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Q4 2025 Five Point Holdings LLC Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Greetings. through. And welcome to the Five Point Holdings fourth quarter and year-end 2025 conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Today's call may include forward-looking statements regarding Five Point's business, financial condition, operations, cash flow, strategy, acquisitions, and prospects.
Operator: Greetings, and welcome to the Five Point Holdings Fourth Quarter and Year-End 2025 Conference Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Today's call may include forward-looking statements regarding Five Point's business, financial condition, operations, cash flow, strategy, acquisitions, and prospects. Forward-looking statements represent Five Point's estimates on the date of this conference call and are not intended to give any assurance as to actual future results. Because forward-looking statements relate to matters that have not yet occurred, these statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties... Many factors could affect future results and may cause Five Point's actual activities or results to differ materially from the activities and results anticipated in forward-looking statements.
Speaker #1: Forward-looking statements represent Five Point's estimates on the date of this conference call and are not intended to give any assurance as to actual future results.
Speaker #1: Because forward-looking statements relate to matters that have not yet occurred, these statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties. Many factors could affect future results, and may cause Five Point's actual activities or results to differ materially from the activities and results anticipated in forward-looking statements.
Speaker #1: These factors include those described in today's press release and Five Point's SEC filings, including those in the risk factor section of Five Point's most recent annual report on Form 10-K, filed with the SEC.
Operator: These factors include those described in today's press release and Five Point's SEC filings, including those in the Risk Factors section of Five Point's most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. Please note that Five Point assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn over the call to Dan Hedigan, President and Chief Executive Officer.
These factors include those described in today's press release and Five Point's SEC filings, including those in the Risk Factors section of Five Point's most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. Please note that Five Point assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn over the call to Dan Hedigan, President and Chief Executive Officer.
Speaker #1: Please note that Five Point assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn over the call to Dan Hedigan, President and Chief Executive.
Speaker #1: Officer. Thank you,
Dan Hedigan: Thank you, Vaughn. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining our call. I have with me today Kim Tobler, our Chief Financial Officer, and Leo Key, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Reporting. Stuart Miller, our Executive Chairman, and Mike Alvarado, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer, are joining us remotely. On today's call, I will review our Q4 and full year 2025 results, which mark another important milestone for Five Point. I'll discuss our operational progress during the year, highlight several major accomplishments across our communities, and outline our strategic priorities as we move into 2026. Kim will then walk through our financial results in more detail and review our outlook. We'll open the line for questions following our prepared remarks. Turning first to our results. I'm very pleased to report...
Dan Hedigan: Thank you, Vaughn. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining our call. I have with me today Kim Tobler, our Chief Financial Officer, and Leo Key, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Reporting. Stuart Miller, our Executive Chairman, and Mike Alvarado, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer, are joining us remotely. On today's call, I will review our Q4 and full year 2025 results, which mark another important milestone for Five Point. I'll discuss our operational progress during the year, highlight several major accomplishments across our communities, and outline our strategic priorities as we move into 2026. Kim will then walk through our financial results in more detail and review our outlook. We'll open the line for questions following our prepared remarks. Turning first to our results. I'm very pleased to report...
Speaker #2: Vaughn. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining our call. I have with me today Kim Tobler, our Chief Financial Officer, and Leo Key, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Reporting.
Speaker #2: Stuart Miller, our Executive Chairman, and Mike Alvarado, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer, are joining us remotely. On today's call, I will review our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results.
Speaker #2: Stuart Miller, our Executive Chairman, and Mike Alvarado, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer, are joining us remotely. On today's call, I will review our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. important milestone for Five Which mark another Point.
Speaker #2: I'll discuss our operational progress during the year, highlight several major accomplishments across our communities, and outline our strategic priorities as we move into 2026.
Speaker #2: Kim will then walk through our financial results in more detail and review our outlook. We'll open the line for questions following our prepared remarks.
Speaker #2: Turning first to our results, I'm very pleased to report. I'm very pleased to report that 2025 was another record year for Five Point, despite challenging market conditions.
Dan Hedigan: I'm very pleased to report that 2025 was another record year for Five Point, despite challenging market conditions. In Q4, we generated $58.7 million in net income, resulting in annual consolidated net income of $183.5 million, exceeding our prior record set in 2024. Our net income for the year exceeded the revised guidance we issued in Q2 2025 by roughly $6 million, reflecting our team's expertise and consistent execution across our platform, disciplined capital management, and continued pricing strength at The Great Park. Beyond our strong financial results, we also obtained critical entitlement approvals during Q4 at both Valencia and The Great Park. I'll provide additional detail later in the community updates. These entitlements will enhance our near-term cash flows by creating a foundation for the company's future development.
I'm very pleased to report that 2025 was another record year for Five Point, despite challenging market conditions. In Q4, we generated $58.7 million in net income, resulting in annual consolidated net income of $183.5 million, exceeding our prior record set in 2024. Our net income for the year exceeded the revised guidance we issued in Q2 2025 by roughly $6 million, reflecting our team's expertise and consistent execution across our platform, disciplined capital management, and continued pricing strength at The Great Park. Beyond our strong financial results, we also obtained critical entitlement approvals during Q4 at both Valencia and The Great Park. I'll provide additional detail later in the community updates. These entitlements will enhance our near-term cash flows by creating a foundation for the company's future development.
Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter, we generated $58.7 million in net income, resulting in annual consolidated net income of $183.5 million, exceeding our prior record set in 2024.
Speaker #2: Our net income for the year exceeded the revised guidance we issued in Q2 2025 by roughly $6 million. Reflecting our team's expertise and consistent execution across our platform, disciplined capital management, and continued pricing strength at the great park.
Speaker #2: Beyond our strong financial results, we also obtained critical entitlement approvals during the fourth quarter at both Valencia and the great park. I'll provide additional detail later in the community updates.
Speaker #2: These entitlements will enhance our near-term cash flows by creating a foundation for the company's future development. It goes without saying, but we could not have hit these operational and financial milestones over the past few years without the dedicated and focused efforts of our small and efficient hardworking team.
Dan Hedigan: It goes without saying, but we could not have hit these operational and financial milestones over the past few years without the dedicated and focused efforts of our small and efficient, hardworking team. During the three months ending 31 December 2025, we were able to close meaningful land sales at both of our active communities. In Valencia, we closed an industrial land sale consisting of 13.8 acres for purchase price of $42.5 million. At The Great Park, the venture closed three new home programs with 187 home sites on 19.7 acres for an aggregate base purchase price of $181.5 million. As a result of Great Park operations during the quarter, we received $73.6 million in distributions and incentive compensation payments from The Great Park venture.
It goes without saying, but we could not have hit these operational and financial milestones over the past few years without the dedicated and focused efforts of our small and efficient, hardworking team. During the three months ending 31 December 2025, we were able to close meaningful land sales at both of our active communities. In Valencia, we closed an industrial land sale consisting of 13.8 acres for purchase price of $42.5 million. At The Great Park, the venture closed three new home programs with 187 home sites on 19.7 acres for an aggregate base purchase price of $181.5 million. As a result of Great Park operations during the quarter, we received $73.6 million in distributions and incentive compensation payments from The Great Park venture.
Speaker #2: During the three months into December 31, 2025, we were able to close meaningful land sales at both of our active communities. In Valencia, we closed an industrial land sale consisting of 13.8 acres for purchase price of $42.5 million, at the great park the venture closed three new home programs with $187 home sites on 19.7 acres for an aggregate-based purchase price of $181.5 million.
Speaker #2: As a result of great park operations during the quarter, we received $73.6 million in distributions and incentive compensation payments from the great park venture.
