Q1 2026 Texas Instruments Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: And I'm joined by our Chief Executive Officer, Haviv Ilan, and our Chief Financial Officer, Rafael Lizardi. For any of you who missed the release, you can find it on our website at ti.com/ir.
Speaker #1: This call is being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed through our website. In addition, today's call is being recorded and will be available via replay on our website.
Speaker #1: This call will include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause TI's results to differ materially from a management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the notice regarding forward-looking statements contained in the earnings release published today as well as TI's most recent SEC filings for a more complete description.
Speaker #1: Today, we'll provide the following updates. First, Haviv will start with a quick overview of the quarter. Next, he will provide insight into first quarter revenue results with some details on what we're seeing with respect to our end markets.
Speaker #1: Lastly, Rafael will cover the financial results, give an update on capital management, as well as share the guidance for second quarter 2026. With that, let me turn it over to Haviv.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Mike. Before I go into the results, quarter, we announced an agreement for TI to acquire Silicon Labs. This transaction enhances our global leadership in embedded wireless connectivity.
Speaker #2: Expense TI's portfolio and leverages TI's internally owned technology and manufacturing and reach of market channels. We expect the transaction to close in the first half of 2027, subject to necessary approvals.
Speaker #2: Now, let me provide a quick overview of the first quarter. Revenue was $4.8 billion, an increase of 9% sequentially, and an increase of 19% year over year.
Speaker #2: Analog and embedded, both grew sequentially and year on year. Analog revenue grew 22% year on year, and embedded processing grew 12%. Our other segment declined 16% from the year-ago quarter.
Speaker #2: Let me provide a few comments about the current market environment. In the first quarter, revenue came in above the top of the range, as we saw continued acceleration in industrial and data center.
Speaker #2: The overall semiconductor market recovery is continuing. And we remain well-positioned with inventory and capacity that allows us to support our customers with competitively times through the cycle.
Speaker #2: Now, I'll share some additional insights into first quarter revenue by end market. First, industrial increased more than 30% year on year, and was up more than 20% sequentially, growing broadly across all sectors and regions.
Speaker #2: Automotive increased mid-single digits year on year, and was about flat sequentially. Data center grew about 90% year on year, and grew more than 25% sequentially.
Speaker #2: Personal electronics was flat year on year, and grew low single digits sequentially. And lastly, communications equipment grew about 25% year on year, and grew more than 30% sequentially.
Speaker #2: With that, let me turn it over to Rafael, to review profitability and capital management.
Speaker #3: Thanks, Haviv, and good afternoon, everyone. As Haviv mentioned, first quarter revenue was $4.8 billion. Gross profit in the quarter was $2.8 billion, or 58% of revenue.
Speaker #3: Sequentially, gross profit margin increased 210 basis points. Operating expenses in the quarter were $974 million. About as expected. On a trailing 12-month basis, operating expenses were $3.9 billion, or 21% of revenue.
Speaker #3: Operating profit was $1.8 billion in the quarter, or 37% of revenue. And was up 37% from the year-ago quarter. Net income in the quarter was $1.5 billion.
Speaker #3: Or $1.68 per share. Earnings per share included a 5-cent benefit for items not in our original guidance, primarily due to discrete tax benefits. Let me now comment on our capital management results, starting with our cash generation.
Speaker #3: Cash flow from operation was $1.5 billion in the quarter, and $7.8 billion on a trailing 12-month basis. Capital expenditures were $676 million in the quarter and $4.1 billion over the last 12 months.
Speaker #3: Free cash flow on a trailing 12-month basis was $4.4 billion. Up from $1.7 billion in the first quarter of 2025. Trending up as growth returns and CapEx begins to moderate.
Speaker #3: Free cash flow in the trailing 12 months includes $965 million of chips act incentives. This includes a $555 million payment received in the first quarter as part of our direct funding agreement, related to the startup production at our newest $300 millimeter wafer fab in Sherman, Texas.
Speaker #3: In the quarter, we paid $1.3 billion in dividends and repurchased $158 million of our stock. In total, we returned $6 billion to our owners in the past 12 months.
Speaker #3: Our balance sheet remains strong, with $5.1 billion of cash and short-term investments at the end of the first quarter. Total debt outstanding is $14 billion, with a weighted average coupon of 4%.
Speaker #3: Inventory at the end of the quarter was $4.7 billion. Down 109 million from 209, down 13 days sequentially. Turning to our outlook for the second quarter, we expect TI's revenue in the range of $5 billion to $5.4 billion, and earnings per share to be in the range of $1.77 to $2.05.
Haviv Ilan: We received payment in Q1 as part of our direct funding agreement related to the start of production at our newest 300-millimeter wafer fab in Sherman, Texas. In Q1, we paid $1.3 billion in dividends and repurchased $158 million of our stock. In total, we returned $6 billion to our owners in the past 12 months. Our balance sheet remains strong with $5.1 billion of cash and short-term investments at the end of Q1. Total debt outstanding is $14 billion, with a weighted average coupon of 4%. Inventory at the end of Q1 was $4.7 billion, down $109 million from the prior quarter, and days were 209, down 13 days sequentially.
Haviv Ilan: We received payment in Q1 as part of our direct funding agreement related to the start of production at our newest 300-millimeter wafer fab in Sherman, Texas. In Q1, we paid $1.3 billion in dividends and repurchased $158 million of our stock. In total, we returned $6 billion to our owners in the past 12 months. Our balance sheet remains strong with $5.1 billion of cash and short-term investments at the end of Q1. Total debt outstanding is $14 billion, with a weighted average coupon of 4%. Inventory at the end of Q1 was $4.7 billion, down $109 million from the prior quarter, and days were 209, down 13 days sequentially.
Speaker #3: We expect our effective tax rate to be about 13% in the second quarter. In closing, we will stay focused in the areas that add value in the long term.
To the startup production at our newest 300 millimeter wafer fab and Sherman, Texas.
Speaker #3: We continue to invest in our competitive advantages, which are manufacturing and technology, a broad product portfolio, reach of our channels, and diverse and long-lived positions.
In the quarter, we paid $1.3 billion in dividends and repurchased $158 million of our stock.
Speaker #3: We will continue to strengthen these advantages through disciplined capital allocation and by focusing on the best opportunities, which we believe will enable us to continue to deliver free cash flow per share growth over back to Mike.
In total, we returned $6 billion to our owners in the past 12 months.
Our balance sheet remains strong with $5.1 billion of cash and short-term investments at the end of the first quarter.
Speaker #4: Operator, you can now open the line for questions. In order to provide as many of you as possible an opportunity to ask your questions, please let me yourself to a single question.
Total debt outstanding is 14 billion dollars. We are weighted average coupon of 4%.
Speaker #4: After our response, we'll provide you an opportunity for an additional follow-up. Operator?
Haviv Ilan: Turning to our outlook for Q2, we expect TI's revenue in the range of $5 billion to $5.4 billion, and earnings per share to be in the range of $1.77 to $2.05. We expect our effective tax rate to be about 13% in Q2. In closing, we will stay focused in the areas that add value in the long term. We continue to invest in our competitive advantages, which are manufacturing and technology, a broad product portfolio, reach of our channels, and diverse and long-lived positions. We will continue to strengthen these advantages through disciplined capital allocation and by focusing on the best opportunities, which we believe will enable us to continue to deliver free cash flow per share growth over the long term. With that, let me turn it back to Mike.
Haviv Ilan: Turning to our outlook for Q2, we expect TI's revenue in the range of $5 billion to $5.4 billion, and earnings per share to be in the range of $1.77 to $2.05. We expect our effective tax rate to be about 13% in Q2. In closing, we will stay focused in the areas that add value in the long term. We continue to invest in our competitive advantages, which are manufacturing and technology, a broad product portfolio, reach of our channels, and diverse and long-lived positions. We will continue to strengthen these advantages through disciplined capital allocation and by focusing on the best opportunities, which we believe will enable us to continue to deliver free cash flow per share growth over the long term. With that, let me turn it back to Mike.
Inventory at the end of the quarter was $4.7 billion, down $109 million from the prior quarter, and days were 209, down 13 days sequentially.
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Turning to our outlook for the second quarter, we expect TI's revenue in the range of $5.0 billion to $5.4 billion, and earnings per share to be in the range of $1.77 to $2.55.
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We expect our effective tax rate to be about 13% in the second quarter.
In closing, we will stay focused on the areas that add value in the long term.
Speaker #5: One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Tim Arcuri with UBS.
We continue to invest in our competitive advantages, which are manufacturing and technology, a broad product portfolio, reach of our channels, and diverse and long-lived positions.
Speaker #6: Thanks a lot. Haviv, I wonder if you can comment just on the behavior of customers. I know you're guiding up a little better than seasonal off of a number in March that was very strong.
Mike Beckman: Operator, you can now open the line for questions. In order to provide as many of you as possible an opportunity to ask your questions, please limit yourself to a single question. After our response, we'll provide you an opportunity for an additional follow-up. Operator?
Mike Beckman: Operator, you can now open the line for questions. In order to provide as many of you as possible an opportunity to ask your questions, please limit yourself to a single question. After our response, we'll provide you an opportunity for an additional follow-up. Operator?
We will continue to strengthen these advantages through discipline, capital allocation, and by focusing on the best opportunities, which we believe will enable us to continue to deliver free cash flow per share growth over the long term. With that, let me turn it back to Mike.
Speaker #6: So it sounds like it's mostly industrial, but can you comment kind of on are there rush orders? I know we're seeing signs of price increases and things like that.
Speaker #6: So is this impacting the customers' behavior?
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Speaker #2: Yeah, thanks, Tim. In general, I think Q1 was a continuation of what we saw in Q4, very similar behavior meaning growth coming from two main areas.
Speaker #2: Led by industrial, as you mentioned. And also supported by the data center market that we've seen the secular growth over there for the last couple of years.
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Speaker #2: This was the eighth quarter of sequential growth. Just off of a higher number. So that also helps the overall growth of the company. I will say that the industrial signal was a little bit broader this time.
Thank you. Our first question is from Tim Archery with UBS.
Timothy Arcuri: Thanks a lot. Haviv, I wonder if you can comment just on the behavior of customers. I know you're guiding up a little better than seasonal off of a number in March that was very strong, so it sounds like it's mostly industrial, but can you comment kind of on are there rush orders? I know we're seeing signs of price increases and things like that. Is this impacting the customers' behavior? Thanks.
Timothy Arcuri: Thanks a lot. Haviv, I wonder if you can comment just on the behavior of customers. I know you're guiding up a little better than seasonal off of a number in March that was very strong, so it sounds like it's mostly industrial, but can you comment kind of on are there rush orders? I know we're seeing signs of price increases and things like that. Is this impacting the customers' behavior? Thanks.
Speaker #2: So I would say all sectors, all geographies, grew sequentially. And it continued to accelerate through the quarter. So if you think about January, February, and then you always want to see how the exit from the lunar or the Chinese New Year break is going to look like, but it continued in March.
Thanks a lot. Um, I wonder if you can comment just on the behavior of customers? I know you're guiding up a little better than seasonal off of a number in March that was very strong. So, it sounds like it's mostly industrial, but can you comment, kind of, on are there rush orders? I know we're seeing signs of, you know, price increases and, you know, things like that. So, is this impacting the customers' behavior? Thanks.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Thanks, Tim. In general, I think Q1 was a continuation of what we saw in Q4. Very similar behavior, meaning growth, coming from two main areas, led by industrial, as you mentioned, and also supported by the data center market that we've seen the secular growth over there for the last couple of years. This was the eighth quarter of sequential growth, just off of a higher number. That also helps the overall growth of the company. I will say that the industrial signal was a little bit broader this time. I would say all sectors, all geographies, grew sequentially, and it continued to accelerate through the quarter. If you think about January, February, and then you always want to see how the exit from the Lunar New Year or the Chinese New Year break is going to look like. It continued in March.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Thanks, Tim. In general, I think Q1 was a continuation of what we saw in Q4. Very similar behavior, meaning growth, coming from two main areas, led by industrial, as you mentioned, and also supported by the data center market that we've seen the secular growth over there for the last couple of years. This was the eighth quarter of sequential growth, just off of a higher number. That also helps the overall growth of the company. I will say that the industrial signal was a little bit broader this time. I would say all sectors, all geographies, grew sequentially, and it continued to accelerate through the quarter. If you think about January, February, and then you always want to see how the exit from the Lunar New Year or the Chinese New Year break is going to look like. It continued in March.
Speaker #2: So just a continuation. I would say it's now five or six months of continued growth in industrial. We want to keep watching it, but I would say that what guides our forecast into the second quarter.
Yeah, thanks Steve. Uh, in general I think uh q1 was a continuation of what we saw in in Q4 very, very similar. Uh Behavior meaning growth. Um, coming from 2 main areas led by industrial as you mentioned,
Speaker #2: Mike, anything to add on that?
Speaker #3: Yeah, I think I just want to be mindful too, just the overall macro backdrop and want to see how sustainable the growth is, and that was factored into the guide.
Speaker #3: Tim, do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #5: I do. Yeah. Mike, maybe you can comment on I know typically you don't break the guidance down by segment, but just given how different it was in March, and given that we're hearing some choppiness in autos, particularly in China, I mean, I would think that most of the sequential growth will be in industrial, but can you being thought of in the June guidance for those two?
And also supported by the data center market that, you know, we've seen the secular growth over there for the last couple of years. This was the eighth quarter of, uh, of sequential growth, just off of a higher number. So that also helps the overall growth of the company.
I will say that the industrial signal was a little bit broader this time. So I would say—
Speaker #5: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Let me take that, Tim. I think I can help you a little bit on the automotive side. But first, I think as you said, we are not seeing a change from the previous quarter.
Haviv Ilan: Just a continuation. I would say it's now five or six months of continued growth in Industrial. We want to keep watching it, but I would say that's what guides our forecast into Q2. Mike, anything to add on that?
Haviv Ilan: Just a continuation. I would say it's now five or six months of continued growth in Industrial. We want to keep watching it, but I would say that's what guides our forecast into Q2. Mike, anything to add on that?
Speaker #2: So I expect growth to be led by industrial and data center. I won't break it out between the two, but we see strength in both.
Speaker #2: Regarding automotive, you're right that Q1 was it's always the same in Q1 in China. China was the overall quarter was flat sequentially. But China was down.
All sectors, all geographies grew sequentially, and it continued to accelerate through the quarters. So, if you think about, uh, January, February, and then you always want to see how the exit from the Lunar or the Chinese New Year break is going to look like, but it continued in March. So just a continuation. I would say it's now five or six months of continued, uh, growth in industrial. We want to keep watching it, but I would say that’s what guides our, uh, forecast, uh, into the second quarter.
Mike Beckman: Yeah, I think you just want to be mindful, too, of just the overall macro backdrop, and want to see how sustainable the growth is, and that was factored into the guide. Tim, do you have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: Yeah, I think you just want to be mindful, too, of just the overall macro backdrop, and want to see how sustainable the growth is, and that was factored into the guide. Tim, do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #2: The rest of the world was up. I want to see automotive and see how it develops in Q2. It's too soon to call it.
Mike, anything to add on that? Yeah, I think some behavior—you just want to be mindful, too. Just the overall macro backdrop, and, you know, want to see how sustainable the growth is, and that was factored into the guide.
