Q4 2025 Koil Energy Solutions Inc Earnings Call

March 31, 2026

Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Koil Energy Solutions, Inc.'s Q4 and Full Year 2025 Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, you will be invited to participate in a question and answer session. As a reminder, this call is being re-recorded today, Tuesday, 31 March 2026. A detailed disclaimer related to Koil Energy Solutions, Inc.'s forward-looking statements is included in the press release issued Monday morning and filed with the SEC. It is also available on the company's website, koilenergy.com, or upon request. A reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures used in the press release and on today's call is included in the press release and on the website. Listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date made.

Operator: Good morning, ladies, and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Koil Energy Solutions, Inc.'s Q4 and Full Year 2025 Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, you will be invited to participate in a question and answer session. As a reminder, this call is being re-recorded today, Tuesday, 31 March 2026.

Speaker #2: After the speaker's remarks, you will be invited to participate in a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, Tuesday, March 31, 2026.

Operator: A detailed disclaimer related to Koil Energy Solutions, Inc.'s forward-looking statements is included in the press release issued Monday morning and filed with the SEC. It is also available on the company's website, koilenergy.com, or upon request. A reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures used in the press release and on today's call is included in the press release and on the website. Listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date made. Koil Energy also undertakes no obligation to revise any of its forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date made. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to CEO, Erik Wiik.

Speaker #2: A detailed disclaimer related to Koil Energy's forward-looking statements is included in the press release issued Monday morning and filed with the SEC. It is also available on the company's website, koilenergy.com, or upon request.

Speaker #2: A reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures used in the press release and on today's call is included in the press release and on the website.

Speaker #2: Listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements which speak only as of the date made. Koil Energy also undertakes no obligation to revise any of its forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date made.

Operator: Koil Energy also undertakes no obligation to revise any of its forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date made. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to CEO, Erik Wiik.

Speaker #2: At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to CEO Eric Veik. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. In this briefing, I'll be presenting an overview of our financial performance for the fourth quarter and the entire year of 2025.

Erik Wiik: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. In this briefing, I'll be presenting an overview of our financial performance for Q4 and the entire year of 2025. I will also share an update on our strategic roadmap and discuss how Koil Energy is positioned for further growth. Finally, I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. I'm incredibly proud of the Koil Energy team for delivering an outstanding quarter and achieving a new milestone in our growth journey. In Q4, we achieved a revenue of $7.3 million and EBITDA of $700,000, resulting in a 10% margin. This represents a 22% year-over-year increase in quarterly revenue and 14% sequential growth from Q3 of 2025. Koil Energy is growing again.

Speaker #2: I'll also share an update on our strategic roadmap and discuss how Koil Energy is positioned for further growth. Finally, I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.

Speaker #2: I'm incredibly proud of the Koil Energy team for delivering an outstanding quarter and achieving a new milestone in our growth journey. In the fourth quarter, we achieved a revenue of $7.3 million and EBITDA of $700,000, resulting in a 10% margin.

Speaker #2: This represents a 22% year-over-year increase in quarterly revenue. And 14% sequential growth from the third quarter of 2025. Koil Energy's growing again. For the full year 2025, we achieved revenue of $24 million.

Erik Wiik: For the full year 2025, we achieved revenue of $24 million, marking a 6% year-over-year increase. Adjusted EBITDA was $1 million in 2025 compared to $3.5 million in 2024. The reduction was driven by investments tied to our growth initiatives. Koil remained focused on long-term growth by deploying free cash flow to acquire new rental equipment, fund growth-related expenses, including development of intellectual property, the establishment of our Brazil operations, and bidding activity that supports our international sales pipeline. These investments are already delivering positive growth results. With that overview, I'll now turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Kurt Keller.

Speaker #2: Marking a 6% year-over-year increase. Adjusted EBITDA was $1 million in 2025 compared to $3.5 million in 2024. The reduction was driven by investments tied to our growth initiatives.