Speaker #2: Let me now talk about the market. 2025 unfolded against a housing market that remained challenging, shaped by economic uncertainty, elevated interest rates, and affordability constraints.
Dan Hedigan: Let me now talk about the market. 2025 unfolded against a housing market that remained challenging, shaped by economic uncertainty, elevated interest rates, and affordability constraints. Even so, our results underscore the resilience of our assets, which in part derive from the consequences of operating in supply-constrained California markets. At The Great Park, homebuyer and builder demand remained strong throughout the year, allowing us to close sales on 13 different programs, consisting of 920 home sites, while also maintaining pricing discipline. In Valencia, although home sales volumes were more modest and we elected to delay residential land sales to our guest builders, the long-term value of the asset was significantly enhanced by securing major entitlement approvals that will support the next phase of our residential and industrial development activity.
Let me now talk about the market. 2025 unfolded against a housing market that remained challenging, shaped by economic uncertainty, elevated interest rates, and affordability constraints. Even so, our results underscore the resilience of our assets, which in part derive from the consequences of operating in supply-constrained California markets. At The Great Park, homebuyer and builder demand remained strong throughout the year, allowing us to close sales on 13 different programs, consisting of 920 home sites, while also maintaining pricing discipline. In Valencia, although home sales volumes were more modest and we elected to delay residential land sales to our guest builders, the long-term value of the asset was significantly enhanced by securing major entitlement approvals that will support the next phase of our residential and industrial development activity.
Speaker #2: Even so, our results underscore the resilience of our assets, which in part derived from the consequences of operating in supply-constrained California markets. At the great park, homebuyer and builder demand remained strong throughout the year, allowing us to close sales on 13 different programs consisting of 920 home sites.
Speaker #2: While maintaining while also maintaining pricing discipline. In Valencia, although home sales volumes were more modest and we elected to delay residential land sales to our guest builders, the long-term value of the asset was significantly enhanced by securing major entitlement approvals that will support the next phase of our residential and industrial development activity.
Speaker #2: As a number of public home builders have recently noted, homebuyer demand nationally has continued to be tempered by ongoing affordability headwinds. We have seen this impact more in Valencia than in the great park, but we believe that demand will continue to be supported by the persistent undersupply of housing and our core markets.
Dan Hedigan: As a number of public home builders have recently noted, homebuyer demand nationally has continued to be tempered by ongoing affordability headwinds. We have seen this impact more in Valencia than in The Great Park, but we believe that demand will continue to be supported by the persistent undersupply of housing in our core markets. As we look ahead, we expect that despite intermittent challenges from interest rates or other factors that affect consumer sentiment, we should see growing buyer confidence and moderating interest rates translating to improving demand for well-located home sites. Against this backdrop, in 2025, we significantly strengthened our company. From a financial perspective, during the year, we materially enhanced our balance sheet and capital structure.
As a number of public home builders have recently noted, homebuyer demand nationally has continued to be tempered by ongoing affordability headwinds. We have seen this impact more in Valencia than in The Great Park, but we believe that demand will continue to be supported by the persistent undersupply of housing in our core markets. As we look ahead, we expect that despite intermittent challenges from interest rates or other factors that affect consumer sentiment, we should see growing buyer confidence and moderating interest rates translating to improving demand for well-located home sites. Against this backdrop, in 2025, we significantly strengthened our company. From a financial perspective, during the year, we materially enhanced our balance sheet and capital structure.
Speaker #2: Ahead, we expect that as we look, despite intermittent challenges from interest rates or other factors that affect consumer sentiment, we should see growing buyer confidence and moderating interest rates translating into improving demand for well-located home sites.
Speaker #2: Against this backdrop, in 2025, we significantly strengthened our company. From a financial perspective, during the year we materially enhanced our balance sheet and capital structure.
Speaker #2: We refinanced our senior notes, issuing $450 million of 8% notes due October 2030, and retained another $75 million, which will reduce our annual interest expense by approximately $20 million.
Dan Hedigan: We refinanced our Senior Notes, issuing 4.5% and 8% notes due October 2030, and repaying another $75 million, which will reduce our annual interest expense by approximately $20 million. Since January 2024, we have paid down a total of $175 million in debt. Additionally, we expanded and extended our Revolving Credit Facility to $217.5 million, with a new maturity of July 2029. These actions greatly reduced our near-term refinancing risk while preserving substantial liquidity. We ended the year with cash of $425 million and total liquidity of $643 million....
We refinanced our Senior Notes, issuing 4.5% and 8% notes due October 2030, and repaying another $75 million, which will reduce our annual interest expense by approximately $20 million. Since January 2024, we have paid down a total of $175 million in debt. Additionally, we expanded and extended our Revolving Credit Facility to $217.5 million, with a new maturity of July 2029. These actions greatly reduced our near-term refinancing risk while preserving substantial liquidity. We ended the year with cash of $425 million and total liquidity of $643 million....
Speaker #2: Since January 2024, we have paid down a total of 175 million dollars in debt. Additionally, we expanded and extended our evolving credit facility to 217 million point 17.5 million, with a new maturity of July 2029.
Speaker #2: These actions greatly reduced our near-term refinancing risk while preserving substantial liquidity. We ended the year with cash of $425 million and total liquidity of $643 million.
Speaker #2: Importantly, our balance sheet and liquidity provide us with exceptional flexibility around capital allocation, including the ability to engage growth opportunities, which I will discuss later, as well as the ability to potentially return capital to shareholders over time.
Dan Hedigan: Importantly, our balance sheet and liquidity provide us with exceptional flexibility around capital allocation, including the ability to engage growth opportunities, which I will discuss later, as well as the ability to potentially return capital to shareholders over time. To be clear, however, our first priority is to pursue our growth strategy as we seek to expand recurring revenues. From an operating standpoint, 2025 was defined by securing critical entitlement approvals in Valencia and The Great Park, steady demand at The Great Park, continued progress on land development activities for the next phase of infrastructure at Candlestick, and the successful closing and integration of the Hearthstone land banking platform, which added a pivotal new earning stream to our business. Before turning to community updates, I want to briefly review our operating and growth strategy, which continues to guide our decision-making. Our strategy rests on four core pillars.
Importantly, our balance sheet and liquidity provide us with exceptional flexibility around capital allocation, including the ability to engage growth opportunities, which I will discuss later, as well as the ability to potentially return capital to shareholders over time. To be clear, however, our first priority is to pursue our growth strategy as we seek to expand recurring revenues. From an operating standpoint, 2025 was defined by securing critical entitlement approvals in Valencia and The Great Park, steady demand at The Great Park, continued progress on land development activities for the next phase of infrastructure at Candlestick, and the successful closing and integration of the Hearthstone land banking platform, which added a pivotal new earning stream to our business. Before turning to community updates, I want to briefly review our operating and growth strategy, which continues to guide our decision-making. Our strategy rests on four core pillars.
Speaker #2: To be clear, however, our first priority is to pursue our growth strategy as we seek to expand recurring revenues. From an operating standpoint, 2025 was defined by securing critical entitlement approvals in Valencia and the great park, steady demand at the great park, continued progress on land development activities for the next phase of infrastructure at Candlestick, and the successful closing and integration of the Hearthstone land banking platform, which added a pivotal new earnings stream to our business.
Speaker #2: Before turning to community updates, I want to briefly review our operating and growth strategy, which continues to guide our decision-making. Our strategy rests on four core pillars.
Speaker #2: First, maximizing the value of our existing communities. This means aligning land sales with builder demand, pacing development appropriately, and maintaining the flexibility to be patient when market conditions warrant it.
