Q1 2026 NMI Holdings Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good day, welcome to the NMI Holdings, Inc. Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the Star key followed by 0. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star then 1 on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press Star then 2. Please note this event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to John Swenson of management. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good day, welcome to the NMI Holdings, Inc. Q1 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the Star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to John Swenson of management. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touchtone phone.
Speaker #2: To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Swenson of management.
Speaker #2: Please go ahead. Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and welcome to the 2026 first quarter conference call for National MI. I'm John Swenson, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury.
John Swenson: Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, welcome to the 2026 Q1 conference call for National MI. I'm John Swenson, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Joining us on the call today are Bradley Shuster, Executive Chairman, Adam Pollitzer, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Aurora Swithenbank, our Chief Financial Officer. Financial results for the quarter were released after the close today. The press release may be accessed on NMI's website, located at nationalmi.com, under the Investors tab. During the course of this call, we may make comments about our expectations for the future. Actual results could differ materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements. Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results or trends to differ materially from those discussed on the call can be found on our website or through our filings with the SEC.
John Swenson: Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, welcome to the Q1 2026 conference call for National MI. I'm John Swenson, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Joining us on the call today are Bradley Shuster, Executive Chairman, Adam Pollitzer, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Aurora Swithenbank, our Chief Financial Officer. Financial results for the quarter were released after the close today. The press release may be accessed on NMI's website, located at nationalmi.com, under the Investors tab. During the course of this call, we may make comments about our expectations for the future. Actual results could differ materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements. Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results or trends to differ materially from those discussed on the call can be found on our website or through our filings with the SEC.
Speaker #2: Joining us on the call today are Brad Shuster, Executive Chairman; Adam Pollitzer, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Aurora Swithenbank, our Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: Financial results for the quarter were released after the close today. The press release may be accessed on NMI's website, located at nationalmi.com under the Investors tab.
Speaker #2: During the course of this call, we may make comments about our expectations for the future. Actual results could differ materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results or trends to differ materially from those discussed on the call can be found on our website or through our filings with the SEC.
Speaker #2: If and to the extent the company makes forward-looking statements, we do not undertake any obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent developments.
John Swenson: If and to the extent the company makes forward-looking statements, we do not undertake any obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent developments. Further, no one should rely on the fact that the guidance of such statements is current at any time other than the time of this call. Also note that on this call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP measures. In today's press release and on our website, we've provided a reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable measures under GAAP. Now I'll turn the call over to Brad.
John Swenson: If and to the extent the company makes forward-looking statements, we do not undertake any obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent developments. Further, no one should rely on the fact that the guidance of such statements is current at any time other than the time of this call. Also note that on this call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP measures. In today's press release and on our website, we've provided a reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable measures under GAAP. Now I'll turn the call over to Brad.
Speaker #2: Further, no one should rely on the fact that the guidance of such statements is current at any time other than the time of this call.
Speaker #2: Also note that on this call, we may refer to certain non-gap measures. In today's press release and on our website, we've provided a reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable measures under gap.
Speaker #2: Now I'll turn the call over to Brad.
Speaker #3: Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to report that in the first quarter, National MI again delivered standout operating performance, continued growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results.
Bradley Shuster: Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to report that in Q1, National MI again delivered standout operating performance, continued growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. Our lenders and their borrowers continued to turn to us for critical down payment support. In Q1, we generated $12.3 billion of NIW volume, ending the period with a record $222.3 billion of high-quality, high-performing primary insurance in force. In Washington, our conversations remain active and constructive. We have long noted that there is bipartisan recognition of the unique and valuable role that the private mortgage insurance industry plays. We are in the market every day with a clear mandate and purpose, offering a low-cost, high-value solution that helps borrowers bridge the down payment gap and meaningfully reduces the cash required at the closing table.
Bradley Shuster: Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to report that in Q1, National MI again delivered standout operating performance, continued growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. Our lenders and their borrowers continued to turn to us for critical down payment support. In Q1, we generated $12.3 billion of NIW volume, ending the period with a record $222.3 billion of high-quality, high-performing primary insurance in force. In Washington, our conversations remain active and constructive. We have long noted that there is bipartisan recognition of the unique and valuable role that the private mortgage insurance industry plays. We are in the market every day with a clear mandate and purpose, offering a low-cost, high-value solution that helps borrowers bridge the down payment gap and meaningfully reduces the cash required at the closing table.
Speaker #3: Our lenders and their borrowers continued to turn to us for critical down payment support, and in the first quarter, we generated $12.3 billion of NIW volume.
Speaker #3: Ending the period with a record $222.3 billion of high-quality, high-performing, primary insurance enforced. In Washington, our conversations remain active and constructive. We have long noted that there is bipartisan recognition of the unique and valuable role that the private mortgage insurance industry plays.
Speaker #3: We are in the market every day with a clear mandate and purpose: offering a low-cost, high-value solution that helps borrowers bridge the down payment gap and meaningfully reduces the cash required at the closing table.
Speaker #3: In the process, we help to make homeownership more affordable and achievable for millions of Americans, in communities across the country. With coverage that works to insulate the GSEs and taxpayers from risk and loss in a downturn.
Bradley Shuster: In the process, we help to make homeownership more affordable and achievable for millions of Americans in communities across the country, with coverage that works to insulate the GSEs and taxpayers from risk and loss in a downturn. National MI and the broader private MI industry have never been stronger or better positioned to provide support than we are today, and we're looking forward to continuing to work with the administration to advance their important housing goals. With that, let me turn it over to Adam.
Bradley Shuster: In the process, we help to make homeownership more affordable and achievable for millions of Americans in communities across the country, with coverage that works to insulate the GSEs and taxpayers from risk and loss in a downturn. National MI and the broader private MI industry have never been stronger or better positioned to provide support than we are today, and we're looking forward to continuing to work with the administration to advance their important housing goals. With that, let me turn it over to Adam.
Speaker #3: National MI and the broader private MI industry have never been stronger or better positioned to provide support than we are today. And we're looking forward to continuing to work with the administration to advance their important housing goals.
Speaker #3: With that, let me turn it over to Adam.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Brad, and good afternoon, everyone. National MI continues to outperform in the first quarter. Delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results.
Adam Pollitzer: Thank you, Bradley, and good afternoon, everyone. National MI continued to outperform in Q1, delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We generated $12.3 billion of NIW volume and ended the period with a record $222.3 billion of high quality, high performing primary insurance in force. Total revenue in Q1 was a record $183.5 million, and we delivered adjusted net income of $99.4 million or $1.28 per diluted share, and a 15.2% adjusted return on equity. Overall, we had a terrific quarter and are confident as we look ahead.
Adam Pollitzer: Thank you, Bradley, and good afternoon, everyone. National MI continued to outperform in Q1, delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We generated $12.3 billion of NIW volume and ended the period with a record $222.3 billion of high quality, high performing primary insurance in force. Total revenue in Q1 was a record $183.5 million, and we delivered adjusted net income of $99.4 million or $1.28 per diluted share, and a 15.2% adjusted return on equity. Overall, we had a terrific quarter and are confident as we look ahead.
