results represent very strong financial performance across the board. Here are a few of the highlights of the year's performance. Deposits grew by about $2 billion, or 10%. This was led by our new commercial banking teams, which added $1.6 billion in deposits. Loans grew by 15%. We had record net interest income, which grew by 15%. Our efficiency ratio dropped by over six percentage points. We grew tangible book value, as Jay mentioned, over 14% in the year, continuing our multi-year trend of 15% annualized growth, which is industry-leading.
You really went above and beyond in 2025, and the entire executive team, our board, and I'm sure our shareholders are so incredibly appreciative. We had a strong finish to 2025. This quarter and full year 2025 was yet another clear demonstration of the strength of Customers' diversified model. Our results represent very strong financial performance across the board. Here are a few of the highlights of the year's performance. Deposits grew by about $2 billion, or 10%. This was led by our new commercial banking teams, which added $1.6 billion in deposits. Loans grew by 15%. We had record net interest income, which grew by 15%. Our efficiency ratio dropped by over six percentage points. We grew tangible book value, as Jay mentioned, over 14% in the year, continuing our multi-year trend of 15% annualized growth, which is industry-leading.
Speaker #2: We had a strong finish to 2025. This quarter, and the full year 2025, was yet another clear demonstration of the strength of Customers' diversified model.
Speaker #2: Our results represent very strong financial performance across the board. Here are a few of the highlights of the year's performance. Deposits grew by about $2 billion, or 10%.
Speaker #2: This was led by our new commercial banking teams, which added $1.6 billion in deposits. Loans grew by 15%. We had record net interest income, which grew by 15%.
Speaker #2: Our efficiency ratio dropped by over 6 percentage points. And we grew tangible book value, as Jay mentioned, over 14% in the year, continuing our multi-year trend of 15% annualized growth, which is industry-leading.
Speaker #2: We accomplished all of this while maintaining strong credit performance and ample liquidity. Moving to slide 11, you'll see our GAAP financials, and then, moving to slide 12, I'll run through a few core financial highlights for the quarter and full year.
Samvir Sidhu: We accomplished all of this while maintaining strong credit performance and ample liquidity. Moving to slide 11, you'll see our GAAP financials, and then moving to slide 12, I'll run through a few core financial highlights for the quarter and full year. In the quarter, we delivered core EPS of $2.06, core ROE of 13.8%, and ROA of about 1.2%, respectively. For the full year, we achieved $7.61 in core EPS, which is up 36% from last year. With the highlights now covered, I'll turn it over to Mark to dive deeper into the details of the quarter.
We accomplished all of this while maintaining strong credit performance and ample liquidity. Moving to slide 11, you'll see our GAAP financials, and then moving to slide 12, I'll run through a few core financial highlights for the quarter and full year. In the quarter, we delivered core EPS of $2.06, core ROE of 13.8%, and ROA of about 1.2%, respectively. For the full year, we achieved $7.61 in core EPS, which is up 36% from last year. With the highlights now covered, I'll turn it over to Mark to dive deeper into the details of the quarter.
Speaker #2: In the quarter, we delivered core EPS of $2.06, core ROE of 13.8%, and ROA of about 1.2%, respectively. And for the full year, we achieved $7.61 in core EPS, which is up 36% from last year.
Speaker #2: With the highlights now covered, I'll turn it over to Mark to dive deeper into the details of the quarter. Thanks, Sam. And good morning, everyone.
Mark McCollom: Thanks, Sam. And good morning, everyone. Turning to slide 13, during the quarter, we continued to enhance the quality of our deposit franchise with a meaningful shift toward relationship-based, granular, high-quality deposits. Total deposits grew almost $400 million during the quarter, ending at just under $21 billion. And as you heard from Sam, these balances were up about $2 billion, or 10%, for the year. This was led by a great performance from our new teams, which I'll give more detail on shortly. This growth is also after giving effect to the fact that we averaged about $675 million of quarterly deposit remixing throughout 2025, which helped drive the strong deposit data I'll detail shortly. For non-interest-bearing deposits, our core franchise again delivered nine figures of growth at about $150 million for the fourth quarter.
Mark McCollom: Thanks, Sam. And good morning, everyone. Turning to slide 13, during the quarter, we continued to enhance the quality of our deposit franchise with a meaningful shift toward relationship-based, granular, high-quality deposits. Total deposits grew almost $400 million during the quarter, ending at just under $21 billion. And as you heard from Sam, these balances were up about $2 billion, or 10%, for the year. This was led by a great performance from our new teams, which I'll give more detail on shortly. This growth is also after giving effect to the fact that we averaged about $675 million of quarterly deposit remixing throughout 2025, which helped drive the strong deposit data I'll detail shortly. For non-interest-bearing deposits, our core franchise again delivered nine figures of growth at about $150 million for the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: Turning to slide 13, during the quarter we continued to enhance the quality of our deposit franchise with a meaningful shift toward relationship-based, granular, high-quality deposits.
Speaker #2: Total deposits grew almost $400 million during the quarter, ending at just under $21 billion. And as you heard from Sam, these balances were up about $2 billion, or 10%, for the year.
Speaker #2: This was led by a great performance from our new teams, which I'll give more detail on shortly. This growth is also after giving effect to the fact that we averaged about $675 million of quarterly deposit remixing throughout 2025, which helped drive the strong deposit data I'll detail shortly.
Speaker #2: For non-interest-bearing deposits, our core franchise again delivered nine figures of growth at about $150 million for the fourth quarter. And for the year, we had over $500 million of non-interest-bearing DDA growth, apart from the large DDA increases we saw from our Qubix clients.
Mark McCollom: For the year, we had over $500 million of non-interest-bearing DDA growth apart from the large DDA increases we saw from our Qubix clients. Because of the momentum with our deposit teams, we think we have the potential to replicate or even beat this performance in 2026. Our team responded very well to the Fed rate cuts in October and December. Our deposit beta in the quarter was 54% and a very strong 71% on interest-bearing deposits only. Through the full easing cycle to date, our total deposit beta has been about 61%, which is a number that we're very proud of.
For the year, we had over $500 million of non-interest-bearing DDA growth apart from the large DDA increases we saw from our Qubix clients. Because of the momentum with our deposit teams, we think we have the potential to replicate or even beat this performance in 2026. Our team responded very well to the Fed rate cuts in October and December. Our deposit beta in the quarter was 54% and a very strong 71% on interest-bearing deposits only. Through the full easing cycle to date, our total deposit beta has been about 61%, which is a number that we're very proud of.
Speaker #2: Because of the momentum with our deposit teams, we think we have the potential to replicate or even beat this performance in 2026. Our team responded very well to the Fed rate cuts in October and December.
Speaker #2: Our deposit beta in the quarter was 54%, and a very strong 71% on interest-bearing deposits only. Through the full easing cycle to date, our total deposit beta has been about 61%, which is a number that we're very proud of.
Speaker #2: The results of our deposit transformation over the last few years can be seen on the right-hand side of page 13, which shows we've been steadily converging to peer median deposit costs from a spread of over 200 basis points in the fourth quarter of 2022, or three years ago, to under 65 basis points today.
Mark McCollom: The results of our deposit transformation over the last few years can be seen on the right-hand side of page 13, which shows we've been steadily converging to peer median deposit costs from a spread of over 200 basis points in Q4 2022, or three years ago, to under 65 basis points today. Now let's turn to slide 14, where I'll provide more detail on the incredible success of our deposit gathering efforts with a particular focus on our new banking teams. Sam discussed earlier how critical recruitment is to our strategy, and here you can see the results of that hard work. The teams we've recruited over the last two and a half years now manage over $3.3 billion in deposits, excluding our Qubix payments business. That's a very granular book of business with over 8,000 commercial accounts.
The results of our deposit transformation over the last few years can be seen on the right-hand side of page 13, which shows we've been steadily converging to peer median deposit costs from a spread of over 200 basis points in Q4 2022, or three years ago, to under 65 basis points today. Now let's turn to slide 14, where I'll provide more detail on the incredible success of our deposit gathering efforts with a particular focus on our new banking teams. Sam discussed earlier how critical recruitment is to our strategy, and here you can see the results of that hard work. The teams we've recruited over the last two and a half years now manage over $3.3 billion in deposits, excluding our Qubix payments business. That's a very granular book of business with over 8,000 commercial accounts.
Speaker #2: Now let's turn to slide 14, where I'll provide more detail on the incredible success of our deposit-gathering efforts, with a particular focus on our new banking teams.
Speaker #2: Sam discussed earlier how critical recruitment is to our strategy. And here you can see the results of that hard work. The teams we've recruited over the last two and a half years now manage over $3.3 billion in deposits, excluding our Qubix payments business.
Speaker #2: And that's a very granular book of business with over 8,000 commercial accounts. In 2025, they increased deposit balances by $1.6 billion, essentially doubling the balance from the prior year.
Mark McCollom: In 2025, they increased deposit balances by $1.6 billion, essentially doubling the balance from the prior year. In the fourth quarter alone, they added $585 million in deposits, of which 40% was non-interest-bearing. That's without any meaningful contribution from the teams that we onboarded in 2025, which we believe could be a meaningful driver of deposit growth in 2026. Now let's turn to loans on slide 15. Loans grew approximately $500 million, or 3% quarter-over-quarter. Growth was broad-based and led by commercial real estate, healthcare, and mortgage finance, while we saw net paydowns in our fund finance business. You can see the same diversification in loan growth when looking at the full year view, as the majority of our businesses contributed to 2025 growth in some way.
In 2025, they increased deposit balances by $1.6 billion, essentially doubling the balance from the prior year. In the fourth quarter alone, they added $585 million in deposits, of which 40% was non-interest-bearing. That's without any meaningful contribution from the teams that we onboarded in 2025, which we believe could be a meaningful driver of deposit growth in 2026. Now let's turn to loans on slide 15. Loans grew approximately $500 million, or 3% quarter-over-quarter. Growth was broad-based and led by commercial real estate, healthcare, and mortgage finance, while we saw net paydowns in our fund finance business. You can see the same diversification in loan growth when looking at the full year view, as the majority of our businesses contributed to 2025 growth in some way.
Speaker #2: And in the fourth quarter alone, they added $585 million in deposits, of which 40% was non-interest-bearing. And that's without any meaningful contribution from the teams that we onboarded in 2025, which we believe could be a meaningful driver of deposit growth in 2026.
Speaker #2: Now, let's turn to loans on slide 15. Loans grew approximately $500 million, or 3%, quarter over quarter. Growth was broad-based and led by commercial real estate, healthcare, and mortgage finance, while we saw net paydowns in our fund finance business.
Speaker #2: You can see the same diversification in loan growth when looking at the full-year view, as the majority of our businesses contributed to 2025 growth in some way.
Speaker #2: As we often say, the chart on loan growth can vary each quarter, but the diversified nature of the quarterly and end results highlight the multifaceted nature of our asset generation capabilities.
Mark McCollom: As we often say, the chart on loan growth can vary each quarter, but the diversified nature of the quarterly and annual results highlights the multifaceted nature of our asset generation capabilities. Given the depth and breadth of our platform, we see opportunities to add franchise-enhancing loans in 2026, with a continued focus on credit quality. Turning to slide 16, net interest income increased 22% year-over-year to $204 million, and our net interest margin expanded by 29 basis points to 3.4% over the same period.
As we often say, the chart on loan growth can vary each quarter, but the diversified nature of the quarterly and annual results highlights the multifaceted nature of our asset generation capabilities. Given the depth and breadth of our platform, we see opportunities to add franchise-enhancing loans in 2026, with a continued focus on credit quality. Turning to slide 16, net interest income increased 22% year-over-year to $204 million, and our net interest margin expanded by 29 basis points to 3.4% over the same period.
Speaker #2: Given the depth and breadth of our platform, we see opportunities to add franchise-enhancing loans in 2026 with a continued focus on credit quality. Turning to slide 16, net interest income increased 22% year over year to $204 million, and our net interest margin expanded by 29 basis points to 3.4% over the same period.
Speaker #2: Net interest income increased $2.5 million sequentially, and was driven by the following core trends: an increase in average loan balances of nearly $800 million; an increase in average deposits of over $300 million; a decline in our blended cost of deposits from 2.77% last quarter to 2.54% in the fourth quarter; and nearly $250 million of higher average non-interest-bearing balances, despite flat average Qubix balances quarter over quarter.