Speaker #2: Koil remained focused on long-term growth by deploying free cash flow to acquire new rental equipment, fund growth-related expenses including development of intellectual property, the establishment of our Brazil operations, and bidding activity that supports our international sales pipeline.

Speaker #2: These investments are already delivering positive growth results. And with that overview, I'll now turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Curt Keller.

Kurt Keller: Thank you, Erik. Let me walk through our Q4 results in more detail. For the three months ended 31 December 2025, Koil Energy generated revenues of $7.3 million, a 22% increase compared to revenues of $5.9 million the same period last year. Gross profit for the quarter totaled $2.5 million or 35% of revenue, representing a 5% increase in gross profit compared to $2.4 million or 41% of revenues in the Q4 2024. The decline in margin reflects the shift in revenue mix and volume. Sequentially, quarter over quarter, gross margin improved from 32% of sales to 35%. Selling, general, and administrative expenses during the quarter equaled $2.1 million.

Kurt Keller: Thank you, Erik. Let me walk through our Q4 results in more detail. For the three months ended 31 December 2025, Koil Energy generated revenues of $7.3 million, a 22% increase compared to revenues of $5.9 million the same period last year. Gross profit for the quarter totaled $2.5 million or 35% of revenue, representing a 5% increase in gross profit compared to $2.4 million or 41% of revenues in the Q4 2024. The decline in margin reflects the shift in revenue mix and volume. Sequentially, quarter-over-quarter, gross margin improved from 32% of sales to 35%. Selling, general, and administrative expenses during the quarter equaled $2.1 million.

Speaker #3: Thank you, Eric. Let me walk through our fourth quarter results in more detail.

Speaker #1: A detail for the three months ended December 31st , 2025 . Coil energy generated revenues of $7.3 million , a 22% increase compared to revenues of $5.9 million for the same period last year .

Speaker #1: Gross profit for the quarter totaled $2.5 million , or 35% of revenue , representing a 5% increase in gross profit compared to $2.4 million , or 41% of revenues , in the fourth quarter of 2020 .

Speaker #1: For the decline in margin reflects the shift in revenue mix and volume sequentially quarter over quarter , gross margin improved from 32% of sales to 35% , selling , general and administrative expenses during the quarter equaled $2.1 million .

Kurt Keller: The increase was largely driven by increased sales efforts and legal assistance with patents, master service agreements, and international contracts. Moving to net income, we reported a gain of $370,000 for Q4, which translates to $0.03 earnings per diluted share. This compared to net income of $541,000, or $0.04 per diluted share, recorded in Q4 of 2024. This reduction in earnings reflected higher SG&A expenses. The full year's financials reflected a 6% increase in revenue, driven by a 45% increase in service revenue. The relatively modest overall growth was primarily due to a slump in fixed-price contract revenues in H1 of the year. Gross margin increased steadily throughout the year from 32% to 35%.

Speaker #1: The increase was largely driven by increased sales efforts and legal assistance with patents . Master service agreements and international contracts Moving to net income , we reported a gain of $370,000 for the fourth quarter , which translates to a $0.03 earnings per diluted share .

Speaker #1: This compared to net income of $541,000 , or $0.04 per diluted share , recorded in the fourth quarter of 2020 . For . This reduction in earnings reflected higher G&A expenses .

Speaker #1: The full year financials reflected a 6% increase in revenue , driven by a 45% increase in service revenue The relatively modest overall growth was primarily due to a slump in fixed price contract revenues in the first half of the year Gross margin increased steadily throughout the year , from 32% to 35% .

Kurt Keller: The gross margin for the full year was 33%, down from 39% in 2024. This was driven by increased direct overhead as a result of 15% higher headcount levels and lower labor utilization during H1 2025. Selling, General, and Administrative expenses were $8.3 million for the year, compared to $6.2 million incurred during the previous year. EBITDA for the year was $960,000, which was $2.6 million lower than in 2024. The reduction reflects $1.3 million in expenses related to our growth initiatives, with $680,000 resulting from higher headcount levels and lower utilization in H1 2025, and a $570,000 receivable write-down, which we are actively pursuing through legal action.

