Q1 2026 Humana Inc Earnings Call

April 29, 2026

Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Humana's First Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to Lisa Stoner, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #1: I'd now like to hand the conference over to Lisa Stoner, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you and good morning. I hope everyone had a chance to review our press release and prepared remarks, which are available on our website.

Lisa Stoner: Thank you. Good morning. I hope everyone had a chance to review our press release and prepared remarks, which are available on our website. We will begin this morning with brief remarks from Jim Rechtin, Humana's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Chief Financial Officer, Celeste Mellet. Following these remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session where Jim and Celeste will be joined by George Renaudin, Humana's President of Insurance Segment, and Dr. Sanjay Shetty, President of CenterWell. Before we begin our discussion, I need to advise call participants of our cautionary statement. Certain of the matters discussed in this conference call are forward-looking and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially.

Speaker #1: We will begin this morning with brief remarks from Jim Reckton, Humanis President and Chief Executive Officer, and Chief Financial Officer Celeste Mellet. Following these remarks, we will host a question-and-answer session where Jim and Celeste will be joined by George Rennitan, Humanis President of Insurance Segment, and Dr. Sanjay Shetty, President of CenterWell.

Speaker #1: Before we begin our discussion, I need to advise call participants of our cautionary statement. Certain of the matters discussed in this conference call are forward-looking and involve a number of risk and uncertainties.

Speaker #1: Actual results could differ materially. Investors are advised to read the detailed risk factors discussed in our latest Form 10-K, our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and our fourth quarter 2025 earnings press release as they relate to forward-looking statements along with other risk discussed in our SEC filings.

Lisa Stoner: Investors are advised to read the detailed risk factors discussed in our latest Form 10-K or other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission in our Q4 2025 earnings press release as they relate to forward-looking statements, along with other risks discussed in our SEC filings. We undertake no obligation to publicly address or update any forward-looking statements in future filings or communications regarding our business or results. Today's press release, our historical financial news release, and our filings with the SEC are also available on our investor relations site. Call participants should note that today's discussion includes financial measures that are not in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP. Management's explanation for the use of these non-GAAP measures and reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are included in today's press release.

Speaker #1: We undertake no obligation to publicly address or update any forward-looking statements in future filings or communications regarding our business or results. Today's press release is a historical financial news release, and our filings with the SEC are also available on our investor relations site.

Speaker #1: Call participants should note that today's discussion includes financial measures that are not in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP. Management's explanation for the use of these non-GAAP measures and reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are included in today's press release.

Speaker #1: Any references to earnings per share, or EPS, made during this conference call refer to diluted earnings per common share. Finally, this call is being recorded for replay purposes.

Lisa Stoner: Any references to earnings per share or EPS made during this conference call refer to diluted earnings per common share. Finally, this call is being re-recorded for replay purposes. That replay will be available on the investor relations page of Humana's website, humana.com, later today. With that, I will turn the call over to Jim.

Speaker #1: That replay will be available on the investor relations page of Humanis website, humana.com/later-today. With that, I will turn the call over to Jim. Thank you, Lisa, and good morning, everyone.

Jim Rechtin: Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We have a few headlines. Let me start with we are pleased with our first quarter, that is because we are where we expect it to be. I'm just gonna repeat that for emphasis. We are pleased with our first quarter because we are where we expect it to be. Right now, second headline, we are turning our attention to bids, we are approaching bids with a focus on returning to a sustainable margin of at least 3% in 2028 and making progress against that in 2027. We know that we need to make some progress against that in 2027. Those are the commitments we laid out in June of last year at Investor Day, we stand by those commitments.

Speaker #1: Thank you for joining us today. We have a few headlines. Let me start with we are pleased with our first quarter and that is because we are where we expect it to be.

Speaker #1: And I'm just going to repeat that for emphasis. We are pleased with our first quarter because we are where we expect it to be.

Speaker #1: And right now, second headline, we are turning our attention to bids. And we are approaching bids with a focus on returning to a sustainable margin of at least 3% in 2028 and making progress against that in 2027.

Speaker #1: We know that we need to make some progress against that in 2027. Those are the commitments we laid out in June of last year at Investor Day, and we stand by those commitments.

Speaker #1: The primary headline here is that we believe that we are on track to meet our commitments from Investor Day, and we're doing the things to follow through on that.

Jim Rechtin: The primary headline here is that we believe that we are on track to meet our commitments from Investor Day, and we're doing the things to follow through on that. As usual, I will frame my comments today around the four drivers of our business. First is product and experience, which drive customer retention and growth. Second is clinical excellence, which delivers clinical outcomes and medical margin. Third, highly efficient operations. Fourth, capital allocation and growth in both CenterWell and Medicaid. Let's start with product and experience, where there are three things that I want you to take away. First of all, our member growth trajectory is on track. Now we will, and we have, and we will continue to manage distribution and growth dynamically if things change, but our growth trajectory is on track.

Speaker #1: So as usual, I will frame my comments today around the four drivers of our business. First is product and experience, which drive customer retention and growth.

Speaker #1: Second is clinical excellence, which delivers clinical outcomes and medical margin. Third, highly efficient operations. And fourth, capital allocation and growth in both CenterWell and Medicaid.

Speaker #1: So let's start with product and experience, where there are three things that I want you to take away. First of all, our member growth trajectory is on track.

Speaker #1: Now, we will and we have and we will continue to manage distribution and growth dynamically if things change. But our growth trajectory is on track.

Speaker #1: Second, I want to emphasize that membership, both new and returning, is performing as expected three months into the year. Now, as we turn our attention to bids for the 2027 plan year, I want to express appreciation for CMS's engagement on the improved rate notice.

Jim Rechtin: I want to emphasize that membership, both new and returning, is performing as expected 3 months into the year. As we turn our attention to bids for the 2027 plan year, I want to express appreciation for CMS's engagement on the improved rate notice. This helps promote more stability in the industry as a whole, and it has a positive impact on the health of our seniors. Medical cost trend continues to outpace program funding. Our third takeaway, which is something we have noted previously, is that we will adjust benefits to remain on track to deliver our 2028 commitment of returning to a sustainable margin of at least 3%. Again, we expect to make the necessary progress towards that goal in 2027. We are very aware that we need to make some progress in 2027.

Speaker #1: This helps promote more stability in the industry as a whole, and it has a positive impact on the health of our seniors. Nevertheless, medical cost trend continues to outpace program funding.

Speaker #1: And so our third takeaway - which is something we have noted previously - is that we will adjust benefits to remain on track to deliver our 2028 commitment of returning to a sustainable margin of at least 3%.

Speaker #1: And again, we expect to make the necessary progress towards that goal in 2027. We are very aware that we need to make some progress in 2027.

Speaker #1: So, turning to clinical excellence, our outlook on BY28 Stars has not changed. We continue to be confident that we're on the right track to return to top quartile Stars results in BY28.

Jim Rechtin: Turning to clinical excellence, our outlook on BY'28 stars has not changed. We continue to be confident that we're on the right track to return to top quartile stars results in BY'28. Our performance on the stars compensation metric, as disclosed in our proxy, is a good indicator of our progress. However, as you know, we don't know industry thresholds. While we feel good about our progress, we cannot guarantee an outcome in October. We will share more about our progress in the Q2 earnings call once the hybrid season is complete. For BY29 stars, we are seeing a strong early start. We have early engagement efforts. These are new efforts, early engagement efforts, which are translating into improved member activation and improved outcomes. To provide just one example, we're identifying certain chronic conditions among new members faster than we have in the past.

Speaker #1: Our performance on the stars compensation metric, as disclosed in our proxy, is a good indicator of our progress. However, as you know, we don't know industry thresholds.

Speaker #1: And so while we feel good about our progress, we cannot guarantee an outcome in October. We will share more about our progress in the Q2 earnings call once the hybrid season is complete.

Speaker #1: For BY29 stars, we are seeing a strong early start. We have early engagement efforts. These are new efforts, early engagement efforts. Which are translating into improved member activation and improved outcomes.

Speaker #1: To provide just one example, we're identifying certain chronic conditions among new members faster than we have in the past. What this allows us to do is to better target our GAAP closure efforts.

Jim Rechtin: What this allows us to do is to better target our gap closure efforts. As a result, at the end of Q1, we are about 5% ahead of last year's gap closure pace on a per-member basis on certain key HEDIS metrics. Now, regarding highly efficient operations, we continue to make progress on our operating model changes. This includes centralizing certain teams, expanding outsourcing, and increased automation of processes. All of these things are increasing efficiencies. Finally, on capital allocation, we recently completed the acquisition of MaxHealth. This is a Florida-based primary care organization that will expand CenterWell's reach into new critical markets. We also saw Medicaid membership grow by approximately 50,000 lives, and this is largely driven by the January start of programs in Michigan, Illinois, and South Carolina.

Speaker #1: And as a result, at the end of Q1, we are about 5% ahead of last year's GAAP closure pace on a per-member basis on certain key HEDIS metrics.

Speaker #1: Now, regarding highly efficient operations, we continue to make progress on our operating model changes. This includes centralizing certain teams, expanding outsourcing, and increased automation of processes.

Speaker #1: All of these things are increasing efficiencies. And then finally, on capital allocation, we recently completed the acquisition of Max Health. This is a Florida-based primary care organization that will expand CenterWell's reach into new critical markets.

Speaker #1: We also saw Medicaid membership grow by approximately 50,000 lives, and this is largely driven by the January start of programs in Michigan, Illinois, and South Carolina.