Tim, do you have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: I do, yeah. Mike, maybe you can comment on, I know typically you don't break the guidance down by segment, but just given how different it was in March, and given that we're hearing some choppiness in autos, particularly in China, I would think that most of the sequential growth will be in industrial. Can you give any comments for what is being thought of in the June guidance for those two? Thanks.
Timothy Arcuri: I do, yeah. Mike, maybe you can comment on, I know typically you don't break the guidance down by segment, but just given how different it was in March, and given that we're hearing some choppiness in autos, particularly in China, I would think that most of the sequential growth will be in industrial. Can you give any comments for what is being thought of in the June guidance for those two? Thanks.
Speaker #2: I will remind us, though, that during the COVID cycle even, automotive was the last to join in, also the last to peak, right? So I'm not surprised by the behavior of this market.
Speaker #2: I will say that secular growth in automotive continues for the foreseeable future. And that's what that is my encouragement. We are seeing cars adding features.
Haviv Ilan: Let me take that, Tim. I think I can help you a little bit on the automotive side. First, I think as you said, we are not seeing a change from the previous quarter, so I expect growth to be led by industrial and data center. I won't break it out between the two, but we see strength in both. Regarding automotive, you're right that Q1, it's always the same in Q1 in China. The overall quarter was flat sequentially, but China was down. The rest of the world was up. I want to see automotive and see how it develops in Q2. It's too soon to call it. I will remind us, though, that during the COVID cycle, even automotive was the last to join in, also the last to peak. Right? I'm not surprised by the behavior of this market.
Haviv Ilan: Let me take that, Tim. I think I can help you a little bit on the automotive side. First, I think as you said, we are not seeing a change from the previous quarter, so I expect growth to be led by industrial and data center. I won't break it out between the two, but we see strength in both. Regarding automotive, you're right that Q1, it's always the same in Q1 in China. The overall quarter was flat sequentially, but China was down. The rest of the world was up. I want to see automotive and see how it develops in Q2. It's too soon to call it. I will remind us, though, that during the COVID cycle, even automotive was the last to join in, also the last to peak. Right? I'm not surprised by the behavior of this market.
I do. Yeah, Mike maybe you can comment on you know I know typically you don't break the guidance down by segment but just given how different it was in March. Um, and given that we're hearing some choppiness in Autos, particularly in China. Uh, I mean, I would think that most of the sequential goth will be in industrial but, uh, can you give any comments for what is, uh, being, you know, thought of in the June guidance, you know, for those 2, thanks.
Speaker #2: We are seeing more content added to vehicles across the powertrains, whether it's BEV or ICE or the hybrids. Anything to add on that, Mike, in terms of the guide?
Speaker #3: No, I think you characterize it well. And as you know, auto has been steady at an elevated level for some time. It didn't really have that steep correction that we saw on the other end markets.
Speaker #3: So I think as Haviv called it out, these markets have been in the past have been transitioning out of phase. I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that could happen again.
Always the same in Q1 in China. China was—the overall quarter was flat sequentially.
Speaker #3: So we'll have to see how it plays out.
Speaker #2: Yeah, I think it's an important point that Mike said. Q1 was kind of a flat quarter, but very close to peak levels, maybe a point or two below its peak.
Uh, but China was down, the rest of the world was up. I want to see, uh, automotive and see how it develops in Q2—it's too soon to call it. I will remind us, though.
Speaker #2: So it's holding very nicely at a high level.
Speaker #3: All right. We'll move on to our next caller.
Haviv Ilan: I will say that secular growth in automotive continues for the foreseeable future, and that is my encouragement. We are seeing cars adding features. We are seeing more content added to vehicles across the powertrains, whether it's BEV, ICE, or the hybrids. Anything to add on that, Mike, in terms of the guide?
Haviv Ilan: I will say that secular growth in automotive continues for the foreseeable future, and that is my encouragement. We are seeing cars adding features. We are seeing more content added to vehicles across the powertrains, whether it's BEV, ICE, or the hybrids. Anything to add on that, Mike, in terms of the guide?
Speaker #5: Thank you. Our next question is from Vivek Arya with Bank of America.
Speaker #6: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Haviv, on this industrial growth, up 30%, I think you said year on year, this is obviously well above the long-term trend line.
Speaker #6: Could you help us dissect which applications, which end markets are driving this? Is this still inventory replenishment? Is this pricing? Is it share gains?
That during the coid cycle, even Automotive was the last to join in. Also the last 2 pick, right? So I'm not surprised by the behavior of this Market. I will say that secular growth in automotive continues, for the foreseeable future and that's what that is. Uh my um my encouragement we are seeing uh cars adding features. We are seeing more content added to to Vehicles, across the power trains. Whether it's BV or, um, or ice or the hybrids,
Mike Beckman: No, I think you characterized it well, and as you know, auto has been steady at an elevated level for some time. It didn't really have that steep correction that we saw on the other end markets. So I think as Haviv called it out, these markets have been, in the past, transitioning out of phase. I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that could happen again. We'll have to see how it plays out.
Mike Beckman: No, I think you characterized it well, and as you know, auto has been steady at an elevated level for some time. It didn't really have that steep correction that we saw on the other end markets. So I think as Haviv called it out, these markets have been, in the past, transitioning out of phase. I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that could happen again. We'll have to see how it plays out.
Speaker #6: Just what kind of checks and balances do you have in place that this isn't any kind of double ordering or hoarding of your products?
Speaker #2: No, I don't see it that way. At least I don't have the evidence to show that, Vivek. But remember, industrial, you said, yeah, for one quarter, that's a lot of growth.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, I think it's an important point that Mike said. Q1 was kind of a flat quarter, but very close to peak levels, maybe a point or two below its peak. It's holding very nicely at a high level.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, I think it's an important point that Mike said. Q1 was kind of a flat quarter, but very close to peak levels, maybe a point or two below its peak. It's holding very nicely at a high level.
Speaker #2: But if you look at the long-term trend line, we are still below the trend line. If I just did the math in Q1, our industrial, we had a very good quarter in industrial growing at the rates that you've mentioned.
Mike Beckman: All right, we'll move on to our next caller.
Mike Beckman: All right, we'll move on to our next caller.
Anything to add on that mic in terms of the guide. Know I, I, I think he characterized it well and, and as you know, you know, Otto has been steady at an elevated level for some time, it didn't really have that steep correction that we saw on the other end markets. So I think it's a, we've called it out, you know, these markets have been in the past have been transitioning out of phase. I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that could happen again. Um, so want to see how it plays out. Yeah, I think it's important to point that Mike said, you know, q1 was, you know, kind of a flat quarter but very close to Peak levels, maybe a point or 2 below it speaks. So it's holding very nicely at a high level.
All right, we'll move on to our next caller.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from Vivek Arya with Bank of America.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from Vivek Arya with Bank of America.
Speaker #2: But still 15% lower than the peak. That was back in 2022. And as I say many times, there is secular growth continuing in industrial.
Thank you. Our next question is from Vivek Arya with Bank of America.
Vivek Arya: Thanks for taking my question. Haviv, on this industrial growth up 30%, I think you said year-on-year. This is obviously well above the long-term trend line. Could you help us dissect which applications, which end markets are driving this? Is it still inventory replenishment? Is this pricing? Is it share gains? Just what kind of checks and balances do you have in place that this isn't any kind of double ordering or hoarding of your products?
Vivek Arya: Thanks for taking my question. Haviv, on this industrial growth up 30%, I think you said year-on-year. This is obviously well above the long-term trend line. Could you help us dissect which applications, which end markets are driving this? Is it still inventory replenishment? Is this pricing? Is it share gains? Just what kind of checks and balances do you have in place that this isn't any kind of double ordering or hoarding of your products?
Speaker #2: So we deserve a higher peak, right? Four years later. So I think there is a lot of room to grow. The encouragement I will have on industrial this time is that I see it at a broader application.
Speaker #2: So all of them, not only the data center-related, the energy infrastructure, or power delivery, not only aerospace and defense. And we know the geopolitical tensions in the market is establishing new peaks every quarter.
Speaker #2: I saw it across all sectors. In industrial and also across all customers, in terms of regions, but also the size of customers. It's the first quarter where we saw the broad market, as we call it, the tail starting to wake up again after a long hibernation period, I would call it.
Uh, thanks for taking my question. Are we on this industrial uh growth? Uh you know up 30% I think you said year on year. Uh, this is you know obviously well above the long term trend line, could you help us dissect which applications which end markets are are driving. This is this is this still inventory replenishment is this pricing is it um share gains just what kind of checks and balances do you have in place that there? This isn't any kind of double ordering or or holding off your uh products?
Haviv Ilan: No, I don't see it that way. At least I don't have the evidence to show that, Vivek. Remember, Industrial, you said, yeah, for one quarter, that's a lot of growth. If you look at the long-term trend line, we are still below the trend line. I just did the math, in Q1, we had a very good quarter in Industrial, growing at the rates that you've mentioned, but still 15% lower than the peak. That was back in 2022. As I say many times, there is a secular growth continuing in Industrial, so we deserve a higher peak, right? Four years later. I think there is a lot of room to grow. The encouragement I would have on Industrial this time is that I see it at a broader application.
Haviv Ilan: No, I don't see it that way. At least I don't have the evidence to show that, Vivek. Remember, Industrial, you said, yeah, for one quarter, that's a lot of growth. If you look at the long-term trend line, we are still below the trend line. I just did the math, in Q1, we had a very good quarter in Industrial, growing at the rates that you've mentioned, but still 15% lower than the peak. That was back in 2022. As I say many times, there is a secular growth continuing in Industrial, so we deserve a higher peak, right? Four years later. I think there is a lot of room to grow. The encouragement I would have on Industrial this time is that I see it at a broader application.
Speaker #2: So I am encouraged about the fact that we are seeing growth over there. But I think there is, I mean, I would like to see a secular growth in industrial continuing.
Speaker #2: And then higher peaks establishing in 2026 or later, versus the 2022 peak. So in that sense, trend line are suggesting we still have room to go.
No, I I don't I don't see it that way. At least I don't have the evidence to show that V but remember industrial, you said yeah, for for 1 quarter, that's a lot of growth but if you look at the long-term trend line, we are still below the trend line, you know. If I I just did the math in q1, uh, our industrial, we had a very good quarter in industrial growing at the rate that you've mentioned, but still 15% lower than the peak that was back in, um, in 2022.
Speaker #2: Hopefully, that helps.
Speaker #3: Do you have a follow-up, Vivek?
Speaker #5: Yes. Thank you, Mike. So last year, we saw the overall analog industry do very well in the first half. And then there were some level of deceleration in the second half, I realize every year is different.
Haviv Ilan: All of them, not only the data center related, energy infrastructure or power delivery, not only aerospace and defense, and we know the geopolitical tensions in the market is establishing new peaks every quarter. I saw it across all sectors, in industrial, and also across all customers, in terms of regions, but also the size of customers. It's the first quarter where we saw the broad market, as we call it, the tail, starting to wake up again after a long hibernation period, I would call it. I am encouraged about the fact that we are seeing growth over there, but I think there is, I would like to see a secular growth in industrial continuing and then higher peaks establishing in 2026 or later versus the 2022 peaks. In that sense, trend line are suggesting we still have room to go. Hopefully that helps.
Haviv Ilan: All of them, not only the data center related, energy infrastructure or power delivery, not only aerospace and defense, and we know the geopolitical tensions in the market is establishing new peaks every quarter. I saw it across all sectors, in industrial, and also across all customers, in terms of regions, but also the size of customers. It's the first quarter where we saw the broad market, as we call it, the tail, starting to wake up again after a long hibernation period, I would call it. I am encouraged about the fact that we are seeing growth over there, but I think there is, I would like to see a secular growth in industrial continuing and then higher peaks establishing in 2026 or later versus the 2022 peaks. In that sense, trend line are suggesting we still have room to go. Hopefully that helps.
And as I say many times, there is a secular growth continuing in industrial, so we deserve a higher peak, right? Uh, four years later, so I think there is a lot of room to grow. Uh, the encouragement I will have on industrial this time is that I see it at a broader application. So all of them, not only the data center related, the energy, infrastructure, or power,
Speaker #5: And I know you're not guiding to the second half, but from what you see today, what are the puts and takes as you look at the second half versus the first half?
Speaker #5: Is there anything that could be different just given all the macro trends, memory, price, inflation, and whatnot? And as part of that, if Rafael could also help chime in with how you're managing fab loadings as you look towards the rest of the year.
Delivery, uh, not only aerospace and defense, and we know that geopolitical tensions in the market are establishing new peaks every quarter. I saw it across all sectors, uh, in industrial and also across all customers, uh, in terms of regions. But also the size of customers—it's the first quarter where we saw.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Let me start, and Rafael will follow. So first, Vivek, you're spot on, right? We had a similar let's say strong beginning of the year last year, maybe the year over year.
The broad market, as we call it, the tail is starting to wake up again after a long, um, hibernation period, I would call it. So, uh, I am encouraged about the fact that we are seeing growth over there. But I think there is
Speaker #2: Growth last year was a little lower, but it was still in the teens. And it looks like it was getting stronger. But it was whatever you want to call it, the head fake, a false start, or whatever.
Mike Beckman: You have a follow-up, Vivek?
Mike Beckman: You have a follow-up, Vivek?
I mean, I want I would like to see uh a a secular growth in industrial continuing and then higher Peaks establishing in 2026 or or later versus the 2022 P. So in that sense trend line are suggesting. Uh, we still have room to go. Hopefully that helps
Vivek Arya: Yes. Thank you, Mike. Last year, we saw the overall analog industry do very well in the H1, and then there were some level of deceleration in the H2. I've realized every year is different, and I know you're not guiding to the H2, but from what you see today, what are the puts and takes as you look at the H2 versus the H1? Is there anything that could be different just given all the macro trends, memory price inflation, and whatnot? And as part of that, if Rafael could also help chime in with how you're managing fab loadings as you look towards the rest of the year. Thank you.
Vivek Arya: Yes. Thank you, Mike. Last year, we saw the overall analog industry do very well in the H1, and then there were some level of deceleration in the H2. I've realized every year is different, and I know you're not guiding to the H2, but from what you see today, what are the puts and takes as you look at the H2 versus the H1? Is there anything that could be different just given all the macro trends, memory price inflation, and whatnot? And as part of that, if Rafael could also help chime in with how you're managing fab loadings as you look towards the rest of the year. Thank you.
Speaker #2: We had a good year in analog, but it did not accelerate in the second half. It actually slowed down a little bit, right? So I think we need to be cautious.
Speaker #2: I think Mike mentioned it. There is geopolitics. There is a macro that we are watching. On the other hand, there is secular growth in our market.
Speaker #2: So in the long term, I'm still very optimistic. We want to play it quarter by quarter. That's part of the way we have guided our 5.2 billion dollars in the midpoint.