Speaker #1: The gross margin for the full year was 33% , down from 39% in 2020 . Four . This was driven by increased direct overhead .

Speaker #1: As a result of 15% higher headcount levels and lower labor utilization during the first half of 2025 . Selling , general and administrative expenses were $8.3 million for the year , compared to 6.2 million incurred during the previous year .

Speaker #1: EBITDA for the year was $960,000 , which was 2.6 million lower than in 2020 . For the reduction reflects $1.3 million in expenses related to our growth initiatives , with 680,000 resulting from higher headcount levels and lower utilization in the first half of 2025 .

Speaker #1: And a 570,000 receivable write down , which we are actively pursuing through legal action This led to a break . Even earnings per share , compared to $0.22 per share .

Kurt Keller: This led to break-even earnings per share compared to $0.22 per share the previous year. Turning to our balance sheet, as of December 31, 2025, we reported $4.8 million in working capital, including $1.5 million in cash and $4.7 million in net receivables. This compares to $5.7 million in working capital at year-end 2024, with $3.4 million in cash and $2.8 million in net receivables.

Speaker #1: The previous year Turning to our balance sheet , as of December 31st , 2025 , we reported $4.8 million in working capital , including $1.5 million in cash and $4.7 million in net receivables This compares to $5.7 million in working capital at year end 2020 .

Speaker #1: Fourth, with $3.4 million in cash and $2.8 million in net receivables. The shift is primarily due to the timing of billing and collections tied to fixed price contract milestones.

Kurt Keller: The shift is primarily due to the timing of billing and collections tied to fixed price contract milestones. Before I hand the call back over to Erik, I want to briefly acknowledge that while 2025 was not the year we had hoped for, the significant improvements throughout the year that led to a great Q4 demonstrate the ability of the Koil team to carefully manage our growth journey. During 2025, we restructured and strengthened the finance team and successfully implemented NetSuite as our new ERP system. Our focus remains on profitable growth, disciplined execution, and scaling investments appropriately. Thank you.

Speaker #1: Before I hand the call back over to Eric, I want to briefly acknowledge that, while 2025 was not the year we had hoped for, the significant improvements throughout the year that led to a great fourth quarter demonstrate the ability of the Koil team to carefully manage our growth journey during 2025.

Speaker #1: We restructured and strengthened the finance team and successfully implemented NetSuite as their new ERP system. Our focus remains on profitable growth, disciplined execution, and scaling investments appropriately. Thank you.

Erik Wiik: Thank you, Kurt. My congratulations to the men and women of Koil Energy, and particularly our sales team, delivering a record order intake in 2025, and our service team, who delivered a 45% annual growth in service revenue. The culture of Koil Energy can be described as exceptional responsiveness and safe workmanship. This is our business DNA. Speed and collaboration are cornerstones of our work culture. Our clients continue to entrust us with critical project awards. For instance, during the year, we installed over 70 Multi-Quick Connect plates for Beacon Offshore Energy at its Shenandoah Deepwater field in the Gulf of Mexico. We secured a significant contract to supply steel tube flying leads and associated equipment for a project in the Gulf of Mexico. We also announced the award of a significant contract for control equipment for a subsea isolation valve system.

Speaker #2: Thank you Kurt I congratulations to the men and women of Coil Energy and particularly our sales team delivering a record order intake in 2025 .

Speaker #2: And our service team, who delivered a 45% annual growth in service revenue. The cultured coil can be described as exceptional responsiveness and safe workmanship.

Speaker #2: This is our business DNA: speed and collaboration are cornerstones of our work culture. Our clients continue to entrust us with critical project awards.

