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Q4 2025 ConnectOne Bancorp Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. My name is Kelvin, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the ConnectOne Bancorp Inc. Q4 2025 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Siya Bansal, Chief Brand and Innovation Officer. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. My name is Kelvin, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the ConnectOne Bancorp Inc. Q4 2025 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Siya Bansal, Chief Brand and Innovation Officer. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and
Speaker #1: thank you for standing by. My name is Kelvin, and I will be your conference operator welcome. today. At this time, I would like to welcome Inc 4th Quarter 2025 everyone to the ConnectOne Bancorp earnings call.
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Speaker #1: If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Siya Bansia, Chief Brand and Innovation Officer.
Speaker #1: Please go
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Speaker #2: Good morning and welcome to
Siya Vansia: Good morning, and welcome to today's conference call to review ConnectOne's results for the fourth quarter of 2025, and to update you on recent developments. On today's conference call will be Frank Sorrentino, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Bill Burns, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'd also like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today's conference call that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations, are detailed in our SEC filings. The forward-looking statements included in this conference call are only made as of the date of this call, and the company is not obligated to publicly update or revise them.
Siya Vansia: Good morning, and welcome to today's conference call to review ConnectOne's results for the fourth quarter of 2025, and to update you on recent developments. On today's conference call will be Frank Sorrentino, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Bill Burns, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'd also like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today's conference call that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations, are detailed in our SEC filings. The forward-looking statements included in this conference call are only made as of the date of this call, and the company is not obligated to publicly update or revise them.
Speaker #2: today's conference call to review ConnectOne's results for the 4th Quarter of 2025 and to update you on recent developments. On today's conference call will be Frank Sorrentino, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Bill Burns, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: I'd also like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today's conference call that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in our SEC filings.
Speaker #2: The forward-looking statements included in this conference call are only made as of the date of this call, and the company is not obligated to publicly update or revise them.
Speaker #2: In addition, certain terms used in this call are non-GAAP financial measures reconciliations of which are provided in the company's earnings release and accompanying tables or schedules.
Siya Vansia: In addition, certain terms used in this call are Non-GAAP financial measures, reconciliations of which are provided in the company's earnings release and accompanying tables or schedules, which have been filed on Form 8-K with the SEC and may also be accessed through the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Frank Sorrentino. Frank, please go ahead.
In addition, certain terms used in this call are Non-GAAP financial measures, reconciliations of which are provided in the company's earnings release and accompanying tables or schedules, which have been filed on Form 8-K with the SEC and may also be accessed through the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Frank Sorrentino. Frank, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Which have been filed on Form 8K with the SEC and may also be accessed through the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Frank Sorrentino.
Speaker #2: Frank, please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thank
Frank Sorrentino: Thank you, Sia, and good morning, everyone. 2025 was a defining period for ConnectOne, one that demonstrated the strength of our business model, the value of our client-first culture, and our team's ability to execute on all fronts. Looking back, we delivered on a set of highly aspirational goals for the year, culminating in strong returns backed by solid profitability, efficiency, and asset quality matrix. We seamlessly integrated the largest transaction in our history. We completed a full systems conversion within two weeks of that closing and bolstered our franchise value and competitive position in the New York Metro market. This meaningfully propelled the company beyond the $10 billion asset threshold, a transition ConnectOne was well prepared for, and we ended the year with $14 billion in assets and a market cap in excess of $1.4 billion.
Frank Sorrentino: Thank you, Sia, and good morning, everyone. 2025 was a defining period for ConnectOne, one that demonstrated the strength of our business model, the value of our client-first culture, and our team's ability to execute on all fronts. Looking back, we delivered on a set of highly aspirational goals for the year, culminating in strong returns backed by solid profitability, efficiency, and asset quality matrix. We seamlessly integrated the largest transaction in our history. We completed a full systems conversion within two weeks of that closing and bolstered our franchise value and competitive position in the New York Metro market. This meaningfully propelled the company beyond the $10 billion asset threshold, a transition ConnectOne was well prepared for, and we ended the year with $14 billion in assets and a market cap in excess of $1.4 billion.
Speaker #3: everyone. 2025 was a defining you, Siya, and good morning, period for ConnectOne, one that demonstrated the strength of our business model, the value of our client-first culture, and our team's ability to execute on all fronts.
Speaker #3: Looking back, we delivered on a set of highly aspirational goals for the year, culminating in strong returns, backed by solid profitability, efficiency, and asset quality matrix.
Speaker #3: seamlessly integrated the largest We transaction in our history, we completed a full systems conversion within two weeks of that closing, and bolstered our franchise value and competitive position in the New York metro market.
Speaker #3: meaningfully propelled the company This beyond the $10 billion asset threshold, a transition ConnectOne was well prepared for, and we ended the year with $14 billion in assets and a market cap in excess of $1.4 billion.
Frank Sorrentino: These results directly reflect the strength and the dedication of our exceptional team, whose talent and client-focused obsession continue to distinguish ConnectOne across our markets. The natural alignment of our expanded team drove meaningful progress in strengthening client engagement, exemplified by remarkable retention through the merger, all while simultaneously deepening existing client relationships. As Bill will discuss in greater detail, we closed 2025 with meaningful momentum, delivering strong Q4 performance, highlighted by robust core earnings, expanding margin, and accelerated returns. Turning to some of the recent highlights and our near-term outlook, deposit gathering remains a core competitive advantage. During the second half of 2025, client deposits increased by approximately 5% on an annualized basis, reflecting strong relationship inflows and a sizable reduction in broker deposits.
These results directly reflect the strength and the dedication of our exceptional team, whose talent and client-focused obsession continue to distinguish ConnectOne across our markets. The natural alignment of our expanded team drove meaningful progress in strengthening client engagement, exemplified by remarkable retention through the merger, all while simultaneously deepening existing client relationships. As Bill will discuss in greater detail, we closed 2025 with meaningful momentum, delivering strong Q4 performance, highlighted by robust core earnings, expanding margin, and accelerated returns. Turning to some of the recent highlights and our near-term outlook, deposit gathering remains a core competitive advantage. During the second half of 2025, client deposits increased by approximately 5% on an annualized basis, reflecting strong relationship inflows and a sizable reduction in broker deposits.
Speaker #3: reflect the strength and the dedication These results directly of our exceptional team, whose talent and client-focused obsession continue to distinguish ConnectOne across our markets.
Speaker #3: The natural alignment of our expanded team drove meaningful progress in strengthening client engagement, exemplified by remarkable retention through the merger, all while simultaneously deepening existing client relationships.
Speaker #3: As Bill will discuss in greater detail, we closed 2025 with meaningful momentum, delivering strong fourth quarter performance, highlighted by robust core earnings, expanding margin, and accelerated returns.
Speaker #3: Turning to some of the recent highlights and our near-term outlook, deposit gathering remains a core competitive advantage. During the second half of 2025, client deposits increased by approximately 5% on an annualized basis, reflecting strong relationship inflows and a sizable reduction in broker deposits.
Speaker #3: Meanwhile, our loan portfolio also grew by an annualized 5% on the strength of strong originations, offset by elevated payoffs, in part due to higher refinancing rates for borrowers.
Frank Sorrentino: Meanwhile, our loan portfolio also grew by an annualized 5% on the strength of strong originations, offset by elevated payoffs, in part due to higher refinancing rates for borrowers. We anticipate these portfolio dynamics continuing into 2026. The bank's net interest margin widened significantly over the past quarter and year, and with our liability-sensitive positioning, we expect that positive trajectory will continue throughout 2026. Performance metrics improved significantly this quarter, and we remain committed to building strong capital, driving efficiency, and generating profitable growth, with the goal of delivering even higher returns on assets and equity. As capital generation accelerates, we'll have flexibility to support our growth, increase our common dividend, and stand ready for opportunistic stock repurchases. As we move through the year, we will remain focused on further efficiencies, particularly across Long Island, where our team continues to generate opportunities for expansion.
Meanwhile, our loan portfolio also grew by an annualized 5% on the strength of strong originations, offset by elevated payoffs, in part due to higher refinancing rates for borrowers. We anticipate these portfolio dynamics continuing into 2026. The bank's net interest margin widened significantly over the past quarter and year, and with our liability-sensitive positioning, we expect that positive trajectory will continue throughout 2026. Performance metrics improved significantly this quarter, and we remain committed to building strong capital, driving efficiency, and generating profitable growth, with the goal of delivering even higher returns on assets and equity. As capital generation accelerates, we'll have flexibility to support our growth, increase our common dividend, and stand ready for opportunistic stock repurchases. As we move through the year, we will remain focused on further efficiencies, particularly across Long Island, where our team continues to generate opportunities for expansion.
Speaker #3: We anticipate these portfolio dynamics continuing into 2026. The bank's net interest margin widened significantly over the past quarter and year, and with our liability-sensitive positioning, we expect that positive trajectory will continue throughout 2026.
Speaker #3: improved significantly this quarter, and Performance metrics we remain committed to building strong capital driving efficiency and generating profitable growth with the goal of delivering even higher returns on assets and equity.
Speaker #3: As capital generation accelerates, we'll have flexibility to support our growth, increase our common dividend, and stand ready for opportunistic stock repurchases. As we move through the year, we will remain focused on further efficiencies, particularly across Long Island, where our team continues to generate opportunities for expansion.
Speaker #3: In addition, consistent with our branch-light light relationship-driven approach, we've identified five branch locations to consolidate, continuing our branch rationalization efforts. Furthermore, we have a deeply talented and expanded team in place, so we anticipate modest staffing growth going forward that will also drive improved revenue and operating synergies.
Frank Sorrentino: In addition, consistent with our branch-light, relationship-driven approach, we've identified five branch locations to consolidate, continuing our branch rationalization efforts. Furthermore, we have a deeply talented and expanded team in place, so we anticipate modest staffing growth going forward that will also drive improved revenue and operating synergies. In closing, as we enter 2026, ConnectOne is uniquely positioned to capitalize on client-driven opportunities in some of the best markets in the country. Even with these strengths, we also recognize that competitive pressures, political developments, and broader market sentiment will continue to shape and challenge our environment. Rest assured, we're prepared to meet these hurdles head-on, while remaining focused on executing our long-term vision and delivering sustainable value to all our stakeholders. So with that overview, I'll turn it over to Bill to walk through some of our performance in a little more detail. Bill?