Speaker #2: Let's let 2Q play out. And we'll call it as we see it. I remind you that the way we support our customers, the way we go to market, we go we serve our customers direct.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, let me start and Rafael will follow. First, Vivek, you're spot on, right? We had a similar, let's say, strong beginning of the year last year. Maybe the year-over-year growth last year was a little lower, but it was still in the teens, and it looks like it was getting stronger, but it was, whatever you want to call it, a head fake, a false start, or whatever. We had a good year in Analog, but it did not accelerate in H2. It actually slowed down a little bit, right? I think we need to be cautious. I think Mike mentioned it. There is geopolitics, there is the macro that we are watching. On the other hand, there is secular growth in our market. In the long term, I'm still very optimistic. We want to play it quarter by quarter.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, let me start and Rafael will follow. First, Vivek, you're spot on, right? We had a similar, let's say, strong beginning of the year last year. Maybe the year-over-year growth last year was a little lower, but it was still in the teens, and it looks like it was getting stronger, but it was, whatever you want to call it, a head fake, a false start, or whatever. We had a good year in Analog, but it did not accelerate in H2. It actually slowed down a little bit, right? I think we need to be cautious. I think Mike mentioned it. There is geopolitics, there is the macro that we are watching. On the other hand, there is secular growth in our market. In the long term, I'm still very optimistic. We want to play it quarter by quarter.
Give a follow-up in the back. Yes, uh, thank you, Mike. So, uh, last year, we, you know, we saw the overall analog industry do very well in the first half, and then there was some level of deceleration in the second half. I realize every year is different, and I know you're not guiding to the second half, but from what you see today, you know, what are the puts and takes as you look at the second half versus the first half? Is there anything that could be different just given, right, all the macro trends, memory price inflation, and whatnot? And as part of that, if Rasar could also help chime in with how you are managing, uh, fab loadings as you look towards the rest of the year. Thank you.
Speaker #2: We have very friendly customer terms. So we see the buildup of demand as we go, almost real-time. And I want to see let's let 2Q play out and see if this growth is sustainable.
Yeah, let me start in. Rafael will follow. So first your your spot on, right? We had a similar, uh, let's say uh strong beginning of the year last year. Maybe maybe the year of the year. Um growth. The last year was a little lower, uh, but it was still in the teens and uh, it looks like it was getting stronger but
Speaker #2: That's the biggest question I have for myself for the second half. But at least the fact that industrial is still trending below previous peaks and the secular growth in data center and, of course, the content growth in automotive makes me feel optimistic about the long-term.
Speaker #2: Rafael, can you comment about loadings?
Speaker #4: Yeah. I'll just add that we have the capacity in the inventory that we're well positioned on both of those, to handle a wide range of scenarios in the upturn.
Haviv Ilan: That's part of the way we have guided our $5.2 billion in the midpoint. Let's let Q2 play out, and we'll call it as we see it. I remind you that the way we support our customers, the way we go to market, we serve our customers direct. We have very friendly customer terms. So we see the buildup of demand as we go, almost real time. I want to see, let's let Q2 play out and see if this growth is sustainable. That's the biggest question I have for myself for the H2. At least the fact that industrial is still trending below previous peaks, the secular growth in data center, and, of course, the content growth in automotive, makes me feel optimistic about the long term. Rafael, can you comment about loadings?
Haviv Ilan: That's part of the way we have guided our $5.2 billion in the midpoint. Let's let Q2 play out, and we'll call it as we see it. I remind you that the way we support our customers, the way we go to market, we serve our customers direct. We have very friendly customer terms. So we see the buildup of demand as we go, almost real time. I want to see, let's let Q2 play out and see if this growth is sustainable. That's the biggest question I have for myself for the H2. At least the fact that industrial is still trending below previous peaks, the secular growth in data center, and, of course, the content growth in automotive, makes me feel optimistic about the long term. Rafael, can you comment about loadings?
You know secular growth in our market. So in in the long term I'm still very optimistic. We want to play a quarter by quarter, that's part of the way we have you know, guided
Speaker #3: All right. Vivek, thank you so much for the questions. I'll move on to our next caller.
$5.2 billion in the midpoint. Let's let, uh, Q2 play out and we'll call it as we see it. I remind you that the way we support our customers, with the way we go to market, we go, we serve our customers direct.
Speaker #5: Our next question is from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.
Speaker #6: Great. Thank you. Yeah. On the topic of fab loading, can you talk about what's going to happen with inventory over the course of Q2?
Uh, we have very, uh, friendly, uh, you know, customer terms. So we see, uh, the build-up of demand as we go, almost real time.
Speaker #6: And are you seeing incremental gross margins off of Q1 that are sort of better than normal, worse than normal, just normal, just what are the dynamics around that transition?
And I want to see want, let's let 2q play out and see if this growth is sustainable. That's the biggest question I have for myself for the second half.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Again, we're well positioned on inventory. The objective of inventory is to maintain high levels of customer service, keep lead times short and stable, and we are accomplishing that.
but at least the the fact that the industrial is is still trending below previous Peaks and the secular growth in, um,
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. I'll just add that we have the capacity and the inventory. We're well positioned on both of those to handle a wide range of scenarios in this upturn.
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. I'll just add that we have the capacity and the inventory. We're well positioned on both of those to handle a wide range of scenarios in this upturn.
Speaker #4: So we feel very good as to where those are, and we'll continue to determine what makes sense from a loadings and inventory standpoint throughout the quarter to handle any range of scenarios.
In, uh, Data Center, and of course, the content growth in automotive, it makes me feel optimistic about the long-term, Rafael. Can you comment about loadings? Yeah, uh,
I understand that we have the capacity and the inventory—uh, we're well positioned on both of those to handle a wide range, uh, of scenarios, uh, in this upturn.
Mike Beckman: All right. Vivek, thank you so much for the questions. I'll move on to our next caller.
Mike Beckman: All right. Vivek, thank you so much for the questions. I'll move on to our next caller.
Speaker #2: And Joe, just to add on that, you and I talked a month ago we saw a rapid growth in Q1. And inventory serves us well, right?
All right, so that thank you so much for the questions. Uh, I'll move on to our next caller.
Operator: Our next question is from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.
Operator: Our next question is from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.
Speaker #2: We've depleted some of it. We've served our customers real-time, according to their demand. And we just want to see how sustainable that would be.
Our next question is from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley.
Joe Moore: Great. Thank you. Yeah. On the topic of fab loading, can you talk about what's going to happen with inventory over the course of Q2, and are you seeing incremental gross margins off of Q1 that are sort of better than normal, worse than normal or just normal? Just what are the dynamics around that transition?
Joe Moore: Great. Thank you. Yeah. On the topic of fab loading, can you talk about what's going to happen with inventory over the course of Q2, and are you seeing incremental gross margins off of Q1 that are sort of better than normal, worse than normal or just normal? Just what are the dynamics around that transition?
Speaker #2: But as Rafael said, even if the market wants to have a very rapid growth and maybe catch up to trend line even quicker, we are well positioned.
Speaker #2: Of course, we are in this phase three on the fabs. And we can modulate more starts there. We have the capacity. We may make some incremental investments on the 80s because we are seeing on the assembly and test side a little bit of a tighter environment, at least externally.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, again, we're well positioned on inventory. The objective of inventory is to maintain high levels of customer service, keep lead times short and stable, and we are accomplishing that. We feel very good as to where those are and we'll continue to determine what makes sense from a loadings and inventory standpoint throughout the quarter to handle any range of scenarios. Joe, just to add on that, you and I talked a month ago. We saw a rapid growth in Q1, and inventory served us well, right? We've depleted some of it. We've served our customers real time according to their demand, and we just want to see how sustainable that would be. As Rafael said, if the market wants to have a very rapid growth and maybe catch up to trend line even quicker. We are well positioned.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, again, we're well positioned on inventory. The objective of inventory is to maintain high levels of customer service, keep lead times short and stable, and we are accomplishing that. We feel very good as to where those are and we'll continue to determine what makes sense from a loadings and inventory standpoint throughout the quarter to handle any range of scenarios. Joe, just to add on that, you and I talked a month ago. We saw a rapid growth in Q1, and inventory served us well, right? We've depleted some of it. We've served our customers real time according to their demand, and we just want to see how sustainable that would be. As Rafael said, if the market wants to have a very rapid growth and maybe catch up to trend line even quicker. We are well positioned.
Great, thank you. Yeah, on the topic of fat loading, can you talk about what's going to happen with inventory over the course of Q2? And, you know, are you seeing incremental gross margins off of Q1 that are sort of better than normal, worse than normal, or just normal? Just what are the dynamics around that transition?
Speaker #2: So as you know, we've brought most of our supply internally. And we have that knob as well. We are very excited about the fact that we are prepared.
Speaker #2: If the market wants to grow at the same rate of Q1, we mentioned 19% year over year. We are ready. If it wants to accelerate, we are ready as well.
Speaker #3: All right. Joe, do you have a follow-up? Joe, do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #6: Well, just on the just my question was also on the gross margin aspect of that. Do you is the incremental gross margin going to look normal, or is there some part of inventory management that makes it less or more?
Speaker #4: Yeah. No, the fall-through that you should expect is in the 75 to 85 percent that we have guided. That's excluding depreciation over a long term.
Haviv Ilan: Of course, we are in this phase three on the fabs, and we can modulate more starts there. We have the capacity. We may make some incremental investments on the A&Ts because we are seeing on the assembly and test side a little bit of a tighter environment, at least externally. So as you know, we've brought most of our supply internally, and we have that knob as well. We are very excited about the fact that we are prepared. If the market wants to grow at the same rate of Q1, we mentioned 19% year over year, we are ready. If it wants to accelerate, we are ready as well.
Haviv Ilan: Of course, we are in this phase three on the fabs, and we can modulate more starts there. We have the capacity. We may make some incremental investments on the A&Ts because we are seeing on the assembly and test side a little bit of a tighter environment, at least externally. So as you know, we've brought most of our supply internally, and we have that knob as well. We are very excited about the fact that we are prepared. If the market wants to grow at the same rate of Q1, we mentioned 19% year over year, we are ready. If it wants to accelerate, we are ready as well.
Yeah, again, we're well positioned and inventory, uh, the objective of inventories to, uh, maintain high levels of customer service. Keep lead Times short and stable in, uh, and we are accomplishing that. Uh, so we, uh, we feel very good, uh, as to where, uh, where those are and we will continue to, uh, to uh, uh, to determine what makes sense from a loadings, and inventory standpoint throughout the quarter, to handle any, any range of scenarios and Joe, just to add on that that you. And I talked a month ago, uh, you know, we saw a rapid growth in q1 and and inventory serves as well, right? We've depleted, some of it, we've sold our customers real time, according to their demand. And we just want to see how sustainable that would be. But as Rafael said, if even if the market wants to have a very rapid growth and maybe catch up to trend line even quicker. We are, well, positioned, of course, we, we are in this phase 3 on the, on the Fabs and we can modulate 4 stars there.
Speaker #4: But on a year-on-year basis, if you look at our midpoint on EPS and revenue, and make the right assumptions on OPEX and other lines, you should get to a good to a reasonable assumption on gross margins.
Speaker #4: And it will be in that fall-through that we have guided.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thanks for the questions. Moving on to our next caller.
Speaker #5: Our next question is from Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research.
Mike Beckman: All right. Joe, do you have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: All right. Joe, do you have a follow-up?
We have the capacity. You know, when we may make some incremental Investments on the 80s, uh, because we are seeing on the assembly and test side a little bit of a tighter environment at least externally. So as you know, we've brought most of our, uh, Supply internally, and we have that that knob as well. Uh, we are very excited about the fact that, um, you know, we are prepared, uh, if the market wants to grow the same rate of of q1, we mentioned 90% over here, we are ready. If it wants to accelerate, we are ready as well.
Joe Moore: Thank you.
Joe Moore: Thank you.
All right, Jody Paul.
Speaker #2: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to dig into that gross margin point, if I sort of I mean, I typically think of your OPEX up, what, a couple of points in Q2.
Mike Beckman: Joe, do you have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: Joe, do you have a follow-up?
Joe Moore: Well, my question was also on the gross margin aspect of that. Is the incremental gross margin going to look normal, or is there some part of inventory management that makes it less or more?
Joe Moore: Well, my question was also on the gross margin aspect of that. Is the incremental gross margin going to look normal, or is there some part of inventory management that makes it less or more?
Jody, do you have a follow-up? Oh, well. Just on the—on the...
Speaker #2: I come out with a gross margin implicit in the guidance, maybe low to mid-59% up from 58. And it's up, I don't know, 100 or 150 bips year over year on a pretty material revenue growth.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, no, the flow-through that you should expect is in the 75% to 85% that we have guided. That's excluding depreciation over a long term. On a year-on-year basis, if you look at our midpoint on EPS and revenue and make the right assumptions on OPEX and other lines, you should get to a reasonable assumption on gross margins. It will be in that flow-through that we have guided.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, no, the flow-through that you should expect is in the 75% to 85% that we have guided. That's excluding depreciation over a long term. On a year-on-year basis, if you look at our midpoint on EPS and revenue and make the right assumptions on OPEX and other lines, you should get to a reasonable assumption on gross margins. It will be in that flow-through that we have guided.
Just my question was also on the gross margin aspect of that. Do you—is the incremental gross margin going to look normal? Or is there some part of inventory management that makes it, you know, lesser or more?
Speaker #2: Part of me would almost expect it, the incremental gross margin to be higher given the revenue growth. But maybe is the differential just like the increase in depreciation, or how should I be thinking about the different drivers of gross margin into Q2?
Speaker #2: Qualitatively, if not quantitatively, if you don't want to give us a quantitative.
Speaker #4: Yeah. So Stacy, to help you out a little bit, your OPEX assumption was not a bad one. So you should expect some growth in OPEX first to second.
Mike Beckman: Okay, thank you.
Mike Beckman: Okay, thank you.
Ya know, the, the fall through that you should expect is in the 75 to 85%, uh, that we have guided, that's excluding depreciation over over a long term, but, uh, but on a year-on-year basis, if you look at our midpoint on EPs and and revenue, uh, and make the the right assumptions on Opex and other lines, you should get to, uh, to a good, uh, uh, to a reasonable, uh, assumption on Gross margins. And it's uh, and it will be in that uh, in that folder that we have guided.
Mike Beckman: All right, thank you for the questions. Moving on to our next caller. Our next question is from Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research.
Mike Beckman: All right, thank you for the questions. Moving on to our next caller. Our next question is from Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research.
Great, thank you. Thank you for the questions. Uh, moving on to our next caller.
Speaker #4: Maybe what you're missing is the acquisition charges line. You should expect to continue to have charges there every quarter at the tune of what we just reported in first quarter.
Our next question is from Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research.
Stacy Rasgon: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to dig into that gross margin point. I typically think of your OPEX up, what, a couple of points in Q2? I come out with a gross margin implicit in the guidance, maybe low to mid 59%, up from 58%. It's up, I don't know, 100 or 150 bits year over year on a pretty material revenue growth. Part of me would almost expect it, the incremental gross margin to be higher given the revenue growth. Maybe is the differential just like the increase in depreciation? Or how should I be thinking about the different drivers of gross margin into Q2? Qualitatively, not quantitatively, if you don't want to give us a quantitative.
Stacy Rasgon: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to dig into that gross margin point. I typically think of your OPEX up, what, a couple of points in Q2? I come out with a gross margin implicit in the guidance, maybe low to mid 59%, up from 58%. It's up, I don't know, 100 or 150 bits year over year on a pretty material revenue growth. Part of me would almost expect it, the incremental gross margin to be higher given the revenue growth. Maybe is the differential just like the increase in depreciation? Or how should I be thinking about the different drivers of gross margin into Q2? Qualitatively, not quantitatively, if you don't want to give us a quantitative.