Speaker #2: We generated $12.3 billion of NIW volume and ended the period with a record $222.3 billion of high-quality, high-performing primary insurance in force. Total revenue in the first quarter was a record $183.5 million, and we delivered adjusted net income of $99.4 million, or $1.28 per diluted share.
Speaker #2: And a 15.2% adjusted return on equity. Overall, we had a terrific quarter and are confident as we look ahead. The macro environment and housing market have remained resilient through an extended period of headline volatility.
Adam Pollitzer: The macro environment and housing market have remained resilient through an extended period of headline volatility. Our lender customers and their borrowers continue to rely on us in size for critical down payment support, and we see an attractive and sustained new business opportunity fueled by long-term secular trends. We have an exceptionally high quality insured portfolio covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and our credit performance continues to stand ahead. We're delivering consistent growth and embedded value gains in our insured book, and we continue to manage our expenses and capital position with discipline and efficiency, building a robust balance sheet that's supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Taken together, we see a clear opportunity for continued outperformance. Notwithstanding these strong positives, however, macro risks do remain, and we've maintained a proactive stance with respect to our pricing, risk selection, and re-insurance decisioning.
Adam Pollitzer: The macro environment and housing market have remained resilient through an extended period of headline volatility. Our lender customers and their borrowers continue to rely on us in size for critical down payment support, and we see an attractive and sustained new business opportunity fueled by long-term secular trends. We have an exceptionally high quality insured portfolio covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and our credit performance continues to stand ahead. We're delivering consistent growth and embedded value gains in our insured book, and we continue to manage our expenses and capital position with discipline and efficiency, building a robust balance sheet that's supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Taken together, we see a clear opportunity for continued outperformance. Notwithstanding these strong positives, however, macro risks do remain, and we've maintained a proactive stance with respect to our pricing, risk selection, and re-insurance decisioning.
Speaker #2: Our lender customers and their borrowers continue to rely on us in size for critical down payment support, and we see an attractive and sustained new business opportunity fueled by long-term secular trends.
Speaker #2: We have an exceptionally high-quality insured portfolio, covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and our credit performance continues to stand ahead. We're delivering consistent growth and embedded value gains in our insured book.
Speaker #2: And we continue to manage our expenses and capital position with discipline, and efficiency. Building a robust balance sheet that's supported by the significant earnings power of our platform.
Speaker #2: Taken together, we see a clear opportunity for continued outperformance. Notwithstanding these strong positives, however, macro risks do remain. And we've maintained a proactive stance with respect to our pricing, risk selection, and reinsurance decisioning.
Speaker #2: It's an approach that has served us well and continues to be the prudent and appropriate course. More broadly, we've been encouraged by the continued discipline that we see across the private MI market.
Adam Pollitzer: It's an approach that has served us well and continues to be the prudent and appropriate course. More broadly, we've been encouraged by the continued discipline that we see across the private MI market. Underwriting standards remain rigorous. The pricing environment remains balanced and constructive. Overall, we had a terrific quarter, delivering strong operating performance, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. Looking ahead, we're well-positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Aurora.
Adam Pollitzer: It's an approach that has served us well and continues to be the prudent and appropriate course. More broadly, we've been encouraged by the continued discipline that we see across the private MI market. Underwriting standards remain rigorous. The pricing environment remains balanced and constructive. Overall, we had a terrific quarter, delivering strong operating performance, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results. Looking ahead, we're well-positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Aurora.
Speaker #2: Underwriting standards remain rigorous, and the pricing environment remains balanced and constructive. Overall, we had a terrific quarter. Delivering strong operating performance, consistent growth in our insured portfolio, and strong financial results.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, we're well positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn it over to Aurora.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Adam. We again delivered strong financial results in the first quarter. Total revenue was a record $183.5 million, adjusted net income was $99.4 million, or $1.28 per diluted share.
Aurora Swithenbank: Thank you, Adam. We again delivered strong financial results in Q1. Total revenue was a record $183.5 million. Adjusted net income was $99.4 million, or $1.28 per diluted share, and adjusted return on equity was 15.2%. We generated $12.3 billion of NIW, and our primary insurance in force grew to $222.3 billion. Twelve-month persistency was 82.2% in Q1, compared to 83.4% in Q4. Net premiums earned in Q1 were a record $154.8 million, compared to $152.5 million in Q4 and $149.4 million in Q1 2025.
Aurora Swithenbank: Thank you, Adam. We again delivered strong financial results in Q1. Total revenue was a record $183.5 million. Adjusted net income was $99.4 million, or $1.28 per diluted share, and adjusted return on equity was 15.2%. We generated $12.3 billion of NIW, and our primary insurance in force grew to $222.3 billion. Twelve-month persistency was 82.2% in Q1, compared to 83.4% in Q4. Net premiums earned in Q1 were a record $154.8 million, compared to $152.5 million in Q4 and $149.4 million in Q1 2025.
Speaker #4: And adjusted return on equity was $15.2%. We generated $12.3 billion of NIW, and our primary insurance enforced grew to $222.3 billion. 12-month persistency was $82.2% in the first quarter compared to $83.4% in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #4: Net premiums earned in the first quarter were a record $154.8 million, compared to $152.5 million in the fourth quarter, and $149.4 million in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #4: Net yield for the quarter was 28 basis points, consistent with the fourth quarter. Core yield, which excludes the cost of our reinsurance coverage in the contribution from cancellation earnings, was 34 basis points.
Aurora Swithenbank: Net yield for the quarter was 28 basis points, consistent with Q4. Core yield, which excludes the cost of our reinsurance coverage and the contribution from cancellation earnings, was 34 basis points, also unchanged from Q4. Investment income was $28.6 million in Q1, compared to $27.5 million in Q4 and $23.7 million in Q1 of 2025. Total revenue was a record $183.5 million in Q1, up 2% compared to Q4 and 6% compared to Q1 of 2025. Underwriting and operating expenses were $30.6 million in Q1 compared to $31.1 million in Q4.
Aurora Swithenbank: Net yield for the quarter was 28 basis points, consistent with Q4. Core yield, which excludes the cost of our reinsurance coverage and the contribution from cancellation earnings, was 34 basis points, also unchanged from Q4. Investment income was $28.6 million in Q1, compared to $27.5 million in Q4 and $23.7 million in Q1 of 2025. Total revenue was a record $183.5 million in Q1, up 2% compared to Q4 and 6% compared to Q1 of 2025. Underwriting and operating expenses were $30.6 million in Q1 compared to $31.1 million in Q4.
Speaker #4: Also unchanged from the fourth quarter. Investment income was $28.6 million in the first quarter, compared to $27.5 million in the fourth quarter, and $23.7 million in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #4: Total revenue was a record $183.5 million, in the first quarter, up 2% compared to the fourth quarter, and 6% compared to the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #4: Underwriting and operating expenses were $30.6 million in the first quarter, compared to $31.1 million in the fourth quarter. Our expense ratio was 19.8% in the quarter, compared to 20.4% in the fourth quarter.