Mark McCollom: Net interest income increased $2.5 million sequentially and was driven by the following core trends: an increase in average loan balances of nearly $800 million, an increase in average deposits of over $300 million, a decline in our blended cost of deposits from 2.77% last quarter to 2.54% in Q4, and nearly $250 million of higher average non-interest-bearing balances despite flat average Qubix balances quarter over quarter. This performance highlights our ability to grow net interest income even in a falling rate environment. With levers to pull on both sides of the balance sheet, we're optimistic about our ability to continue net interest income growth in 2026. Moving on to slide 17, our reported non-interest expense was $117 million in the quarter. The link quarter increase was mostly driven by expenses that were either unique to the quarter or directly related to fee income or tax savings.
Net interest income increased $2.5 million sequentially and was driven by the following core trends: an increase in average loan balances of nearly $800 million, an increase in average deposits of over $300 million, a decline in our blended cost of deposits from 2.77% last quarter to 2.54% in Q4, and nearly $250 million of higher average non-interest-bearing balances despite flat average Qubix balances quarter over quarter. This performance highlights our ability to grow net interest income even in a falling rate environment. With levers to pull on both sides of the balance sheet, we're optimistic about our ability to continue net interest income growth in 2026. Moving on to slide 17, our reported non-interest expense was $117 million in the quarter. The link quarter increase was mostly driven by expenses that were either unique to the quarter or directly related to fee income or tax savings.
Speaker #2: This performance highlights our ability to grow net interest income even in a falling rate environment. And with levers to pull on both sides of the balance sheet, we're optimistic about our ability to continue net interest income growth in 2026.
Speaker #2: Moving on to slide 17, our reported non-interest expense was $117 million in the quarter. The linked-quarter increase was mostly driven by expenses that were either unique to the quarter or directly related to fee income or tax savings.
Speaker #2: To give some more color, we had a total of $4.8 million of unique expense in the quarter, which included $1.9 million in legal fees associated with a new team onboarding, $2.2 million of insurance expense on tax credit purchases, which had a corresponding direct benefit to our effective tax rate, and $700,000 in compensation and benefits.
Mark McCollom: To give some more color, we had a total of $4.8 million of unique expense in the quarter, which included $1.9 million in legal fees associated with a new team onboarding, $2.2 million of insurance expense on tax credit purchases, which had a corresponding direct benefit to our effective tax rate, and $700,000 in compensation and benefits. Additionally, our commercial lease depreciation expense was $2.2 million higher quarter over quarter, but that came with higher volume in the business, so our non-interest income for that business was up $2.7 million linked quarter. It's also worth noting that our expenses last quarter benefited from a positive adjustment to our FDIC expense of about $1.8 million. But even with these discrete items, our efficiency ratio was 49.5%, and our non-interest expense to average asset ratio was 1.88%, placing us firmly in the top quartile of peers, even as we invest in growth.
To give some more color, we had a total of $4.8 million of unique expense in the quarter, which included $1.9 million in legal fees associated with a new team onboarding, $2.2 million of insurance expense on tax credit purchases, which had a corresponding direct benefit to our effective tax rate, and $700,000 in compensation and benefits. Additionally, our commercial lease depreciation expense was $2.2 million higher quarter over quarter, but that came with higher volume in the business, so our non-interest income for that business was up $2.7 million linked quarter. It's also worth noting that our expenses last quarter benefited from a positive adjustment to our FDIC expense of about $1.8 million. But even with these discrete items, our efficiency ratio was 49.5%, and our non-interest expense to average asset ratio was 1.88%, placing us firmly in the top quartile of peers, even as we invest in growth.
Speaker #2: Additionally, our commercial lease depreciation expense was $2.2 million higher quarter over quarter, but that came with higher volume in the business, so our non-interest income for that business was up $2.7 million linked quarter.
Speaker #2: It's also worth noting that our expenses last quarter benefited from a positive adjustment to our FDIC expense of about $1.8 million. But even with these discrete items, our efficiency ratio was 49.5%, and our non-interest expense to average asset ratio was 1.88%, placing us firmly in the top quartile of peers even as we invest in growth.
Speaker #2: Now turning to slide 18. Many of you recall that during our third quarter 2024 earnings call, we outlined our first operational excellence initiative. It was designed to identify revenue enhancement and cost-saving opportunities that we could use to reinvest in the areas of strategic growth for our future, while maintaining strong efficiency for our organization.
Mark McCollom: Now turning to slide 18, many of you recall that during our Q3 2024 earnings call, we outlined our first operational excellence initiative. It was designed to identify revenue enhancement and cost-saving opportunities that we could use to reinvest in the areas of strategic growth for our future while maintaining strong efficiency for our organization. Based on the success of that program, we're once again undertaking a similar program. Between revenue and expense initiatives, we're targeting $20 million in run rate proceeds, which we will again invest in our future. We believe this ongoing philosophy is reflected, well, sorry, the result of this ongoing philosophy is reflected in the guidance I'll provide in a minute, and it's a key component to having sustainable, long-term positive operating leverage. On slide 19, you can see our Tangible Book Value per share grew to $61.77, up 3% sequentially, or 14% annualized.
Now turning to slide 18, many of you recall that during our Q3 2024 earnings call, we outlined our first operational excellence initiative. It was designed to identify revenue enhancement and cost-saving opportunities that we could use to reinvest in the areas of strategic growth for our future while maintaining strong efficiency for our organization. Based on the success of that program, we're once again undertaking a similar program. Between revenue and expense initiatives, we're targeting $20 million in run rate proceeds, which we will again invest in our future. We believe this ongoing philosophy is reflected, well, sorry, the result of this ongoing philosophy is reflected in the guidance I'll provide in a minute, and it's a key component to having sustainable, long-term positive operating leverage. On slide 19, you can see our Tangible Book Value per share grew to $61.77, up 3% sequentially, or 14% annualized.
Speaker #2: Based on the success of that program, we're once again undertaking a similar initiative. Between revenue and expense initiatives, we're targeting $20 million in run-rate proceeds, which we will again invest in our future.
Speaker #2: We believe this ongoing philosophy is reflected—well, sorry, the result of this ongoing philosophy is reflected in the guidance I'll provide in a minute. And it's a key component to having sustainable, long-term positive operating leverage.
Speaker #2: On slide 19, you can see our tangible book value per share grew to $61.77, up 3% sequentially, or 14% annualized. This represents one of the clearest markers of long-term shareholder value creation and continues our multi-year track record of double-digit tangible book value growth.
Mark McCollom: This represents one of the clearest markers of long-term shareholder value creation and continues our multi-year track record of double-digit tangible book value growth. We achieved 14% growth during the year in which we added 9% to our shares outstanding and enhanced our capital ratios across the board. Let's now turn to slide 20 to discuss that capital growth. We further strengthened our capital position this quarter with a successful sub-debt issuance, which provided us with $100 million of additional tier two capital. Our tangible common equity ratio continued to climb higher, now reaching 8.5%, even after a quarter of strong balance sheet growth. This ratio was up 90 basis points year-over-year, growing meaningfully while still supporting 12% growth in our asset base. On slide 21, credit performance remained stable across the board.
This represents one of the clearest markers of long-term shareholder value creation and continues our multi-year track record of double-digit tangible book value growth. We achieved 14% growth during the year in which we added 9% to our shares outstanding and enhanced our capital ratios across the board. Let's now turn to slide 20 to discuss that capital growth. We further strengthened our capital position this quarter with a successful sub-debt issuance, which provided us with $100 million of additional tier two capital. Our tangible common equity ratio continued to climb higher, now reaching 8.5%, even after a quarter of strong balance sheet growth. This ratio was up 90 basis points year-over-year, growing meaningfully while still supporting 12% growth in our asset base. On slide 21, credit performance remained stable across the board.
Speaker #2: And we achieved 14% growth during the year, in which we added 9% to our shares outstanding and enhanced our capital ratios across the board.
Speaker #2: Let's now turn to slide 20 to discuss that capital growth. We further strengthened our capital position this quarter with a successful sub-debt issuance, which provided us with $100 million of additional Tier 2 capital.
Speaker #2: Our tangible common equity ratio continued to climb higher, now reaching 8.5%, even after a quarter of strong balance sheet growth. And this ratio is up 90 basis points year over year, growing meaningfully while still supporting 12% growth in our asset base.
Speaker #2: On slide 21, credit performance remained stable across the board. A strong credit culture will always be a critical success factor for customers, and our results support this.
Mark McCollom: A strong credit culture will always be a critical success factor for Customers, and our results support this. NPAs were just 29 basis points of total assets and have been consistently below peers for the last five quarters. Total net charge-offs declined by 10% in the quarter as we saw strong performance from both our commercial and consumer portfolios. Excluding our small consumer portfolio, which represents only about 5% of our loans, commercial net charge-off remained very low at 16 basis points annualized. Overall, we believe the loan portfolio is well positioned, and we have a strong reserve coverage within our allowance for credit loss. With that, I'll wrap up my comments with our 2026 outlook on slide 22. As most of you on the call know, I've been with the company for about eight months now.
A strong credit culture will always be a critical success factor for Customers, and our results support this. NPAs were just 29 basis points of total assets and have been consistently below peers for the last five quarters. Total net charge-offs declined by 10% in the quarter as we saw strong performance from both our commercial and consumer portfolios. Excluding our small consumer portfolio, which represents only about 5% of our loans, commercial net charge-off remained very low at 16 basis points annualized. Overall, we believe the loan portfolio is well positioned, and we have a strong reserve coverage within our allowance for credit loss. With that, I'll wrap up my comments with our 2026 outlook on slide 22. As most of you on the call know, I've been with the company for about eight months now.
Speaker #2: NPAs were just 29 basis points of total assets and have been consistently below peers for the last five quarters. Total net charge-offs declined by 10% in the quarter as we saw strong performance from both our commercial and consumer portfolios.
Speaker #2: Excluding our small consumer portfolio, which represents only about 5% of our loans, commercial net charge-offs remain very low at 16 basis points annualized. Overall, we believe the loan portfolio is well-positioned, and we have a strong reserve coverage within our allowance for credit loss.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll wrap up my comments with our 2026 outlook on slide 22. As most of you on the call know, I've been with the company for about eight months now.
Speaker #2: I went back and reviewed last year's guidance against what we delivered, and I was very impressed with the fact that we beat on every line item.
Mark McCollom: I went back and reviewed last year's guidance against what we delivered, and I was very impressed with the fact that we beat on every line item. We had also raised our guidance a couple of times along the way as our execution panned out. So, with another strong quarter and year in the books, we're pleased to share our initial guidance for 2026. With strong pipelines across the franchise, we're targeting loan growth of 8 to 12%. Led by the commercial teams we've onboarded and continue to grow, we see deposit growth net of remixing of 8 to 12%. The result of this growth is expected net interest income of $800 to 830 million for the year, or growth of 7 to 11%. On non-interest expenses, we project $440 to 460 million for the year.
I went back and reviewed last year's guidance against what we delivered, and I was very impressed with the fact that we beat on every line item. We had also raised our guidance a couple of times along the way as our execution panned out. So, with another strong quarter and year in the books, we're pleased to share our initial guidance for 2026. With strong pipelines across the franchise, we're targeting loan growth of 8 to 12%. Led by the commercial teams we've onboarded and continue to grow, we see deposit growth net of remixing of 8 to 12%. The result of this growth is expected net interest income of $800 to 830 million for the year, or growth of 7 to 11%. On non-interest expenses, we project $440 to 460 million for the year.
Speaker #2: We had also raised our guidance a couple of times along the way as our execution panned out. So, with another strong quarter and year in the books, we're pleased to share our initial guidance for 2026.
Speaker #2: With strong pipelines across the franchise, we're targeting loan growth of 8% to 12%. Led by the commercial teams we've onboarded and continue to accrue, we see deposit growth, net of remixing, of 8% to 12%.
Speaker #2: The result of this growth is expected net interest income of $800 to $830 million for the year, or growth of 7% to 11%. On non-interest expenses, we project $440 to $460 million for the year.
Speaker #2: This is growth of 2% to 6% as we continue to make investments in our future, largely in people and technology. But this range results in very significant positive operating leverage.
Mark McCollom: This is growth of 2% to 6% as we continue to make investments in our future, largely in people and technology. But this range results in very significant positive operating leverage. On capital, we are targeting Common Equity Tier 1 of 11.5% to 12.5%, with our strong organic earnings potential positioning us well to support solid balance sheet growth. And lastly, we expect an effective tax rate of between 23% and 25%. With that, I'll now pass the call back to Sam for closing remarks before we open up the line for your Q&A.
This is growth of 2% to 6% as we continue to make investments in our future, largely in people and technology. But this range results in very significant positive operating leverage. On capital, we are targeting Common Equity Tier 1 of 11.5% to 12.5%, with our strong organic earnings potential positioning us well to support solid balance sheet growth. And lastly, we expect an effective tax rate of between 23% and 25%. With that, I'll now pass the call back to Sam for closing remarks before we open up the line for your Q&A.
