Q1 2026 Newmark Group Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good day, and welcome to the Newmark Q1 2026 Public Financial Results Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Jason McGruder, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead. Thank you, Operator. Good morning. Newmark issued its first quarter 2026 financial results press release earlier today. Unless otherwise stated, the results provided on today's call compare only the three months ending March 31, 2026, with the year earlier period.
Jason McGruder: Thank you, operator. Good morning. Newmark issued its Q1 2026 financial results press release earlier today. Unless otherwise stated, the results provided on today's call compare only the 3 months ending 31 March 2026 with the year earlier period. Except as otherwise specified, we'll be referring to results only on a non-GAAP basis, including the terms adjusted earnings, Adjusted EBITDA, and Adjusted Free Cash Flow. Unless otherwise stated, any figures discussed today with respect to cash flow from operations refer to net cash provided by operating activities, excluding the impact of GSE FHA loan origination sales.
Jason McGruder: Thank you, operator. Good morning. Newmark issued its Q1 2026 financial results press release earlier today. Unless otherwise stated, the results provided on today's call compare only the 3 months ending 31 March 2026 with the year earlier period. Except as otherwise specified, we'll be referring to results only on a non-GAAP basis, including the terms adjusted earnings, Adjusted EBITDA, and Adjusted Free Cash Flow. Unless otherwise stated, any figures discussed today with respect to cash flow from operations refer to net cash provided by operating activities, excluding the impact of GSE FHA loan origination sales.
Speaker #3: Except as noted as otherwise specified, we will be referring to our results only on a non-gap basis, including the terms adjusted earnings, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted free cash flow.
Speaker #3: Unless otherwise stated, any figures discussed today with respect to cash flow from operations refer to net cash provided by operating activities excluding the impact of GSE FHA loan origination and sales.
Speaker #3: We may also use the term cash generated by the business, which is that same operating cash flow measure before the impact of cash used for employee loans.
Jason McGruder: We may also use the term cash generated by the business, which is that same operating cash flow measure before the impact of cash used for employee loans. Please refer to today's press release, the supplemental tables, and the quarter results presentation on our website for complete and updated definitions of any non-GAAP terms, reconciliations of these items to the corresponding GAAP results, and how, when, and why management uses them, for additional information on the cash flow measures, as well as relevant industry or economic statistics. The outlook discussed today excludes the potential impact of any future acquisitions and assumes no material changes to Newmark's stock price compared with yesterday's close. Our expectations are subject to change based on various macroeconomic, social, political, and other factors. None of our targets or goals beyond 2026 should be considered formal guidance.
Jason McGruder: We may also use the term cash generated by the business, which is that same operating cash flow measure before the impact of cash used for employee loans. Please refer to today's press release, the supplemental tables, and the quarter results presentation on our website for complete and updated definitions of any non-GAAP terms, reconciliations of these items to the corresponding GAAP results, and how, when, and why management uses them, for additional information on the cash flow measures, as well as relevant industry or economic statistics. The outlook discussed today excludes the potential impact of any future acquisitions and assumes no material changes to Newmark's stock price compared with yesterday's close. Our expectations are subject to change based on various macroeconomic, social, political, and other factors. None of our targets or goals beyond 2026 should be considered formal guidance.
Speaker #3: Please refer to today's press release to supplemental tables and the quarterly results presentation on our website for complete and updated definitions of any non-cap terms, reconciliations of these items to the corresponding gap results, and how, when, and why management uses them.
Speaker #3: For additional information on our cash flow measures, as well as relevant industry or economic statistics, the outlook discussed today excludes the potential impact of any future acquisitions and assumes no material changes to Newmark's stock price compared with yesterday's close.
Speaker #3: Our expectations are subject to change based on various macroeconomic, social, political, and other factors. None of our targets or goals beyond 2026 should be considered formal guidance.
Speaker #3: Also remind you that information on this call contains forward-looking statements, including without limitation, statements concerning our economic outlook and business. Such statements are subject to risk.
Jason McGruder: I also remind you that information on this call contains forward-looking statements, including without limitation, statements concerning our economic outlook and business. Such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause our actual results to differ from expectations. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. For a complete discussion of risks and other factors that may impact these forward-looking statements, see our SEC filings, including but not limited to the risk factors and disclosures regarding forward-looking information in our most recent SEC filings, which are incorporated by reference. I am now happy to turn the call over to our host and Chief Executive Officer, Barry Gosin.
Jason McGruder: I also remind you that information on this call contains forward-looking statements, including without limitation, statements concerning our economic outlook and business. Such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause our actual results to differ from expectations. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. For a complete discussion of risks and other factors that may impact these forward-looking statements, see our SEC filings, including but not limited to the risk factors and disclosures regarding forward-looking information in our most recent SEC filings, which are incorporated by reference. I am now happy to turn the call over to our host and Chief Executive Officer, Barry Gosin.
Speaker #3: And uncertainties, which could cause our actual results to differ from expectations. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Speaker #3: For complete discussion of risks and other factors that may impact these forward-looking statements, see our SEC filings, including but not limited to the risk factors and disclosures regarding forward-looking information and our most recent SEC filings, which are incorporated by reference.
Speaker #3: I'm now happy to turn the call over to our host and Chief Executive Officer, Barry Gosin. Good morning and thank you for joining us.
Barry Gosin: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Newmark continued its strong momentum in Q1 by increasing total revenues 27% and Adjusted EPS 57%. This was our 7th consecutive quarter of double-digit top-line growth and 8th quarter in a row of double-digit earnings improvement. Our results reflected broad-based gains across management services and servicing, leasing, and Capital Markets, driving record Q1 revenues for each of these service lines. Newmark improved management and servicing revenues by 21%. We generated double-digit organic growth from our managed services offerings, which include outsourced fund administration, portfolio analysis, due diligence, and loan sizing. We integrated RealFoundations into this platform, and we expect to drive further growth between these businesses and our other investor and lender solutions.
Barry Gosin: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Newmark continued its strong momentum in Q1 by increasing total revenues 27% and Adjusted EPS 57%. This was our 7th consecutive quarter of double-digit top-line growth and 8th quarter in a row of double-digit earnings improvement. Our results reflected broad-based gains across management services and servicing, leasing, and Capital Markets, driving record Q1 revenues for each of these service lines. Newmark improved management and servicing revenues by 21%. We generated double-digit organic growth from our managed services offerings, which include outsourced fund administration, portfolio analysis, due diligence, and loan sizing. We integrated RealFoundations into this platform, and we expect to drive further growth between these businesses and our other investor and lender solutions.