In addition, consistent with our branch-light, relationship-driven approach, we've identified five branch locations to consolidate, continuing our branch rationalization efforts. Furthermore, we have a deeply talented and expanded team in place, so we anticipate modest staffing growth going forward that will also drive improved revenue and operating synergies. In closing, as we enter 2026, ConnectOne is uniquely positioned to capitalize on client-driven opportunities in some of the best markets in the country. Even with these strengths, we also recognize that competitive pressures, political developments, and broader market sentiment will continue to shape and challenge our environment. Rest assured, we're prepared to meet these hurdles head-on, while remaining focused on executing our long-term vision and delivering sustainable value to all our stakeholders. So with that overview, I'll turn it over to Bill to walk through some of our performance in a little more detail. Bill?
Speaker #3: In closing, as we enter 2026, ConnectOne is uniquely positioned to capitalize on client-driven opportunities in some of the best markets in the country. Even with these strengths, we also recognize that competitive pressures, political developments, and broader market sentiment will continue to shape and challenge our environment.
Speaker #3: Rest assured, we're prepared to meet these hurdles head-on while remaining focused on executing our long-term vision and delivering sustainable value to all our stakeholders.
Speaker #3: So with that overview, I'll turn it over to Bill to walk through some of our performance in a little more detail.
Speaker #3: Bill?
Speaker #4: All right. Thank you, Frank.
Bill Burns: All right. Thank you, Frank, and great to be speaking with you this morning as we delivered another excellent quarter. It was highlighted by improving net interest margin and performance ratios, robust loan originations, and core client deposit growth, combined with a reduction in wholesale deposits, clean asset quality, and healthy capital and tangible book value accretion. Just going back to deposits for a moment. Since the acquisition, we have significantly improved the quality of our deposit base, reflecting a substantial increase in the percentage of non-interest-bearing demand, which went from 17% to more than 21% today, as well as a reduction in brokers, which declined from a high of 12% of total assets to just 6% today. Now, for the quarter, our operating PPNR percentage grew sequentially by nearly 10%.
Bill Burns: All right. Thank you, Frank, and great to be speaking with you this morning as we delivered another excellent quarter. It was highlighted by improving net interest margin and performance ratios, robust loan originations, and core client deposit growth, combined with a reduction in wholesale deposits, clean asset quality, and healthy capital and tangible book value accretion. Just going back to deposits for a moment. Since the acquisition, we have significantly improved the quality of our deposit base, reflecting a substantial increase in the percentage of non-interest-bearing demand, which went from 17% to more than 21% today, as well as a reduction in brokers, which declined from a high of 12% of total assets to just 6% today. Now, for the quarter, our operating PPNR percentage grew sequentially by nearly 10%.
Speaker #4: And great to be speaking with you this morning as we delivered another excellent quarter. It was highlighted by improving net interest margin and performance ratios, robust loan originations, and core client deposit growth combined with a reduction in wholesale deposits.
Speaker #4: Clean asset quality, and healthy capital and tangible book value accretion. Just going back to deposits for a moment, since the acquisition, we have significantly improved the quality of our deposit base, reflecting a substantial increase in the percentage of non-interest-bearing demand, which went from 17% to more than 21% today.
Speaker #4: As well as a reduction in brokerage, which declined from a high of 12% of total assets to just 6% today. Now, for the quarter, our operating PPNR percentage grew sequentially by nearly 10%.
Speaker #4: That was the fifth consecutive increase, while earnings were further augmented by a lower provision for credit losses and a reduced effective tax rate. Putting it all together, operating earnings for the current quarter represented an 18.6% increase sequentially over the third quarter.
Bill Burns: That was the fifth consecutive increase, while earnings were further augmented by a lower provision for credit losses and a reduced effective tax rate. Putting it all together, operating earnings for the current quarter represented an 18.6% increase sequentially over Q3. This drove our quarterly operating return on assets all the way up to 1.24% and a return on tangible common equity to 14.3%. Now, while we expect these performance metrics to moderate in Q1, we anticipate a quick return to an upward trend. Future earnings and performance returns will be driven higher by ongoing margin expansion, improved operating efficiencies, modest loan portfolio growth, and increased non-interest income. Now, the margin expansion this quarter stemmed from three key factors. First, we had a decline in our cost of deposits following the Fed rate cuts.
That was the fifth consecutive increase, while earnings were further augmented by a lower provision for credit losses and a reduced effective tax rate. Putting it all together, operating earnings for the current quarter represented an 18.6% increase sequentially over Q3. This drove our quarterly operating return on assets all the way up to 1.24% and a return on tangible common equity to 14.3%. Now, while we expect these performance metrics to moderate in Q1, we anticipate a quick return to an upward trend. Future earnings and performance returns will be driven higher by ongoing margin expansion, improved operating efficiencies, modest loan portfolio growth, and increased non-interest income. Now, the margin expansion this quarter stemmed from three key factors. First, we had a decline in our cost of deposits following the Fed rate cuts.
Speaker #4: our quarterly operating return on This drove assets all the way up to 1.24% and a return on tangible common equity to 14.3%. Now, while we expect these performance metrics to moderate in the first quarter, we anticipate a quick return to an upward trend.
Speaker #4: Future earnings and performance returns will be driven higher by ongoing margin expansion, improved operating efficiencies, modest loan portfolio growth, and increased non-interest income. Now, the margin expansion this quarter stemmed from three key factors.
Speaker #4: First, we had a decline in our cost of deposits following the Fed rate cuts. Second, the redemption of high coupon subordinated debt late in last year's third quarter was an action that was delayed by the merger.
Bill Burns: Second, the redemption of high coupon subordinated debt late in last year's Q3 was an action that was delayed by the merger. And lastly, our liability-sensitive position, where rate cuts favorably impact our deposit costs without a reduction in loan yields. 2026 guidance for the net interest margin is as follows: I'm going to get specific here, but keep in mind there are many uncontrollable factors that can impact the margin. First, we're likely to be up by five basis points in Q1, putting us in the low three thirties. Then we should see five basis points of improvement for every 25 basis points of Fed rate cut. Not sure whether it's going to only be one or two coming in 2026. In addition, we should see five basis points improvement per quarter due to higher loan yields.
Second, the redemption of high coupon subordinated debt late in last year's Q3 was an action that was delayed by the merger. And lastly, our liability-sensitive position, where rate cuts favorably impact our deposit costs without a reduction in loan yields. 2026 guidance for the net interest margin is as follows: I'm going to get specific here, but keep in mind there are many uncontrollable factors that can impact the margin. First, we're likely to be up by five basis points in Q1, putting us in the low three thirties. Then we should see five basis points of improvement for every 25 basis points of Fed rate cut. Not sure whether it's going to only be one or two coming in 2026. In addition, we should see five basis points improvement per quarter due to higher loan yields.
Speaker #4: And lastly, our liability-sensitive position, where rate cuts favorably impact our deposit costs, without a reduction in loan yields. 2026 guidance for the net interest margin is but keep in mind there are many uncontrollable as follows: I'm going to get specific here, factors that can impact the margin.
Speaker #4: First, we're likely to be up by five basis points in the first quarter, putting us in the low 330s. Then, we should see five basis points of improvement for every 25 basis points of Fed rate cut, not sure whether this is going to only be one or two coming in '26.
Speaker #4: In addition, we should see five basis points of improvement per quarter due to higher loan yields. That's not going to kick in really until the mid-year, until mid-year.
Bill Burns: That's not going to kick in really until midyear. Now, partially offsetting those, we could see five basis points of contraction due to a potential preferred redemption, which would lower margin in the Q4, but it would actually improve EPS. Now, let me turn to operating expenses. We continue to drive efficiencies related to the merger, and following a detailed review of our footprint, we have decided to close five branches. And due to proactive client engagement, which we always do, we do not anticipate measurable deposit runoff. And while future branch closures are always possible, no decisions have been made for 2026. And we also anticipate realizing further synergies by optimizing our staff count over the coming year, even as we strategically hire new talent in revenue-producing and back-office operations.
That's not going to kick in really until midyear. Now, partially offsetting those, we could see five basis points of contraction due to a potential preferred redemption, which would lower margin in the Q4, but it would actually improve EPS. Now, let me turn to operating expenses. We continue to drive efficiencies related to the merger, and following a detailed review of our footprint, we have decided to close five branches. And due to proactive client engagement, which we always do, we do not anticipate measurable deposit runoff. And while future branch closures are always possible, no decisions have been made for 2026. And we also anticipate realizing further synergies by optimizing our staff count over the coming year, even as we strategically hire new talent in revenue-producing and back-office operations.
Speaker #4: Now, partially offsetting those, we could see five basis points of contraction due to a potential preferred redemption, which would lower margin in the fourth quarter, but it would actually improve EPS.
Speaker #4: Now, let me turn to operating expenses. We continue to drive efficiencies related to the merger, and following a detailed review of our footprint, we have decided to close five branches.
Speaker #4: And due to proactive client engagement, which we always do, we do not anticipate measurable deposit runoff. Now, while future branch closures are always possible, no decisions have been made for 2026.
Speaker #4: And we also anticipate realizing further synergies by optimizing our staff count over the coming year. Even as we strategically hire new talent, the revenue-producing and back-office operations.
Speaker #4: Now, for OPEX-specific guidance, including the additional efficiencies identified, the objective I have right now calls for a 4% increase in quarter four '26 from the current quarter.
Bill Burns: Now, for OpEx specific guidance, including the additional efficiencies identified, the objective I have right now calls for a 4% increase in Q4 2026 from the current quarter, and that increase would occur over the course of 2026. Loan originations have been robust all year, and we anticipate this continuing in 2026. Our philosophy focuses on maintaining appropriate risk-adjusted loan spreads and value-enhancing client relationships. Through this, combined with a significant portion of our portfolio maturing or repricing in 2026 and 2027, leads us to expect higher than typical payoffs. Consequently, we now anticipate a more modest loan portfolio increase in the 3% to 5% range.