Speaker #2: On capital, we are targeting common equity Tier 1 of 11.5% to 12.5%, with our strong organic earnings potential positioning us well to support solid balance sheet growth.
Speaker #2: effective tax rate of between 23% and 25%. With that, I'll now pass the call back to Sam for closing remarks before we open up the line for your questions.
Speaker #2: Q&A. Thanks,
Operator: Thanks, Mark. In closing, Customers Bank is executing on its strategy, delivering exceptional client service, differentiated deposit gathering, diversified loan growth, the recruitment of top talent, leading payments capabilities, and maintaining strong capital and credit. Our teams delivered a phenomenal deposit gathering year. Total deposits increased approximately $2 billion, with $700 million of that being non-interest-bearing growth. Our commercial teams delivered over $500 million of that non-interest-bearing growth, which should be the floor for 2026. And with this momentum, we feel good about the growth in our guidance. Similarly, our loan teams are well positioned to build on the diversified loan growth we delivered in 2025. Our team recruitment efforts are kicking into high gear. We're already in active discussions with half a dozen teams. That's on top of the long runway from our recently onboarded teams.
Samvir Sidhu: Thanks, Mark. In closing, Customers Bank is executing on its strategy, delivering exceptional client service, differentiated deposit gathering, diversified loan growth, the recruitment of top talent, leading payments capabilities, and maintaining strong capital and credit. Our teams delivered a phenomenal deposit gathering year. Total deposits increased approximately $2 billion, with $700 million of that being non-interest-bearing growth. Our commercial teams delivered over $500 million of that non-interest-bearing growth, which should be the floor for 2026. And with this momentum, we feel good about the growth in our guidance. Similarly, our loan teams are well positioned to build on the diversified loan growth we delivered in 2025. Our team recruitment efforts are kicking into high gear. We're already in active discussions with half a dozen teams. That's on top of the long runway from our recently onboarded teams.
Speaker #3: Mark. In closing, Customers Bank has executed on its strategy—delivering exceptional client service, differentiated deposit gathering, diversified loan growth, the recruitment of top talent, leading payments capabilities, and maintaining strong capital and credit.
Speaker #3: Our teams delivered a phenomenal deposit-gathering year; total deposits increased approximately $2 billion, with $700 million of that being non-interest-bearing growth. Our commercial teams delivered over $500 million of that non-interest-bearing growth, which should be the floor.
Speaker #3: For 2026, and with this momentum, we feel good about the growth in our guidance. Similarly, our loan teams are well-positioned to build on the diversified loan growth we delivered in '25.
Speaker #3: Our team recruitment efforts are kicking into high gear. We're already in active discussions with half a dozen teams. That's on top of the long-run wave from our recently onboarded teams.
Speaker #3: We're seeing a big payoff from the investments we've made in our payments infrastructure. We did over $2 trillion of QBICS activity in 2025, strengthening our market position and competitive moat.
Operator: We're seeing a big payoff from the investments we've made in our payments infrastructure. We did over $2 trillion of Qubix activity in 2025, strengthening our market position and competitive moat. Last Friday, we enabled a network of existing customers in the mortgage industry that could add $50 billion in transaction volume this year. We are further targeting additional networks of prospective clients within the real estate industry as a starting point that could be a meaningful driver of non-interest-bearing deposits in the next couple of quarters. As you heard, we delivered strong profitability with an ROA and ROE of 1.2 and 13.8 in Q1. Q4, we completed 2 successful capital transactions during the year, all while maintaining excellent credit performance. As you can imagine, we're incredibly excited about the prospects for this company in 2026 and beyond. We'll now open the line for questions.
We're seeing a big payoff from the investments we've made in our payments infrastructure. We did over $2 trillion of Qubix activity in 2025, strengthening our market position and competitive moat. Last Friday, we enabled a network of existing customers in the mortgage industry that could add $50 billion in transaction volume this year. We are further targeting additional networks of prospective clients within the real estate industry as a starting point that could be a meaningful driver of non-interest-bearing deposits in the next couple of quarters. As you heard, we delivered strong profitability with an ROA and ROE of 1.2 and 13.8 in Q1. Q4, we completed 2 successful capital transactions during the year, all while maintaining excellent credit performance. As you can imagine, we're incredibly excited about the prospects for this company in 2026 and beyond. We'll now open the line for questions.
Speaker #3: Last Friday, we enabled a network of existing customers in the mortgage industry that could add $50 billion in transaction volume this year. We are further targeting additional networks of prospective clients within the real estate...
Speaker #1: Industry as a starting could be a meaningful driver of point . That noninterest bearing deposits in the next couple of quarters . As you heard , we delivered strong profitability with an ROA and ROE of 1.2 and 13.8 .
Speaker #1: In the first quarter… fourth quarter, as you heard, we delivered strong profitability with ROA and ROE of 1.2% and 13.8%.
Speaker #1: In the first quarter . Fourth quarter , we completed two successful capital transactions during the year , all maintaining while excellent credit performance imagine , .
Speaker #1: In the first quarter . Fourth quarter , we completed two successful capital transactions during the year , all maintaining while excellent credit performance imagine , can we're incredibly As you excited about the prospects for this company in We'll now open 2026 and beyond .
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Speaker #2: Your first question comes from the line of Janet Lee with TD Cohen. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Jay Sidhu: Good morning, everyone, and congrats, Sam, on your new role. So if I were to, obviously, if I look at that interest income guide and expense, it's very good positive operating leverage for 2026, and 2025 was also a good year for fee income. If I were to look at 2026, is there a good level of expectations that you could set for fee income growth and where you're most optimistic about that fee income line?
Janet Lee: Good morning, everyone, and congrats, Sam, on your new role. So if I were to, obviously, if I look at that interest income guide and expense, it's very good positive operating leverage for 2026, and 2025 was also a good year for fee income. If I were to look at 2026, is there a good level of expectations that you could set for fee income growth and where you're most optimistic about that fee income line?
Speaker #3: Good morning everyone , and congrats your new role . So if I were to obviously if I look at net interest guide and and expense , very good that's positive leverage for operating for 2026 .
Speaker #3: And 2025 was also a good year for for fee income . If I were to look at 2026 , is there is there a good level of expectations that you could you could set fee for income growth ?
Samvir Sidhu: Sure, Janet. Good morning. When you look at our non-interest income, similar to our asset businesses that we built, we have a nice portfolio of fee income businesses. At different quarters, different businesses stepped to the forefront. In Q3 2025, our venture business stepped to the forefront, and we had outsized loan fees. If you look at our loan fee line on our five-quarter progression, that's where we had some warrant income. This quarter, our commercial finance business stepped to the forefront, where we have stronger commercial lease income. Then also down in the other line, we had some sales on operating leases that we sold lease residuals at a gain.
Samvir Sidhu: Sure, Janet. Good morning. When you look at our non-interest income, similar to our asset businesses that we built, we have a nice portfolio of fee income businesses. At different quarters, different businesses stepped to the forefront. In Q3 2025, our venture business stepped to the forefront, and we had outsized loan fees. If you look at our loan fee line on our five-quarter progression, that's where we had some warrant income. This quarter, our commercial finance business stepped to the forefront, where we have stronger commercial lease income. Then also down in the other line, we had some sales on operating leases that we sold lease residuals at a gain.
Speaker #3: And where are you most optimistic about that fee income line?
Speaker #4: Sure , Jen . Good morning . You know , when you look at noninterest our income , similar to our asset businesses that we built , we have a nice portfolio fee income businesses .
Speaker #4: And at of different quarters , different to the forefront , you businesses stepped in the third quarter of 2025 , venture our business to the a step forefront .
Speaker #4: And we had outsized fees. If you look at our loan fee line on our five-quarter progression, that's where some warrant income is this quarter.
Speaker #4: Our commercial finance business stepped to the forefront . You know , have , you know , stronger commercial lease where we income and then also down in the other line , we had some on sales operating , some operating that we sold residuals , lease residuals at a gain .
Samvir Sidhu: So my advice would be that while there will be different businesses that stepped to the forefront throughout the course of a year, on a quarterly basis, if you go back and look, we've averaged about $30 million. So from Q2 to Q4, the average is right around $30 million. So I think that's a good place to start. And then on top of that, we now think we have some businesses that have matured and have a good full product set around them. And now we know a focus in 2026 will be how to better monetize that.
So my advice would be that while there will be different businesses that stepped to the forefront throughout the course of a year, on a quarterly basis, if you go back and look, we've averaged about $30 million. So from Q2 to Q4, the average is right around $30 million. So I think that's a good place to start. And then on top of that, we now think we have some businesses that have matured and have a good full product set around them. And now we know a focus in 2026 will be how to better monetize that.
Speaker #4: So , you know , my advice would be , that while you know , there will be different businesses that step to the forefront throughout the of a course year on a quarterly basis , if you go back and look , we've averaged about $30 million , you know , so from two Q to two for the average is right around 30 million .
Speaker #4: So I think that's a good place to start . And then on top of that , we now think we have some businesses that have matured and have a good , you know , full product set around them , you know , and now we know a focus in 2026 will be how to better monetize that .
Jay Sidhu: Thank you. Very helpful. And for your deposit growth, obviously, the new banking team hires, I think they brought in $600 million of deposit growth in the quarter, and your deposit growth of 8% to 12% for 2026. I would assume a lot of that growth is driven by the new banking team hires continuing to bring in that lower-cost deposits. What level of deposit growth are you assuming from Qubix? I believe the balances, on an average basis, were pretty stable quarter over quarter. And what you're seeing on the institutional adoption of digital assets and how that's impacting the trend. Thank you.
Janet Lee: Thank you. Very helpful. And for your deposit growth, obviously, the new banking team hires, I think they brought in $600 million of deposit growth in the quarter, and your deposit growth of 8% to 12% for 2026. I would assume a lot of that growth is driven by the new banking team hires continuing to bring in that lower-cost deposits. What level of deposit growth are you assuming from Qubix? I believe the balances, on an average basis, were pretty stable quarter over quarter. And what you're seeing on the institutional adoption of digital assets and how that's impacting the trend. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Very helpful. And for your deposit growth, obviously the new banking team hires—I think they brought in $600 million of deposit growth in the quarter.
Speaker #3: And your deposit growth of 8% to 12% for 2026, I would assume a lot of that growth is driven by the new banking team hires continuing to bring in that lower-cost deposits.
Speaker #3: What level of deposit growth are you assuming from from Cubic's , I believe the balance is on an average basis . Where we're pretty stable quarter over quarter .
Speaker #3: And what you're seeing on the adoption of the institutional adoption of digital assets, and how that's impacting the trend. Thank you.
Operator: Yep. Sure, Mark. I'll jump in and take that. I think, Janet, conservatively, we're not assuming that there's any major contribution from our digital asset balances there. While I think you're right, we could see potential increased market activity if there's sort of legislation that comes into the forefront. However, it's not something we're counting on. So the positive growth that you see there and sort of our guidance that Mark walked through is really going to be driven by the core commercial bank. And I think that's really one of the highlights of this organization. There are potential levers that could be pulled, or frankly, maybe it's another way of saying it is there are potential embedded upsides that could be there if we continue to see sort of broadening of the network and sort of increased activity.
Samvir Sidhu: Yep. Sure, Mark. I'll jump in and take that. I think, Janet, conservatively, we're not assuming that there's any major contribution from our digital asset balances there. While I think you're right, we could see potential increased market activity if there's sort of legislation that comes into the forefront. However, it's not something we're counting on. So the positive growth that you see there and sort of our guidance that Mark walked through is really going to be driven by the core commercial bank. And I think that's really one of the highlights of this organization. There are potential levers that could be pulled, or frankly, maybe it's another way of saying it is there are potential embedded upsides that could be there if we continue to see sort of broadening of the network and sort of increased activity.
Speaker #1: Yeah , sure . Mark , I'll jump in and take that . And I think Janet , conservatively , we're not assuming that there's any major contribution from our , you know , digital asset balances there .
Speaker #1: Well, I think you're right. We could see potential increased market activity if there's sort of the legislation that comes into the forefront.
Speaker #1: not However , it's something we're counting on . So the deposit growth that you see there and sort of our guidance that Mark walked through is really going to be driven by , you know , the core commercial bank .
Speaker #1: And I think that's really one of the , you know , the highlights of this organization . There are potential levers that could be pulled or frankly , maybe it's another way of saying is there are potential embedded upside that that could be there .