Aurora Swithenbank: Our expense ratio was 19.8% in the quarter compared to 20.4% in Q4. We have a uniquely high-quality insured portfolio and our credit performance continues to stand out. We had 8,044 defaults at 31 March, compared to 7,661 at 31 December, and our default rate was 1.17% at quarter end. Claims expense in Q1 was $20.7 million, compared to $21.2 million in Q4 and $4.5 million in Q1 2025. GAAP net income for Q1 was $99.3 million, and diluted earnings per share was $1.28. Adjusted net income was $99.4 million, and adjusted diluted EPS was also $1.28.
Aurora Swithenbank: Our expense ratio was 19.8% in the quarter compared to 20.4% in Q4. We have a uniquely high-quality insured portfolio and our credit performance continues to stand out. We had 8,044 defaults at 31 March, compared to 7,661 at 31 December, and our default rate was 1.17% at quarter end. Claims expense in Q1 was $20.7 million, compared to $21.2 million in Q4 and $4.5 million in Q1 2025. GAAP net income for Q1 was $99.3 million, and diluted earnings per share was $1.28. Adjusted net income was $99.4 million, and adjusted diluted EPS was also $1.28.
Speaker #4: We have a uniquely high-quality insured portfolio, and our credit performance continues to stand out. We had $8,044 defaults at March 31st, compared to $7,661 at December 31st.
Speaker #4: And our default rate was 1.17% at quarter end. Claims expense in the first quarter was $20.7 million, compared to $21.2 million in the fourth quarter, and $4.5 million in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #4: Gap net income for the first quarter was $99.3 million, and diluted earnings per share was $1.28. Adjusted net income was $99.4 million, and adjusted diluted EPS was also $1.28.
Speaker #4: Shareholders' equity as of March 31st was 2.6 billion, and book value per share was $34.57. Book value per share excluding the impact of net unrealized gains and losses in the investment portfolio was $35.46.
Aurora Swithenbank: Shareholders' equity as of 31 March was $2.6 billion, and book value per share was $34.57. Book value per share, excluding the impact of net unrealized gains and losses in the investment portfolio, was $35.46, up 3% compared to Q4 and 15% compared to Q1 of last year. In Q1, we repurchased $27.7 million of common stock, retiring 716,000 shares at an average price of $38.65. Since starting our buyback program in 2022, we've repurchased a total of $377 million of common stock, retiring 12.8 million shares at an average price of $29.43. We have $198 million of repurchase capacity remaining under our existing program.
Aurora Swithenbank: Shareholders' equity as of 31 March was $2.6 billion, and book value per share was $34.57. Book value per share, excluding the impact of net unrealized gains and losses in the investment portfolio, was $35.46, up 3% compared to Q4 and 15% compared to Q1 of last year. In Q1, we repurchased $27.7 million of common stock, retiring 716,000 shares at an average price of $38.65. Since starting our buyback program in 2022, we've repurchased a total of $377 million of common stock, retiring 12.8 million shares at an average price of $29.43. We have $198 million of repurchase capacity remaining under our existing program.
Speaker #4: Up 3% compared to the fourth quarter, and 15% compared to the first quarter of last year. In the first quarter, we purchased $27.7 million of common stock, retiring 716,000 shares at an average price of $38.65.
Speaker #4: Since starting our buyback program in 2022, we've repurchased a total of 377 million dollars of common stock. Retiring $12.8 million shares at an average price of $29.43.
Speaker #4: We have 198 million of repurchase capacity remaining under our existing program. At quarter end, we reported $3.6 billion of total available assets under PMIRS, and $2.2 billion of risk-based required assets.
Aurora Swithenbank: At quarter end, we reported $3.6 billion of total available assets under PMIERs and $2.2 billion of risk-based required assets. Excess available assets were $1.5 billion. Overall, we achieved robust financial results during the quarter, delivering consistent growth in our high-quality portfolio, record top-line performance, continued expense efficiency, and strong bottom-line profitability and returns. With that, let me turn it back to Adam.
Aurora Swithenbank: At quarter end, we reported $3.6 billion of total available assets under PMIERs and $2.2 billion of risk-based required assets. Excess available assets were $1.5 billion. Overall, we achieved robust financial results during the quarter, delivering consistent growth in our high-quality portfolio, record top-line performance, continued expense efficiency, and strong bottom-line profitability and returns. With that, let me turn it back to Adam.
Speaker #4: Excess available assets were $1.5 billion. Overall, we achieved robust financial results during the quarter, delivering consistent growth in our high-quality portfolio, record top-line performance, continued expense efficiency, and strong bottom-line profitability and returns.
Speaker #4: With that, let me turn it back to Adam.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Aurora. We had a terrific quarter. Once again delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and strong financial results.
Adam Pollitzer: Thank you, Aurora. We had a terrific quarter, once again delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We have a strong customer franchise, a talented team driving us forward every day, an exceptionally high-quality book covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and a robust balance sheet supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Taken together, we are well-positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. Thank you for joining us today. I'll now ask the operator to come back on so we can take your questions.
Adam Pollitzer: Thank you, Aurora. We had a terrific quarter, once again delivering significant new business production, consistent growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and strong financial results. We have a strong customer franchise, a talented team driving us forward every day, an exceptionally high-quality book covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions, and a robust balance sheet supported by the significant earnings power of our platform. Taken together, we are well-positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through the cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders. Thank you for joining us today. I'll now ask the operator to come back on so we can take your questions.
Speaker #2: We have a strong customer franchise, a talented team driving us forward every day, and exceptionally high-quality book, covered by a comprehensive set of risk transfer solutions and a robust balance sheet supported by the significant earnings power of our platform.
Speaker #2: Taken together, we are well positioned to continue to serve our customers and their borrowers, invest in our employees and their success, drive growth in our high-quality insured portfolio, and deliver through-the-cycle growth, returns, and value for our shareholders.
Speaker #2: Thank you for joining us today. I'll now ask the operator to come back on so we can take your questions.
Speaker #5: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.
Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question today comes from Bose George with KBW. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question today comes from Bose George with KBW. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #5: The first question today comes from Bose George, with KBW. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. Actually, first, I wanted to ask, what was the default per new notice this quarter versus last quarter that's a little hard to calculate sometimes just with the intra-quarter cures?
Bose George: Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. First, I wanted to ask, what was the default per new notice this quarter, you know, versus last quarter? That's a little hard to calculate sometimes just with the intra-quarter cures.
Bose George: Hey, everyone. Good afternoon. First, I wanted to ask, what was the default per new notice this quarter, you know, versus last quarter? That's a little hard to calculate sometimes just with the intra-quarter cures.
Speaker #4: Hi, Boze. Was the question specifically around the reserve per new notice?
Aurora Swithenbank: Sorry, Bose. Was the question specifically around the reserve per new notice?
Aurora Swithenbank: Sorry, Bose. Was the question specifically around the reserve per new notice?
Bose George: Yeah, the reserve per new notice, yeah, for this quarter versus last.
Speaker #6: Yeah, the reserve per new notice. For this quarter versus last.