Now, for OpEx specific guidance, including the additional efficiencies identified, the objective I have right now calls for a 4% increase in Q4 2026 from the current quarter, and that increase would occur over the course of 2026. Loan originations have been robust all year, and we anticipate this continuing in 2026. Our philosophy focuses on maintaining appropriate risk-adjusted loan spreads and value-enhancing client relationships. Through this, combined with a significant portion of our portfolio maturing or repricing in 2026 and 2027, leads us to expect higher than typical payoffs. Consequently, we now anticipate a more modest loan portfolio increase in the 3% to 5% range.
Speaker #4: And that increase would occur over the course of 2026. Loan originations have been robust all year, and we anticipate this continuing in 2026. Our philosophy focuses on maintaining appropriate risk-adjusted loan spreads and value-enhancing client relationships.
Speaker #4: Though this combined with a significant portion of our portfolio maturing or repricing in 2026 and '27, leads us to expect higher than typical payoffs.
Speaker #4: Consequently, we now anticipate a more modest loan portfolio increase in the three to five percent range. In regard to growth in non-interest income, I am aware that we have fallen a bit short of my prior guidance, but with the pipeline of SBA loan sales building, now we're pretty confident of more than 4 million in loan sale gains in 2026.
Bill Burns: In regard to growth in non-interest income, I am aware that we have fallen a bit short of my prior guidance, but with the pipeline of SBA loan sales building, now we're pretty confident of more than $4 million in loan sale gains in 2026, and I'll provide updates throughout the year on that. Now, turning to the allowance for loan losses, we recorded a relatively low provision this quarter. The reasons for this were multifaceted. First, the CECL model's economic projections improved slightly. Second, we recalibrated loss drivers to align with a new and larger peer group. And finally, we've worked out several PCD loans at values exceeding merger markdowns, and that resulted in favorable reserve releases.
In regard to growth in non-interest income, I am aware that we have fallen a bit short of my prior guidance, but with the pipeline of SBA loan sales building, now we're pretty confident of more than $4 million in loan sale gains in 2026, and I'll provide updates throughout the year on that. Now, turning to the allowance for loan losses, we recorded a relatively low provision this quarter. The reasons for this were multifaceted. First, the CECL model's economic projections improved slightly. Second, we recalibrated loss drivers to align with a new and larger peer group. And finally, we've worked out several PCD loans at values exceeding merger markdowns, and that resulted in favorable reserve releases.
Speaker #4: And I'll provide updates throughout the year on that. Now, turning to the allowance for loan losses, we recorded a relatively low provision this quarter.
Speaker #4: The reasons for this were multifaceted. First, the CSIL model's economic projections improved slightly. Second, we recalibrated loss drivers to align with a new and larger peer group.
Speaker #4: And finally, we've worked out several PCD loans at values exceeding merger markdowns, and that resulted in favorable reserve releases. There was a slight increase in the non-performing asset ratio to 0.33 from 0.28 a quarter ago.
Bill Burns: There was a slight increase in the non-performing asset ratio to 0.33 from 0.28 a quarter ago, due to one multifamily loan relationship. Having said that, and not included in the year-end ratio, is a multifamily workout that occurred in January, which brought total nonaccruals back down to the lower level. Now going forward, I don't see any significant change in the level of impaired loans, but as always the case, these levels can vary from quarter to quarter. One thing I can tell you is we always try to get ahead of any issues with conservative valuation adjustments. In terms of the effective tax rate, which I mentioned before, it was adjusted downward for the quarter to 26%.
There was a slight increase in the non-performing asset ratio to 0.33 from 0.28 a quarter ago, due to one multifamily loan relationship. Having said that, and not included in the year-end ratio, is a multifamily workout that occurred in January, which brought total nonaccruals back down to the lower level. Now going forward, I don't see any significant change in the level of impaired loans, but as always the case, these levels can vary from quarter to quarter. One thing I can tell you is we always try to get ahead of any issues with conservative valuation adjustments. In terms of the effective tax rate, which I mentioned before, it was adjusted downward for the quarter to 26%.
Speaker #4: Due to one multifamily loan relationship, having said that, and not included in the year-end ratio is a multifamily worker that occurred in January, which brought total non-accruals back down to the lower level.
Speaker #4: Now, going forward, I don't see any significant change in the level of impaired loans, but as is always the case, these levels can vary from quarter to quarter.
Speaker #4: One thing I can tell you is we always try to get ahead of any issues with conservative valuation adjustments. In terms of the effective tax rate, which I mentioned before, it was adjusted downward for the quarter to 26%.
Speaker #4: That was due to the true-up of our deferred tax assets, largely having to do with the merger, but we expect to go forward rate of 28%.
Bill Burns: That was due to the true up of our deferred tax assets, largely having to do with the merger, but we expect a go-forward rate of 28%. Capital continues to strengthen. Our tangible common equity ratio has steadily increased to 8.62 as of year-end. This strong capital position gives us the opportunity to increase our dividends, reengage in share repurchases, and we're building firepower for opportunistic M&A. I also want to mention that we've always placed a great deal of importance and focus on tangible book value per share. At 23.52, which is where we are at year-end, we anticipate returning to pre-merger levels within 1 year of the June merger completion. Now, before turning over, back over to Frank, I, too, believe we are well positioned to deliver best-in-class results while continuing to capitalize on prudent growth opportunities.
That was due to the true up of our deferred tax assets, largely having to do with the merger, but we expect a go-forward rate of 28%. Capital continues to strengthen. Our tangible common equity ratio has steadily increased to 8.62 as of year-end. This strong capital position gives us the opportunity to increase our dividends, reengage in share repurchases, and we're building firepower for opportunistic M&A. I also want to mention that we've always placed a great deal of importance and focus on tangible book value per share. At 23.52, which is where we are at year-end, we anticipate returning to pre-merger levels within 1 year of the June merger completion. Now, before turning over, back over to Frank, I, too, believe we are well positioned to deliver best-in-class results while continuing to capitalize on prudent growth opportunities.
Speaker #4: Capital continues to strengthen. Our tangible common equity ratio is steadily increased to 8.62 as of year-end. This strong capital position gives us the opportunity to increase our dividends, re-engage in share repurchases, and we're building firepower for opportunistic M&A.
Speaker #4: I also want to mention that we've always placed a great deal of importance and focus on tangible book value per share, and at 23.52, which is where we are at year-end, we anticipate returning to pre-merger levels within one year of the June merger completion.
Speaker #4: Now, before turning over back over to Frank, I too believe we are well positioned to deliver best-in-class results while continuing to capitalize on prudent growth opportunities.
Speaker #4: And that, to me, makes our stock one of the most compelling investment opportunities out there. And back to you,
Bill Burns: That, to me, makes our stock one of the most compelling investment opportunities out there. Back to you, Frank.
That, to me, makes our stock one of the most compelling investment opportunities out there. Back to you, Frank.
Speaker #4: Frank. Thank you, Bill.
Frank Sorrentino: Thank you, Bill. With a strong balance sheet, a top-tier team, an expanded footprint, a 21-year track record of strategic execution, and growing market dynamics, we've never been more competitively positioned. Operationally, we're maintaining rigorous discipline around product pricing and remain diligently focused on managing our balance sheet in a mature and strategic way. That means prioritizing balance sheet optimization while leveraging our size and scale to support sustainable, moderate growth. At the same time, we're consistently recognized as one of the most efficient banks in the industry, and that focus remains unwavering. We'll also continue to innovate while maintaining disciplined execution around true relationship-based banking. Collectively, we believe these efforts are driving better financial results, generating meaningful shareholder value, and as Bill highlighted, making us one of the most compelling investment opportunities. As always, we appreciate your interest in ConnectOne Bancorp, and thanks again for joining us today.
Frank Sorrentino: Thank you, Bill. With a strong balance sheet, a top-tier team, an expanded footprint, a 21-year track record of strategic execution, and growing market dynamics, we've never been more competitively positioned. Operationally, we're maintaining rigorous discipline around product pricing and remain diligently focused on managing our balance sheet in a mature and strategic way. That means prioritizing balance sheet optimization while leveraging our size and scale to support sustainable, moderate growth. At the same time, we're consistently recognized as one of the most efficient banks in the industry, and that focus remains unwavering. We'll also continue to innovate while maintaining disciplined execution around true relationship-based banking. Collectively, we believe these efforts are driving better financial results, generating meaningful shareholder value, and as Bill highlighted, making us one of the most compelling investment opportunities. As always, we appreciate your interest in ConnectOne Bancorp, and thanks again for joining us today.
Speaker #2: With a strong balance sheet, a top-tier team, an expanded footprint, a 21-year track record of strategic execution, and growing market dynamics, we've never been more competitively positioned.
Speaker #2: Operationally, we're maintaining rigorous discipline around product pricing and remain diligently focused on managing our balance sheet in a mature and strategic way. That means prioritizing balance sheet optimization while leveraging our size and scale to support sustainable, moderate growth.
Speaker #2: At the same time, we're consistently recognized as one of the most efficient banks in the industry, and that focus remains unwavering. We'll also continue to innovate, while maintaining disciplined execution around true relationship-based banking.
Speaker #2: Collectively, we believe these efforts are driving better financial results generating meaningful shareholder value and as Bill highlighted, making us one of the most compelling investment opportunities.
Speaker #2: As always, we appreciate your interest in ConnectOne Bancorp, and thanks again for joining us today. And with that, I'd like to turn it over for your questions.
Frank Sorrentino: With that, I'd like to turn it over for your questions. Operator?
Frank Sorrentino: With that, I'd like to turn it over for your questions. Operator?
Speaker #2: Operator?
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press the star button followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star one again. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Feddie Strickland of Hovde Group. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #4: Hey, good morning. I just wanted to touch on something you mentioned in your opening comments. Bill, you talked about maybe the preferred being redeemed later this year.
Feddie Strickland: Hey, good morning.
Feddie Strickland: Hey, good morning.
Frank Sorrentino: Hi, Teddy.
Frank Sorrentino: Hi, Teddy.
