Q1 2026 Saia Inc Earnings Call

April 30, 2026

Operator 3: Good day. Welcome to the Saia Inc. Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the Star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star then 1 on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press Star then 2. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matthew Batteh, Saia's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Operator: Good day. Welcome to the Saia Inc. Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the Star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press Star then 2. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matthew Batteh, Saia's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Speaker #2: After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on a touch tone phone.

Speaker #2: withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Batteh, SAIA's executive vice president, chief financial officer. ahead.

Speaker #2: Thank you, to SAIA's first quarter 2026 conference call. With me for today's call is SAIA's president and chief executive officer, Fritz Holzgrefe. Before we begin, you should know that during this call, we may make some forward-looking statements within the meaning of the private securities litigation reform act of 1995.

Matthew Batteh: Thank you, Chad. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Saia's Q1 2026 conference call. With me for today's call is Saia's President and Chief Executive Officer, Fritz Holzgrefe. Before we begin, you should know that during this call, we may make some forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements, and all other statements that might be made on this call that are not historical facts, are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially. We refer you to our press release and our SEC filings for more information on the exact risk factors that could cause actual results to differ. I will now turn the call over to Fritz for some opening comments.

Speaker #2: These forward-looking statements and all other statements that might be made on this call that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially.

Speaker #2: We refer you to our press release and our SEC filings for more information on the exact risk factors that could cause actual results to differ.

Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Fritz for some opening comments. Good morning and thank you for joining us to discuss SAIA's first quarter results.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Good morning, thank you for joining us to discuss Saia's Q1 results. As we moved into 2026, we remain focused on serving our customers, enhancing operational efficiency, and integrating our newer terminals into our national network. Q1 2026 was no different than history with weather impacting operational results. This year was pronounced as we saw weather patterns impacting our core and profitable Texas and Mid-South regions. However, much like history, we saw seasonality increase in March and particularly in the second half of the month as our customers began to tap our national network. Our teams, fleet, and footprint were well-positioned to take advantage of this opportunity to support our customers' seasonal demands. Service metrics continued to improve through the quarter. During the quarter, our team remained focused on what matters most, serving the customer.

Speaker #2: As we moved into 2026, we remain focused on serving our customers: enhancing operational efficiency and integrating our newer terminals into our national network. Q1 2026 was no different than history with weather impacting operational results.

Speaker #2: This year was pronounced as we saw weather patterns impacting our core and profitable Texas and Mid-South regions. However, much like history, we saw seasonally seasonally increase in March and particularly in the second half of the month as our customers began to tap our national network.

Speaker #2: Our teams' fleet and footprint were well positioned to take advantage of this opportunity to support our customers' seasonal demands. Service metrics continue to improve through the quarter.

Speaker #2: During the quarter, our team remained focused on what matters most: serving the customer. We achieved a cargo claims ratio of 0.5%, which is our sixth straight quarter of claims ratio below 0.6, a record of consecutive quarters achieving this milestone.

Fritz Holzgrefe: We achieved a cargo claims ratio of 0.5%, which is our sixth straight quarter of claims ratio below 0.6, a record of consecutive quarters achieving this milestone. Customers also value our ability to reliably pick up and deliver freight in the time frames that meet their requirements and expectations. Across our KPIs, we continue to meet and exceed expectations throughout the network. Despite the dynamic environment this quarter, we improved operationally. Most notably, we saw a significant increase in miles between preventable accidents and a significant improvement in hours between lost time injuries. Miles between preventable accidents were a Q1 record, while hours between lost time injuries were at the highest Q1 level since 2020. Both metrics are a testament to our ongoing commitment to safety, training, and technology.

Speaker #2: Customers also value our ability to reliably pick up and deliver freight in a time frames that meet their requirements and expectations. Across our KPIs, we continue to meet and exceed expectations throughout the network.

Speaker #2: Despite the dynamic dynamic environment this quarter, we improved operationally, most notably we saw a significant increase in miles between preventable accidents and a significant improvement in our hours between lost time injuries.

Speaker #2: Miles between preventable accidents were our first quarter record, while hours between lost time injuries were at the highest first quarter level since 2020. Both metrics are a testament to our ongoing commitment to safety, training, and technology.

Speaker #2: Our operational execution is driven by our continued investments in our network and optimization technology. Although we're still in the early stages of realizing the full long-term benefits of a national network, execution remains strong across the organization.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Our operational execution is driven by our continued investments in our network and optimization technology. Although we're still in the early stages of realizing the full long-term benefits of a national network, execution remains strong across the organization, improving upon trends seen in the H2 of last year. Increasingly, customers value consistency and reliability, our performance in these areas is enabled by the longer-term investments that are core to our strategy. As a result, productivity continued to improve in the quarter, with touches making their strongest performance since Q3 of 2024, improving more than 2.5% compared to Q1 of 2025, improving approximately 1% sequentially from Q4. These metrics demonstrate the impact of our ongoing investments in optimization technology.

Speaker #2: Improving upon trends seen in the back half of last year. Increasingly, customers value consistency and reliability in our performance in these areas has enabled by the longer-term investments that our core to our strategy.

Speaker #2: As a result, productivity continued to improve in the quarter, which touches making their strongest performance since the third quarter of 2024, improving more than two and a half percent compared to the first quarter of 2025 and improving approximately 1% sequentially from the fourth quarter.

Speaker #2: These metrics demonstrate the impact of our ongoing investments in optimization technology. As the freight backdrop improves and we continue to build density on our national network, we anticipate additional network leverage and asset utilization.

Fritz Holzgrefe: As the freight backdrop improves and we continue to build density on our national network, we anticipate additional network leverage and asset utilization. With service levels among the best in the industry and our increasing value proposition to our customers, we continue to make progress on pricing and mix management. Revenue per shipment excluding fuel ramped throughout the quarter, in part due to our efforts around contractual renewals, which were 6.7% for the quarter. While there's still movement among shipments with ever-changing backdrop, our renewal rates reflect our value proposition to the customers and our abilities to provide solutions that meet their needs. Q1 results were largely in line with our expectations as volumes in late March were strong offsetting, to some extent, a weather impact to January and February.

Speaker #2: With service levels among the best in the industry and our increasing value proposition to our customers, we continue to make progress on pricing and mix management.

Speaker #2: Revenue per shipment, excluding fuel, ramped throughout the quarter, in part due to our efforts around contractual renewals, which were 6.7% for the quarter. While there's still movement among shipments with the ever-changing backdrop, our renewal rates reflect our value proposition to the customers and our ability to provide solutions that meet their needs.

Speaker #2: First quarter results were largely in line with our expectations as volumes in late March were strong, offsetting to some extent a weather impact to January and February.

Speaker #2: Revenue for the quarter was $806 million, a record for the first quarter and a $2.4% improvement over prior year. While trends in the first couple of months of the year can always be volatile, I was pleased to see the volume acceleration in the back half of March.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Revenue for the quarter was $806 million, a record for Q1 and a 2.4% improvement over prior year. While trends in the first couple of months of the year can always be volatile, I was pleased to see the volume acceleration in the back half of March, resulting in a shipment increase of 1% for Q1. As customers continue to value our expanded presence in our now national network, we saw shipment growth in both our legacy and ramping markets. Weight per shipment, while still down compared to prior year, improved sequentially each month of Q1, a result of our targeted actions around mix management and improving shipper sentiment throughout Q1. Matt will provide additional detail as it relates to cost.

Speaker #2: Resulting in a shipment increase of 1% for the quarter. As customers continue to value our expanded presence in our now national network, we saw shipment growth in both our legacy and ramping markets.

Speaker #2: Weight per shipment, while still down compared to the prior year, improved sequentially each month of the quarter. This was a result of our targeted actions around mix management and improving shipper sentiment throughout the quarter.

Speaker #2: Matt will provide additional detail as it relates to cost, however it is important to note we were negatively impacted in March by the 30% increase in diesel costs in a matter of a few days.

Fritz Holzgrefe: It is important to note we were negatively impacted in March by the 30% increase in diesel costs in a matter of few days. This rapid increase in cost created a meaningful short-term impact on profitability, giving the timing difference of our surcharge program, which is based on weekly national average diesel prices. I'll now turn the call over to Matt for more details from our Q1 results.

Speaker #2: This rapid increase in costs created a meaningful short-term impact on profitability, given the timing difference of our surcharge program, which is based on weekly national average diesel prices.

Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to Matt for more details from our first quarter results. Thanks, Fritz. Revenue was a record for any first quarter, increasing by 2.4% to $806.2 million, partially as a result of an increase in fuel surcharge revenue, as well as a 1% increase in shipments per workday.

Matthew Batteh: Thanks, Fritz. Revenue was a record for any Q1, increasing by 2.4% to $806.2 million, partially as a result of an increase in fuel surcharge revenue, as well as a 1% increase in shipments per workday. Revenue per shipment, excluding fuel surcharge, decreased 1.2% to $297.11 compared to $300.76 in the Q1 of 2025, largely as a result of lower weight per shipment and shorter length of haul compared to the prior year. However, I was pleased to see revenue per shipment, excluding fuel surcharge, increase throughout the quarter. Revenue per shipment including fuel increased 0.7% compared to the Q1 of 2025.

Speaker #2: Revenue per shipment, excluding fuel surcharge, decreased 1.2% to $297.11 compared to $300.76 in the first quarter of 2025, largely as a result of lower weight per shipment and shorter length of haul compared to the prior year.

Speaker #2: However, I was pleased to see revenue per shipment, excluding fuel surcharge, increase throughout the quarter. Revenue per shipment, including fuel, increased 0.7% compared to the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: Fuel surcharge revenue increased by 12.3% and was 16.5% of total revenue compared to 15.1% a year ago. Tonnage decreased 2.1% compared to the prior year, attributable to a 3.1% decrease in our average weight per shipment.

Matthew Batteh: Fuel surcharge revenue increased by 12.3% and was 16.5% of total revenue compared to 15.1% a year ago. Tonnage decreased 2.1% compared to the prior year, attributable to a 3.1% decrease in our average weight per shipment. Our average length of haul decreased 1.7% to 890mi compared to 905mi in Q1 2025. Yield, excluding fuel, increased by 1.9%, while yield increased by 3.8% including fuel surcharge compared to Q1 2025. Shifting to the expense side for a few key items to note in the quarter. Salaries, wages, and benefits increased $4 million or 1% compared to Q1 2025.