Speaker #4: We should continue we'll continue having those there every quarter until we close, at which time there'll be a lot higher. At close, and then there'll be steady after that for a number of years.
Speaker #4: But for now, for second quarter, just assume somewhere in the range of what we just reported on the acquisition line. When you do that, you'll get a gross margin assumption that should make sense.
Hi guys, um, thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to dig into that—the gross margin point. If I sort of—I mean, I typically think of your OpEx up, what, a couple of points in Q2. I come out with a gross margin implicit in the guidance, maybe, you know, low to mid 59%, up from 58%.
Um, and it's not, I don't know, 100 or 15,050 over here on a pretty material revenue growth. Like, part of me would almost expect it.
Speaker #3: All right. Do you have a follow-up, Stacy? Or do you have a question?
Speaker #2: I do. Thanks. Maybe to ask about the acquisition itself, not the deals, but I know you've talked about it being a creative you guys are one of the few, if not maybe the only company in my coverage, certainly, that still does a pure gap earnings.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Stacy, to help you out a little bit, your OPEX assumption was not a bad one. You should expect some growth in OPEX Q1 to Q2. Maybe what you're missing is the acquisition charges line. You should expect to continue to have charges there every quarter to the tune of what we just reported in Q1. We'll continue having those there every quarter until we close, at which time they'll be a lot higher at close, and then they'll be steady after that for a number of years. For now, for Q2, just assume somewhere in the range of what we just reported on the acquisition line. When you do that, you'll get a gross margin assumption that should make sense.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Stacy, to help you out a little bit, your OPEX assumption was not a bad one. You should expect some growth in OPEX Q1 to Q2. Maybe what you're missing is the acquisition charges line. You should expect to continue to have charges there every quarter to the tune of what we just reported in Q1. We'll continue having those there every quarter until we close, at which time they'll be a lot higher at close, and then they'll be steady after that for a number of years. For now, for Q2, just assume somewhere in the range of what we just reported on the acquisition line. When you do that, you'll get a gross margin assumption that should make sense.
Speaker #2: And I even remember when you bought Natsemi, you did pro forma for a little while and then kind of said, "This is stupid. We're going back to gap." You guys make whatever adjustments you want to make.
Speaker #2: What are your intentions for how you're going to report once you do close a slab? Because I have a hard time getting it accretive on a gap basis.
Speaker #2: Are you going to be going to a pro forma, or how should we be thinking about that?
Speaker #4: I think in right now is we will do gap, but we'll give you all the pieces that you need to do your own non-gap in whichever way you want to do that.
Speaker #4: So we'll have the acquisition charges line, for example, you can take that out if you like, and not count it. Once we're on a runway basis, all those will be non-cash.
Operator: All right. Do you have a follow-up, Stacy? Or did it make you a follow-up?
Operator: All right. Do you have a follow-up, Stacy? Or did it make you a follow-up?
Quality is not quantitatively if you don't want to give us a a quantitative. Yeah, so Stacy to to help you out in a little bit. Uh, your Opex. Assumption was not a bad 1, so you should expect some growth in Opex first to second. Maybe what you're missing, is the acquisition charges line, you should expect to continue to have, uh, charges there. Every quarter at the tune of what we just reported in first quarter. Uh, we should continue. We'll continue having those there every quarter until we close at which time, it'll be a lot higher, uh, uh, and close. And then they'll be steady after that, uh, for a number of years. But for now for second quarter, just assume somewhere in the range of what we, uh, what we just reported on, on the acquisition line, when you do that, you'll get, uh, uh, a gross margin and assumption that that I should make sense.
Stacy Rasgon: I do. Thanks. Maybe to ask about the acquisition itself, not the deals, but I know you've talked about it being accretive. You guys are one of the few, if not maybe the only company in my coverage, certainly, that still does a pure GAAP earnings. I even remember when you bought Nat Semi, you did pro forma for a little while and then kind of said, "This is stupid. We're going back to GAAP. You guys make whatever adjustments you want to make." What are your intentions for how you're going to report once you do close Silicon Labs? Because I have a hard time getting it accretive on a GAAP basis. Are you going to be going to a pro forma, or how should we be thinking about that?
Stacy Rasgon: I do. Thanks. Maybe to ask about the acquisition itself, not the deals, but I know you've talked about it being accretive. You guys are one of the few, if not maybe the only company in my coverage, certainly, that still does a pure GAAP earnings. I even remember when you bought Nat Semi, you did pro forma for a little while and then kind of said, "This is stupid. We're going back to GAAP. You guys make whatever adjustments you want to make." What are your intentions for how you're going to report once you do close Silicon Labs? Because I have a hard time getting it accretive on a GAAP basis. Are you going to be going to a pro forma, or how should we be thinking about that?
All right, give a follow or I do. Thanks. Um
Speaker #4: But initially, they're actually some of those are cash charges, right? They're charges to cost to the bankers, the lawyers, the regulatory fees, etc. There'll be other things like the first quarter we'll have some weird transitions in gross margins and inventory.
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Maybe the the ask about the acquisition itself. Again, not not the deals. But I, I know you've talked about it being a creative. You guys are like 1 of the few. It's not maybe the only company in my coverage, certainly that still does a pure Gap earnings.
Speaker #4: As we write up the inventory that we're buying, so we'll give you all those pieces. That way, you can do the non-gap analysis yourself.
And I even remember when you bought Natsi, you did pro forma for a little while and then kind of said, this is stupid. We're going back to GAAP. You guys, make whatever adjustments you want to make. What are your intentions?
Speaker #3: Thanks for the question, Stacy. Moving on to our next caller, please.
Speaker #5: Our next question is from Ross Seymour with Georgia Bank.
Haviv Ilan: Our thinking right now is we will do GAAP, but we'll give you all the pieces that you need to do your own non-GAAP in whichever way you want to do that. We'll have the acquisition charges line, for example. You can take that out if you like and not count it. Once we're on a run rate basis, all those will be non-cash. Initially, some of those are cash charges. They're charges to costs to the bankers, the lawyers, the regulatory fees, et cetera. There'll be other things, like Q1 will have some weird transitions in gross margins and inventory as we write up the inventory that we're buying. We'll give you all those pieces. That way, you can do the non-GAAP analysis yourself.
Haviv Ilan: Our thinking right now is we will do GAAP, but we'll give you all the pieces that you need to do your own non-GAAP in whichever way you want to do that. We'll have the acquisition charges line, for example. You can take that out if you like and not count it. Once we're on a run rate basis, all those will be non-cash. Initially, some of those are cash charges. They're charges to costs to the bankers, the lawyers, the regulatory fees, et cetera. There'll be other things, like Q1 will have some weird transitions in gross margins and inventory as we write up the inventory that we're buying. We'll give you all those pieces. That way, you can do the non-GAAP analysis yourself.
For how you're going to report once you do close slab—because I have a hard time getting it accretive on a GAAP basis. Are you going to be going to a pro forma, or how should we be thinking about that?
Speaker #7: Hi, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a couple of questions. I guess the first one is, given the strength that you saw, I guess, what was the biggest surprise versus the midpoint of your guide in the first quarter?
Speaker #7: And was pricing part of the strength in either of the quarter of the guide?
Speaker #2: Yeah. Let me start maybe with pricing, and then we can chat a little bit more about what happened in the quarter. I think we answered it, but I'll repeat the same messages.
Speaker #2: In terms of pricing, I think we said in the last quarter, we don't expect pricing to help the growth, at least not sequential or year over year.
Speaker #2: And that was the case. But it was better than our model. Usually, Q1 pricing is a couple of points down, call it the low single digits down year over year, and also sequentially because usually, the price agreements, they kick in in the beginning of the year.
Speaker #2: So the quarter behaved a little better. We had pricing was just stable, flat. If you will, like-for-like, both sequentially, Q4 to Q1, and also year on year, 1Q26 versus 1Q25.
Operator: Thanks for the question, Stacy.
Mike Beckman: Thanks for the question, Stacy.
You know, I thinking right now is we will do Gap but we'll do. We'll give you all the pieces that that you need to do your own, uh, non-gaap in. Whichever way you want to do that. So we'll have the acquisition charges line for example, uh, you can you can take that out if you like and not count it. Uh, once once we're on a, on a, on a run rate basis, all those will be non-cash, but initially they're actually some of those are cash charges, right? They're charges to uh cost to the bankers, the the lawyers, the regulatory fees, Etc. Um, there'll be other things like uh the first quarter will have some weird transitions in Gross margins and inventory as we would write up the uh the inventory that we're buying. So we'll give you all those pieces. That way you can do the uh the the uh non-gaap analysis yourself.
Stacy Rasgon: Thank you.
Stacy Rasgon: Thank you.
Mike Beckman: Moving on to our next caller, please. Our next question is from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank.
Operator: Moving on to our next caller, please. Our next question is from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank.
Thanks for the question. Thank you.
Moving on to our next caller, please.
Speaker #2: So that helped a little bit. And I expect Q2 to be very similar to Ross. Just the way we work with our customers, these are discussions that are not happening immediately.
Our next question is, from Roth Seymour with Deutsche Bank.
Ross Seymore: Hi, guys. Thanks. Let me ask a couple of questions. I guess the first one is, given the strength that you saw, I guess, what was the biggest surprise versus the midpoint of your guide in Q1, and was pricing part of the strength in either Q1 or the guide?
Ross Seymore: Hi, guys. Thanks. Let me ask a couple of questions. I guess the first one is, given the strength that you saw, I guess, what was the biggest surprise versus the midpoint of your guide in Q1, and was pricing part of the strength in either Q1 or the guide?
Speaker #2: We serve them direct, and I will mention that as I look at the year, if demand and right now, the demand signals are strong.
Hi guys. Thanks for asking a couple of questions. I guess the first one is, given the strength that you saw, what was the biggest surprise versus the midpoint of your guide in the first quarter, and was pricing part of the strength in either the quarter or the guide?
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Let me start maybe with pricing, and then we can chat a little bit more about what happened in the quarter. I think we answered it, but I'll repeat the same messages. In terms of pricing, I think we said in the last quarter, we don't expect pricing to help the growth, at least not sequential or year over year, and that was the case. It was better than our model. Usually Q1 pricing is a couple of points down, call it the low single digits down year over year and also sequentially, because usually the price agreements, they kick in in the beginning of the year. The quarter behaved a little better. Pricing was just stable, flat, if you will, like for like, both sequentially Q4 to Q1 and also year on year, Q1 2026 versus Q1 2025. That helped a little bit.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Let me start maybe with pricing, and then we can chat a little bit more about what happened in the quarter. I think we answered it, but I'll repeat the same messages. In terms of pricing, I think we said in the last quarter, we don't expect pricing to help the growth, at least not sequential or year over year, and that was the case. It was better than our model. Usually Q1 pricing is a couple of points down, call it the low single digits down year over year and also sequentially, because usually the price agreements, they kick in in the beginning of the year. The quarter behaved a little better. Pricing was just stable, flat, if you will, like for like, both sequentially Q4 to Q1 and also year on year, Q1 2026 versus Q1 2025. That helped a little bit.
Speaker #2: If demand continues to be strong and we are monitoring the market price and there is definitely at least an average price increase, in the last several months, across the analog market, I think it's likely that prices may go up in the second half of the year.
Speaker #2: Again, this is going to be a case-by-case discussion in our case, but that's a pricing environment as I see it right now. And again, it's always a function of supply and demand and the unknown for me right now is the sustainability of demand.
Speaker #2: So I want to see it playing out one more quarter and then we'll figure out for the second half. So high-level, not immediate support on growth, both sequentially and year over year, on pricing.
Yeah, let me let me start maybe with pricing and then we can set a little bit more about what happened in the quarter. I I think we answered it but I I'll repeat the same message as the the price. I think. We said in the last quarter, we don't expect pricing to to help the growth at least, not sequentially or year over year and that was the case but it was better than our model like like usually q1 pricing is a couple of points down. Call it the low single digits down over here and also sequentially because usually the the price agreements they kick in in the beginning of the year. Uh, so the quarter behaved a little better. Uh we had pricing was the stable flat uh if you would like for like both sequentially Q4 to q1 and also
Haviv Ilan: I expect Q2 to be very similar, Ross. Just the way we work with our customers, these are discussions that are not happening immediately. We serve them direct. I will mention that as I look at the year, if demand continues, and right now the demand signals are strong. If demand continues to be strong, and we are monitoring the market price, and there is definitely at least an average price increase in the last several months across the analog market. I think it's likely that prices may go up in H2. Again, this is going to be a case-by-case discussion in our case, but that's a pricing environment as I see it right now. It's always a function of supply and demand, and the unknown for me right now is the sustainability of demand.
Haviv Ilan: I expect Q2 to be very similar, Ross. Just the way we work with our customers, these are discussions that are not happening immediately. We serve them direct. I will mention that as I look at the year, if demand continues, and right now the demand signals are strong. If demand continues to be strong, and we are monitoring the market price, and there is definitely at least an average price increase in the last several months across the analog market. I think it's likely that prices may go up in H2. Again, this is going to be a case-by-case discussion in our case, but that's a pricing environment as I see it right now. It's always a function of supply and demand, and the unknown for me right now is the sustainability of demand.
Year-on-year, Q1 '26 versus Q1 '25, so that helped a little bit.
Speaker #2: Now, what we have seen is just breadth of demand, right? What I said before, multiple sectors or all sectors, all regions, all types of customers, small, large.
Speaker #2: And supported by a data center market where we do pretty well, I think our portfolio is growing. I believe we are fulfilling customer demands at the highest level.
Q2 to be very similar, Ross. Uh, just the way we work with our customers. Um, these are discussions that are not happening immediately, we serve them direct and I will mention that as I look at the year, if, you know, demand—and right now the demand signals are strong—if the demand continues to be
Speaker #2: We have no shortages, and it allows us, I believe, to over time, at least, take market share over there. So that's, I think, what drove Q1.
To be strong, and we are monitoring the market price. And there is definitely, um, at least an average price increase, you know, in the last several months across the analog market.
Speaker #2: I expect a similar behavior in Q2, and the second half of the year is still unknown. We are seeing as I mentioned before, higher tension on the analog side.
Uh, I think it's likely that prices may go up in the second half of the year. Uh, again, this is going to be a case-by-case discussion in our case. But, um,
Haviv Ilan: I want to see it playing out one more quarter, and then we'll figure out for the H2. High level, not immediate support on growth, both sequentially and year-over-year on pricing. Now, what we have seen is just breadth of demand, right? What I said before, multiple sectors or all sectors, all regions, all types of customers, small, large, and supported by a data center market where we do pretty well. I think our portfolio is growing. I believe we are fulfilling customer demands at the highest level. We have no shortages, and it allows us, I believe, to over time, at least, take market share over there. That's, I think, what drove Q1. I expect a similar behavior in Q2, and the H2 of the year is still unknown. We are seeing, as I mentioned before, a higher tension on the analog side.
Haviv Ilan: I want to see it playing out one more quarter, and then we'll figure out for the H2. High level, not immediate support on growth, both sequentially and year-over-year on pricing. Now, what we have seen is just breadth of demand, right? What I said before, multiple sectors or all sectors, all regions, all types of customers, small, large, and supported by a data center market where we do pretty well. I think our portfolio is growing. I believe we are fulfilling customer demands at the highest level. We have no shortages, and it allows us, I believe, to over time, at least, take market share over there. That's, I think, what drove Q1. I expect a similar behavior in Q2, and the H2 of the year is still unknown. We are seeing, as I mentioned before, a higher tension on the analog side.