Bose George: Yeah, the reserve per new notice, yeah, for this quarter versus last.
Speaker #4: It's $14,200, which is broadly consistent with the $14,500 that we established last quarter.
Aurora Swithenbank: It's 14,200, which is broadly consistent with the 14,500 that we established last quarter.
Aurora Swithenbank: It's 14,200, which is broadly consistent with the 14,500 that we established last quarter.
Speaker #6: Okay. Great. And in terms of the delinquency rate in the first quarter, over the fourth quarter, was that in line with expectations? Given the seasonality, it increased, but obviously, it was a very modest increase.
Bose George: Okay, great. In terms of the delinquency rate in Q1, you know, over Q4, was that in line with expectations as given the seasonality increase, but obviously it was a very modest increase?
Bose George: Okay, great. In terms of the delinquency rate in Q1, you know, over Q4, was that in line with expectations as given the seasonality increase, but obviously it was a very modest increase?
Speaker #2: Yeah, Boze. I think that's right. Look, broadly speaking, I'd say we're really encouraged by the credit performance of our portfolio, including the trends in our default population.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah, Bose, I think that's right. Look, broadly speaking, I'd say we're really encouraged by the credit performance of our portfolio, including the trends in our default population. We've talked about it. We're continuing to see a natural normalization in our experience tied to just the growth and seasoning of our book. That's nothing new. Seasonality, you noted, there's always going to be a plus/minus around that seasonality. Just, one, depending on how things trended in the preceding quarter because it's a period-to-period view, what's happening in the macro. There's other factors also that can play into it, particularly in Q1, the timing of when borrowers receive their tax refunds, for example. But as you noted, when we look at it, we have an incredibly high-quality portfolio.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah, Bose, I think that's right. Look, broadly speaking, I'd say we're really encouraged by the credit performance of our portfolio, including the trends in our default population. We've talked about it. We're continuing to see a natural normalization in our experience tied to just the growth and seasoning of our book. That's nothing new. Seasonality, you noted, there's always going to be a plus/minus around that seasonality. Just, one, depending on how things trended in the preceding quarter because it's a period-to-period view, what's happening in the macro. There's other factors also that can play into it, particularly in Q1, the timing of when borrowers receive their tax refunds, for example. But as you noted, when we look at it, we have an incredibly high-quality portfolio.
Speaker #2: We've talked about it. We're continuing to see a natural normalization in our experience tied to just the growth and seasoning of our book that's nothing new.
Speaker #2: And then seasonality, you noted, there's always going to be a plus-minus around that seasonality. Just one, depending on how things trended in the preceding quarter, because it's a period-to-period view, what's happening in the macro, and there's other factors also that can play into it, particularly in the first quarter, the timing of when borrowers receive their tax refunds, for example.
Speaker #2: But as you noted, when we look at it, we have an incredibly high-quality portfolio; our existing borrowers are broadly well situated, and the resiliency that we continue to see in the macro environment and housing market continues to set a favorable backdrop.
Adam Pollitzer: Our existing borrowers are broadly well-situated, and the resiliency that we continue to see in the macro environment and housing market, continues to set a favorable backdrop. When all of that comes through, we were really encouraged by the performance. Nothing stood out to us, that we'd highlight, you know, as a point of concern.
Adam Pollitzer: Our existing borrowers are broadly well-situated, and the resiliency that we continue to see in the macro environment and housing market, continues to set a favorable backdrop. When all of that comes through, we were really encouraged by the performance. Nothing stood out to us, that we'd highlight, you know, as a point of concern.
Speaker #2: And when all of that comes through, performance, we were really encouraged by the performance, nothing stood out to us that we'd highlight as a point of concern.
Speaker #6: Okay. Great. Actually, just one more on credit. The loss severity number trended up a little bit as well. Anything to call out there, or is it just a small cohort of loans there?
Bose George: Okay, great. Actually, just one more on credit. The loss severity number trended up a little bit as well. Anything to call out there, or is it just a small cohort of loans there?
Bose George: Okay, great. Actually, just one more on credit. The loss severity number trended up a little bit as well. Anything to call out there, or is it just a small cohort of loans there?
Speaker #4: Yeah. I think it is that. It's a law of small numbers. And also, it reflects what Adam was just talking about of the growth of the seasoning of our book.
Aurora Swithenbank: Yeah, I think it's, it is that. It's the law of small numbers. And also it reflects what Adam was just talking about of the growth of the seasoning of our book. More and more of our ultimate claims, both our NODs and those progressing through to claims are from those post-COVID vintages, the 2022s and later, which inherently have less embedded equity in them.
Aurora Swithenbank: Yeah, I think it's, it is that. It's the law of small numbers. And also it reflects what Adam was just talking about of the growth of the seasoning of our book. More and more of our ultimate claims, both our NODs and those progressing through to claims are from those post-COVID vintages, the 2022s and later, which inherently have less embedded equity in them.
Speaker #4: More and more of our ultimate claims, both our NODs and those progressing through to claims, are from those post-COVID vintages, the '22s and later, which inherently have less embedded equity in them.
Speaker #2: Yeah. But we only paid $170 claims in Q1, so it's still a very small pool to draw from.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. We only paid 170 claims in Q1, so it's still a very small pool to draw from.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. We only paid 170 claims in Q1, so it's still a very small pool to draw from.
Speaker #6: Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. Okay. Great. Thank you.
Bose George: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, great. Thank you.
Bose George: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, great. Thank you.
Speaker #5: The next question comes from Terry Ma with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Terry Ma with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Terry Ma with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hey. Thank you. Good evening. Maybe just to follow up on credit, anything kind of notable to kind of call out either within the vintages or regionally that you're kind of seeing?
Terry Ma: Hey, thank you. Good evening. Maybe just to follow up on credit, anything kind of notable to kind of call out either within the vintages or regionally that you're kind of seeing? Then, just overall, how are you thinking about the macro environment on just the consumer with higher energy prices?
Terry Ma: Hey, thank you. Good evening. Maybe just to follow up on credit, anything kind of notable to kind of call out either within the vintages or regionally that you're kind of seeing? Then, just overall, how are you thinking about the macro environment on just the consumer with higher energy prices?
Speaker #7: And then just overall, how are you thinking about the macro environment just to consumer with higher energy prices?
Speaker #2: Yeah. Maybe I'll take them in reverse order because I think probably useful to talk about the big picture and then to talk about anything that stood out in the quarter.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. Maybe I'll take them in reverse order because I think probably useful to talk about the big picture and then to talk about anything that stood out in the quarter. I'd say we've been, we've used this phrase encouraged, right, across the board, but we've really been encouraged by the broad resiliency that we've seen in the housing market and the economy for a while now. I think, you know, headline unemployment is still low, consumers are still spending, businesses are continuing to make significant investments. Equities market continues to set new highs. I think, you know, we've got a little bit of stimulus coming in just in the form of larger tax refunds under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Real risks do remain, right?