Speaker #2: Our average length of haul decreased 1.7% to 890 miles, compared to 905 miles in the first quarter of 2025. Yield, excluding fuel, increased by 1.9%, while yield increased by 3.8% including fuel surcharge, compared to the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: Shifting to the expense side for a few key items to note in the quarter. Salaries, wages, and benefits increased $4 million or 1% compared to the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: This increase was primarily driven by a 7.9 million increase in health insurance costs, as well as a 1.4 million increase in workers' compensation costs, both of which are primarily the result of escalating costs of claims.

Matthew Batteh: This increase was primarily driven by a $7.9 million increase in health insurance costs as well as a $1.4 million increase in workers' compensation costs, both of which are primarily the result of escalating costs of claims. These increases were partially offset by a $5.1 million or 1.8% decrease in salaries and wages combined compared to Q1 2025, as headcount at the end of the quarter was 6.3% lower than Q1 2025 and was 0.7% lower than Q4 2025. Excluding line haul drivers, headcount decreased 7.9% compared to Q1 2025. These reductions were a result of our continued focus on operational efficiency and network cost management.

Speaker #2: These increases were partially offset by a 5.1 million or 1.8% decrease in salaries and wages, es, combined compared to the first quarter of 2025, as headcount at the end of the quarter was 6.3% lower than the first quarter of 2025 and was 0.7% lower than the fourth quarter of 2025.

Speaker #2: Excluding line haul drivers, headcount decreased 7.9% compared to the first quarter of 2025. These reductions were a result of our continued focus on operational efficiency and network cost management.

Speaker #2: Purchase transportation expense, including both non-asset truckload volume and LTL purchase transportation miles, increased by 7.5% compared to the first quarter last year and was 8% of total revenue compared to 7.6% in the first quarter of 2025.

Matthew Batteh: Purchase transportation expense, including both non-asset truckload volume and LTL purchase transportation miles, increased by 7.5% compared to Q1 last year and was 8% of total revenue compared to 7.6% in Q1 of 2025. Truck and rail PT miles combined were 13.4% of our total line haul miles in the quarter compared to 12.4% in the prior year. The increase in purchase transportation usage was driven entirely by rail that matched customer service expectations as we leveraged the most cost-effective mode. Fuel expense for the quarter increased by 3.6% compared to the prior year, while company line haul miles decreased 4%.

Speaker #2: Truck and rail PT miles, combined, were 13.4% of our total line haul miles in the quarter compared to 12.4% in the prior year. The increase in purchase transportation usage was driven entirely by rail, that matched customer service expectations, as we leveraged the most cost-effective mode.

Speaker #2: Fuel expense for the quarter increased by 3.6% compared to the prior year, while company line haul miles decreased 4%. The increase in fuel expense was primarily the result of a 13.6% increase in national average diesel prices on a year-over-year basis, as national average price per gallon increased more than 30% from February to March.

Matthew Batteh: The increase in fuel expense was primarily the result of a 13.6% increase in national average diesel prices on a year-over-year basis, as national average price per gallon increased more than 30% from February to March. Due to the rapid rise in diesel costs in March, our costs were elevated in real time while the fuel surcharge table updates the following week. This period of quickly rising diesel costs resulted in an approximately $3.5 million margin headwind. Claims and insurance expense increased by 6.3% year-over-year. This increase was primarily due to rising insurance premium costs in addition to inflationary costs associated with the claims expense.

Speaker #2: Due to the rapid rise in diesel costs in March, our costs were elevated in real time, while the fuel surcharge table updates the following week.

Speaker #2: This period of quickly rising diesel costs resulted in an approximately 3.5 million margin headwind. Claims and insurance expense increased by 6.3% year-over-year. This increase was primarily due to rising insurance premium costs, in addition to inflationary costs associated with the claims expense.

Speaker #2: While claims costs continue to escalate at a rapid pace, our efforts remain focused around safety and training, resulting in a significant decrease in preventable accidents compared to the first quarter of 2025.

Matthew Batteh: While claims costs continue to escalate at a rapid pace, our efforts remain focused around safety and training, resulting in a significant decrease in preventable accidents compared to the Q1 2025. Depreciation expense of $62.2 million in the quarter was 5.3% higher year over year, primarily due to ongoing investments in revenue equipment, real estate, and technology. Moving to costs on a per shipment basis. Cost per shipment increased 2% compared to the Q1 2025, largely due to increases in self-insurance related costs. Health insurance alone accounted for more than 50% of the year-over-year cost per shipment increase due to cost inflation and claims mix trending more toward more high cost claims.

Speaker #2: Depreciation expense of $62.2 million in the quarter was 5.3% higher year-over-year, primarily due to ongoing investments in revenue equipment, real estate, and technology. Moving to costs on a per-shipment basis.

Speaker #2: Cost per shipment increased 2% compared to the first quarter of 2025, largely due to increases in self-insurance-related costs. Health insurance alone accounted for more than 50% of the year-over-year cost per shipment increase, due to cost inflation and claims mix trending more toward more high-cost claims.

Speaker #2: Compared to the first quarter of 2025, salaries, wages, and purchase transportation combined were down 1.2% on a per-shipment basis, as a result of our actions around cost control and network optimization.

Matthew Batteh: Compared to Q1 2025, salaries, wages, and purchase transportation combined were down 1.2% on a per shipment basis as a result of our actions around cost control and network optimization. Meanwhile, higher fuel costs contributed to the increase in cost per shipment compared to the prior year as fuel prices surged during March due to external factors. As a reminder, while our first fuel surcharge program helps mitigate rising fuel costs, our fuel surcharge table updates weekly, whereas fuel costs are incurred in real time. The impact of this timing is more pronounced in a rapidly increasing fuel environment. Total operating expenses increased by 3.1% in the quarter, and with a year-over-year revenue increase of 2.4%, our operating ratio increased to 91.7% compared to 91.1% a year ago.

Speaker #2: Meanwhile, higher fuel costs contributed to the increase in cost per shipment compared to the prior year, as fuel prices surged during March due to external factors.

Speaker #2: As a reminder, while our fuel surcharge program helps mitigate rising fuel costs, our fuel surcharge table updates weekly, whereas fuel costs are incurred in real-time.

Speaker #2: The impact of this timing is more pronounced in a rapidly increasing fuel environment. Total operating expenses increased by 3.1% in the quarter, and with the year-over-year revenue increase of 2.4%, our operating ratio increased to 91.7% compared to 91.1% a year ago.

Speaker #2: Our tax rate for the first quarter was 23.3% compared to 24% in the first quarter last year, and our diluted earnings per share were $1.86, which is flat compared to the first quarter a year ago.

Matthew Batteh: Our tax rate for Q1 was 23.3% compared to 24% in Q1 last year, and our Diluted Earnings Per Share were $1.86, which is flat compared to Q1 a year ago. Focusing on the balance sheet, we finished Q1 with $39 million of cash on hand, $12 million drawn on the Revolving Credit Facility, and $113 million in total debt outstanding. I'll now turn the call back over to Fritz for some closing comments.

Speaker #2: Focusing on the balance sheet, we finished the quarter with 39 million of cash on hand, 12 million drawn on the revolving credit facility, and 113 million in total debt outstanding.

Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call back over to Fritz for some closing comments. Thanks, Matt. While 2026 has shown some positive demand signals, the ever-changing macroeconomic environment continues to create uncertainty from a customer perspective.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Thanks, Matt. While 2026 has shown some positive demand signals, the ever-changing macroeconomic environment continues to create uncertainty from a customer perspective. One constant, however, is our team's ability to adapt to change and deliver solutions for our customers. As we remain focused on serving our customers while driving efficiency across our operations, I'm increasingly excited about the opportunity ahead. Our disciplined approach to cost management is reflected in our cost structure. We remain vigilant about managing cost. We noted in Q1 that employee-related costs associated with running the business continued to be inflationary. It's critically important that we invest in what we feel is the best team in the freight business. At the same time, we continue to invest in the technologies that allow us to best manage and deploy the industry-leading team.

Speaker #2: One constant, however, is our team's ability to adapt to change and deliver solutions for our customers. As we remain focused on serving our customers while driving efficiency across our operations, I'm increasingly excited about the opportunity ahead.

Speaker #2: Our disciplined approach to cost management is reflected in our cost structure, where we remain vigilant about managing cost. We noted in Q1 that employee-related costs associated running the business continue to be inflationary.

Speaker #2: It's critically important that we invest in what we feel is the best team in the freight business. At the same time, we continue to invest in the technologies that allow us to best manage and deploy the industry-leading team.

Speaker #2: Dating back to 2017, since we began our journey to becoming a national network, we've opened 70 facilities. Throughout, we've maintained a competitive cost structure with deployment of data analytics and optimization tools that have served us well.

Matthew Batteh: Dating back to 2017, since we began our journey to becoming a national network, we've opened 70 facilities. Throughout, we've maintained a competitive cost structure with deployment of Data Analytics and optimization tools that have served us well. We'll continue to invest in those capabilities and expand the use of those tools, which remains core to our strategy. Looking forward, we remain committed to executing our long-term strategy of getting closer to the customer, providing a high level of service, and being appropriately compensated for the quality and service provided. As the industry is perhaps emerging from a four-year freight recession, we see size upside as significant. We've invested with keen focus on supporting success, which has required a best-in-class team, a national terminal network, a flexible modern fleet, and a technology stack to bring all these elements together.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Dating back to 2017, since we began our journey to becoming a national network, we've opened 70 facilities. Throughout, we've maintained a competitive cost structure with deployment of Data Analytics and optimization tools that have served us well. We'll continue to invest in those capabilities and expand the use of those tools, which remains core to our strategy. Looking forward, we remain committed to executing our long-term strategy of getting closer to the customer, providing a high level of service, and being appropriately compensated for the quality and service provided. As the industry is perhaps emerging from a four-year freight recession, we see size upside as significant. We've invested with keen focus on supporting success, which has required a best-in-class team, a national terminal network, a flexible modern fleet, and a technology stack to bring all these elements together.

Speaker #2: We'll continue to invest in those capabilities and expand the use of those tools, which remains core to our strategy. Looking forward, we remain committed to executing our long-term strategy of getting closer to the customer, providing a high level of service and being appropriately compensated for the quality and service provided.

Speaker #2: As the industry is perhaps emerging from a four-year freight recession, we see SAIA's upside as significant. We've invested with keen focus on supporting success, which has required a best-in-class team, a national terminal network, a flexible, modern fleet, and a technology stack to bring all these elements together.