Speaker #2: I think we see strength over there. And I think we are unique in the setup in the sense that we have the capacity, we have the inventory, and we are well positioned to support customers at the highest level.
Speaker #3: Do you have a follow-up, Ross?
Speaker #7: Yeah, I do. One of the concerns people have, and it doesn't sound like in the strong reporting guide that you guys are seeing it, but one of the concerns people had was more consumer-oriented and market-seeing demand destruction with higher memory costs, memory availability, those sorts of things.
That's a pricing environment as I see it right now and again it's always a function of supply and demand. And the unknown for me right now is a sustainability of demand. So I want to see it playing out 1 more quarter and and then we'll figure out for the second half. So high level, not immediate support on growth, both sequentially in year-over-year on pricing. Now what we have seen is uh just um breath of Demand, right? Uh, what I said before, multiple sectors or all sectors, all regions, all type of customers, small large.
Speaker #7: Are you seeing any evidence of that? Your personal electronics segment seemed like it was well better than normal seasonal in the first quarter. I suspect that's where it would arise if it were to arise.
Speaker #7: And so I just wondered if you guys have seen any evidence of that across your business.
Speaker #2: High level, we have not, although customers are very aware of it. But I think they are doing well preparing themselves. And I'll let my comment about the personal electronics market.
Fulfilling customer demands at the highest level, we have no shortages, and it allows us, I believe, to over time at least take market share over there. So, that's I think what drove Q1.
Speaker #4: Yeah. I think it's also important to remember that fourth quarter last year was a pretty easy compare for the sequential transition for PE. And on a year-on-year, it's about flat.
Haviv Ilan: I think we see strength over there, and I think we are unique in the setup in the sense that we have the capacity, we have the inventory, and we are well-positioned to support customers at the highest level.
Haviv Ilan: I think we see strength over there, and I think we are unique in the setup in the sense that we have the capacity, we have the inventory, and we are well-positioned to support customers at the highest level.
Um, I expect a similar behavior in Q2. Uh, and the second half of the year is still unknown. Uh, we are seeing um, as I mentioned before a higher tension, on the analog side. I think we see strength over there.
Speaker #4: So again, if that was happening, I don't know that you could point to those results as evidence of that. But again, you can't rule that out.
And I think we are unique in the setup, in the sense that we have the capacity, we have the inventory.
Mike Beckman: You have a follow-up, Ross?
Mike Beckman: You have a follow-up, Ross?
And we are well-positioned to support customers at the highest level.
You have a follow-up, Ross.
Ross Seymore: Yeah, I do. One of the concerns people have, and it doesn't sound like in the strong report and guide that you guys are seeing it, but one of the concerns people had was more consumer-oriented and marketing demand destruction with higher memory costs, memory availability, those sorts of things. Are you seeing any evidence of that? Your Personal Electronics segment seemed like it was well better than normal seasonal in Q1. I suspect that's where it would arise if it were to arise. I just wondered if you guys have seen any evidence of that across your business.
Ross Seymore: Yeah, I do. One of the concerns people have, and it doesn't sound like in the strong report and guide that you guys are seeing it, but one of the concerns people had was more consumer-oriented and marketing demand destruction with higher memory costs, memory availability, those sorts of things. Are you seeing any evidence of that? Your Personal Electronics segment seemed like it was well better than normal seasonal in Q1. I suspect that's where it would arise if it were to arise. I just wondered if you guys have seen any evidence of that across your business.
Speaker #4: Actually, I think moving on to our next caller. Thank you, Ross.
Speaker #7: Thanks, Ross.
Speaker #5: Our next question is from Tore Svanberg with Stifel.
Speaker #8: Yes. Thank you. And congrats on the strong results. Habib, I was hoping to zoom in on data center and specifically power it's a great market, great opportunity.
Speaker #8: It's also very competitive. And I'm just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the moats here as we go into the next few years that TI has.
Yeah, I do. Uh, one of the concerns people have—and it doesn't sound like, in the strong reporting guide, that you guys are seeing it—but one of the concerns people had was more consumer-oriented and marketing demand destruction with higher memory costs, memory availability, those sorts of things. Are you seeing any evidence of that? Your personal electronics segment seemed like it was, well, better than normal seasonal in the first quarter. I suspect that's where it would arise if it were to arise, and so I just wondered if you guys have seen any evidence of that, uh, across your business.
Haviv Ilan: High level, we have not, although customers are very aware of it, but I think they are doing well preparing themselves. I'll let Mike comment about the personal electronics market.
Haviv Ilan: High level, we have not, although customers are very aware of it, but I think they are doing well preparing themselves. I'll let Mike comment about the personal electronics market.
Speaker #8: I do assume your manufacturing footprint will be an important element of that. But any other color you could add on TI's positioning in power semis, especially with data center next few years?
Mike Beckman: Yeah. I think it's also important to remember that Q4 last year was a pretty easy compare for the sequential transition for PE. On a year-on-year, it's about flat. Again, if that was happening, I don't know that you could point to those results as evidence of that, but again, you can't rule that out. Actually, I think moving on to our next caller. Thank you, Ross.
Mike Beckman: Yeah. I think it's also important to remember that Q4 last year was a pretty easy compare for the sequential transition for PE. On a year-on-year, it's about flat. Again, if that was happening, I don't know that you could point to those results as evidence of that, but again, you can't rule that out. Actually, I think moving on to our next caller.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Tore, I think look, power in general is very, very important to data centers, as we know, and specifically power density. And we talk about both the just think about the amount of power or the energy you have to drive into these systems.
High level. We have not, although customers are very aware of it, but I think they are doing well preparing themselves and I I let my comment about the, the personal electronics Market. Yeah, I I think it's also important to remember that fourth quarter last year was or, you know, pretty easy compared for the sequential transition for PE and on a year-on-year, you know, it's it's about flat. So again, if that was happening, I don't know if you could point to those results as evidence of that, but again, you can't rule that out.
Speaker #2: You need a lot of silicon to withstand it, right? So that implies on the importance of power electronics. And TI is well positioned. What I like about our position is this combination.
Haviv Ilan: Thanks, Ross.
Haviv Ilan: Thanks, Ross.
You know, but actually, I can move on to our next caller. Thank you, Ross. Thanks, Ross.
Operator: Our next question is from Tore Svanberg with Stifel.
Operator: Our next question is from Tore Svanberg with Stifel.
Our next question is from Tori Sondberg with DeFel.
Tore Svanberg: Yes, thank you, and congrats on the strong results. Haviv, I was hoping to zoom in on data center and specifically power. It's a great market, great opportunity. It's also very competitive. I'm just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the moats here as we go into the next few years that TI has. I do assume your manufacturing footprint will be an important element of that, but any other color you could add on TI's positioning in power semis, especially with data center next few years?
Tore Svanberg: Yes, thank you, and congrats on the strong results. Haviv, I was hoping to zoom in on data center and specifically power. It's a great market, great opportunity. It's also very competitive. I'm just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the moats here as we go into the next few years that TI has. I do assume your manufacturing footprint will be an important element of that, but any other color you could add on TI's positioning in power semis, especially with data center next few years?
Speaker #2: And that's, by the way, it's true for every market. But in data center, I think there is a lot of attention to the what I call application-specific sockets.
Speaker #2: You can call it stage one, stage two, the VRM, the last the V-core that these GPUs they need power delivery at the highest level, very complex parts, multi-phase power delivery, etc.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, Tore, I think, look, power in general is very, very important to data centers as we know, and specifically power density. We talk about both. Just think about the amount of power or the energy you have to drive into these systems. You need a lot of silicon to withstand it, right? That implies on the importance of power electronics, and TI is well-positioned. What I like about our position is this combination. That's, by the way, is true for every market. In data center, I think there is a lot of attention to the, what I call application-specific sockets. You can call it stage one, stage two, the VRM, the Vcore, these GPUs, they need the power delivery at the highest level, very complex parts, multi-phase power delivery, et cetera. There is also a lot of general purpose parts in a rack.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, Tore, I think, look, power in general is very, very important to data centers as we know, and specifically power density. We talk about both. Just think about the amount of power or the energy you have to drive into these systems. You need a lot of silicon to withstand it, right? That implies on the importance of power electronics, and TI is well-positioned. What I like about our position is this combination. That's, by the way, is true for every market. In data center, I think there is a lot of attention to the, what I call application-specific sockets. You can call it stage one, stage two, the VRM, the Vcore, these GPUs, they need the power delivery at the highest level, very complex parts, multi-phase power delivery, et cetera. There is also a lot of general purpose parts in a rack.
Yes, thank you. And congrats on the strong results. Um, haviv was something to zoom in, on, on Data Center and specifically power. Um, it's it's, it's a great Market, great opportunity. It's also very competitive, um, and I'm just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the modes here, as we go into the next few years, the ti has, I do assume your manufacturing footprint, will be an important element of that. But, you know, any other color you could, um, add on TI's positioning in power semis, especially with data center next. Next, 2 years,
Speaker #2: And there is also a lot of general-purpose parts in a rack. I would say tens of thousands of them, lots of different SKUs. And this is where our general-purpose portfolio is amazing.
Speaker #2: We can fulfill, I would say, almost every analog socket on these racks. And I think we are very unique in that point, not only because of the breadth of the portfolio, also because of our ability to supply.
Speaker #2: I think we have seen cases where our customers needed help because they had supply or shortages from their other suppliers, and we come in and solve the problem.
Yeah. Tori. I think uh look power. Uh, Power in general is very, very important to to Data Centers as we know and specifically power density. And we talk about both, the just think about the amount of power or or the energy, you have to drive into these systems. Um, you need a lot of silicon to withstand it, right? So that, that implies on, on the importance of, of Power Electronics. And TI is well, positioned what I like about our position is, is this combination and that's, by the way, uh,
Speaker #2: I think that's part of the reason our growth has been so high. I mentioned 90% year over year. And I'm very excited about the future there.
Is true for every Market. But but in data center, I think there is a lot of attention uh, to the what I call application specific sockets, you can call it, you know, stage 1 stage 2, the vrm, the the the, the last, you know, the V core that that that this gpus um
Speaker #2: So that combination of a broad portfolio and the ability to support a customer with capacity and inventory is unique. The second point, which I think I've touched upon in many calls or conferences, we are also investing more and more R&D in data center.
You know, they need the power delivery at the highest level—very complex parts, multi-phase power delivery, etc. And
There is also.
Haviv Ilan: I would say tens of thousands of them, lots of different SKUs, and this is where our general purpose portfolio is amazing. We can fulfill, I would say, almost every analog socket on these racks. I think we are very unique in that point, not only because of the breadth of the portfolio, also because our ability to supply. I think we have seen cases where our customers needed help because they had supply shortages from their other suppliers, and we come in and solve the problem. I think that's part of the reason our growth has been so high. I mentioned 90% year-over-year, and I'm very excited about the future there. That combination of a broad portfolio and the ability to support customers with capacity and inventory is unique.
Haviv Ilan: I would say tens of thousands of them, lots of different SKUs, and this is where our general purpose portfolio is amazing. We can fulfill, I would say, almost every analog socket on these racks. I think we are very unique in that point, not only because of the breadth of the portfolio, also because our ability to supply. I think we have seen cases where our customers needed help because they had supply shortages from their other suppliers, and we come in and solve the problem. I think that's part of the reason our growth has been so high. I mentioned 90% year-over-year, and I'm very excited about the future there. That combination of a broad portfolio and the ability to support customers with capacity and inventory is unique.
Speaker #2: And we are going to be one of the competitors on the application-specific sockets. Whether it's VRM in stage two, whether it's high voltage, 800 to 12 or 6 at the stage one.
A lot, a lot of general, general-purpose parts in Iraq. I would say tens of thousands of them. Lots of different SKUs, and this is where our
Speaker #2: And we are well positioned there as well, both with the GAN technologies that we've invested in in the past 15 years, but also on our very advanced BCD nodes that not only has the capacity needed, but also it's built in North America.
General purpose. Portfolio is amazing. We can fulfill, I would say, almost every, uh, analog socket on these racks. And I think we are very unique in that point, not only because of the breadth of the portfolio, also because of our ability to supply. I think we have seen cases.
Speaker #2: Here in Texas, and customers care a lot about it. So I think that combination of broad portfolio, both on general-purpose and ASSPs, ability to support a rack, not only the board, and ability to supply at scale with a tonnage, if you will, or the volume that this market demands, is very, very unique.
Where our customers need help because they had Supply, you know, or shortages from their other suppliers and we come in and solve the problem. I think that's part of the reason our growth has been so high, I mentioned 90% year-over-year.
Haviv Ilan: The second point, which I think I've touched upon in many calls or conferences, we are also investing more and more R&D in data center, and we are going to be one of the competitors on the application-specific sockets, whether it's VRM in stage two, whether it's high voltage 800 to 1200 or 60 at stage one, and we are well-positioned there as well, both with the GaN technologies that we've invested in in the past 15 years. Also now very advanced BCD nodes that not only have the capacity needed, but also it's built in North America, here in Texas, and customers care a lot about it.
Haviv Ilan: The second point, which I think I've touched upon in many calls or conferences, we are also investing more and more R&D in data center, and we are going to be one of the competitors on the application-specific sockets, whether it's VRM in stage two, whether it's high voltage 800 to 1200 or 60 at stage one, and we are well-positioned there as well, both with the GaN technologies that we've invested in in the past 15 years. Also now very advanced BCD nodes that not only have the capacity needed, but also it's built in North America, here in Texas, and customers care a lot about it.
And, um, I'm very excited about the future there, so that combination of a broad portfolio and the ability to support customers with, you know, uh, capacity and inventory is unique.
Speaker #2: Not to mention that it's come from a geopolitically dependable location. So all of that is a unique combination. And that's part of what we like to talk about a competitive advantages.
Speaker #2: Maybe one of them is easy to replicate, but trying to replicate all, in this case, all three is not easy. And this is why I'm very encouraged about our opportunity to continue to grow in this market.
The second point, which I, I think I've touched upon in many calls or, or conferences. We are also investing more and more R&D in Data Center and we are going to be 1 of the competitors on the application specific sockets. Uh, whether it's uh, vrm stage 2 where where whether it's high voltage, you know, 800 to
Speaker #2: I will just add that our application-specific sockets are seeing momentum as well on the design interface right now. And I do expect that they'll kick in more in the second half of the year and into 2027.
to 12 or 6 at the, uh, at stage 1. And we are well positioned there as well, both with the, uh, GaN technologies that we've, um,
Speaker #2: So my bar for the team and my expectations are high here.
Haviv Ilan: I think that combination of broad portfolio, both on general purpose and ASSPs, ability to support the rack, not only the board, and ability to supply at scale, with the tonnage, if you will, or the volume that this market demands, is very unique. Not to mention that it's come from a geopolitically dependable location. All of that is a unique combination, and that's part of what we like to talk about our competitive advantages. Maybe one of them is easy to replicate, but trying to replicate all, in this case, all three is not easy. This is why I'm very encouraged about our opportunity to continue to grow in this market.
Speaker #7: Thanks, Tore. Do you have a follow-up?