Feddie Strickland: You know, just wanted to touch on something you mentioned in your opening comments. Bill, you talked about maybe the preferred being redeemed later this year. Can you speak a little more broadly about kind of how you view the capital stack today and kind of where you'd like it to optimally be?
Feddie Strickland: You know, just wanted to touch on something you mentioned in your opening comments. Bill, you talked about maybe the preferred being redeemed later this year. Can you speak a little more broadly about kind of how you view the capital stack today and kind of where you'd like it to optimally be?
Speaker #4: Can you speak a little more broadly about kind of how you view the capital stack today and kind of where you'd like it to optimally be?
Speaker #3: Well, we really do focus on tangible common equity at the end of the day. We've been trying to get that ratio back to 9%.
Bill Burns: Well, you know, we really do focus on tangible common equity at the end of the day. We've been trying to get that ratio back to 9%. We're getting very close, and at that level, it really opens us up to, as I said before, potential for dividend increases, stock buybacks, and at a better position for M&A.
Bill Burns: Well, you know, we really do focus on tangible common equity at the end of the day. We've been trying to get that ratio back to 9%. We're getting very close, and at that level, it really opens us up to, as I said before, potential for dividend increases, stock buybacks, and at a better position for M&A.
Speaker #3: We're getting very close, and at that level, it really opens us up to, as I said before, potential for dividend increases, stock buybacks, and being in a better position for
Speaker #3: M&A. And
Feddie Strickland: And on M&A, I mean, do you view that likelihood as a little greater in 2026 than maybe in the past? How have conversations gone there, and just how do you view that versus other forms of capital return?
Feddie Strickland: And on M&A, I mean, do you view that likelihood as a little greater in 2026 than maybe in the past? How have conversations gone there, and just how do you view that versus other forms of capital return?
Speaker #4: On M&A, I mean, do you view that likelihood as a little greater in 2026 than—conversation's gone there—and just how do you view maybe in the past?
Speaker #4: How that versus other forms of capital return?
Speaker #3: Well, it really depends. As you know, M&A is heating up a little bit out there. There's lots of transactions to look at. We've always been financially disciplined, and we, of course, take a look at the value, the IRR of a transaction versus the IRR of buying back our stock.
Bill Burns: Well, you know, it really depends. As you know, M&A is heating up a little bit out there. There's lots of transactions to look at. We've always been financially disciplined, and we, of course, take a look at the value, you know, the IRR of a transaction versus the IRR of buying back our stock. So, you know, all the pieces have to fall in line in order for us to do a transaction. I think we've got a pretty good track record there. Frank, if you wanted to add anything to that comment?
Bill Burns: Well, you know, it really depends. As you know, M&A is heating up a little bit out there. There's lots of transactions to look at. We've always been financially disciplined, and we, of course, take a look at the value, you know, the IRR of a transaction versus the IRR of buying back our stock. So, you know, all the pieces have to fall in line in order for us to do a transaction. I think we've got a pretty good track record there. Frank, if you wanted to add anything to that comment?
Speaker #3: So all the pieces have to fall in line in order for us to do a transaction. I think we've got a pretty good track record there.
Speaker #3: Frank, if you wanted to add anything to that
Speaker #3: comment? Yeah.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious there's a lot more activity going on in the marketplace for a variety of reasons, but I don't think that really changes very much the way we look at M&A. That may potentially move, you know, a few, a few sellers into our sites, but overall, you know, we're focused pretty much in market. And again, looking to be very disciplined around what makes sense for us to do.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious there's a lot more activity going on in the marketplace for a variety of reasons, but I don't think that really changes very much the way we look at M&A. That may potentially move, you know, a few, a few sellers into our sites, but overall, you know, we're focused pretty much in market. And again, looking to be very disciplined around what makes sense for us to do.
Speaker #2: I mean, I think it's pretty obvious there's a lot more activity going on in the marketplace for a variety of reasons, but I don't think that really changes very much the way we look at M&A.
Speaker #2: That may potentially move a few sellers into our sites, but overall, we're focused pretty much in market, and again, looking to be very disciplined around what makes sense for us to
Speaker #2: do. And just one
Daniel Tamayo: And just one quick follow-up, on-
Daniel Tamayo: And just one quick follow-up, on-
Speaker #4: quick follow-up on the cash balances piece. Do we see that getting deployed again into loans this quarter, maybe earning assets or a little slower in
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah
Daniel Tamayo: the cash balances piece. Do we see that getting-
Daniel Tamayo: the cash balances piece. Do we see that getting-
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah
Daniel Tamayo: deployed again in the loans this quarter, maybe earning assets or a little slower in growth?
Daniel Tamayo: deployed again in the loans this quarter, maybe earning assets or a little slower in growth?
Speaker #4: growth? Yes,
Bill Burns: Yes, exactly. So we'll continue to see more cash, transition into loan balances, so higher growth in loans than in assets.
Bill Burns: Yes, exactly. So we'll continue to see more cash, transition into loan balances, so higher growth in loans than in assets.
Speaker #3: exactly. So we'll continue to see more cash transition into loan balances. So higher growth in loans than in assets.
Speaker #4: All right, great. Thanks. Thanks for my questions.
Daniel Tamayo: All right, great. Thanks. Thanks for my questions.
Daniel Tamayo: All right, great. Thanks. Thanks for my questions.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tim Switzer of KBW. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tim Switzer of KBW. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Tim Switzer of KBW. Please go
Tim Switzer: Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions.
Tim Switzer: Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my
Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my
Speaker #2: Hey, Tim.
Frank Sorrentino: Hey, Tim.
Frank Sorrentino: Hey, Tim.
Bill Burns: Hi, Tim.
Bill Burns: Hi, Tim.
Speaker #3: Hi, questions.
Speaker #3: Tim. My first
Tim Switzer: My first one is kind of on the trajectory of the expense outlook. I appreciate the color on 4%-
Tim Switzer: My first one is kind of on the trajectory of the expense outlook. I appreciate the color on 4%-
Speaker #5: one is kind of on the trajectory of the expense outlook. I appreciate the color on 4% year over year by Q4. But what is the timing of this branch rationalization?
Bill Burns: Yeah
Bill Burns: Yeah
Tim Switzer: year-over-year by Q4.
Tim Switzer: year-over-year by Q4.
Bill Burns: Yeah.
Bill Burns: Yeah.
Tim Switzer: You know, what is the timing of this branch rationalization and the new hires, and you know, is that all mostly Q1, Q2, and then do expenses just kind of move sequentially higher each quarter, as we move through the year?
Tim Switzer: You know, what is the timing of this branch rationalization and the new hires, and you know, is that all mostly Q1, Q2, and then do expenses just kind of move sequentially higher each quarter, as we move through the year?
Speaker #5: And the new hires and is that all mostly Q1, Q2, and then do expenses just kind of move sequentially higher each quarter as we move through the year?
Speaker #3: Yeah, good question. If you're trying to do your model as precisely as possible, that branch closure isn't going to occur until the end of the first quarter.
Bill Burns: Yeah, good, good question if you're trying to do your model as precisely as possible. That branch closure isn't going to occur until the end of Q1, and the staff changes might not take place till, you know, after a quarter, middle of the year. So I would say that the expense increase will step up a little bit more in Q1 and then flatten out.
Bill Burns: Yeah, good, good question if you're trying to do your model as precisely as possible. That branch closure isn't going to occur until the end of Q1, and the staff changes might not take place till, you know, after a quarter, middle of the year. So I would say that the expense increase will step up a little bit more in Q1 and then flatten out.
Speaker #3: And the staff changes might not take place till after a quarter, middle of the year. So I would say that the expense increase will step up a little bit more in Q1 and then flatten out.
Speaker #5: Gotcha. Okay. That's great. And then the other question I had is on—sorry, go ahead.
Tim Switzer: Gotcha. Okay, that's great.
Tim Switzer: Gotcha. Okay, that's great.
Bill Burns: Okay.
Bill Burns: Okay.
Tim Switzer: And then the other question I had is on... Sorry, go ahead.
Tim Switzer: And then the other question I had is on... Sorry, go ahead.
Bill Burns: No, go ahead. I'm sorry.
Bill Burns: No, go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker #3: I'm sorry.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Other No, go ahead.
Tim Switzer: The other question I had was on deposit competition. We've been hearing about-
Tim Switzer: The other question I had was on deposit competition. We've been hearing about-
Speaker #5: question I had was on deposit competition. We've been hearing about rising deposit costs and a little bit more pressure. You guys obviously have had pretty good ability to move deposit rates lower, but are you finding that more difficult lately?
Bill Burns: Oh
Bill Burns: Oh
Tim Switzer: rising deposit costs and a little bit more pressure. You guys obviously have had pretty good ability to move deposit rates lower, but are you finding that more difficult lately?
Tim Switzer: rising deposit costs and a little bit more pressure. You guys obviously have had pretty good ability to move deposit rates lower, but are you finding that more difficult lately?
Speaker #3: I think we've seen a little bit of that, the competition has heated up. We monitor that very carefully. And to the extent we're losing—if we think we're losing deposits on rates, we'll make adjustments there.
Bill Burns: I think we've seen a little bit of that, that the competition has heated up. You know, we monitor that very carefully. And to the extent, you know, we're losing-- if we think we're losing deposits on rates, you know, we'll make adjustments there. So, you know, my margin projection for the year takes that into account. You know, in the best case, our margin can be much higher than it is today, but more likely than not, you know, we're probably in the 3.35 to 3.40 range by year-end.
Bill Burns: I think we've seen a little bit of that, that the competition has heated up. You know, we monitor that very carefully. And to the extent, you know, we're losing-- if we think we're losing deposits on rates, you know, we'll make adjustments there. So, you know, my margin projection for the year takes that into account. You know, in the best case, our margin can be much higher than it is today, but more likely than not, you know, we're probably in the 3.35 to 3.40 range by year-end.
Speaker #3: So my margin projection for the year takes that into account. In the best case, our margin can be much higher than it is today, but more likely than not, we're probably in the 3.35% to 3.40% range by year-end.
Speaker #5: Okay. Got it. That's really helpful. Thank you.