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. Maybe I'll take them in reverse order because I think probably useful to talk about the big picture and then to talk about anything that stood out in the quarter. I'd say we've been, we've used this phrase encouraged, right, across the board, but we've really been encouraged by the broad resiliency that we've seen in the housing market and the economy for a while now. I think, you know, headline unemployment is still low, consumers are still spending, businesses are continuing to make significant investments. Equities market continues to set new highs. I think, you know, we've got a little bit of stimulus coming in just in the form of larger tax refunds under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Real risks do remain, right?
Speaker #2: I'd say we've been we'll use this phrase, encouraged, right, across the board, but we've really been encouraged by the broad resiliency that we've seen in the housing market and the economy for a while now.
Speaker #2: I think headline unemployment is still low. Consumers are still spending. Businesses are continuing to make significant investments. Equity market continues to set new highs.
Speaker #2: And I think we've got a little bit of stimulus coming in just in the form of larger tax refunds under the one big beautiful bill act.
Speaker #2: But real risks do remain, right? The labor market continues to show some signs of strain. With the slowdown in hiring activity, confidence is certainly down on the consumer side.
Adam Pollitzer: The labor market continues to show some signs of strain with a slowdown in hiring activity. Confidence is certainly down on the consumer side. Sort of getting to what you've touched on, I think the conflict in the Middle East has certainly added a new dimension to things. I think the approach that we've generally been taken all along is to plan for the possibility that stress could emerge, and if it doesn't, we'll be happy to have planned and protected nonetheless. I think we're in the point now of being happy, right? Being happy to have built our business with an eye towards discipline and long-term risk responsibility, to make sure that we can continue to perform through all cycles. Right now, when we look at the backdrop, it's still a broadly encouraging one.
Adam Pollitzer: The labor market continues to show some signs of strain with a slowdown in hiring activity. Confidence is certainly down on the consumer side. Sort of getting to what you've touched on, I think the conflict in the Middle East has certainly added a new dimension to things. I think the approach that we've generally been taken all along is to plan for the possibility that stress could emerge, and if it doesn't, we'll be happy to have planned and protected nonetheless. I think we're in the point now of being happy, right? Being happy to have built our business with an eye towards discipline and long-term risk responsibility, to make sure that we can continue to perform through all cycles. Right now, when we look at the backdrop, it's still a broadly encouraging one.
Speaker #2: And sort of getting to what you've touched on, I think the conflict in the Middle East has certainly added a new dimension to things.
Speaker #2: But I think the approach that we've generally been taking all along is to plan for the possibility that stress could emerge and if it doesn't, we'll be happy to have planned and protected nonetheless.
Speaker #2: And I think we're in the point now of being happy, right? Being happy to have built our business with an eye towards discipline and long-term risk responsibility.
Speaker #2: To make sure that we can continue to perform through all cycles but right now, when we look at the backdrop, it's still a broadly encouraging one.
Speaker #2: And in terms of the impact specifically from higher gas prices, I mentioned that the conflict in Iran has added a new dimension. But in terms of gas prices themselves, we really don't expect to see a notable impact.
Adam Pollitzer: In terms of the impact specifically from higher gas prices, I mentioned that the conflict in Iran has added a new dimension. In terms of gas prices themselves, we really don't expect to see a notable impact. If you parse through all of the data, although oil prices are up dramatically and there is real impact for certain households, they're still below actually where they were in 2022 at the onset of the war in Ukraine. On an inflation-adjusted basis, they're still below where they were in the late 2000s, early 2010s. Gas today accounts for roughly 3% of household expenditures.
Adam Pollitzer: In terms of the impact specifically from higher gas prices, I mentioned that the conflict in Iran has added a new dimension. In terms of gas prices themselves, we really don't expect to see a notable impact. If you parse through all of the data, although oil prices are up dramatically and there is real impact for certain households, they're still below actually where they were in 2022 at the onset of the war in Ukraine. On an inflation-adjusted basis, they're still below where they were in the late 2000s, early 2010s. Gas today accounts for roughly 3% of household expenditures.
Speaker #2: If you parse through all of the data, although oil prices are up dramatically and there is real impact for certain households, there's still below actually where they were in 2022 at the onset of the war in Ukraine.
Speaker #2: And on an inflation-adjusted basis, they're still below where they were in the late 2000s, early 2010s. Gas today accounts for roughly 3% of household expenditures.
Speaker #2: And so, when you put all of that together, while there will certainly be pockets of the market that are impacted, and it will have an impact, perhaps, on broad consumer behavior, we don't really expect to see anything of consequence come through in our default activity or claims experience.
Adam Pollitzer: When you put all of that together, while there will certainly be pockets of the market that are impacted, and it will have an impact perhaps on broad consumer behavior, we don't really expect to see anything of consequence come through in our default activity or claims experience, again, in isolation related to gas prices. As to the second question, you know, as to whether or not there's anything that we would call out in, you know, in the default population, nothing new at all, I would say, in terms of borrower risk or geographic concentrations that emerged in Q1 compared to, you know, where they've been. All the same trends that we've seen for a while, which is a little more strain in higher risk cohorts, right?
Adam Pollitzer: When you put all of that together, while there will certainly be pockets of the market that are impacted, and it will have an impact perhaps on broad consumer behavior, we don't really expect to see anything of consequence come through in our default activity or claims experience, again, in isolation related to gas prices. As to the second question, you know, as to whether or not there's anything that we would call out in, you know, in the default population, nothing new at all, I would say, in terms of borrower risk or geographic concentrations that emerged in Q1 compared to, you know, where they've been. All the same trends that we've seen for a while, which is a little more strain in higher risk cohorts, right?
Speaker #2: Again, in isolation related to gas prices. As to the second question, as to whether or not there's anything that we would call out in the default population, nothing new at all, I would say, in terms of borrower risk or geographic concentrations that emerged in Q1 compared to where they've been.
Speaker #2: All the same trends that we've seen for a while, which is a little more strain in higher-risk cohorts, right? More default concentration in the geographies that we've had in focus for a while now, like Florida and Texas.
Adam Pollitzer: More default concentration in the geographies that we've had in focus for a while now, like Florida and Texas. Just this natural movement that Aurora mentioned in terms of the vintage composition, right? With an incremental portion of our defaults now tracing to 2022, 2023, 2024. None of this is new. It's just a continuation of the themes that we've been talking about and seeing for a while now.
Adam Pollitzer: More default concentration in the geographies that we've had in focus for a while now, like Florida and Texas. Just this natural movement that Aurora mentioned in terms of the vintage composition, right? With an incremental portion of our defaults now tracing to 2022, 2023, 2024. None of this is new. It's just a continuation of the themes that we've been talking about and seeing for a while now.
Speaker #2: And just this natural movement that Aurora mentioned in terms of the vintage composition, right? With an incremental portion of our defaults now tracing to '22, '23, '24.
Speaker #2: But none of this is new. It's just a continuation of the themes that we've been talking about and seeing for a while now.
Speaker #7: Got it. That's super helpful. I guess maybe taking a step back, big picture, I think it's a well-known and also well-messaged that the MI industry's experiencing measured credit normalization.