Haviv Ilan: I think that combination of broad portfolio, both on general purpose and ASSPs, ability to support the rack, not only the board, and ability to supply at scale, with the tonnage, if you will, or the volume that this market demands, is very unique. Not to mention that it's come from a geopolitically dependable location. All of that is a unique combination, and that's part of what we like to talk about our competitive advantages. Maybe one of them is easy to replicate, but trying to replicate all, in this case, all three is not easy. This is why I'm very encouraged about our opportunity to continue to grow in this market.
Speaker #8: Yeah. That's a great caller. Thank you, Habib, for that. And then as my follow-up, just thinking about obviously, now we're in another new upcycle in analog.
In the past 15 years. But also on our very Advanced BCD nodes that not only has the capacity needed but also it's built in North America here in Texas and customers care a lot about it. So I think that combination of broad portfolio both on general purpose, n asps the ability to to support the wreck. Not only the board.
Speaker #8: And just comparing this to the last one. I mean, the last one, capacity got tight pretty quickly, lead time started extending pretty quickly. I know it's a different cycle, right?
And ability to supply at scale, uh, with a tonnage, if you will or or, or the volume that this market demand is very, very unique.
Speaker #8: But I'm just curious now that you've made all the CapEx investments, you got the big manufacturing footprint, are you starting to see share gains sort of pop up in your design wins?
And not to mention if it's come from a geopolitically dependable location. So all of that is a unique combination, and that's part of what we would like to talk about as competitive advantages. Maybe one of them is—
Speaker #8: Since you are much better positioned with capacity now versus back then?
Speaker #2: I believe we are, yes. And we have gained share, of course, in analog in 2025. But I think we have a lot of room to go.
Haviv Ilan: I will just add that our application-specific sockets are seeing momentum as well on the design-in phase right now, and I do expect that they'll kick in more in H2 and into 2027. My bar for the team and my expectations are high here.
Haviv Ilan: I will just add that our application-specific sockets are seeing momentum as well on the design-in phase right now, and I do expect that they'll kick in more in H2 and into 2027. My bar for the team and my expectations are high here.
Speaker #2: We are still below previous peaks. And to me, the question, Tore, is can we do it quickly? Meaning, does demand or does the strong demand continue?
Mike Beckman: Thanks. Tore, do you have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: Thanks. Tore, do you have a follow-up?
Is easy to replicate but trying to replicate all in this case. All 3 is not easy and this is why I'm very encouraged about our opportunity to continue to grow in this market. I will just add that our application specific sockets are seeing momentum as well on the design in Phase right now. And I do expect that they'll kick in more in the second half of the year and into 2027. Uh, so my bar for the team and my expectations are high here.
Speaker #2: Or it's going to take us more time? From our perspective, we hope the demand continues. We have the answer to customers. And in many cases, we are unique.
Tore Svanberg: Yeah, that's great color. Thank you, Haviv, for that. Then as my follow-up, just thinking about, obviously now we're in another new upcycle in analog, and just comparing this to the last one. I mean, the last one, capacity got tight pretty quickly. Lead times started extending pretty quickly. I know it's a different cycle, right? I'm just curious now that you've made all the CapEx investments, you got the big manufacturing footprint, are you starting to see share gains sort of pop up in your design wins, since you are much better positioned with capacity now versus back then? I believe we are, yes. We have gained share, of course, in analog in 2025. I think we have a lot of room to go. We are still below previous peaks. To me, the question, Tore, is can we do it quickly?
Tore Svanberg: Yeah, that's great color. Thank you, Haviv, for that. Then as my follow-up, just thinking about, obviously now we're in another new upcycle in analog, and just comparing this to the last one. I mean, the last one, capacity got tight pretty quickly. Lead times started extending pretty quickly. I know it's a different cycle, right? I'm just curious now that you've made all the CapEx investments, you got the big manufacturing footprint, are you starting to see share gains sort of pop up in your design wins, since you are much better positioned with capacity now versus back then?
Thanks, Troy. Do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #2: I gave a minute ago the data center example, but we are starting to see other areas where our supply our availability is allowing us to win back market share.
Speaker #2: So I mentioned pricing before. We are pricing is very competitive. I think we have an opportunity there as well for the second half of the year.
Speaker #2: So it all depends on the sustainability of demand. I think Vivek mentioned before, we had a very unique 2025 where it started stronger, and then it took a breather.
Yeah. That's, that's great caller. Thank you. Have you for that? And then as my follow-up, um, just thinking about, you know, obviously now we're in in another new up upcycle, and, and analog and just comparing this to the last 1. I mean, the last 1 capacity, got tight pretty quickly least started extending pretty quickly. I I know it's a different cycle, right? But I'm I'm just curious now that you've, you know, made all the capex Investments, you've got the big manufacturing footprint, are you starting to see, share gains sort of pop up in your design wins? Uh, you know, since you are much better positioned with capacity Now versus spectum,
Haviv Ilan: I believe we are, yes. We have gained share, of course, in analog in 2025. I think we have a lot of room to go. We are still below previous peaks. To me, the question, Tore, is can we do it quickly?
Speaker #2: I want to see it playing out in 2026. Obviously, if it continues our opportunity just grows.
Speaker #7: May I just add that we spent the last several years preparing with capacity and inventory, as you know. And our lead times have been stable over the last several years, especially the last several months.
Haviv Ilan: Meaning, does the strong demand continue or it's going to take us more time? From our perspective, we hope the demand continues. We have the answer to customers, and in many cases, we are unique. I gave a minute ago the data center example, but we are starting to see other areas where our supply, our availability is allowing us to win back market share. I mentioned pricing before. Our pricing is very competitive. I think we have an opportunity there as well for H2. It all depends on the sustainability of demand. I think Vivek mentioned before, we had a very unique 2025, where it started strong and then it took a breather. I want to see it playing out in 2026. Obviously, if it continues, our opportunity just grows.
Haviv Ilan: Meaning, does the strong demand continue or it's going to take us more time? From our perspective, we hope the demand continues. We have the answer to customers, and in many cases, we are unique. I gave a minute ago the data center example, but we are starting to see other areas where our supply, our availability is allowing us to win back market share. I mentioned pricing before. Our pricing is very competitive. I think we have an opportunity there as well for H2. It all depends on the sustainability of demand. I think Vivek mentioned before, we had a very unique 2025, where it started strong and then it took a breather. I want to see it playing out in 2026. Obviously, if it continues, our opportunity just grows.
Speaker #7: Really happy with the delivery performance. And so as we look at what the future holds here, I want to make sure we can service our customers' needs, but also their growth as well across a broad customer base.
Speaker #7: And then we're really happy with the systems we have in place to allow that. All right. I'll move on to our next caller. Thanks, Tore.
I believe we are, yes. And, uh, we have gained share, of course, in analog in 2025, but I think we have a lot of room to go. We are still below previous peaks, and to me, the question, Tori, is, can we do it quickly—meaning, will the demand, uh, or the strong demand, continue? Or is it going to take us more time? Uh, from our perspective, we hope the demand continues. We have the answers for customers, and in many cases, we are unique. I gave, a minute ago, the data center, for example, but we are starting to see other areas where our supply...
Speaker #8: Our next question is from Matthew Prisco with Cantor Fitzgerald.
Uh, our availability is allowing us to win back uh, market share.
Speaker #7: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. So you previously talked about spending about 2 to 3 billion CapEx in 2026. First, is that still the right number?
Speaker #7: And then as we think about the modular build-outs within this ongoing recovery, can you maybe help walk us through when you would need to start to add the incremental equipment and how you're thinking of strategically about your capacity today as we're starting to see some foundry capacity, custom mature nodes, and now tier two foundry pricing increases?
So uh I mentioned pricing before, you know we are our pricing is is very competitive. I think we have an opportunity there as well for the second half of the year. So it all depends on on the sustainability of of demand. I think the back mentioned before we had, um, we had a, a very unique 2025 with the it started strong and then it took a breather. I want to see it playing out in 2026.
Mike Beckman: May I just add that we spent the last several years preparing with capacity and inventory, as you know, and our lead times have been stable over the last several years, especially the last several months. Really happy with the delivery performance. As we look at what the future holds here, want to make sure we can service our customers' needs, but also their growth as well across a broad customer base. We're really happy with the systems we have in place to allow that. All right. I'll move on to our next caller.
Mike Beckman: May I just add that we spent the last several years preparing with capacity and inventory, as you know, and our lead times have been stable over the last several years, especially the last several months. Really happy with the delivery performance. As we look at what the future holds here, want to make sure we can service our customers' needs, but also their growth as well across a broad customer base. We're really happy with the systems we have in place to allow that. All right. I'll move on to our next caller.
Speaker #2: Yeah. So I'll start. First, the answer to your question is yes. We're looking at 2 to 3 billion dollars of CapEx for this year.
Uh, obviously if it continues, uh, our opportunity just grows. May I just add that we spent the last several years preparing with capacity and inventories, you know? And, you know, our lead times have been stable over the last...
Speaker #2: And in that number, there are capacity for what we call phase three, which is incremental capacity. That means you're alluding to. That's both for the in the fab side, but also in the assembly test side.
Several years, and especially the last several months, we're really happy with the delivery performance. And so, as we look at what the future holds here, we want to make sure we can service our customers' needs, but also their growth as well across a broad customer base. We're really happy with the systems we have in place to allow that.
Haviv Ilan: Okay.
Haviv Ilan: Okay.
Mike Beckman: Thanks, Haviv.
Mike Beckman: Thanks, Haviv.
Speaker #2: And that is where a growing proportion of our CapEx is going to in the assembly test side to address growth. Beyond that, what I would tell you for CapEx beyond '26 is think of the 1.2 times rate that we have talked about before.
All right, I'll move on to our next call. Thank you.
Operator: Our next question is from Matthew Prisco with Cantor Fitzgerald.
Operator: Our next question is from Matthew Prisco with Cantor Fitzgerald.
Our next question is from Matthew prisco with Cantor Fitzgerald.
Matthew Prisco: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. You previously talked about spending about $2 to $3 billion CapEx in 2026. First, is that still the right number? As we think about the modular build-outs within this ongoing recovery, can you maybe help walk us through when you would need to start to add the incremental equipment and how you're thinking of strategically about your capacity today as we're starting to see some foundry capacity cut to mature nodes and now tier two foundry pricing increases?
Matthew Prisco: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. You previously talked about spending about $2 to $3 billion CapEx in 2026. First, is that still the right number? As we think about the modular build-outs within this ongoing recovery, can you maybe help walk us through when you would need to start to add the incremental equipment and how you're thinking of strategically about your capacity today as we're starting to see some foundry capacity cut to mature nodes and now tier two foundry pricing increases?
Speaker #2: For the long-term needs of the long-term CapEx intensity. So for example, if you to make a number easy, 5% growth would translate into 6% CapEx as percent of revenue.
Hey guys! Thanks for taking the question. So, you previously talked about spending about $2 to $3 billion in capex in 2026—first, is that still the right number? And then, as we think about the modular buildout within its ongoing recovery, can you maybe help walk us through when you would need to start to add the incremental equipment and how you're thinking strategically about your capacity today?
Speaker #2: And that's how you would want to model it.
As we are starting to see some foundry capacity, custom mature nodes, and now tier 2 foundry pricing increases,
Haviv Ilan: Yes, I'll start. First, the answer to your question is yes, we're looking at $2 to $3 billion of CapEx for this year. In that number, there's capacity for what we call phase three, which is incremental capacity that maybe you're alluding to. That's both in the fab side, but also in the assembly test side. That is where a growing proportion of our CapEx is going to, in the assembly test side to address growth. Beyond that, what I would tell you for CapEx beyond 2026 is think of the 1.2 times rate that we have talked about before, for the long-term CapEx intensity. For example, to make a number easy, 5% growth would translate into 6% CapEx as percent of revenue, and that's how you would want to model it. Matthew, just one more point. I think Rafael touched upon it.
Haviv Ilan: Yes, I'll start. First, the answer to your question is yes, we're looking at $2 to $3 billion of CapEx for this year. In that number, there's capacity for what we call phase three, which is incremental capacity that maybe you're alluding to. That's both in the fab side, but also in the assembly test side. That is where a growing proportion of our CapEx is going to, in the assembly test side to address growth. Beyond that, what I would tell you for CapEx beyond 2026 is think of the 1.2 times rate that we have talked about before, for the long-term CapEx intensity. For example, to make a number easy, 5% growth would translate into 6% CapEx as percent of revenue, and that's how you would want to model it. Matthew, just one more point. I think Rafael touched upon it.
Speaker #8: Matthew, just one more point. I think Rafael touched upon it. So again, 2 to 3 very valid, but remember, we gave a framework that is still very valid I think it was a couple of years back during capital management on kind of revenue scenarios and CapEx.
Speaker #8: I think these are also very, very valid. I will say that, right, as Rafael alluded to, we are seeing right now, even at the midpoint of the second quarter, and again, I want to see how it plays out, but we are looking at this, I don't know, 17, 18 percent growth year over year for the first half of the year.
Speaker #8: That's stronger than last year. So of course, we want to be prepared in case it continues. We no one tells us what the future will be.
Speaker #8: We just have to support a range of scenarios. So in that sense, we are taking the opportunity to divert some of the because we have enough the thing about wafer capacity, I think we are well positioned with our 300 millimeter wafer fabs.
Speaker #8: We have the brick and mortar. We have the installed equipment. But on the AT side, I think there is an opportunity. And we are very happy that we've internalized our supply because we are seeing more and more bottlenecks in the market that are popping up.
Automotive.
Speaker #8: And the fact that we control our destiny here and we can move more stuff internally is a benefit. So some of these 2.2 to 3 billion dollars of CapEx that you're seeing this year, some of that is going to support a faster internalization of our backend into our own assembly and test.
Haviv Ilan: Again, 2 to 3, very valid. Remember, we gave a framework that is still very valid. I think it was a couple of years back, during capital management on kind of revenue scenarios and CapEx. I think these are also very valid. I will say that, as Rafael alluded to, we are seeing right now, even at the midpoint of Q2, and again, I want to see how it plays out, but we're looking at this, I don't know, 17% to 18% growth year over year for H1. That's stronger than last year. Of course, we want to be prepared in case it continues. No one tells us what the future will be. We just have to support a range of scenarios. In that sense, we are taking the opportunity to divert some of the, because we have enough.
Haviv Ilan: Again, 2 to 3, very valid. Remember, we gave a framework that is still very valid. I think it was a couple of years back, during capital management on kind of revenue scenarios and CapEx. I think these are also very valid. I will say that, as Rafael alluded to, we are seeing right now, even at the midpoint of Q2, and again, I want to see how it plays out, but we're looking at this, I don't know, 17% to 18% growth year over year for H1. That's stronger than last year. Of course, we want to be prepared in case it continues. No one tells us what the future will be. We just have to support a range of scenarios. In that sense, we are taking the opportunity to divert some of the, because we have enough.
Speaker #8: And that allows us to support customers at a higher level.
Speaker #7: You have a follow-up, Matt?
Speaker #9: Yeah. It's helpful. Thanks. I guess the follow-up would be, is there any update to your messaging around depreciation expectations versus three months ago? And then maybe how to think about timing of when CI will receive the remaining CHIPS Act direct funding.
Speaker #9: Thanks.