Speaker #1: So, in conclusion, we expect to double individual MA margin in 2026, adjusted for stars. We expect to double individual MA margin. We continue to feel good about the way our member growth is setting us up for this year and subsequent years.

Jim Rechtin: In conclusion, we expect to double Individual MA margin in 2026, adjusted for Stars. We expect to double Individual MA margin. We continue to feel good about the way our member growth is setting us up for this year and subsequent years. We are making good progress on Stars. We will continue to be disciplined in pricing with a focus on unlocking the earnings power of the business by 2028. As a final note, before I turn it over to Celeste Mellet, I want to share an update on the Insurance leadership transition that we announced in December. George Renaudin, Insurance Segment President, will retire effective 29 June 2026. Until then, he will focus primarily on the annual MA bid process, and he will continue to serve as a strategic advisor through at least the end of 2026.

Speaker #1: We are making good progress on stars. We will continue to be disciplined in pricing with a focus on unlocking the earnings power of the business by 2028.

Speaker #1: As a final note before I turn it over to Celeste, I want to share an update on the insurance leadership transition that we announced in December.

Speaker #1: George Renneden, insurance segment president, will retire, effective June 29th, 2026. Until then, he will focus primarily on the annual MA bid process and he will continue to serve as a strategic advisor through at least the end of 2026.

Speaker #1: Aaron Martin, who is currently president of Medicare Advantage, will begin leading the day-to-day management of the insurance segment now. He will continue to report to George.

Jim Rechtin: Aaron Martin, who is currently President of Medicare Advantage, will begin leading the day-to-day management of the Insurance Segment now. He will continue to report to George, and he will formally assume the role of Insurance Segment President when George retires. John Barger, a thirty-year industry veteran with more than a decade in Medicare Advantage, will lead MA operations effective immediately and will formally assume the role of President of Medicare Advantage when Aaron transitions. I want to personally thank George for his nearly three decades of service to Humana and his instrumental impact on growing the Medicare Advantage business. With that, I will turn it to Celeste for a few remarks before we go to Q&A.

Speaker #1: And he will formally assume the role of insurance segment president when George retires. John Barger, a 30-year industry veteran with more than a decade in Medicare Advantage, will lead MA operations effective immediately and will formally assume the role of president of Medicare Advantage when Aaron transitions.

Speaker #1: I want to personally thank George for his nearly three decades of service to Humana and his instrumental impact on growing the Medicare Advantage business.

Speaker #1: And with that, I will turn it to Celeste for a few remarks before we get a Q&A. Thank you, Jim. There are a couple of items I will briefly address before we begin Q&A.

Celeste Mellet: Thank you, Jim. There are a couple of items I will briefly address before we begin Q&A. First, we are pleased that available information to date suggests that our Medicare Advantage members, both new and existing, are performing in line to better than our guidance, even after adjusting for a more subdued flu season and the winter storms. This data, including what we continue to monitor in April, includes risk scores, Admits Per Thousand, or APTs, pharmacy claims, and initial medical claims, which are continuing to complete for the Q1. We continue to enhance our claims and cost trend monitoring practices, including anomaly detection to identify and react to claims and payment trends faster, as well as to improve first-time payment accuracy. This important work improves visibility into cost trends and further strengthens payment integrity. Turning to capital deployment and the balance sheet.

Speaker #1: First, we are pleased that available information to date suggests that our Medicare Advantage members both new and existing are performing in line to better than our guidance, even after adjusting for a more subdued flu season and the winter storms.

Speaker #1: This data including what we continue to monitor in April includes risk scores, hospital admits per thousand or APTs, pharmacy claims, and initial medical claims, which are continuing to complete for the first quarter.

Speaker #1: And we continue to enhance our claims and cost trend monitoring practices, including anomaly detection, to identify and react to claims and payment trends faster, as well as to improve first-time payment accuracy.

Speaker #1: This work this important work improves visibility into cost trends and further strengthens payment integrity. Turning to capital deployment and the balance sheet, in the first quarter of last year, I posited that there was a real opportunity to increase the efficiency and resiliency of our balance sheet.

Celeste Mellet: In the first quarter of last year, I posited that there was a real opportunity to increase the efficiency and resiliency of our balance sheet. Over the last 12 months, we have made considerable progress towards this end. Our efforts include bolstering liquidity and addressing future funding needs with rating agency-friendly instruments, such as the $1 billion junior subordinated notes we completed in March, which is expected to fund 2027 maturities. In addition, we executed on several initiatives to optimize the balance sheet, including deploying subsidiary reinsurance and augmenting legal entity structures, successfully mitigating over $3 billion in capital contribution requirements for 2026.

Speaker #1: Over the last 12 months, we have made considerable progress towards this end. Our efforts include bolstering liquidity and addressing future funding needs with rating agency-friendly instruments such as the $1 billion junior subordinated notes we completed in March, which is expected to fund 2027 maturities.

Speaker #1: In addition, we executed on several initiatives to optimize the balance sheet, including deploying subsidiary reinsurance and augmenting legal entity structures, successfully mitigating over $3 billion in capital contribution requirements for 2026.

Speaker #1: We are maintaining dividend levels and limiting share repurchases to amounts necessary to offset dilution from employee stock compensation though intend to increase both when our cash flows and funding capacity grow with the execution of the plan laid out at our investor day.

Celeste Mellet: We are maintaining dividend levels and limiting share repurchases to amounts necessary to offset dilution from employee stock compensation and intend to increase both when our cash flows and funding capacity grow with the execution of the plan laid out at our Investor Day. We are pursuing non-core asset divestitures to help fund strategic acquisitions and expect to share more news with you on this front over the next several months. All in, we are pleased with the results of our balance sheet enhancements and are comfortable with our capital levels, which provide a prudent buffer above regulatory and rating agency requirements. Consistent with this disciplined approach, we continue to evaluate a pipeline of initiatives to further strengthen the balance sheet. Lastly, let me reiterate the key messages that Jim highlighted.

Speaker #1: And we are pursuing non-core asset divestitures to help fund strategic acquisitions and expect to share more news with you on this front over the next several months.

Speaker #1: All in, we are pleased with the results of our balance sheet enhancements and are comfortable with our capital levels which provide a prudent buffer above regulatory and rating agency requirements.

Speaker #1: Consistent with this disciplined approach, we continue to evaluate a pipeline of initiatives to further strengthen the balance sheet. Lastly, let me reiterate the key messages that Jim highlighted.

Speaker #1: We are pleased with a solid start to 2026 and believe our expanded membership base relentless focus on returning to top quartile stars and pricing discipline position us well to deliver a stable and compelling MA margin and unlock the earnings potential of the business by 2028 as laid out at our investor day last year.

Celeste Mellet: We are pleased with the solid start to 2026. Believe our expanded membership base, relentless focus on returning to top quartile stars, and pricing discipline position us well to deliver a stable and compelling MA margin and unlock the earnings potential of the business by 2028 as laid out at our Investor Day last year. We remain committed to taking appropriate action to meet the commitments we have made to you. I will now turn the call back to Lisa to start the Q&A.

Speaker #1: We remain committed to taking appropriate action to meet the commitments we have made to you. I will now turn the call back to Lisa to start the Q&A.

Speaker #2: Thank you, Celeste. Before starting the Q&A, just a quick reminder that in fairness.

Lisa Stoner: Thank you, Celeste. Before starting the Q&A, just a quick reminder that in fairness to those waiting in the queue, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question. With that, operator, please introduce the first caller.

Speaker #1: To those waiting in the queue, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question. With that operator, please introduce the first caller.

Speaker #3: Our first question comes from Anne Hines. With Mizuho.

Operator: Our first question comes from Ann Hynes with Mizuho.

Speaker #4: Great. Good morning. Thank you. I would just like to dig into DCP and IBNR a bit. From the press release, it looks like IBNR grew about 35% sequentially, and this is versus a 22% membership growth when looking at just total Medicare Advantage.

Ann Hynes: Great. Good morning. Thank you. I would just like to dig into DCP and IBNR a bit. From the press release, it looks like IBNR grew about 35% sequentially, and this is versus a 22% membership growth when looking at just total Medicare Advantage. Could you provide some insights into the drivers of this elevated IBNR growth relative to the membership growth and also relative to your expectations coming in line, if it came in line with your expectations? Is this a conservatism on your part? Anything would be great. Any more details would be great. Thank you.

Speaker #4: Could you provide some insights into the drivers of this elevated IBNR growth relative to the membership growth and also relative to your expectations coming in line if it came in line with your expectations?

Speaker #4: And is this a conservatism on your part? Anything would be great. Any more details would be great. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Hi, Anne. Thanks for your question. So, consistent with the prudent assumptions we embedded in our guidance at the beginning of the year, which we are maintaining, we did take a prudent approach to claims reserves for the quarter given how early it is in the year and given the membership growth.

Celeste Mellet: Hi, Ann. Thanks for your question. Consistent with the prudent assumptions we embedded in our guidance at the beginning of the year, which we are maintaining, we did take a prudent approach to claims reserves for the quarter, given how early it is in the year and given the membership growth. You are right, IBNR was up 35%, well above the growth in membership. We typically point you to looking at membership growth to understand how IBNR should flow. We believe we are prudently reserved, you know, coming out of Q1, just given the year ahead. I want to reiterate that we feel very good about what we saw in Q1 and through the end of April in terms of all of the early indicators and completed claims.

Speaker #5: So you are right. IBNR was up 35% well above the growth in membership. We typically point you to looking at membership growth to understand how IBNR should flow.

Speaker #5: So we believe we are prudently reserved at coming out of the first quarter just given the year ahead. I want to reiterate, though, we feel very good about what we saw in the first quarter and through the end of April in terms of all of the early indicators and completed claims and what we're seeing in April so far is fairly consistent with what we saw in the first quarter.