Dan Hedigan: First, maximizing the value of our existing communities. This means aligning land sales with builder demand, pacing development appropriately, and maintaining the flexibility to be patient when market conditions warrant it. Second, maintaining a lean operating structure. Even as we've grown earnings and expanded our platform, we've remained disciplined in managing overhead and fixed costs. Third, matching development spending with revenue generation, ensuring capital is deployed efficiently and not too far in advance of monetization. And fourth, expanding our platform through targeted growth initiatives, most recently through the addition of Hearthstone and its short-term land banking business. Let me now provide you with some updates on our communities, starting first with the Great Park Neighborhoods. During the fourth quarter, builders in our Great Park community sold 78 homes versus 187 in Q3.
First, maximizing the value of our existing communities. This means aligning land sales with builder demand, pacing development appropriately, and maintaining the flexibility to be patient when market conditions warrant it. Second, maintaining a lean operating structure. Even as we've grown earnings and expanded our platform, we've remained disciplined in managing overhead and fixed costs. Third, matching development spending with revenue generation, ensuring capital is deployed efficiently and not too far in advance of monetization. And fourth, expanding our platform through targeted growth initiatives, most recently through the addition of Hearthstone and its short-term land banking business. Let me now provide you with some updates on our communities, starting first with the Great Park Neighborhoods. During the fourth quarter, builders in our Great Park community sold 78 homes versus 187 in Q3.
Speaker #2: Second, maintaining a lean operating structure. Even as we've grown earnings and expanded our platform, we've remained disciplined in managing overhead and fixed costs. Third, matching development spending with revenue generation, ensuring capital is deployed efficiently and not too far in advance of monetization.
Speaker #2: And fourth, expanding our platform through targeted growth initiatives most recently through the addition of Hearthstone and a short-term land banking business. Let me now provide you with some updates on our communities starting first with the great park neighborhoods.
Speaker #2: During the fourth quarter, builders in our Great Park community sold 78 homes versus 187 in Q3. This decrease in sales is primarily attributable to seasonality and a reduction in available home supply as existing collections sold out.
Dan Hedigan: This decrease in sales is primarily attributable to seasonality and a reduction in available home supply as existing collections sold out. We currently have 12 actively selling programs in the Great Park Neighborhoods, with eight additional programs planned to open later this year. These current and upcoming programs will ensure our guest builders can continue delivering a wide variety of housing options throughout Great Park Neighborhoods. During the year, we closed multiple large residential land sales, many of which incorporated price participation structures designed to balance near-term certainty with long-term upside. The three programs we closed in the Q4 utilized this price participation model. An average base purchase price for these Q4 sales was $9.2 million per acre before taking into account potential price participation. These transactions show our ability to structure without sacrificing value.
This decrease in sales is primarily attributable to seasonality and a reduction in available home supply as existing collections sold out. We currently have 12 actively selling programs in the Great Park Neighborhoods, with eight additional programs planned to open later this year. These current and upcoming programs will ensure our guest builders can continue delivering a wide variety of housing options throughout Great Park Neighborhoods. During the year, we closed multiple large residential land sales, many of which incorporated price participation structures designed to balance near-term certainty with long-term upside. The three programs we closed in the Q4 utilized this price participation model. An average base purchase price for these Q4 sales was $9.2 million per acre before taking into account potential price participation. These transactions show our ability to structure without sacrificing value.
Speaker #2: We currently have 12 actively selling programs in the great park neighborhoods, with eight additional programs planned to open later this year. These current and upcoming programs will ensure our guest builders can continue delivering a wide variety of housing options throughout great park neighborhoods.
Speaker #2: During the year, we closed multiple large residential land sales. Many of which incorporated price participation structures designed to balance near-term certainty with long-term upside.
Speaker #2: The three programs we closed in the fourth quarter utilized this price participation model and average-based purchase price for these fourth quarter sales was 9.2 million dollars per acre before taking into account potential price participation.
Speaker #2: These transactions offer our ability to adapt structure without sacrificing value. We currently are in the bidding process with builders for four new residential programs totaling approximately $27 acres.
Dan Hedigan: We currently are in a bidding process with builders for four new residential programs totaling approximately 27 acres. We expect to complete the bidding process and close these land sales by the end of this year. Importantly, we also received approval from the city council for new entitlements that will allow us to convert approximately 100 acres of commercial land into additional market-rate home sites, further advancing the value of this community. Next, I'll move to Valencia, our other active community. Valencia is still in the early stages of its development and has many future phases of land delivery ahead of it, which will enable us to provide much-needed housing in the Los Angeles market. Home sales showed improvement during the quarter as our guest builders sold 70 new homes versus 50 in Q3.
We currently are in a bidding process with builders for four new residential programs totaling approximately 27 acres. We expect to complete the bidding process and close these land sales by the end of this year. Importantly, we also received approval from the city council for new entitlements that will allow us to convert approximately 100 acres of commercial land into additional market-rate home sites, further advancing the value of this community. Next, I'll move to Valencia, our other active community. Valencia is still in the early stages of its development and has many future phases of land delivery ahead of it, which will enable us to provide much-needed housing in the Los Angeles market. Home sales showed improvement during the quarter as our guest builders sold 70 new homes versus 50 in Q3.
Speaker #2: We expect to complete the bidding process and close these land sales by the end of this year. Importantly, we also received approval from the city council for new entitlements that will allow us to convert approximately 100 acres of commercial land into additional market-rate home sites.
Speaker #2: Further advancing the value of this community. Next, I'll move to Valencia, our other active community. Valencia is still in the early stages of its development and has many future phases of land delivery ahead of it, which will enable us to provide much-needed housing in the Los Angeles market.
Speaker #2: Home sales showed improvement during the quarter, as our guest builders sold 70 new homes versus 50 in Q3. During the fourth quarter, two programs sold out in Valencia, and we now have 10 builder programs open and actively selling.
Dan Hedigan: During Q4, 2 programs sold out in Valencia, and we now have 10 builder programs open and actively selling. Additionally, we anticipate 6 new programs will open during 2026, offering prospective home buyers additional home product options. As I mentioned, we closed our first significant industrial land sale in over 15 years at Valencia during Q4, consisting of 13.8 acres for a purchase price of $42.5 million. In order to optimize land values, we elected to delay residential land sales in 2025. We are currently talking to our Guest Builders about potential land sales in 2026. Although we did not complete any residential land sales, 2025 was a transformational year for Valencia, as we received unanimous approval from Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors for the Entrada South and Valencia Commerce Center entitlements.
During Q4, 2 programs sold out in Valencia, and we now have 10 builder programs open and actively selling. Additionally, we anticipate 6 new programs will open during 2026, offering prospective home buyers additional home product options. As I mentioned, we closed our first significant industrial land sale in over 15 years at Valencia during Q4, consisting of 13.8 acres for a purchase price of $42.5 million. In order to optimize land values, we elected to delay residential land sales in 2025. We are currently talking to our Guest Builders about potential land sales in 2026. Although we did not complete any residential land sales, 2025 was a transformational year for Valencia, as we received unanimous approval from Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors for the Entrada South and Valencia Commerce Center entitlements.
Speaker #2: Additionally, we anticipate six new programs opening during 2026, offering prospective home buyers additional home product options. As I mentioned, we closed our first significant industrial land sale in over 15 years at Valencia during the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: Consisting of 13.8 acres for purchase price of $42.5 million, in order to optimize land values, we elected to delay residential land sales in 2025.
Speaker #2: We are currently talking to our guest builders about potential land sales in 2026. Although we did not complete any residential land sales, 2025 was a transformational year for Valencia, as we received unanimous approval from the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors for the Entrata South and Valencia's Commerce Center entitlements.