Operator: But to that point, you touched on the $600 million in the quarter. We also talked about the $2 billion of growth for the year. But I think Mark also touched on the $675 million on average, plus or minus, throughout 2025 of remix that we did. You put that all together, our $2 billion on a percentage basis was industry-leading in 2025. We would have more than doubled that had we just not remixed and grown the balance sheet. And I think that really shows the diversified power across the organization. It's not just the 2023 and 2024 teams and then next year the 2025 teams. The core bank is continuing to deliver great strength to the organization. And I think given the investments we made, we focused on highlighting the return on those investments for the 2023 and 2024 teams.
But to that point, you touched on the $600 million in the quarter. We also talked about the $2 billion of growth for the year. But I think Mark also touched on the $675 million on average, plus or minus, throughout 2025 of remix that we did. You put that all together, our $2 billion on a percentage basis was industry-leading in 2025. We would have more than doubled that had we just not remixed and grown the balance sheet. And I think that really shows the diversified power across the organization. It's not just the 2023 and 2024 teams and then next year the 2025 teams. The core bank is continuing to deliver great strength to the organization. And I think given the investments we made, we focused on highlighting the return on those investments for the 2023 and 2024 teams.
Speaker #1: If we if we continue to see sort of broadening of the network and sort of increased activity , but , you know , to that point , you touched on the 600 million in the quarter .
Speaker #1: We also talked about the $2 billion of growth for the year. But I think Mark also touched on the $675 million on average, you know, plus or minus, throughout 2025 of remix that we did.
Speaker #1: You put that all together . You know , our $2 billion in a percentage basis was industry leading in 2020 . You know , five , we would have more than doubled that had we just not remixed and grown the balance sheet .
Speaker #1: that really And I think shows the the diversified power across the organization . It's not the just 23 and 24 teams . And next year , the 25 teams , the core bank is delivering is continuing to deliver , you know , great strength to the organization .
Operator: But really, I think that the commercial bank is firing all cylinders. And as we continue to flex our payments expertise, you heard me highlight it in my prepared remarks that we could also see lifts in deposits related to traditional payments verticals that would be operating on the Qubix platform.
But really, I think that the commercial bank is firing all cylinders. And as we continue to flex our payments expertise, you heard me highlight it in my prepared remarks that we could also see lifts in deposits related to traditional payments verticals that would be operating on the Qubix platform.
Speaker #1: And I think given the investments we made , we focused on the , you know , highlighting the return on those investments for the 23 and 24 teams .
Speaker #1: But really , I think that the , you know , the the commercial bank is firing on all cylinders . And , and as we continue to flex our payments expertise , you know , you heard me highlighted in my prepared remarks that , you know , we could also see lifts in deposits related to traditional payments verticals that would be operating on the platform .
Jay Sidhu: Thank you.
Janet Lee: Thank you.
Philip Watkins: Your next question comes from the line of Steve Moss. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Steve Moss. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thank you .
Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Steve Moss. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good morning.
[Analyst]: Good morning.
Mark McCollom: Good morning, Steve.
Mark McCollom: Good morning, Steve.
Jay Sidhu: Hi, Steve.
Samvir Sidhu: Hi, Steve.
Mark McCollom: Morning, Sam, Mark. Nice quarter here. And maybe just starting, going back to the teams you're looking to hire this upcoming year. I think, Sam, you kind of touched on part of it at least, that with looking to hire additional real estate teams, I think is what I heard. It was a little static informing. But just kind of curious, are they new verticals or just additive to existing verticals? And then kind of with the $50 billion in transaction volumes you touched on, Sam, just kind of curious as to how we could translate that to deposits.
[Analyst]: Morning, Sam, Mark. Nice quarter here. And maybe just starting, going back to the teams you're looking to hire this upcoming year. I think, Sam, you kind of touched on part of it at least, that with looking to hire additional real estate teams, I think is what I heard. It was a little static informing. But just kind of curious, are they new verticals or just additive to existing verticals? And then kind of with the $50 billion in transaction volumes you touched on, Sam, just kind of curious as to how we could translate that to deposits.
Speaker #4: morning Good .
Speaker #1: Good morning Steve .
Speaker #4: Thank you. Good morning, Sam. Mark. Nice quarter here. And maybe just starting, going back to the teams you're looking to hire this upcoming year.
Speaker #4: I think, Sam, you kind of touched on part of it. At least that, you know, with looking to hire additional real estate teams, I think is what I heard.
Speaker #4: It was a little staticky for me, but just kind of curious. Are they new verticals or just additive to existing verticals? And then, kind of with the $50 billion transaction volumes?
Operator: Sure. So I'll tackle those and let me know if I missed anything. So firstly, on future teams, I think was your first part of your question. Again, we're in discussions with half a dozen teams. It's difficult to sort of say where we'll land out. We do think it's a question of a little bit of bottoms up as well as top down. So top down, strategically, we think about different strategic areas that we'd like to be in that we aren't in today or we're already in a decentralized way, and it might be better to sort of centralize these and strengthen our overall go-to-market. And then from a bottoms up perspective, we have inbounds that kind of come from teams. And that's actually where a lot of our teams came from 2025.
Samvir Sidhu: Sure. So I'll tackle those and let me know if I missed anything. So firstly, on future teams, I think was your first part of your question. Again, we're in discussions with half a dozen teams. It's difficult to sort of say where we'll land out. We do think it's a question of a little bit of bottoms up as well as top down. So top down, strategically, we think about different strategic areas that we'd like to be in that we aren't in today or we're already in a decentralized way, and it might be better to sort of centralize these and strengthen our overall go-to-market. And then from a bottoms up perspective, we have inbounds that kind of come from teams. And that's actually where a lot of our teams came from 2025.
Speaker #4: Yeah, you touched on Sam. Just kind of curious as to how we could translate that to deposits.
Speaker #1: Sure. So I'll tackle those, and let me know if I missed anything. So, firstly, on future teams—I think that was your first part of your question.
Speaker #1: You know , again , it's , you know , we're in discussions with half a dozen teams . You know , it's difficult to sort of say where we'll land out .
Speaker #1: We do think it's a question of a little bit of bottoms up as well as top down . So top down . Strategically we think about different strategic areas that we'd like to be in , that we aren't in today or we're already in , you know , in decentralized way .
Speaker #1: And it to sort of might be better centralize these and strengthen , you know , you know , our overall go to market .
Operator: And we have to sort of prioritize and think about investments and align those for 2026. So we'll continue to keep you posted. The real focus is continuing on the low-cost deposit gathering in 2026. And as you can imagine, the hiring we do this year will really be for next year. The hiring we did last year is going to start picking up by the middle of this year. And I think we're really excited about that based upon the pipelines that we're seeing and the momentum that we're seeing. So that was the first part of your question. Can you remind me the second part, the last part?
And we have to sort of prioritize and think about investments and align those for 2026. So we'll continue to keep you posted. The real focus is continuing on the low-cost deposit gathering in 2026. And as you can imagine, the hiring we do this year will really be for next year. The hiring we did last year is going to start picking up by the middle of this year. And I think we're really excited about that based upon the pipelines that we're seeing and the momentum that we're seeing. So that was the first part of your question. Can you remind me the second part, the last part?
Speaker #1: A bottoms-up perspective, and then from there we have inbounds that kind of come from teams. And that's actually where a lot of our teams came from.
Speaker #1: You know , from 2025 . And we have to sort of prioritize about investments and think and and you know , and align those for 26 .
Speaker #1: So we'll continue to keep you posted . The real focus is continuing on the low cost deposit gathering . You know , in 26 .
Speaker #1: And as you can imagine, the hiring we do this year will really be for next year. The hiring we did last year is going to start picking up by the middle of this year.
Speaker #1: And I think we're really excited about that, based upon the pipelines that we're seeing and the momentum that we're seeing. So that was the first part.
Mark McCollom: Yes. On the $50 billion in transaction volumes you mentioned, just kind of how do we think about that in terms of deposits?
[Analyst]: Yes. On the $50 billion in transaction volumes you mentioned, just kind of how do we think about that in terms of deposits?
Speaker #1: Of your question . Can you remind me the second part , the last part ,
Operator: Sure. So the projected sort of up to $50 billion of payments volume is related to existing customers. So today, it's really sort of helping customers do business on our operating platform, on advanced payments rails, and strengthening our relationship with those customers and also strengthening the effectiveness of the way that they sort of currently operate and use our platform. I also mentioned that we'll be looking to new verticals. And I think that's also something that we did some hiring for last year, and we're also continuing to align with hiring this year, which is trying to bring on networks from more traditional verticals. And as you can appreciate, payments, deposits typically will be low to no cost to the organization. And that's really going to be our focus.
Samvir Sidhu: Sure. So the projected sort of up to $50 billion of payments volume is related to existing customers. So today, it's really sort of helping customers do business on our operating platform, on advanced payments rails, and strengthening our relationship with those customers and also strengthening the effectiveness of the way that they sort of currently operate and use our platform. I also mentioned that we'll be looking to new verticals. And I think that's also something that we did some hiring for last year, and we're also continuing to align with hiring this year, which is trying to bring on networks from more traditional verticals. And as you can appreciate, payments, deposits typically will be low to no cost to the organization. And that's really going to be our focus.
Speaker #4: Yes. On the $50 billion in transaction volumes you mentioned, just kind of, how do we think about that in terms of deposits?
Speaker #1: Sure . So the the projected sort of up to 50 billion of , of payments volume is related to existing customers . So today it's sort of helping really customers , you know , do business on our operating platform , on advanced payments , you rails and and strengthening our relationship with those customers .
Speaker #1: And also strengthening , you know , their you know , the effectiveness of the way that they sort of . Currently operate and , and use our platform .
Speaker #1: The you know , I also mentioned that , looking we'll be to new verticals . I think that , that's also something that that , you know , we did some hiring for last year , and we're also continuing to align with hiring this year , which is trying to bring on networks from more traditional verticals .
Speaker #1: And as you can appreciate payments , deposits typically are , you know , will be , you know , low to no cost , you know , to to the organization .
Operator: Our goal, I think you heard me say this, we had $500 million of non-digital asset Qubix-related deposit growth in 2025. We hope that's the floor for this year, which would continue to increase our non-interest-bearing deposit percentage of overall deposits.
Our goal, I think you heard me say this, we had $500 million of non-digital asset Qubix-related deposit growth in 2025. We hope that's the floor for this year, which would continue to increase our non-interest-bearing deposit percentage of overall deposits.
Speaker #1: really going And that's to be , our focus . And , you know , our goal . I think you heard me say this .
Speaker #1: had We 500 million of of non digital asset related deposit growth . And and in 25 we hope that's the floor . You know you know for this year which would continue to increase our noninterest bearing deposit percentage of overall deposits .
Mark McCollom: Okay. Appreciate that. And then, just on the loan growth guide here, just wanted to, you had a really strong year for loan growth. Sounds like the pipeline is strong as well. Just kind of wondering kind of what the puts and takes are for your expectations around loan growth here, where you see potentially the best opportunities, and maybe if there's some upside to them over here.
[Analyst]: Okay. Appreciate that. And then, just on the loan growth guide here, just wanted to, you had a really strong year for loan growth. Sounds like the pipeline is strong as well. Just kind of wondering kind of what the puts and takes are for your expectations around loan growth here, where you see potentially the best opportunities, and maybe if there's some upside to them over here.
Speaker #4: Okay, appreciate that. And then, just on the loan growth guide here, I just wanted to know—you had a really strong year for loan growth.
Speaker #4: It sounds like the pipeline is is strong as well . Just kind of wondering kind of what the puts and takes are for your expectations around loan growth here .
Speaker #4: you see potentially the You best opportunities and maybe if there's some upside to the number here . Yeah , sure . that . You I'll take know , again , when you go back and look over the last couple of quarters , Steve , what you've seen is that different groups , you know , stepped to the forefront , you know , commercial real estate , you know , was strong this quarter .
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah, sure. I'll take that. Again, when you go back and look over the last couple of quarters, Steve, what you've seen is that different groups stepped to the forefront. Commercial real estate was strong this quarter. Healthcare was a leader last quarter. We have a lot of room on commercial real estate relative to our peers to be able to add that selectively if the credit's right. And so I would just say that there's no one particular segment that we're more bullish about than the rest. We just think that each group will continue to have its moments, probably to shine in 2026, as we saw in 2025. And there's obviously that's an annual guide. First quarters are typically slow across the entire industry. Second and third quarters tend to ramp up. And but we feel really good about the full-year guide.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah, sure. I'll take that. Again, when you go back and look over the last couple of quarters, Steve, what you've seen is that different groups stepped to the forefront. Commercial real estate was strong this quarter. Healthcare was a leader last quarter. We have a lot of room on commercial real estate relative to our peers to be able to add that selectively if the credit's right. And so I would just say that there's no one particular segment that we're more bullish about than the rest. We just think that each group will continue to have its moments, probably to shine in 2026, as we saw in 2025. And there's obviously that's an annual guide. First quarters are typically slow across the entire industry. Second and third quarters tend to ramp up. And but we feel really good about the full-year guide.