Speaker #3: Newmark continues its strong momentum in the first quarter by increasing total revenues 27% and adjusted EPS 57%. This was our seventh consecutive quarter of double-digit top-line growth and eighth quarter in a row of double-digit earnings improvement.
Speaker #3: Our results reflected broad-based gains across management services and servicing, leasing, and capital markets, driving record first-quarter revenues for each of these service lines. Newmark improved management and servicing revenues by 21%.
Speaker #3: We generated double-digit organic growth from our managed services offerings, which include outsourced funded administration, portfolio analysis, due diligence, and loan sizing. We integrated real foundations into this platform, and we expect to drive further growth between these businesses and our other investor and lender solutions.
Speaker #3: We remain on pace to achieve our goal of over $2 billion of management and servicing revenues by 2029, compared to $1.3 billion over the trailing 12 months.
Barry Gosin: We remain on pace to achieve our goal of over $2 billion of management and servicing revenues by 2029, compared to $1.3 billion over the trailing 12 months. With respect to leasing, we increased fees by 20%. This reflected a meaningful acceleration in US office leasing volumes, particularly in San Francisco and New York City, as well as the continued expansion of our global footprint. Our performance underscores Newmark's ability to capture complex cross-market leasing mandates from global clients as occupiers increasingly prioritize portfolio optimization, flexibility, and access to specialized talent hubs. We expect leasing activity to benefit from normalizing return to office trends and improving industrial leasing fundamentals in the US and UK. We increased Capital Markets revenues by 45%. Our performance reflected the investments we made in building out an industry-leading advisory business.
Barry Gosin: We remain on pace to achieve our goal of over $2 billion of management and servicing revenues by 2029, compared to $1.3 billion over the trailing 12 months. With respect to leasing, we increased fees by 20%. This reflected a meaningful acceleration in US office leasing volumes, particularly in San Francisco and New York City, as well as the continued expansion of our global footprint. Our performance underscores Newmark's ability to capture complex cross-market leasing mandates from global clients as occupiers increasingly prioritize portfolio optimization, flexibility, and access to specialized talent hubs. We expect leasing activity to benefit from normalizing return to office trends and improving industrial leasing fundamentals in the US and UK. We increased Capital Markets revenues by 45%. Our performance reflected the investments we made in building out an industry-leading advisory business.
Speaker #3: With respect to leasing, we increased fees by 20%. This reflected a meaningful acceleration in US office leasing volumes. Particularly in San Francisco and New York City, as well as the continued expansion of our global footprint.
Speaker #3: Our performance underscores Newmark's ability to capture complex cross-market leasing mandates from global clients as occupiers increasingly prioritize portfolio optimization. Flexibility and access to specialized talent hubs.
Speaker #3: We expect leasing activity to benefit from normalizing return-to-office trends and improving industrial leasing fundamentals in the US and UK. We increased capital markets revenues by 45%.
Speaker #3: Our performance reflected the investments we made in building out an industry-leading advisory business. Newmark is the go-to advisor for the largest and most complex transactions in the market.
Barry Gosin: Newmark is the go-to advisor for the largest and most complex transactions in the market. Real Estate Alert ranked Newmark number 4 in real estate M&A in 2025, the only full-service real estate intermediary in the top 10, alongside leading investment banks. Thus far in 2026, we have continued to invest in our M&A and capital-raising business in both the US and Europe. The company's ongoing success is due to the consistent execution of our strategy of leading with the industry's best talent, deepening client relationships, and expanding our international footprint, which together drive growth across all of our service lines. Given the strong start to the year and our healthy transaction pipeline, we are raising our full-year outlook and expect Newmark to deliver double-digit top and bottom line growth for the third consecutive year in 2026.
Barry Gosin: Newmark is the go-to advisor for the largest and most complex transactions in the market. Real Estate Alert ranked Newmark number 4 in real estate M&A in 2025, the only full-service real estate intermediary in the top 10, alongside leading investment banks. Thus far in 2026, we have continued to invest in our M&A and capital-raising business in both the US and Europe. The company's ongoing success is due to the consistent execution of our strategy of leading with the industry's best talent, deepening client relationships, and expanding our international footprint, which together drive growth across all of our service lines. Given the strong start to the year and our healthy transaction pipeline, we are raising our full-year outlook and expect Newmark to deliver double-digit top and bottom line growth for the third consecutive year in 2026.
Speaker #3: Real estate alert ranked Newmark number four in real estate M&A in 2025, the only full-service real estate intermediary in the top 10. Alongside leading investment banks.
Speaker #3: Thus far in 2026, we have continued to invest in our M&A and capital-raising business in both the US and Europe. The company's ongoing success is due to the consistent execution of our strategy of leading with the industry's best talent, deepening client relationships, and expanding our international footprint, which together drive growth across all of our service lines.
Speaker #3: Given the strong start to the year, and our healthy transaction pipeline, we are raising our full-year outlook and expect Newmark to deliver double-digit top and bottom line growth for the third consecutive year in 2026.
Speaker #3: With that, I am happy to turn the call over to our CFO, Mike Rispoli. Thank you, Barry, and good morning. Total revenues were up 27.2% to an all-time first-quarter best of $846.5 million.
Barry Gosin: With that, I'm happy to turn the call over to our CFO, Mike Rispoli.
Barry Gosin: With that, I'm happy to turn the call over to our CFO, Mike Rispoli.
Mike Rispoli: Thank you, Barry, and good morning. Total revenues were up 27.2% to an all-time Q1 best of $846.5 million, compared with $665.5 million. We increased management services, servicing, and other by 21.2%. This was due to double-digit organic growth as well as recent acquisitions. Leasing was up 20.2%. This was led by significant office activity. Capital Markets increased by 45.5%, reflecting strong gains in senior housing and higher activity in our affordable housing business. We also produced robust improvement from transactions in lodging, industrial, and office. We grew our overall Capital Markets volumes by 67.6%, led by 112.3% improvement in total debt.
Mike Rispoli: Thank you, Barry, and good morning. Total revenues were up 27.2% to an all-time Q1 best of $846.5 million, compared with $665.5 million. We increased management services, servicing, and other by 21.2%. This was due to double-digit organic growth as well as recent acquisitions. Leasing was up 20.2%. This was led by significant office activity. Capital Markets increased by 45.5%, reflecting strong gains in senior housing and higher activity in our affordable housing business. We also produced robust improvement from transactions in lodging, industrial, and office. We grew our overall Capital Markets volumes by 67.6%, led by 112.3% improvement in total debt.