Celeste Mellet: What we're seeing in April so far is fairly consistent with what we saw in Q1.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Andrew Mock with Barclays.

Operator: Our next question comes from Andrew Mok with Barclays.

Andrew Mok: Hi, good morning. Wanted to ask about the Welsh Carson put call options, given some near-term exercise windows. First, do you plan to exercise your June call options for the first two clinic cohorts? Second, if Welsh Carson were to exercise the full amount of its put options, what would the total cash obligation look like in 2027 and 2028? Thanks.

Speaker #6: Hi. Good morning. Wanted to ask about the Welsh Carson put call options given some near-term exercise windows. First, do you plan to exercise your June call options for the first two clinic cohorts?

Speaker #6: And second, if Welsh Carson were to exercise the full amount of its put options, what would the total cash obligation look like in 27 and 28?

Speaker #6: Thanks.

Speaker #5: Hi, Andrew. It's Celeste. So we need to make a decision on the put call option in the middle of this year. We will obviously be mindful of all of the other things that are going on in our cash position or in our balance sheet.

Celeste Mellet: Hi, Andrew, it's Celeste. We need to make a decision on the put call option in the middle of this year. We will obviously be mindful of, you know, all of the other things that are going on in our cash position or in our balance sheet. I would say that Welsh Carson has been an amazing partner to us, and we're proud of what we've built together in a leading primary care business for seniors and continue to see structural value in this type of relationship. In terms of if they put to us next year, next year would be the beginning of the first put, it would be about $1 billion to $1.5 billion in 2027.

Speaker #5: I would say that Welsh Carson has been an amazing partner to us, and we're proud of what we've built together in leading a primary care business for seniors, and continue to see structural value in this type of relationship.

Speaker #5: In terms of if they put to us next year, so next year would be the beginning of the first put, it would be about a billion to a billion and a half dollars in 2027.

Speaker #5: And to be clear, the only they can only put the 25 cohort to us in 2027, but both would be about a billion to a billion and a half.

Celeste Mellet: To be clear, they can only put the 25 cohort to us in 2027, but both would be about $1 billion to a billion and a half. We have included any outflows related to puts or calls in our funding plan.

Speaker #5: And we have included any outflows related to puts or calls in our funding plan.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Justin Lake with Wolff Research.

Operator: Our next question comes from Justin Lake with Wolfe Research.

Justin Lake: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to talk a little bit more about your 2027 bidding strategy. I appreciate your prepared remarks around rates and trend for 2027 and how you'll be reducing benefits to bridge the delta between those two numbers and protect margins. I want to ask your thoughts about protecting margins beyond that. Specifically, the reality that the full cost profile of your members probably won't be known for a couple of months, combined with the fact that you're in my confidence that you're going to get your stars back for 2028, will reduce your TVC for 2028.

Speaker #7: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to talk a little bit more about your 27 bidding strategy. I appreciate your prepared remarks around rates and trend for 27 and how you'll be reducing benefits to bridge the delta between those two numbers and protect margins.

Speaker #7: But I want to ask your thoughts about protecting margins beyond that, specifically the reality that the full cost profile of your members probably won't be known for a couple of months, combined with the fact that you're, in my confidence, that you're going to get your stars back for '28.

Speaker #7: We'll reduce your TVC for 2028. So I want to ask how investors should think about the potential that the company might add some cushion to bids above and beyond that retrend differential you talked about to reflect this new member uncertainty in the 2028 TVC reality in order to protect 2027 margins.

Justin Lake: I want to ask how investors should think about the potential that the company might add some cushion to bids above and beyond that rate trend differential you talked about to reflect this new member uncertainty in the 2028 TVC reality in order to protect 2027 margins. Thanks.

Speaker #7: Thanks.

Speaker #8: Yeah. Hey, Justin, thanks for the question. I'll start, and then George will probably jump in here as well. So, let me just be clear about how we're thinking about bids as we go into the year.

Jim Rechtin: Yeah. Hey, Justin, thanks for the question. I'll start, then George will probably jump in here as well. Let me just be clear about how we're thinking about bids as we go into the year. Yeah, obviously, there's only so much detail that we can get into, but we can certainly share kind of philosophically what our principles are as we approach the bid. Number one is the focus on being back to a normalized margin of at least 3% in 2028. To be there in 2028, we have to look at 2027, and we have to be mindful of the progress that we need to make in order to be on track for 2028. That certainly takes into account TVC considerations.

Speaker #8: Obviously, there's only so much detail that we can get into, but we can certainly share, kind of philosophically, what our principles are as we approach the bid.

Speaker #8: So number one, is the focus on being back to a normalized margin of at least 3% in 2028? And so to be there in 2028, we have to look at 2027 and we have to be mindful of the progress that we need to make in order to be on track for 2028.

Speaker #8: That certainly takes into account TVC considerations. It takes into account what we do and what we don't know about the current cohort. All of those things have to be accounted for in our bid strategy this year.

Jim Rechtin: It takes into account what we do and what we don't know about the current cohort. All of those things have to be accounted for in our bid strategy this year. Like, that is priority number one. Priority number two is within the constraints of priority number one. I'm just gonna again, I'm gonna emphasize that one more time. Within the constraints of priority number one, we want to provide as much stability as we can, reasonably, to our members so that we retain them. So retention is priority number two. Retention, retention.

Speaker #8: That is priority number one. Priority number two is within the constraints of priority number one, and I'm just going to again, I'm going to emphasize that one more time.

Speaker #8: Within the constraints of priority number one, we want to provide as much stability as we can reasonably to our member so that we retain them.

Speaker #8: So retention is priority number two. Retention, retention, retention. And the way that you do that is you have to understand the different segments of your customers.

Jim Rechtin: The way that you do that is you have to understand the different segments of your customers, you have to understand what their needs are, and to the extent that you make adjustments to benefits, you do it in a way where it has the least impact on the things that are most important to them. It doesn't mean you don't make adjustments. It means you do it in a way that is thoughtful to your members. Look, the third priority is growth, and that's a distant third priority. If we happen to grow some, great, but the priority is not growth. The priority is, number one, being on track for 2028, and number two, retaining the members that we have. Because again, churn is expensive, and we wanna minimize churn the most we can. George, what would you add to that?

Speaker #8: You have to understand what their needs are. And to the extent that you make adjustments to benefits, you do it in a way where it has the least impact on the things that are most important to them.

Speaker #8: It doesn't mean you don't make adjustments. It means you do it in a way that is thoughtful to your members. And then look, the third priority is growth.

Speaker #8: And that's a distant third priority if we happen to grow some great. But the priority is not growth. The priority is, number one, being on track for 2028.

Speaker #8: And number two, retaining the members that we have. Because again, churn is expensive. And we want to minimize churn the most we can. George, what would you add to that?

Speaker #9: Yeah, thanks, Jim. Justin, the other thing just to consider is that as we're looking through this, we are going market by market. So it's not just a matter of taking a look at the various benefits and paying a lot of attention to those that Jim mentioned.

George Renaudin: Yeah. Thanks, Jim. Justin, the other thing just to consider is that as we're looking through this, we are going market by market. It's not just a matter of taking a look at the various benefits and paying a lot of attention to those that Jim mentioned our members care about most, and it also help drive better health outcomes and better Stars results. It's also looking at it market by market, understanding the environment we're in with various providers, and going through each one of those geographies. It's not just a matter of benefit changes, you also have to look at geographies and make sure that every geography is going to be supportive to the long-term trajectory of what we're trying to accomplish to get to our 2028 targets. We'll make a lot of progress in 2027.

Speaker #9: Our members care about most. And it also helped drive better health outcomes and better stars results. But it's also looking at it market by market, understanding the environment we're in with various providers, and going through each one of those geographies.

Speaker #9: Because it's not just a matter of benefit changes. You also have to look at geographies to make sure that every geography is going to be supportive to the long-term trajectory of what we're trying to accomplish to get to our 28 targets.

Speaker #9: And we'll make a lot of progress in 27. We also do have fairly good amount of information now about the new cohort. It is not perfect information by any means.

George Renaudin: We also do have fairly good amount of information now about the new cohort. It is not perfect information by any means, but as Celeste has mentioned, all the key indicators of both our new and concurrent members we have, and those are lining up according to expectations. Our APTs, our authorizations, pharmacy, MRA, all those things are lining up the way that we were expecting as Celeste mentioned in her opening comments. The other thing just to emphasize here is one of the things that we are seeing in the industry today is that the industry is taking, it appears to be anyway, a more measured approach given the funding environment medical trend. The help we receive from CMS is helpful, but it is not, as Jim said, keeping up with medical trends.

Speaker #9: But as Celeste has mentioned, all the key indicators for both our new and concurrent members are in place, and those are lining up according to our expectations.

Speaker #9: Our APTs, our authorizations, pharmacy, MRA—all those things are lining up the way that we were expecting, as Celeste mentioned in her opening comments.

Speaker #9: And the other thing just to emphasize here is, one of the things that we are seeing in the industry today is that the industry is taking, it appears to be anyway, a more measured approach given the funding environment, medical trend, and the help we receive from CMS.

Speaker #9: It's helpful, but it is not, as Jim said, keeping up with medical trend. So we and others are having to make benefit adjustments, geographic adjustments, in line with those expectations to continue to make progress towards our '28 goals.

George Renaudin: We and others are having to make benefit adjustments, geographic adjustments in line with those expectations to continue to make progress towards our 2028 goals.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Jason Cazorla with Guggenheim Partners.

