Q1 2026 American Financial Group Inc Earnings Call

April 30, 2026

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the American Financial Group 2026 Q1 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are on a listen only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you would need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would like now to turn the conference over to Diane Weidner, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Speaker #1: I would like now to turn the conference over to Diane Weidner, Vice President of Investor Relations; please go ahead.

Diane Weidner: Good morning, welcome to American Financial Group's Q1 2026 Earnings Results Conference Call. We released our results yesterday afternoon. Our press release, investor supplement, and webcast presentation are posted on AFG's website under the Investor Relations section. These materials will be referenced during portions of today's call. Joining me this morning are Carl Lindner III and Craig Lindner, Co-CEOs of American Financial Group, and Brian Hertzman, AFG's CFO. Before I turn the discussion over to Carl, I would like to draw your attention to the notes on slide 2 of our webcast. Some of the matters to be discussed today are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results and/or financial condition to differ materially from these statements.

Speaker #2: Good morning. And welcome to American Financial Group's first quarter 2026 earnings results conference call. We released our results yesterday afternoon. Our press release, investor supplement, and webcast presentation are posted on AFG's website under the Investor Relations section.

Speaker #2: These materials will be referenced during portions of today's call. Joining me this morning are Carl Lindner III and Craig Lindner, Co-CEOs of American Financial Group, and Brian Hertzman, AFG CFO.

Speaker #2: Before I turn the discussion over to Carl, I would like to draw your attention to the notes on slide 2 of our webcast. Some of the matters to be discussed today are forward-looking.

Diane Weidner: Before I turn the discussion over to Carl, I would like to draw your attention to the notes on slide 2 of our webcast. Some of the matters to be discussed today are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results and/or financial condition to differ materially from these statements. A detailed description of these risks and uncertainties can be found in AFG's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which are also available on our website.

Speaker #2: These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results and/or financial condition to differ materially from these statements. A detailed description of these risks and uncertainties can be found in AFG's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which are also available on our website.

Diane Weidner: A detailed description of these risks and uncertainties can be found in AFG's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which are also available on our website. We may include references to Core Net Operating Earnings, a non-GAAP financial measure, in our remarks or in responses to questions today. A reconciliation of net earnings to Core Net Operating Earnings is included in our earnings release. Finally, if you're reading a transcript of this call, please note that it may not be authorized or reviewed for accuracy, and as a result, it may contain factual or transcription errors that could materially alter the intent or meaning of our statements. Now I'm pleased to turn the call over to Carl to discuss our results.

Speaker #2: We may include references to cornet operating earnings, a non-GAAP financial measure, in our remarks or in responses to questions today. A reconciliation of net earnings to cornet operating earnings is included in our earnings release.

Diane Weidner: We may include references to Core Net Operating Earnings, a non-GAAP financial measure, in our remarks or in responses to questions today. A reconciliation of net earnings to Core Net Operating Earnings is included in our earnings release. Finally, if you're reading a transcript of this call, please note that it may not be authorized or reviewed for accuracy, and as a result, it may contain factual or transcription errors that could materially alter the intent or meaning of our statements. Now I'm pleased to turn the call over to Carl to discuss our results.

Speaker #2: And finally, if you're reading a transcript of this call, please note that it may not be authorized or reviewed for accuracy, and as a result, it may contain factual or transcription errors that could materially alter the intent or meaning of our statements.

Speaker #2: Now I'm pleased to turn the call over to Carl to discuss our results.

Speaker #3: Well, good morning. And I'll begin by sharing a few highlights of AFG's 2026 first quarter results. After which, Craig and I will walk through more details.

Carl H. Lindner III: Well, good morning. I'll begin by sharing a few highlights of AFG's 2026 Q1 results, after which Craig and I will walk through more details. We'll open it up for Q&A, where Craig, Brian, and I will respond to your questions. We are pleased to report an annualized Core Operating Return on Equity of 17% for the Q1, which was driven by strong underwriting margins. Our compelling mix of specialty insurance businesses, entrepreneurial culture, disciplined operating philosophy, and an astute team of in-house investment professionals continue to position us well for the future, enable us to continue to create value for our shareholders. Craig and I thank God, our talented management team, and our great employees for helping us to achieve these results. I'll turn the discussion over to Craig to walk us through some of these details.

Carl Lindner III: Well, good morning. I'll begin by sharing a few highlights of AFG's 2026 Q1 results, after which Craig and I will walk through more details. We'll open it up for Q&A, where Craig, Brian, and I will respond to your questions. We are pleased to report an annualized Core Operating Return on Equity of 17% for the Q1, which was driven by strong underwriting margins.

Speaker #3: We'll then open it up for Q&A, where Craig, Brian, and I will respond to your questions. We are pleased to report an annualized core operating return on equity of 17% for the first quarter which was driven by strong underwriting margins.

Carl Lindner III: Our compelling mix of specialty insurance businesses, entrepreneurial culture, disciplined operating philosophy, and an astute team of in-house investment professionals continue to position us well for the future, enable us to continue to create value for our shareholders. Craig and I thank God, our talented management team, and our great employees for helping us to achieve these results. I'll turn the discussion over to Craig to walk us through some of these details.

Speaker #3: Our compelling mix of specialty insurance businesses, entrepreneurial culture, disciplined operating philosophy, and an astute team of in-house investment professionals continue to position us well for the future, enable us to continue to create value for our shareholders.

Speaker #3: Craig and I thank God, our talented management team, and our great employees for helping us to achieve these results. And I'll turn the discussion over to Craig to walk us through some of these details.

Speaker #4: Thank you, Carl. Please turn to slides 3 and 4 for a summary of earnings information for the quarter. AFG reported cornet operating earnings of $2.47 per share in a 2026 first quarter, a 36% increase from the prior year period.

S. Craig Lindner: Thank you, Carl. Please turn to slides 3 and 4 for a summary of earnings information for the quarter. AFG reported core net operating earnings of $2.47 per share in Q1 2026, a 36% increase from the prior year period. I'll start with an overview of AFG's investment performance and financial position and share a few comments about AFG's capital and liquidity. The details surrounding our $17.1 billion investment portfolio are presented on slides 5 and 6. Excluding the impact of alternative investments, net investment income at our Property and Casualty insurance operations for the three months ended 31 March 2026 increased 8% year over year, due primarily to higher balances of invested assets. As you'll see on slide 6, approximately two-thirds of our portfolio was invested in fixed maturities.

Craig Lindner: Thank you, Carl. Please turn to slides 3 and 4 for a summary of earnings information for the quarter. AFG reported core net operating earnings of $2.47 per share in Q1 2026, a 36% increase from the prior year period. I'll start with an overview of AFG's investment performance and financial position and share a few comments about AFG's capital and liquidity. The details surrounding our $17.1 billion investment portfolio are presented on slides 5 and 6.

Speaker #4: I'll start with an overview of AFG's investment performance and financial position and share a few comments about AFG's capital and liquidity. The details surrounding our $17.1 billion investment portfolio are presented on slides 5 and 6.

Craig Lindner: Excluding the impact of alternative investments, net investment income at our Property and Casualty insurance operations for the three months ended 31 March 2026 increased 8% year over year, due primarily to higher balances of invested assets. As you'll see on slide 6, approximately two-thirds of our portfolio was invested in fixed maturities. In the current interest rate environment, we are able to invest in Fixed Maturities securities at yields of approximately 5.25%. The duration of our P&C Fixed Maturities portfolio, including cash and cash equivalents, was 3.1 years at 31 March 2026.

Speaker #4: Excluding the impact of alternative investments, net investment income, and our property and casualty insurance operations, for the three months ended March 31, 2026, increased 8% year over year, due primarily to higher balances of invested assets.

Speaker #4: As you'll see on slide 6, approximately two-thirds of our portfolio was invested in fixed maturities. In the current interest rate environment, we're able to invest in fixed maturity securities at yields of approximately 5.25%.