Speaker #3: Compared with $665.5 million. We increased management services, servicing, and other by 21.2%. This was due to double-digit organic growth, as well as recent acquisitions.
Speaker #3: Leasing was up 20.2%. This was led by significant office activity. Capital markets increased by 45.5%, reflecting strong gains in senior housing, and higher activity in our affordable housing business.
Speaker #3: We also produced robust improvement from transactions in lodging, industrial, and office. We grew our overall capital markets volumes by 67.6%, led by a 112.3% improvement in total debt.
Speaker #3: This was the tenth quarter in a row of double-digit revenue and volume growth as Newmark continues to expand its market share. Moving on to expenses.
Mike Rispoli: This was the 10th quarter in a row of double-digit revenue and volume growth as Newmark continues to expand its market share. Moving on to expenses. Total expenses were up by 24.5%. This reflected commission and pass-through expense growth generally in line with related revenue improvement, with the remaining increase largely attributed to our global growth initiatives. With respect to taxes, the company's tax rate for adjusted earnings was 14.7% compared with 14.3% a year earlier. Turning to earnings. We increased Adjusted EPS by 57.1% to $0.33, compared with $0.21. Adjusted EBITDA was $121.2 million, up 35.8% versus $89.2 million. Our Adjusted EBITDA margin on total revenues improved by 91 basis points.
Mike Rispoli: This was the 10th quarter in a row of double-digit revenue and volume growth as Newmark continues to expand its market share. Moving on to expenses. Total expenses were up by 24.5%. This reflected commission and pass-through expense growth generally in line with related revenue improvement, with the remaining increase largely attributed to our global growth initiatives. With respect to taxes, the company's tax rate for adjusted earnings was 14.7% compared with 14.3% a year earlier. Turning to earnings. We increased Adjusted EPS by 57.1% to $0.33, compared with $0.21. Adjusted EBITDA was $121.2 million, up 35.8% versus $89.2 million. Our Adjusted EBITDA margin on total revenues improved by 91 basis points.
Speaker #3: Total expenses were up by 24.5%. This reflected commission and pass-through expense growth, generally in line with related revenue improvement. With the remaining increase largely attributed to our global growth initiatives.
Speaker #3: With respect to taxes, the company's tax rate for adjusted earnings was 14.7%, compared with 14.3% a year earlier. Turning to earnings. We increased adjusted EPS by 57.1% to $33.
Speaker #3: Compared with 21 cents. Adjusted EBITDA was $121.2 million, up 35.8% versus $89.2 million. Our adjusted EBITDA margin on total revenues improved by 91 basis points.
Speaker #3: With respect to share count, our fully diluted weighted average share count was up 0.3% to 256 million. Through April 29th, Newmark repurchased 10.4 million shares at an average price of $14.58, for a total of $151.1 million.
Mike Rispoli: With respect to share count, our fully diluted weighted average share count was up 0.3% to 256 million. Through 29 April, Newmark repurchased 10.4 million shares at an average price of $14.58 for a total of $151.1 million. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $212.1 million of cash and cash equivalents, $832 million of total corporate debt, and 1x net leverage. After quarter end, we renewed our revolving credit facility and increased it 50% to $900 million. On a trailing twelve-month basis, the company increased Adjusted Free Cash Flow by 111.7% to $361.5 million.
Mike Rispoli: With respect to share count, our fully diluted weighted average share count was up 0.3% to 256 million. Through 29 April, Newmark repurchased 10.4 million shares at an average price of $14.58 for a total of $151.1 million. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $212.1 million of cash and cash equivalents, $832 million of total corporate debt, and 1x net leverage. After quarter end, we renewed our revolving credit facility and increased it 50% to $900 million. On a trailing twelve-month basis, the company increased Adjusted Free Cash Flow by 111.7% to $361.5 million.
Speaker #3: Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $212.1 million of cash and cash equivalents, $832 million of total corporate debt, and one-times net leverage.
Speaker #3: After quarter-end, we renewed our revolving credit facility and increased it 50% to $900 million. On a trailing 12-month basis, the company increased adjusted free cash flow by 111.7% to $361.5 million.
Speaker #3: This represented 82.4% of adjusted earnings, which is at the high end of our expected range of 65 to 85 percent. Newmark increased its dividend for the first time since 2022 from 3 cents to 6 cents.
Mike Rispoli: This represented 82.4% of adjusted earnings, which is at the high end of our expected range of 65% to 85%. Newmark increased its dividend for the first time since 2022 from $0.03 to $0.06, reflecting our expectation for sustained earnings growth. Moving to guidance. We are raising our outlook for full year 2026 to the following. We now expect total revenues between $3.775 billion and $3.875 billion, an increase of 15% to 18%. We continue to expect Capital Markets to increase faster than the midpoint, management and servicing growth to be roughly in line with the midpoint, and leasing improvement to be below the midpoint. We anticipate Adjusted EBITDA in the range of $656 million to $694 million, an increase of 17% to 23%.
Mike Rispoli: This represented 82.4% of adjusted earnings, which is at the high end of our expected range of 65% to 85%. Newmark increased its dividend for the first time since 2022 from $0.03 to $0.06, reflecting our expectation for sustained earnings growth. Moving to guidance. We are raising our outlook for full year 2026 to the following. We now expect total revenues between $3.775 billion and $3.875 billion, an increase of 15% to 18%. We continue to expect Capital Markets to increase faster than the midpoint, management and servicing growth to be roughly in line with the midpoint, and leasing improvement to be below the midpoint. We anticipate Adjusted EBITDA in the range of $656 million to $694 million, an increase of 17% to 23%.
Speaker #3: Reflecting our expectation for sustained earnings growth. Moving to guidance. We are raising our outlook for full-year 2026 to the following: We now expect total revenues between $3.775 and $3.875 billion in increase of 15 to 18 percent.
Speaker #3: We continue to expect capital markets to increase faster than the midpoint, management and servicing growth to be roughly in line with the midpoint, and leasing improvement to be below the midpoint.
Speaker #3: We anticipate adjusted EBITDA in the range of $656 million to $694 million, an increase of 17 to 23 percent. We expect our adjusted earnings tax rate to be between 13 and 15 percent, versus 11.4%.
Mike Rispoli: We expect our adjusted earnings tax rate to be between 13% and 15% versus 11.4%. We anticipate Adjusted EPS between $1.87 and $1.98, up 15% to 22%. With that, I would now like to open the call for questions.
Mike Rispoli: We expect our adjusted earnings tax rate to be between 13% and 15% versus 11.4%. We anticipate Adjusted EPS between $1.87 and $1.98, up 15% to 22%. With that, I would now like to open the call for questions.