Operator: Our next question comes from Jason Cassorla with Guggenheim Partners.

Speaker #10: Great. Thanks. Good morning. Maybe just a quick one on earnings seasonality. You guided two QMLRs slightly above 91. It represents a deceleration in the year-over-year step-up in MLR compared to this first quarter.

Jason Cassorla: Great. Thanks. Good morning. Maybe just a quick one on earnings seasonality. You guided Q2 MLR slightly above 91. It represents a deceleration in the year-over-year step up in MLR compared to this Q1. I guess with your significant new member growth and the Stars headwind, maybe can you just help bridge us to that MLR expectation for the Q2? That would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker #10: I guess with your significant new member growth and the stars headwind, maybe can you just help bridge us to that MLR expectation for the second quarter?

Speaker #10: That would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker #11: Yeah. Hey, so the first quarter to second quarter change this year versus last year is very much affected by the levels of PPD. So a year ago, we had higher PPD in the first quarter.

Celeste Mellet: Yeah. Hey, the Q1 to Q2 change this year versus last year is very much affected by the levels of PPD. A year ago, we had higher PPD in the Q1. If you recall, we've talked about how we reserved fairly conservatively at the end of 2024, given the regulatory uncertainty. We were in a more regular position at the end of 2025. We released more PPD in the Q1 of 2025 than the Q1 of 2026, so that the seasonality from the Q1 to the Q2 is less pronounced than it was last year.

Speaker #11: If you recall, we've talked about how we reserved fairly conservatively at the end of '24, given the regulatory uncertainty. We were in a more regular position at the end of '25.

Speaker #11: So we released more PPD in the first quarter of '25 than the first quarter of '26 so that the seasonality, from the first quarter to the second quarter, is less pronounced than it was last year.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Steven Baxter with Wells Fargo.

Operator: Our next question comes from Stephen Baxter with Wells Fargo.

Speaker #12: Yeah. Hi. Thanks. I was hoping you could maybe expand a little bit on trend dynamics in the quarter. I guess maybe speaking ideally to how much of a benefit you think you might have seen from flu and weather in the quarter.

Stephen Baxter: Yeah. Hi. Thanks. I was hoping you could maybe expand a little bit on trend dynamics in the quarter. I guess maybe speaking, ideally to how much of a benefit you think you might have seen from flu and weather in the quarter. Then also potentially whether there's any difference in trend dynamics if you were to, you know, focus maybe more on the retained membership you had in the MA book. Thank you.

Speaker #12: And then also potentially whether there's any difference in trend dynamics if you were to focus maybe more on the retained membership you had in the MA book.

Speaker #12: Thank you.

Celeste Mellet: Hi. Thanks for your question. First of all, if you recall, we reported our Q4 and gave our guidance for the year in early February. We already had a pretty good understanding of flu. We had captured the more beneficial flu season in our guidance. It was very, very modestly better than we had expected, but, you know, de minimis. As it relates to weather, it's fairly easy to isolate the impact. If you think about where we are most concentrated from a plan perspective, it's in areas that were less affected by weather. We're able to strip out the impact of weather, and we're still seeing favorability running in line to ahead on all of the indicators that I mentioned to you.

Speaker #11: Yeah. Thanks for your question. So first of all, if you recall, we reported our fourth quarter and gave our guidance for the year in early February.

Speaker #11: So we already had a pretty good understanding of flu. And we had captured the more beneficial flu season in our guidance. It was very, very modestly better than we had expected.

Speaker #11: But de minimis. As it relates to weather, it's fairly easy to isolate the impact. And if you think about where we are most concentrated from a plan perspective, it's in areas that were less affected by weather.

Speaker #11: So we were able to strip out the impact of weather. And we're still seeing favorability running in line to ahead on all of the indicators that I mentioned to you.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from David Windley with Jefferies.

Operator: Our next question comes from David Windley with Jefferies.

David Windley: Thanks. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning. I wanted to switch to CenterWell and the operating cost ratio there, which ran a little higher than we were expecting. I wondered how much of that might be a result of the acquisitions and onboarding those

Speaker #9: Thanks. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning. I wanted to switch to Centerwell and the operating cost ratio there, which ran a little higher than we were expecting.

Speaker #9: I wondered how much of that might be a result of the acquisitions and onboarding those? And then for the consolidated, relatedly, the operating cost ratio seems to need to have a flatter trajectory through the year than would be normal for you.

David Windley: For the consolidated relatedly, the operating cost ratio seems to need to have a flatter trajectory through the year than would be normal for you. How are you planning to execute that? I am wondering if those two are related. Thanks.

Speaker #9: And how are you planning to execute that? And wondering if those two are related. Thanks.

Speaker #12: Great. Well, this is Sanjay. Thanks for the question. So first off, just stepping back and looking at Centerwell more broadly for the quarter, I would say we're really pleased with the solid growth across each of our lines of business in the first quarter.

Sanjay Shetty: Great. Well, this is Sanjay. Thanks for the question. First off, just stepping back and looking at CenterWell more broadly for the Q1, I would say we're really pleased with the solid growth across each of our lines of business in the Q1. We're seeing that both because of the growth in Humana's membership as well as our continued agnostic expansion. You can kinda see that across each of the three businesses. Starting with pharmacy, we continue to see industry-leading mail order penetration for our Medicare members, and it's been really nice uptake by new members in 2026. We're also continuing to expand our agnostic volume across specialty, direct-to-consumer, and direct-to-employer, including looking forward to the new Cost Plus partnership that we announced earlier this week. Second, in primary care, we're seeing really nice patient growth year to date.

Speaker #12: We're seeing that both because of the growth in Humana's membership as well as our continued agnostic expansion. And so you can kind of see that across each of the three businesses.

Speaker #12: Starting with pharmacy, we continue to see industry-leading mail order penetration for our Medicare members. And we've seen really nice uptake by new members in 2026.

Speaker #12: We're also continuing to expand our agnostic volume across specialty, direct-to-consumer, and direct-to-employer including looking forward to the new cost-plus partnership that we announced earlier this week.

Speaker #12: Second, in primary care, we're seeing really nice patient growth year to date. So sequentially, 110,000 patients or 22.5% sequential growth. And that's both through organic growth as well as through our recent acquisition of Max Health.

Sanjay Shetty: Sequentially, 110,000 patients or 22.5% sequential growth, and that's both through organic growth as well as through our recent acquisition of MaxHealth. In the home, we're seeing solid growth in CenterWell Home Health and within onehome, and that includes through the launch of the next phase of our skilled nursing facility value-based care model, now covering an additional 2 million patients. All in, we're really pleased with the growth and execution across CenterWell. I think one of the things you may have noticed is that in Q1, we did have a handful of items that will not repeat, and in some cases, will actually will reverse later in the year. I think that's what's what you're getting at.

Speaker #12: And in the home, we're seeing solid growth in Centerwell Home Health. And within one home, and that includes through the launch of the next phase of our skilled nursing facility value-based care model now covering an additional 2 million patients.

Speaker #12: So, all in, we're really pleased with the growth and execution across CenterWell. I think one of the things you may have noticed is that, in the first quarter, we did have a handful of items that will not repeat.

Speaker #12: And in some cases, we'll actually reverse later in the year. And so I think that's what you're getting at. A couple of examples of what those are, include the skin substitutes in our ACO Reach program in the primary care organization.

Sanjay Shetty: A couple of examples of what those are include the skin substitutes in our ACO REACH program in the primary care organization. That's both current year and continued run out from the prior year, for which CMS will hold us harmless. Second, some timing related items related to The Villages Health acquisition that as we continue to integrate, we'll see improvement for the rest of the year. Finally, some transaction and integration costs associated with the MaxHealth acquisition that were not previously contemplated in our Q1 guidance.

Speaker #12: That's both current year and continued run-out from the prior year, for which CMS will hold us harmless. Second, some timing-related items related to the Village's health acquisition that, as we continue to integrate, we'll see improvement for the rest of the year.

Speaker #12: And finally, some transaction and integration costs associated with the Max Health acquisition that were not previously contemplated in our Q1 guidance.

Celeste Mellet: Thanks, Sanjay. I'm just gonna add to that. Sorry. Sanjay, I'm just gonna add to that. First, if you're comparing to the first quarter of last year, particularly in CenterWell, it is a tough comparison. If you recall, we did mention one-time positivity, particularly in specialty pharmacy, which is driven by better than expected drug mix, and we also had some favorability in Q1 2025 in PCO. If you take a look at the OCR in CenterWell, it does actually tie to your question. It was in Q1 2025, it was well below the rest of 2025. This year is, you're gonna have a more normalized OCR level throughout the year rather than the ramp that we saw in Q1 2025 through the rest of the year.

Speaker #13: Hey, thanks, Sanjay. I'm just going to add to that. Oops.

Speaker #11: All right. And Sanjay, I'm just going to add to that first. If you're comparing to the first quarter of last year, particularly in CenterWell, it is a tough comparison.

Speaker #11: If you recall, we did mention one-time positivity particularly in specialty pharmacy, which was driven by better-than-expected drug mix. And then we also had some favorability in one Q25 in PCO.

Speaker #11: If you take a look at the OCR in Centerwell, it does actually tie to your question. It was in one Q25, it was well below the rest of 2025.

Speaker #11: This year is you're going to have a more normalized OCR level throughout the year. Rather than the ramp that we saw in one Q25 through the rest of the year.

Speaker #11: And just generally in Centerwell, I would look to 2024 for seasonality. We had about 20% of our earnings in Centerwell in the first quarter of '24.