S. Craig Lindner: In the current interest rate environment, we are able to invest in Fixed Maturities securities at yields of approximately 5.25%. The duration of our P&C Fixed Maturities portfolio, including cash and cash equivalents, was 3.1 years at 31 March 2026. The annualized return on alternative investments at our P&C portfolio was slightly negative in Q1 2026, compared to 1.8% for the prior year Q1. A number of factors contributed to the lower returns, with the most significant impact attributable to a $13 million mark-to-market loss on our $133 million investment in the CLOs that AFG manages. The mark-to-market loss reflects the deterioration in the broadly syndicated loan market in Q1 2026.

Speaker #4: The duration of our P&C fixed maturity portfolio, including cash and cash equivalents, was 3.1 years at March 31, 2026. The annualized return on alternative investments in our P&C portfolio was slightly negative in the 2026 first quarter, compared to 1.8% for the prior year first quarter.

Craig Lindner: The annualized return on alternative investments at our P&C portfolio was slightly negative in Q1 2026, compared to 1.8% for the prior year Q1. A number of factors contributed to the lower returns, with the most significant impact attributable to a $13 million mark-to-market loss on our $133 million investment in the CLOs that AFG manages. The mark-to-market loss reflects the deterioration in the broadly syndicated loan market in Q1 2026.

Speaker #4: A number of factors contributed to the lower returns, with the most significant impact attributable to a 13 million mark-to-market loss on our 133 million investment in the CLOs that AFG manages.

Speaker #4: The mark-to-market loss reflects a deterioration in the broadly syndicated loan market in the first quarter of 2026. Longer term, we continue to remain optimistic regarding the prospects of attractive returns from our overall alternative investment portfolio, with an expectation of annual returns averaging 10% or better.

S. Craig Lindner: Longer term, we continue to remain optimistic regarding the prospects of attractive returns from our overall alternative investment portfolio with an expectation of annual returns averaging 10% or better. Recently, there's been an increased focus on insurers' exposure to private credit. AFG has direct private credit exposure, which we define as direct lending to private companies approximating $250 million, which represents 1.5% of total investments. We also have indirect private credit exposure via investments, which are almost exclusively investment grade rated and benefit from significant structural subordination. We own investment grade rated bonds issued by BDCs and private credit funds aggregating approximately $800 million, which represent less than 5% of total investments. In addition, we own triple A-rated Middle Market CLO tranches as disclosed at our supplement.

Craig Lindner: Longer term, we continue to remain optimistic regarding the prospects of attractive returns from our overall alternative investment portfolio with an expectation of annual returns averaging 10% or better. Recently, there's been an increased focus on insurers' exposure to private credit. AFG has direct private credit exposure, which we define as direct lending to private companies approximating $250 million, which represents 1.5% of total investments.

Speaker #4: Recently, there's been an increased focus on insurers' exposure to private credit. AFG has direct private credit exposure, which we define as direct lending to private companies approximating 250 million dollars, which represents 1.5% of total investments.

Speaker #4: We also have indirect private credit exposure via investments which are almost exclusively investment-grade rated and benefit from significant structural subordination. We own investment-grade rated bonds issued by BDCs and private credit funds aggregating approximately 800 million dollars, which represent less than 5% of total investments.

Craig Lindner: We also have indirect private credit exposure via investments, which are almost exclusively investment grade rated and benefit from significant structural subordination. We own investment grade rated bonds issued by BDCs and private credit funds aggregating approximately $800 million, which represent less than 5% of total investments. In addition, we own triple A-rated Middle Market CLO tranches as disclosed at our supplement.

Speaker #4: In addition, we own AAA-rated middle-market CLO tranches as disclosed at our supplement. We believe that even in a severely adverse economic environment, the significant structural subordination in these securities provide meaningful protection against any material risk of loss.

S. Craig Lindner: We believe that even in a severely adverse economic environment, the significant structural subordination in these securities provide meaningful protection against any material risk of loss. As of 31 March 2026, the market value of our direct and indirect exposure to private credit is approximately equal to cost. In April 2026, AFG reached definitive agreements to sell the Charleston Harbor Resort and Marina. Subject to receipt of necessary third-party approvals and satisfaction of customary closing conditions, the transaction is expected to close in Q2 or Q3 2026. AFG currently expects to recognize a pre-tax core operating gain of approximately $125 million on the sale. This transaction was not contemplated in AFG's original business plan assumptions.

Craig Lindner: We believe that even in a severely adverse economic environment, the significant structural subordination in these securities provide meaningful protection against any material risk of loss. As of 31 March 2026, the market value of our direct and indirect exposure to private credit is approximately equal to cost. In April 2026, AFG reached definitive agreements to sell the Charleston Harbor Resort and Marina. Subject to receipt of necessary third-party approvals and satisfaction of customary closing conditions, the transaction is expected to close in Q2 or Q3 2026.

Speaker #4: As of March 31, 2026, the market value of our direct and indirect exposure to private credit is approximately equal to cost. In April of 2026, AFG reached definitive agreements to sell the Charleston Harbor Resort and Marina.

Speaker #4: Subject to receipt of necessary third-party approvals and satisfaction of customary closing conditions, the transaction is expected to close in the second or third quarter of 2026.

Craig Lindner: AFG currently expects to recognize a pre-tax core operating gain of approximately $125 million on the sale. This transaction was not contemplated in AFG's original business plan assumptions. Please turn to slide 7 where you'll find a summary of AFG's financial position at 31 March 2026. During the quarter, we returned nearly $260 million to our shareholders, including $60 million in share repurchases, a $1.50 per share special dividend at our $0.88 per share regular quarterly dividend.

Speaker #4: AFG currently expects to recognize a pre-tax core operating gain of approximately $125 million on the sale. This transaction was not complicated, nor was it contemplated in AFG's original business plan assumptions.

Speaker #4: Please turn to slide 7, where you'll find a summary of AFG's financial position at March 31, 2026. During the quarter, we returned nearly 260 million dollars to our shareholders including 60 million dollars in share repurchases, a $1.50 per share special dividend, and our 88 cent per share regular quarterly dividend.

S. Craig Lindner: Please turn to slide 7 where you'll find a summary of AFG's financial position at 31 March 2026. During the quarter, we returned nearly $260 million to our shareholders, including $60 million in share repurchases, a $1.50 per share special dividend at our $0.88 per share regular quarterly dividend. We expect our operations to continue to generate significant excess capital throughout the remainder of 2026, which provides ample opportunity for acquisitions, special dividends or share repurchases. We evaluate the best alternatives for capital deployment on a regular basis. We continue to view total value creation as measured by growth and book value, plus dividends is an important measure of performance over the long term.

Speaker #4: We expect our operations to continue to generate significant excess capital throughout the remainder of 2026, which provides ample opportunity for acquisitions, special dividends, or share repurchases.

Craig Lindner: We expect our operations to continue to generate significant excess capital throughout the remainder of 2026, which provides ample opportunity for acquisitions, special dividends or share repurchases. We evaluate the best alternatives for capital deployment on a regular basis. We continue to view total value creation as measured by growth and book value, plus dividends is an important measure of performance over the long term.

Speaker #4: We evaluate the best alternatives for capital deployment on a regular basis. We continue to view total value creation as measured by growth in book value, plus dividends, as an important measure of performance over the long term.

Speaker #4: For the three months ended March 31, 2026, AFG's growth in book value per share excluding AOCI, a plus dividends, was 3.1%. Our strong operating results coupled with effective capital management and our entrepreneurial opportunistic culture and disciplined operating philosophy enable us to continue to create value for our shareholders.

S. Craig Lindner: For the 3 months ended 31 March 2026, AFG's growth and book value per share, excluding AOCI, plus dividends was 3.1%. Our strong operating results, coupled with effective capital management and our entrepreneurial opportunistic culture and disciplined operating philosophy enable us to continue to create value for our shareholders. I'll now turn the call over to Carl to discuss the results of our P&C operations.