Tim Switzer: Okay, got it. That, that's really helpful. Thank you.
Tim Switzer: Okay, got it. That, that's really helpful. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hey,
Mark Fitzgibbon: Hey, guys. Good morning.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Hey, guys. Good morning.
Speaker #4: guys. Good morning. Hey, Mark. Good morning.
Bill Burns: Hey, Mark.
Bill Burns: Hey, Mark.
Frank Sorrentino: Good morning.
Frank Sorrentino: Good morning.
Bill Burns: Good to have you on this call. Yep.
Bill Burns: Good to have you on this call. Yep.
Speaker #3: Good to have you on this call. Yep.
Speaker #4: Thank you. I guess I was curious, could you share with us perhaps the size complexion and maybe average rate of your loan pipeline?
Mark Fitzgibbon: Thank you. I guess I was curious, could you share with us perhaps the size, complexion, and maybe average rate of your loan pipeline?
Mark Fitzgibbon: Thank you. I guess I was curious, could you share with us perhaps the size, complexion, and maybe average rate of your loan pipeline?
Bill Burns: Yeah. So which one? The size. We have this $600 million and... Yeah, about $600 million is in the pipeline, and that rate, that average weighted rate is 6.2.
Bill Burns: Yeah. So which one? The size. We have this $600 million and... Yeah, about $600 million is in the pipeline, and that rate, that average weighted rate is 6.2.
Speaker #3: Yeah. So which one was the size? We have the 600 million and about 600 million is in the pipeline. And that average weighted rate is 6.2.
Speaker #4: Okay. And is it mostly commercial real estate, construction, or what does the mix look like?
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. And is it mostly commercial real estate construction, or what, what does the mix look like?
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. And is it mostly commercial real estate construction, or what, what does the mix look like?
Bill Burns: It's a real mix, similar to what's on our composition today.
Speaker #3: It's a real mix, similar to what's on our composition today.
Bill Burns: It's a real mix, similar to what's on our composition today.
Speaker #4: Okay. And then I was curious, are you seeing much of a difference in terms of the loan and deposit growth activity between the New Jersey franchise and the Long Island franchise?
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. And then I was curious, are you seeing much of a difference in terms of, the loan and deposit growth activity, you know, between the New Jersey franchise and the Long Island franchise?
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. And then I was curious, are you seeing much of a difference in terms of, the loan and deposit growth activity, you know, between the New Jersey franchise and the Long Island franchise?
Speaker #3: I don't think so. Frank, did you have any
Bill Burns: I don't think so. Frank, did you have any thoughts on that?
Bill Burns: I don't think so. Frank, did you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker #3: thoughts on that? Yeah.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah. I mean, I would say there may be some, you know, some skewed interest to the Long Island market, only because a lot of the products and services that ConnectOne provides weren't being provided by the First Long Island folks. And so there may be some additional opportunities there within the existing client base. I think once we capitalize on all that, all of that opportunity that's out there, I think you'll see the, you know, the balance sheet grow relative to the composition we have today across all our markets.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah. I mean, I would say there may be some, you know, some skewed interest to the Long Island market, only because a lot of the products and services that ConnectOne provides weren't being provided by the First Long Island folks. And so there may be some additional opportunities there within the existing client base. I think once we capitalize on all that, all of that opportunity that's out there, I think you'll see the, you know, the balance sheet grow relative to the composition we have today across all our markets.
Speaker #2: I mean, I would say there may be some skewed interest to the Long Island market only because a lot of the products and services that connect one provides weren't being provided by the first Long Island folks.
Speaker #2: And so, there may be some additional opportunities there within the existing client base. I think once we capitalize on all of that opportunity that's out there, I think you'll see the balance sheet grow relative to the composition we have today across all our markets.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Great. And then lastly-
Mark Fitzgibbon: Great. And then lastly-
Speaker #4: Great. And then lastly, Mark.
Bill Burns: Mark, we had early gains in deposits at Long Island. So between the closing of the transaction, 1 June and 30 June, we had significant deposit increases at the Long Island part of the franchise.
Speaker #3: Mike, we had—Mark, we had early gains in deposits at Long Island. So between the closing of the transaction, June 1st and June 30th, we had significant deposit increases at the Long Island.
Bill Burns: Mark, we had early gains in deposits at Long Island. So between the closing of the transaction, 1 June and 30 June, we had significant deposit increases at the Long Island part of the franchise.
Speaker #3: Part of the
Speaker #3: franchise. Okay.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. And then lastly, for me, is on the provision.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. And then lastly, for me, is on the provision.
Speaker #4: And then lastly for me is on the provision. This is obviously a lot of puts and takes, and I heard your comments on the call.
Bill Burns: Yeah
Mark Fitzgibbon: ... there's obviously a lot of puts and takes, and I heard your comments on the call.
Bill Burns: Yeah
Mark Fitzgibbon: ... there's obviously a lot of puts and takes, and I heard your comments on the call.
Bill Burns: Right.
Bill Burns: Right.
Mark Fitzgibbon: We've had some volatility in that line related to the deal, et cetera.
Mark Fitzgibbon: We've had some volatility in that line related to the deal, et cetera.
Speaker #4: We've had some volatility in that line related to the deal, etc. I mean, based on the pipeline that you have and your perception that credit is going to stay strong, should we be expecting provisions in the sort of 4 to 5 million dollar a quarter range assuming no surprises?
Bill Burns: Right.
Bill Burns: Right.
Mark Fitzgibbon: I mean, based on the pipeline that you have and, you know, your perception that credit is going to stay strong, should we be expecting provisions in the sort of $4 to 5 million a quarter range, you know, assuming no surprises?
Mark Fitzgibbon: I mean, based on the pipeline that you have and, you know, your perception that credit is going to stay strong, should we be expecting provisions in the sort of $4 to 5 million a quarter range, you know, assuming no surprises?
Speaker #3: I'm pretty good with what the street estimates are. I think it might be a little bit harder than that. You said 4
Bill Burns: I'm pretty good with what the street, what the street estimates are. I think it might be a little bit harder than that. 4 to – you said 4 to 5?
Bill Burns: I'm pretty good with what the street, what the street estimates are. I think it might be a little bit harder than that. 4 to – you said 4 to 5?
Speaker #3: to 5? 4 to Yeah.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Yeah.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Yeah.
Bill Burns: 4 to 6. You know?
Bill Burns: 4 to 6. You know?
Speaker #3: 6. More like 5 4 to 6. to maybe more like 5 to 6 million would be my projection. It's hard to tell. A lot of moving parts.
Mark Fitzgibbon: 4 to 6.
Mark Fitzgibbon: 4 to 6.
Bill Burns: More like $5 to, maybe more like $5 to 6 million would be my projection. It's hard to tell.
Bill Burns: More like $5 to, maybe more like $5 to 6 million would be my projection. It's hard to tell.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay.
Bill Burns: A lot of moving parts.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay.
Bill Burns: A lot of moving parts.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay.
Speaker #3: Okay? But there was definitely part of the reduction was non-recurring. Okay?
Bill Burns: Okay?
Bill Burns: Okay?
Mark Fitzgibbon: Great.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Great.
Bill Burns: But there was definitely a, you know, part of the reduction was non-recurring, okay?
Bill Burns: But there was definitely a, you know, part of the reduction was non-recurring, okay?
Speaker #4: Got it.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Got it.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Got it.
Bill Burns: For the quarter.
Bill Burns: For the quarter.
Speaker #3: For the quarter.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Thank you.
Mark Fitzgibbon: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Yep. Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo of Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Bill Burns: Yep.
Bill Burns: Yep.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo of Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo of Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thanks. Good
Daniel Tamayo: Thanks. Good morning, Frank. Good morning, Bill.
Daniel Tamayo: Thanks. Good morning, Frank. Good morning, Bill.
Speaker #5: morning, Frank. Good morning, Bill. Hey,
Frank Sorrentino: Hey, Danny. How are you?
Frank Sorrentino: Hey, Danny. How are you?
Speaker #2: Danny. How are you?
Daniel Tamayo: Doing well. Thanks.
Speaker #5: Doing well. Thanks. I guess so is there a chance that deposit growth exceeds loan growth this year given the slower loan growth guide from the
Speaker #5: Doing well. Thanks. I guess so is there a chance that deposit growth exceeds loan growth this year given the slower loan growth guide from the payoffs?
Daniel Tamayo: Doing well. Thanks.
Daniel Tamayo: ... I guess, so is there a chance that deposit growth exceeds loan growth this year, given the, the slower loan growth guide from the payoffs?
Daniel Tamayo: ... I guess, so is there a chance that deposit growth exceeds loan growth this year, given the, the slower loan growth guide from the payoffs?
Bill Burns: Yeah, I think that's, that is a possibility, but more likely than not, if I just had to project, it'd be about equal.
Bill Burns: Yeah, I think that's, that is a possibility, but more likely than not, if I just had to project, it'd be about equal.
Speaker #3: Yeah. I think that is a possibility, but more likely than not, if I just had to project, it'd be about equal.
Speaker #5: Okay. And then I got on late, so I apologize if this was mentioned already, but the deposit declined in the fourth quarter. But I guess you just said that you had some pretty good gains in the Long Island franchise post-close, but so my question was going to be, is that related to the acquisition?
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And then I got on late, so I apologize if this was mentioned already. But the deposit declined in Q4. But I guess you just said that you had some pretty good gains in the Long Island franchise post-close. So my question was gonna be: Is that related to the acquisition? If not, where, what was the deposit decline?
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And then I got on late, so I apologize if this was mentioned already. But the deposit declined in Q4. But I guess you just said that you had some pretty good gains in the Long Island franchise post-close. So my question was gonna be: Is that related to the acquisition? If not, where, what was the deposit decline?
Speaker #5: If not, what would deposit decline?
Bill Burns: No, that little, that little anomaly, if you will, has to do with that we took the client deposits and used it to pay off broker deposits. So-
Bill Burns: No, that little, that little anomaly, if you will, has to do with that we took the client deposits and used it to pay off broker deposits. So-
Speaker #3: No, that little anomaly, if you will, has to do with that we took the client deposits and used it to pay off broker deposits.