Erik Wiik: For instance, during the year, we installed over 70 Multi-Quick Connect plates for Beacon Offshore Energy at its Shenandoah Deepwater field in the Gulf of Mexico. We secured a significant contract to supply steel tube flying leads and associated equipment for a project in the Gulf of Mexico. We also announced the award of a significant contract for control equipment for a subsea isolation valve system.

Speaker #2: For instance, during the year we installed over 70 multi quick connector plates for Beacon Offshore Energy at its Shenandoah Deepwater Field in the Gulf of America.

Speaker #2: We secured a significant contract to supply steel to flying leads and associated equipment for a project in the Gulf of America . We also announced the award of a significant contract for control equipment for a subsea isolation valve system Earlier in the year , we won a significant contract to supply multiple connector plates for a high pressure system in the Gulf of America Although we secured numerous smaller contracts on a weekly basis , it is a significant and major awards that drive our growth .

Erik Wiik: Earlier in the year, we won a significant contract to supply Multi-Quick Connect plates for a high-pressure system in the Gulf of Mexico. Although we secure numerous smaller contracts on a weekly basis, it is the significant and major awards that drive our growth. We are very excited for our future. In 2026, our team will remain focused on growing the company and delivering on our growth strategy. The consensus among our customers is that global energy demand continues to rise. Deepwater fields naturally decline at an average rate of 7% per year, underscoring the urgency for new development just to maintain current output. From our perspective, we're seeing global operators allocate more capital towards deepwater and ultra-deepwater developments, particularly in Brazil, the US, and West Africa. Subsea tieback developments continue to gain momentum as a preferred approach among offshore operators.

Speaker #2: We are very excited for our future in 2026. Our team will remain focused on growing the company and delivering on our growth strategy.

Speaker #2: The consensus among our customers is that global energy demand continues to rise. Deepwater fields naturally decline at an average rate of 7% per year, underscoring the urgency for new development.

Erik Wiik: Deepwater fields naturally decline at an average rate of 7% per year, underscoring the urgency for new development just to maintain current output. From our perspective, we're seeing global operators allocate more capital towards deepwater and ultra-deepwater developments, particularly in Brazil, the US, and West Africa. Subsea tieback developments continue to gain momentum as a preferred approach among offshore operators.

Speaker #2: Just to maintain current output from our perspective, we're seeing global operators allocate more capital towards deepwater and ultra-deepwater developments, particularly in Brazil.

Speaker #2: The US and West Africa subsea tieback developments continue to gain momentum as a preferred approach among offshore operators. These projects allow operators to access nearby reservoirs, utilize available topside capacity, and leverage existing subsea infrastructure.

Erik Wiik: These projects allow operators to access nearby reservoirs, utilize available topside capacity, and leverage existing subsea infrastructure. A key advantage of subsea tieback developments is the potential for shorter payback periods than traditional greenfield projects. Leveraging existing assets, these projects frequently have the potential to achieve first oil within two years of final investment decision. Proven practical design backed by a deep team experience in subsea development and commissioning plays a critical role in ensuring reliability and staying on schedule. Koil Energy is in a uniquely strong position to win subsea tieback projects. Bidding activity and order intake for subsea tieback projects continued to increase throughout the year. During 2025, we have continued to invest in new talent and additional assets to support our long-term growth strategy.

Speaker #2: A key advantage of subsea tieback developments is the potential for shorter payback periods than traditional greenfield projects, leveraging existing assets. These projects frequently have the potential to achieve first oil within two years of final investment decision.

Speaker #2: Proven practical design, backed by a deep team experience in subsea development and commissioning, plays a critical role in ensuring reliability and staying on schedule. Koil Energy is in a uniquely strong position to win subsea tieback projects. Bidding activity and order intake for subsea tieback projects continued to increase throughout the year during 2025.

Speaker #2: We have continued to invest in new talent and additional assets to support our long-term growth strategy. We remain disciplined in balancing profitability with investment and are confident that our expanded capabilities position us well to execute on our growing backlog. We remain focused on our strategic objective to become the leading provider of integrated subsea distribution systems and services globally. One indication of subsea activity is the number of subsea trees awarded and later installed for both greenfields and brownfields. Industry analysts, such as Westwood Global Energy Group on March 6, 2026, reported an expected increase from 247 subsea tree awards in 2025 to 296 awards in 2026.