Craig Lindner: For the 3 months ended 31 March 2026, AFG's growth and book value per share, excluding AOCI, plus dividends was 3.1%. Our strong operating results, coupled with effective capital management and our entrepreneurial opportunistic culture and disciplined operating philosophy enable us to continue to create value for our shareholders. I'll now turn the call over to Carl to discuss the results of our P&C operations.

Speaker #4: I'll now turn the call over to Carl to discuss the results of our P&C operations.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Craig. Please turn to slides 8 and 9 of the webcast, which includes an overview of our first quarter results. Our specialty property and casualty businesses are off to a strong start.

Carl H. Lindner III: Thanks, Craig. Please turn to slides 8 and 9 of the webcast, which includes an overview of our Q1 results. Our specialty property and casualty businesses are off to a strong start this year, producing a 66% year-over-year increase in underwriting profit. Looking at a few details, you'll see on slide 8 that our specialty property and casualty insurance businesses produced a strong 90.3 combined ratio on the Q1 2026, an improvement of 3.7 points from the 94 reported in the Q1 2025. Q1 2026 results include 2.2 points from catastrophe losses, compared to 4.5 points in the Q1 2025.

Carl Lindner III: Thanks, Craig. Please turn to slides 8 and 9 of the webcast, which includes an overview of our Q1 results. Our specialty property and casualty businesses are off to a strong start this year, producing a 66% year-over-year increase in underwriting profit. Looking at a few details, you'll see on slide 8 that our specialty property and casualty insurance businesses produced a strong 90.3 combined ratio on the Q1 2026, an improvement of 3.7 points from the 94 reported in the Q1 2025. Q1 2026 results include 2.2 points from catastrophe losses, compared to 4.5 points in the Q1 2025.

Speaker #5: This year, producing a 66% year-over-year increase in underwriting profit. Looking at a few details, you'll see on slide 8 that our specialty property and casualty insurance businesses produced a strong 90.3 combined ratio in the first quarter of 2026 and improvement of 3.7 points from the 94 reported in the first quarter of 2025.

Speaker #5: First quarter 2026 results include 2.2 points from catastrophe losses compared to 4.5 points in the first quarter of 2025. First quarter 2026 results benefited from 4.4 points of favorable prior-year reserve development compared to 1.3 points in the first quarter of 2025.

Carl H. Lindner III: Q1 2026 results benefited from 4.4 points of favorable prior year reserve development, compared to 1.3 points in Q1 2025. Each of our Specialty Property and Casualty groups reported higher year-over-year underwriting profit. In Q1 2026, gross and net written premiums were 6% and 3% higher respectively, than the comparable period in 2025. We continue to benefit from the diversification across our 36 businesses and achieve premium growth in the vast majority of them as a result of a combination of new business opportunities, a good renewal rate environment, and increased exposures, while maintaining discipline and focusing on underwriting profitability. Average renewal rates across our Property and Casualty Group, excluding Workers' Comp, were up approximately 5% for the quarter.

Carl Lindner III: Q1 2026 results benefited from 4.4 points of favorable prior year reserve development, compared to 1.3 points in Q1 2025. Each of our Specialty Property and Casualty groups reported higher year-over-year underwriting profit. In Q1 2026, gross and net written premiums were 6% and 3% higher respectively, than the comparable period in 2025.

Speaker #5: Each of our specialty property and casualty groups reported higher year-over-year underwriting profit. In first quarter 2026, gross and net written premiums were 6% and 3% higher, respectively.

Speaker #5: Than the comparable period in 2025. We continue to benefit from the diversification across our 36 businesses and achieve premium growth in the vast majority of them as a result of a combination of new business opportunities, a good renewal rate environment, and increased exposures.

Carl Lindner III: We continue to benefit from the diversification across our 36 businesses and achieve premium growth in the vast majority of them as a result of a combination of new business opportunities, a good renewal rate environment, and increased exposures, while maintaining discipline and focusing on underwriting profitability. Average renewal rates across our Property and Casualty Group, excluding Workers' Comp, were up approximately 5% for the quarter. That was in line with the previous quarter.

Speaker #5: While maintaining discipline and focusing on underwriting profitability, average renewal rates across our property and casualty group, excluding workers' comp, were up approximately 5% for the quarter.

Carl H. Lindner III: That was in line with the previous quarter. Average renewal rates, including Workers' Comp, were up approximately 3% overall. We have reported overall renewal rate increases for 39 consecutive quarters, and we believe we're achieving overall renewal rate increases that enable us to meet or exceed our targeted returns. Now I'd like to turn to slide 9 to review a few highlights from each of our specialty property and casualty business groups. Details are included in our earnings release. I'm going to focus just on summary results here. The businesses in the Property and Transportation Group achieved an excellent 87.6% calendar year combined ratio overall in Q1 2026, an improvement of 4.9 points from the 92.5% reported in the comparable 2025 period.

Speaker #5: That was in line with a previous quarter. Average renewal rates including workers' comp were up approximately 3% overall. We have reported overall renewal rate increases for 39 consecutive quarters and we believe we're achieving overall renewal rate increases that enable us to meet or exceed our targeted returns.

Carl Lindner III: Average renewal rates, including Workers' Comp, were up approximately 3% overall. We have reported overall renewal rate increases for 39 consecutive quarters, and we believe we're achieving overall renewal rate increases that enable us to meet or exceed our targeted returns. Now I'd like to turn to slide 9 to review a few highlights from each of our specialty property and casualty business groups. Details are included in our earnings release. I'm going to focus just on summary results here.

Speaker #5: Now I'd like to turn to slide 9 to review a few highlights from each of our specialty property and casualty business groups. Details are included in our earnings release so I'm going to focus just on summary results here.

Speaker #5: The businesses and the Property and Transportation group achieved an excellent 87.6% calendar year combined ratio overall in the first quarter of 2026, an improvement of 4.9 points from the 92.5% reported in the comparable 2025 period.

Carl Lindner III: The businesses in the Property and Transportation Group achieved an excellent 87.6% calendar year combined ratio overall in Q1 2026, an improvement of 4.9 points from the 92.5% reported in the comparable 2025 period. Nearly all the businesses in this group reported higher year-over-year profitability, led by agricultural and transportation businesses. Q1 2026 gross and net written premiums in this group were 11% and 6% higher than the comparable prior year period.

Speaker #5: Nearly all the businesses in this group reported higher year-over-year profitability, led by agricultural and transportation businesses. First quarter 2026 gross and net written premiums in this group were 11% and 6% higher, respectively, than the comparable prior-year period.

Carl H. Lindner III: Nearly all the businesses in this group reported higher year-over-year profitability, led by agricultural and transportation businesses. Q1 2026 gross and net written premiums in this group were 11% and 6% higher than the comparable prior year period. The increase is primarily attributable to growth in our crop insurance products with higher premium sessions, along with new business opportunities, higher exposures, and a favorable rate environment in several of our transportation businesses. Overall rates in this group increased approximately 6% on average in Q1 2026. Our commercial auto businesses produced a solid underwriting profit in Q1. After 15 years of rate increases, continual refinement of underwriting and claims routines, and investments in our loss control and risk management practices, we're seeing progress in commercial auto liability.

Speaker #5: The increase is primarily attributable to growth in our crop insurance products with higher premium cessions, along with new business opportunities, higher exposures, and a favorable rate environment in several of our transportation businesses.

Carl Lindner III: The increase is primarily attributable to growth in our crop insurance products with higher premium sessions, along with new business opportunities, higher exposures, and a favorable rate environment in several of our transportation businesses. Overall rates in this group increased approximately 6% on average in Q1 2026. Our commercial auto businesses produced a solid underwriting profit in Q1. After 15 years of rate increases, continual refinement of underwriting and claims routines, and investments in our loss control and risk management practices, we're seeing progress in commercial auto liability.