Speaker #2: Over the last 36 months, we've invested approximately $1.8 billion in our network and fleet alone, representing more than 19% of total revenue during that time.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Over the last 36 months, we've invested approximately $1.8 billion in our network and fleet alone, representing more than 19% of total revenue during that time. This investment is a clear signal of our commitment to customers, and we believe we're still in the early stages of fully realizing the benefits of these investments, which we expect will generate substantial long-term value for our shareholders. With that said, we're now ready to open the line for questions, operator.

Speaker #2: This investment is a clear signal of our commitment to customers, and we believe we're still in the early stages of fully realizing the benefits of these investments.

Speaker #2: Which we expect will generate substantial long-term value for our shareholders. With that said, we're now ready to open the line for questions. Operator, thank you.

Operator 3: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. The first question will be from Jordan Alliger from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. The first question will be from Jordan Alliger from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #2: If you have additional questions, you may re-enter the question queue. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. And the first question will be from Jordan Alliger from Goldman Sachs.

Speaker #2: Please go ahead. Yeah, good morning. Great. So maybe, I guess in the context of perhaps underlying demand feeling maybe a bit better, can you talk or give your thoughts on margin progression as we go Q1 to Q2, and perhaps some of the specific levers that underpin that, whether it be volume, yield, or cost?

Jordan Alliger: Yeah. Good morning. Well, great. Maybe I guess, you know, in the context of perhaps, you know, underlying demand feeling maybe a bit better, can you talk or give your thoughts on margin progression as we go Q1 to Q2 and perhaps some of the specific levers that underpin that, whether it be volume, yield, cost? Thank you.

Speaker #2: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Hey, Jordan. Sure. So I'll go ahead and give the shipments and tonnage stats monthly just so everyone has those, and then get into the margin commentary.

Matthew Batteh: Hey, Jordan. Sure. I'll go ahead and give the shipments and tonnage stats monthly just so everyone has those and then get into the margin commentary. Obviously January and February were already out there, but just to reaffirm those and reiterate, January shipments per day were down 2.1%. Tonnage per day was down 7%. February shipments per day up 0.3%. Tonnage per day down 2.7%. March shipments per day up 4.3%. Tonnage per day up 2.8%.

Speaker #3: So obviously, January and February were already out there, but just to reaffirm those and reiterate, January shipments per day were down 2.1%, tonnage per day was down 7%, February shipments per day up 0.3%, tonnage per day down 2.7%, March shipments per day up 4.3%, tonnage per day up 2.8%, and April to date shipments are tracking up about 5.5% tonnage up about 6.5%.

Jordan Alliger: Mm-hmm.

Matthew Batteh: April to date, shipments are tracking up about 5.5%. Tonnage up about 6.5%. As we think about what the Q1 looked like, I mean, we saw some nice acceleration in the back half of March, which was good to see. That didn't come to fruition last year, so it was good to see that back around this year. Strong back half of March, and obviously you see the April to date numbers. When we think about what margin progression looks like, if I look back in history, Q1 to Q2, typically about 250 to 300 basis points of improvement sequentially from Q1 to Q2.

Speaker #3: And as we think about what the Q1 looked like, I mean, we saw some nice acceleration in the back half of March, which was good to see.

Speaker #3: That didn't come to fruition last year, so it was good to see that back around this year. But strong back half of March, and obviously, you see the April to date numbers.

Speaker #3: So when we think about what margin progression looks like, if I look back in history, Q1 to Q2, typically about 250 to 300 basis points of improvement sequentially from Q1 to Q2.

Speaker #3: This year, we think with what we've got going, the momentum we see, we think we can do about 400 to 450 basis points of improvement, which would be obviously a significant step up from where we are.

Matthew Batteh: This year, we think with what we've got going, the momentum we see, we think we can do about 400 to 450 basis points of improvement, which would be obviously a significant step up from where we are now. With that, obviously there's a lot going on in the backdrop. We're projecting as we stand now, May and June to be seasonal. You know, a lot of factors out there with demand and what the diesel environment looks like and everything right there like that. Where we sit right now, if we see May and June come together a normal seasonality, we feel like we can hit that. If things really get better and the environment's really improving dramatically, we can outperform that. That's where we stand right now.

Speaker #3: Now, with that, obviously, there's a lot going on in the backdrop. We're projecting as we stand now, May and June, to be seasonal. The lot of factors out there with demand and what the diesel environment looks like and everything right like that.

Speaker #3: But where we sit right now, if we see May and June come together at normal seasonality, we feel like we can hit that. And if things really get better and the environment's really improving dramatically, we can outperform that.

Speaker #3: But that's where we stand right now.

Speaker #2: Great. Thank you very much. And the next question will be from Ken Hoekster from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Jordan Alliger: Great. Thank you very much.

Operator 3: The next question will be from Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question will be from Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker #4: Hey, great. Good morning, Matt and Fritz. So, if you dig into the revenue per shipment ex-fuel, down 1.2%, Matt, you mentioned lower weight, shorter length of haul, but it also decreased sequentially.

Ken Hoexter: Hey, great. Good morning, Matt and Fritz. If you dig into the revenue per shipment ex fuel down 1.2%, Matt, you mentioned lower weight, shorter length of haul, but it also decreased sequentially. You noted an acceleration in the quarter. Maybe, I don't know if you want to do that by month-over-month or how do you see that accelerating? I don't know if you want to talk about maybe core pricing or contract pricing within that so we can kind of understand what is really going on there. I guess with that, the weight per shipment, you're going to lap the Southern Cal issues in April, and I don't know if you're getting the truckload spillover maybe in that same thing.

Kenneth Hoexter: Hey, great. Good morning, Matt and Fritz. If you dig into the revenue per shipment ex fuel down 1.2%, Matt, you mentioned lower weight, shorter length of haul, but it also decreased sequentially. You noted an acceleration in the quarter. Maybe, I don't know if you want to do that by month-over-month or how do you see that accelerating? I don't know if you want to talk about maybe core pricing or contract pricing within that so we can kind of understand what is really going on there. I guess with that, the weight per shipment, you're going to lap the Southern Cal issues in April, and I don't know if you're getting the truckload spillover maybe in that same thing.

Speaker #4: But then you noted an acceleration in the quarter. Maybe I don't know if you want to do that by month over month or how do you see that accelerating?

Speaker #4: I don't know if you want to talk about maybe core pricing or contract pricing. Within that, so we can kind of understand what is really going on there.

Speaker #4: And I guess with that, the weight per shipment, you're going to lap the Southern Cow issues in April and I don't know if you're getting the truckload spillover maybe in that same thing.

Ken Hoexter: How does it work with weight per shipment shifting as well?

Speaker #4: How does it work with weight per shipment shifting as well?

Kenneth Hoexter: How does it work with weight per shipment shifting as well?

Speaker #3: Yeah. Well, unpack those pieces a bit. So if I obviously, from a year-over-year standpoint, the Los Angeles region headwinds that we've talked about are still there.

Matthew Batteh: Yeah, we'll unpack those pieces a bit. If obviously from a year-over-year standpoint, the Los Angeles region headwinds that we've talked about were still there. They abated a touch, but that region shipments were still down about 14.5% on a year-over-year basis. That's typically our highest revenue per bill region, longer length of haul. Also included in that is on a year-over-year basis, we're still winning in these 1 and 2-day lane markets. That's not bad business, but generally it's not going as far. The price is a little bit less compared to something that's going more on our company average length of haul. That's not bad business, and what we're seeing is more and more opportunities with customers as we're putting dots on the map.

Speaker #3: They abated a touch, but that region, shipments were still down about 14.5% on a year-over-year basis. That's typically our highest revenue-per-bill region, longer length of haul.

Speaker #3: But also included in that, on a year-over-year basis, we're still winning in these one and two-day lane markets. And that's not bad business, but generally, it's not going as far the price is a little bit less compared to something that's going more on our company average length of haul.

Speaker #3: That's not bad business. And what we're seeing is more and more opportunities with customers as we're putting dots on the map. We're getting at bats with them, and they're routing us different freight that we may not have had access to before.

Matthew Batteh: We're getting it back with them, and they're routing us different freight that we may not have had access to before. That's good business for us. That mix shifts around a little bit Q4 to Q1 as you start to get it more seasonal. We're pleased to see the weight per shipment improve throughout the quarter, along with our revenue per shipment month by month. Part of that's our actions on contractual renewals. You heard Fritz give the 6.7%. That was the highest number that we've seen in quite a while, and that was capped by a March number that was north of 7%. We feel good about that. There are shippers that are still moving around. The environment's still a little bit dynamic around some of that. We continue to manage the mix.

Speaker #3: So that's good business for us. That mix shifts around a little bit Q4 to Q1 as you start to get in more seasonal. But we're pleased to see the weight per shipment improve throughout the quarter along with our revenue per shipment month by month.

Speaker #3: Part of that's our actions on contractual renewals you heard Fritz give the 6.7%. That was the highest number that we've seen in quite a while, and that was capped by a March number that was north of 7.

Speaker #3: So we feel good about that, but there's shippers that are still moving around. The environment's still a little bit dynamic around some of that.

Speaker #3: So we continue to manage the mix. There is nothing that's changed from our efforts and focus on pricing, but we're getting more at bats in some of these shorter-haul markets.

Matthew Batteh: There is nothing that's changed from our efforts and focus on pricing, but we're getting more advanced in some of these shorter haul markets.

Speaker #4: Great. Thanks, Matt.

Ken Hoexter: Great. Thanks, Matt.

Kenneth Hoexter: Great. Thanks, Matt.

Speaker #2: Thank you. And the next question will come from Jonathan, Chappelle from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: Thank you. The next question will come from Jonathan Chappell from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #5: Thank you. Good morning. I understand there's a lot going on, and we don't want to get ahead of our skis here, but given those numbers that you just noted, for two Q, especially Matt, as we think about the rest of the year, the full year OR improvement guide from February of 100 to 200 basis points with the high-end assuming some volume tailwind, with what you think you have line of sight on with one Q being done, the acceleration of tonnage through April, and that two Q bogey you just laid out there, does the high-end become the low-end, or are we still, I don't know, kind of questioning the pace of demand in the back half?

Jonathan Chappell: Thank you. Good morning. I understand there's a lot going on, and we don't wanna get ahead of our skis here, but given those numbers that you just noted for Q2, especially Matt, as we think about the rest of the year, the full year OR improvement guide from February of 100 to 200 basis points with the high end assuming some volume tailwind, with what you think you have line of sight on with Q1 being done, the acceleration of tonnage through April, and that Q2 bogey you just laid out there, does the high end become the low end, or are we still, I don't know, kinda questioning the pace of demand in the back half?