Terry Ma: Got it. That's super helpful. I guess, like maybe taking a step back, big picture, I think it's, you know, well-known and also well-messaged that the MI industry is experiencing, you know, measured credit normalization. Is there anything in this quarter that may suggest that rate of normalization may be accelerating? At least from the outside looking in, from what we could see, it looks like new notices are accelerating on a year-over-year basis. The cure rate is lower also relative to last year. Like anything that may suggest that the rate of credit normalization may be, you know, accelerating or should it just kind of stay stable? Like any color would be helpful. Thank you.
Terry Ma: Got it. That's super helpful. I guess, like maybe taking a step back, big picture, I think it's, you know, well-known and also well-messaged that the MI industry is experiencing, you know, measured credit normalization. Is there anything in this quarter that may suggest that rate of normalization may be accelerating? At least from the outside looking in, from what we could see, it looks like new notices are accelerating on a year-over-year basis. The cure rate is lower also relative to last year. Like anything that may suggest that the rate of credit normalization may be, you know, accelerating or should it just kind of stay stable? Like any color would be helpful. Thank you.
Speaker #7: Is there anything in this quarter that may suggest that rate of normalization may be accelerating? Because at least from the outside looking in, from what we could see, it looks like new notices are accelerating on a year-over-year basis.
Speaker #7: The CURE rate is lower also relative to last year. So anything that may suggest that the rate of credit normalization may be accelerating or should it just kind of stay stable?
Speaker #7: Any color would be helpful. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Honestly, so much depends on what happens in the world around us. But there's nothing that stood out this quarter that makes us think we will get to normal quicker than where we were otherwise pacing.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. Obviously, so much depends on what happens in the world around us, but there's nothing that stood out this quarter that makes us think we will get to normal quicker than where we were otherwise pacing. I do think the quarter-on-quarter trend is obviously instructive, and it is valuable to look at. If you broaden the aperture a bit, though, and look at, say, how NOD count has trended over the last six months, just not the last quarter, and you compare the experience that we've had, say from the end of Q3 2025 to Q1 2026, it actually comps favorably to the experience that we had in the end of Q3 2024 to Q1 2025. Again, I think it's there's nothing that really stands out. Borrowers are broadly well situated. The environment around us is still quite a favorable one.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. Obviously, so much depends on what happens in the world around us, but there's nothing that stood out this quarter that makes us think we will get to normal quicker than where we were otherwise pacing. I do think the quarter-on-quarter trend is obviously instructive, and it is valuable to look at. If you broaden the aperture a bit, though, and look at, say, how NOD count has trended over the last six months, just not the last quarter, and you compare the experience that we've had, say from the end of Q3 2025 to Q1 2026, it actually comps favorably to the experience that we had in the end of Q3 2024 to Q1 2025. Again, I think it's there's nothing that really stands out. Borrowers are broadly well situated. The environment around us is still quite a favorable one.
Speaker #2: I do think the quarter-on-quarter trend is obviously instructive and it's valuable to look at. If you broaden the aperture a bit, though, and look at, say, how NOD count has trended over the last six months, just not the last quarter, and you compare the experience that we've had, say, from the end of Q3 '25 to Q1 '26, it actually comps favorably to the experience that we had in the end of the third quarter of '24 to the first quarter of '25.
Speaker #2: So again, I think there's nothing that really stands out. Borrowers are broadly well-situated. The environment around us is still quite a favorable one. And movements, quarter to quarter, nothing stood out in a way that we'd call attention to.
Adam Pollitzer: You know, movements quarter to quarter, nothing stood out in a way that we call attention to.
Adam Pollitzer: You know, movements quarter to quarter, nothing stood out in a way that we call attention to.
Speaker #8: And just on the CURE rate, it was down at 28%. But it was 31% in the first quarter of last year. So it was only very nominally down year over year.
Aurora Swithenbank: Just on the cure rate, it was down at 28%, but it was 31% in Q1 of last year, so it was only very nominally down year over year.
Aurora Swithenbank: Just on the cure rate, it was down at 28%, but it was 31% in Q1 of last year, so it was only very nominally down year over year.
Speaker #7: Got it. Thank you.
Terry Ma: Got it. Thank you.
Terry Ma: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #5: The next question comes from Rick Shane. Would JPMorgan please go ahead?
Operator: The next question comes from Richard Shane with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Richard Shane with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I apologize. I've got a few things going on here. But look, the first quarter, and we talked about this a lot with the consumer finance names, first quarter was sort of a tale of two quarters.
Richard Shane: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I apologize, I've got a few things going on here. Look, you know, Q1, and we talked about this a lot with the consumer finance names, Q1 was sort of a tale of two quarters, and I would describe we had January and February pre-Iran. We're now March and April. We have 2 months post. I am curious how that sort of impacted the contours of your quarter in terms of volume, also curious if you saw anything else that we should be aware of.
Richard Shane: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I apologize, I've got a few things going on here. Look, you know, Q1, and we talked about this a lot with the consumer finance names, Q1 was sort of a tale of two quarters, and I would describe we had January and February pre-Iran. We're now March and April. We have 2 months post. I am curious how that sort of impacted the contours of your quarter in terms of volume, also curious if you saw anything else that we should be aware of.
Speaker #9: And I would describe we had January and February pre-Iran. We're now March and April. We have two months post. I am curious how that sort of impacted the contours of your quarter in terms of volume and also curious if you saw anything else that we should be aware of.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Rick, it's a good question. I think confidence, obviously, plays an important role in the consumer decision to purchase a home, right? For most borrowers, it's the single largest item that they'll ever asset that they'll ever own.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah, you know, Rick, it's a good question. I think, confidence obviously plays an important role in the consumer decision to purchase a home, right? For most borrowers, it's the single largest, you know, asset that they'll ever own. Not only do you need to be at a point in life where it makes sense in terms of family dynamics and want to put down roots in a community and know where your kids are going to go to school and all these life events. Not only does the math have to pencil out from an affordability and a value standpoint, you have to feel confident to make such a significant leap. That does play a role in it. Even more important is the arc of interest rates.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah, you know, Rick, it's a good question. I think, confidence obviously plays an important role in the consumer decision to purchase a home, right? For most borrowers, it's the single largest, you know, asset that they'll ever own. Not only do you need to be at a point in life where it makes sense in terms of family dynamics and want to put down roots in a community and know where your kids are going to go to school and all these life events. Not only does the math have to pencil out from an affordability and a value standpoint, you have to feel confident to make such a significant leap. That does play a role in it. Even more important is the arc of interest rates.
Speaker #2: And not only do you need to be at a point in life where it makes sense in terms of family dynamics, and want to put down roots in a community, and know where your kids are going to go to school, and all these life events, and not only does the math have to pencil out from an affordability and a value standpoint, but you have to feel confident to make such a significant leap.
Speaker #2: So that does play a role in it. But even more important is the arc of interest rates. And so it happens to be that the period you’ve talked about, January and February, we saw continued rally in rates.