Speaker #5: Overall rates in this group increased approximately 6% on average in the first quarter of 2026. Our commercial auto businesses produced a solid underwriting profit in the first quarter.

Speaker #5: After 15 years of rate increases, continual refinement of underwriting and claims routines, and investments in our loss control and risk management practices, we're seeing progress in commercial auto liability and I'm especially pleased to report a small underwriting profit in commercial auto liability for the quarter.

Carl H. Lindner III: I'm especially pleased to report a small underwriting profit in commercial auto liability for the quarter. We still have more work to do and remain focused on achieving rate in excess of prospective loss ratio trends. In fact, our rates in this line were up approximately 14% in Q1. In taking a early look at crop insurance, industry estimates for the 2026 planted acreage for corn and soybeans overall are generally unchanged from 2025 levels, and planting progress is ahead of historical averages. Generally speaking, for the vast majority of our insured crops, the corn planting window runs from mid-April through the end of May, and the soybean planting window runs from late April to the end of June. It is really early in the growing season.

Carl Lindner III: I'm especially pleased to report a small underwriting profit in commercial auto liability for the quarter. We still have more work to do and remain focused on achieving rate in excess of prospective loss ratio trends. In fact, our rates in this line were up approximately 14% in Q1. In taking a early look at crop insurance, industry estimates for the 2026 planted acreage for corn and soybeans overall are generally unchanged from 2025 levels, and planting progress is ahead of historical averages.

Speaker #5: We still have more work to do and remain focused on achieving rate in excess of prospective loss ratio trends. In fact, our rates in this line were up approximately 14% in the first quarter.

Speaker #5: And taking an early look at crop insurance, industry estimates for the 2026 planted acreage for corn and soybeans overall are generally unchanged from 2025 levels.

Speaker #5: And planting progress is ahead of historical averages. Generally speaking, for the vast majority of our insured crops, the corn planting window runs from mid-April through the end of May and the soybean planting window runs from late April to the end of June.

Carl Lindner III: Generally speaking, for the vast majority of our insured crops, the corn planting window runs from mid-April through the end of May, and the soybean planting window runs from late April to the end of June. It is really early in the growing season. Current commodity futures for corn and soybeans are trading about 7% and 5% higher, respectively, than 2025 spring discovery or 2026 spring discovery prices. Our crop results for 2026 will depend on the harvest yields and prices in the H2 of this year.

Speaker #5: It is really early in the growing season. Current commodity futures for corn and soybeans are trading about 7 and 5% higher, respectively, than 2025 spring discovery or 2026 spring discovery prices.

Carl H. Lindner III: Current commodity futures for corn and soybeans are trading about 7% and 5% higher, respectively, than 2025 spring discovery or 2026 spring discovery prices. Our crop results for 2026 will depend on the harvest yields and prices in the H2 of this year. Now, the businesses in our Specialty Casualty Group achieved a 95.8 calendar year combined ratio overall in the Q1, an improvement of 1.8 points from the 97.6 reported in the comparable period in 2025. Q1 2026 gross and net writ premiums both increased 2% when compared to the same prior year period. Growth from new business opportunities and higher renewals in our targeted markets and workers' compensation businesses were partially offset by heightened competitive conditions in our Excess and Surplus Lines business.

Speaker #5: Our crop results for 2026 will depend on the harvest yields and prices in the second half of this year. Now the businesses in our specialty casualty group achieved a 95.8 calendar year combined ratio overall in the first quarter and improvement of 1.8 points from the 97.6 reported in the comparable period in 2025.

Carl Lindner III: Now, the businesses in our Specialty Casualty Group achieved a 95.8 calendar year combined ratio overall in the Q1, an improvement of 1.8 points from the 97.6 reported in the comparable period in 2025. Q1 2026 gross and net writ premiums both increased 2% when compared to the same prior year period. Growth from new business opportunities and higher renewals in our targeted markets and workers' compensation businesses were partially offset by heightened competitive conditions in our Excess and Surplus Lines business.

Speaker #5: First quarter 2026 gross and net written premiums both increased 2% when compared to the same prior-year period. Growth from new business opportunities and higher renewals in our targeted markets and workers' compensation businesses were partially offset by heightened competitive conditions in our excess and surplus wines business.

Carl H. Lindner III: Excluding our Workers' Comp businesses, renewal rates for this group were up approximately 6% in Q1, consistent with the prior quarter. Pricing this group, including Workers' Comp, was up about 3%. Now, in the Specialty Financial Group, we continued to achieve excellent underwriting margins and reported an exceptional 80% calendar year combined ratio for Q1 2026, an improvement of 7 points from the comparable period in 2025. Gross and net written premiums in this group increased by 6% and 1%, respectively, in the 2026 Q1 compared to the same 2025 period, primarily due to growth in our lender services businesses. Net written premiums were tempered by our decision to cede more of the coastal exposed property business in our financial institutions business beginning in Q2 of last year.

Carl Lindner III: Excluding our Workers' Comp businesses, renewal rates for this group were up approximately 6% in Q1, consistent with the prior quarter. Pricing this group, including Workers' Comp, was up about 3%. Now, in the Specialty Financial Group, we continued to achieve excellent underwriting margins and reported an exceptional 80% calendar year combined ratio for Q1 2026, an improvement of 7 points from the comparable period in 2025.

Speaker #5: Excluding our workers' comp businesses, renewal rates for this group were up approximately 6% in the first quarter consistent with the prior quarter. Pricing in this group, including workers' comp, was up about 3%.

Speaker #5: Now in the specialty financial group, we continue to achieve excellent underwriting margins and reported an exceptional 80% calendar year combined ratio for the first quarter of 2026 and improvement of 7 points from the comparable period in 2025.

Speaker #5: Gross and net written premiums in this group increased by 6% and 1%, respectively. In the 2026 first quarter compared to the same 2025 period.

Carl Lindner III: Gross and net written premiums in this group increased by 6% and 1%, respectively, in the 2026 Q1 compared to the same 2025 period, primarily due to growth in our lender services businesses. Net written premiums were tempered by our decision to cede more of the coastal exposed property business in our financial institutions business beginning in Q2 of last year.

Speaker #5: Primarily due to growth in our lender services businesses. Net written premiums were tempered by our decision to cede more of the Coastal Exposed Property business in our financial institutions business beginning in the second quarter of last year.

Speaker #5: Renewal pricing in this group was up about 1% in the first quarter of 2026 consistent with the prior quarter. And reflecting the strong margins overall earned on these businesses.

Carl H. Lindner III: Renewal pricing in this group was up about 1% in Q1 of 2026, consistent with the prior quarter, and reflecting the strong margins overall earned on these businesses. Craig and I are proud of our proven track record of long-term value creation, and we feel AFG is well positioned to continue to build long-term value for our shareholders for the remainder of this year and beyond. I will now open lines for a Q&A portion of today's call, and Craig and Brian and I would be happy to respond to your questions.

Carl Lindner III: Renewal pricing in this group was up about 1% in Q1 of 2026, consistent with the prior quarter, and reflecting the strong margins overall earned on these businesses. Craig and I are proud of our proven track record of long-term value creation, and we feel AFG is well positioned to continue to build long-term value for our shareholders for the remainder of this year and beyond. I will now open lines for a Q&A portion of today's call, and Craig and Brian and I would be happy to respond to your questions.

Speaker #5: Craig and I are proud of our proven track record of long-term value creation. And we feel AFG is well positioned to continue to build long-term value for our shareholders for the remainder of this year and beyond.

Speaker #5: When Al opened lines for a Q&A portion of today's call, Craig, Brian, and I would be happy to respond to your questions.

Speaker #1: Thank you, as a reminder to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again the first question comes from historian.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. The first question comes from Christian Getzoff with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Speaker #1: Gets off with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Christian Getzoff: Hi. Good morning. My first question is on the Marina sale. Can you quantify what the yield or NII contribution was from that asset as we think about revising the go-forward NII? Any specific plans you could provide for the use of the proceeds once the sale is completed?