Speaker #2: While California and Valencia in particular have a long history of land use litigation, challenging new housing projects, which unfortunately we've had to build into our business planning, we're happy to report that no litigation was filed to challenge the approval of these communities.
Dan Hedigan: While California, and Valencia in particular, have a long history of land use litigation, challenging new housing projects, which unfortunately we've had to build into our business planning, we're happy to report that no litigation was filed to challenge the approval of these communities, an outcome that will allow us to accelerate our development timeline. Entrada South is expected to consist of approximately 120 net acres of residential land, over 1,300 market rate home sites, and approximately 40 net acres of commercial land. Our Valencia Commerce Center is expected to include approximately 110 net acres and will cater towards industrial-focused uses. We're also pursuing approvals for three additional villages.
While California, and Valencia in particular, have a long history of land use litigation, challenging new housing projects, which unfortunately we've had to build into our business planning, we're happy to report that no litigation was filed to challenge the approval of these communities, an outcome that will allow us to accelerate our development timeline. Entrada South is expected to consist of approximately 120 net acres of residential land, over 1,300 market rate home sites, and approximately 40 net acres of commercial land. Our Valencia Commerce Center is expected to include approximately 110 net acres and will cater towards industrial-focused uses. We're also pursuing approvals for three additional villages.
Speaker #2: An outcome that will allow us to accelerate our development timeline. Entrata South is expected to consist of approximately 120 net acres of residential land, over 1,300 market-rate home sites, and approximately 40 net acres of commercial land.
Speaker #2: Our Valencia Commerce Center is expected to include approximately 110 net acres and will cater toward industrial-focused uses. We're also pursuing approvals for three additional villages. When approved, these villages—combined with existing entitlements—will provide over 10,000 entitled home sites, creating a deep pipeline for future land sales to help meet demand in the county's chronically undersupplied housing market.
Dan Hedigan: When approved, these villages, combined with existing entitlements, will provide over 10,000 entitled home sites, creating a deep pipeline for future land sales to help meet demand in the county's chronically under supplied housing market. These approvals will substantially enhance the long-term value of Valencia and position it to become an increasingly meaningful contributor to our results. Turning to San Francisco, we're finalizing engineering for the next phase of infrastructure, and we're working with local agencies on ministerial infrastructure permits for the initial site work. We still expect to begin this initial site work at Candlestick in the first half of 2026. Now let me discuss Hearthstone. We closed the acquisition in Q3 of 2025, and the Five Point and Hearthstone teams hit the ground running.
When approved, these villages, combined with existing entitlements, will provide over 10,000 entitled home sites, creating a deep pipeline for future land sales to help meet demand in the county's chronically under supplied housing market. These approvals will substantially enhance the long-term value of Valencia and position it to become an increasingly meaningful contributor to our results. Turning to San Francisco, we're finalizing engineering for the next phase of infrastructure, and we're working with local agencies on ministerial infrastructure permits for the initial site work. We still expect to begin this initial site work at Candlestick in the first half of 2026. Now let me discuss Hearthstone. We closed the acquisition in Q3 of 2025, and the Five Point and Hearthstone teams hit the ground running.
Speaker #2: These approvals will substantially enhance the long-term value of Valencia and will position it to become an increasingly meaningful contributor to our results. Turning to San Francisco, we're finalizing engineering for the next phase of infrastructure and working with local agencies on ministerial infrastructure permits for the initial site work.
Speaker #2: We still expect to begin this initial site work at Candlestick in the first half of 2026. Now let me discuss Hearthstone. We closed the acquisition in Q3 of 2025, and the Five Point and Hearthstone teams hit the ground running.
Speaker #2: I want to reiterate how excited we are to have this incredible talented and experienced group from Hearthstone as part of Five Point. At closing, Hearthstone had approximately $2.6 billion of assets under management and that figure has since grown to approximately $3.4 billion.
Dan Hedigan: I want to reiterate how excited we are to have this incredible, talented, and experienced group from Hearthstone as part of Five Point. At closing, Hearthstone had approximately $2.6 billion of assets under management, and that figure has since grown to approximately $3.4 billion. Additionally, we anticipate securing $300 to 500 million of newly originated capital commitments in Q1. In 2025, Hearthstone contributed $11.8 million of management fee revenue and $3.5 million of net income to Five Point's consolidated results. Beyond the near-term financial contribution, Hearthstone considerably expands our relationship with institutional capital partners and builders, and provides a scalable platform for fee-based earnings growth. With Hearthstone, Five Point now participates in both long duration, master plan, community development, and shorter duration land banking, creating a more balanced and diversified earnings profile.
I want to reiterate how excited we are to have this incredible, talented, and experienced group from Hearthstone as part of Five Point. At closing, Hearthstone had approximately $2.6 billion of assets under management, and that figure has since grown to approximately $3.4 billion. Additionally, we anticipate securing $300 to 500 million of newly originated capital commitments in Q1. In 2025, Hearthstone contributed $11.8 million of management fee revenue and $3.5 million of net income to Five Point's consolidated results. Beyond the near-term financial contribution, Hearthstone considerably expands our relationship with institutional capital partners and builders, and provides a scalable platform for fee-based earnings growth. With Hearthstone, Five Point now participates in both long duration, master plan, community development, and shorter duration land banking, creating a more balanced and diversified earnings profile.
Speaker #2: Additionally, we anticipate securing $300 million to $500 million of newly originated capital commitments in the first quarter. In 2025, Hearthstone contributed $11.8 million of management fee revenue and $3.5 million of net income to Five Point's consolidated results.
Speaker #2: Beyond the near-term financial contribution, Hearthstone considerably expands our relationship with institutional capital partners and builders and provides a scalable platform for fee-based earnings growth.
Speaker #2: With Hearthstone, Five Point now participates in both long-duration master plan community development and shorter-duration land banking creating a more balanced and diversified earnings profile.
Speaker #2: Now that we are well into the process of integrating Hearthstone, we're exploring additional revenue growth options available to Five Point. We're currently evaluating middle-duration opportunities in the land ecosystem in order to grow a durable platform for the future.
Dan Hedigan: Now that we are well into the process of integrating Hearthstone, we're exploring additional revenue growth options available to Five Point. We're currently evaluating middle duration opportunities in the land ecosystem in order to grow a durable platform for the future. While I can't provide further information at this juncture, our management team is focused on leveraging our experience, balance sheet, and capital relationships to pursue opportunities utilizing outside capital partners to create additional fee-based revenue streams using an asset-light approach. We expect to have more to report on these initiatives on future calls. Before I wrap up, let me provide an outlook for 2026. Based on what we have seen today, we expect consolidated net income in 2026 to be approximately $100 million.
Now that we are well into the process of integrating Hearthstone, we're exploring additional revenue growth options available to Five Point. We're currently evaluating middle duration opportunities in the land ecosystem in order to grow a durable platform for the future. While I can't provide further information at this juncture, our management team is focused on leveraging our experience, balance sheet, and capital relationships to pursue opportunities utilizing outside capital partners to create additional fee-based revenue streams using an asset-light approach. We expect to have more to report on these initiatives on future calls. Before I wrap up, let me provide an outlook for 2026. Based on what we have seen today, we expect consolidated net income in 2026 to be approximately $100 million.
Speaker #2: While I can't provide further information at this juncture, our management team is focused on leveraging our experience, balance sheet, and capital relationships to pursue opportunities utilizing outside capital partners to create additional fee-based revenue streams using an asset-light approach.
Speaker #2: We expect to have more to report on these initiatives on future calls. Before I wrap up, let me provide an outlook for 2026. Based on what we have seen today, we expect consolidated net income in 2026 to be approximately $100 million.