Erik Wiik: We remain disciplined in balancing profitability with investment and are confident that our expanded capabilities position us well to execute on our growing backlog. We remain focused on our strategic objective to becoming the leading provider of integrated subsea distribution systems and services globally. One indication of subsea activity is the number of subsea trees awarded and later installed. For both greenfields and brownfields, industry analysts such as Westwood Global Energy Group on 6 March 2026 reported an expected increase from 247 subsea tree awards in 2025 to 296 awards in 2026, a 20% increase. Koil's product sales tend to correlate with subsea tree awards as we supply the controlled infrastructure linking subsea trees to the topside production facility.

Speaker #2: A 20% increase . Quotes product sales tend to correlate with subsidiary awards as we supply the controls infrastructure linking subsea trees to the topside production facility Analysts also expect subsea tree installation activity closely correlated with coil service activity , to increase by approximately 8% .

Erik Wiik: Analysts also expect subsea tree installation activity closely correlated with Koil's service activity to increase by approximately 8%, even when compared against last year's elevated installation levels. We are two years into an ambitious three-year strategy focused on achieving continued profitable revenue growth. While our growth strategy continues to push Koil's business performance domestically, we have also advanced our international activities. Our facility in Macaé, Brazil, is up and running. While we are waiting for a significant contract in that region, we are currently serving clients with rental equipment that we built in-country. The bidding activity in South America is at its highest level, and we are pleased to share that we are now qualified to bid for key customers in that region. While Brazil is our main focus, we continue to pursue opportunities in the North Sea together with our alliance partner, SubseaDesign.

Speaker #2: Even when compared against last year's elevator installation levels, we are two years into an ambitious three-year strategy focused on achieving continued profitable revenue growth.

Speaker #2: While our growth strategy continues to push Coil's business performance domestically We have also advanced our international activities . Our facility in Mackay , Brazil is up and running while we are waiting for a significant contract in that region .

Erik Wiik: While we are waiting for a significant contract in that region, we are currently serving clients with rental equipment that we built in-country. The bidding activity in South America is at its highest level, and we are pleased to share that we are now qualified to bid for key customers in that region. While Brazil is our main focus, we continue to pursue opportunities in the North Sea together with our alliance partner, SubseaDesign.

Speaker #2: We are currently serving clients with rental equipment that we built in-country. The bidding activity in South America is at its highest level, and we are pleased to share that we are now qualified to bid for key customers in that region.

Speaker #2: While Brazil is our main focus , we continue to pursue opportunities in the North Sea together with our alliance partner , Subsea Design , we have also hired a channel partner pipeline Network , LLC to pursue service work in Africa and Southeast Asia Before we conclude , I would like to share that we are currently refining our growth strategy and setting ambitious new goals through 2030 .

Erik Wiik: We have also hired a channel partner, Pipeline Network LLC, to pursue service work in Africa and Southeast Asia. Before we conclude, I would like to share that we are currently refining our growth strategy and setting ambitious new goals through 2030. We look forward to presenting these plans at an in-person and online investor conference in Houston on 7 and 8 May 2026, held in conjunction with the Offshore Technology Conference, OTC. Formal invitations will be sent shortly. That concludes our prepared remarks today, so I'll turn the call back to the operator to take investor questions. Operator?

Speaker #2: We look forward to presenting these plans at an in-person and online investor conference in Houston on May 7th and eighth , 2026 . Held in conjunction with the Offshore Technology Conference OTC formal invitations will be sent shortly That concludes our prepared remarks today .

Speaker #2: So, I'll turn the call back to the operator to take investor questions. Operator.

Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you'd like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question today comes from Mike Travlos, Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Speaker #3: We will now begin the question and answer session to ask a question . You may press star . Then one on your touchtone phone .