Speaker #3: So, we're focused on the quality of our deposit base. And I think that's a big determinant in the evaluation of a bank—the quality of the deposit base.
Daniel Tamayo: Got it.
Daniel Tamayo: Got it.
Speaker #5: Got it.
Bill Burns: We're focused on quality of our deposit base. And I think that's a big determinant in evaluation of a bank, is the quality of the deposit base. So we are focused on that. Obviously, earnings are important, right? And growth is important, but we are focusing on, you know, smart, profitable growth, quality of the balance sheet, and return metrics.
Bill Burns: We're focused on quality of our deposit base. And I think that's a big determinant in evaluation of a bank, is the quality of the deposit base. So we are focused on that. Obviously, earnings are important, right? And growth is important, but we are focusing on, you know, smart, profitable growth, quality of the balance sheet, and return metrics.
Speaker #3: So we are focused on that. Obviously, earnings are important, right? And growth is important. But we are focusing on smart, profitable growth, quality of the balance sheet, and return metrics.
Daniel Tamayo: Understood. And then I guess, a clarification on your margin guidance, which was great-
Daniel Tamayo: Understood. And then I guess, a clarification on your margin guidance, which was great-
Speaker #5: Understood. And then I guess a clarification on your margin guidance, which was great—very specific. So I think I get everything except the five basis points from loan yields that you mentioned.
Bill Burns: Yeah.
Bill Burns: Yeah.
Daniel Tamayo: - very specific. So I think I get everything except the, the five basis points from loan yields that you mentioned.
Daniel Tamayo: - very specific. So I think I get everything except the, the five basis points from loan yields that you mentioned.
Bill Burns: Yeah.
Bill Burns: Yeah.
Daniel Tamayo: We should think about that. I think you said starting kind of mid-year or second quarter.
Daniel Tamayo: We should think about that. I think you said starting kind of mid-year or second quarter.
Speaker #5: We should think about that. And I think you said starting kind of mid-year or second quarter. That's kind of a gradual build to that overall five basis points that the way to think about that?
Bill Burns: Right.
Bill Burns: Right.
Daniel Tamayo: That's kind of a gradual build to that overall five basis points. Is that the way to think about that?
Daniel Tamayo: That's kind of a gradual build to that overall five basis points. Is that the way to think about that?
Speaker #3: Well, it's about five basis points a quarter for each of the third and fourth quarters where I'm projecting right now. Okay? The amount of loans repricing are skewed towards the latter half of the year.
Bill Burns: Well, it's like—it's about five basis points a quarter for each of the Q3 and Q4 is what I'm projecting right now, okay? The amount of loans repricing are skewed towards the latter half of the year, and that's why we are pushing that aspect of the margin increase out. Okay. The second thing is, you know, there's gonna be pressure on those repricings. Contractually, the repricings are significant, but contractually might not match market, right? Contractually might not match borrowers who say, don't need to take the loan, but see that the rate's higher and they're just gonna pay the loan off. And we've started to see that happen. So, the actual contractual that might be in our outcome model doesn't necessarily match or probably overstates what the margin widening will be.
Bill Burns: Well, it's like—it's about five basis points a quarter for each of the Q3 and Q4 is what I'm projecting right now, okay? The amount of loans repricing are skewed towards the latter half of the year, and that's why we are pushing that aspect of the margin increase out. Okay. The second thing is, you know, there's gonna be pressure on those repricings. Contractually, the repricings are significant, but contractually might not match market, right? Contractually might not match borrowers who say, don't need to take the loan, but see that the rate's higher and they're just gonna pay the loan off. And we've started to see that happen. So, the actual contractual that might be in our outcome model doesn't necessarily match or probably overstates what the margin widening will be.
Speaker #3: And that's why we are pushing that aspect of the margin increase out. Okay? The second thing is, there's going to be pressure on those repricings.
Speaker #3: Contractually, the repricings are significant. But contractually might not match market, right? Contractually might not match borrowers who say, "Don't need to take the loan, but see that the rate's higher," and they're just going to pay the loan off.
Speaker #3: And we've started to see that happen. So the actual contractual that might be in our outcome model doesn't necessarily match or probably overstays what the margin widening will be.
Bill Burns: And so I've tempered, you know, our margin guidance because of that.
Bill Burns: And so I've tempered, you know, our margin guidance because of that.
Speaker #3: And so I've tempered our margin guidance because of
Speaker #3: that. Understood. But
Daniel Tamayo: Understood. Okay. I think-
Daniel Tamayo: Understood. Okay. I think-
Speaker #5: Okay. I think.
Bill Burns: But directionally, directionally, you know, everything is pointing in the right direction.
Bill Burns: But directionally, directionally, you know, everything is pointing in the right direction.
Speaker #3: Directionally, everything is pointing in the right direction.
Speaker #3: direction. Got it.
Daniel Tamayo: Got it. Okay. All right. Well, thanks for the color. Appreciate it, guys.
Daniel Tamayo: Got it. Okay. All right. Well, thanks for the color. Appreciate it, guys.
Speaker #5: Okay. All right. Well, thanks for the color. Appreciate
Speaker #5: it, guys. Yep.
Bill Burns: Yep. Yep.
Bill Burns: Yep. Yep.
Speaker #3: Yep. Again, if you would like to ask a
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Speaker #6: Hey, good morning.
Speaker #6: Hey, good morning.
Matthew Breese: Hey, good morning.
Matthew Breese: Hey, good morning.
Speaker #3: Hi, Matt. Good morning,
Daniel Tamayo: Hi, Matt.
Daniel Tamayo: Hi, Matt.
Bill Burns: Good morning, Matt.
Bill Burns: Good morning, Matt.
Matthew Breese: Good morning. I was hoping we could just touch on the updated loan growth guide. You had also mentioned some payoff or prepayment activity. You know, what's driving that? Are you seeing spread compression, better offers for your clients from the agencies and insurance companies? We've heard quite a bit of that this quarter. And then, Bill, you had mentioned the pipeline, both in amount and rate. How does that look relative to last quarter or a year ago? I guess I'm trying to get a better idea of why, with everything and all the chess pieces where they are, why there's not a little bit better loan growth outlook for the year.
Matthew Breese: Good morning. I was hoping we could just touch on the updated loan growth guide. You had also mentioned some payoff or prepayment activity. You know, what's driving that? Are you seeing spread compression, better offers for your clients from the agencies and insurance companies? We've heard quite a bit of that this quarter. And then, Bill, you had mentioned the pipeline, both in amount and rate. How does that look relative to last quarter or a year ago? I guess I'm trying to get a better idea of why, with everything and all the chess pieces where they are, why there's not a little bit better loan growth outlook for the year.
Speaker #6: Good morning. I was Matt. hoping we could just touch on the updated loan growth guide. You had also mentioned some payoff or prepayment activity.
Speaker #6: What's driving that? Are you seeing spread compression, better offers for your clients from the agencies and insurance companies? We've heard quite a bit of that this quarter.
Speaker #6: And then Bill, you had mentioned the pipeline, both in amount relative to last quarter or a and rate. How does that look year ago?
Speaker #6: I guess I'm trying to get a better idea of why with everything and all the chess pieces where they are, why there's not a little bit better loan growth outlook for the year.
Speaker #3: Yeah, I think that's self-explanatory. The loan rates are a little bit lower than what was before. A lot of it has to do with the competition out there.
Bill Burns: Yeah. I think it's self-explanatory. You know, the spread, the loan rates are a little bit lower than what it was before. A lot of it has to do with competition out there. And, you know, we continue to allow loans that are non-relationship based to drift off the balance sheet. So, I think some of your projections, Matt, probably are, you know, maybe overly optimistic in terms of us achieving, you know, contractual repricing at the maximum amount. And I think it's smarter to temper that a little bit and be a little bit more conservative. On the upside, what you have, I think, is accurate. Okay? That would be the upside. But more conservatively speaking, it is a little bit lower in terms of growth and margin expansion.
Bill Burns: Yeah. I think it's self-explanatory. You know, the spread, the loan rates are a little bit lower than what it was before. A lot of it has to do with competition out there. And, you know, we continue to allow loans that are non-relationship based to drift off the balance sheet. So, I think some of your projections, Matt, probably are, you know, maybe overly optimistic in terms of us achieving, you know, contractual repricing at the maximum amount. And I think it's smarter to temper that a little bit and be a little bit more conservative. On the upside, what you have, I think, is accurate. Okay? That would be the upside. But more conservatively speaking, it is a little bit lower in terms of growth and margin expansion.
Speaker #3: And we continue to allow loans that are non-relationship-based to drift off the balance sheet. So I think some of your projections, Matt, probably are maybe overly optimistic in terms of us achieving contractual repricing at the maximum amount.
Speaker #3: And I think it's smarter to temper that a little bit and be a little bit more conservative. On the upside, what you have, I think, is accurate.
Speaker #3: Okay? That would be the upside. But more conservatively speaking, more likely is a little bit lower in terms of growth and margin
Speaker #3: expansion. Got it.
Matthew Breese: Got it. Okay.
Matthew Breese: Got it. Okay.
Speaker #6: Okay. Yep. And then, Frank, you had
Bill Burns: Okay?
Bill Burns: Okay?
Speaker #3: Okay?
Matthew Breese: Yep. And then, Frank, you'd mentioned additional efficiencies. I'd love to kind of get your more holistic view on the expense base. There's a little bit of growth, but how are you using, you know, the newer technologies available to you? Have you test-run any AI? How productive, how impactful is that, and how do you think about operating leverage over the next couple of years?
Matthew Breese: Yep. And then, Frank, you'd mentioned additional efficiencies. I'd love to kind of get your more holistic view on the expense base. There's a little bit of growth, but how are you using, you know, the newer technologies available to you? Have you test-run any AI? How productive, how impactful is that, and how do you think about operating leverage over the next couple of years?
Speaker #6: You mentioned additional efficiencies. I'd love to kind of get your more holistic view on the expense base. There's a little bit of growth, but how are you using the newer technologies available to you?
Speaker #6: Have you test run any AI? How productive, how impactful is that, and how do you think about operating leverage over the next couple of years?