Adam Pollitzer: It happens to be that the period you talked about January and February, we saw a continued rally in rates, and we touched towards the end of February, a multi-year low with a 5.99% rate. Even though it's just a touch below 6%, I think the psychological value of seeing a rate with a five handle on it is really powerful. Since then, rates have sold off. I think today we closed something close to 6.5% on the 30-year fixed rate mortgage. We're seeing some of that come through. Where that hits most specifically is on the pace of refinancing activity. The Q1 was a strong quarter for purchase volume.
Adam Pollitzer: It happens to be that the period you talked about January and February, we saw a continued rally in rates, and we touched towards the end of February, a multi-year low with a 5.99% rate. Even though it's just a touch below 6%, I think the psychological value of seeing a rate with a five handle on it is really powerful. Since then, rates have sold off. I think today we closed something close to 6.5% on the 30-year fixed rate mortgage. We're seeing some of that come through. Where that hits most specifically is on the pace of refinancing activity. The Q1 was a strong quarter for purchase volume.
Speaker #2: And we touched towards the end of February, a multi-year low with a 5.99% rate. And even though it's just a touch below 6%, I think the psychological value of seeing a rate with a 5 handle on it is really powerful.
Speaker #2: And since then, rates have sold off. And I think today, we closed something close to 6.5% on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage. And so we're seeing some of that come through where that hits most specifically is on the pace of refinancing activities.
Speaker #2: So the first quarter was a strong quarter for purchase volume. It was an even stronger quarter from a refinancing volume standpoint. And we've seen some of that begin to slow just as rates have moved somewhat higher, right?
Adam Pollitzer: It was an even stronger quarter from a refinancing volume standpoint, and we've seen some of that begin to slow just as rates have moved, you know, somewhat higher, right? 50 basis points is a pretty significant move. I think that's going to be a much more significant driver than the psychology and confidence that comes around what's happening in the Middle East.
Adam Pollitzer: It was an even stronger quarter from a refinancing volume standpoint, and we've seen some of that begin to slow just as rates have moved, you know, somewhat higher, right? 50 basis points is a pretty significant move. I think that's going to be a much more significant driver than the psychology and confidence that comes around what's happening in the Middle East.
Speaker #2: Fifty basis points is a pretty significant move. I think that's going to be a much more significant driver than the psychology and confidence that comes around what's happening in the Middle East.
Speaker #9: Got it. Okay. Adam, thank you very much.
Richard Shane: Got it. Okay. Adam, thank you very much.
Richard Shane: Got it. Okay. Adam, thank you very much.
Speaker #5: The next question comes from Mark Hughes with Truist. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Mark Hughes with Truist. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Mark Hughes with Truist. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon. I wonder if you could talk about the competition, the competitive dynamic in the quarter. Your NIW was quite strong year over year.
Mark Hughes: Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon. I wonder if you could talk about the competition, the competitive dynamic in the quarter. Your NIW was quite strong year over year. I think you just touched on the cancellations, which I assume was a little more refi activity in the quarter. Anything you would say about the competition, what that implies for the balance of the year?
Mark Hughes: Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon. I wonder if you could talk about the competition, the competitive dynamic in the quarter. Your NIW was quite strong year over year. I think you just touched on the cancellations, which I assume was a little more refi activity in the quarter. Anything you would say about the competition, what that implies for the balance of the year?
Speaker #7: I think you just touched on the cancellations, which I assume was a little more refi activity in the quarter. But anything you would say about the competition, what that implies for the balance of the year?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I guess what I mentioned is that we see a broadly balanced and constructive market environment around us, both in terms of how lenders are engaging, where credit standards are set, but also just the general tone of the competitive environment.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. I guess what I mentioned that we see a broadly balanced and constructive market environment around us, both in terms of how lenders are engaging, where credit standards are set, but also just the general tone of the competitive environment. In terms of our performance, look, we're delighted with our results for the quarter from an NIW volume standpoint, right? Up 33% year on year is a terrific result. I point to two drivers. One is just, I call it sort of foundational on-the-ground execution, right? Doing what we do every day, adding more customers, providing value-added input to existing accounts so we can win more of their business. Doing all of the things we've always done around proactively managing our mix of business and flow by borrower, geography, product risk attributes.
Adam Pollitzer: Yeah. I guess what I mentioned that we see a broadly balanced and constructive market environment around us, both in terms of how lenders are engaging, where credit standards are set, but also just the general tone of the competitive environment. In terms of our performance, look, we're delighted with our results for the quarter from an NIW volume standpoint, right? Up 33% year on year is a terrific result. I point to two drivers. One is just, I call it sort of foundational on-the-ground execution, right? Doing what we do every day, adding more customers, providing value-added input to existing accounts so we can win more of their business. Doing all of the things we've always done around proactively managing our mix of business and flow by borrower, geography, product risk attributes.
Speaker #2: And in terms of our performance, look, we're delighted with our results for the quarter from an NIW volume standpoint, right? Up 33% year on year, is a terrific result.
Speaker #2: And I point to two drivers. One is just, I'd call it, sort of foundational on-the-ground execution, right? Doing what we do every day—adding more customers, providing value-added input to existing accounts so we can win more of their business, doing all of the things we've always done around proactively managing our mix of business and flow by borrower, geography, product, risk attributes—just the day-to-day that we've always done.
Adam Pollitzer: Just the day-to-day that we've always done. The second is the market, right? I think we've been saying for some time now that despite elevated rates, the MI market presents us with a compelling and durable opportunity. In Q1, the sort of first two-thirds, right, January and February, declining rates really added to that and helped to spur some incremental activity. Both on the purchase side, but also on the refi side. All in, I think because of what we're achieving with our customer franchising in the market and then strength in the market around us, it was a really constructive market. As we look out across the year, we don't provide guidance, but I'll trace back to some comments that I made on our Q4 call.
Adam Pollitzer: Just the day-to-day that we've always done. The second is the market, right? I think we've been saying for some time now that despite elevated rates, the MI market presents us with a compelling and durable opportunity. In Q1, the sort of first two-thirds, right, January and February, declining rates really added to that and helped to spur some incremental activity. Both on the purchase side, but also on the refi side. All in, I think because of what we're achieving with our customer franchising in the market and then strength in the market around us, it was a really constructive market. As we look out across the year, we don't provide guidance, but I'll trace back to some comments that I made on our Q4 call.
Speaker #2: But the second is the market, right? I think we've been saying for some time now that despite elevated rates, the MI market presents us with a compelling and durable opportunity.
Speaker #2: And in Q1, the sort of first two-thirds, right? January and February, declining rates really added to that and helped to spur some incremental activity.
Speaker #2: Both on the production side—sorry, on the purchase side—but also on the refi side. So, all in, I think because of what we're achieving with our customer franchising in the market, and then strength in the market around us, it was a really constructive market.
Speaker #2: As we look out across the year, we don't provide guidance, but I'll trace back to some comments that I made on our Q4 call.
Speaker #2: Coming into the year, we generally expected that 2026 volume would look similar to how 2025 volume trended from an overall market standpoint, right? A strong year where long-term secular drivers of demand and activity continue to come through.