Speaker #3: I think it's John, you bring up a good point. I think I'll start with what we're hearing from customers. We as you might expect, we spend a fair amount of time connected to customers.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I think it's Jonathan, you bring up a good point. I think I'll start with what we're hearing from customers. You know, we, as you might expect, we spend a fair amount of time, you know, connected to customers. We survey, we communicate, try to understand where their business is. I think that the one thing that I would say is that we like to hear right now are two things. Number one, they track and give us feedback on our performance all the time, and our Net Promoter Scores and our customer set have never been higher. They continue to improve, and we're excited about that. The second part of that, which I think is more tied to your question, is their sentiment is they're getting it's more positive. They see a better second half.

Speaker #3: We survey. We communicate, try to understand where their business is. And I think the one thing that I would say is that we like to hear right now are two things.

Speaker #3: Number one, they track and give us feedback on our performance all the time. And our net promoter scores and our customer set have never been higher.

Speaker #3: They continue to improve and we're excited about that. The second part of that, which I think is more tied to your question, is their sentiment is they're getting it's more positive.

Speaker #3: They see a better second half now. Matt and I are, and I think we've talked to you about before, we tend to be a little bit more let's show me, right?

Fritz Holzgrefe: Matt and I, and I talked to you about before, we tend to be a little bit more, let's show me, right? Those are positive tones. We like that. I'd like to see it in the results. I think right now what we're excited about was what's in front of us for Q2. I think that, you know, the ranges that we've talked about earlier in the year, the $100 to 200, is certainly within range. There's still a lot to go on. The macro is still, you know, diesel costs are at high levels. Overall transportation infrastructure costs are high. You know, does that have an impact on demand down the road? I don't know yet.

Speaker #3: So those are positive tones. We like that. I'd like to see it in the results. I think right now what we're excited about was what's in front of us for Q2.

Speaker #3: And I think that the ranges that we've talked about earlier in the year—the 100 to 200—is certainly within range. But there's still a lot to go on.

Speaker #3: And in the macro, it's still diesel costs are high levels. Overall, transportation infrastructure costs are high. Does that have an impact on demand down the road?

Speaker #3: I don't know yet, but I do know that short-term customers think we're doing a great job. It's showing up in the April results and second half of March, like all that.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I do know that short-term customers think we're doing a great job. It's showing up in the April results and second half of March. Like all that, the feedback from customers is great. We feel good about what we've talked about for Q2, you know, I think the trends would indicate that H2 of the year could be pretty good.

Speaker #3: The feedback from customers is great. So we feel good about what we've talked about for Q2. And I think the trends would indicate that the second half of the year could be pretty good.

Jonathan Chappell: That's great. Thanks, Fritz.

Speaker #4: That's great. Thanks, Fritz.

Jonathan Chappell: That's great. Thanks, Fritz.

Speaker #2: And the next question is from Tom Wadewitz from UBS. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #6: Yeah. Good morning. Let's see. Wanted to see if you could talk a little bit about the, I guess, weight per shipment, what that's doing and what it kind of did in kind of March to April.

Thomas Wadewitz: Yeah, good morning. Let's see. Wanted to see if you could talk a little bit about the, I guess, weight per shipment, what that's doing and what it kinda did in, you know, kinda March to April. I guess also, if you could just kinda help us understand, you know, you're assuming normal seasonality May, June. What does that mean in terms of like, you know, what your year-over-year tons per day, shipments per day look like? I think just some more about kind of both, you know, how you see shipments developing and also what weight's doing and how much that kinda matters to how you're looking at things. Thank you.

Speaker #6: I guess also if you could just kind of help us understand you're assuming normal seasonality May, June. What does that mean in terms of what your year-over-year tons per day shipments per day look like?

Speaker #6: So I think just some more about kind of both how you see shipments developing and also what weight's doing and how much that kind of matters to how you're looking at things.

Speaker #6: Thank you.

Speaker #3: Sure, Tom. Yeah. I mean, we saw weight per shipment increase throughout Q1, which was good to see as Fritz noted. In the prescripted comments, that's what we feel is partly driven by our actions around core pricing increases and how we're targeting business and mixed management.

Matthew Batteh: Sure, Tom. Yeah, I mean, we saw weight per shipment increase throughout Q1, which was good to see. As Fritz noted in the pre-scripted comments, that's what we feel is partly driven by our actions around core pricing increases and how we're targeting business and mix management. We also feel like it's a little bit to do with the backdrop improving a touch, we've seen some positive signals, customer conversations as he talked about. You know, you can get into some of the spring periods and that you have some rollouts at times or different mix with customers, but it increased pretty steadily throughout Q1, which was good to see. As we go into April, it's up a touch. You saw that in the tonnage numbers that we've talked about from a shipments and tonnage standpoint in April.

Speaker #3: We also feel like it's a little bit to do with the backdrop improving a touch. And we've seen some positive signals customer conversations as you talked about.

Speaker #3: But you get into some of the spring periods, and you have some rollouts at times or a different mix with customers. But it increased pretty steadily throughout Q1, which was good to see.

Speaker #3: As we go into April, it's up a touch. You saw that in the tonnage numbers that we've talked about from a shipments and tonnage standpoint in April.

Speaker #3: Remains to be seen what that does in the back half of the quarter. Obviously, there's a lot going on. Shippers are still trying to figure everything out.

Matthew Batteh: Remains to be seen what that does in the back half of the quarter. Obviously, there's a lot going on. Shippers are still trying to figure everything out. We feel good about where the trends are now, but we've got a couple important months to go through in what is generally the peak quarter of freight. In terms of what seasonality does, typically, you'd see a step up of 1% to 2% or so in the March to April timeframe. Somewhere in the middle is generally where that lands. What you'd also see is a step up April to May and May to June as well. Typically, what you're getting through Q2, which again is the most seasonal, most typically strong period in the quarter, you're getting step-ups throughout the quarter.

Speaker #3: So we feel good about where the trends are now, but we've got a couple of important months to go through. And what is generally the peak quarter of freight.

Speaker #3: In terms of what seasonality does, typically you'd see a step up of a percent to two or so in the March to April timeframe.

Speaker #3: Somewhere in the middle is generally where that lands. And then what you'd also see is a step up April to May and May to June as well.

Speaker #3: So typically what you're getting through Q2, which again is the most seasonal, most typically strong period in the quarter, you're getting step-ups throughout the quarter.

Speaker #3: So that's what we're assuming right now as we stand. And as we're talking to our customers and getting demand signals from them, that's how we're forecasting right now.

Matthew Batteh: That's what we're assuming right now as we stand and as we're talking to our customers and getting demand signals from them. That's how we're forecasting right now.

Speaker #6: What about in Fritz, apologize if you might have said this in your remarks, but what about the growth in the kind of new terminals versus growth in the legacy terminals?

Thomas Wadewitz: What about, Fritz, apologize if you might have said this in your remarks, but what about the growth in the kinda new terminals versus growth in the legacy terminals? Is that kinda similar, or are you seeing meaningfully higher shipment growth in the, you know, kind of the terminals from the last two years?

Speaker #6: Is that kind of similar or are you seeing meaningfully higher shipment growth in the kind of the terminals from the last two years?

Speaker #3: I'll give the number, Tom, and then Fritz will comment on it. But one of the things we were really excited about in this quarter is we saw shipment growth in both the legacy and the ramping facilities.

Matthew Batteh: I'll give the number, Tom, and then Fritz will comment on it. One of the things we were really excited about in this quarter legacy and the ramping facilities. We've seen it for a while in the ramping facilities, obviously, but this was the first time in 5 or so quarters that we'd seen it in the legacy, so that was good. The ramping are still outperforming legacy, but those grew for the first time in a while.

Speaker #3: We've seen it for a while in the ramping facilities, obviously, but this was the first time in five or so quarters that we've seen it in the legacy.

Speaker #3: So that was good. But the ramping are still outperforming legacy, but those grew for the first time in a while.

Speaker #5: Yeah. I think it's what's exciting about this is having the legacy facilities grow at the same time. And the new facilities are growing at a faster rate as we'd expect.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Yeah. I think it's what's exciting about this is having the legacy facilities grow at the same time the new facilities are growing at a faster rate as we'd expect. What's fantastic about that is that customers are considering us more for their complete solution. They say, Look, you can do a great job for us in markets you've always been in, and now you've got these new points. This is kind of the plan coming together. You know, we're kind of getting to the point where, you know, growth in a legacy market is often tied to the fact that we can provide service in a ramping market at the same time. You're now becoming a more important part of the customer's supply chain.

Speaker #5: And what's fantastic about that is that customers are considering us more for their complete solution. And they say, "Look, you can do a great job for us in markets.

Speaker #5: You've always been in." And now you've got these new points. So this is kind of the plan coming together. We're kind of getting to the point where growth in a legacy market is oftentimes due to the fact that we can provide service in a ramping market at the same time.

Speaker #5: So you're now becoming a more important part of the customer's supply chain. So the percentage is a matter of perhaps a little bit less now because the customer is looking at us as a solution rather than kind of in a legacy market.

Fritz Holzgrefe: The, you know, the percentages matter perhaps a little bit less now because the customer's looking at us as a solution rather than you know, kind of in a legacy market.

Fritz Holzgrefe: The percentages matter perhaps a little bit less now because the customer's looking at us as a solution rather than you know, kind of in a legacy market.

Speaker #6: Right. Okay. Thank you.

Thomas Wadewitz: Right. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #2: And the next question is from Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

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Operator: The next question is from Scott Group, from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker #7: Hey, thanks, good morning. So the pricing renewal numbers sound good, but if I just look at a blended average of the pricing metrics you're actually reporting in the quarter, they're basically flat.

Scott Group: Hey, thanks. Good morning. The pricing renewal numbers sound good, but if I just look at like a blended average of the pricing metrics you're actually reporting in the quarter, they're basically flat. I guess, when do you think we should start to see sort of those yield and rev per shipment numbers actually improve and get closer to some of the renewal numbers? Do we start to see some of that in Q2? Just, I don't know, any thoughts there?

Speaker #7: So I guess when do you think we should start to see sort of those yield and rep per shipment numbers actually improve and get closer to some of the renewal numbers?

Speaker #7: Do we start to see some of that in Q2, and just, I don't know, any thoughts there?