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Speaker #3: Then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question today comes from Mike Travlos, private investor.

Speaker #3: Please go ahead

Mike Travlos: Hi there. Question is, the Iran war and increasing oil prices. What kind of scenario assessment can you tell us when you get into this situation with oil prices increasing fast? Are your customers increasing their activity? Are they taking a wait and see? Is this more profitable for them? Is it better, worse, or no change? What can you tell us?

Speaker #4: Hi there. The question is about the Iran war and the increasing oil prices. What kind of scenario assessment can you give us when you are in this situation with oil prices increasing, and increasing fast? Are your customers increasing their activity?

Speaker #4: Are they taking a wait and see ? Is this more profitable for them ? Is it better or worse or no change ? What can you tell us

Erik Wiik: Why, well, that's a question for someone with a higher pay grade than me, perhaps. Thank you, Mike, for the question. I'll refer to our customers, what they say. Last week we had the CERAWeek in Houston. This is an excellent conference where you have not only executives from various international oil companies present, but you also have government officials from various countries that are engaged in oil and gas policies. Two things relate to this. First of all, as you said, the oil price going up, and for a while, we don't know how you know, how high that will go and how long it will stay.

Speaker #2: Well , well , that's a question for someone . Someone with a higher pay grade than me . Perhaps , but but thank you , Mike , for for the question .

Speaker #2: So I'll refer to our customers what they say . And last week we had this week in Houston , this is a excellent conference where you have not only executives from various international oil companies present , but you also have government officials from various countries that are engaged in in oil and gas policies .

Speaker #2: So two things relate to this . First of all , as you said , the the oil price going up . And for a while , we don't know how you know how high that will go and how long it will stay .

Erik Wiik: While it does, obviously our customers are getting their cash flow improved. They always have, and referring to similar situation in the past, they always have projects sitting on the shelf that they would like to develop but didn't, you know, get included in the budget. When cash flow increases, what we often see is that they re-release more projects for that reason. Obviously, that has very little to do with the business case, the long-term business case, because all these projects, you know, take years to develop. Who knows what the oil price is gonna be 5 to 7 years from now.

Speaker #2: But while it does , obviously our customers are getting their cash flow improved . They always have . And referring to similar situation in the past , they always have projects sitting on the shelf that they would like to develop , but didn't you know , get included in the budget .

Speaker #2: So when cash flowing increase , what we often see is that they release more projects . For that reason , obviously , that has very little to do with the business case .

Speaker #2: The long term business case , because all these projects , you know , take years to develop . So who knows what the oil price is going to be 5 to 7 years from now .

Speaker #2: But the other part of this , that again , referring to what I learned from from my customers , is that the the hormone straight is , is being something we always have talked about , but not to often , perhaps in the recent years , we always knew it was a risk when so much of the resources come from that region .

Erik Wiik: The other part of this that, again, referring to what I learned from my customers, is that the Strait of Hormuz is being something we always have talked about, but not too often, perhaps, in the recent years. We always knew it was a risk when so much of the resources come from that region. Now we know it's real. That risk is now on everybody's mind, and even if there's hopefully a peace coming shortly here, we will have this in mind. Too many resources are coming from one place. Officials from various countries have reflected that they obviously want to make sure that they have resources in their country or with a trusted neighbor.

Speaker #2: But now we know it's real. That risk is now on everybody's mind. And even if there is, hopefully, a piece coming shortly here, we will have this in mind.

Speaker #2: Too many resources are coming from one place, so officials from various countries have reflected that. They obviously want to make sure that they have resources in their country or with a trusted neighbor.

Erik Wiik: For sure, the subsea development is the best way to address that. There are so many subsea regions around the world, and so many countries participate in developing subsea developments, and we hear now that they're more interested in going after that resource than perhaps before this conflict.

Speaker #2: And and for sure , the subsidy developments is the best way to address that . There are so many subsea regions around the world and so many countries participate in developing subsea developments .