Speaker #4: Healthcare , you a leader last quarter . You know we have we have a lot of room on commercial real estate . You know , relative to our peers to be able to add that , you know , selectively if the credits right .
Speaker #4: And you know , so , you know , I would just say that there's no one particular , you know , segment that we're more bullish about than the rest .
Speaker #4: We just think that, you know, each group will continue to have its moments. Probably a moment to shine in 2026, as we saw in 2025.
Speaker #4: You know , and and there's obviously that's an guide . annual You know for first quarters are are are typically slow . You know across the entire industry .
Speaker #4: You know second and third quarters , you know , tend to ramp up and but you know , we feel we feel really good about the full year guide .
Mark McCollom: Okay. Great. I really appreciate the call here, and I'll step back.
[Analyst]: Okay. Great. I really appreciate the call here, and I'll step back.
Philip Watkins: Your next question comes from the line of Kelly Motta with KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Kelly Motta with KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Okay. Great. I really appreciate the call here, and I'll step back.
Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Kelly Motta with KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Kelly Motta: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question and nice quarter. I guess with your expense guidance for next year, as you noted, allows for some decent positive operating leverage. Just wondering if that factors in any of this additional team pipeline hiring, which presumably over time will drive stronger revenues but comes with higher expenses. So part one of the expense question, then part two, what's embedded in terms of professional fees, which presumably also should come down as you work through the right quarter. Thank you.
Kelly Motta: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question and nice quarter. I guess with your expense guidance for next year, as you noted, allows for some decent positive operating leverage. Just wondering if that factors in any of this additional team pipeline hiring, which presumably over time will drive stronger revenues but comes with higher expenses. So part one of the expense question, then part two, what's embedded in terms of professional fees, which presumably also should come down as you work through the right quarter. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Hey good morning . Thanks for the question . And nice quarter , I guess with your expense expense guidance for next year , as you noted , allows for some decent positive operating leverage .
Speaker #6: Just wondering if that factors in any of this additional team pipeline hiring, which presumably over time will drive stronger revenues.
Speaker #6: But comes with higher expenses . So part of the expense question then part two , what's embedded in terms of professional fees , which presumably also should come down as you work through the strike order ?
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. You bet, Kelly. Good morning. On the first question, yes, our expense guide assumes that we're going to continue investing in teams. And that's part of why we put a specific slide in the deck highlighting our operational excellence initiative, where we're going to continue to find ways to be able to pay for that ongoing flywheel of recruitment of those new teams. And then on the second question on professional services, yeah, we've been signaling to you folks for a couple of quarters that we would expect to see that number come down. We've been right around the sort of $12.5 to $13.5 million in that line item. We are starting to see some of that decline occur actually in the fourth quarter related to some of the build-out of our risk infrastructure.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. You bet, Kelly. Good morning. On the first question, yes, our expense guide assumes that we're going to continue investing in teams. And that's part of why we put a specific slide in the deck highlighting our operational excellence initiative, where we're going to continue to find ways to be able to pay for that ongoing flywheel of recruitment of those new teams. And then on the second question on professional services, yeah, we've been signaling to you folks for a couple of quarters that we would expect to see that number come down. We've been right around the sort of $12.5 to $13.5 million in that line item. We are starting to see some of that decline occur actually in the fourth quarter related to some of the build-out of our risk infrastructure.
Speaker #6: Thank you .
Speaker #4: Yeah . You bet . Good Kelly . morning . Yeah . On the first question , yes , our guide , you expense assumes that we're going to continue investing in teams , you know , and that's part of why we put a specific slide in the deck highlighting .
Speaker #4: our operational You know , excellence initiative . You know , where we're going to continue to find ways to be able to pay for you know that ongoing flywheel of recruitment of those new teams .
Speaker #4: And then on the second question on professional services , yeah , we've been signaling , you know , to you folks for a couple of quarters that we would expect to see that number come down .
Speaker #4: You know , we've been right around the sort of , you know , 12.5 to $13.5 million . You know , in that line item , we are starting to see , you know , some of that decline occur actually in the fourth quarter related to some of the build out of our risk infrastructure .
Samvir Sidhu: But in that professional services fee as legal expenses, and we highlighted it in Q4, we had what we think are more unique costs that should not continue, of $1.9 million, related to some of those 2025 teams that we've onboarded.
But in that professional services fee as legal expenses, and we highlighted it in Q4, we had what we think are more unique costs that should not continue, of $1.9 million, related to some of those 2025 teams that we've onboarded.
Speaker #4: But in that professional services is legal fee expenses. And we highlighted it in the fourth quarter. You know, we had what we think are more unique costs that should not continue of $1.9 million related to some of those 2025 teams that we've onboarded.
Kelly Motta: Got it. That's really helpful. And maybe circling back to the opportunity for Qubix, it seems like it's nice you're positioning yourself as a premier payments-driven bank, and looks like there's good opportunity from industries outside the digital asset space. I think escrow makes sense, but maybe you could just provide us with a couple of use case examples of how you see that fitting in with your existing client base as an opportunity ahead. Thank you.
Kelly Motta: Got it. That's really helpful. And maybe circling back to the opportunity for Qubix, it seems like it's nice you're positioning yourself as a premier payments-driven bank, and looks like there's good opportunity from industries outside the digital asset space. I think escrow makes sense, but maybe you could just provide us with a couple of use case examples of how you see that fitting in with your existing client base as an opportunity ahead. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Got it . That's that's really helpful . And maybe , maybe circling back to the opportunity for Quebec's , I , it seems like , you know , it's a nice position yourself .
Speaker #6: As you know , a Premier payments driven bank . And it looks like there's good industries outside the digital opportunity from space . Like think escrow makes sense , but maybe you could just I provide us with a couple of use case examples of how you see that fitting in with your existing client base as an opportunity ahead .
Operator: Yeah. Sure, Kelly. Appreciate that. And I think that on the slide, we had highlighted a couple of them. I think the first two we mentioned were sort of mortgage finance, which is, as you can appreciate, existing business. And then we also touched on sort of more broadly in the retail industry. And yes, you talked about title, but really, it's not just sort of title and escrow. It's also sort of broadly thinking about the closings of commercial real estate transactions and how we can sort of help and facilitate our customers and their partners. And we're seeing really good traction there. And as you can appreciate, with the less tech-savvy industries, builds take longer, but the stickiness is even stronger. And so we are really excited about this.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. Sure, Kelly. Appreciate that. And I think that on the slide, we had highlighted a couple of them. I think the first two we mentioned were sort of mortgage finance, which is, as you can appreciate, existing business. And then we also touched on sort of more broadly in the retail industry. And yes, you talked about title, but really, it's not just sort of title and escrow. It's also sort of broadly thinking about the closings of commercial real estate transactions and how we can sort of help and facilitate our customers and their partners. And we're seeing really good traction there. And as you can appreciate, with the less tech-savvy industries, builds take longer, but the stickiness is even stronger. And so we are really excited about this.
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Speaker #1: you know , appreciate that . , sure . Kelly , And , you know , I on the slide we had highlighted a couple of them .
Speaker #1: I think the first two we mentioned think that mortgage finance, which is, as you can appreciate, existing business. And then we also touched on, sort of more broadly, in the retail industry.
Speaker #1: And yes , you about title , but really it's sort not just talked escrow . title sort of broadly thinking It's also about , you know , the closings of real estate commercial sort of help transactions and how and facilitate our customers and their partners .
Speaker #1: we're seeing , really good And traction , there . And as you can appreciate , with the less tech savvy industries , builds take longer .
Operator: And frankly, because these would be new customer relationships, the first part, sort of like, say, on mortgage finance, it really helps you strengthen and deepen your existing relationships, helps you broaden customers around the edges. But de novo industries are really exciting for us.
And frankly, because these would be new customer relationships, the first part, sort of like, say, on mortgage finance, it really helps you strengthen and deepen your existing relationships, helps you broaden customers around the edges. But de novo industries are really exciting for us.
Speaker #1: the But stickiness is even stronger . And so , you know , we are really excited about this . And frankly , because these would be new customer relationships .
Speaker #1: You know , the first part , you know , sort of like say on mortgage finance , it really strengthen and deepen your existing relationships , helps you broaden , you know , customers around the edges .
Brian Wilczynski: Hi, good morning. I was wondering if you could speak to the resiliency of the Qubix platform in light of some of the volatility in cryptocurrency prices that we saw in the fourth quarter. I understand that volatility does often drive higher trading activity, but can you just speak to what else drove the relative stability in Qubix-related deposits in the fourth quarter despite some of the volatility we saw in the market? Thanks.
Brian Wilczynski: Hi, good morning. I was wondering if you could speak to the resiliency of the Qubix platform in light of some of the volatility in cryptocurrency prices that we saw in the fourth quarter. I understand that volatility does often drive higher trading activity, but can you just speak to what else drove the relative stability in Qubix-related deposits in the fourth quarter despite some of the volatility we saw in the market? Thanks.
Speaker #2: Next question comes from the line of Brian Wolczynski from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hi. Good morning. I was wondering if you could speak to the resiliency of the Cubic's platform in light of some of the volatility in cryptocurrency prices that we saw in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #7: I understand that volatility does often drive higher trading activity, but can you just speak to what else drove the relative stability in Cubic's related deposits in the fourth quarter?
Operator: Yeah. Hi, good morning, Brian. Yeah. So I think that you hit the nail on the head. I think that changes in prices actually mean increased volatility, just like you see in traditional markets with volatility trading related type traditional players. And it's similar in the digital asset ecosystem. So on days of the highest amount of volatility, you see the highest amounts of network activity and balances. And I think that really just speaks to that. So say our spot balances were $100 million below the average on 31 December. On 30 September, they were $100 million above the Q3 average. And we've always said they operate sort of within a plus or minus, generally operate within a ±10% type thresholds.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. Hi, good morning, Brian. Yeah. So I think that you hit the nail on the head. I think that changes in prices actually mean increased volatility, just like you see in traditional markets with volatility trading related type traditional players. And it's similar in the digital asset ecosystem. So on days of the highest amount of volatility, you see the highest amounts of network activity and balances. And I think that really just speaks to that. So say our spot balances were $100 million below the average on 31 December. On 30 September, they were $100 million above the Q3 average. And we've always said they operate sort of within a plus or minus, generally operate within a ±10% type thresholds.
Speaker #7: Despite some of the volatility we saw in the Thanks market,
Speaker #1: Hi . Good morning Brian . Yeah . So I think that you you hit the nail on the head . I think that , you know , changes in prices actually mean increased volatility .
Speaker #1: Just like you see in traditional markets with you know with volatility trading related you know type traditional players . And it's a similar , you know , in the digital asset , you know ecosystem .
Speaker #1: So, on days that the highest amount of volatility, you do see the highest amounts of network activity and balances. And I think that really, you know, speaks to that.
Speaker #1: So you know say our spot balances were 100 million below the average on , you know , 1231 on 930 . There were $100 million above the Q3 average .
Speaker #1: You know , and we've always said the operate sort of within a plus or minus generally operate within a plus or -10% , you know , type thresholds and you know , so to put it in perspective , well , you know , New Year's Eve and New Year's Day was on a Thursday .
Operator: And so, to put it in perspective, while New Year's Eve and New Year's Day was on a Thursday, last Thursday, as an example, we were at $4.4 billion in balances. And based upon the market activity that was occurring over the prior week or so, which all ends up going through our balance sheet through multiple customers, exchanges, custodians, and market makers. And then, over the last couple of days, a little bit less than sort of the average that you're seeing there. So, I think that that's really the power. But to sort of step back, we've seen balances dramatically increase since Q4 of last year. And then we saw another step function in the beginning of Q3 with the passing of Genius and then maintaining a new band within that higher step function.
And so, to put it in perspective, while New Year's Eve and New Year's Day was on a Thursday, last Thursday, as an example, we were at $4.4 billion in balances. And based upon the market activity that was occurring over the prior week or so, which all ends up going through our balance sheet through multiple customers, exchanges, custodians, and market makers. And then, over the last couple of days, a little bit less than sort of the average that you're seeing there. So, I think that that's really the power. But to sort of step back, we've seen balances dramatically increase since Q4 of last year. And then we saw another step function in the beginning of Q3 with the passing of Genius and then maintaining a new band within that higher step function.