Speaker #5: Hi, good morning. My first question is on the marina sale. Can you quantify what the yield or NII contribution was from that asset as we think about revising the go-forward NII and any specific plans you could provide for the use of the proceeds once the sale is completed?

Speaker #6: Yep. Brian, you might have exactly which reported in the financials last year. We did about $16 million of NOI on the property. And Brian is.

Carl H. Lindner III: Yep. Brian, you might have exactly what's reported in the financials. Last year, we did about $16 billion of NOI on the property in binders.

Craig Lindner: Yep. Brian, you might have exactly what's reported in the financials. Last year, we did about $16 billion of NOI on the property in binders.

Speaker #5: Yeah, if you think about the if you think about the proceeds allowed to invest, with the $125 million estimated pre-tax gain, we're going to have more than sort of triple the cost basis to reinvest.

Brian Hertzman: If you think about the proceeds allowed to invest with the $125 million estimated pre-tax gain, we're gonna have more than sort of triple the cost basis to reinvest. If you think of it that way, to replace that income, just investing sort of our normal returns I think will sort of replace the investment income, depending how we do with the money. It's just reinvesting that proceeds at, say, 5% or 6% would replace the income from the property.

Speaker #5: So if you think of it that way, to replace that income just investing sort of our normal returns, I think we'll sort of replace the investment income depending on how we do with the money.

Speaker #5: But it's just reinvesting that proceeds at, say, 5 or 6 percent would replace the income from the property there.

Carl H. Lindner III: On doing a kind of pro forma, I think it really depends upon what we do with the cash. Half of the asset is owned in the parent company, half is owned in the P&C business. I mean, if we repurchase shares, you get one answer. If you just invest in bonds, you get a different answer. If we invest in our business earning high teens returns on capital. The question is, what do we use the proceeds for? I think there's some opportunities for us to redeploy that capital and have it not be dilutive.

Speaker #7: Yeah, I'm doing a kind of pro forma, I think. Really depends upon what we do with the cash. Half of the asset is owned in the parent company.

Craig Lindner: On doing a kind of pro forma, I think it really depends upon what we do with the cash. Half of the asset is owned in the parent company, half is owned in the P&C business. I mean, if we repurchase shares, you get one answer. If you just invest in bonds, you get a different answer. If we invest in our business earning high teens returns on capital. The question is, what do we use the proceeds for? I think there's some opportunities for us to redeploy that capital and have it not be dilutive.

Speaker #7: Half is owned in the P&C business. I mean, if we repurchase shares, you get one answer. If you just invest in bonds, you get a different answer.

Speaker #7: But or if we invest in our business earning high teens returns on capital so question is, what do we use the proceeds for? I think there's some opportunities for us to redeploy that capital and have it not be dilutive.

Speaker #5: Got it. Thank you. And then, from my second question, I noticed you pulled the comment from the press release that said P&C pricing was ahead of loss trend.

Christian Getzoff: Got it. Thank you. For my second question, I noticed you pulled the comment from the press release that said P&C pricing was ahead of loss trend. Can you talk through where pricing is relative to trend now? Was that common in prior periods, primarily on the pricing, including comp, which I think was down 1 point quarter-over-quarter, or also applies to the pricing metric ex comp, which was stable?

Speaker #5: Can you talk through where pricing is relative to trend now? And was that comment in prior periods primarily on the pricing including comp, which I think was down a point quarter over quarter or also applies to the pricing metric X comp, which was stable?

Speaker #6: Yeah, I'm very pleased with our pricing results in the first quarter. Outside of workers' comp, really, the quarter price increases for each of the segments and that were in line with the fourth quarter.

Carl H. Lindner III: Yeah, I'm very pleased with, you know, our pricing results in Q1. Outside of, you know, Workers' Comp, really, you know, the quarter price increases for each of the segments in that were in line with the Q4. Workers' Comp pricing was down around 3% in Q1. The good news along with that is when you look at the loss ratio trends in our Workers' Comp book, you know, they continue to be very benign, in some cases positive. You know, our Workers' Comp results continue to be excellent, you know, in Q1. Actually, you know, very pleased.

Carl Lindner III: Yeah, I'm very pleased with, you know, our pricing results in Q1. Outside of, you know, Workers' Comp, really, you know, the quarter price increases for each of the segments in that were in line with the Q4. Workers' Comp pricing was down around 3% in Q1. The good news along with that is when you look at the loss ratio trends in our Workers' Comp book, you know, they continue to be very benign, in some cases positive. You know, our Workers' Comp results continue to be excellent, you know, in Q1.

Speaker #6: Workers' comp pricing was down around 3% in the first quarter. The good news, along with that, is when you look at the loss ratio trends in our workers' comp book, they continue to be very benign in some cases positive.

Speaker #6: And our workers' comp results continue to be excellent. In the first quarter, so actually, very pleased. I think overall, it's probably good news if when almost all of our businesses are earning a targeted returns, it allows us potentially to be more competitive and just cover loss ratio trends, not necessarily exceed them.

Carl Lindner III: Actually, you know, very pleased. I think overall it's probably good news, if, you know, when almost all of our businesses are earning the targeted returns, you know, it allows us potentially to be more competitive and just cover loss ratio trends, not necessarily exceed them. Now that said, in certain businesses where we still have some work to do, as I mentioned, commercial auto liability, we'd like to see that continue to make a bigger underwriting profit.

Carl H. Lindner III: I think overall it's probably good news, if, you know, when almost all of our businesses are earning the targeted returns, you know, it allows us potentially to be more competitive and just cover loss ratio trends, not necessarily exceed them. Now that said, in certain businesses where we still have some work to do, as I mentioned, commercial auto liability, we'd like to see that continue to make a bigger underwriting profit. We're taking a rate that's in excess of respective loss ratio trends. I think the same is true in Specialty Casualty with our excess liability and umbrella business, you know, where we're, you know, getting price that, you know, continues to be very strong.

Speaker #6: Now, that said, in certain businesses where we still have some work to do, as I mentioned, commercial auto liability, we'd like to see that continue to make a bigger underwriting profit.

Speaker #6: We're taking a rate that's in excess of prospective loss ratio trends. I think the same is true in specialty casualty with our excess liability and umbrella business.

Carl Lindner III: We're taking a rate that's in excess of respective loss ratio trends. I think the same is true in Specialty Casualty with our excess liability and umbrella business, you know, where we're, you know, getting price that, you know, continues to be very strong. I'm very pleased with our Q1 pricing results.

Speaker #6: Where we're getting priced at continues to be very strong. So I'm very pleased with our first quarter. Pricing results.

Carl H. Lindner III: I'm very pleased with our Q1 pricing results.

Speaker #5: Got it. And if I can just go back to your first question on Charleston, so Brian just is giving me the amount that was expected to be reported in 2026.

Christian Getzoff: Got it.

S. Craig Lindner: We should go back to your first question on Charleston. Brian just is giving me the amount that was expected to be reported in 2026. I gave you an NOI number of $16 million. The amount that we had in our plan from Charleston was $12.3 million. It must be a depreciation that accounts for the difference.

Craig Lindner: We should go back to your first question on Charleston. Brian just is giving me the amount that was expected to be reported in 2026. I gave you an NOI number of $16 million. The amount that we had in our plan from Charleston was $12.3 million. It must be a depreciation that accounts for the difference.

Speaker #5: I gave you an NOI number of $16 million. The amount that we had in our plan from Charleston was $12.3 million. So it must be a depreciation that accounts for the difference.

Christian Getzoff: Got it. Thank you for that. Again, just sticking with the alt return. Originally, when you laid out your business plan assumption, you were looking for 8% for the full year. Does the Q1 results change that perception or do you expect like a meaningful acceleration as we go into the H2?