Speaker #3: And we anticipate adjusted EPS between $1.87 and $1.98, up 15 to 22 percent. With that, I would now like to open the call for questions.
Operator: Thank you. If you are dialed in via the telephone and would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, please press star one to ask a question. We will take our first question from Alex Goldfarb with Piper Sandler.
Operator: Thank you. If you are dialed in via the telephone and would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, please press star one to ask a question. We will take our first question from Alex Goldfarb with Piper Sandler.
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Speaker #3: And we will take our first question from Alex Goldfarb with Piper Sandler.
Speaker #2: Hey, good morning down there. Two questions. First, Mike, the guidance increase rate—it's impressive. I'm curious how your expectation for cash flow growth has changed. Is it mirroring the growth that you now expect in the adjusted EPS, or is cash flow expected to grow differently from earnings?
Alex Goldfarb: Hey, morning down there. Two questions. First, Mike, you know, the guidance increase, great. You know, it's, you know, impressive. Curious how your expectation for cash flow growth, you know, has changed. Is it mirroring the growth that you now expect in the Adjusted EPS, or is cash flow expected to grow differently from earnings?
Alex Goldfarb: Hey, morning down there. Two questions. First, Mike, you know, the guidance increase, great. You know, it's, you know, impressive. Curious how your expectation for cash flow growth, you know, has changed. Is it mirroring the growth that you now expect in the Adjusted EPS, or is cash flow expected to grow differently from earnings?
Speaker #3: Morning, Alex. Yeah, I think our cash flow is going to grow in line with earnings. As we said, and as you can see in the release, it's up significantly year over year on a trailing 12-month basis.
Mike Rispoli: Morning, Alex. Yeah, I think our cash flow is gonna grow in line with earnings. As we said, as you can see in the release, it's up significantly year over year on a trailing 12-month basis. We continue to just generate a lot of cash flow from the business, which gives us a significant amount of flexibility.
Mike Rispoli: Morning, Alex. Yeah, I think our cash flow is gonna grow in line with earnings. As we said, as you can see in the release, it's up significantly year over year on a trailing 12-month basis. We continue to just generate a lot of cash flow from the business, which gives us a significant amount of flexibility.
Speaker #3: And we continue to just generate a lot of cash flow from the business, which gives us a significant amount of flexibility.
Speaker #2: Okay. And the second question is, Barry, you guys have expanded into data centers. Obviously, there's a lot of leasing from AI and office, but there are all these stories that we read about CapEx loads.
Alex Goldfarb: Okay. The second question is, Barry, you guys have expanded into data centers. Obviously, there's a lot of leasing from AI and Office, but there are all these stories that we read about, you know, CapEx loads. You can see with the big tech have increased their CapEx. There's concern about power availability and whether or not there's too much capital chasing data centers or not. As you work with your clients and data centers, are these, you know, playing out and affecting how data centers are being invested in or how your clients are looking at them?
Alex Goldfarb: Okay. The second question is, Barry, you guys have expanded into data centers. Obviously, there's a lot of leasing from AI and Office, but there are all these stories that we read about, you know, CapEx loads. You can see with the big tech have increased their CapEx. There's concern about power availability and whether or not there's too much capital chasing data centers or not. As you work with your clients and data centers, are these, you know, playing out and affecting how data centers are being invested in or how your clients are looking at them?
Speaker #2: You can see with the big tech have increased their CapEx. There's concern about power availability and whether or not there's too much capital chasing data centers or not.
Speaker #2: But as you work with your clients and data centers, is the power of the CapEx concerns are these playing out and affecting how data centers are being invested in or how your clients are looking at them?
Speaker #2: Or are these headlines that we read sort of, I don't want to say noise, but sort of noise around the edges and it hasn't changed the velocity at which people are investing and breaking ground on new data centers?
Alex Goldfarb: Are these headlines that we read sort of, I don't want to say noise, but sort of noise around the edges, and it hasn't changed the velocity at which people are, you know, investing and breaking ground on new data centers?
Alex Goldfarb: Are these headlines that we read sort of, I don't want to say noise, but sort of noise around the edges, and it hasn't changed the velocity at which people are, you know, investing and breaking ground on new data centers?
Barry Gosin: Yeah. The change from using the grid to behind the meter and developing distributed power requires additional expertise in structuring these transactions. Which is good for us because we've been involved in the more complex transactions around structuring credit and the ability to get money for compute. We think the velocity as we see it now, the pipeline looks really, really good. It's still people are aggressively pursuing opportunities. Some of the deckchairs are changing. Some more of the power companies are getting involved closer up into the, you know, the hyperscaler side of the business because they're holding the cards. Understanding and how to navigate in this environment is really interesting and good for us.
Barry Gosin: Yeah. The change from using the grid to behind the meter and developing distributed power requires additional expertise in structuring these transactions. Which is good for us because we've been involved in the more complex transactions around structuring credit and the ability to get money for compute. We think the velocity as we see it now, the pipeline looks really, really good. It's still people are aggressively pursuing opportunities. Some of the deckchairs are changing. Some more of the power companies are getting involved closer up into the, you know, the hyperscaler side of the business because they're holding the cards. Understanding and how to navigate in this environment is really interesting and good for us.
Speaker #3: Yeah. The change from using the grid to behind the meter and developing distributed power requires additional expertise in structuring these transactions. Which is good for us, because we've been involved in the more complex transactions around structuring credit and the ability to get money for compute.
Speaker #3: And we think the velocity, as we see it now, the pipeline looks really, really good. And it's still—people are aggressively pursuing opportunities. And some of the deck chairs are changing.
Speaker #3: Some more of the power companies are getting involved closer up into the hyperscaler side of the business because they're holding the cards. So understanding and how to navigate in this environment is really interesting and good for us.
Speaker #3: And we're really actively pursuing today powered land where you were next to the grid or next to an oil or gas basin is almost any piece of dirt is available subject to the community pushback to be created into either some form of digital infrastructure and hyperscaling.
Barry Gosin: We're really actively pursuing today powered land where you were next to the grid or next to an oil or gas basin. Almost any piece of dirt is available subject to the community pushback to be created into either some form of digital infrastructure and hyperscaling, as opposed to the limited supply of land that was available right next to the grid and the ability for the grid to provide power. It actually opens it up and requires people to be more expert about this. We think it's good for us.