Celeste Mellet: Just generally in CenterWell, I would look to 2024 for seasonality. We had about 20% of our earnings in CenterWell in Q1 of 2024. We expect about the same in 2026. Then just taking a step back to the consolidated OCR, yes, Q1 was impacted by some of the noise in the comparisons in CenterWell. Our expectations for the year are in line with what we laid out in our guidance. If you know, if you look towards the insurance business, you can see really nice progress there on the OCR, but we are still expecting a significant pickup in the OCR this year. Or improvement, I should say, not pickup.

Speaker #11: We expect about the same in 2026. And then just taking a step back to the consolidated OCR, yes, the first quarter was impacted by some of the noise in the comparisons in Centerwell.

Speaker #11: Our expectations for the year are in line with where we laid out in our guidance. And if you want to if you look towards the insurances as you can see really nice progress there on the OCR.

Speaker #11: But we are still expecting a significant pickup in the OCR this year or improvement, I should say, not pickup.

Speaker #3: Our next question comes from AJ Rice with UBS.

Operator: Our next question comes from A.J. Rice with UBS.

A.J. Rice: Hi, everybody. Maybe just going back to the MA side of things. I appreciate the comments about all the metrics you're tracking, they're tracking well. I think historically, there's always been this view that what reality's shown out is the Q2 claims experience really tells you whether you've got a problem or not. It sounds like some of these metrics are things you just normally would have tracked in prior years, maybe some are new that you've done because of your initiatives. I wondered if you could just give us a flavor for how much incremental information, given the initiatives you have, that you feel like you have to sort of get ahead of what normally shows up in the Q2.

Speaker #9: Hi, everybody. Maybe just going back to the MA side of things, I appreciate the comments about all the metrics you're tracking and they're tracking well.

Speaker #9: I think historically, there's always been this view that and what reality has shown out is the second quarter claims experience really tells you whether you've got a problem or not.

Speaker #9: It sounds like some of these metrics are things you just normally would have tracked in prior years. But maybe some are new that you've done because of your initiatives.

Speaker #9: And I wondered if you could just give us a flavor for how much incremental information, given the initiatives you have, that you feel like you have to sort of get ahead of what normally shows up in the second quarter.

Speaker #9: And just to follow up on one of the previous discussions about the bids, if you're expectation and a lot of what you're gearing for is the earnings power, in 2028, understanding the restrictions on TBC from year to year and understanding the desire to hold benefits constant, does that cause you to lean into making sure you hold on to membership because you're going to get this big lift on stars next year and maybe in a normal year, you go for more margin improvement next year.

A.J. Rice: Just to follow up on one of the previous discussions about the bids. If your expectation and a lot of what you're gearing for is the earnings power in 2028, understanding the restrictions on TBC from year to year and understanding the desire to hold benefits constant, does that cause you to lean into making sure you hold on to membership because you're gonna get this big lift on stars next year and maybe in a normal year you go for more margin improvement next year, but because you know stars and some of the other things happening for 2028 are gonna be positive, you'd sort of be willing to slow that progression just to hold on or even grow membership? Any thoughts on that aspect of your bid strategy?

Speaker #9: But because you know stars and some of the other things happening for '28 are going to be positive, you'd sort of be willing to slow that progression just to hold on or even grow membership?

Speaker #9: Any thoughts on that aspect of your bid strategy?

Jim Rechtin: Hey, A.J., let me start. First of all, there's a lot in there. I'm gonna try to tease it apart and hit the different components of it. I'll start. I'm sure either Celeste Mellet or George Renaudin will wanna weigh in as well. You know, let me just start with kind of the leading indicators. I think the way to think about our understanding of trend as it progresses through the year is that each incremental month-

Speaker #14: AJ, let me start. First of all, there's a lot in there. I'm going to try to tease it apart and hit the different components of it.

Speaker #14: I'll start. I'm sure either Celeste or George will want to weigh in as well. So let me just start with kind of the leading indicators.

Speaker #14: I think the way to think about our understanding of trend as it progresses through the year is that each incremental month is narrowing the range of possibilities of what you might see then for the balance of the year.

Jim Rechtin: Is narrowing the range of possibilities of what you might see then for the balance of the year. Of course, you don't have perfect information at the end of March. You don't have perfect information at the end of April. You don't even have perfect information, frankly, at the end of June. Each of those months is narrowing the range of outcomes that you might see for the rest of the year. You know, we're obviously looking at Q1, and as Celeste indicated, we have also taken an early look at April as it's coming in, and all of the indicators look as expected in that period of time. You know, what I would say is it's not so much that we're looking at new and more indicators. It's, it's more.

Speaker #14: So you don't, of course, you don't have perfect information at the end of March. You don't have perfect information at the end of April.

Speaker #14: You don't even have perfect information, frankly, at the end of June. But each of those months is narrowing the range of outcomes that you might see for the rest of the year.

Speaker #14: And so we're obviously looking at the first quarter. And as Celeste indicated, we have also taken an early look at April as it's coming in.

Speaker #14: And all of the indicators look as expected in that period of time. And then what I would say is it's not so much that we're looking at new and more indicators.

Speaker #14: It's more the way I would describe it is we are being more disciplined in looking at them on a regular basis and a regular cadence so that we understand that trend even more in real time than we have in the past.

Jim Rechtin: The way I would describe it is we are being more disciplined in looking at them on a regular basis and a regular cadence so that we understand that trend even more in real time than we have in the past. I mean, that's the way I describe it. Are we feeling better each month? Yes. Do we also want to see what happens at the end of the second quarter? Of course. Clearly, we want to see what happens at the end of the second quarter, and clearly, we will feel better then than we feel now. That's kind of how we think about that. On the second part, which I'm gonna now blank on.

Speaker #14: I mean, that's the way I describe it. So are we feeling better each month? Yes. Do we also want to see what happens at the end of the second quarter?

Speaker #14: Of course. Clearly, we want to see what happens at the end of the second quarter. And clearly, we will feel better than we feel now.

Speaker #14: So that's kind of how we think about that. On the second part, which I'm going to now blank on, is the bids—oh, yeah, bids in '28.

George Renaudin: Bids in 2028.

Jim Rechtin: Yeah, bids in 2028. You know, look, the way that we have thought about this, including last year, including this year, including next year, is that we have a margin expectation that is, you know, kind of consistent with over time being at a place that provides a sustainable, attractive margin for the business and a good return on capital. That during this period of time where we have, you know, the Stars challenges, we are making adjustments so that we can protect the business through that period of time while also making progress against margin. We're starting with where does our margin need to be each year? We did that this year. We started with where does our margin need to be this year?

Speaker #14: Look, the way that we have thought about this, including last year, including this year, including next year, is that we have a margin expectation that is kind of consistent with over time being at a place that provides a sustainable, attractive margin for the business and a good return on capital.

Speaker #14: And that during this period of time, where we have the stars challenges, we are making adjustments so that we can protect the business through that period of time while also making progress against margin.

Speaker #14: And so we're starting with where does our margin need to be each year? We did that this year. We started with where does our margin need to be this year?

Speaker #14: We don't start with, "Hey, how much do we want to grow?" We start with where does our margin need to be to be on track to 2028 and back to a sustainable and durable long-term margin?

Jim Rechtin: We don't start with, Hey, how much do we want to grow? We start with where does our margin need to be to be on track to 2028 and back to a sustainable and durable long-term margin? That is the first principle that we started with. That is the same thing we started with a year ago, frankly. Yes, we have an idea of the various scenarios that may play out in 2028. Obviously, we don't know what 2028 is going to look like, but we can kind of hone in on there's four or five different scenarios that might play out, and we need to plan for 2027 in a way that puts us in a situation where we can accommodate each of those scenarios.

Speaker #14: That is the first principle that we started with. That is the same thing we started with a year ago. Frankly, and so yes, we have an idea of the various scenarios that may play out in '28.

Speaker #14: Obviously, we don't know what 2028 is going to look like. But we can kind of hone in on—there's four or five different scenarios that might play out.

Speaker #14: And we need to plan for '27 in a way that puts us in a situation where we can accommodate each of those scenarios. And when I talk about multi-year planning, which I've done a lot of over the course of the last few years, that's what we're talking about.

Jim Rechtin: When I talk about multi-year planning, which I've done a lot of over the course of the last few years, that's what we're talking about. We should always be looking out 2 to 3 years and trying to understand how the external environment might evolve and making sure that we are putting in place plans and contingency plans that can accommodate the unknown across that period of time. That's really what we're doing. Let me open it up to Celeste or George to add.

Speaker #14: We should always be looking out two to three years and trying to understand how the external environment might evolve and making sure that we are putting in place plans and contingency plans that can accommodate the unknown across that period of time.

Speaker #14: And that's really what we're doing. So let me open it up to Celeste or George to add.

Celeste Mellet: Hey, I just want to add on the claims work. We're doing a lot more, both in the front, particularly on the front end of claims, where we are looking for anomalies and differences in terms of regional provider DRGs, just looking for things that might indicate that something which would normally be identified down the pike, something is different than our expectations. We're also spending a lot more time looking at the inventory, what's in there, and some of the drivers of that. On the back end, we're going deeper on the new member components than we typically would, as well as the overall.

Speaker #15: Hey, I just want to add on the claims work. We're doing a lot more both in the front, particularly on the front end of claims, where we are looking for anomalies and differences in terms of regional provider DRGs, just looking for things that might indicate that something which would normally be identified down the pike something is different than our expectations.

Speaker #15: And we're also spending a lot more time looking at the inventory, what's in there, and some of the drivers of that. And then on the back end, we're going deeper on the new member components than we typically would, as well as the overall.