Speaker #5: Got it. Thank you for that. And then I guess just sticking with the alt return, so originally when you laid out your business plan assumption, you were looking for 8% for the full year.

Speaker #5: Does the first quarter result change that perception, or do you expect a meaningful acceleration as we go into the back half?

S. Craig Lindner: Yeah, I would say given the, you know, start to the year, 8% is probably a, you know, an aggressive number. We give assumptions that go into our initial plan, but don't intend to update those during the year. Certainly our expectation is for better performance from the alt portfolio for the balance of the year.

Speaker #6: Yeah, I would say given the start to the year, 8% is probably an aggressive number. Can we give assumptions that go into our initial plan, but don't intend to update those during the year?

Craig Lindner: Yeah, I would say given the, you know, start to the year, 8% is probably a, you know, an aggressive number. We give assumptions that go into our initial plan, but don't intend to update those during the year. Certainly our expectation is for better performance from the alt portfolio for the balance of the year.

Speaker #6: Certainly, our expectation is for better performance from the alt portfolio for the balance of the year.

Christian Getzoff: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Andersen with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker #1: Thank you. And the next question comes from Andrew Anderson with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Andrew Andersen: Hey, good afternoon. Could you walk through some of the drivers of the expense ratio increase, maybe how much of that is structural versus timing from investments and tech or growth initiatives or how much of it might be on contingent commissions?

Speaker #8: Hey, good afternoon. Could you walk through some of the drivers of the expense ratio increase—maybe how much of that is structural versus timing from investments and tech or growth initiatives, or how much of it might be on contingent commissions?

Speaker #9: Sure, Andrew. This is Brian. So if you look across the segments, there's different things driving the different segments. Overall, we continue to invest in our future with IT initiatives around customer experience, IT security, and data analytics.

Brian Hertzman: Sure, Andrew, this is Brian. If you look across the segments, there's different things driving the different segments. Overall, we continue to invest in our future with IT initiatives around customer experience, IT security, and data analytics. That does have some upward pressure there. That's relatively modest. If you look at Specialty Casualty, the expense ratio is up a little bit. Some of that is mix of business and some of that is in our, some of our excess and surplus businesses. We're getting slightly lower ceding commissions from reinsurers. Some ceding commissions reduce underwriting expenses. The getting a little bit lower ceding commission has a modest negative impact on the expense ratio in casualty, but we still feel really good about those reinsurance contracts and the results overall from those businesses.

Speaker #9: So that does have some upward pressure there. But that's relatively modest. If you look at specialty casualty, the expense ratio is up a little bit.

Speaker #9: Some of that is mix of business, and some of that is in our some of our excess and surplus businesses. We're getting slightly lower seating commissions from reinsurers.

Brian Hertzman: Some of that is mix of business and some of that is in our, some of our excess and surplus businesses. We're getting slightly lower ceding commissions from reinsurers. Some ceding commissions reduce underwriting expenses. The getting a little bit lower ceding commission has a modest negative impact on the expense ratio in casualty, but we still feel really good about those reinsurance contracts and the results overall from those businesses.

Speaker #9: So, some seating commissions reduce underwriting expenses. Getting a little bit lower seating commission has a modest negative impact on the expense ratio in casualty.

Speaker #9: But we still feel really good about those reinsurance contracts. And the results overall from those businesses. And then in the financial segment where you see the biggest uptick, that's kind of a bit of good news in that our financial institutions business, some of the commissions that we pay to brokers and agents, vary with the profitability of the business.

Brian Hertzman: In the financial segment where you see the biggest uptick, that's kind of a bit of good news in that our financial institutions business, some of the commissions that we pay to brokers and agents vary with the profitability of the business. With that business being very profitable for another quarter in a row, that shows improvement in the loss ratio. Then in the expense ratio, because of the higher commission, the contingent commission goes up and makes that expense ratio go up a little bit.

Speaker #9: So with that business being very profitable for another quarter in a row, that shows improvement in the loss ratio. But then in the expense ratio, because of the higher commission, the contingent commission goes up and makes that expense ratio go up a little bit.

Speaker #8: Thanks. And then on consolidated premium growth, I think the business plan was for three to five percent for full year. It sounds like crop pricing is early reads are positive.

Andrew Andersen: Thanks. On consolidated premium growth, I think the business plan was for 3% to 5% for full year. It sounds like crop pricing is, early reads are positive. I don't know if you could share what you were kind of thinking in terms of consolidated full year plan growth relative to crop insurance, but it seems like it's starting out better than perhaps the last couple of years from a pricing perspective.

Speaker #8: I don't know if you could share what you were kind of thinking in terms of consolidated full-year plan growth relative to crop insurance, but it seems like it's starting out better than perhaps the last couple of years from a pricing perspective.

Speaker #6: Yeah, I think we would see, when you look at where the spring discovery prices end up—one up a little bit, one down a little bit.

Carl H. Lindner III: Yeah. I think, you know, we would see, when you look at where the spring discovery prices end up, some, you know, went up a little bit, went down a little bit and on corn and soybeans. We think that when all is said and done, our gross written premium is gonna be flat. Because we're due to some changes in our quota share, our net written premiums will be up nicely. That's kind of, you know, what the growth perspective is there in crop.

Carl Lindner III: Yeah. I think, you know, we would see, when you look at where the spring discovery prices end up, some, you know, went up a little bit, went down a little bit and on corn and soybeans. We think that when all is said and done, our gross written premium is gonna be flat. Because we're due to some changes in our quota share, our net written premiums will be up nicely. That's kind of, you know, what the growth perspective is there in crop.

Speaker #6: And on corn and soybeans, we think that when all is said and done, our gross written premium is going to be flat. And because we're due to some changes in our quota share, our net written premiums will be up nicely.

Speaker #6: So that's kind of what the growth perspective is there in crop.

Speaker #8: Thank you.

Andrew Andersen: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is gonna come from Michael Zaremski with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker #1: Thank you. And our next question is going to come from Michael Zarymsky with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Michael Zaremski: Hey, thanks. You know, on the Specialty Casualty segment, if we kind of look at the underlying loss ratio, good results. I think there's some kind of positive seasonality there. Did that come through in a big way? I guess I'm trying to tease out whether you all feel better about kind of turning a corner on social inflationary lines and starting to see some maybe directionally better loss ratios on those lines in this segment. Thanks.

Speaker #10: Hey, thanks. On the specialty casualty segment, if we kind of look at the underlying loss ratio, good results. I think there are some kind of positive seasonality there.

Speaker #10: Did that come through in a big way? I guess I'm trying to tease out whether you all feel better about kind of turning a corner on a social inflationary lines and starting to see some maybe directionally better loss ratios on those lines in the segment.

Speaker #10: Thanks.

Speaker #6: Yeah, I mean, I do think we feel—we do feel better. And I wouldn't make too much out of any one quarter; we always kind of caution there.

Carl H. Lindner III: Yeah, I mean, I do think we feel, we do feel better in that. I wouldn't make too much out of any one quarter, you know. We always kind of caution there, you know, you can have some variability quarter by quarter on that. Yeah, you know, I think we are more positive. I mean, that said, as I, as I just mentioned, in lines like excess liability, where social inflation, you know, is, creates loss ratio trends that are higher, we're still very much focused on pricing that, you know, either equal or exceeds, you know, the loss ratio trends, you know, in that.

Carl Lindner III: Yeah, I mean, I do think we feel, we do feel better in that. I wouldn't make too much out of any one quarter, you know. We always kind of caution there, you know, you can have some variability quarter by quarter on that. Yeah, you know, I think we are more positive. I mean, that said, as I, as I just mentioned, in lines like excess liability, where social inflation, you know, is, creates loss ratio trends that are higher, we're still very much focused on pricing that, you know, either equal or exceeds, you know, the loss ratio trends, you know, in that.