Speaker #2: Yeah. So I'll take that. No change to depreciation expectations. For this year, 2.2 to 2.4. And then for 2027, continue upward pressure, but likely at a slower rate.
Haviv Ilan: The thing about wafer capacity, I think we are well-positioned with our 300-millimeter wafer fabs. We have the brick-and-mortar, we have the installed equipment. On the A&T side, I think there is an opportunity, and we are very happy that we've internalized our supply because we are seeing more and more bottlenecks in the market that are popping up. The fact that we control our destiny here and we can move more stuff internally is a benefit. Some of these $2 to $3 billion of CapEx that you're seeing this year, some of that is going to support a faster internalization of our back end into our own assembly and test, and that allows us to support customers at a higher level.
Haviv Ilan: The thing about wafer capacity, I think we are well-positioned with our 300-millimeter wafer fabs. We have the brick-and-mortar, we have the installed equipment. On the A&T side, I think there is an opportunity, and we are very happy that we've internalized our supply because we are seeing more and more bottlenecks in the market that are popping up. The fact that we control our destiny here and we can move more stuff internally is a benefit. Some of these $2 to $3 billion of CapEx that you're seeing this year, some of that is going to support a faster internalization of our back end into our own assembly and test, and that allows us to support customers at a higher level.
Speaker #2: On the CHIPS Act, first, I would tell you the more interesting one is ITC. We've been talking about that one. That's the one that's going to give us more money over the long term.
Matthew just 1 more point. I think Raphael touched upon it. So again, 2 to 3 very valid, but remember we we gave a framework uh that is still very valid. Uh I think it was a couple of years back during Capital Management on kind of Revenue scenarios and capex. I think these are also very very valid. I will say that rise Rafael alluded to we are seeing right now even at the midpoint of the second quarter and again I want to see how he plays out but we're looking at this, I don't know. 17 18% growth over the year for the first half of the year, that's stronger than last year. So of course, we want to be prepared in case it continues. We, we know 1 tells us what the future will be. We just have to support a range of scenarios. So in that sense we are taking the opportunity to divert some of the because we have enough. The the think about the wafer capacity. I think we are well, positioned with our 300. Mm wafer. Fabs, we have the brick and mortar. We have the installed equipment, but on the 80s side I think there is an opportunity and we are very happy that we've internalized our supply, because we are seeing more and more bottlenecks in the market, they're popping up and the fact that we control
Speaker #2: And that's a 35% of qualified manufacturing investments. We have been getting that. ITC, and then we'll continue to get ITC. But on the direct funding, we just received over 500 million dollars in total.
Speaker #2: What we received in fourth quarter is 630 million. Out of the up to 1.6 billion dollars of direct funding. And the remaining we should get that over the coming years as we continue fulfilling the various milestones stipulated in the contract.
Mike Beckman: You have a follow-up, Matt?
Mike Beckman: You have a follow-up, Matt?
Our destiny here and we can move more stuff. Internally is a benefit. So some of these 2.3 2 to 3 billion dollars of capex that you you're seeing this year, some of that is going to support a faster internalization of our back, end into our own assembly and test and that allows us to support customers at a higher level, give a follow up, man.
Matthew Prisco: Yeah, it's helpful. Thanks. I guess the follow-up will be, is there any update to your messaging around depreciation expectations versus three months ago? And then maybe how to think about timing of when TI will receive the remaining CHIPS Act direct funding. Thanks.
Matthew Prisco: Yeah, it's helpful. Thanks. I guess the follow-up will be, is there any update to your messaging around depreciation expectations versus three months ago? And then maybe how to think about timing of when TI will receive the remaining CHIPS Act direct funding. Thanks.
Speaker #7: Thanks, Matt. Move on to our next caller, please.
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. I'll take that. No change to the depreciation expectations. For this year, 2.2 to 2.4, and then for 2027, continued upward pressure, but likely at a slower rate. On the CHIPS Act, first I would tell you the more interesting one is ITC. We've been talking about that one. That's the one that's going to give us more money over the long term, and that's at 35% of qualified manufacturing investments. We have been getting that, ITC, and then we'll continue to get ITC. But on the direct funding, we just received over $500 million. In total, what we received in Q4 is $630 million out of the up to $1.6 billion of direct funding. The remaining, we should get that over the coming years as we continue fulfilling the various milestones stipulated in the contract.
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. I'll take that. No change to the depreciation expectations. For this year, 2.2 to 2.4, and then for 2027, continued upward pressure, but likely at a slower rate. On the CHIPS Act, first I would tell you the more interesting one is ITC. We've been talking about that one. That's the one that's going to give us more money over the long term, and that's at 35% of qualified manufacturing investments. We have been getting that, ITC, and then we'll continue to get ITC. But on the direct funding, we just received over $500 million. In total, what we received in Q4 is $630 million out of the up to $1.6 billion of direct funding. The remaining, we should get that over the coming years as we continue fulfilling the various milestones stipulated in the contract.
Yes helpful thanks. Um I guess follow me. Is there any update to your messaging around depreciation expectations versus 3 months ago? And then maybe how to think about timing of of when CI will remain will receive the uh remaining chips act direct funding? Thanks
Speaker #8: Our next question is from Joe Quattroci with Wells Fargo.
Speaker #10: Yeah. Thanks for taking the question. I was curious if you could maybe just help us understand, given that the resegmentation of revenue especially on the industrial side, what is normal seasonality now for the June quarter?
Speaker #7: So if you can probably look back and model out what our revenue has done over history, and I don't have a buy-in market, specific what the percentage is.
Speaker #7: But overall, what you'll typically see is the second and third quarter are stronger quarters. And fourth and first are typically lower compared to second and third.
Speaker #7: You have a follow-up?
Speaker #9: I'll just add on that, just in seasonality. Look, our guide is I would describe it as a little bit above seasonal, right? I think we've got it at, what, 8% sequential?
Speaker #9: So that's a little bit and again, the combination of the market is changing. Data center, as we know, is now a bigger part of our revenue.
Mike Beckman: Thanks, Matt. Move on to our next caller, please.
Mike Beckman: Thanks, Matt. Move on to our next caller, please.
Yeah, so I'll take that. Uh, no change to the depreciation expectations, uh, for this year uh, 2.2 to 2.4 and then for 2027 uh, continued upward pressure but likely at a slower, uh, at a slower rate on the chips act. Uh, first, I will tell you, the more interesting 1 is ITC, we've been talking about that 1 that that's the 1. That's going to give us more money over the long term and that's a 35% of qualified manufacturing Investments. Uh, we going to we have been getting that uh, ITC and then we'll continue to get ITC. But on the direct funding, we just received over 500 million dollars in. Total of what received in fourth quarter, is 630 million uh out of the up to 1.6 billion dollars of uh direct funding and the remaining we uh we should get that over the coming years as as we continue fulfilling the various Milestones stipulated in the contract
Speaker #9: But overall, my view on 2Q is it's slightly above seasonal guide. Hopefully, that helps.
Thanks, Matt. Move on to our next caller, please.
Operator: Our next question is from Joe Quatrochi with Wells Fargo.
Operator: Our next question is from Joe Quatrochi with Wells Fargo.
Our next question is from Joe Clutch-Crochet with Wells Fargo.
Joe Quatrochi: Yeah. Thanks for taking the question. I was curious if you could maybe just help us understand, given the resegmentation of revenue, especially on the industrial side, what is normal seasonality now for Q2?
Joe Quatrochi: Yeah. Thanks for taking the question. I was curious if you could maybe just help us understand, given the resegmentation of revenue, especially on the industrial side, what is normal seasonality now for Q2?
Speaker #7: Joe, do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #8: Yes. Helpful.
Speaker #10: Yeah. As a follow-up, we have a really strong quarter in the first quarter out of the gate for free cash flow. And just even cash flow from operations.
Speaker #10: Just any update on just how to think about free cash flow per share for this year? Any change there?
Yeah, thanks for taking the question. I I was curious, if you could maybe just help us understand, you know, given the the
Mike Beckman: If you can probably look back and model out what our revenue's done over history, and I don't have a by end market specific, what the percentage is. Overall, what you'll typically see is the Q2 and Q3 are stronger quarters, and Q4 and Q1 are typically lower compared to Q2 and Q3. You have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: If you can probably look back and model out what our revenue's done over history, and I don't have a by end market specific, what the percentage is. Overall, what you'll typically see is the Q2 and Q3 are stronger quarters, and Q4 and Q1 are typically lower compared to Q2 and Q3. You have a follow-up?
Speaker #2: Yeah. I think I mentioned Joe during the capital management call that as long as revenue is growing mid to high single digits, that $8 free cash flow per share is very probable or highly probable, okay?
Haviv Ilan: I'll just add on that, but just in seasonality. Look, our guide is, I would describe it as a little bit above seasonal, right? I think we have got it at, what, 8% sequential. That's a little bit. Again, the combination of the markets is changing. Data center, as we know, is now a bigger part of our revenue. Overall, my view on Q2 is it's a slightly above seasonal guide. Hopefully that helps.
Haviv Ilan: I'll just add on that, but just in seasonality. Look, our guide is, I would describe it as a little bit above seasonal, right? I think we have got it at, what, 8% sequential. That's a little bit. Again, the combination of the markets is changing. Data center, as we know, is now a bigger part of our revenue. Overall, my view on Q2 is it's a slightly above seasonal guide. Hopefully that helps.
Speaker #2: Now, as I said before, first half of the year at the midpoint is somewhere between 15 and 20 percent growth, right? So there's definitely an upside.
Speaker #2: I'm not going to say what the number is, but go back to our framework that we provided back in the capital management call, and you'll see, I think at 20 billion, we had an 8 to 9, and at 22, we had a 9 to 10.
so if you could probably look back and model out, what our revenue is done or over history and I don't have a buy-in Market, you know, specific uh, you know what the percentage is? But overall what you'll typically see is the second and third quarter or stronger quarters, uh, and forth and first are typically lower compared to second and third, you have a follow-up, I just add on that. But just in seasonality look, our guide is I would describe it as, you know, a little bit above seasonal, right? I think we've got it at what 8% sequential. So that's a, that's a little bit. And again, the combination of the market is changing uh, data center. As we know, is is now a bigger part of our Revenue.
Mike Beckman: Joe, do you have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: Joe, do you have a follow-up?
Uh but overall my view on on 2q is it's a it's a slightly above seasonal guide. Hopefully that helps
Joe Quatrochi: Yeah, that's helpful. Yeah, as a follow-up, a really strong quarter in Q1 out of the gate for free cash flow, and just even cash flow from operations. Just any update on just how to think about free cash flow per share for this year? Any change there?
Joe Quatrochi: Yeah, that's helpful. Yeah, as a follow-up, a really strong quarter in Q1 out of the gate for free cash flow, and just even cash flow from operations. Just any update on just how to think about free cash flow per share for this year? Any change there?
Speaker #2: So it gives you kind of how every extra billion dollars of revenue is doing or how it helps free cash flow per share. It gives you a very high-level framework.
You have a couple? Yeah, as a follow-up.
Speaker #2: But right now, assuming we don't have another false start, I think there is a very high it's very likely we will beat that we'll easily beat that $8 free cash flow per share for 2026.
Got a really strong quarter in the first quarter out of the gate, for, for a free cash flow, uh, and just even cash flow from operations. Just any any update on just how to think about, you know, free cash flow per share, uh, for for this year, any change there?
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, I think I mentioned, Joe, during the capital management call that as long as revenue is growing mid to high single digits, that $8 free cash flow per share is very probable, highly probable, okay? Now, as I said before, H1 of the year at the midpoint is somewhere between 15% and 20% growth, right? There's definitely an upside. I'm not going to say what the number is, but go back to our framework that we provided back in the capital management call, and you'll see, I think at $20 billion, we had an 8 to 9, and at $22 billion, we had a 9 to 10. It gives you kind of how every extra billion dollars of revenue is doing or how it helps free cash flow per share. It gives you a very high-level framework.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah, I think I mentioned, Joe, during the capital management call that as long as revenue is growing mid to high single digits, that $8 free cash flow per share is very probable, highly probable, okay? Now, as I said before, H1 of the year at the midpoint is somewhere between 15% and 20% growth, right? There's definitely an upside. I'm not going to say what the number is, but go back to our framework that we provided back in the capital management call, and you'll see, I think at $20 billion, we had an 8 to 9, and at $22 billion, we had a 9 to 10. It gives you kind of how every extra billion dollars of revenue is doing or how it helps free cash flow per share. It gives you a very high-level framework.
Speaker #2: Again, we need to see how the year continues. But I would say the probability is probably high.
Speaker #7: Thank you, Joe. Move on to our last caller.
Speaker #8: Our last question is from Chris Caso with Wolf Research.
Speaker #11: Yes. Thank you. First question will be about fab loadings. And given what appears to be a strong start to the year, what are your plans And what do you expect to do with inventory as we go through the year?
Speaker #11: I know you've been building inventory. In order to be responsive to customers, do you expect to keep inventories at these levels where might that dip a bit?
Speaker #2: Yeah. So we feel very comfortable with our position with both capacity and inventory. And inventory is there to support customers' satisfaction. Keep leads on short and stable.
Haviv Ilan: Right now, assuming we don't have another false start, I think there is a very high, very likely we'll easily beat that $8 free cash flow per share for 2026. Again, we need to see how the yield continues, but I would say the probability is probably high.
Haviv Ilan: Right now, assuming we don't have another false start, I think there is a very high, very likely we'll easily beat that $8 free cash flow per share for 2026. Again, we need to see how the yield continues, but I would say the probability is probably high.
Assuming we don't have another four stars, I think there is a very high, very likely we will be that, um,
Speaker #2: So we'll continue to do that. And we'll adjust loadings throughout the quarter to handle whatever comes at us in a number of scenarios in this upturn.
Mike Beckman: Thank you, Joe. Move on to our last caller.
Mike Beckman: Thank you, Joe. Move on to our last caller.
Uh, will it easily be that 8 frequency per share for 2026? Again, we need to see how the year continues, but I would say the probability is probably high. Thank you. Joe, move on to our last caller.
Operator: Our last question is from Chris Kassica with Wolfe Research.
Operator: Our last question is from Chris Kassica with Wolfe Research.
Speaker #9: I would just add on that, Chris, we talked about all these phases of our investment, right? Phase one, phase two, phase three. So right now, the surge of demand is in analog, right?
Our last question is from Chris queso with Wolfe research.
Chris Kassica: Yes. Thank you. First question will be about fab loadings and, given what appears to be a strong start to the year, what are your plans for fab loadings, and what do you expect to do with inventory as we go through the year? I know you've been building inventory in order to be responsive to customers. Do you expect to keep inventories at these levels, or might that dip a bit?
Chris Caso: Yes. Thank you. First question will be about fab loadings and, given what appears to be a strong start to the year, what are your plans for fab loadings, and what do you expect to do with inventory as we go through the year? I know you've been building inventory in order to be responsive to customers. Do you expect to keep inventories at these levels, or might that dip a bit?
Speaker #9: And in analog, we are at phase three. So we are modulating start. We have the capacity. We are modulating starts real-time. We are just looking at the daily consumption, if you will.
Speaker #9: And this is where Rafael guides the team of how to start wafers. So of course, we have the opportunity now. In terms of inventory, it all depends on the rate of consumption, meaning if demand continues to be very, very strong, we'll continue to deplete inventory.