Speaker #15: But breaking down in much more depth and more grain some of the things that we would look at. So we can identify hotspots faster if they exist.

Celeste Mellet: Breaking down, you know, in much more depth and more grain some of the things that we would look at, so we can identify hotspots faster if they exist. As I said previously, the early indicators and then the ongoing claims that we see are running in line to better than our expectations.

Speaker #15: And as I said previously, the early indicators and then the ongoing claims that we see are running in line to better than our expectations.

Speaker #16: Hey, it's George. Thanks, Celeste. I'll just add two quick things. One is we've talked in the past about how much progress we're making in our operability and the work we're doing in STARS where we're getting out ahead.

George Renaudin: It's George. Thanks, Celeste. I'll just add two quick things. One is we've talked in the past about how much progress we're making in interoperability and the work we're doing in Stars, where we're getting out ahead. Jim mentioned all the things we've done to be able to reach out on the front end to our members as they're coming in, our new members. That also is helping inform where we are. That's yet one more indicator. I want to be very direct on your question about TBC. We're very well aware of the TBC limitations. We're very well aware of what happens when TBC comes back with our expectations of what we're going to recover in Stars. That is very much part of our planning process as we're going to the 2027 bids.

Speaker #16: Jim mentioned all the things we've done. To be able to reach out on the front end to our members as they're coming in, our new members.

Speaker #16: That also is helping inform where we are. So that's yet one more indicator. And then on I want to be very direct on your question about TBC.

Speaker #16: We're very well aware of the TBC limitations. We're very well aware of what happens when TBC comes back, with our expectations of what we're going to recover in STARS.

Speaker #16: And so that is very much part of our planning process as we're going into the 27 bids.

Speaker #17: Our next question comes from Kevin Fishbeck with Bank of America.

Operator: Our next question comes from Kevin Fischbeck with Bank of America.

Speaker #18: Great. Thanks. I guess I really do like the commentary around focusing on margins first and foremost. But I just wanted to understand a little bit because this commentary because this year, you expect to double margins on an MA basis.

Kevin Fischbeck: Great. Thanks.

Kevin Fischbeck: I really do like the commentary around focusing on margins first and foremost, but I just wanted to understand a little bit 'cause this commentary, because this year you expect to double margins on an MA basis, and now you're saying next year you're willing to cut benefits even though this year you were able to do that without, you know, with a relatively stable benefit design. Are you saying that the funding shortfall for 2027 is bigger than the funding shortfall for 2026 as far as Humana goes? Is there something else around, you know, the timing of some of the cost-cutting initiatives on the G&A side that make next year potentially more reliant on benefits?

Speaker #18: And now you're saying next year, you're willing to cut benefits even though this year, you were able to do that without relatively stable benefit design.

Speaker #18: So are you saying that the funding shortfall for ’27 is bigger than the funding shortfall for ’26 as far as Humana goes? Or is there something else around the timing of some of the cost-cutting initiatives on the G&A side that make next year potentially more reliant on benefits?

Speaker #18: I'm just trying to understand the little bit of a change in tone here about margins and cutting benefits if necessary to achieve margin improvement.

Kevin Fischbeck: I'm just trying to understand, you know, the little bit of a change in tone here about margins and cutting benefits if necessary to achieve margin improvement. Thanks.

Speaker #18: Thanks.

Speaker #19: Yeah. Hey, again, I'll kick off. Anybody wants to add, feel free to add. The short answer is yes, the gap between funding and medical cost trend is larger going into this bid season than it was a year ago.

Jim Rechtin: Yeah. Hey, I'll kick off. Anybody wants to add, feel free to add. The short answer is yes, the gap between funding and medical cost trend is larger going into this bid season than it was a year ago. Like it's very clearly larger than it was a year ago. That is really what is driving our thinking. You know, we're still on track on our plans around cost management. We're still. You know, the other components that go into, you know, that go into our margin that we laid out, you know, last year in June, they are all largely on track. The difference right now is the funding environment relative to medical cost trend, that's mostly the funding environment.

Speaker #19: It's very clearly larger than it was a year ago. And that is really what is driving our thinking. And we're still on track on our plans around cost management.

Speaker #19: We're still the other components that go into that go into our margin that we laid out last year in June, they are all largely on track.

Speaker #19: The difference right now is the funding environment relative to medical cost trend. And that's mostly the funding environment. Medical cost trend has been relatively stable now for two years.

Jim Rechtin: Medical cost trend has been relatively stable, now for, you know, 2 years.

Speaker #19: So if I could just add one other piece to that, Kevin, and that is that while we appreciate what CMS has done to create a more stable environment, as we've said, the funding still doesn't keep up.

George Renaudin: If I could just add one other piece to that, Kevin. That is that, you know, while we appreciate what CMS has done to create a more stable environment, as we’ve said, the funding still doesn’t keep up. We will, this year, as we have in past years, make the appropriate adjustments. Just as a reminder, we were having to adjust benefits for 2 years, and we made those adjustments earlier than most of our competitors did. We continue to take a very disciplined approach as we go into this bid cycle, and you can expect that going forward.

Speaker #19: And we will this year, as we have in past years, make the appropriate adjustments. If you just as a reminder, we were having to adjust benefits for two years when we made those adjustments earlier than most of our competitors did.

Speaker #19: And so we continue to take a very disciplined approach as we go into this bid cycle, and you can expect that going forward.

Speaker #17: Our next question comes from Scott Fiddell with Goldman Sachs.

Operator: Our next question comes from Scott Fidel with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker #20: Hi. Thanks. Good morning. What about just two more targeted questions within two of the Medicare lines of business and just around the themes in terms of the monitoring and sort of early utilization trends?

Scott Fidel: Thanks. Good morning. Wanted to ask just two more targeted questions within two of the Medicare lines of business and just around the themes in terms of the monitoring and sort of early utilization trends. First would be just on Individual MA, how you're seeing sort of those trends and on the new members in particular, maybe playing out between HMO and PPO. Also, we really haven't talked much on PDP yet, where you have had pretty substantial growth. Curious around how the PDP line of business appears to be performing from a utilization perspective relative to the margin targets that you laid out in your guidance. Thanks.

Speaker #20: First would be just on individual MA and how you're seeing sort of those trends and on the new members in particular, maybe playing out between HMO and PPO.

Speaker #20: And then also we really haven't talked much on PDP yet where you have had pretty substantial growth. So curious around how the PDP line of business appears to be performing from an utilization perspective relative to the margin targets that you laid out in your guidance.

Speaker #20: Thanks.

Speaker #21: Hey, let me just hit PPO and HMO here for a second, and then I'll hand it off to the others to handle PDP and add to the commentary on PPO and HMO.

Jim Rechtin: Hey, let me just hit PPO and HMO here for a second, and then I'll hand it off to the others to handle PDP and add to the commentary on PPO and HMO. Look, the short answer is our portfolio as a whole is performing the way we expected it to perform. Like, that's the headline. I think more importantly, I just wanna continue to reinforce a message that we have delivered now for a couple of quarters, which is there is nothing inherently good or bad about any type of product. There's nothing inherent in the product that doesn't work. It is all about how do you price the product and how do you structure the product to target the right segments in the right way.

Speaker #21: Look, the short answer is our portfolio as a whole is performing the way we expected it to perform. That's the headline. But I think more importantly, I just want to continue to reinforce a message that we have delivered now for a couple of quarters which is there is nothing inherently good or bad about any type of product.

Speaker #21: There is nothing inherently there's nothing inherent in the product that doesn't work. It is all about how do you price the product and how do you structure the product to target the right segments in the right way.

Speaker #21: And if you kind of look back in time, because I know there's all this talk about, "Hey, PPO is bad. PPO is not good." Look, if you look back in time, we had a number of years where the industry priced PPO aggressively.

Jim Rechtin: If you kind of look back in time, you know, because I know there's all this talk about, hey, PPO is bad, PPO is not good. Look, if you look back in time, we had a number of years where the industry priced PPO aggressively, and we, the industry, were using PPO as a growth engine, pricing aggressively, and you saw disproportionate growth in PPO. You saw that happen at the expense of margin in that product. We spent 2 years repricing our PPO product. We spent 2 years repricing our PPO product, and most of the industry either did it with us or followed suit shortly thereafter. The result that you're seeing is that growth is rebalancing back to being more equal between HMO and PPO across the industry, we believe.

Speaker #21: And they were we, the industry, were using PPO as a growth engine. Pricing aggressively and you solve disproportionate growth in PPO. And you saw that happen at the expense of margin, in that product.

Speaker #21: We spent two years repricing our PPO product. We spent two years repricing our PPO product, and most of the industry either did it with us or followed suit shortly thereafter.

Speaker #21: And the result that you're seeing is that growth is rebalancing back to being more equal between HMO and PPO across the industry, we believe.

Speaker #21: And again, that is a result of the industry taking a different approach to how they price that product. And when we do that, that product can perform financially and we see that product performing financially.

Jim Rechtin: Again, that is a result of the industry taking a different approach to how they price that product. When we do that product can perform financially, and we see that product performing financially. Now, look, every year, we're gonna step back, and we're gonna look at our whole portfolio, and we're gonna say, Hey, are there pieces, are there geographies, are there pieces that we need to reconsider based on new information? The practical reality is all product, if priced appropriately, is good product. Right now, when we look at our portfolio, our portfolio is performing.

Speaker #21: Now, look, every year we're going to step back and we're going to look at our whole portfolio and we're going to say, "Hey, are there pieces?