Speaker #6: You can have some variability quarter by quarter on that, but yeah, I think we are more positive. I mean, that said, as I just mentioned, in lines like excess liability, where social inflation creates loss ratio trends that are higher, we're still very much focused on pricing that either equals or exceeds the loss ratio trends in that.

Speaker #6: So I think in past conference calls, I talked about being through pretty much the re-underwriting and restructuring in excess liability on limits reductions, and then our nonprofit business—getting off business.

Carl H. Lindner III: I think, in past conference calls, I talked about being through pretty much the re-underwriting and restructuring in excess liability, you know, on limits reductions and in our nonprofit business, getting off business. You know, both our nonprofit business and our excess liability umbrella businesses are showing growth in Q1. Happy to see, you know, that there is, you know, a positive trend, you know, on the growth side there, also.

Carl Lindner III: I think, in past conference calls, I talked about being through pretty much the re-underwriting and restructuring in excess liability, you know, on limits reductions and in our nonprofit business, getting off business. You know, both our nonprofit business and our excess liability umbrella businesses are showing growth in Q1. Happy to see, you know, that there is, you know, a positive trend, you know, on the growth side there, also.

Speaker #6: And both our nonprofit business and our excess liability umbrella businesses are showing growth in the first quarter. So, happy to see that there is a positive trend on the growth side there also.

Speaker #10: Got it. Switching gears, it's helpful to share our purchases. A bit higher than expected, although I see the share count is not too different than expected.

Michael Zaremski: Got it. Switching gears, if helpful, to share repurchases. You know, a bit higher than expected. Although I, you know, I see the share count not too different than expected, so maybe there was some movement there. Anything we should read into on share purchases that might be leaning into a bit more at the current valuations or just normal kind of activity?

Speaker #10: So maybe there was some movement there. Anything we should read into on share purchases that you're might be leaning into a bit more at current valuations or just normal kind of activity?

S. Craig Lindner: Yeah, this is Craig. You know, we have a lot of excess capital currently. Expect to generate a significant amount of additional excess capital for the balance of the year. We just thought at the prices that we were able to repurchase stock, that was a very good use of some of our excess capital. I think we paid a little over $127 a share and felt that was a very good value.

Craig Lindner: Yeah, this is Craig. You know, we have a lot of excess capital currently. Expect to generate a significant amount of additional excess capital for the balance of the year. We just thought at the prices that we were able to repurchase stock, that was a very good use of some of our excess capital. I think we paid a little over $127 a share and felt that was a very good value.

Speaker #9: Yeah, this is Craig. So we have a lot of excess capital. Currently, we're expected to generate a significant amount of additional excess capital for the balance of the year.

Speaker #9: And we just thought at the prices that we were able to repurchase stock that was a very good use of some of our excess capital.

Speaker #9: I think we paid a little over $127 a share. And felt that was a very good value.

Speaker #8: Got it. And just maybe stepping back in terms of the competitive environment, I think one of the main questions we continue to get is: industry is earning very healthy returns.

Michael Zaremski: Got it. Maybe stepping back on terms of the competitive environment. You know, I think one of the main questions we continue to get is, you know, industries earning very healthy returns, should we expect kind of the competitive levels to continue to incrementally increase as the year plays out? It feels like that's direction, kind of the right direction, unless you all feel like there maybe some levels of. Some lines have kind of reached a floor on how much further they can kinda change in price. Thanks.

Speaker #8: Should we expect the competitive levels to continue to incrementally increase as the year plays out? It feels like that's the direction, unless you all feel like there may be some levels or some lines that have kind of reached the floor on how much further they can kind of change in price.

Speaker #8: Thanks.

Speaker #6: Yeah, I think it's more status quo. I think what we're seeing in the first quarter is what we're going to see for the rest of the year.

Carl H. Lindner III: Yeah, I think it's more status quo. I think, you know, what we're seeing in Q1 is what we're gonna see, you know, for the rest of the year. As you mentioned, you know, I mean, we're in 30-plus different businesses and competitive conditions are different in each. There's some businesses like commercial auto and commercial liability where the industry's still feeling the pain. I think where we're getting our shop in order, it could provide some, you know, nice opportunities for a little bit better growth for us there. Clearly, you know, when things like excess liability, everybody, you know, is still challenged by the loss ratio trends there.

Carl Lindner III: Yeah, I think it's more status quo. I think, you know, what we're seeing in Q1 is what we're gonna see, you know, for the rest of the year. As you mentioned, you know, I mean, we're in 30-plus different businesses and competitive conditions are different in each. There's some businesses like commercial auto and commercial liability where the industry's still feeling the pain. I think where we're getting our shop in order, it could provide some, you know, nice opportunities for a little bit better growth for us there.

Speaker #6: And as you mentioned, I mean, we're in 30-plus different businesses, and competitive conditions are different in each. And there are some businesses, like commercial auto and commercial auto liability, where the industry is still feeling the pain.

Speaker #6: And I think where we're getting our shop in order, it could provide some nice opportunities for a little bit better growth for us there.

Carl Lindner III: Clearly, you know, when things like excess liability, everybody, you know, is still challenged by the loss ratio trends there. I think though, I was kinda happy to see some disruption here on the, you know, among fronting companies, here recently and, you know, around issues around casualty. I've always been pretty skeptical about how many of the MGAs or MGU or the private equity capital coming behind and reinsurers coming behind a lot of these entities riding volatile casualty business.

Speaker #6: Clearly, when things like excess liability—everybody is still challenged by the loss ratio trends there. So I think, though, I was kind of happy to see some disruption here among fronting companies here recently.

Carl H. Lindner III: I think though, I was kinda happy to see some disruption here on the, you know, among fronting companies, here recently and, you know, around issues around casualty. I've always been pretty skeptical about how many of the MGAs or MGU or the private equity capital coming behind and reinsurers coming behind a lot of these entities riding volatile casualty business. If anything, I think those that have been, you know, pricing below us in commercial auto liability and excess liability and some of the more volatile lines, I actually think there's probably gonna be more problems that are gonna surface over the next 12 months, rather than, you know, status quo, at least in some of those, you know, some of the more longer tail casualty lines.

Speaker #6: And around issues around casualty, I've always been pretty skeptical about how many of the MGAs or MGUs or the private equity capital coming behind and reinsurers coming behind a lot of the a lot of these entities writing volatile casualty business.

Speaker #6: If anything, I think those that have been pricing below us in commercial auto liability and excess liability and some of the more volatile lines I actually think there's probably going to be more problems that are going to surface over the next 12 months.

Carl Lindner III: If anything, I think those that have been, you know, pricing below us in commercial auto liability and excess liability and some of the more volatile lines, I actually think there's probably gonna be more problems that are gonna surface over the next 12 months, rather than, you know, status quo, at least in some of those, you know, some of the more longer tail casualty lines.

Speaker #6: Rather than status quo at least in some of those some of the more longer-tail casualty lines.

Michael Zaremski: Understood. Appreciate the color.

Speaker #10: Understood. Appreciate the color.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Your line's open.

Speaker #8: Thank you. And our next question will come from Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Your line's open.

Cameron Bianchi: Hi, this is Cam on for Paul. I know you mentioned a little bit of pain in commercial auto, and we've certainly seen some companies, dealing with that this quarter and in some quarters in the past. I'm just curious.

[Analyst] (Piper Sandler): Hi, this is Cam on for Paul. I know you mentioned a little bit of pain in commercial auto, and we've certainly seen some companies, dealing with that this quarter and in some quarters in the past. I'm just curious. The trend on inflation and severity in commercial auto, if you're seeing any acceleration in that trend or is it more so relatively stable than what we've seen in the past 2 quarters? Thanks.

Speaker #11: Hi, this is Cameron for Paul. I know you mentioned a little bit of pain in commercial auto and we certainly seen some companies dealing with that this quarter and in some quarters in the past.