Barry Gosin: We're really actively pursuing today powered land where you were next to the grid or next to an oil or gas basin. Almost any piece of dirt is available subject to the community pushback to be created into either some form of digital infrastructure and hyperscaling, as opposed to the limited supply of land that was available right next to the grid and the ability for the grid to provide power. It actually opens it up and requires people to be more expert about this. We think it's good for us.
Speaker #3: As opposed to the limited supply of land that was available right next to the grid and the ability for the grid to provide power.
Speaker #3: So it actually opens it up and requires people to be more expert about this. So we think it's good for us.
Speaker #2: Okay. So net, you're not seeing any slowdown in the appetite as people face these challenges. You're seeing continued strength in your data center business.
Alex Goldfarb: Okay. Net, you're not seeing any slowdown in the appetite as people face these challenges. You're seeing continued strength in your data center business?
Alex Goldfarb: Okay. Net, you're not seeing any slowdown in the appetite as people face these challenges. You're seeing continued strength in your data center business?
Speaker #3: Yes.
Barry Gosin: Yes.
Barry Gosin: Yes.
Speaker #2: Okay. Cool. Thank you.
Alex Goldfarb: Okay. Cool. Thank you.
Alex Goldfarb: Okay. Cool. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And we will take our next question from Mitch Germain with Citizens Bank.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question from Mitch Germain with Citizens Bank.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question from Mitch Germain with Citizens Bank.
Speaker #4: Thank you, and congrats on the quarter. Just curious—obviously, a couple of acquisitions. I think you even mentioned one or so on the call so far.
Mitch Germain: Thank you, congrats on the quarter. Just curious, obviously a couple acquisitions. I think you either mentioned one or so on the call so far. I'm curious about the integration and cross-sell that you've been able to experience so far.
Mitch Germain: Thank you, congrats on the quarter. Just curious, obviously a couple acquisitions. I think you either mentioned one or so on the call so far. I'm curious about the integration and cross-sell that you've been able to experience so far.
Speaker #4: Curious about the integration and cross-sell that you've been able to experience so far.
Barry Gosin: The cross-sell is incredible. I mean, the opportunity to service our institutional investor portfolio by providing them with things like fund administration, real estate property accounting, staffing, portfolio analysis, cost monitoring, and all of those businesses. Appraisal is incredibly well connected to the things that we do on the product side of selling property, financing property, and placing debt.
Speaker #2: The cross-sell is incredible. I mean, the opportunity to service our institutional investor portfolio by providing them with things like fund administration, real estate property portfolio analysis, cost monitoring, all of those businesses.
Barry Gosin: The cross-sell is incredible. I mean, the opportunity to service our institutional investor portfolio by providing them with things like fund administration, real estate property accounting, staffing, portfolio analysis, cost monitoring, and all of those businesses. Appraisal is incredibly well connected to the things that we do on the product side of selling property, financing property, and placing debt.
Speaker #2: And appraisal is incredibly well connected to the things that we do on the product side of selling property and financing property and placing debt.
Speaker #4: Great. You guys provided some perspective on some of the hiring. And share that you've gotten outside the US. And I'm curious, I think, Barry, you've talked in the past about Garden Leaf and a lot of that had to burn off.
Mitch Germain: Great. You guys provided some perspective on some of the hiring and share that you've gotten outside the US. I'm curious, I think, Barry, you've talked in the past about, you know, garden leave and a lot of that had to burn off. Where are you with regards to productivity of the producers that you've hired outside the US? Are you at, you know, 50% of them, you know, still on the sidelines or is that some of that really, you know, accelerated and you're starting to get a lot more activity from them?
Mitch Germain: Great. You guys provided some perspective on some of the hiring and share that you've gotten outside the US. I'm curious, I think, Barry, you've talked in the past about, you know, garden leave and a lot of that had to burn off. Where are you with regards to productivity of the producers that you've hired outside the US? Are you at, you know, 50% of them, you know, still on the sidelines or is that some of that really, you know, accelerated and you're starting to get a lot more activity from them?
Speaker #4: So where are you with regards to productivity of the producers that you've hired outside the US? I mean, are you at 50% of them still on the sidelines or is that some of that really accelerated and you're starting to get a lot more activity from them?
Speaker #2: Well, as we continue to grow, we're going to still have people in Garden Leaf, but the Garden Leaf is burning off. So in France, for example, we projected probably to a break even in year three where we're profitable in year two.
Barry Gosin: Well, as we continue to grow, we're gonna still have people in garden leave, but the garden leave is burning off. In France, for example, we projected probably to a break even in year three. We're profitable in year two. This, you know, we think the same thing is gonna happen in Germany. We're building out Italy and there was always be a certain amount of garden leave and burn off, but it's burning off. That's in the UK, we're more mature. As we continue to mature, it will continue to burn off.
Barry Gosin: Well, as we continue to grow, we're gonna still have people in garden leave, but the garden leave is burning off. In France, for example, we projected probably to a break even in year three. We're profitable in year two. This, you know, we think the same thing is gonna happen in Germany. We're building out Italy and there was always be a certain amount of garden leave and burn off, but it's burning off. That's in the UK, we're more mature. As we continue to mature, it will continue to burn off.
Speaker #2: So we think the same thing is going to happen in Germany. We're building out Italy and so there was always a certain amount of Garden Leaf and burn off, but it's burning off.
Speaker #2: That's in the UK where more mature. And as we continue to mature, it will continue to burn off. So but the capital upfront and the requirements upfront in Europe and other parts of the world will be less than what we have to do in the United States.
Barry Gosin: But the capital up front and the requirements up front in Europe and other parts of the world will be less than what we have to do in the United States. The United States is pretty well built out.
Barry Gosin: But the capital up front and the requirements up front in Europe and other parts of the world will be less than what we have to do in the United States. The United States is pretty well built out.
Speaker #2: And the United States is pretty well built out.
Speaker #4: Yeah. And Mitch, this is Mike. I would add to that. You could see in our earnings presentation, we show that the rest of the world is growing faster than revenue in the US.
Mike Rispoli: Yeah. Mitch, this is Mike. I would add to that. You could see in our earnings presentation, we show that the rest of the world is growing faster than revenue in the US. Part of the reason is because the people are starting to ramp up that we hired 12, 18 months ago. We're growing 37.9% outside of the US, and 26.6% in the US. It's starting to happen.
Mike Rispoli: Yeah. Mitch, this is Mike. I would add to that. You could see in our earnings presentation, we show that the rest of the world is growing faster than revenue in the US. Part of the reason is because the people are starting to ramp up that we hired 12, 18 months ago. We're growing 37.9% outside of the US, and 26.6% in the US. It's starting to happen.