Speaker #21: Are there geographies? Are there pieces that we need to reconsider based on new information?" But the practical reality is all product is priced appropriately is good product.

Speaker #21: And right now, when we look at our portfolio, our portfolio is performing.

Celeste Mellet: I'm just gonna add quickly, while we don't get into cohorts beyond new and concurrent members, as we called out, the what we're seeing from a claims perspective and an early indicator perspective on both new and concurrent members is, are running in line to better than expected.

Speaker #22: I'm just going to add quickly. While we don't get into cohorts beyond new and concurrent members, as we called out, what we're seeing from a claims perspective and an early indicator perspective on both new and concurrent members are running in line to better than expected.

Speaker #21: Hey, and then it's George. Scott, you also asked a question about the PDP. Just as we look at our PDP business today, it's online with our expectations that membership mix, the pharmacy trends we're seeing, and member behavior in line with expectations.

George Renaudin: It's George. Scott, you also asked a question about the PDP. Just as we look at our PDP business today, it's online with our expectations. The membership mix, the pharmacy trends we're seeing, and member behavior in line with expectations. We remain confident in our 2026 pricing. If you remember, our guidance is right along the same lines as our guidance for 2025. Relatively flat, but what we're seeing so far looks fairly good.

Speaker #21: So we remain confident in our 26 pricing. And if you remember, our guidance is right along the same lines as our guidance for 25.

Speaker #21: So relatively flat, but what we're seeing so far looks fairly good.

Speaker #17: Our next question comes from Aaron Wright with Morgan Stanley.

Operator: Our next question comes from Erin Wright with Morgan Stanley.

Erin Wright: Thanks. Sorry, excuse me. Operating leverage still stands as a meaningful contributor to that 2028 bridge. Can you remind us on the progress on addressing some of the operating costs? Was there any timing dynamics to call out in the quarter? Anything we should think about for the year? I guess, can you remind us of some of those components of the cost levers embedded in 2026 guidance, and what are some of the longer term opportunities, the progress relative to what you were thinking maybe a year ago at the Investor Day? Just have there been any changes or surprises on that front in terms of those levers near and longer term? Thanks.

Speaker #22: Hey, thanks. So sorry, excuse me. Operating leverage still stands as a meaningful contributor to that 2028 bridge. Just can you remind us on the progress on addressing some of the operating costs?

Speaker #22: Was there any timing dynamics to call out in the quarter or anything we should think about for the year? I guess, can you remind us of some of those components of the cost levers embedded in 2026 guidance and what are some of the longer-term opportunities?

Speaker #22: The progress relative to what you were thinking maybe a year ago at the Investor Day, and just, have there been any changes or surprises on that front in terms of those levers, near and longer-term?

Speaker #22: Thanks. Yeah. Hey, thanks for your question. So we are making great progress against our operating cost targets. In terms of the particular quarter, as I mentioned earlier, there's a little bit of noise just given the tough comparison.

Celeste Mellet: Yeah, thanks for your question. We are making great progress against our operating cost targets. In terms of the particular quarter, as I mentioned earlier, there's a little bit of noise just given the tough comparison to last year in CenterWell versus some of the less favorable one-time noise in CenterWell this year. Our expectations for the year are on track for what we had guided to you or at the beginning on our Q4 call. As it relates to the cost cutting, both tactical and strategic, we are making really excellent progress there. In terms of the tactical cost cutting measures that we talked about, we, Jim announced the early retirement program last year. We're continuing to see those employees exit.

Speaker #22: To last year in Centerwell versus some of the less favorable one-time noise in Centerwell this year, but our expectations for the year are on track for what we had guided to you or at the beginning on our fourth-quarter call.

Speaker #22: As it relates to the cost-cutting, both tactical and strategic we are making really excellent progress there. So in terms of the tactical cost-cutting measures that we talked about, we Jim announced the early retirement program last year.

Speaker #22: We're continuing to see those employees exit. The last of them will leave at the end of the second quarter. That gives an opportunity to folks who've been here for a really long time to if they'd like to go do something else or sail off into the sunset, and enjoy their lives outside of Humana, they can do that.

Celeste Mellet: The last of them will leave at the end of Q2. That, you know, gives an opportunity to folks who've been here for a really long time to, you know, if they'd like to go do something else or sail off into the sunset, and enjoy their lives outside of Humana, they can do that. We've been optimizing our internal policies. They squeeze out, you know, differences. They also, in some cases, get us more in line with corporate best practices. We've been improving productivity and increasing volume discounts while also improving payment terms with vendors. We've been consolidating our supplier base to drive better supplier relationships. Those are some of the more tactical things. Some of the more strategic long term, some of which are running through 2026, are changing and expanding our outsourcing capabilities.

Speaker #22: We've been optimizing our internal policies; they squeeze out differences. They also in some cases get us more in line with corporate best practices. We've been improving productivity and increasing volume discounts while also improving payment terms with vendors.

Speaker #22: And we've been consolidating our supplier base to drive better supplier relationships. Those are some of the more tactical things. Some of the more strategic, long-term—some of which are running through 2026—are changing and expanding our capabilities.

Speaker #22: What you'll see in 2026, where we're seeing the improvements, is really in some of our corporate functions, where we were well below industry benchmarks in terms of outsourcing.

Celeste Mellet: 2026, you'll see, well, where we're seeing the improvements is really in some of our corporate functions where we were well below industry benchmarks in terms of outsourcing percentages. We're getting closer to those benchmarks. In finance, for example, and HR recently made some changes there as well. Over the longer term, we see significant opportunities to consolidate our relationships and increase service and quality for our membership and our patients. At the same time, it'll also reduce costs. Continuing to standardize and simplify our processes, while leveraging technology to use more automation and create efficiency. Jim talked about our operating model changes. There are some components that have shifted already. We've been really focused on centralizing the things that make sense to centralize. You know, we believe it makes sense for us strategically, but it also does have

Speaker #22: Percentages, we're getting closer to those benchmarks. So in finance, for example, and HR recently made some changes there as well. Over the longer term, we see significant opportunities to consolidate our relationships and increase service and quality for our membership and our patients at the same time.

Speaker #22: They'll also reduce costs. Continuing to standardize and simplify our processes while leveraging technology to use more automation and create efficiency. And Jim talked about our operating model changes.

Speaker #22: There are some components that have shifted already. We've been really focused on centralizing the things that make sense to centralize. We believe it makes sense for a strategically, but it also does have is beneficial to our costs.

Celeste Mellet: is beneficial to our costs, and I think provides better and more consistent experiences for our members and our patients across the country. Those are just a few examples. Again, we are very confident in the progress that we are making this year and the targets we laid out for 2028.

Speaker #22: And I think it provides better and more consistent experiences for our members and our patients across the country. So those are just a few examples.

Speaker #22: And again, we are very confident in the progress that we are making this year and the targets we laid out for you for 2028.

Speaker #17: Our next question comes from Ben Hendricks with RBC Capital Markets.

Operator: Our next question comes from Ben Hendrix with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker #23: Thank you very much. I just wanted to follow up on some of the Centerwell commentary and just hoping to get any early observations within Centerwell on trend.

Ben Hendrix: Thank you very much. Just wanted to follow up on some of the CenterWell commentary. I was just hoping to get, you know, any early observations within CenterWell on trend. Anything to call out on patient profiles or patient behavior that you've observed across your expanded Medicare membership versus the growth that you're seeing in the carrier agnostic population? Thanks.

Speaker #23: Anything to call out on patient profiles or patient behavior that you've observed across your expanded Medicare membership versus the growth that you're seeing in the carrier agnostic population?

Speaker #23: Thanks.

Speaker #24: So this is Sanjay. Thank you for the question. So broadly speaking, for Centerwell, the growth in Humana is definitely a tailwind to the business across the three businesses.

Sanjay Shetty: This is Sanjay. Thank you for the question. Broadly speaking, for CenterWell, the growth in Humana is definitely a tailwind to the business across the three businesses. We see that within the pharmacy business, through the mail order penetration that we have in our Medicare business. We see that within the home solutions segment, both in CenterWell Home Health as well as within onehome, which as a reminder, is our post-acute value-based convener. Specifically within the primary care organization, that growth has been helped by the growth of Humana. Broadly speaking, what we're seeing in that population is in line with what the plan is seeing, as we enter the new year. Although it is very, very early for us in the year.

Speaker #24: We see that within the pharmacy business through the mail order penetration that we have in our Medicare business. We see that within the home solution segment, both in Centerwell Home Health as well as within One Home, which as a reminder is our post-acute value-based convener.

Speaker #24: And specifically within the primary care organization, that growth has been helped by the growth of Humana. Broadly speaking, what we're seeing in that population is in line with what the plan is seeing.

Speaker #24: As we enter the new year, although it is very, very early for us in the year, I think we will continue to monitor that as an early indicator. Some of the things that we track are engagement of those new patients, and those are tracking very much in line with expectations.

Sanjay Shetty: I think, you know, we will continue to monitor that.

Jim Rechtin: As an early indicator, though, some of the things that we track are engagement of those new patients, and those are tracking very much in line with expectations.

Speaker #17: Our next question comes from Lance Wilkes with Bernstein.

Operator: Our next question comes from Lance Wilkes with Bernstein.

Speaker #25: Great. We're wondering if you could help us understand some of the management processes that you put in place in order to drive the large number of key initiatives you've got.