Speaker #2: We expect our earnings will be weighted more heavily toward the second half of the year as land sales and fee-based income accelerate. The volume and timing of our planned land sales are largely a reflection of our strategy of matching sales to absorption of homes in our communities in order to optimize land value.
Dan Hedigan: We expect our earnings will be weighted more heavily toward the second half of the year as land sales and fee-based income accelerate. The volume and timing of our planned land sales are largely a reflection of our strategy of matching sales to absorption of homes in our communities in order to optimize land value. Let me conclude by saying how proud I am of what our team accomplished in 2025. We delivered record earnings, strengthened our balance sheet, advanced major entitlements, and expanded our platform in a meaningful way, all while maintaining a disciplined and patient approach to capital deployment. Five Point enters 2026 with exceptional liquidity, a deep pipeline of entitled land, and a broader set of tools to create value across the land development cycle. We believe this positions us well to continue delivering consistent performance and long-term value for our shareholders.
We expect our earnings will be weighted more heavily toward the second half of the year as land sales and fee-based income accelerate. The volume and timing of our planned land sales are largely a reflection of our strategy of matching sales to absorption of homes in our communities in order to optimize land value. Let me conclude by saying how proud I am of what our team accomplished in 2025. We delivered record earnings, strengthened our balance sheet, advanced major entitlements, and expanded our platform in a meaningful way, all while maintaining a disciplined and patient approach to capital deployment. Five Point enters 2026 with exceptional liquidity, a deep pipeline of entitled land, and a broader set of tools to create value across the land development cycle. We believe this positions us well to continue delivering consistent performance and long-term value for our shareholders.
Speaker #2: Let me conclude by saying how proud I am of what our team accomplished in 2025. We delivered record earnings, strengthened our balance sheet, advanced major entitlements, and expanded our platform in a meaningful way.
Speaker #2: All while maintaining a disciplined and patient approach to capital deployment. Five Point enters 2026 with exceptional liquidity, a deep pipeline of entitled land, and a broader set of tools of great value across the land development cycle.
Speaker #2: We believe this positions us well to continue delivering consistent performance and long-term value for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Kim to walk through the financial details and outlook in more depth.
Dan Hedigan: With that, I'll turn it over to Kim to walk through the financial details and outlook in more depth.
With that, I'll turn it over to Kim to walk through the financial details and outlook in more depth.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Dan. As Dan shared, we finished a challenging year strongly and are positioned to effectively bring land in our existing communities to market, grow our Hearthstone land banking platform, and seek other growth opportunities in coming years.
Kim Tobler: Thank you, Dan. As Dan shared, we finished a challenging year strongly, and are positioned to effectively bring land in our existing communities to market, grow our Hearthstone land banking platform, and seek other growth opportunities in coming years. I'm going to review our fourth quarter and annual results for our fiscal year ended December 31, 2025. I will then conclude with some guidance on what we are expecting in 2026. In the fourth quarter, we recognized $58.7 million in net income. This is made up of the following components: We had a $42.5 million industrial land sale at our Valencia community and reported a 31.25% gross margin.
Kim Tobler: Thank you, Dan. As Dan shared, we finished a challenging year strongly, and are positioned to effectively bring land in our existing communities to market, grow our Hearthstone land banking platform, and seek other growth opportunities in coming years. I'm going to review our fourth quarter and annual results for our fiscal year ended December 31, 2025. I will then conclude with some guidance on what we are expecting in 2026. In the fourth quarter, we recognized $58.7 million in net income. This is made up of the following components: We had a $42.5 million industrial land sale at our Valencia community and reported a 31.25% gross margin.
Speaker #2: I'm going to review our fourth quarter and annual results for our fiscal year ended December 31, 2025. I will then conclude with some guidance on what we are expecting in 2026.
Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter, we recognized $58.7 million in net income. This is made up of the following components: we added $42.5 million industrial land sale at our Valencia community and reported a $31.25% gross margin.
Speaker #2: We also had $33 million of management services revenue. $24.6 million associated with our management of the Great Park venture and $21.2 million of which is incentive compensation.
Kim Tobler: We also had $33 million of management services revenue, $24.6 million associated with our management of the Great Park venture, and $21.2 million of which is incentive compensation. Finally, $8.4 million associated with Hearthstone. Our Q4 SG&A was $16 million. We recognized $44.9 million of equity and earnings from our unconsolidated entities, $44.2 million of which was generated by the Great Park venture. The equity and earnings from the Great Park venture resulted from net income of $128.2 million, which was largely attributable to land sales revenue of $181.5 million from closings in the quarter, for which we reported a 75.5% gross margin. Finally, we recognized $8.9 million of tax expense.
We also had $33 million of management services revenue, $24.6 million associated with our management of the Great Park venture, and $21.2 million of which is incentive compensation. Finally, $8.4 million associated with Hearthstone. Our Q4 SG&A was $16 million. We recognized $44.9 million of equity and earnings from our unconsolidated entities, $44.2 million of which was generated by the Great Park venture. The equity and earnings from the Great Park venture resulted from net income of $128.2 million, which was largely attributable to land sales revenue of $181.5 million from closings in the quarter, for which we reported a 75.5% gross margin. Finally, we recognized $8.9 million of tax expense.
Speaker #2: And finally, $8.4 million associated with Hearthstone. Our fourth quarter SG&A was $16 million. We recognized $44.9 million of equity in earnings from our unconsolidated entities.
Speaker #2: $44.2 million of which was generated by the Great Park venture. The equity and earnings from the Great Park venture resulted from net income of $128.2 million which was largely attributable to land sales revenue of $181.5 million from closings in the quarter for which we reported a $75.5% gross margin.
Speaker #2: Finally, we recognized $8.9 million of tax expense. As previously noted by Dan, our results for 2025 improved relative to 2024, demonstrating the impact of the sustained focus in operational discipline we have maintained over the past several years.
Kim Tobler: As previously noted by Dan, our results for 2025 improved relative to 2024, demonstrating the impact of the sustained focus and operational discipline we have maintained over the past several years. For the year 2025, we recognized $183.5 million in net income. That is made up of the following components: Our fourth quarter industrial land sale at Valencia that I previously mentioned. We also had $65.3 million of management services revenue, $53.5 million associated with our management of the Great Park venture, $40 million of that, which is incentive compensation, and $11.8 million associated with Hearthstone's five months of activity. 2025 SG&A was $60.6 million, which was more than 2024 SG&A of $51.2 million. That increase was largely attributable to the Hearthstone acquisition costs-...
As previously noted by Dan, our results for 2025 improved relative to 2024, demonstrating the impact of the sustained focus and operational discipline we have maintained over the past several years. For the year 2025, we recognized $183.5 million in net income. That is made up of the following components: Our fourth quarter industrial land sale at Valencia that I previously mentioned. We also had $65.3 million of management services revenue, $53.5 million associated with our management of the Great Park venture, $40 million of that, which is incentive compensation, and $11.8 million associated with Hearthstone's five months of activity. 2025 SG&A was $60.6 million, which was more than 2024 SG&A of $51.2 million. That increase was largely attributable to the Hearthstone acquisition costs-...
Speaker #2: For the year 2025, we recognized $183.5 million in net income that is made up of the following components: our fourth quarter industrial land sale at Valencia that I previously mentioned; we also had $65.3 million of management services revenue, $53.5 million associated with our management of the Great Park venture, $40 million of that which is incentive compensation.
Speaker #2: And $11.8 million associated with Hearthstone's five months of activity. 2025 SG&A was $60.6 million, which was more than 2024 SG&A of $51.2 million. That increase was largely attributable to the Hearthstone acquisition costs, increased share-based awards granted over the past two years, and performance-based awards reaching established goals.