Speaker #4: And part of the reason is because the people are starting to ramp up that we hired 12, 18 months ago. We're growing 37.9% outside of the US.
Speaker #4: And 26.6% in the U.S., so it's starting to happen.
Speaker #2: To clarify, outside the US and UK, 37.9%.
Jason McGruder: To clarify, outside the US and UK, 37.9%.
Jason McGruder: To clarify, outside the US and UK, 37.9%.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Jason.
Mike Rispoli: Thank you, James.
Mike Rispoli: Thank you, Jason.
Speaker #5: Yeah, all right, great. Last one from me, Mike. We'll have you, maybe. Listen, great first quarter, but it's early in the year, and the backdrop remains sort of turbulent.
Mitch Germain: Yeah. All right, great. Last one from me, Mike, or Hany maybe. You've listed great Q1, but it's early in the year. And, you know, the backdrop remains sort of turbulent. I'm curious about your confidence in raising the outlook so soon.
Mitch Germain: Yeah. All right, great. Last one from me, Mike, or Hany maybe. You've listed great Q1, but it's early in the year. And, you know, the backdrop remains sort of turbulent. I'm curious about your confidence in raising the outlook so soon.
Speaker #5: So I'm curious about your confidence in raising the outlook so soon.
Speaker #2: You know, Mitch, we're always a little bit on the conservative side, at least I am. So good start to the year, obviously. Pipelines remain strong.
Mike Rispoli: You know, Mitch, we're always a little bit on the conservative side, at least I am. Good start to the year, obviously. Pipelines remain strong. We don't see transactions falling out of the pipeline. They're closing. Maybe they take a few more days to close because of the complexity of the market. You know, in our recurring businesses, we obviously have very good visibility there. Up over 20% in Q1. We continue to grow our servicing book. It's now over $220 billion. We feel really good about the guidance.
Mike Rispoli: You know, Mitch, we're always a little bit on the conservative side, at least I am. Good start to the year, obviously. Pipelines remain strong. We don't see transactions falling out of the pipeline. They're closing. Maybe they take a few more days to close because of the complexity of the market. You know, in our recurring businesses, we obviously have very good visibility there. Up over 20% in Q1. We continue to grow our servicing book. It's now over $220 billion. We feel really good about the guidance.
Speaker #2: We don't see transactions falling out of the pipeline. They're closing maybe they take a few more days to close. Because of the complexity of the market.
Speaker #2: But in our recurring businesses, we obviously have very good visibility there. Up over 20% in the first quarter. We continue to grow our servicing book.
Speaker #2: It's now over 220 billion. So we feel really good about the guidance.
Speaker #5: Thank you. Congrats.
Mitch Germain: Thank you. Congrats.
Mitch Germain: Thank you. Congrats.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We will take our next question from Brendan Lynch with Barclays.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question from Brendan Lynch with Barclays.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question from Brendan Lynch with Barclays.
Speaker #6: Great, thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just one to clarify on the guidance. Leasing revenue growth is below the midpoint of revenue growth guidance following pretty strong Q1.
Brendan Lynch: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just one to clarify on the guidance. Leasing revenue growth is below the midpoint of revenue growth guidance following a pretty strong Q1. Is this just comps or are you being conservative or is there something else that we should be aware of?
Brendan Lynch: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just one to clarify on the guidance. Leasing revenue growth is below the midpoint of revenue growth guidance following a pretty strong Q1. Is this just comps or are you being conservative or is there something else that we should be aware of?
Speaker #6: Is this just comps or are you being conservative or is there something else that we should be aware of?
Speaker #4: It's mostly comps. We had a very, very strong leasing business in the second half of last year. So the business still looks really good.
Mike Rispoli: Mostly comps. We had a very, very strong leasing business in H2 of last year. The business still looks really good. I think we had talked about San Francisco, New York, Texas being really strong markets. That continues to happen. The comps get a little tougher as we move through the year.
Mike Rispoli: Mostly comps. We had a very, very strong leasing business in H2 of last year. The business still looks really good. I think we had talked about San Francisco, New York, Texas being really strong markets. That continues to happen. The comps get a little tougher as we move through the year.
Speaker #4: I think we had talked about San Francisco and New York, Texas being really strong markets. That continues to happen. But the comps get a little tougher as we move through the year.
Speaker #6: Okay, makes sense. And then on capital markets, it seems like the industrial operators have suggested there's some momentum around advanced manufacturing. Maybe just tell us what you're seeing on the ground, and what you see as the opportunity going forward.
Brendan Lynch: Okay. Makes sense. On Capital Markets, it seems like there the industrial operators have suggested there's some momentum around advanced manufacturing. Maybe just tell us what you're seeing on the ground and what you see as the opportunity going forward?
Brendan Lynch: Okay. Makes sense. On Capital Markets, it seems like there the industrial operators have suggested there's some momentum around advanced manufacturing. Maybe just tell us what you're seeing on the ground and what you see as the opportunity going forward?
Speaker #2: I mean, there's enormous activity around advanced manufacturing. There's a lot of incentives. I mean, it started with the chip act. It's now with the administrations investment in infrastructure and power and attracting and encouraging people to come to the United States to build these plants.
Barry Gosin: There's enormous activity around advanced manufacturing. There's a lot of incentives. I mean, it started with the CHIP Act. It's now with the administration's investment in infrastructure and power and attracting and encouraging people to come to the United States to build these plants. I think you're gonna see a trend towards matching hyperscalers with advanced manufacturing because there is pushback on some of these data centers by communities because it is, it is a burden on the grid, and it's a burden on the normal ratepayer. If you, if you come along with jobs, principalities will be encouraged to invite you in, and the bonus will be bring me your chip manufacturing, we'll give you a few gigs for advanced for data centers.
Barry Gosin: There's enormous activity around advanced manufacturing. There's a lot of incentives. I mean, it started with the CHIP Act. It's now with the administration's investment in infrastructure and power and attracting and encouraging people to come to the United States to build these plants. I think you're gonna see a trend towards matching hyperscalers with advanced manufacturing because there is pushback on some of these data centers by communities because it is, it is a burden on the grid, and it's a burden on the normal ratepayer. If you, if you come along with jobs, principalities will be encouraged to invite you in, and the bonus will be bring me your chip manufacturing, we'll give you a few gigs for advanced for data centers.
Speaker #2: You're also—I think you're going to see a trend towards matching hyperscalers with advanced manufacturing, because there is pushback on some of these data centers by communities, because it is a burden on the grid.
Speaker #2: And it's a burden on the normal rate payer. So if you come along with the jobs, principalities will be encouraged to invite you in.