Speaker #1: You know , last Thursday , as an example , we were at 4.4 billion , you in balances and and you know , based upon , you know , market activity that was occurring , you know , over the prior week or so , which all ends up going through our balance sheet through multiple customers and exchanges and , you know , custodians and , and market makers .
Speaker #1: So and then , you know , over the last couple of days , a little bit less than , you know , the sort of the , the average that think that that's really you're seeing there .
Speaker #1: the So I But to step sort of back power . , you know , we've seen increase balances dramatically since Q4 of then we last year .
Speaker #1: saw another step And function Q in beginning of Q3 , you know , the with passing of genius , and then maintaining , you know , a new band within that higher step function .
Operator: I think that's really how we see the strength of this platform, is as we continue to strengthen product offerings, as we continue to enable more payment rails for existing customers, as we continue to bring on more traditional players, our goal is to sort of see a new floor to sort of operate within that sort of payment spend.
I think that's really how we see the strength of this platform, is as we continue to strengthen product offerings, as we continue to enable more payment rails for existing customers, as we continue to bring on more traditional players, our goal is to sort of see a new floor to sort of operate within that sort of payment spend.
Speaker #1: And I think that's really how we see the strength of this platform is as we continue to strengthen products offerings , as we continue to enable more payment rails for existing customers , as we continue to bring on more traditional players , we'll , you know , our our goal is to sort of see a new floor , to sort of operate within that sort of , you know , payments band .
Brian Wilczynski: That's really helpful, Caller. Thank you. And earlier in the call, when you were talking about the 2026 priorities, one of the things that you talked about was deepening relationships with the existing client base, adding additional products and services. I was wondering if you could just give us a few examples of some of the key focus areas that you have, additional products and capabilities you're adding, and how that translates into deeper relationships with Qubix. Thank you.
Brian Wilczynski: That's really helpful, Caller. Thank you. And earlier in the call, when you were talking about the 2026 priorities, one of the things that you talked about was deepening relationships with the existing client base, adding additional products and services. I was wondering if you could just give us a few examples of some of the key focus areas that you have, additional products and capabilities you're adding, and how that translates into deeper relationships with Qubix. Thank you.
Speaker #7: That's really helpful . Color . Thank you . And , you know , earlier in the call , when you were talking about the 2026 priorities , one of the things that you talked about was deepening relationships with the existing client base , adding additional products and services .
Speaker #7: I was wondering if you could just give us a few examples of some of the key focus areas where you have additional products and capabilities.
Operator: Yeah, sure. So I think that I talked about new payment rails. That's obviously incredibly important. And I think that what we're also looking to do is consider, not all of our—to put it in perspective, not all of our customers use all of the payment rails that we offer. Secondly, while we're the on-off ramp to the digital asset ecosystem from fiat to digital asset ecosystem, we're not always the on-off ramp for our customers onto the sort of fiat rails as well. And then there's sort of bespoke, sort of market-specific, and, in many cases, sort of trade secret-specific type functionality that clients ask for from us that we also sort of enable. So we are continuing within each major customer. We're sort of very focused on building and strengthening our relationship with them.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah, sure. So I think that I talked about new payment rails. That's obviously incredibly important. And I think that what we're also looking to do is consider, not all of our—to put it in perspective, not all of our customers use all of the payment rails that we offer. Secondly, while we're the on-off ramp to the digital asset ecosystem from fiat to digital asset ecosystem, we're not always the on-off ramp for our customers onto the sort of fiat rails as well. And then there's sort of bespoke, sort of market-specific, and, in many cases, sort of trade secret-specific type functionality that clients ask for from us that we also sort of enable. So we are continuing within each major customer. We're sort of very focused on building and strengthening our relationship with them.
Speaker #7: You're adding, and how that translates into deeper relationships with Cubex. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Yeah , sure . So , you know , I think that , you know , we you know , I talked about new payment rails .
Speaker #1: That's obviously , you know , incredibly important . You know , and I think that what we're also looking to , you know , to do is consider , you know , not all of our to put it in perspective , not all of our customers all of the use payment rails that we offer .
Speaker #1: you know , Secondly , while we're the off on ramp , you know , to the digital asset ecosystem from fiat to to digital asset ecosystem , we're not always the on off ramp for our customers .
Speaker #1: You know , onto the sort of fiat , you know , you know , rails as well . You know , and then there's sort of bespoke sort of market specific and in many cases sort of trade , you know , secret specific type .
Speaker #1: You know , functionality that clients ask for , you from us , that we also sort of enable . So we are continuing within each major customer .
Operator: And frankly, what we're doing is we're helping them to run their business more effectively. And as you can appreciate, a lot of our customers have been very focused on driving sort of regulatory clarity, no pun intended, as well as sort of legislation. And they're also very focused on product. And to sort of be very, very effective on product, they need us and sort of the traditional fiat rails to sort of help them with that. So there's a lot of activity going on, especially sort of beginning in sort of Q3, Q4 of last year.
And frankly, what we're doing is we're helping them to run their business more effectively. And as you can appreciate, a lot of our customers have been very focused on driving sort of regulatory clarity, no pun intended, as well as sort of legislation. And they're also very focused on product. And to sort of be very, very effective on product, they need us and sort of the traditional fiat rails to sort of help them with that. So there's a lot of activity going on, especially sort of beginning in sort of Q3, Q4 of last year.
Speaker #1: We're sort of very focused on , on building and strengthening . You know , our , our relationship with them . And frankly , what we're doing is , is we're helping them , you know , to to run their business more effectively .
Speaker #1: And as you can appreciate , a lot of our customers have been very focused on driving sort of , you know , regulatory clarity , no pun intended , as well as sort of legislation .
Speaker #1: And they're also very focused on product . And , you know , to sort of be very , very effective on product . They need us , you know , and sort of , you know , the traditional fiat rails to sort of help them with that .
Speaker #1: So there's a lot , a lot of activity going on , you know , especially sort of beginning in sort of Q3 , Q4 of last year .
Brian Wilczynski: Really appreciate all the detail, and thanks for taking my questions.
Brian Wilczynski: Really appreciate all the detail, and thanks for taking my questions.
Philip Watkins: Your next question comes from the line of Peter Winter with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Peter Winter with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Really appreciate all the detail and thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker #2: Next, your question comes from the line of Peter Winter with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Samvir Sidhu: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to start with credit quality. Obviously, it's been very good. It's low non-performing loans relative to peers, but there was a $15 million increase in C&I and $2 million in multifamily. Just could you provide some details around the increase and maybe give an update on the credit outlook?
Peter Winter: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to start with credit quality. Obviously, it's been very good. It's low non-performing loans relative to peers, but there was a $15 million increase in C&I and $2 million in multifamily. Just could you provide some details around the increase and maybe give an update on the credit outlook?
Speaker #8: Thanks . Good morning . I wanted to start with credit quality . Obviously it's been very good . It's it's low nonperforming loans relative to peers .
Speaker #8: But there was a $15 million increase in C&I and $2 million in multifamily. Could you provide some details around the increase and maybe give an update on the credit outlook?
Mark McCollom: Yeah. Hey, Peter. Good morning.
Mark McCollom: Yeah. Hey, Peter. Good morning.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. Yeah. I would say that our credit quality was, as you pointed out, starting from a very, very low base. So it doesn't take many deals to actually move the needle for us. On the non-performing side, I mean, it was largely one transaction, about a $10, $11 million credit. It is currently under agreement, and we're hoping to have either a restructuring or a resolution of that asset in Q1. But I would continue to say that when you look back, we had two quarters, Q3 and Q4, that were extraordinarily low in terms of NPA and NPL ratios. So I think what you see here in Q4 is certainly not unusual and still puts us feeling really good about overall credit quality.
Yeah. Yeah. I would say that our credit quality was, as you pointed out, starting from a very, very low base. So it doesn't take many deals to actually move the needle for us. On the non-performing side, I mean, it was largely one transaction, about a $10, $11 million credit. It is currently under agreement, and we're hoping to have either a restructuring or a resolution of that asset in Q1. But I would continue to say that when you look back, we had two quarters, Q3 and Q4, that were extraordinarily low in terms of NPA and NPL ratios. So I think what you see here in Q4 is certainly not unusual and still puts us feeling really good about overall credit quality.
Speaker #8: Yeah ,
Speaker #4: Hey , Peter , good morning . Yeah , yeah , I would say that our credit quality was , as you pointed out , starting from a very , very low base , you know , so it doesn't take , you know , many deals , you know , to actually move , you know , move the needle for us , you know , on the nonperforming side , I mean , it was it was largely one transaction , you know , about a ten , $11 million credit .
Speaker #4: You know , it is you know , currently under agreement . And , you know , we're hoping to have , you know , either either a restructuring or a resolution of that asset in the first quarter , you know , but , you know , I would continue to say that when you look back , we had two quarters , three Q and four Q that were extraordinarily low in terms of , you NPA and MPL ratios , you know , so I think what you see here in the fourth quarter , you know , is certainly not unusual .
Brian Wilczynski: The multifamily prop, multifamily, was that a New York City rent-controlled property? Just curious around that.
Peter Winter: The multifamily prop, multifamily, was that a New York City rent-controlled property? Just curious around that.
Speaker #4: And still , you know , puts us , you know , feeling really good about overall credit quality .
Speaker #8: And the multifamily multifamily . Was that a a New York City rent controlled property . Just curious around that .
Mark McCollom: I don't have the stats to know specifically what it was because as you pointed out, it was a $2 million credit. So I'm not sure if that came from primarily rent-regulated multifamily or just our broader multifamily, which is the majority of our multifamily is in sort of a four-state region around the Mid-Atlantic.
Mark McCollom: I don't have the stats to know specifically what it was because as you pointed out, it was a $2 million credit. So I'm not sure if that came from primarily rent-regulated multifamily or just our broader multifamily, which is the majority of our multifamily is in sort of a four-state region around the Mid-Atlantic.
Speaker #4: I have the don't stats to know what it was because because you pointed out it was a $2 million credit . So so I'm not sure , you know , if that came from , you know , primarily rent regulated multifamily or broader just our multifamily , which is the majority of our multifamily is in sort of a four state region around the Mid-Atlantic .
Brian Wilczynski: Right. And then if I could just ask, the benefit, I believe, from the deferred loan fees ends this quarter. What's a good starting point for the first quarter margin and maybe talk about how you think about the trajectory of the margin this year?
Brian Wilczynski: Right. And then if I could just ask, the benefit, I believe, from the deferred loan fees ends this quarter. What's a good starting point for the first quarter margin and maybe talk about how you think about the trajectory of the margin this year?
Speaker #8: Okay . And then if I could just ask the the benefit , I believe , from the deferred loan fees is ends this quarter .
Speaker #8: What's a good starting point for the first quarter margin, and maybe talk about how you think about the trajectory of the margin this year.
Mark McCollom: Yeah, sure. If you go back to Q2 2025 and kind of project forward from there, I think that's kind of a good place to start. Second quarter margin was a 3.7. We had just a little bit, about half of a month of accretion in the second quarter. But with some of the deposit remix that we've done, I think that kind of 3.25, 3.27 level might be a good place to start and then build from there throughout 2026.
Mark McCollom: Yeah, sure. If you go back to Q2 2025 and kind of project forward from there, I think that's kind of a good place to start. Second quarter margin was a 3.7. We had just a little bit, about half of a month of accretion in the second quarter. But with some of the deposit remix that we've done, I think that kind of 3.25, 3.27 level might be a good place to start and then build from there throughout 2026.
Speaker #4: Yeah sure . If you go back to the second quarter 25 , of you know , and , you know , kind of project forward from there , I think that's kind of a good place to start .
Speaker #4: You know , second quarter margin was a 3.7 . You know , we had just a little bit of one , you know , about month half of a of accretion in the second quarter .
Speaker #4: You know . But with some of the deposit remix that we've done , you know , I think that kind of 325 327 , you know , level might be a good place to start .
Brian Wilczynski: Got it. Thanks, Mark.
Peter Winter: Got it. Thanks, Mark.
Speaker #4: And then, and then build, you know, from there throughout 2026.
Mark McCollom: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess one other thing I would add is that in the first quarter here, I mean, we are modestly, obviously, asset-sensitive. And so we did see a couple of basis point decline late in the quarter from Q3 to Q4. But I think somewhere around that 3.25, plus or minus a couple of basis points, would be a good place to start from and then build out from there.