Lance Wilkes: Great. Was wondering if you could help us understand some of the management processes that you've put in place in order to drive the large number of key initiatives you've got. The first key question I had was just with Stars, with the integration and value-based care of the acquisitions, Medicaid rollout, the PBM initiatives, and outsourcing initiatives, are those things that are being done sort of within each of the units, or are you setting up kind of flex corporate staff that are getting injected into those, and how are you monitoring and managing that? A kind of comparable question is, you've commented on how you're looking at cost trends, other key operating metrics, and just interested in how you're doing that more and faster. Is that an AI thing?

Speaker #25: And so the first key question I had was just with STARS, with the integration and value-based care of the acquisitions, Medicaid rollout, the PBM initiatives.

Speaker #25: And outsourcing initiatives. Are those things that are being done sort of within each of the units, or are you setting up kind of flex corporate staff that are getting injected into those?

Speaker #25: And how are you monitoring and managing that? And a kind of comparable question is, you commented on how you're looking at cost trends, other key operating metrics, and just interested in how you're doing that more and faster?

Speaker #25: Is that an AI thing? Is it merely you're just putting more staff to look at things more frequently? Or have you had any other sort of adjustments to some of the financial systems and clinical systems that enable you to do some of this?

Lance Wilkes: Is it merely you're just putting more staff to look at things more frequently? Have you had any other sort of adjustments to some of the financial systems and clinical systems that enable you to do some of this? Thanks.

Speaker #25: Thanks.

Speaker #24: Yeah. Hey, let me go ahead and touch on kind of management process around all the initiatives that we have. We actually did stand up a transformation office probably 15 to 17 months ago.

Jim Rechtin: Yeah, hey, let me go ahead and touch on kind of management process around all the initiatives that we have. We actually did stand up a transformation office, probably 15 to 17 months ago. We have staffed that with a combination of hiring some people from the outside, and we've moved some legacy teammates into that organization as well. You know, the way to think about it is they do two things. One is they're helping to, you know, to kind of track initiatives, just make sure that we're on track in making the progress that we expect, flagging issues or problems and, you know, escalating those to the appropriate place so they can get resolved.

Speaker #24: We have staffed that with a combination of hiring some people from the outside, and we've moved some legacy teammates into that organization as well.

Speaker #24: And the way to think about it is they do two things. One is they're helping to kind of track initiatives, just make sure that we're on track in making the progress that we expect flagging issues or problems and escalating those.

Speaker #24: To the appropriate place so they can get resolved. And then the second thing that they're doing is they're providing surge resources to the business, is kind of the way to think about it.

Jim Rechtin: The second thing that they're doing is they're providing surge resources to the business, is kind of the way to think about it, where there are temporary need for surge resources. Sometimes that surge resource is extra analytical horsepower, sometimes it's the arms and legs to get things done. The primary owner and driver of the change is the business. It's the individual functions and teams that need to work differently over time for this to be sustainable change. What the transformation office is an enabler, an accelerator, more than it is, you know, the entity that is making the change happen itself. The change has to occur in the base business, and the base business appropriately needs help sometimes getting that done. That really is what we put in place.

Speaker #24: Where there are temporary need for surge resources. Sometimes that surge resource is extra analytical horsepower. Sometimes it's the arms and legs to get things done.

Speaker #24: But the primary owner and driver of the change is the business. It's the individual functions and teams that need to work differently over time for this to be sustainable change.

Speaker #24: What the transformation office is, is an enabler and accelerator more than it is the entity that is making the change happen itself. The change has to occur in the base business.

Speaker #24: And the base business, appropriately, needs help sometimes getting that done. And so that really is what we put in place. Look, realistically—again, I think it was probably about 17 months ago that we put this in place.

Jim Rechtin: Look, realistically, again, I think it was probably about 17 months ago that we put this in place. It took 3, 4, maybe even 5 months for it to get up and running the way we wanted it to run. These things, when you start them off, they're always a little bit bumpy. Everybody's trying to figure out how to work together. Right now it's working quite well, and you're getting good feedback from the business in terms of the support they're getting. You know, the transformation office is kind of picking up momentum, as we go. That's the way I would describe it. Again, if others have anything to want to add.

Speaker #24: It took three, four, maybe even five months for it to get up and running the way we wanted it to run. These things, when you start them off, they're always a little bit bumpy.

Speaker #24: Everybody's trying to figure out how to work together. Right now, it's working quite well. And you're getting good feedback from the business in terms of the support they're getting.

Speaker #24: And the transformation office is kind of picking up momentum as we go. So that's the way I would describe it. Again, if others have anything to want to add.

George Renaudin: Jim, one thing I would just add is one of the things that the Transformation Office has added that's really helpful to us as operators is that, as we are tracking towards our 5-year plan, which we talked about Investor Day, and as we're talking about returning to our margin 2028, one of the things the Transformation Office helps us ensure we do at the business level is it keeps our eyes on the horizon where we're trying to go. That's one of the major inputs that the Transformation Office is doing beyond the surge help that Jim talked about.

Speaker #25: Jim, one thing I would just add is one of the things that the transformation office has added that's really helpful to us as operators is that as we are tracking towards our five-year plan, which we talked about investor day, and as we're talking about returning to our margin 28, one of the things the transformation office helps us ensure we do at the business level is it keeps our eyes on the horizon where we're trying to go.

Speaker #25: And so that's one of the major inputs that the transformation office is doing beyond the surge help that Jim talked about.

Speaker #17: Our final question comes from Michael Ha with Baird.

Operator: Our final question comes from Michael Ha with Baird.

Speaker #25: Great, thank you. I wanted to reframe Justin, AJ, and I guess Kevin's question a little differently about the '27 margin setup. So, if I were to use 2025—a year with flat rates, poor funding environment, where Humana was still able to drive individual MA margin improvement, I believe doubling it to around 1%—as sort of a comparison year.

Michael Ha: Great. Thank you. I wanted to reframe Justin, AJ, and I guess Kevin's question a little differently about the 2027 margin setup. If I were to use 2025, a year with flat rates, poor funding environment, where Humana was still able to drive Individual MA margin improvement, I believe doubling it to around 1% as sort of a comparison year. The setup for 2027, stronger rate notice, stronger year-to-year Star Ratings improvement. Granted, your stars in payment year 2025 were higher overall, your diversification efforts are driving a stronger year-to-year improvement into 2027, and now a potentially similar conservative posture and benefits and pricing. Would it be fair to make this comparison and say the year-to-year setup into 2027 actually feels even better than 2025 when it comes to your ability to drive MA margin improvement?

Speaker #25: The setup for '27, stronger rate notice, stronger year-to-year STAR ratings improvement, granted your STARs and payment year '25 were higher overall, but your diversification efforts are driving a stronger year-to-year improvement into '27.

Speaker #25: And now a potentially similar conservative posture and benefits and pricing. Would it be fair to make this comparison and say the year-to-year setup into '27 actually feels even better than '25 when it comes to your ability to drive MA margin improvement?

Jim Rechtin: So, here's kind of the way that I would characterize it, is, as we're heading into 2027 bids, our transformation efforts are more mature. Well, frankly, they're stood up, they're more mature, they're giving us more tailwind operationally in a whole bunch of different areas, G&A cost management, clinical cost management, et cetera. Because of that, we do have a broader array of other levers that can help us achieve the target margin that we're trying to achieve next year. Every year we are looking at, you know, what is the funding gap or surplus relative to medical cost trend? What are the things that we can do operationally to close a gap or increase a surplus in a way that then minimizes the impact that we have to have on our members?

Speaker #24: So here's kind of the way that I would characterize it: as we're heading into '27 bids, our transformation efforts are more mature—well, frankly, they're stood up.

Speaker #24: They're more mature; they're giving us more tailwind operationally in a whole bunch of different areas: G&A cost management, clinical cost management, etc. And because of that, we do have a broader array of other levers that can help us achieve the target margin that we're trying to achieve next year.

Speaker #24: And so every year, we are looking at what is the funding gap or surplus relative to medical cost trend. What are the things that we can do operationally to close a gap or increase a surplus in a way that then minimizes the impact that we have to have on our members, but then ultimately, you still have to come back and say, "Okay, but what are the changes that you have to make to benefits in order to get to your target margin, in order to get to a sustainable, durable, attractive, long-term margin that gives us an appropriate return on capital?" That's the logic you're going through each and every year.

Jim Rechtin: Ultimately, you still have to come back and say, "Okay, but what are the changes that you have to make to benefits in order to get to your target margin, to or in order to get to a sustainable, durable, attractive long-term margin that gives us an appropriate return on capital?" That's the logic you're going through each and every year. Again, what I would say is I do think we have more momentum on the transformation side that is giving us other levers, giving us more levers outside of benefits than we had two years ago. You're gonna have to look at both. At the end of the day, you're gonna have to look at both. Look, with that, let me just move to close real quick.

Speaker #24: And again, what I would say is I do think we have more momentum on the transformation side that is giving us other levers, giving us more levers outside of benefits than we had two years ago.

Speaker #24: But you're going to have to look at both. At the end of the day, you're going to have to look at both. So, look, with that, let me just move to close real quick.

Speaker #24: I want to thank everybody for joining us this morning and for your interest in Humana. We very much appreciate that. And I also want to say thank you to our 65,000 associates who serve our members and our patients every day.

Jim Rechtin: I wanna thank everybody for joining us this morning and for your interest in Humana. We very much appreciate that. I also wanna say thank you to our 65,000 associates who serve our members and our patients every day. It's the work that those associates do that makes things happen here. We appreciate your support. We appreciate their support, and we hope you have a great day. Thanks.

Speaker #24: It's the work that those associates do that makes things happen here. And we appreciate your support. We appreciate their support. And we hope you have a great day.

Speaker #24: Thanks.

Operator: This concludes-

[Analyst]: Goodbye

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