Daniel Tamayo: I think it's gonna be terrific, Matt. We've incorporated, you know, a number of leading technologies in the company going back years, and many of those are taking advantage of AI. Look, I'm not a big fan of talking about, you know, how great we're gonna be at utilizing AI, but the reality is, every vendor, every partner we have, is incorporating artificial intelligence into their systems.
Speaker #2: I think it's going to be terrific, Matt. We've incorporated a number of leading technologies in the company going back years. And many of those are taking advantage of AI.
Daniel Tamayo: I think it's gonna be terrific, Matt. We've incorporated, you know, a number of leading technologies in the company going back years, and many of those are taking advantage of AI. Look, I'm not a big fan of talking about, you know, how great we're gonna be at utilizing AI, but the reality is, every vendor, every partner we have, is incorporating artificial intelligence into their systems.
Speaker #2: Look, I'm not a big fan of talking about how great we're going to be at utilizing AI, but the reality is every vendor, every partner we have, is incorporating artificial intelligence into their systems.
Speaker #2: Which is just naturally making a lot of the processes better if you're utilizing those types of systems. It also forces us to think in that way and provide for a foundation here at ConnectOne, which is we've always been utilizing technology to replace labor.
Frank Sorrentino: ... which is just naturally making a lot of the processes better if you're utilizing those types of systems. It also forces us to think in that way and provide for a foundation here at ConnectOne, which is, you know, we've always been utilizing technology to replace labor. And so not only are we becoming more efficient internally, but the vendors that we've partnered with are also becoming more efficient. So I think we can grow the balance sheet without significant additions other than, you know, revenue-producing people who are creating those relationships that we highly value. But all of the back office functionality and the ability to serve our clients is just getting more efficient in every single thing we do.
Frank Sorrentino: ... which is just naturally making a lot of the processes better if you're utilizing those types of systems. It also forces us to think in that way and provide for a foundation here at ConnectOne, which is, you know, we've always been utilizing technology to replace labor. And so not only are we becoming more efficient internally, but the vendors that we've partnered with are also becoming more efficient. So I think we can grow the balance sheet without significant additions other than, you know, revenue-producing people who are creating those relationships that we highly value. But all of the back office functionality and the ability to serve our clients is just getting more efficient in every single thing we do.
Speaker #2: And so not only are we becoming more efficient internally, but the vendors that we partnered with are also becoming more efficient. So I think we can grow the balance sheet without significant additions, other than revenue-producing people, people who are creating those relationships that we highly value.
Speaker #2: But all of the backoffice functionality and the ability to serve our clients is just getting more efficient in every single thing we do. Now, we've made a lot of investments over the years relative to picking those systems that are probably going to be the winners to allow us to take full advantage of those types of efficiencies.
Frank Sorrentino: Now, we've made a lot of investments over the years, relative to picking those systems that are probably gonna be the winners to allow us to take full advantage of, you know, those types of efficiencies. It's what we're focused on. It's why, you know, we're in the top 1% of all banks in the country relative to efficiency ratio, even after doing, you know, this acquisition with First of Long Island, which dramatically expanded our retail branch presence. As I mentioned on the call, you know, we're looking to rationalize that over time, and be able to provide our clients a first-class experience, but be able to do it with, you know, the technological advantages that keep us in the lane of gaining operational leverage and operational efficiencies over time.
Frank Sorrentino: Now, we've made a lot of investments over the years, relative to picking those systems that are probably gonna be the winners to allow us to take full advantage of, you know, those types of efficiencies. It's what we're focused on. It's why, you know, we're in the top 1% of all banks in the country relative to efficiency ratio, even after doing, you know, this acquisition with First of Long Island, which dramatically expanded our retail branch presence. As I mentioned on the call, you know, we're looking to rationalize that over time, and be able to provide our clients a first-class experience, but be able to do it with, you know, the technological advantages that keep us in the lane of gaining operational leverage and operational efficiencies over time.
Speaker #2: It's what we're focused on. It's why we're in the top 1% of all banks in the country relative to efficiency ratio, even after doing this acquisition with First of Long Island, which dramatically expanded our retail branch presence.
Speaker #2: As I mentioned on the call, we're looking to rationalize that over time. And be able to provide our clients a first-class experience but be able to do it with the technological advantages that keep us in the lane of gaining operational leverage and operational efficiencies over time.
Speaker #2: As I mentioned on the call, we're looking to rationalize that over time. And be able to provide our clients a first-class experience but be able to do it with the technological advantages that keep us in the lane of gaining operational leverage and operational efficiencies over time.
Matthew Breese: And then one thing we've heard a lot about with these newer technologies is being able to use them, to your point, on back office compliance, but even BSA, AML, know your customer-type applications. Are you seeing the regulators adopt this as well, or are they okay with you all, you know, trying to apply it there? Are they on board with that kind of transition?
Matthew Breese: And then one thing we've heard a lot about with these newer technologies is being able to use them, to your point, on back office compliance, but even BSA, AML, know your customer-type applications. Are you seeing the regulators adopt this as well, or are they okay with you all, you know, trying to apply it there? Are they on board with that kind of transition?
Speaker #6: About with these newer technologies, and the one thing we've heard a lot is being able to use them, to your point, on back-office compliance, but even BSA, AML, know your customer.
Speaker #6: Type applications. Are you seeing the regulators adopt this as well, or are they okay with you all trying to apply it there? Are they on board with that kind of
Speaker #6: transition? Yeah, I think they are,
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah, I think they are, Matt. I think they recognize the changes that are taking place. Of course, there's always some skepticism relative to, you know, totally eliminating or, you know, creating what they perceive to be potentially a black box scenario, where they can't really understand how something's happening. So there's a fine line there, and, you know, I do think that there is some limitations there as to how far we can go at this point in time. But overall, I don't believe we've been stopped or even been curtailed in any effort that we've tried to put forward. So, but I will tell you this, you know, A, I used to say this just about, you know, technology in general.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah, I think they are, Matt. I think they recognize the changes that are taking place. Of course, there's always some skepticism relative to, you know, totally eliminating or, you know, creating what they perceive to be potentially a black box scenario, where they can't really understand how something's happening. So there's a fine line there, and, you know, I do think that there is some limitations there as to how far we can go at this point in time. But overall, I don't believe we've been stopped or even been curtailed in any effort that we've tried to put forward. So, but I will tell you this, you know, A, I used to say this just about, you know, technology in general.
Speaker #2: Matt. I think they recognize the changes that are taking place. Of course, there's always some skepticism relative to totally eliminating or creating what they perceive to be potentially a black box scenario where they can't really understand how something's happening.
Speaker #2: So there's a fine line there, and I do think that there is some limitations there as to how far we can go. At this point in time.
Speaker #2: But overall, I don't believe we've been stopped or even been curtailed in any effort that we've tried to put forward. So but I will tell you this.
Speaker #2: I used to say this just about technology in general. You just can't buy AI in a box. And just open the box and turn it on and plug it in.
Frank Sorrentino: You know, you just can't buy AI in a box and just open the box and turn it on and plug it in. It doesn't work that way. There needs to be. You know, for to gain efficiencies and to be able to get that leverage that we're talking about, you gotta have a holistic approach across the entire company to have good data, to have systems that speak to each other, to have all kinds of, you know, operational efficiencies that are already built into your system to take advantage or full advantage of some of these newer technologies. And so, you know, I think we're doing a good job of managing that process going forward and being able to extract those types of efficiencies. At the same time, we're able to grow our ability to get in front of more clients.
Frank Sorrentino: You know, you just can't buy AI in a box and just open the box and turn it on and plug it in. It doesn't work that way. There needs to be. You know, for to gain efficiencies and to be able to get that leverage that we're talking about, you gotta have a holistic approach across the entire company to have good data, to have systems that speak to each other, to have all kinds of, you know, operational efficiencies that are already built into your system to take advantage or full advantage of some of these newer technologies. And so, you know, I think we're doing a good job of managing that process going forward and being able to extract those types of efficiencies. At the same time, we're able to grow our ability to get in front of more clients.
Speaker #2: It doesn't work that way. There needs to be to gain efficiencies and to be able to get that leverage that we're talking about, you got to have a holistic approach across the entire company to have good data to have systems that speak to each other to have all kinds of operational efficiencies that are already built into your system to take advantage or full advantage of some of these newer technologies.
Speaker #2: And so I think we're doing a good job of managing that process going forward and being able to extract those types of efficiencies at the same time we're able to grow our ability to get in front of more clients.
Frank Sorrentino: And so, you know, the more we can spend time in the field, meeting with and going back to old world technology, you know, I tell everybody, "Go out and have 50 cups of coffee," you know, that's what, that's what brings in new business, I think the better off we're gonna be.
Frank Sorrentino: And so, you know, the more we can spend time in the field, meeting with and going back to old world technology, you know, I tell everybody, "Go out and have 50 cups of coffee," you know, that's what, that's what brings in new business, I think the better off we're gonna be.
Speaker #2: And so, the more we can spend time in the field—meeting with and going back to old-world technology—I tell everybody, go out and have 50 cups of coffee.
Speaker #2: That's what brings in new business. I think the better off we're going to be,
Speaker #2: be. Appreciate
Matthew Breese: Appreciate that. Just last one is, you know, you, you discussed M&A a little bit. You know, given your size now at, at $14 billion, you know, is there a lower bound of deal that just doesn't make sense anymore? And then secondly, maybe you could just speak to what markets or contiguous markets would be interesting to you, or oppositely, is there something in market that might be more of a financial deal that you'd be interested in?
Matthew Breese: Appreciate that. Just last one is, you know, you, you discussed M&A a little bit. You know, given your size now at, at $14 billion, you know, is there a lower bound of deal that just doesn't make sense anymore? And then secondly, maybe you could just speak to what markets or contiguous markets would be interesting to you, or oppositely, is there something in market that might be more of a financial deal that you'd be interested in?
Speaker #6: that. Just last one is you discussed M&A a little bit. Given your size now at 14 billion, is there a lower bound of deal that just doesn't make sense anymore?
Speaker #6: And then secondly, maybe you could just speak to what markets or contiguous markets would be interesting to you, or oppositely, is there something in-market that might be more of a financial deal that you'd be interested in?