Yes, thank you. Uh, first question will be about, uh, uh, fab loading and, you know, given what appears to be a strong start to the year, what are your plans for, uh, for fab loadings and, you know, what do you expect, uh, to do with inventory as we go through the year? I know you've been building inventory in order to be responsive to customers. Do you expect to keep inventories at these levels, or, uh, might that dip a bit?
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. We feel very comfortable with our position with both capacity and inventory. Inventory is there to support customer satisfaction, keep lead times short and stable. We'll continue to do that, and we'll adjust load-ins throughout the quarter to handle whatever comes at us in a number of scenarios in this upturn.
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. We feel very comfortable with our position with both capacity and inventory. Inventory is there to support customer satisfaction, keep lead times short and stable. We'll continue to do that, and we'll adjust load-ins throughout the quarter to handle whatever comes at us in a number of scenarios in this upturn.
Yeah. So uh
Speaker #9: Obviously, it takes time to build these parts, right? Some of the parts get built in three months, but some of them can take six to nine months.
We feel very comfortable.
Question, uh, with both capacity and inventory. Uh,
Speaker #9: So overall, that's why we have inventory. Inventory allows us a quick surge of customer support if they have a strong demand. That's what happened in Q1.
Speaker #9: We have a strong guide for Q2 in the midpoint. It's 8% sequential. It's above seasonal, as I mentioned. So I think inventory will play a role there.
Haviv Ilan: I would just add on that, Chris, we talked about all these phases of our investment, right? Phase one, phase two, phase three. Right now, the surge of demand is in analog, right? And in analog, we are at phase three. We are modulating start. We have the capacity. We are modulating starts real time. We are just looking at the daily consumption, if you will, and this is where Rafael guides a team of how to start wafers. Of course, we have the opportunity. Now, in terms of inventory, it all depends on the rate of consumption, meaning if demand continues to be very, very strong, we'll continue to deplete inventory. Obviously, it takes time to build these parts, right? Some of the parts get built in 3 months, but some of them can take 6 to 9 months. Overall, that's why we have inventory.
Haviv Ilan: I would just add on that, Chris, we talked about all these phases of our investment, right? Phase one, phase two, phase three. Right now, the surge of demand is in analog, right? And in analog, we are at phase three. We are modulating start. We have the capacity. We are modulating starts real time. We are just looking at the daily consumption, if you will, and this is where Rafael guides a team of how to start wafers. Of course, we have the opportunity. Now, in terms of inventory, it all depends on the rate of consumption, meaning if demand continues to be very, very strong, we'll continue to deplete inventory. Obviously, it takes time to build these parts, right? Some of the parts get built in 3 months, but some of them can take 6 to 9 months. Overall, that's why we have inventory.
Speaker #9: But then the machine catches up. So to me, all these questions are related to what the second half of the year of demand will do.
Inventory is there to support, uh, customer satisfaction, uh, keep lists short and stable. So, uh, we'll continue to do that and we'll adjust loadings, uh, throughout the quarter to handle whatever, whatever comes at us in a number of scenarios. In this, in this—
Speaker #9: And based on the macro environment and based on what happened last year in terms of the market was jittery, as I called it before, I want to see it play out.
Speaker #9: The good news is that we are prepared for every scenario that will be presented to us.
Speaker #7: Chris, do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #2: Yeah. Let me just add taking a longer picture and just the next quarter when you think of our range of inventory days, 150 to 250, during an upturn, we should be draining that number.
Speaker #2: It should be right now, we're at 209. It should shift drift towards the lower end. And then during a downturn, that's when we build inventory.
Haviv Ilan: Inventory allows us a quick surge of customer support if they have a strong demand. That's what happened in Q1. We have a strong guide for Q2. In the midpoint, it's 8% sequential. It's above seasonal, as I mentioned. I think inventory will play a role there. Then the machine catches up. To me, all these questions are related to what H2 of demand will do. Based on the macro environment and based on what happened last year in terms of the market was jittery, as I called it before, I want to see it play out. The good news is that we are prepared for every scenario that will be presented to us.
Haviv Ilan: Inventory allows us a quick surge of customer support if they have a strong demand. That's what happened in Q1. We have a strong guide for Q2. In the midpoint, it's 8% sequential. It's above seasonal, as I mentioned. I think inventory will play a role there. Then the machine catches up. To me, all these questions are related to what H2 of demand will do. Based on the macro environment and based on what happened last year in terms of the market was jittery, as I called it before, I want to see it play out. The good news is that we are prepared for every scenario that will be presented to us.
Speaker #2: And then it moves upward, right? So high level, in an ideal scenario, that's what you would see in terms of days of inventory.
Speaker #7: Chris, do you have a follow-up?
I just add on that. Uh Chris. We talked about all these phases of of our investment, right Phase 1, Phase 2, phase 3. So right now the surge of demand is in analog, right? And in analog we are at Phase 3. So we are modulating start. We we have the we have the capacity, we are modulating starts real time. We are just looking at the daily consumption if you will and this is very Rafael guides, a team of of how to start Wafers. So of course, we have the opportunity. Now, in terms of inventory, it all depends on the rate of consumption. Meaning if demand continues to be very, very strong, we'll continue to deplete inventory. Obviously it takes time to build these parts, right? Some of the parts get built in 3 months but some of them can take 6 to 9 months. So overall, that's why we have inventory, inventory, allows us a quick surge of customer support if they have, if they have a strong demand, that's what happening in q1. Uh, we have a strong guide for Q2 in the midpoint. It's 8% sequential. It's above seasonal as I mentioned. So I think inventory will play a role there but then the machine catches up. So
Speaker #11: I do. And for my follow-up, I want to return to some of your comments about pricing. And we've heard from some others in the space who were a little explicit, a little more explicit on what they were doing with pricing.
Speaker #11: And is TI simply following the market right now on what's happened with your comments of potentially some better pricing in the second half? And then as a follow-on to that, to what extent are your customers what percentage of your customers would be on sort of annual price contracts such that if there was a reset in pricing, that would more likely happen toward the end of the year into next year?
Mike Beckman: Chris, do you have a-
Mike Beckman: Chris, do you have a-
So to me, all these questions are related to what the second half of the year of of demand will do. And based on the, the macro environment and based on what happened last year, in terms of the market was jittery, as I called it before, I want to see it, play out. Uh, the good news is that we are prepared for every scenario. Uh that will be presented to us.
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. Let me just add, taking a longer picture and just the next quarter, when you think of our range of inventory days, 150 to 250, during an upturn, we should be draining that number. Right now, we're at 209. It should shift, drift towards the lower end. Then during the downturn, that's when we build inventory, and then it moves upward, right? High level, in an ideal scenario, that's what you would see in terms of days of inventory.
Rafael Lizardi: Yeah. Let me just add, taking a longer picture and just the next quarter, when you think of our range of inventory days, 150 to 250, during an upturn, we should be draining that number. Right now, we're at 209. It should shift, drift towards the lower end. Then during the downturn, that's when we build inventory, and then it moves upward, right? High level, in an ideal scenario, that's what you would see in terms of days of inventory.
Speaker #9: Yeah. I think, Chris, I think it's a good question. And I think we touched most of it. Just to clarify, the TI follows yes because we want to see sustainability, right?
Mike Beckman: Chris, do you have a follow-up?
Mike Beckman: Chris, do you have a follow-up?
Speaker #9: We don't want to be changing prices every quarter, right? Of course, prices go up and down every quarter. It depends on the portfolio and where customers need more demand and what supplies, etc.
Christy of, yeah, let let me just add a, a taking, a longer picture. And just the next quarter, when you think of our range of inventory DayZ, 150 to 250, uh, during an upturn. We should be draining that that number should be right now. We're at 209, it should shift, uh, drift towards the lower end and then during the downturn, that's when we build inventory and then it, it moves upward, right? So high level, uh, in an ideal scenario. That's, uh, what you would see in terms of days of inventory.
Chris, do you have a follow-up?
Chris Kassica: I do. For my follow-up, I want to return to some of your comments about pricing. We've heard from some others in the space who were a little more explicit on what they were doing with pricing. Is TI simply following the market right now on what's happened with your comments of potentially some better pricing in the H2? Then, as a follow-on to that, to what extent are your customers, what percentage of your customers would be on annual price contracts such that if there was a reset in pricing, that would more likely happen toward the end of the year into next year?
Chris Caso: I do. For my follow-up, I want to return to some of your comments about pricing. We've heard from some others in the space who were a little more explicit on what they were doing with pricing. Is TI simply following the market right now on what's happened with your comments of potentially some better pricing in the H2? Then, as a follow-on to that, to what extent are your customers, what percentage of your customers would be on annual price contracts such that if there was a reset in pricing, that would more likely happen toward the end of the year into next year?
Speaker #9: But let's look at 2025. In 2025, our pricing behaved as we expected. It was down this low single-digit number. That was the actual number in 2025.
Speaker #9: In the first quarter of '26, it was stable. It was a good start of the year. I think if demand continues to behave like that and we see stronger and stronger requests from our customers, that opens up a discussion.
Speaker #9: And that's what we are going through right now. We are definitely seeing if you go back to the you said the supply agreements or price agreements we have done,
Speaker #1: Were agreed upon last year . Somewhere in Q4 The demand environment was very different then . We are seeing higher numbers in terms of demand We will have to invest in our capacity .
I, I do and for my follow-up. I, I want to return to, to some of your comments about pricing and, um, you know, we've heard from from some others in the space who were a little explicit, a little more explicit on what they were doing with pricing. And, you know, I I is, is is TI, you know, simply following the market right now, uh, on you know, what's happening with your comments of, uh, you know, potentially, you know, some better pricing in the second half and and then, you know, as a follow on to that, you know, to what extent are your customers? What, what percentage of your customers would be on, you know, sort of annual price contracts. Uh such that, you know, you you you if if there was a reset and pricing that would more likely happen, you know, toward the end of the year into next year.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Chris, I think it's a good question, and I think we touched most of it. Just to clarify, TI follows, yes, because we want to see sustainability, right? We don't want to be changing prices every quarter. Of course, prices go up and down every quarter. It depends on the portfolio and where customers need more demand and where supply is, et cetera. Let's look at 2025. In 2025, our pricing behaved as we expected. It was down this low single-digit number. That was the actual number in 2025. In Q1 2026, it was stable. It was a good start of the year. I think if demand continues to behave like that, and we see stronger and stronger requests from our customers, that opens up a discussion.
Haviv Ilan: Yeah. Chris, I think it's a good question, and I think we touched most of it. Just to clarify, TI follows, yes, because we want to see sustainability, right? We don't want to be changing prices every quarter. Of course, prices go up and down every quarter. It depends on the portfolio and where customers need more demand and where supply is, et cetera. Let's look at 2025. In 2025, our pricing behaved as we expected. It was down this low single-digit number. That was the actual number in 2025. In Q1 2026, it was stable. It was a good start of the year. I think if demand continues to behave like that, and we see stronger and stronger requests from our customers, that opens up a discussion.
Speaker #1: I mentioned back in capacity investment to to support all of that . There is a tightness on the wall . So of course it's a discussion .
Yeah, I think, Russ, Chris, I think it's a good question and I think we touched on it. Just to clarify the...
Speaker #1: And I think customers are very thoughtful and most important for them is not to have a , you know , a $0.30 part stopping their production .
Speaker #1: They need to have high level of customer support . And that's what we are . That's what we are offering . So not only in , you know , supporting the part we promised them , but also sometimes solving problems they have with other suppliers .
Speaker #1: That's the opportunity we have in in 2026 . But again , all depends on the sustainability of the demand signal . So we'll continue to watch it .
Haviv Ilan: That's what we are going through right now, where we are definitely seeing, if you go back to the, you said the supply agreements or price agreements we have done, they were agreed upon last year, somewhere in Q4. The demand environment was very different then. We are seeing higher numbers in terms of demand. We will have to invest in our capacity. I mentioned back-end capacity investment to support all of that. There is a tightness on the OSAT world. Of course, it's a discussion. I think customers are very thoughtful, and most important for them is not to have a $0.30 part stopping their production. They need to have high level of customer support, and that's what we are offering. Not only in supporting the part we promised them, but also sometimes solving problems they have with other suppliers.
Haviv Ilan: That's what we are going through right now, where we are definitely seeing, if you go back to the, you said the supply agreements or price agreements we have done, they were agreed upon last year, somewhere in Q4. The demand environment was very different then. We are seeing higher numbers in terms of demand. We will have to invest in our capacity. I mentioned back-end capacity investment to support all of that. There is a tightness on the OSAT world. Of course, it's a discussion. I think customers are very thoughtful, and most important for them is not to have a $0.30 part stopping their production. They need to have high level of customer support, and that's what we are offering. Not only in supporting the part we promised them, but also sometimes solving problems they have with other suppliers.
Speaker #1: We are discussing with our customers as we speak and we'll report back during the July call Thanks .
Speaker #2: Chris . Do you want to close this out
Speaker #1: Yes . So let me wrap up with what we've said previously . At our core , we are engineers and technology is the foundation of our company .
Speaker #1: But ultimately our objective and the best metric to measure progress and generate value to owners is the long term growth of free cash flow per share Thank you all and have a good evening
Payments. We've done. They were agreed upon last year, somewhere in Q4 and the demand environment was very different. Then we are seeing um, higher numbers in terms of demand.
Uh, we will have to invest in our capacity. I mentioned back in capacity investment to support all of that. There is a tightness in the outside world. So, of course, it's a discussion.
And I think customers are very thoughtful, and most important for them is not to have a, you know, a 30-cent part stopping their production. They need to have a high level of customer support, and that's what we are.
Haviv Ilan: That's the opportunity we have in 2026. Again, all depends on the sustainability of the demand signal. We'll continue to watch it. We are discussing with our customers as we speak, and we'll report back during the July call.
Haviv Ilan: That's the opportunity we have in 2026. Again, all depends on the sustainability of the demand signal. We'll continue to watch it. We are discussing with our customers as we speak, and we'll report back during the July call.
Mike Beckman: Thanks, Chris. Haviv, do you want to close us out?
Mike Beckman: Thanks, Chris. Haviv, do you want to close us out?
That's what we are offering. So not only in, you know, supporting the part we promise them but also sometimes solving problems they have with other suppliers that's the opportunity we have in uh in 2026. But again, all depends of the, on the sustainability of the demand signal. So we'll continue to watch it. Uh, we are discussing with our customers as we speak and we'll report back during the July call.
Haviv Ilan: Yes. Let me wrap up with what we've said previously. At our core, we are engineers, and technology is the foundation of our company. Ultimately, our objective and the best metric to measure progress and generate value to owners is the long-term growth of free cash flow per share. Thank you all, and have a good evening.
Haviv Ilan: Yes. Let me wrap up with what we've said previously. At our core, we are engineers, and technology is the foundation of our company. Ultimately, our objective and the best metric to measure progress and generate value to owners is the long-term growth of free cash flow per share. Thank you all, and have a good evening.
Thanks, Chris. Have you—do you want to close this out?
Yes. Uh, so let me wrap up with what we've said, previously, at our core. We are engineers and technology is the foundation of our company, but ultimately our objective and the best metric to measure progress and generate value to owners is a long-term growth of free cash flow per share.
Thank you all and have a good evening.
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