Speaker #2: And the bonus will be bring me your chip manufacturing and then we'll give you the ability we'll give you a few gigs for advanced data centers.
Barry Gosin: I think that and we're seeing more of that in parts of the country where they've sort of smartened up on trying to encourage job growth, which is what this country is looking for.
Speaker #2: So, I think that—and we're seeing more of that in parts of the country where they've gotten, they've sort of smartened up on trying to encourage job growth, which is what this country is looking for.
Barry Gosin: I think that and we're seeing more of that in parts of the country where they've sort of smartened up on trying to encourage job growth, which is what this country is looking for.
Speaker #6: Great, that's very helpful color. Maybe just to dig in on that a little bit more—how many of the, I guess, what percentage of the hyperscale deals are you seeing that are coming in kind of in conjunction with an advanced manufacturing, kind of a package deal?
Brendan Lynch: Great. That's very helpful color. Maybe just to dig in on that a little bit more, how many of the or I guess what percentage of the hyperscale deals are you seeing that are coming in kind of some sort of conjunction with an advanced manufacturing, kind of a package deal?
Brendan Lynch: Great. That's very helpful color. Maybe just to dig in on that a little bit more, how many of the or I guess what percentage of the hyperscale deals are you seeing that are coming in kind of some sort of conjunction with an advanced manufacturing, kind of a package deal?
Speaker #2: It's early, but we're working on a it's early. I think that's a trend that will continue to build because of the nature of the community sort of the NIMBY, the not don't build it in my neighborhood.
Barry Gosin: It's early, but we're working on it. It's early. I think that's a trend that will continue to build because of the nature of the community, sort of the NIMBY, the not, you know, don't build it in my neighborhood, and the lack of power and the need for power. I think if, you know, if advanced manufacturing is smart, they will hook together with hyperscalers or become hyperscalers.
Barry Gosin: It's early, but we're working on it. It's early. I think that's a trend that will continue to build because of the nature of the community, sort of the NIMBY, the not, you know, don't build it in my neighborhood, and the lack of power and the need for power. I think if, you know, if advanced manufacturing is smart, they will hook together with hyperscalers or become hyperscalers.
Speaker #2: And the lack of power and the need for power. So I think if advanced manufacturing is smart, they will hook together with hyperscalers. Or become hyperscalers.
Speaker #6: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Brendan Lynch: Okay, great. Thank you.
Brendan Lynch: Okay, great. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We will take our next question from Jade Ramani with KBW.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question from Jade Rahmani with KBW.
Operator: Thank you. We will take our next question from Jade Rahmani with KBW.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Can you talk about how you're rolling out AI, what percentage of the teams are using it, what safeguards you're putting in place to protect Newmark's data, and where you see the biggest impact to the business?
Jade Rahmani: Thank you very much. Can you talk about how you're rolling out AI, what percentage of the teams are using it, what safeguards you're putting in place to protect Newmark's data, and where you see the biggest impact to the business?
Speaker #4: Thank you, very much. Can you talk about how you're rolling out AI? What percentage of the teams are using it? What safeguards you're putting in place to protect new marks data?
Speaker #4: And where you see the biggest impact to the business?
Speaker #2: As we've said previously, we think we're in a terrific position to benefit from AI. On a productivity basis, people look to the results in terms of enhanced margin.
Barry Gosin: As we've said previously, we think we're in a terrific position to benefit from AI on a productivity basis. People look to, you know, the results in terms of enhanced margin. That's a piece of it. For us, since our whole strategy has been around getting the best talent and doing more with less, if we can provide the better people with the infrastructure and technology to help them do more with less, they'll be in front of clients more. We're, we believe in innovation at the cellular level, the same as evolution is, and we're seeing our smart people upskilling themselves, and we're supporting that to make them better with AI.
Barry Gosin: As we've said previously, we think we're in a terrific position to benefit from AI on a productivity basis. People look to, you know, the results in terms of enhanced margin. That's a piece of it. For us, since our whole strategy has been around getting the best talent and doing more with less, if we can provide the better people with the infrastructure and technology to help them do more with less, they'll be in front of clients more. We're, we believe in innovation at the cellular level, the same as evolution is, and we're seeing our smart people upskilling themselves, and we're supporting that to make them better with AI.
Speaker #2: That's a piece of it. But for us, since we our whole strategy has been around getting the best talent and doing more with less, if we can provide the better people with the infrastructure and technology to help them do more with less, they'll be in front of clients more.
Speaker #2: So we're we believe in level. The same as evolution is. And we're seeing our smart people upskilling themselves and we're supporting that to make them better with AI.
Speaker #2: So we're getting a relatively broad and continuously accelerated adoption in AI and a variety of different platforms.
Barry Gosin: We're getting a relatively broad and continuously accelerated adoption in AI and a variety of different platforms.
Barry Gosin: We're getting a relatively broad and continuously accelerated adoption in AI and a variety of different platforms.
Speaker #4: And are you looking to expand management services that whole business area into infrastructure management?
Jade Rahmani: Are you looking to expand management services, that whole business area into infrastructure management?
Jade Rahmani: Are you looking to expand management services, that whole business area into infrastructure management?
Speaker #2: Of course.
Barry Gosin: Of course.
Barry Gosin: Of course.
Speaker #4: What might that include? I'm talking about energy utilities. Potentially government agency work as the government expands its AI investments all these critical infrastructure.
Jade Rahmani: What might that include? I'm talking about, you know, energy, utilities, potentially government agency work as the government expands its AI investments.
Jade Rahmani: What might that include? I'm talking about, you know, energy, utilities, potentially government agency work as the government expands its AI investments.
Barry Gosin: All those.
Barry Gosin: All those.
Jade Rahmani: Some of the most critical infrastructure.
Jade Rahmani: Some of the most critical infrastructure.
Barry Gosin: I mean, we've hired some energy and infrastructure bankers. We're doing banking along that side, where clients of ours need power, understanding how to get power and how to contract for power and how to structure leases around having the power is really important. We think that's important. Managing facilities that are more technical is certainly a business that we're moving into. Cost monitoring around infrastructure building is a business that we are in in a smaller way, but we're gonna expand that.
Barry Gosin: I mean, we've hired some energy and infrastructure bankers. We're doing banking along that side, where clients of ours need power, understanding how to get power and how to contract for power and how to structure leases around having the power is really important. We think that's important. Managing facilities that are more technical is certainly a business that we're moving into. Cost monitoring around infrastructure building is a business that we are in in a smaller way, but we're gonna expand that.