Mark McCollom: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess one other thing I would add is that in the first quarter here, I mean, we are modestly, obviously, asset-sensitive. And so we did see a couple of basis point decline late in the quarter from Q3 to Q4. But I think somewhere around that 3.25, plus or minus a couple of basis points, would be a good place to start from and then build out from there.
Speaker #8: Got it. Thanks, Mark.
Speaker #4: You know . Yeah . Yeah I guess one other thing I would add , you know , is that in the first quarter here , I mean we are modestly obviously asset sensitive you know , so .
Speaker #4: And you know you know we did see a couple of bit decline , you know , linked quarter from three 2 to 4 Q you know , but I think but I think somewhere around that , around that 325 you know , plus or minus a couple basis points would be a good place to start from .
Brian Wilczynski: Okay. Thank you.
Peter Winter: Okay. Thank you.
Mark McCollom: Yep.
Mark McCollom: Yep.
Speaker #4: And then build out from there.
Philip Watkins: Your next question comes from the line of Tyler Kachitori from Stephens Inc. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tyler Kachitori from Stephens Inc. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: Okay. Thank you. Yep.
Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Tyler Cacciatore from Stephens Inc. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Tyler Kachitori: Good morning. This is Tyler from Stephens.
Tyler Kachitori: Good morning. This is Tyler from Stephens.
Mark McCollom: Hey, Tyler. Good morning.
Mark McCollom: Hey, Tyler. Good morning.
Tyler Kachitori: Good morning. Most of my questions have already been answered, but I guess, just starting on Qubix, and appreciate a lot of the color you've provided there. Can you just provide us some context on the size of the customer base in that business?
Tyler Kachitori: Good morning. Most of my questions have already been answered, but I guess, just starting on Qubix, and appreciate a lot of the color you've provided there. Can you just provide us some context on the size of the customer base in that business?
Speaker #9: Good morning. This is Tyler on for Matt Bryce.
Speaker #4: Hey , Tyler .
Speaker #9: Good morning. Good morning. Most of my questions have already been, but I guess just starting on cubics, and I appreciate a lot of the color you've provided there.
Speaker #9: Can you just provide us some context on the size of the customer base in that business?
Operator: Hey, Tyler. Sam here. So we have hundreds of customers that operate within that industry. And I think one of the things that I mentioned a couple of quarters ago is there's no real material change to our customer base because we actually are the market leader. We are around the edges adding for existing customers some of their counterparties, edge counterparties that aren't already on the network. And then we're also adding sort of new traditional finance nodes, which are less active as sort of the more digital asset-first type customers. So we're broadening the network with some of those players who connect to a lot of our existing customers. They don't drive huge deposit balances, but they tremendously strengthen both the breadth, the quality, and the stickiness of the network.
Samvir Sidhu: Hey, Tyler. Sam here. So we have hundreds of customers that operate within that industry. And I think one of the things that I mentioned a couple of quarters ago is there's no real material change to our customer base because we actually are the market leader. We are around the edges adding for existing customers some of their counterparties, edge counterparties that aren't already on the network. And then we're also adding sort of new traditional finance nodes, which are less active as sort of the more digital asset-first type customers. So we're broadening the network with some of those players who connect to a lot of our existing customers. They don't drive huge deposit balances, but they tremendously strengthen both the breadth, the quality, and the stickiness of the network.
Speaker #1: Hey , Tyler . Sam here . So , you we have hundreds of customers , you that are that , you know , operate within that industry .
Speaker #1: And I think one of the things that I mentioned a couple quarters ago is there's no real material change , you know , to our customer base because we actually , you know , are the market leader .
Speaker #1: We are around the edges adding for existing customers , some of their counterparties edge counterparties that aren't already on the network . And then we're also adding , you know , sort of new traditional finance nodes , which are less active as sort of the more digital asset first type customers .
Speaker #1: So we're broadening the network with some of those players who connect to a lot of our existing customers . They don't drive huge deposit balances , but they tremendously strengthen , you know , both the breadth , the quality and the stickiness of the network .
Brian Wilczynski: Thank you. And then, if you could just update us on the regulatory order and where you stand in terms of items that need to be addressed there?
Tyler Kachitori: Thank you. And then, if you could just update us on the regulatory order and where you stand in terms of items that need to be addressed there?
Speaker #9: Thank you. And then, if you could just update us on the regulatory order and where you stand in terms of items that need to be addressed there.
Operator: Yeah. Sure. So as of the end of the year, we are substantially done with our plan. And I'm excited to say that in 2026, our focus is to put this behind us. So one of the things kind of just building off of what I just talked about with Qubix and the network, frankly, the work is now a massive competitive advantage. And the moat is, frankly, as a result of this, as big as the benefit of the network effect.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. Sure. So as of the end of the year, we are substantially done with our plan. And I'm excited to say that in 2026, our focus is to put this behind us. So one of the things kind of just building off of what I just talked about with Qubix and the network, frankly, the work is now a massive competitive advantage. And the moat is, frankly, as a result of this, as big as the benefit of the network effect.
Speaker #1: Yeah , sure . So as of the end of the year , we are substantially done with our plan . And I'm , you know , excited to say that in 2026 are focus is to put this behind us .
Speaker #1: So one of the things kind of just building off of what I just talked about with , with cubics in the network , frankly , the work is now a massive competitive advantage and the is moat frankly , as a result of this is as big as the benefit of the network effects .
Tyler Kachitori: All right. Well, thank you. That was very helpful. I'll step off now.
Tyler Kachitori: All right. Well, thank you. That was very helpful. I'll step off now.
Philip Watkins: Your next question comes from the line of David Bishop with Hovde Group LLC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of David Bishop with Hovde Group LLC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: All right . Well , thank you . That was very helpful . I'll step off now .
Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of David Bishop with Hovde Group LLC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Kyle Gierman: Hey, good morning. This is Kyle Gierman on for David Bishop. And congratulations, Sam, on the transition. Most of my questions have already been answered, but I was wondering if you could provide some color on the yields at which new loans were originated and add to the books this quarter, and also your current read on the competition in your lending markets. Thanks.
Kyle Gierman: Hey, good morning. This is Kyle Gierman on for David Bishop. And congratulations, Sam, on the transition. Most of my questions have already been answered, but I was wondering if you could provide some color on the yields at which new loans were originated and add to the books this quarter, and also your current read on the competition in your lending markets. Thanks.
Speaker #10: Hey . Good morning . This is Kyle Gierman on for Dave Bishop . And congratulations , Sam , on the transition . Most of my questions have already been answered , but I was wondering if you could provide some color on the yields at which new loans were originated and add to the books this quarter , and also your current read on the competition in your lending markets .
Mark McCollom: Yeah. Yeah. I'll take the first one, and then Sam can comment on competition or markets. For new loan originations, principally, we're a commercial bank, so I'll just focus on the commercial yields. We are going to be anywhere between 225 and 275 basis points over Fed funds or SOFR, depending on the business line. A couple of our business lines might approach 300 basis points, but the majority of new originations are between 225 and 275 basis points over cost of funds.
Mark McCollom: Yeah. Yeah. I'll take the first one, and then Sam can comment on competition or markets. For new loan originations, principally, we're a commercial bank, so I'll just focus on the commercial yields. We are going to be anywhere between 225 and 275 basis points over Fed funds or SOFR, depending on the business line. A couple of our business lines might approach 300 basis points, but the majority of new originations are between 225 and 275 basis points over cost of funds.
Speaker #10: Thanks .
Speaker #4: Yeah , yeah , I'll take the first one and then Sam can comment on competition or markets for new loan originations . You know , principally we're commercial banks .
Speaker #4: I'll just focus on the commercial yields. We are going to be anywhere between 200, 225, and 275 basis points over Fed funds or SOFR.
Speaker #4: You know , depending on the business line , you know , a couple of our business lines might approach 300 basis points , but the majority of new originations are between 225 and 275 basis points over cost of funds .
Operator: Yeah. And just in terms of competition, what I would just say is that I think it can see on the loan growth slide, but not only for the quarter growth, but also for the year, that there's just a broad base of diversified loan growth across a number of commercial verticals. So the benefit we have is that as both sort of supply and demand dynamics in each of those verticals change, we're able to sort of lean in. And in some quarters, you'll have healthcare stepping up a little bit more. In other quarters, you'll have mortgage warehouse refinance activity step up. So generally, we're seeing a good, diversified, durable loan growth. As you can appreciate, in 2025, generally, the broad-based industry saw a bit of pricing pressure.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. And just in terms of competition, what I would just say is that I think it can see on the loan growth slide, but not only for the quarter growth, but also for the year, that there's just a broad base of diversified loan growth across a number of commercial verticals. So the benefit we have is that as both sort of supply and demand dynamics in each of those verticals change, we're able to sort of lean in. And in some quarters, you'll have healthcare stepping up a little bit more. In other quarters, you'll have mortgage warehouse refinance activity step up. So generally, we're seeing a good, diversified, durable loan growth. As you can appreciate, in 2025, generally, the broad-based industry saw a bit of pricing pressure.
Speaker #1: Yeah . And just in terms of , you know , competition , you know what I would just say is that I think you can see on the loan growth slide , but not only for the quarter , but also for the year , that there's just a broad base of diversified loan growth across a number of commercial verticals .
Speaker #1: So , you know , the benefit we have is , is that as you know , both sort of supply and demand , you know , dynamics in each of those verticals , you know , change .
Speaker #1: We're able to sort of lean in and in some quarters you'll have healthcare stepping up a little bit more . In other quarters you'll have mortgage warehouse , you know , refinance activity , step up .
Speaker #1: So generally , you know , we're seeing , you know , a good diversified , durable , you know , loan growth as you can appreciate in 25 .
Operator: But as you saw from sort of our NII growth and sort of Mark's comments related to margin, we continue to see the benefit. There's a great chart that the team kind of pulled together on the driving down of the delta between our interest-bearing cost of deposits relative to our peer group versus from end of 2022 versus where we are today. And that's really a much bigger driver than sort of changes on loan yields and competition.
But as you saw from sort of our NII growth and sort of Mark's comments related to margin, we continue to see the benefit. There's a great chart that the team kind of pulled together on the driving down of the delta between our interest-bearing cost of deposits relative to our peer group versus from end of 2022 versus where we are today. And that's really a much bigger driver than sort of changes on loan yields and competition.
Speaker #1: Generally the broad based industry saw a bit of pricing pressure . But you know as you saw from sort of our NII , know , you growth and and sort of Mark's comments related to margin , you know , we continue to see the benefit , a , you know , a great chart that the team kind of pulled together on the the , you know , driving down the delta between , you know , our cost of deposits relative to our peer group relative , you know , versus , you know , from end of 22 versus where we are today .
Speaker #1: And that's really , you know , a much bigger driver than sort of changes on loan yields . And , and competition .
Kyle Gierman: Thank you for taking my questions. I'll step back now.
Kyle Gierman: Thank you for taking my questions. I'll step back now.
Philip Watkins: Your next question comes from the line of Hal Goetsch with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Hal Goetsch with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #10: Thank you for taking my questions. I'll step back now.
Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Hal Getch with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Mark McCollom: Hey. Thank you. Great quarter and great year. Just wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions back to Qubix. This is for more general information. It's a great slide on slide hits, and thank you for that. I just wanted to know if the addition of instant payment platforms, real-time payments instead now, are those payment rails cannibalizing the traditional wire and ACH business, or is most of these new capabilities incremental to volumes? That's my first question. Thanks.
Hal Geotsch: Hey. Thank you. Great quarter and great year. Just wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions back to Qubix. This is for more general information. It's a great slide on slide hits, and thank you for that. I just wanted to know if the addition of instant payment platforms, real-time payments instead now, are those payment rails cannibalizing the traditional wire and ACH business, or is most of these new capabilities incremental to volumes? That's my first question. Thanks.
Speaker #11: Thank you . Great quarter and great year . I , I just wanted to ask you a couple of quick questions . Back to cubic and this is more general information .
Speaker #11: You know , when you just great it's a slide on slide . And thank you for that . I just wanted to know if the addition of instant platforms , payment real time payments instead .
Speaker #11: Now are those payment rails cannibalizing the traditional wire and ACH business , or most of this most of this , these new capabilities incremental to volumes or that's my first question .
Operator: Yep. Sure. Good morning, Al. Right now, we're sort of seeing an additional incremental to sort of more traditional rails. So it's not necessarily sort of a big tectonic shift. There are different ways that some of our customers like to utilize different channels both for them as well as their counterparties. And we're helping them think about sort of also sort of next-gen type ways to sort of utilize pushes and pulls within our network as well as sort of outside and sort of bringing in new dollars as well. So there's a lot of interesting things that are happening in the industry, and we continue to see evolution. We really are at the forefront of advancing many of these technologies because we have an established existing tech-forward payment-focused customer base.