Speaker #11: Just curious if the trend on inflation and severity in commercial auto—if you're seeing any acceleration in that trend, or is it more so relatively stable than what we've seen in the past couple of quarters?

Cameron Bianchi: The trend on inflation and severity in commercial auto, if you're seeing any acceleration in that trend or is it more so relatively stable than what we've seen in the past 2 quarters? Thanks.

Speaker #11: Thanks.

Speaker #6: I think it's been pretty consistent. Really, it's been consistent for years, being high single-digit, even low double-digit in some years. We're really pleased that again, I'm pleased after having to be on the conference calls over the last eight years telling you I want to get commercial auto liability to an underwriting prop.

Carl H. Lindner III: I think it's been pretty consistent. Really, it's been consistent for years being, you know, you know, high single-digit, even low, low double-digit in some years. We're really pleased that, again, I'm pleased after having to be on the conference calls over the last 8 years telling you I wanna get commercial auto liability to an underwriting profit. I'm happy that, to report how we've done that in Q1. You know, when you look at, our overall commercial auto results then, earning really solid returns at this point, you know, with us getting the commercial auto liability to a small underwriting profit.

Carl Lindner III: I think it's been pretty consistent. Really, it's been consistent for years being, you know, you know, high single-digit, even low, low double-digit in some years. We're really pleased that, again, I'm pleased after having to be on the conference calls over the last 8 years telling you I wanna get commercial auto liability to an underwriting profit. I'm happy that, to report how we've done that in Q1. You know, when you look at, our overall commercial auto results then, earning really solid returns at this point, you know, with us getting the commercial auto liability to a small underwriting profit.

Speaker #6: I'm happy to report that we've done that in the first quarter. So, when you look at our overall commercial auto results, they're earning really solid returns at this point.

Speaker #6: With us getting the commercial auto liability to a small underwriting profit.

Speaker #11: Great news. That's all I have. Thank you.

Cameron Bianchi: Great news. That's all I had. Thank you.

[Analyst] (Piper Sandler): Great news. That's all I had. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question is gonna come from Meyer Shields with KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Speaker #8: Thank you. And our next question is going to come from Miler Shields with Key Bruett and Wood. Your line is open.

Meyer Shields: Great. Thanks so much. I just wanna stick with the commercial auto side if I can, because it is impressive where you've come. Carl, when you talk about there being more work to do, is that rate or is that other underwriting actions within the book?

Speaker #10: Great. Thanks so much. I just want to stick with the commercial auto side if I can because it is impressive where you've come. When you talk about when you talk about there being more work to do, is that rate or is that other underwriting actions within the book?

Speaker #6: No, I think it has to do with continuing to take rate that exceeds loss ratio trends. In order to get the commercial auto liability from a small underwriting profit to a meaningful underwriting profit.

Carl H. Lindner III: No, I think it has to do with continuing to take rate that exceeds loss ratio trends in order to get the commercial auto liability from a small underwriting profit to a meaningful underwriting profit.

Carl Lindner III: No, I think it has to do with continuing to take rate that exceeds loss ratio trends in order to get the commercial auto liability from a small underwriting profit to a meaningful underwriting profit.

Speaker #10: Okay. No, that's helpful. I just didn't know if there's anything else going on. And then, Brian, one follow-up question on Specialty Financial. I totally get the variable compensation, but last year's loss ratio in this segment was actually lower, and the expense ratio was also lower.

Meyer Shields: Okay. No, that's helpful. I just didn't know if there was anything else going on. Brian, one follow-up question on Specialty Financial. I totally get the variable compensation. Last year's loss ratio in this segment was actually lower, and the expense ratio was also lower. I'm wondering what else is going on underneath the surface.

Speaker #10: So I'm wondering what else is going on underneath the surface.

Brian Hertzman: There are a couple other things there. One is the commissions that we pay in that business over long periods of time. The commission, if you had some bad quarters that kind of roll off and good quarters roll in, it can make the cumulative commission higher. There's also a mix of business impact there in that some of the other businesses in financial that run at a higher loss ratio than that financial institutions business also grew this quarter. I think another thing to look at too is those commissions are based on the profitability overall. If you're looking at an accident year loss ratio ex cats were higher last year than this year in the financial segment.

Speaker #12: So there are a couple of other things there. One is the commissions that we pay in that business over a long periods of time.

Speaker #12: So the commission, if you had some bad quarters that kind of roll off and good quarters roll in, it can make the cumulative commission higher.

Speaker #12: There's also a mix of business impact there, in that some of the other businesses and financial that run at a higher loss ratio than that financial institution's business also grew this quarter.

Speaker #12: And I think another thing to look at, too, is those commissions are based on the profitability overall. So if you're looking at an accident year loss ratio ex-cats—cats were higher last year.

Brian Hertzman: I think another thing to look at too is those commissions are based on the profitability overall. If you're looking at an accident year loss ratio ex cats were higher last year than this year in the financial segment. That would have also had an impact on commissions making this year a better year from a including CATs perspective.

Speaker #12: Then this year in the financial segment. So that would have also had an impact on commissions making this year a better year from a including cats perspective.

Brian Hertzman: That would have also had an impact on commissions making this year a better year from a including CATs perspective.

Meyer Shields: Yeah. Perfect. Okay. That really helps. Thank you.

Speaker #10: Yeah. Perfect. Okay. That really helps. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. The next question will come from Hristian Getzoff with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Speaker #8: Thank you. And the next question will come from Christian Getzauf with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Christian Getzoff: Hi. Thank you. I just have one more follow-up. Any indirect impacts on your portfolio that we should think about from the Iran conflict? I'm particularly just thinking about, like, the huge uptick in fertilizer costs and then just overall inflation acceleration. Like, how are you guys thinking about that?

Speaker #13: Hi. Thank you. I just have one more follow-up. Any indirect impacts on your portfolio that we should think about from the Iran conflict? I'm particularly just thinking about the huge uptick in fertilizer costs and then just overall inflation acceleration.

Speaker #13: How are you guys thinking about that?

Speaker #6: Yeah, I think we're in good shape so far. I mean, the near-term impact to us is negligible, or pretty modest and manageable. And those higher fertilizer and fuel costs really don't impact this year much.

Carl H. Lindner III: I think we're in good shape so far. I mean, the near term impact to us is negligible, or, you know, pretty modest and manageable in that. Higher fertilizer and fuel costs really don't impact this year much. I think most of the fertilizer and that was already purchased by farmers and, you know, they're in the process of planning. I think future impact kind of has to do with how long, you know, this conflict goes or this war goes on that. As far as, you know, in other lines of business in that, you know, we really have pretty modest exposure in that.

Carl Lindner III: I think we're in good shape so far. I mean, the near term impact to us is negligible, or, you know, pretty modest and manageable in that. Higher fertilizer and fuel costs really don't impact this year much. I think most of the fertilizer and that was already purchased by farmers and, you know, they're in the process of planning. I think future impact kind of has to do with how long, you know, this conflict goes or this war goes on that. As far as, you know, in other lines of business in that, you know, we really have pretty modest exposure in that.

Speaker #6: I think most of the fertilizer was already purchased by farmers, and they're in the process of planting. I think future impact kind of has to do with how long this conflict goes.

Speaker #6: Or this war goes on that. But as far as other in other lines of business and that, we really have pretty modest exposure. And that.

Christian Getzoff: Makes sense. Thank you.

Speaker #13: Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. Okay, I am showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Diane for closing remarks.

Speaker #8: Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. Okay. I am showing no further questions at this time.

Speaker #8: I will now turn the call back over to Diane for closing remarks.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Michelle. And thank you all for joining us this morning and for your questions. We look forward to connecting with you again when we share results at the end of the second quarter.

Diane Weidner: Thank you, Michelle. Thank you all for joining us this morning and for your questions. We look forward to connecting with you again when we share results at the end of Q2. We hope you all have a great day.

Speaker #1: We hope you all have a great day.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect.

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