Kim Tobler: increased share-based awards granted over the past two years, and performance-based awards reaching established goals. We recognized $203.6 million of equity and earnings from our unconsolidated entities, largely made up of $201.3 million from the Great Park venture. The equity and earnings from the Great Park venture was attributable to Five Point's share of the venture's net income of $584.5 million, which was derived from revenues of $825.7 million. Additionally, we recognized $28.9 million in tax expense.
increased share-based awards granted over the past two years, and performance-based awards reaching established goals. We recognized $203.6 million of equity and earnings from our unconsolidated entities, largely made up of $201.3 million from the Great Park venture. The equity and earnings from the Great Park venture was attributable to Five Point's share of the venture's net income of $584.5 million, which was derived from revenues of $825.7 million. Additionally, we recognized $28.9 million in tax expense.
Speaker #2: We recognize two hundred and three point six million dollars of equity and earnings from our unconsolidated entities largely made up of $201.3 million from the Great Park venture.
Speaker #2: The equity and earnings from the Great Park venture was attributable to $5.0 share of the venture's net income of $584.5 million, which was derived from revenues of $825.7 million.
Speaker #2: Additionally, we recognized $28.9 million of tax expense. In addition to what Dan shared about our cash and liquidity, I also want to add that at the end of the year, our debt to total capitalization was down to $16.3% compared to $9.6% at the end of 2024.
Kim Tobler: In addition to what Dan shared about our cash and liquidity, I also want to add that at the end of the year, our debt to total capitalization was down to 16.3%, compared to 9.6% at the end of 2024. Now, a few words about our Hearthstone operations. As Dan mentioned, we ended the year with approximately $3.4 billion of assets under management, which is tracking with what we had expected. In Q4, Hearthstone generated revenue of $8.4 million and net income of $3 million. For the five months of 2025 that Hearthstone was part of Five Point, it generated revenue of $11.8 million and net income of $3.9 million.
In addition to what Dan shared about our cash and liquidity, I also want to add that at the end of the year, our debt to total capitalization was down to 16.3%, compared to 9.6% at the end of 2024. Now, a few words about our Hearthstone operations. As Dan mentioned, we ended the year with approximately $3.4 billion of assets under management, which is tracking with what we had expected. In Q4, Hearthstone generated revenue of $8.4 million and net income of $3 million. For the five months of 2025 that Hearthstone was part of Five Point, it generated revenue of $11.8 million and net income of $3.9 million.
Speaker #2: Now, a few words about our Hearthstone operations. As Dan mentioned, we ended the year with approximately $3.4 billion of assets under management, which is tracking with what we had expected.
Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter, Hearthstone generated revenue of $8.4 million and net income of $3 million. For the five months of 2025 that Hearthstone was part of Five Point, it generated revenue of $11.8 million and net income of $3.9 million.
Speaker #2: I'd like to note that included in the calculating that income was intangible asset amortization associated with the purchase of county, of approximately $800,000. We were expecting to exceed $4 billion of assets under management before the end of 2026 and expect revenue and net income to grow commensurately.
Kim Tobler: I'd like to note that included in the in calculating that income was intangible asset amortization associated with the purchase accounting of approximately $800,000. We are expecting to exceed $4 billion of assets under management before the end of 2026 and expect revenue and net income to grow commensurately. Last year, I recounted the financial progress that Five Point had made since 2022. I'd like to review that again while including our 2025 results. At the end of 2022, we reported a $34.8 million net loss and finished the year with $131.8 million of cash and senior notes outstanding of $625 million.
I'd like to note that included in the in calculating that income was intangible asset amortization associated with the purchase accounting of approximately $800,000. We are expecting to exceed $4 billion of assets under management before the end of 2026 and expect revenue and net income to grow commensurately. Last year, I recounted the financial progress that Five Point had made since 2022. I'd like to review that again while including our 2025 results. At the end of 2022, we reported a $34.8 million net loss and finished the year with $131.8 million of cash and senior notes outstanding of $625 million.
Speaker #2: Last year, I recounted the financial progress that Five Point had made since 2022. I'd like to review that again while including our 2025 results.
Speaker #2: At the end of 2022, we reported a $34.8 million net loss and finished the year with $131.8 million of cash and senior notes outstanding of $625 million.
Speaker #2: For 2023, we reported $113.7 million of net income and finished the year with $353.8 million in cash and senior notes still of $625 million.
Kim Tobler: For 2023, we reported $113.7 million of net income and finished the year with $353.8 million in cash and senior notes still of $625 million. For 2024, we reported $177.6 million in net income. We paid our senior notes down by $100 million to a balance of $525 million and ended the year with $430.9 million of cash and total liquidity of $555.9 million. This year, we are reporting $183.5 million in net income.
For 2023, we reported $113.7 million of net income and finished the year with $353.8 million in cash and senior notes still of $625 million. For 2024, we reported $177.6 million in net income. We paid our senior notes down by $100 million to a balance of $525 million and ended the year with $430.9 million of cash and total liquidity of $555.9 million. This year, we are reporting $183.5 million in net income.
Speaker #2: For 2024, we reported $177.6 million in net income, we paid our senior notes down by $100 million, to a balance of $525 million. And ended the year with $430.9 million of cash and total liquidity of $555.9 million, $555.9 million.
Speaker #2: This year, we are reporting $183.5 million in net income, we paid our senior notes down by an additional $75 million, to a balance of $450 million, and are now ending the year with $425.5 million of cash and total liquidity of $643 million.
Kim Tobler: We paid our senior notes down by an additional $75 million to a balance of $450 million, and are now ending the year with $425.5 million of cash and total liquidity of $643 million. We are confident in the actions we have taken to strengthen our financial condition, as well as the successes we have recently reported with additional entitlements at The Great Park and Valencia. I'd like to conclude by giving some context to the guidance that Dan shared in his remarks. At the beginning of 2026, we have a total of approximately 155 net acres of residential land remaining at The Great Park.
We paid our senior notes down by an additional $75 million to a balance of $450 million, and are now ending the year with $425.5 million of cash and total liquidity of $643 million. We are confident in the actions we have taken to strengthen our financial condition, as well as the successes we have recently reported with additional entitlements at The Great Park and Valencia. I'd like to conclude by giving some context to the guidance that Dan shared in his remarks. At the beginning of 2026, we have a total of approximately 155 net acres of residential land remaining at The Great Park.
Speaker #2: We are confident in the actions we have taken to strengthen our financial condition, as well as the successes we have recently reported with additional entitlements at the Great Park and Valencia.
Speaker #2: I'd like to conclude by giving some context to the guidance that Dan shared in his remarks. At the beginning of 2026, we have a total of approximately 155 net acres of residential land remaining at the Great Park.
Speaker #2: We also have approximately $55 net acres of residential land, 11 net acres of retail land, and 13 net acres of industrial land available at Valencia.
Kim Tobler: We also have approximately 55 net acres of residential land, 11 net acres of retail land, and 13 net acres of industrial land available in Valencia. These numbers do not include the recently approved entitlements at Entrada South and Valencia Commerce Center that Dan mentioned. We expect to start generating sales from these recently approved entitlements early in 2028. In 2026, we currently expect to sell 20 acres of land in Valencia and 50 acres of land in The Great Park. These sales, together with the contribution of the Hearthstone activities, is expected to result in approximately $100 million of net income for 2026.
We also have approximately 55 net acres of residential land, 11 net acres of retail land, and 13 net acres of industrial land available in Valencia. These numbers do not include the recently approved entitlements at Entrada South and Valencia Commerce Center that Dan mentioned. We expect to start generating sales from these recently approved entitlements early in 2028. In 2026, we currently expect to sell 20 acres of land in Valencia and 50 acres of land in The Great Park. These sales, together with the contribution of the Hearthstone activities, is expected to result in approximately $100 million of net income for 2026.