Speaker #2: And we hear now that there are more interests going after that resource than perhaps before this conflict.

Mike Travlos: That sounds like somewhat of a positive assessment, but long-term, though.

Speaker #4: That sounds like a somewhat of a positive assessment , but long term , though .

Erik Wiik: Well, I hate to connect our earnings to a conflict, but that-

Speaker #2: Well , I hate to connect our earnings to to a conflict , but but that's what I learned from from these people . Yes .

Mike Travlos: Right

Erik Wiik: That's what I learned from these people, yes.

Mike Travlos: Right. Can you give us more color on the, you know, longer-term growth plan that you mentioned going out to 2030?

Speaker #4: Right . Can you give us more color on the the longer term growth plan that you mentioned going out to 20 , 30 ?

Erik Wiik: Yeah. We are preparing that now. We have been working so far on a three-year strategy. The roadmap is now two years into the three-year plan. Obviously we need to hammer out some more details on what we're gonna do the next three years or actually four years, which get us to 2030. That is what we're working on right now, and then we plan to present that at an investor conference in the second week of May, 7 and 8 May.

Speaker #2: Yeah . So we are preparing that now . We , we have been working so far on a three year strategy . The roadmap is now two , two years into the three year plan .

Speaker #2: So obviously we need to hammer out some more details on on what we're going to do in the next three years or actually four years , which get us to 20 , 30 .

Speaker #2: So that is what we're working on right now . And then we plan to present that at a investor conference in , in the second week of May .

Speaker #2: The seventh and the eighth of May

Mike Travlos: Is there gonna be a link for us to watch that?

Speaker #4: And is that—is there going to be a link for us to watch that?

Erik Wiik: Absolutely. You can either be present here or we're gonna have an online conference as well.

Speaker #2: Absolutely. So, you can either be here, or we're going to have an online conference as well.

Mike Travlos: Okay. Thank you. That's all for me.

Speaker #4: Okay. Thank you. That's all for me.

Erik Wiik: Thank you.

Operator: Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Peter Michelman, Private Investor. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you .

Speaker #3: Again , if you have a question , please press star . Then one the next question comes from Peter Michelman , private investor .

Speaker #3: Please go ahead

Peter Michelman: Good morning, guys. Nice quarter.

Speaker #5: Good morning guys . Nice quarter .

Erik Wiik: Great. Thank you, Peter.

Kurt Keller: Thank you.

Speaker #2: Okay . Thank you Peter

Kurt Keller: I was wondering, what is your exact headcount today in Houston and Brazil, respectively?

Peter Michelman: I was wondering, what is your exact headcount today in Houston and Brazil, respectively?

Speaker #5: I was wondering, what is your exact headcount today in Houston and Brazil, respectively?

Erik Wiik: The exact headcount is 68 today. Is that correct, Kurt?

Speaker #2: So the exact headcount is 68 today. Is that correct, Kurt?

Kurt Keller: If you don't include Brazil.

Kurt Keller: Yeah.

Erik Wiik: Yeah.

Kurt Keller: If we include our people in Brazil, we have three people that are dedicated to Brazil.

Speaker #6: If you don't include Brazil, and then if we include our people in Brazil, we have three people that are dedicated to Brazil.

Peter Michelman: Okay. With respect to operations in Brazil, it doesn't sound like you're doing any fabricating with employees in the new facility. It's with subcontractors.

Speaker #5: Okay . And with respect to operations in Brazil , are you it doesn't sound like you're doing any any fabricating with employees in the new facility .

Speaker #5: It's it's with subcontractors .

Erik Wiik: The initial work we did was with subcontractors. We brought the equipment to the facility for inspection there and also had contractors working at the facility to do inspection, and then we shipped it to the field. All the con-

Speaker #2: So the , the , the initial work we did was with subcontractors . And but then we brought the , the , the equipment to the facility for inspection there .