Speaker #3: Yeah. I think we'll start to see some of that in the back half of Q2. Obviously, we're right now just lapping some of that big change in the Los Angeles region business from last year.

Matthew Batteh: Yeah. I think we'll start to see some of that in the back half of Q2. Obviously, we're right now just lapping some of that big change in the Los Angeles region business from last year. There's still volume moving around with shippers, and you don't always net what you take, and they move around a bit. As the environment hopefully continues to tighten, we should see some of that come. I think we'll get closer to that as we get into the back half of the year, but I'd also expect us to see some of that improve in the back half of this quarter as well.

Speaker #3: And there's still volume moving around with shippers, and you don't always net what you take. And they move around a bit, but as the environment hopefully continues to tighten, we should see some of that come.

Speaker #3: I think we'll get closer to that as we get into the back half of the year, but I'd also expect us to see some of that improve in the back half of this quarter as well.

Speaker #5: Yeah. So I think the tough part of the SoCal market for us, I think we start exiting out of that kind of in May where it's more kind of we're starting lapping where we're past those tough months.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Yeah. I think the tough part of the SoCal market for us, I think we start exiting out of that, you know, kind of in May, where it's more kind of, we're starting lapping that we're past those tough months.

Matthew Batteh: Yeah. I think the tough part of the SoCal market for us, I think we start exiting out of that, you know, kind of in May, where it's more kind of, we're starting lapping that we're past those tough months.

Speaker #6: Okay. Maybe just to that point, we've got some moving parts there. Obviously, fuel is a big factor right now on yield trends. Within that, Matt, within that margin guide that you gave us, any way to sort of bracket what's sort of the revenue assumptions are?

Scott Group: Maybe just to that point, like we've got some moving parts there. Obviously, like fuel is a big factor right now on yield trends. Like within that, Matt, within that margin guide that you gave us, like any way to like, sort of like bracket what sort of the revenue assumptions are?

Matthew Batteh: We don't give that level of detail, Scott. I mean, from a volume perspective, we talked about seasonality. You know, fuel plays a factor in that. As we talked about, I mean, we're paying fuel costs in real time during that run up in March. They've stabilized a little bit. I think anyone's guess is as good as ours in terms of what that market's gonna do. It doesn't seem like it's changing real time right now. I would say that it's more just about the guide that we gave is underpinned by seasonal May and June, is what I would say.

Speaker #3: We don't give that level of detail, Scott, but I mean, from a volume perspective, we talked about seasonality. Fuel plays a factor in that, but as we talked about, I mean, we're paying fuel costs in real time during that run-up in March.

Speaker #3: They've stabilized a little bit. I think anyone's guess is as good as ours in terms of what that market's going to do. It doesn't seem like it's changing real time right now.

Speaker #3: So I would say that it's more just about the guide that we gave is underpinned by seasonal May and June, is what I would say.

Fritz Holzgrefe: We're not assuming a change in fuel. It's like whatever it is, you know, presently we're gonna, you know, could go up or down. Diesel can go up or down from here through the end of the quarter.

Speaker #5: And we're not assuming a change in fuel. It's like whatever it is, presently, we're going to it could go up or down. Diesel can go up or down from here through the end of the quarter.

Matthew Batteh: We're not assuming a change in fuel. It's like whatever it is, you know, presently we're gonna, you know, could go up or down. Diesel can go up or down from here through the end of the quarter.

Speaker #6: Okay. All right. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Scott Group: Okay. All right. Thank you guys. Appreciate it.

Speaker #2: The next question will come from Ravi Shankar from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: The next question will come from Ravi Shanker from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question will come from Ravi Shanker from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ravi Shanker: Great. Thanks. Morning, guys. If you can just unpack what you're seeing in terms of end markets, particularly retail versus industrial. You know, what's the typical lag between retail, kind of end markets picking up versus industrial going into a cycle?

Speaker #4: Great. Thanks, morning, guys. If you can just unpack what you're seeing in terms of end markets, particularly retail versus industrial, and kind of what's the typical lag between retail kind of end markets picking up versus industrial going into a cycle?

Speaker #3: Yeah. I don't necessarily have a callout for retail and industrial. What I would tell you is that what we see the feedback we're getting from customers is kind of across the board.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I don't necessarily have a call-out for retail and industrial. What I would tell you is that what we see, the feedback we're getting from customers is kind of across the board. It's, you know, across all the markets. There isn't one that's necessarily outpacing another for us presently. The that I think is overall is probably positive. Maybe it's more broad based. You know, I think that in some of the end markets, you know, we participate and have pretty good line of sight to markets that are attractive or, you know, grocery, you hear that, you hear, you know, data center businesses, all those sorts of things. You know, we represent pretty well in there.

Speaker #3: So it's across all the markets. So there isn't one that's necessarily outpacing another for us presently. So I think overall is probably positive. Maybe it's more broad-based.

Speaker #3: I think that in some of the end markets, we're participating and have pretty good line of sight to markets that are attractive or grocery here or that.

Speaker #3: You hear data center businesses, all those sorts of things. We represent pretty well in there. And I think that those it's pretty across the universe.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I think that those, you know, it's pretty across the universe, I think it's pretty consistent feedback, both from we're doing a good job and they feel maybe a little bit positive about the balance of the year.

Speaker #3: I think it's pretty consistent feedback, both that we're doing a good job and that they feel maybe a little bit positive about the balance of the year.

Speaker #4: Got it. And maybe I'll say a quick follow-up here just on the tech side. Kind of you mentioned a number of new investments on productivity.

Ravi Shanker: Got it. Maybe just using a quick follow-up here, just on the tech side, you mentioned a number of, you know, new investments on productivity. Are there any kind of big, tech products or packages that you're dropping in that you think should see like a step function improvement in your optimization efforts here?

Speaker #4: Are there any kind of big tech products or packages that you're dropping in that you think should see a step-function improvement in your optimization efforts here?

Fritz Holzgrefe: We're quite ready to talk about any step function changes. What we continuously have been investing in, the core optimization tools that we've had that are really critical to the cost structure that we have. I mean, if you consider, you benchmark us against, you know, the other public national carriers. Not only are we the smallest of the public national carriers, but we're also, our cost structure is very competitive. What I would say is I'd point that specifically to how we run our line haul network and how we plan our city operation. Those are all large or models or early stage AI models that we've been working on for a number of years, and there'll be continued enhancements around that.

Speaker #3: I don't think that there is a we're quite ready to talk about any step function changes, but what we continuously have been investing in, the core optimization tools that we've had that are really critical to the cost structure that we have.

Speaker #3: I mean, if you consider, you benchmark us against the other public national carriers, not only are we the smallest of the public national carriers, but we're also our cost structure is very, very competitive.

Speaker #3: And what I would say is I'd point that specifically to how we run our line haul network and how we plan our city operation.

Speaker #3: Those are all large models or AI early-stage AI models that we've been working on for a number of years, and they'll be continued enhancements around that.

Speaker #3: Now, certainly from here, how we interact with customers, we can deploy AI around customer service things, around track and trace as an example, customers really value that.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Now, certainly from here, you know, how we interact with customers, we could deploy AI around customer service things, around track and trace as an example. Customers really value that. It's a cost-effective way for us to provide data to customers. Those are kind of things that we've launched, but they don't necessarily change the cost structure. You know, if you got down the road and looked at things like vision AI or things in that area we're investing, those are things that are potentially operationally significant. I think that the big thing for us is that I think as we continue to focus on this national network, technology deployed and where we can optimize, continue to optimize our pricing will be the real opportunity over time. Our technology investment focus is across the board.

Speaker #3: It's a cost-effective way for us to provide data to customers. Those are kind of things that we've launched, but they don't necessarily change the cost structure.

Speaker #3: If you got down the road and looked at things like Vision AI or things in that area where we're investing, those are things that are potentially operationally significant.

Speaker #3: I think that the big thing for us is that, as we continue to focus on this national network, technology deployed, and where we can continue to optimize our pricing, will be the real opportunity over time.

Speaker #3: So that our technology investment and focus is across the board. The cost things, you have to do to stay ahead of inflation. And certainly, there are opportunities to continue to improve that.

Fritz Holzgrefe: You know, the cost things you have to do to stay a lot ahead of inflation. Certainly, there are opportunities to continue to improve that, but I don't know that there's a step function out there yet for that. You know, we'll continue to focus our investments around optimization tools.

Speaker #3: But I don't know that there's a step function out there yet for that. But we'll continue to focus our investments around optimization tools.

Speaker #4: And you see that in our numbers, Robbie. If you look, the commentary around our touches improving—best since they've been in, third quarter of '24—you see it in the per-shipment cost of salaries, wages, and PT.

Matthew Batteh: You see that in our numbers, Ravi. If you look, the commentary around our touches improving best since they've been in Q3 2024. You see it in the per shipment cost of salaries, wages, and PT. That's how we always think about it in terms of what it takes to run a network and run an operation. That on a per shipment basis is down. That's all a product of optimization, of technology, of cost management. Keep in mind, over that period, there's 20-plus new terminals in our network. Those are by no means are mature yet or fully efficient. It's not new for us. We're gonna continue improving that, but that's been at the root of where our focus has been for a long period of time.

Speaker #4: That's how we always think about it in terms of what it takes to run a network and run an operation. That on a per-shipment basis is down.

Speaker #4: That's all a product of optimization of technology, of cost management, and keep in mind over that period, there's 20-plus new terminals in our network.

Speaker #4: So those are by no means a mature yet or fully efficient. So it's not new for us. We're going to continue improving that. But that's been at the root of where our focus has been for a long period of time.

Speaker #4: And then to Fred's point, the opportunity around pricing for us, the customer conversations that we now have are more equal on a footprint than they've ever been.

Matthew Batteh: To Chris's point, the opportunity around pricing for us, the customer conversations that we now have are more equal on a footprint than they've ever been. We've got a national network. We can do more for them, and we're seeing more of that in these 1 and 2-day wins. That's just a product of us being able to say yes to more things.

Speaker #4: We've got a national network. We can do more for them. And we're seeing more of that in these one and two-day wins. But that's just a product of us being able to say yes to more things.

Speaker #2: Very good. Thanks, guys.

Ravi Shanker: Very good. Thanks, guys.

Speaker #6: And the next question will be from Eric Morgan from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: The next question will be from Eric Morgan from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question will be from Eric Morgan from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker #7: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could give us some thoughts on what we're seeing in the truckload market.