Speaker #2: Yeah. I think it's hard to set a lower bound. I mean, I could envision a really small transaction that could be somehow transformative in a particular line of business we want or there's a group of folks that we want to get.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah. Matt, I think it's hard to set a lower bound. You know, I mean, like, I could envision a really small transaction that could be somehow transformative in a particular line of business we want, or there's a group of folks that we want to get. So I don't think we can evaluate opportunities solely based on size. Now, of course, all things being equal, and if all we're doing is adding to the balance sheet, yes, there are, you know, some scale issues relative to, you know, just wanting to do a deal that's too small and yet takes the same amount of time that something else might take. But again, I think we look at these things on a one-off basis. We try to determine, you know, does this make sense?
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah. Matt, I think it's hard to set a lower bound. You know, I mean, like, I could envision a really small transaction that could be somehow transformative in a particular line of business we want, or there's a group of folks that we want to get. So I don't think we can evaluate opportunities solely based on size. Now, of course, all things being equal, and if all we're doing is adding to the balance sheet, yes, there are, you know, some scale issues relative to, you know, just wanting to do a deal that's too small and yet takes the same amount of time that something else might take. But again, I think we look at these things on a one-off basis. We try to determine, you know, does this make sense?
Speaker #2: So I don't think we can evaluate opportunities solely based on size. Now, of course, all things being equal, and if all we're doing is adding to the balance sheet, yes, there are some scale issues relative to just wanting to do a deal that's too small and yet takes the same amount of time that something else might take.
Speaker #2: But again, I think we look at these things on a one-off basis. We try to determine does this make sense, will it be additive, are there synergies going forward, are there things that we can create real value moving forward, and that's the basis of being financially disciplined and looking how we're going to build a better valuation for the franchise in general.
Frank Sorrentino: Will it be additive? Are there synergies going forward? Are there things that, you know, we can create real value moving forward? And that's the basis of being financially disciplined and looking how we're going to build a better, you know, valuation for the franchise in general. As far as markets, you know, I, I've been pretty consistent speaking about, I'll say, staying within market. Within market, though, I, I consider us the New York Metro market, which is a huge market. And to me, that makes the most sense... I, I really don't want to rule anything else out. There could be something that's compelling that I haven't seen yet, or, you know, that, that, we haven't evaluated yet.
Frank Sorrentino: Will it be additive? Are there synergies going forward? Are there things that, you know, we can create real value moving forward? And that's the basis of being financially disciplined and looking how we're going to build a better, you know, valuation for the franchise in general. As far as markets, you know, I, I've been pretty consistent speaking about, I'll say, staying within market. Within market, though, I, I consider us the New York Metro market, which is a huge market. And to me, that makes the most sense... I, I really don't want to rule anything else out. There could be something that's compelling that I haven't seen yet, or, you know, that, that, we haven't evaluated yet.
Speaker #2: As far as markets, I've been pretty consistent speaking about, I'll say, staying within market. Within market, though, I consider us the New York Metro market, which is a huge market.
Speaker #2: And to me, that makes the most sense. I really don't want to rule anything else out. There could be something that's compelling that I haven't seen yet or that we haven't evaluated yet.
Speaker #2: But for mostly we believe and we have our roots based in this New York Metro market, which, as I said, is an incredibly large market.
Frank Sorrentino: But mostly we believe, and we have our roots based in this New York Metro market, which is, as I said, an incredibly large market. It extends beyond Philadelphia, you know, out to the western part of New Jersey, all the way, you know, along the Long Island Sound on both sides. So it's an enormous market. To me, what makes the most sense is within that 100- to 150-mile radius of New York City, you know, about a two-hour drive, that's me driving, you know, real fast. That's the market that I see. And of course, as I've joked before, I consider Southeast Florida to be the sixth borough of New York. So, you know, that I include that within the marketplace.
Frank Sorrentino: But mostly we believe, and we have our roots based in this New York Metro market, which is, as I said, an incredibly large market. It extends beyond Philadelphia, you know, out to the western part of New Jersey, all the way, you know, along the Long Island Sound on both sides. So it's an enormous market. To me, what makes the most sense is within that 100- to 150-mile radius of New York City, you know, about a two-hour drive, that's me driving, you know, real fast. That's the market that I see. And of course, as I've joked before, I consider Southeast Florida to be the sixth borough of New York. So, you know, that I include that within the marketplace.
Speaker #2: It extends beyond Philadelphia, out to the western part of New Jersey, all the way along the Long Island Sound on both sides. So it's an enormous market.
Speaker #2: To me, the most what makes the most sense is within that 100, 150-mile radius of New York City, about a two-hour drive. That's me driving real fast.
Speaker #2: That's the market that I see. And of course, as I've joked before, I consider Southeast Florida to be the sixth bar of New York.
Speaker #2: So I include that within the marketplace.
Speaker #6: Thank you for taking all my questions. I'll leave it
Daniel Tamayo: Thank you for taking all my questions. I'll leave it there.
Daniel Tamayo: Thank you for taking all my questions. I'll leave it there.
Speaker #2: Great, Matt.
Frank Sorrentino: Great, Matt.
Frank Sorrentino: Great, Matt.
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Speaker #8: Thanks, guys. This is just a quick follow-up here. And it's for you, Bill, the first one at least. Just wanted to clarify again on the margin that 335 to 340 base case, I think you called it, for the end of the year or by the end of the year, does that include any rate cuts in that
Daniel Tamayo: Thanks, guys. Just a quick follow-up here.
Daniel Tamayo: Thanks, guys. Just a quick follow-up here.
Frank Sorrentino: Okay.
Frank Sorrentino: Okay.
Daniel Tamayo: It's for you, Bill, the first one, at least. Just wanted to clarify again on the margin, the 3.35 to 3.40 base case, I think you called it, for the end of the year, by the end of the year. Does that include any rate cuts in that number?
Daniel Tamayo: It's for you, Bill, the first one, at least. Just wanted to clarify again on the margin, the 3.35 to 3.40 base case, I think you called it, for the end of the year, by the end of the year. Does that include any rate cuts in that number?
Speaker #8: number? Yeah, it probably includes
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah, it probably includes one rate cut.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah, it probably includes one rate cut.
Speaker #7: one rate cut.
Speaker #8: Okay. And then for Frank, just a clarification on the buyback talk, I hear you on the 9% TCE. Is the way to think about that you want to get there before you're going to do buybacks or you're comfortable kind of some buybacks with the stock price still low and more gradual uptake to
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And then, for Frank, just a clarification on the buyback talk. I hear you on the 9% TCE. Is the way to think about that, you want to get there before you're going to do buybacks, or are you comfortable kind of some buybacks with the stock price still low and more gradual uptake to 9%?
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And then, for Frank, just a clarification on the buyback talk. I hear you on the 9% TCE. Is the way to think about that, you want to get there before you're going to do buybacks, or are you comfortable kind of some buybacks with the stock price still low and more gradual uptake to 9%?
Speaker #8: 9%? Hard to say.
Frank Sorrentino: Hard to say. I, look, I think we're on the trajectory to meet and exceed that 9% number. I feel comfortable, you know, here. I do think we want to see how the year progresses. We want to look at what else is out in the marketplace, what opportunities there really are, either for organic growth, or any potential M&A activity down the road. So I think we're going to be very judicious with our capital. I think we've been good stewards of capital over time, and I think you've known us to do the right thing relative to our shareholders.
Frank Sorrentino: Hard to say. I, look, I think we're on the trajectory to meet and exceed that 9% number. I feel comfortable, you know, here. I do think we want to see how the year progresses. We want to look at what else is out in the marketplace, what opportunities there really are, either for organic growth, or any potential M&A activity down the road. So I think we're going to be very judicious with our capital. I think we've been good stewards of capital over time, and I think you've known us to do the right thing relative to our shareholders.
Speaker #2: Look, I think we're on the trajectory to meet and exceed that 9% number. I feel comfortable here. I do think we want to see how the year progresses.
Speaker #2: We want to look at what else is out in the marketplace, what opportunities there really are either for organic growth or any potential M&A activity down the road.
Speaker #2: So I think we're going to be very judicious with our capital I think we've been good stewards of capital over time. And I think you've known us to do the right thing relative to our
Speaker #2: shareholders.
Daniel Tamayo: Understood. Okay, that's all I had. Thanks, guys.
Daniel Tamayo: Understood. Okay, that's all I had. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #8: Understood. Okay.
Speaker #8: That's all I had. Thanks, guys.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah. Yep.
Frank Sorrentino: Yeah. Yep.
Speaker #7: Yep.
Daniel Tamayo: Go ahead.
Daniel Tamayo: Go ahead.
Speaker #8: Go Yeah.
Bill Burns: Matt, Danny, I was just going to say, you know, with the, you know, continually increased return on equity, a relatively low dividend payout ratio, and, you know, subdued growth on the balance sheet, that ratio is headed up, you know, at a good pace, capital ratio.
Bill Burns: Matt, Danny, I was just going to say, you know, with the, you know, continually increased return on equity, a relatively low dividend payout ratio, and, you know, subdued growth on the balance sheet, that ratio is headed up, you know, at a good pace, capital ratio.
Speaker #7: Matt, Danny, I was just going to ahead. say with the continually increased return on equity, a relatively low dividend payout ratio, and subdued growth on the balance sheet, that ratio is headed up.
Speaker #7: At a good pace. Capital ratio. There are no further questions at this time. With that, I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. With that, I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks. Please go ahead.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. With that, I will now turn the call over to management for closing remarks. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Please go
Speaker #7: ahead. Well, I want to
Frank Sorrentino: Well, I want to thank everyone again for joining us today, and certainly we look forward to speaking with you during our Q1 conference call. With that, please have a great day.
Frank Sorrentino: Well, I want to thank everyone again for joining us today, and certainly we look forward to speaking with you during our Q1 conference call. With that, please have a great day.
Speaker #2: thank everyone again for joining us today and certainly we look forward to speaking with you during our first quarter conference call. And with that, please have a great
Speaker #2: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. We thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. We thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