Speaker #2: And also had contractors working at the facility to do inspection. And then we shipped it to the field. So all the—

Peter Michelman: I see. Okay.

Erik Wiik: All the construction we did is complete.

Speaker #5: I see , okay .

Speaker #2: That's complete .

Peter Michelman: As time proceeds in Brazil and let's say you get a significant contract, what kind of margins do you see compared to Houston on fabrication and service work respectively? I mean, the labor is a bit cheaper and the facility lease is cheaper, but then I imagine that when you facilitate a sale, it's gonna be less revenue or how would that work?

Speaker #5: And , and as time proceeds in Brazil and you , you , let's say you get a significant contract . What what kind of margins do you see compared to Houston on fabrication and service work ?

Speaker #5: Respectfully , I mean , the the labor , the labor is a bit cheaper and the the facility lease is cheaper , but then I imagine that when you're when you facilitate a sale , it's , it's going to be less revenue or how would that work ?

Erik Wiik: Our margin policy will be the same there, as it is here. We're trying to get the same margin on every project, basically. As you indicated, you know, winning the first project, perhaps, we have to go lower, but not necessarily. We think that Brazil is a mature, competitive region. You can manage risk well, and the competition there is not necessarily want to lose money either. It doesn't mean that we necessarily need to give up margin. As you indicated in the beginning, it might be a little less.

Speaker #2: So our margin policy will be the same there as it is here. So we're trying to get the same margin on every project.

Speaker #2: Basically . And but as you indicated , you know , winning the first project , perhaps we have to go lower . But but not but not necessarily .

Speaker #2: We think that Brazil is a , is a mature , competitive region . You , you manage , you can manage risk . Well and the competition there is not necessarily want to lose money either .

Speaker #2: So it doesn't mean that we're necessarily need to need to give up margin . But as you indicated in the beginning , it might be a little less .

Peter Michelman: You're looking, you know, 40% target, 30, 35 to 40% range, roughly?

Speaker #5: So you're looking , you know , 40% target , 30 , 35 to 40% range roughly .

Erik Wiik: Yeah, the gross margin range we want to be in the high 30s with that, and 40% would be a great target, absolutely.

Speaker #2: So yeah , the gross margin range , we want to be in the high 30s with that . And 40% would be a great target .

Peter Michelman: All right. What became of the receivable turned bad debt from last quarter, the engineering firm in Britain?

Speaker #2: Absolutely .

Speaker #5: All right. What became of the receivable turned bad debt from last year for the engineering firm in Britain?

Kurt Keller: We are still pursuing that, and we received a default judgment here in the States, and now are going after them in UK legal system.

Speaker #6: We are still pursuing that. And we received a default judgment here in the States. And now we are going after them in the UK legal system.

Peter Michelman: Is that a long and winding road, so to speak?

Speaker #5: And if that is, that’s a long and winding road, so to speak.

Kurt Keller: It's one that's maybe not as clear a path as the US, but it is in the UK that-

Speaker #6: It's one that's maybe not as clear a path as the U.S., but it is in the U.K., and so that—

Peter Michelman: There is a path. Okay.

Kurt Keller: There is a path.

Speaker #5: Gives us. There is a path. Okay.

Speaker #6: There is a path

Peter Michelman: That concludes my questions. Thanks. Thanks for that.

Speaker #5: That that that concludes my questions . Thanks . Thanks for that .

Erik Wiik: All right. Thank you, Peter.

Speaker #2: All right. Thank you, Peter.

Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Erik Wiik for any closing remarks.

Speaker #3: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Eric Baek for any closing remarks.

Erik Wiik: All right. Thank you, operator, and our thanks to all of you who joined our call today. We appreciate your interest in Koil Energy and look forward to the next earnings call. This concludes our call. Thank you.

Speaker #2: Or I thank you . Operator . And and our thanks to to all of you who joined our call today . We appreciate your interest in coil energy and look forward to the next earnings call .

Speaker #2: This concludes our call. Thank you.

Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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