Eric Morgan: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could give us some thoughts on what we're seeing in the truckload market. Just curious if any of this tightness is driving some incremental volume onto your network. I don't know, maybe not sure if that's a reason or one reason for the weight per shipment upward trend. Then my follow-up just on your answer to the Q2 tonnage question. You said, you know, you usually see that improvement from April to May and May to June. Is there any way to just translate that into what it would equate to on a year-on-year basis for the quarter? Thanks.

Speaker #7: Just curious if any of this tightness is driving some incremental volume onto your network. And I don't know, maybe not sure if that's a reason or one reason for the weight per shipment upward trend.

Speaker #7: And then my follow-up, just on your answer to the two-queue tonnage question, you said that you usually see that improvement from April to May and May to June.

Speaker #7: Is there any way to just translate that into what it would equate to on a year-on-a-year basis for the quarter? Thanks.

Speaker #3: We don't give the year-over-year basis, Eric. And that was in shipments that I was referring to just for clarity on shipment type. Yeah. And on your market question, I think what I would say is that I think you're over time now, you're starting to see freight moving.

Matthew Batteh: We don't give the year-over-year basis, Eric, and that was in shipments that I was referring to, just for clarity on shipment side.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Yeah. And then on your market question, I think what I would say is that I think you're, over time now, you're starting to see, you know, freight moving through its more historic modes, and customers, you know, in a supply chain that is seeing increasing costs. What you're seeing is, it may be a flight to, you know, to quality, right? You're in an environment where you need to move, you know, freight inventory through your supply chain. It, it's expensive. You wanna make sure it's delivered on time because you can't afford in a higher cost environment. I think you're starting to see, you know, like the reliability of our network starting to shine. And I think more broadly across, you know, the all modes of transport.

Speaker #3: It's through, it's more historic modes. And customers in a supply chain that is seeing increasing costs, what you're seeing is it may be a flight to quality, right?

Speaker #3: You're in an environment where you need to move freight inventory through your supply chain; it's expensive. You want to make sure it's delivered on time because you can't afford in a higher cost environment.

Speaker #3: So I think you're starting to see the reliability of our network starting to shine. And I think more broadly across the all modes of transport, I think as you see the truckload market tighten up a bit, you see LTL freight returning to LTL market.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I think as you see the truckload market tighten up a bit, you see LTL freight returning to LTL market. That's probably a help in there somewhere. I think specifically as it relates to us, I think it's reflective of our performance for our customers.

Speaker #3: That's probably a help in there somewhere. But I think specifically as it relates to us, I think it's reflective of our performance for our customers.

Speaker #7: Thank you.

Eric Morgan: Thank you.

Speaker #6: And the next question is from Chris Wetherby from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: The next question is from Chris Wetherbee from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question is from Chris Wetherbee from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: Yeah. Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. I guess I wanted to ask about sort of the density or the building density in the newer, more newly open parts of the network.

Chris Wetherbee: Yeah. Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. I guess I wanted to ask about sort of the density or the building density in the newer, more newly opened parts of the network. I think in the past, you guys have given us an operating ratio for facilities that have been open a couple of years. Maybe get a sense of how that's progressing, particularly in March and, you know, April, where it seems like the volume performance is looking a little stronger.

Christian Wetherbee: Yeah. Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. I guess I wanted to ask about sort of the density or the building density in the newer, more newly opened parts of the network. I think in the past, you guys have given us an operating ratio for facilities that have been open a couple of years. Maybe get a sense of how that's progressing, particularly in March and, you know, April, where it seems like the volume performance is looking a little stronger.

Speaker #8: And I think in the past, you guys have given us an operating ratio for facilities that have been open a couple of years, just to maybe get a sense of how that's progressing, particularly in March and April, where it seems like the volume performance is looking a little stronger.

Speaker #3: Yeah. We're pleased with those. I mean, they're still above company average, right? I mean, that group of facilities is still relatively immature. We saw them improve if I look at just that batch of facilities compared to where they were the prior year.

Matthew Batteh: Yeah. We're pleased with those. I mean, they're still above company average, right? I mean, those group of facilities are still relatively immature. We saw them improve. If I look at just those batch of facilities, compared to where they were the prior year. The way we're thinking about those now is the 2023 and 2024 openings now are past the 2022, so we're considering those just part of the whole. The way that we look at those, I mean, that batch of facilities year-over-year, they improved margins by over 2 points on the OR side, which is good. I mean, they're still in the upper 90s, and they're a drag on the overall, but we're gonna continue working those down.

Speaker #3: So the way we're thinking about those now is the '23 and '24 openings. Now we're past the '22, so we're considering those as just part of the whole.

Speaker #3: But the way that we look at those—I mean, that batch of facilities, year over year, they improved margins by over 2 points on the OR side, which is good.

Speaker #3: I mean, they're still in the upper 90s. And they're a drag on the overall. But we're going to continue working those down. They're still relatively new.

Matthew Batteh: They're still relatively new, but good performance from those on a year-over-year basis.

Speaker #3: But good performance from those on a year-over-year basis.

Speaker #4: Hey, Chris, I think part of the ROR guide into Q2 is reflective of growth not only in our legacy markets, which we like, but it's continued sort of leverage in the ramping new markets, which is really, really key to the whole value story here.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Chris, I think part of that, our OR guide into Q2 is reflective of growth not only in our legacy markets, which we like, but it's continued sort of leverage in the ramping new markets, which is really key to the whole value story here. I think that's what we're excited about.

Speaker #4: And I think that's what we're excited about.

Speaker #2: And then, just on sort of the legacy versus the new—I guess just getting a sense of how you're feeling the demand potential improvement.

Chris Wetherbee: Then just on sort of that, the legacy versus the new, I guess, just getting a sense of how you're feeling the demand potential improvement. I guess, I don't know if you can measure that by, you know, thinking about how much is growth in legacy versus new in terms of what's kind of core demand and maybe what's Saia initiatives, i.e., you're getting the opportunity to move more freight for existing customers in the new network or vice versa. I just want to get a sense if there's anything you can tell from that sort of broadening out of this demand dynamic.

Christian Wetherbee: Then just on sort of that, the legacy versus the new, I guess, just getting a sense of how you're feeling the demand potential improvement. I guess, I don't know if you can measure that by, you know, thinking about how much is growth in legacy versus new in terms of what's kind of core demand and maybe what's Saia initiatives, i.e., you're getting the opportunity to move more freight for existing customers in the new network or vice versa. I just want to get a sense if there's anything you can tell from that sort of broadening out of this demand dynamic.

Speaker #2: I guess, I don't know if you can measure that by thinking about how much is growth in legacy versus new in terms of what's kind of core demand and maybe what SAIA initiatives, i.e., you're getting the opportunity to move more freight for existing customers and the new network or vice versa.

Speaker #2: I just want to get a sense if there's anything you can tell from that sort of broadening out of this demand dynamic.

Speaker #3: Well, I think the big thing that I would point out, right, is we've highlighted that our legacy facilities are back first quarter reflected the first quarter in a number of quarters who actually saw growth in those markets.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Well, I think the big thing that I would point out, right, is we've highlighted that our legacy facilities are back. Q1 reflected Q1 in a number of quarters, we actually saw growth in those markets. I think what that is indicative of, and I think this is an important piece, is we're now at a bigger part of the customer supply chain with these new facilities. We're doing a great job for those customers in the facilities. Now when you're in that, it's a little bit of a synergy that's coming out of this. It simply says, when you're a national player and you can do more for a customer, you're a heck of a lot easier to do business with.

Speaker #3: And I think what that is indicative of, and I think this is an important piece, is we're now at a bigger part of the customer supply chain with these new facilities.

Speaker #3: We're doing a great job for those customers in the facilities. And now when you're in that a little bit of a synergy that's coming out of this, it's simply says when you're a national player and you could do more for a customer, you're a heck of a lot easier to do business with.

Speaker #3: So now it's like, "All right. Well, let's give them more freight from Dallas to Atlanta because that makes sense because I know that they can cover when they do the pickups for everything that's going into Montana, that matters too, right?" So the combination of all that, I think we're starting to see the building of value of having that footprint because you're able to solve all those upper Midwest problems or markets where we haven't covered well historically.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Now it's like, all right, well, let's give them more freight from Dallas to Atlanta because that makes sense because I know that they can cover when they do the pickups for everything that's going into Montana, that matters too, right? The combination of all that, I think we're starting to see the building of value of having that footprint because you're able to solve all those upper Midwest problems or markets where we haven't covered well historically. Now you're able to do that.

Speaker #3: Now you're able to do that. So now the customer can say, "Look, let's lean into it in businesses that we've long done business with you, but now you're moving up to the top of the stack in our supply chain." So that, I think that's exciting for us.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Now the customer can say, Look, let's lean into it in businesses that we've long done business with you, but now you're moving up to the top of the stack in our supply chain. That, I think that's exciting for us and that's really what I think is gonna drive the growth, you know, Q2 and beyond.

Speaker #3: And that's really what I think is going to drive the growth in Q2 and beyond.

Speaker #8: Yeah. Makes sense. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it.

Chris Wetherbee: Yeah, makes sense. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it.

Christian Wetherbee: Yeah, makes sense. Thanks for the time. Appreciate it.

Speaker #6: And the next question is from Stephanie Moore from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: The next question is from Stephanie Moore from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Operator: The next question is from Stephanie Moore from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker #9: Great. Good morning, everyone. Thank you. I wanted to maybe take a longer-term approach here or just if you could discuss the financial torque to the model after a lot of investments have been made over the last couple of years.

Stephanie Moore: Great. Good morning, everyone. Thank you. You know, I wanted to maybe take a longer term approach here, just if you could discuss the financial torque to the model after a lot of investments have been made over the last couple of years. You know, if that's talking about incremental margins as those legacy terminals ramp and Southern Cali kind of bounces back. Any commentary you can give on what incremental margins can look in this up cycle would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker #9: If that's talking about incremental margins as those legacy terminals ramp and Southern Cali kind of bounces back. But any commentary you can give on what incremental margins can look in this upcycle would be helpful.

Speaker #9: Thanks.

Speaker #4: I think this is an exciting time, Stephanie, for us, is that we feel like we are in a we have waited for the time in which we could see the market change.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I think this is an exciting time, Stephanie, for us, is that we feel like we're, we were in a. We have waited for the time in which we could see the market change, we could see the, you know, things firm up, and then we could show everyone what the value of a 214 terminal network is. You know, we've offered a range this year of 100 to 200 basis points in an admittedly kind of a choppy market, although, you know, sentiment's good right now. That's, I'd prefer that over negative sentiment. At the same time, we need to see continued growth into H2 of the year.