Speaker #2: These numbers do not include the recently approved entitlements at Entrada South and Valencia Commerce Center that Dan mentioned. We expect to start generating sales from these recently approved entitlements early in 2028.
Speaker #2: In 2026, we currently expect to sell 20 acres of land in Valencia, and 50 acres of land in the Great Park. These sales together with the contribution of the Hearthstone activities is expected to result in approximately $100 million of net income for 2026.
Speaker #2: We expect the majority of the income to be earned in the second half of the year, and are expecting a small loss in the first quarter of the year since we are not planning to close land sales in that quarter.
Kim Tobler: We expect the majority of the income to be earned in the second half of the year and are expecting a small loss in Q1 since we are not planning to close land sales in that quarter. In closing, our guidance reflects a challenging housing market, and our strategy remains focused on discipline. By aligning land sales with home absorption, we are projecting, protecting value, managing risk, and positioning the business for normalized demand over time. We believe this approach balances near-term caution with long-term opportunity. With that, let me turn it back to the operator, who will now open it up for questions.
We expect the majority of the income to be earned in the second half of the year and are expecting a small loss in Q1 since we are not planning to close land sales in that quarter. In closing, our guidance reflects a challenging housing market, and our strategy remains focused on discipline. By aligning land sales with home absorption, we are projecting, protecting value, managing risk, and positioning the business for normalized demand over time. We believe this approach balances near-term caution with long-term opportunity. With that, let me turn it back to the operator, who will now open it up for questions.
Speaker #2: In closing, our guidance reflects a challenging housing market, and our strategy remains focused on discipline. By aligning land sales with home absorption, we are projecting protecting value, managing risk, and positioning the business for normalized demand over time.
Speaker #2: We believe this approach balances near-term caution with long-term opportunity. With that, let me turn it back to the operator, who will now open it up for questions.
Speaker #2: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
Operator: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from Alan Ratner with Zelman and Associates. You may proceed with your question.
Operator: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from Alan Ratner with Zelman and Associates. You may proceed with your question.
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Speaker #2: For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from Alan Ratner with Zelman & Associates.
Speaker #2: You may proceed with your question.
Speaker #3: Hey, guys. Good afternoon, and congrats on all the progress in 2025. Really, really impressive results in a tough market, tough housing market at least.
Alan Ratner: Hey, guys. Good afternoon, and congrats on all the progress in 2025. Really, really impressive results in a tough market, tough housing market, at least. So a lot to run through. I guess just thinking about 2026, and appreciate the guidance there, especially on the revenue and the income generation. I'm just curious, you know, when you think of your-
Alan Ratner: Hey, guys. Good afternoon, and congrats on all the progress in 2025. Really, really impressive results in a tough market, tough housing market, at least. So a lot to run through. I guess just thinking about 2026, and appreciate the guidance there, especially on the revenue and the income generation. I'm just curious, you know, when you think of your-
Speaker #3: So, a lot to run through. I guess just thinking about ’26, and appreciate the guidance there, especially on the revenue and the income generation.
Speaker #3: I'm just curious—when you think of your... Can you hear me okay?
Kim Tobler: Alan, we lost you. You're going to need to repeat the question.
Kim Tobler: Alan, we lost you. You're going to need to repeat the question.
Speaker #4: Can you hear me now, guys? Hello? Hello, hello?
Alan Ratner: Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me now, guys? Hello? Hello, hello.
Alan Ratner: Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me now, guys? Hello? Hello, hello.
Kim Tobler: Hello.
Kim Tobler: Hello.
Kim Tobler: We couldn't hear Alan.
Alan Ratner: Hello?
Alan Ratner: Hello?
Kim Tobler: We couldn't hear Alan.
Speaker #4: Hello? Hello.
Speaker #5: We couldn't hear Alan.
Speaker #4: Can you hear me
Alan Ratner: Can you hear me now?
Alan Ratner: Can you hear me now?
Speaker #4: now? Hear you, but we could not
Kim Tobler: Hear you, but we could not hear Alan. Was that Alan? Alan, is that you?
Kim Tobler: Hear you, but we could not hear Alan. Was that Alan? Alan, is that you?
Speaker #5: Alan. What was that, Alan? Alan, is that you? Are you here?
Operator: Alan, Alan, can you hear the speakers?
Operator: Alan, Alan, can you hear the speakers?
Speaker #2: Alan, can you hear the
Speaker #2: speakers? I can hear the
Alan Ratner: I can hear the speakers. Can, can you hear me?
Alan Ratner: I can hear the speakers. Can, can you hear me?
Speaker #4: speakers. Can you hear
Speaker #4: me? Can you hear you now, Alan? Okay. Sorry about that. I don't know what happened, so I will start over. And first off, just congratulating you guys on all the great progress you made in '25.
Kim Tobler: We hear you now, Alan.
Kim Tobler: We hear you now, Alan.
Alan Ratner: Okay, sorry about that. I don't know what happened. So I will start over. And first off, just congratulating you guys on all the great progress you made in 2025. So you know what I was hoping to get, and I appreciate the guidance on the income drivers for 2026. When you look, I guess, specifically at the two wholly owned projects, Valencia and San Francisco, I was hoping you could walk through a little bit what the expectation is for development expenditures in 2026 and beyond. I know you mentioned the new entitlements on Valencia, so curious if we should expect to see a ramp in development spending there.
Alan Ratner: Okay, sorry about that. I don't know what happened. So I will start over. And first off, just congratulating you guys on all the great progress you made in 2025. So you know what I was hoping to get, and I appreciate the guidance on the income drivers for 2026. When you look, I guess, specifically at the two wholly owned projects, Valencia and San Francisco, I was hoping you could walk through a little bit what the expectation is for development expenditures in 2026 and beyond. I know you mentioned the new entitlements on Valencia, so curious if we should expect to see a ramp in development spending there.
Speaker #4: So what I was hoping to get, and I appreciate the guidance on the income drivers for '26, when you look, I guess, specifically at the two wholly-owned projects, Valencia and San Francisco, I was hoping you could walk through a little bit what the expectation is for development expenditures in '26 and beyond.
Speaker #4: I know you mentioned the new entitlements on Valencia, so I'm curious if we should expect to see a ramp in development spending there. And in San Francisco as well, if you can kind of quantify the ramp there now that you're expecting to begin some work there.
Alan Ratner: In San Francisco as well, if you can kind of quantify the ramp there now that you're expecting to begin some work there. Thank you.
In San Francisco as well, if you can kind of quantify the ramp there now that you're expecting to begin some work there. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank
Speaker #4: you. Yeah.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Alan. Just as it relates to San Francisco, we're in the process of permitting right now, which isn't requiring a great deal of capital.
Kim Tobler: Yeah, thanks, Alan. Just as it relates to San Francisco, we're in the process of permitting right now, which is requiring a great deal of capital. And we also have a permitting that's gonna be done at Valencia as well. What I'd suggest you use is for both of those projects about the same as the capital we spent in the current year, which is about $125 million. So that will be spread between the projects and continue at that pace. We're trying to keep that pace constant as we increase the development in both places.
Kim Tobler: Yeah, thanks, Alan. Just as it relates to San Francisco, we're in the process of permitting right now, which is requiring a great deal of capital. And we also have a permitting that's gonna be done at Valencia as well. What I'd suggest you use is for both of those projects about the same as the capital we spent in the current year, which is about $125 million. So that will be spread between the projects and continue at that pace. We're trying to keep that pace constant as we increase the development in both places.