Speaker #2: We've hired some energy and infrastructure bankers. We're doing banking along that side. We're clients of ours need power understanding how to get power and how to contract for power.
Speaker #2: And how to structure leases around having the power is really important. So we think that's important. Managing facilities that are more technical is certainly a business that we're moving into.
Speaker #2: Cost monitoring around infrastructure building is a business that we are in in a smaller way, but we're going to expand that. And construction project management around infrastructure is an area that is just at the beginning for us.
Barry Gosin: Construction, project management around infrastructure is an area that is just at the beginning for us, and we see that as a real avenue of opportunity, especially in light of how active we are on the infrastructure and data center space, in that space.
Barry Gosin: Construction, project management around infrastructure is an area that is just at the beginning for us, and we see that as a real avenue of opportunity, especially in light of how active we are on the infrastructure and data center space, in that space.
Speaker #2: And we see that as a real avenue of opportunity, especially in light of how active we are on the infrastructure and data center space in that space.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you.
Jade Rahmani: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one. And we will take our next question from Julian Bluen with Goldman Sachs.
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Speaker #5: Yeah. Thank you for taking my question. Just I was wondering if you could dig a little bit more into the financing volume success you're seeing.
Julien Blouin: Yeah. Thank you for taking my question. Just, I was wondering if you could dig a little bit more into the financing volume success you're seeing. I mean, there were some large transactions, but even beyond that, a really strong quarter there. Also, I think there was a note about affordable housing business now really starting to contribute in a meaningful way. What's going on there?
Julien Blouin: Yeah. Thank you for taking my question. Just, I was wondering if you could dig a little bit more into the financing volume success you're seeing. I mean, there were some large transactions, but even beyond that, a really strong quarter there. Also, I think there was a note about affordable housing business now really starting to contribute in a meaningful way. What's going on there?
Speaker #5: I mean, there were some large transactions, but even beyond that, a really strong quarter there. And also, I think there was a note about the affordable housing business now really starting to contribute in a meaningful way.
Speaker #5: What's going on there?
Speaker #2: Well, so in the affordable space, we hired the number one team in the country, which was—is now a year and a half, two years.
Barry Gosin: Well, in the affordable space, we hired the number 1 team in the country, which is now 1.5 years, 2 years. As you may or may not know, to do an affordable deal or get HUD approval, it's a 1.5-year process to get started. We are seeing that ramp. I think investors are looking for alternative asset classes, and affordable is in that bucket. You know, senior housing is having a real charge, student housing and medical office buildings, those kind of things, which in some cases to investors seems to be AI-proof because it's distributed, local, nothing's gonna impact that. It's needed. We're seeing investors move into those areas. Affordable is one of those areas.
Barry Gosin: Well, in the affordable space, we hired the number 1 team in the country, which is now 1.5 years, 2 years. As you may or may not know, to do an affordable deal or get HUD approval, it's a 1.5-year process to get started. We are seeing that ramp. I think investors are looking for alternative asset classes, and affordable is in that bucket. You know, senior housing is having a real charge, student housing and medical office buildings, those kind of things, which in some cases to investors seems to be AI-proof because it's distributed, local, nothing's gonna impact that. It's needed. We're seeing investors move into those areas. Affordable is one of those areas.
Speaker #2: As you may or may not know, to do an affordable deal or get a HUD year and a half process to get started. So we are seeing that ramp.
Speaker #2: So and I think investors are looking for alternative asset classes. And affordable is in that bucket. Senior housing is having a real charge. And student housing and medical office buildings those kind of things which in some cases to investors seems to be AI proof because it's distributed local nothing's going to impact that.
Speaker #2: It's needed. So we're seeing investors move into those areas. So affordable is one of those areas. I'm in a big part section eight. And another part lightech.
Barry Gosin: I mean, a big part Section 8 and another part LIHTC. With LIHTC, it's, it has no party. Basically, from a Democratic point of view, you want more housing. From a Republican point of view, it's fueled by private tax credits, so it fits perfectly. It's more housing, so it's, you know, it's a good category to invest in.
Barry Gosin: I mean, a big part Section 8 and another part LIHTC. With LIHTC, it's, it has no party. Basically, from a Democratic point of view, you want more housing. From a Republican point of view, it's fueled by private tax credits, so it fits perfectly. It's more housing, so it's, you know, it's a good category to invest in.
Speaker #2: With lightech, it's not it has no party. Basically, from a democratic point of view, you want more housing. From a Republican point of view, it's fueled by private tax credits.
Speaker #2: So it fits perfectly in. And it's more housing. So it's a good category to invest in.
Julien Blouin: no, that's really helpful. Thank you. Then I guess you know, slightly related to that, what about on sort of the AI risks to that business? You know, I hear worries out there that some parts of GSE loan origination or loan servicing could be disruptable. I guess, do you agree with those views?
Speaker #5: No, that's really helpful. Thank you. And then I guess slightly related to that, what about on sort of the AI risks that business? I hear worries out there that some parts of GSE loan origination or loan servicing could be disruptible.
Julien Blouin: no, that's really helpful. Thank you. Then I guess you know, slightly related to that, what about on sort of the AI risks to that business? You know, I hear worries out there that some parts of GSE loan origination or loan servicing could be disruptable. I guess, do you agree with those views?
Speaker #5: I guess, do you agree with those views?
Speaker #2: You know, there will be I mean, if you have a loan serving business, you're going to be able to bring margin to the equation.
Barry Gosin: You know, there will be, I mean, if you have a loan serving business, you're gonna be able to bring margin to the equation. That's in a bunch of businesses. We certainly will take advantage of that. I don't see that changing much other than enhancing margin at this moment.
Barry Gosin: You know, there will be, I mean, if you have a loan serving business, you're gonna be able to bring margin to the equation. That's in a bunch of businesses. We certainly will take advantage of that. I don't see that changing much other than enhancing margin at this moment.
Speaker #2: So, that and that's in a bunch of businesses. We certainly will take advantage of that. But I don't see that changing much, other than enhancing margin.
Speaker #2: At this moment.
Speaker #5: That makes sense. Thank you very much.
Julien Blouin: That makes sense. Thank you very much.
Julien Blouin: That makes sense. Thank you very much.
Speaker #1: Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Barry Gosin, CEO, for any additional or closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Barry Gosin, CEO, for any additional or closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Barry Gosin, CEO, for any additional or closing remarks.
Speaker #2: So, we look forward to speaking to you next quarter.
Barry Gosin: We look forward to speaking to you next quarter.
Barry Gosin: We look forward to speaking to you next quarter.
Operator: This does conclude today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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