Speaker #4: We could see that things firm up. And then we could show everyone what the value of a $200, now $214, terminal network is. And we've offered a range this year of 100 to 200 basis points in an admittedly kind of choppy market, although sentiment's good right now.

Speaker #4: That's I'd prefer that over negative sentiment. But at the same time, we need to see continued growth into the second half of the year.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I think the big opportunity over time as this freight cycle kind of normals out, is we've long talked about the opportunity for Saia operate at 80 or below OR. We're starting to see the early innings of, okay, incremental, you know, Q1 to Q2, 400 to 450 basis point improvement quarter-to-quarter. That's a big deal, I think we can continue to drive that. I think the incrementals and the facilities have been open less than 3 years are to potentially be significant for us, and I think that helps drive the results. Could we go back to the days of when we were really leveraging in the Northeast and see incrementals per quarter that were, looked like 25%, 30% incrementals? Absolutely. Could they be higher than that? Yes, they can.

Speaker #4: I think the big opportunity over time, as this freight cycle kind of normals out, is we've long talked about the opportunity for SAIA to operate at 80 or below OR.

Speaker #4: And I start we're starting to see the early innings of, "Okay. Incremental Q1 to Q2, $400 to $450 basis point improvement quarter to quarter." That's a big deal.

Speaker #4: And I think we can continue to drive that. I think the incrementals in the facilities have been an open less than three years could potentially be significant for us.

Speaker #4: And I think that helps drive the results. Could we go back to the days of when we were really leveraging in the Northeast and see incrementals per quarter that were looked like 25, 30 percent incrementals?

Speaker #4: Absolutely. Could they be higher than that? Yes, they can. And I think that's what is exciting for us. I don't see an impediment short of a broader economic slowdown that would say that we can't continue to drive margin performance in this business and hit the long-term real value-creating goals that I think that we have, which are that sub-80 OR is that's out there for us.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I think that's what is exciting for us. I don't see an impediment short of a broader economic slowdown that would say that we can't continue to drive margin performance in this business and hit the long-term real value creating goals that I think that we have, which are, you know, that sub 80 OR is, that's out there for us, and I think we can get there. I don't see an impediment to that.

Speaker #4: And I think we can get there. I don't see an impediment to that.

Speaker #9: And then just one follow-up on my end. Free cash flow—no one's touched on it yet, but it was very strong in the quarter.

Stephanie Moore: Just one follow-up on my end. Free Cash Flow, no one's touched on it yet, but you know, it was very strong in the quarter. Could this market inflection here, or is there some other considerations we need to be thinking about? Thanks.

Speaker #9: Could this market inflection here, or is there some other considerations we need to be thinking about? Thanks.

Speaker #3: Well, we've long talked about our plan this year was to be free cash flow positive. Obviously, we understand our duties to the shareholder. And we've feel good about how we've returned the investments in the business.

Matthew Batteh: Well, we long talked about our plan this year was to be Free Cash Flow positive. Obviously, we understand our duties to the shareholder, and we feel good about how we've returned the investments in the business. A lot of that build-out is done now. We still have some terminal opportunities here and there. We understand that we're stewards of the shareholders' capital and absolutely, if this market continues to tighten, our plans around that could escalate further. I think there's still some of the unknown out there in this near term, but based on the indicators that we're seeing from the demand side, from customer conversations, we feel like this could be a really great inflection point for us.

Speaker #3: But a lot of that buildout is done now. We still have some terminal opportunities here and there. So we understand that we're stewards of the shareholder's capital.

Speaker #3: And—but absolutely, if this market continues to tighten, our plans around that could escalate further. I think there's still some of the unknown out there in this near term.

Speaker #3: But based on the indicators that we're seeing from the demand side, from customer conversations, we feel like this could be a really great inflection point for us.

Speaker #6: Thank you. And the next question will be from Jason Seidl with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: Thank you. The next question will be from Jason Seidl with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. The next question will be from Jason Seidl with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: Hi. Thanks. This is Odeon for Jason Seidl. Maybe just one for me on circling back on pricing. So on your last call, I think you spoke to some better-than-expected capture on GRIs since then freight markets generally have tightened up.

[Analyst] (TD Cowen): Hi. Thanks. This is Uday on for Jason Seidl. Maybe just one for me on circling back on pricing. So on, on your last call, I think you spoke to some better than expected capture on GRIs. Since then, freight markets generally have tightened up. You know, your core pricing is sounding, you know, robust. Have you seen any changes or improvements on the capture side there as the year has progressed? Does that telegraph anything further for momentum on core pricing, as you move through those annual RFPs?

Uday Khanapurkar: Hi. Thanks. This is Uday on for Jason Seidl. Maybe just one for me on circling back on pricing. So on, on your last call, I think you spoke to some better than expected capture on GRIs. Since then, freight markets generally have tightened up. You know, your core pricing is sounding, you know, robust. Have you seen any changes or improvements on the capture side there as the year has progressed? Does that telegraph anything further for momentum on core pricing, as you move through those annual RFPs?

Speaker #8: Your core pricing is sounding robust. Have you seen any changes or improvements on the capture side there as the year has progressed? And does that telegraph anything further for momentum on core pricing?

Speaker #8: As you move through those annual RFPs?

Matthew Batteh: I would say that it's been relatively steady. No major difference there. Some of the movement we see is generally around the national accounts or the larger customers a bit more who typically are, you know, they're using more carriers or they've got a more sophisticated TMS, things like that. There's always some movement with that, but I would say it's been relatively similar to what we've been seeing on the capture side. I think a big component of that is our ability to do more for our customer. It's harder to make a change when we can do everything before. It's just you're thinking about it twice when you have to make that decision now.

Speaker #3: I would say that it's been relatively steady. No major difference there. Some of the movement we see is generally around the national accounts or the larger customers a bit more who typically are they're using more carriers or they've got a more sophisticated TMS, things like that.

Speaker #3: So, there's always some movement with that, but I would say it's been relatively similar to what we've been seeing on the capture side. And I think a big component of that is our ability to do more for a customer.

Speaker #3: It's harder to make a change when we can do everything before or just you're thinking about it twice when you have to make that decision now.

Speaker #3: And now that we've got 214 facilities in the national network, we feel like our value prop to a customer is better than it's ever been.

Matthew Batteh: Now that we've got 214 facilities in the national network, we feel like our value prop to a customer is better than it's ever been. Relatively in line with where it's been, I think every time that we can say yes to a customer and do more, that we get that chance to hold onto that at a higher price.

Speaker #3: So relatively in line with where it's been, but I think every time that we can say yes to a customer and do more, we get that chance to hold onto that at a higher price.

Speaker #6: Thank you. And the next question is from Rika Harnain from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: Thank you. The next question is from Richa Harnain from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Operator: Thank you. The next question is from Richa Harnain from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker #9: Hey, thanks. It's Rika here. Yeah, maybe I can revisit how you manage purchased transportation. I know you look at it holistically, with size, wages, and benefits, and optimize that in totality.

Richa Harnain: Hey, thanks. It's Richa here. Yeah, maybe y'all can revisit how you manage purchase transportation. I know you look at it holistically with salaries, wages, and benefits and optimize that in totality. Matt, you said it a couple of times, your salary, wages, and benefits, plus PT per shipment was impressively down in Q1. Just as truck rates rise, do you plan to enforce more, or do you think your pass-through mechanisms with purchase transportation give you enough protection? Just to clarify, I know, Fritz, we talked about, like, the upside scenario. It seems like the macro is providing some help right now, which is nice.

Speaker #9: Matt, you said it a couple of times your salary wages and benefits plus PT per shipment was impressively down in Q1. But just as truck rates rise, do you plan to enforce more, or do you think you're past your mechanisms with purchase transportation give you enough protection?

Speaker #9: And then just to clarify, I know Fritz, we talked about the upside scenario. It seems like the macro is providing some help right now, which is nice.

Speaker #9: But if that doesn't materialize, given all the uncertainty out there, do you still think you can improve OR by at least 50 bps this year, or could it actually be higher than that with all the momentum and productivity initiatives that we're hearing about in earnest today?

Richa Harnain: If that doesn't materialize, given all the uncertainty out there, do you still think you can improve OR by at least 50 basis points this year, or could it actually be higher than that with all the momentum and productivity initiatives that we're hearing about in earnest today? Thanks.

Speaker #9: Thanks.

Speaker #3: No problem. Good question. On the PT side, one of the things that when we go through our decision-making process around PT, we always focus on, "All right.

Fritz Holzgrefe: No problem. Good questions. On the PT side, you know, one of the things that when we go through our decision-making process around PT, we always focus on, all right, number 1, how does that match what customers' needs? What's the service schedule? Does it meet the quality standard that we need? What we found in Q1, particularly in the second half of March, we saw opportunities to really lean into rail. The rail, the entire increase of our PT year over year, I mean, there's certainly some rate underneath. The real piece is we really leaned into using rail, which on a cost per shipment base or cost per mile basis is upwards of $0.50 cheaper than, you know, our internal mile.

Matthew Batteh: No problem. Good questions. On the PT side, you know, one of the things that when we go through our decision-making process around PT, we always focus on, all right, number 1, how does that match what customers' needs? What's the service schedule? Does it meet the quality standard that we need? What we found in Q1, particularly in the second half of March, we saw opportunities to really lean into rail. The rail, the entire increase of our PT year over year, I mean, there's certainly some rate underneath. The real piece is we really leaned into using rail, which on a cost per shipment base or cost per mile basis is upwards of $0.50 cheaper than, you know, our internal mile.

Speaker #3: Number one, how does that match what customers' needs?" What's the service schedule? Does it meet the quality standard that we need? What we found in Q1, particularly in the second half of March, we saw opportunities to really lean into rail.

Speaker #3: And the rail the entire increase of our PT year over year, I mean, there's certainly some rate underneath, but the real piece we really leaned into using rail which on a cost-per-shipment basis or cost-per-mile basis is upwards of 50 cents cheaper than our internal miles.

Speaker #3: So, in that case, because we could meet the customer need, the cost decision became sort of straightforward, and we made that call. Now, over time, I think one of the things that's important—and I think you're kind of on track with this—is that as we build density in this network and scale, the opportunity for us to run more balanced schedules across the network increases. That allows us to potentially use a Saia driver for the linehaul move. In that case, if we've got freight for them to go—if he’s traveling east, when he comes back west, he'll have a full load.