Speaker #5: And we also have permitting that's going to be done at Valencia as well. What I'd suggest you use is, for both of those projects, about the same as the capital we spent in the current year, which is about $125 million, so that will be spread between the projects and continue at that pace.
Speaker #5: We're trying to keep that pace constant as we increase the development in both places.
Speaker #3: Got it. That's helpful. And then I think I just want to make sure I'm understanding the entitlement approvals that you guys got. You walked through the Valencia one.
Alan Ratner: Got it. That's helpful. And then I think I just wanna make sure I'm understanding the entitlement approvals that you guys got. You walked through the Valencia one. I think you also have a reference to approvals in Great Park as well, and I wasn't sure, is that additive to the acreage that you guys have previously disclosed as far as what remains sellable in Great Park? Or is that just part of the remaining-
Alan Ratner: Got it. That's helpful. And then I think I just wanna make sure I'm understanding the entitlement approvals that you guys got. You walked through the Valencia one. I think you also have a reference to approvals in Great Park as well, and I wasn't sure, is that additive to the acreage that you guys have previously disclosed as far as what remains sellable in Great Park? Or is that just part of the remaining-
Speaker #3: I think you also have a reference to approvals in Great Park as well. And I wasn't sure, is that additive to the acreage that you guys have previously disclosed as far as what remains saleable in Great Park, or is that just part of the remaining?
Speaker #3: I think you also have a reference to approvals in Great Park as well. And I wasn't sure, is that additive to the acreage that you guys have previously disclosed as far as what remains saleable in Great Park, or is that just part of the remaining?
Dan Hedigan: Alan, Dan, Dan here. Can you hear me?
Dan Hedigan: Alan, Dan, Dan here. Can you hear me?
Speaker #5: Dan, here. Can you hear me?
Speaker #3: I can. Yes. I can hear
Alan Ratner: I can, yes. I can hear you.
Alan Ratner: I can, yes. I can hear you.
Speaker #3: you. Alan
Operator: Alan says he can hear you.
Operator: Alan says he can hear you.
Speaker #2: says he can hear
Speaker #2: you. Alan, can you
Dan Hedigan: Alan, can you hear me?
Dan Hedigan: Alan, can you hear me?
Speaker #5: hear
Speaker #5: me? Yes, I can hear
Alan Ratner: Yes, I can hear you.
Alan Ratner: Yes, I can hear you.
Speaker #5: Okay. You—so Alan, are you there? We're having a little audio problem here. I see you now. Okay. On your question on—I think I heard most of your question on Great Park.
Dan Hedigan: Okay, Alan, so-
Dan Hedigan: Okay, Alan, so-
Alan Ratner: Yes.
Alan Ratner: Yes.
Dan Hedigan: Alan, are you there? We're having a little audio-
Dan Hedigan: Alan, are you there? We're having a little audio-
Alan Ratner: I am
Alan Ratner: I am
Dan Hedigan: Problem here, I see. Okay. On your question on... I think I, I heard most of your question on Great Park. So Great Park-
Dan Hedigan: Problem here, I see. Okay. On your question on... I think I, I heard most of your question on Great Park. So Great Park-
Speaker #5: So Great Park, I think we've been talking about it. We have 100 acres of land that was identified for commercial uses. But we have worked with the city because they were also identified in their RENA plan, the sites were identified for RENA units.
Alan Ratner: Yeah
Alan Ratner: Yeah
Dan Hedigan: ... I think we've been talking about it. You know, we have 100 acres of land that was identified for commercial uses, but we have worked with the city because they were also identified in their RHNA. These sites were identified for RHNA units, so we have actually worked with them to convert that commercial to residential uses. So that is, I think you're asking, that's really additive to anything we had before.
Dan Hedigan: ... I think we've been talking about it. You know, we have 100 acres of land that was identified for commercial uses, but we have worked with the city because they were also identified in their RHNA. These sites were identified for RHNA units, so we have actually worked with them to convert that commercial to residential uses. So that is, I think you're asking, that's really additive to anything we had before.
Speaker #5: So, we have actually worked with them to convert that commercial to residential uses. So, that is—I think you're asking—that's really additive to anything we had before.
Speaker #3: Got it. So it was 100 acres, and now you're up to what? You said 150 based on this new
Alan Ratner: Got it. So it was 100 acres, and now you're, you're up to what? You said 150, based on this new approval?
Alan Ratner: Got it. So it was 100 acres, and now you're, you're up to what? You said 150, based on this new approval?
Speaker #3: approval? I'm sorry,
Dan Hedigan: I'm sorry, I missed part. I missed part of that, Alan.
Dan Hedigan: I'm sorry, I missed part. I missed part of that, Alan.
Speaker #5: I missed part of that, Alan.
Speaker #3: You were at 100 acres, and now with this RENA approval, you're at 150. Is that correct?
Alan Ratner: You were at 100 acres, and now with this arena approval, you're at 150. Is that correct?
Alan Ratner: You were at 100 acres, and now with this arena approval, you're at 150. Is that correct?
Speaker #5: No, actually, I'm sorry. Yeah. So what that is when we have land that we have we have existing residential land that we have not transacted on.
Dan Hedigan: No, actually, what—I'm sorry. Yeah. So what that is when, you know, we have, we have land that we have. We have existing residential land that we have not transacted on. So, you know, we still have additional, our original entitlement. The 100 are additive to that. And so it can-
Dan Hedigan: No, actually, what—I'm sorry. Yeah. So what that is when, you know, we have, we have land that we have. We have existing residential land that we have not transacted on. So, you know, we still have additional, our original entitlement. The 100 are additive to that. And so it can-
Speaker #5: So we still have additional original entitlement. The 100 are additive to that. And—
Speaker #5: so Kim, let's see. I see. Alan, just to be clear, we have 155 acres left at the Great Park. The 55 was already residential.
Alan Ratner: I see.
Alan Ratner: I see.
Kim Tobler: Alan, but just, just to be clear, we have 155 acres left at the Great Park. The 55 was already residential, and that's what was left of the residential that we were working our way through. The 100 was commercial land that has now been redesignated as residential as a result of the entitlements.
Kim Tobler: Alan, but just, just to be clear, we have 155 acres left at the Great Park. The 55 was already residential, and that's what was left of the residential that we were working our way through. The 100 was commercial land that has now been redesignated as residential as a result of the entitlements.
Speaker #5: And that's what was left of the residential that we were working our way through. The 100 was commercial land that is now been redesignated as residential.
Speaker #5: As a result of the entitlements.
Speaker #3: Got it. Okay. No, that's perfectly clear. I appreciate that, and I will move it on. Thank you.
Alan Ratner: Got it. Okay. No, that's perfectly clear. I appreciate that, and I will, moving on. Thank you, guys.
Alan Ratner: Got it. Okay. No, that's perfectly clear. I appreciate that, and I will, moving on. Thank you, guys.
Speaker #3: guys. Thanks,
Dan Hedigan: Thanks, Alan.
Dan Hedigan: Thanks, Alan.
Speaker #2: There are no further Alan questions at this time. That concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Dan Hedigan for closing comments.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. That concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Dan Hedigan for closing comments.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. That concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Dan Hedigan for closing comments.
Speaker #6: Well, first, I apologize for that audio problem we're having. So I appreciate everyone's patience. On behalf of our management team, we thank you for joining us on today's call.
Dan Hedigan: Well, first, I apologize for that audio problem we're having, so, appreciate everyone's patience. On behalf of our management team, we thank you for joining us on today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter.
Dan Hedigan: Well, first, I apologize for that audio problem we're having, so, appreciate everyone's patience. On behalf of our management team, we thank you for joining us on today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter.
Speaker #6: And we look forward to speaking with you next.
Speaker #6: And we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Ladies and
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