Samvir Sidhu: Yep. Sure. Good morning, Al. Right now, we're sort of seeing an additional incremental to sort of more traditional rails. So it's not necessarily sort of a big tectonic shift. There are different ways that some of our customers like to utilize different channels both for them as well as their counterparties. And we're helping them think about sort of also sort of next-gen type ways to sort of utilize pushes and pulls within our network as well as sort of outside and sort of bringing in new dollars as well. So there's a lot of interesting things that are happening in the industry, and we continue to see evolution. We really are at the forefront of advancing many of these technologies because we have an established existing tech-forward payment-focused customer base.
Speaker #11: Thanks .
Speaker #1: Yeah , sure . Good morning Hal . You know , right now we're sort of seeing an additional know , , you sort of more incremental to traditional rails .
Speaker #1: So it's not necessarily sort of a big tectonic shift . It's there are different ways that some of our customers , you know , like to , you know , utilize different channels , both for them as well as their counterparties .
Speaker #1: And we're helping them think about sort of also sort of next gen type ways to sort of utilize pushes and pulls and , you know , within our network as well as sort of outside and , and sort of bringing in new , new , new dollars as well .
Speaker #1: So, there are a lot of interesting things that are happening in the industry. And, you know, we continue to see evolution.
Speaker #1: We really are at the forefront of advancing many of these technologies because we have a established existing tech forward , you payment focused customer base .
Mark McCollom: When you use the term large or massive competitive advantage in this platform now, how would you describe that competitive advantage? Is it a barrier to entry now? Is it network effects that you're generating before anybody else? Can you try to start a new platform? There was like a narrow, or for example, was it a narrow window to innovate like this? And now that you're up and running, you're garnering a lot of network effects that prevent others from trying something similar. What are the sources, or how would you describe the competitive advantages?
Hal Geotsch: When you use the term large or massive competitive advantage in this platform now, how would you describe that competitive advantage? Is it a barrier to entry now? Is it network effects that you're generating before anybody else? Can you try to start a new platform? There was like a narrow, or for example, was it a narrow window to innovate like this? And now that you're up and running, you're garnering a lot of network effects that prevent others from trying something similar. What are the sources, or how would you describe the competitive advantages?
Speaker #11: And when you use you use the term , you know , large or massive competitive advantage in this in this platform . Now how would you describe that competitive advantage .
Speaker #11: Is it is it a is it a barrier to entry now . Is it it is it network effects . You're generating before anybody else ?
Speaker #11: Just try to start a new platform . There was like a narrow or like for example , was this a narrow window to innovate like this .
Speaker #11: And now that you're up and running, you're garnering a lot of network effects that prevent others from trying something. What are the—what similar...
Operator: Sure. So it absolutely is sort of a barrier to entry. And the way that we sort of see the strengthening of that mode is sort of like you talked about with the network effect is, as you can appreciate, in 2024 and early 2025, we were heads down in sort of making sure that we were focused on making sure we satisfied sort of regulatory requirements. And now, at this point in time, we're really importantly focused on broadening the way that these guys and our customers do business. So to answer your question, is that flywheel of network effect just keeps getting stronger and stronger, which creates a lot more stickiness. And then you also just think about it operationally. Operationally, the volume that we are sort of operating under is really at levels of category 3, category 4 type banks and institutions.
Samvir Sidhu: Sure. So it absolutely is sort of a barrier to entry. And the way that we sort of see the strengthening of that mode is sort of like you talked about with the network effect is, as you can appreciate, in 2024 and early 2025, we were heads down in sort of making sure that we were focused on making sure we satisfied sort of regulatory requirements. And now, at this point in time, we're really importantly focused on broadening the way that these guys and our customers do business. So to answer your question, is that flywheel of network effect just keeps getting stronger and stronger, which creates a lot more stickiness. And then you also just think about it operationally. Operationally, the volume that we are sort of operating under is really at levels of category 3, category 4 type banks and institutions.
Speaker #11: Are there sources, or how would you describe the competitive advantages?
Speaker #1: Sure . You know , so it absolutely is sort of a , you know , a barrier to entry and and the way that we sort of see the strengthening of that mode is sort of like you talked about with the network effect is as you can appreciate , in , in 24 and early 25 , you know , we were down heads and sort of making sure that we were focused on , you know , you know , making sure we satisfied sort of regulatory requirements .
Speaker #1: And now at this point in time , we're really focused on broadening , you know , the way that these guys and our customers , you know , do business .
Speaker #1: So to answer your question is , is that that flywheel of network effect just keeps getting stronger and stronger , which creates a lot more stickiness .
Speaker #1: And then you also just think about it operationally . Operationally , the volume that we are , you know , sort of operating under is really at levels of category three , category for type , you know , banks and institutions .
Operator: So when you think about the competition, and then you add in sort of the risk and compliance mode that we talked about that we've sort of invested a tremendous amount of people, process, and technology on, you put all of that together, the types of institutions that could even compete. You can count on one hand with us. And then how many of those are actually focused in the space, etc., it's very de minimis. And I think that's really the interesting position that we're in. We're more confident in our market position today than we were six months ago.
So when you think about the competition, and then you add in sort of the risk and compliance mode that we talked about that we've sort of invested a tremendous amount of people, process, and technology on, you put all of that together, the types of institutions that could even compete. You can count on one hand with us. And then how many of those are actually focused in the space, etc., it's very de minimis. And I think that's really the interesting position that we're in. We're more confident in our market position today than we were six months ago.
Speaker #1: So, when you think about the competition and then you add in sort of the risk and compliance that we talked about—that we've sort of invested a tremendous amount of people, process, and technology on.
Speaker #1: put all You that together . You know , the types of institutions that could even compete , you could count on one hand , you know , with us .
Speaker #1: And then how many of those are actually focused in the space , etc. . It's a it's very de minimis . And I think that's really the interesting , you know , position that we're in .
Mark McCollom: Great. Thank you for that. I guess one quick follow-up around this time, but Sam will lead in the AI efforts. Can you give us a couple of anecdotes on how AI is making processes more efficient, saving money, improving underwriting? Let me know.
Hal Geotsch: Great. Thank you for that. I guess one quick follow-up around this time, but Sam will lead in the AI efforts. Can you give us a couple of anecdotes on how AI is making processes more efficient, saving money, improving underwriting? Let me know.
Speaker #1: We're more confident in our market position today than we were six months ago.
Speaker #11: Great . Thank you for that . And I guess one one quick follow up on . So you're leading the AI efforts . Can you give us a of couple on anecdotes how AI is making processes more efficient , saving money , improving underwriting ?
Operator: Yeah. Sure. So we, in frankly, the banking industry has been slow to discuss AI because there's actually, as you can understand, a monumental amount of work that you need to do behind the scenes to really get going. So we started our journey with AI governance, training. We did a lot of data transformation. We are advanced in sort of fully digital onboarding for very complex commercial clients. Now, as we sort of look forward, we're focused on full, complete loan deposit, automated onboarding. We're looking to build an AI layer on top of our CRM. You touched on credit. We're automating sort of CAM draft creation and underwriting support. We are working on sort of risk and compliance automation. And then in parallel to that, we're also in the process of building a workflow orchestration layer to conduct all of this across the bank.
Samvir Sidhu: Yeah. Sure. So we, in frankly, the banking industry has been slow to discuss AI because there's actually, as you can understand, a monumental amount of work that you need to do behind the scenes to really get going. So we started our journey with AI governance, training. We did a lot of data transformation. We are advanced in sort of fully digital onboarding for very complex commercial clients. Now, as we sort of look forward, we're focused on full, complete loan deposit, automated onboarding. We're looking to build an AI layer on top of our CRM. You touched on credit. We're automating sort of CAM draft creation and underwriting support. We are working on sort of risk and compliance automation. And then in parallel to that, we're also in the process of building a workflow orchestration layer to conduct all of this across the bank.
Speaker #11: Let me know .
Speaker #1: Yeah , sure . So you know , we in frankly , the banking industry has been slow to discuss AI because there's actually , you know , as you can understand , a monumental amount of work that you need to do behind the scenes to to really , you know , get going .
Speaker #1: So we started our journey with AI governance training . did a lot We of , you know , data transformation . we You know , are advanced in sort of fully digital onboarding for for very complex commercial , you clients .
Speaker #1: Now , as we sort of look forward , we're focused on full , you know , complete loan deposit , automated onboarding . We're , you know , looking to build an AI layer on top of our CRM .
Speaker #1: You touched on credit . You know , we're you know , we're automating sort of cam draft creation and underwriting support . We are you know , working on sort of risk and compliance automation .
Speaker #1: And then, in parallel to that, we're also in the process of building a workflow orchestration layer to conduct all of this across the bank.
Operator: So only then are you able to deploy AI agents across your operating platform. That's really where you transform the bank and the way that we work internally and our team members work, and then also the way that we do business and really transform the way our customers see it. So right now, today, how the work is sort of siloed, where we're doing sort of AI and agentic work, it's used for micro use cases, which is nice, but not really transformational. Tomorrow, it's going to be across the overall bank, and it's really going to differentiate us and agents who are working all the time versus working on two-hour projects to kind of help advance a specific use case, which is nice to have, but not really needed to transform the way that we do business. And that's really sort of where we are on our journey.
So only then are you able to deploy AI agents across your operating platform. That's really where you transform the bank and the way that we work internally and our team members work, and then also the way that we do business and really transform the way our customers see it. So right now, today, how the work is sort of siloed, where we're doing sort of AI and agentic work, it's used for micro use cases, which is nice, but not really transformational. Tomorrow, it's going to be across the overall bank, and it's really going to differentiate us and agents who are working all the time versus working on two-hour projects to kind of help advance a specific use case, which is nice to have, but not really needed to transform the way that we do business. And that's really sort of where we are on our journey.
Speaker #1: So only then are you able to deploy AI agents across your operating platform. That's really where you transform the bank, and the way that we work internally.
Speaker #1: Our team members work and then also the way that we do business and really transform the way our customers see it . So right now , today , you know how the work is sort of siloed , where we're doing sort of AI and and agentic work .
Speaker #1: It's used for micro use cases, which is nice, but it's not really transformational. Now, you know, tomorrow it's going to be across the overall bank and it's really going to differentiate us in agents.
Speaker #1: We were working all the time versus , you know , working on two hour projects to kind of help advance , you know , a specific , you know , use case , which is nice to have , but not really needed to transform the way that we do business .
Operator: So hopefully, that gives you a little bit of color. And if we get to sort of our initial phase 2 end state, it's really going to transform the way that we do business. And my guess is also potentially, just given the size of our organization relative to much larger complex organizations, while they may have much bigger budgets, they don't have the operational flexibility and visibility that we have.
So hopefully, that gives you a little bit of color. And if we get to sort of our initial phase 2 end state, it's really going to transform the way that we do business. And my guess is also potentially, just given the size of our organization relative to much larger complex organizations, while they may have much bigger budgets, they don't have the operational flexibility and visibility that we have.
Speaker #1: And , and that's really sort of where we are in our journey . So hopefully that gives you a little bit of color and , and if we , you know , you know , get to the , you know , to sort of our , you know , initial sort of phase two end state , it's really going to transform the way that we do business .
Speaker #1: And my guess is also , you know , you know , potentially just given the size of our organization relative to much larger complex while they may have organizations , much bigger budgets , they don't have the operational flexibility and visibility .
Mark McCollom: Very much.
Hal Geotsch: Very much.
Speaker #1: You know, that we have.
Philip Watkins: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Sam Sidhu, CEO, for closing remarks.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Sam Sidhu, CEO, for closing remarks.
Speaker #11: much Very .
Speaker #2: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Samvir Sidhu, CEO, for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you to everyone for your continued interest and support of Customers Bancorp. We appreciate you being a part of the incredible franchise we're building, and we're excited about 2026. Thank you, and have a great day and great weekend.
Samvir Sidhu: Thank you to everyone for your continued interest and support of Customers Bancorp. We appreciate you being a part of the incredible franchise we're building, and we're excited about 2026. Thank you, and have a great day and great weekend.
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Speaker #1: Thank you, everyone, for your continued interest and support of Customers Bancorp, Inc. We appreciate you being a part of the incredible franchise we're building, and we're excited about 2026.
Philip Watkins: This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.
Philip Watkins: This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.
Speaker #1: Thank you, and have a great day and a great weekend.