Fritz Holzgrefe: In that case, because we could meet the customer need, the cost decision became sort of straightforward, and we made that call. Now, over time, I think one of the things that's important, and I think you're kind of on track with this, and that is, you know, as we build density in this network and scale, the opportunity for us to run more balanced schedules across the network, which allows us to use, you know, potentially use a Saia driver, you know, for the line haul move. In that case, we've got freight for him to go from, you know, if he's traveling east, when he comes back west, he'll have a full load, and that's cost optimal, and that makes a lot of sense. As the maturity of the network grows, there'll be opportunities to do that.

Matthew Batteh: In that case, because we could meet the customer need, the cost decision became sort of straightforward, and we made that call. Now, over time, I think one of the things that's important, and I think you're kind of on track with this, and that is, you know, as we build density in this network and scale, the opportunity for us to run more balanced schedules across the network, which allows us to use, you know, potentially use a Saia driver, you know, for the line haul move. In that case, we've got freight for him to go from, you know, if he's traveling east, when he comes back west, he'll have a full load, and that's cost optimal, and that makes a lot of sense. As the maturity of the network grows, there'll be opportunities to do that.

Speaker #3: And that's cost optimal, and that makes a lot of sense. As the maturity of the network grows, there'll be opportunities to do that. But at the same time, we're going to take advantage of when PT works for us, starting with service, then we'll get to dealing with the cost side.

Fritz Holzgrefe: At the same time, we're gonna take advantage of when PT works for us, starting with service, then we'll get to dealing with the cost side. If the cost side's better, boy, it makes sense for us to better utilize our resources maybe on another part of the network. With respect to, you know, kind of the momentum we're seeing in the business, I think there is certainly in a flattish kind of softening macro environment, can we get OR improvement in the business? I think we can. I think we've got some underlying efficiency goals that we have in place that we're achieving. I think that as we get new volume in those facilities that are ramping, that automatically gets us a bit of a cost leverage there.

Matthew Batteh: At the same time, we're gonna take advantage of when PT works for us, starting with service, then we'll get to dealing with the cost side. If the cost side's better, boy, it makes sense for us to better utilize our resources maybe on another part of the network. With respect to, you know, kind of the momentum we're seeing in the business, I think there is certainly in a flattish kind of softening macro environment, can we get OR improvement in the business? I think we can. I think we've got some underlying efficiency goals that we have in place that we're achieving. I think that as we get new volume in those facilities that are ramping, that automatically gets us a bit of a cost leverage there.

Speaker #3: If the cost side's better, boy, it makes sense for us to better utilize our resources, maybe on another part of the network. With respect to kind of the momentum we're seeing in the business, I think there is certainly in a flattish kind of softening macro environment, can we get OR improvement in the business?

Speaker #3: I think we can. I think we've got some underlying efficiency goals that we have in place that we're achieving. I think that as we get new volume in those facilities that are ramping, that automatically gets us a bit of a cost leverage there.

Fritz Holzgrefe: You know, I think we're in the process right now of really shoring up what I would say is the lower ends of the range, right? If a macro softens up, can we still get better? I think we can. You know, is a 50 basis points sort of idea, is that out there in a tough, flattish market? I think we can achieve that, you know, particularly as we continue to have success with customers in those new markets. You know, all in, you know, I think what's exciting about this because of where we are, you know, we've got line of sight to things that we can improve on and are improving and optimizing as we go.

Speaker #3: So I think we're in the process right now of really showing up, what I would say, is the lower end of the range, right?

Matthew Batteh: You know, I think we're in the process right now of really shoring up what I would say is the lower ends of the range, right? If a macro softens up, can we still get better? I think we can. You know, is a 50 basis points sort of idea, is that out there in a tough, flattish market? I think we can achieve that, you know, particularly as we continue to have success with customers in those new markets. You know, all in, you know, I think what's exciting about this because of where we are, you know, we've got line of sight to things that we can improve on and are improving and optimizing as we go.

Speaker #3: So if the macro softens up, can we still get better? I think we can. Is a 50 bps sort of idea— is that out there in a tough, flattish market?

Speaker #3: I think we can achieve that, particularly as we continue to have success with customers in those new markets. So all in, I think what's exciting about this, because of where we are, we've got line of sight to things that we can improve on and are improving and optimizing as we go.

Speaker #9: Okay. And can I just ask one quick follow-up? The good demand that you're seeing, I think legacy facilities seeing growth after like five quarters, any.

Richa Harnain: Okay. Could I just ask one quick follow-up? The good demand that you're seeing, I think legacy facilities seeing growth after, like, 5 quarters. Any sense of that being pulled forward or any concern around that based on your customer feedback?

Speaker #9: Sense of that being pulled forward or any concern around that based on your customer feedback?

Speaker #3: I don’t think so. I think that what we see is it’s more of their sort of broader sentiment in the marketplace. So, meaning, I don’t see anybody making a decision to, “Let’s move the freight quickly now before things become more inflationary.” I think it jumped up.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I don't think so. I think that what we see is it's more of their sort of broader sort of sentiment in the marketplace. Meaning, I don't, I don't see anybody making the decision to, you know, let's move the freight quickly now before, you know, things become more inflationary. I think it jumped up. The inflationary diesel cost jumped up pretty rapidly, and as a result of that, I don't think someone could necessarily foresaw kind of those cost increases and maybe move that forward. I conclude that I don't think that we see any real pull forward there.

Speaker #3: The inflationary diesel costs jumped up pretty rapidly, and as a result of that, I don't think someone could necessarily have foreseen those cost increases and maybe moved that forward.

Speaker #3: So I conclude that I don't think that we see any real pull forward there.

Speaker #9: Okay. Great. Thanks, Fritz, for clarifying.

Richa Harnain: Okay, great. Thanks, Fritz, for clarifying.

Speaker #6: Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question is from Brian Austin Beck from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Operator 3: Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question is from Brian Ossenbeck from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Operator: Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question is from Brian Ossenbeck from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker #8: Hey. Good morning. Just wanted to ask about the capacity and, I guess, ability to make service if you do have a more significant inflection in demand and volume.

Brian Ossenbeck: Hey, good morning. Just wanted to ask about the capacity and I guess ability to make service if you do have a more significant inflection in demand and volume. I don't know if you're ramping up for that probability already or if you have more productivity you think you can leverage in that, in that scenario. Maybe you can talk through that a little bit in terms of how you were planning for it right now, and if it were to actually materialize, you know, how you would handle that. Would you maybe even trim down some of the volume coming in so you're, you know, doubly sure that service is met in that type of scenario? Thanks.

Speaker #8: I don't know if you're ramping up for that probability already or if you have more productivity, you think you can leverage in that scenario.

Speaker #8: So maybe you can talk through that a little bit in terms of how you were planning for it right now and if it were to actually materialize, how you would handle that.

Speaker #8: Would you maybe even trim down some of the volume coming in so you're doubly sure that service is met in that type of scenario?

Speaker #8: Thanks.

Speaker #3: That's a good question, Brian. Thank you for that. The couple of things we feel like we because of our ability to manage PT efficiently and effectively, I think that's always going to be a bit of a natural leverage for us.

Fritz Holzgrefe: That's a good question, Brian. Thank you for that. The couple things on, we feel like we, because of our ability to manage PT efficiently and effectively, I think that's always gonna be a bit of a natural leverage for us. If you, if we had unexpected short-term, or shorter term, volume variation, we can, you know, we've got that sort of safety valve that we know how to manage. I think we can, we can handle that in the short term. I also think that, you know, as we scale the business, we have, you know, there's certainly continued efficiency opportunities. I think that's kind of within our framework.

Speaker #3: So, if we had unexpected short-term or shorter-term volume variation, we've got that sort of safety valve that we know how to manage. So, I think we can handle that in the short term.

Speaker #3: I also think that as we scale the business, we have there's certainly continued efficiency opportunities. So I think that that's kind of within our framework.

Speaker #3: And then I think the other thing is, quite frankly, that these are scarce assets—meaning our fleet. We're doing a good job with the fleet, with the real estate terminal network, and the technology.

Fritz Holzgrefe: I think the other thing is quite frankly, is that, you know, these are scarce assets, meaning our fleet, we're doing a good job with the fleet, with the real estate terminal network, the technology. That's all inflationary. In environment as it strengthens and firms up, we're gonna expect to not only provide great service to the customer, we're also gonna expect that we would be compensated for that significant investment we've made. That, you know, that may help manage sort of volume inflections and changes in terms of, you know, in a stronger backdrop, we probably focus more on making sure we're compensated for all of that investment that we've made. 'Cause when you do business with Saia, you get best in class service.

Speaker #3: That's all inflationary. So in an environment, as it strengthens and firms up, we're going to expect to not only provide great service to our customer, but we're also going to expect that we would be compensated for that significant investment we've made.

Speaker #3: So that may help manage, sort of, volume inflections and changes. In terms of, in a stronger backdrop, we probably focus more on making sure we're compensated for all of that investment that we've made.

Speaker #3: Because when you do business with SAIA, you're going to get you get best-in-class service. So we expect to get paid for that investment. So that probably becomes a bit more of kind of our focus in that sort of a backdrop.

Fritz Holzgrefe: We expect to get paid for that investment. That probably becomes a bit more of the, of, kind of our focus in that sort of a backdrop.

Speaker #8: Okay. Thanks. Makes sense. Appreciate it, Fritz.

Brian Ossenbeck: Okay, thanks. Makes sense. Appreciate it, Fritz.

Speaker #6: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Fritz Holzgrefe, SAIA's President and Chief Executive Officer, for closing remarks.

Operator 3: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Fritz Holzgrefe, Saia's President and Chief Executive Officer for closing remarks.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Fritz Holzgrefe, Saia's President and Chief Executive Officer for closing remarks.

Speaker #3: Thank you, operator, and thanks to all that have called in. At SAIA, we believe that our value proposition to the customer continues to be significant.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Thank you, operator, and thanks to all that have called in. At Saia, we believe that our value proposition to the customer continues to be significant, and we look forward to talking about the successes we will achieve in the quarters and years to come. Thank you, everybody.

Speaker #3: And we look forward to talking about the successes we will achieve in the quarters and years to come. Thank you, everybody.

Speaker #6: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Operator 3: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Fritz Holzgrefe: Thank you.

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