Adam Pollitzer: Coming into the year, we generally expected that 2026 volume would look similar to how 2025 volume trended from an overall market standpoint. A strong year where long-term secular drivers of demand and activity continue to come through, where resiliency in house prices continue to support larger loan sizes, and where affordability challenges continue to drive a real need for private MI coverage and the down payment support that we provide. That's absolutely been the case through the Q1. Obviously, Q1 was stronger than Q1 last year because we had the tailwind of rates.
Adam Pollitzer: Coming into the year, we generally expected that 2026 volume would look similar to how 2025 volume trended from an overall market standpoint. A strong year where long-term secular drivers of demand and activity continue to come through, where resiliency in house prices continue to support larger loan sizes, and where affordability challenges continue to drive a real need for private MI coverage and the down payment support that we provide. That's absolutely been the case through the Q1. Obviously, Q1 was stronger than Q1 last year because we had the tailwind of rates.
Speaker #2: We're seeing resiliency, and house prices continue to support larger loan sizes. And where affordability challenges continue, there's a real need for private MI coverage and the down payment support that we provide.
Speaker #2: And that's absolutely been the case through the first quarter. Obviously, the first quarter was stronger than Q1 last year, because we had the tailwind of rates.
Speaker #2: Now that they've sold off, as we look ahead through the remainder of the year, I think we're still calibrating off of 2025 performance which, again, was a highly constructive environment and we'd be delighted to see that type of experience this year.
Adam Pollitzer: Now that they've sold off, as we look ahead through the remainder of the year, I'd say we're still calibrating off of 2025 performance, which again, was a highly constructive environment, and we'd be delighted to see, you know, that type of experience this year.
Adam Pollitzer: Now that they've sold off, as we look ahead through the remainder of the year, I'd say we're still calibrating off of 2025 performance, which again, was a highly constructive environment, and we'd be delighted to see, you know, that type of experience this year.
Speaker #7: Understood. And then on the expenses, just an absolute terms, you've been last three quarters kind of down a little bit, up a little bit.
Mark Hughes: Understood. On the expenses, just in absolute terms, you've been last 3 quarters kind of down a little bit, up a little bit year-over-year on expenses, and that's contributed to nice leverage. Does that pattern continue in subsequent quarters, on an absolute basis? Maybe, just a modest progression?
Mark Hughes: Understood. On the expenses, just in absolute terms, you've been last 3 quarters kind of down a little bit, up a little bit year-over-year on expenses, and that's contributed to nice leverage. Does that pattern continue in subsequent quarters, on an absolute basis? Maybe, just a modest progression?
Speaker #7: Year over year on expenses, and that's contributed to nice leverage. Does that pattern continue in subsequent quarters? On an absolute basis, maybe just a modest progression?
Speaker #3: Yeah. I think in terms of the absolute dollars of expenditure, we've said this before, we will expect increases over time, but we try to be very disciplined about minimizing those increases.
Aurora Swithenbank: I think in terms of absolute dollars of expenditure, we've said this before, we will expect increases over time, we try to be very disciplined about minimizing those increases. Each individual quarter has its own quirks and certain things that manifest in those quarters. I think the best comparison is year-over-year. In Q1 of last year, we had $30.2 million of expense. This year, it's $30.6 million of expense. Again, as you indicated, a modest increase. I think we need to balance against that. We have the smallest expense base in absolute dollar terms in the industry, and we want to make sure we're continuing to invest in our people, our systems, our data and analytics, and risk management, and making sure that we're making those investments for future value.
Aurora Swithenbank: I think in terms of absolute dollars of expenditure, we've said this before, we will expect increases over time, we try to be very disciplined about minimizing those increases. Each individual quarter has its own quirks and certain things that manifest in those quarters. I think the best comparison is year-over-year. In Q1 of last year, we had $30.2 million of expense. This year, it's $30.6 million of expense. Again, as you indicated, a modest increase. I think we need to balance against that. We have the smallest expense base in absolute dollar terms in the industry, and we want to make sure we're continuing to invest in our people, our systems, our data and analytics, and risk management, and making sure that we're making those investments for future value.
Speaker #3: So each individual quarter has its own quirks and certain things that manifest in those quarters. So I think the best comparison is year over year.
Speaker #3: And in the first quarter of last year, we had 30.2 million of expense. This year, it's 30.6 million of expense. So again, as you indicated, a modest increase but I think we need to balance against that.
Speaker #3: We have the smallest expense base in absolute dollar terms in the industry. And we want to make sure we're continuing to invest in our people, our systems, our data and analytics, and risk management, and making sure that we're making those investments for future value.
Speaker #3: So I think we're going to continue to remain disciplined but you should expect over time increases to that absolute dollar expenditure.
Aurora Swithenbank: I think we're gonna continue to remain disciplined, but you should expect over time, increases to that absolute dollar expenditure.
Aurora Swithenbank: I think we're gonna continue to remain disciplined, but you should expect over time, increases to that absolute dollar expenditure.
Speaker #7: Thank you very much.
Mark Hughes: Thank you very much.
Mark Hughes: Thank you very much.
Speaker #5: Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Mahir Bhatia with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Mihir Bhatia with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question, Adam. I wanted to go back to the credit discussion a little bit. Maybe just on credit losses—in-period losses in particular—I think they were up pretty materially, like $13 million year over year, versus new notices being up 300.
Mihir Bhatia: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question, Adam Pollitzer and Cara. Wanted to go back to the credit discussion a little bit. Maybe just on credit losses, in-period losses in particular. I think they were up pretty materially, like $13 million year-over-year versus new notices up being 300. It sounded like you didn't change any assumptions. Maybe just talk a little bit about that. Is that just like the extra $13 million was just from the 300 new notices?
Mihir Bhatia: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question, Adam Pollitzer and Cara. Wanted to go back to the credit discussion a little bit. Maybe just on credit losses, in-period losses in particular. I think they were up pretty materially, like $13 million year-over-year versus new notices up being 300. It sounded like you didn't change any assumptions. Maybe just talk a little bit about that. Is that just like the extra $13 million was just from the 300 new notices?
Speaker #9: It sounded like you didn't change any assumptions. Maybe just talk a little bit about that. Is that just the extra 13 million was just from the 300 new notices?
Speaker #2: No. It's going to be a combination of things. So one, the environment is never static. And so when we're going through, we're not applying a blanket homogeneous assumption around frequency or severity.
Adam Pollitzer: No, it's gonna be a combination of things. One, the environment is never static, when we're going through, we're not applying a blanket homogeneous assumption around frequency or severity. We're actually going out and modeling each individual default and where those defaults sit at the time that we're closing the books. An estimation of the mark-to-market LTV, for example, of that loan. We've got just there's a different set of actual experiences that go into how we're marking each of those defaults at a given point in time. The default composition themselves, we've talked about this idea of normalizing. If you rewind a year, there would've been fewer defaults in the overall population a year ago that traced to the post-COVID population, the 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, for example.
Adam Pollitzer: No, it's gonna be a combination of things. One, the environment is never static, when we're going through, we're not applying a blanket homogeneous assumption around frequency or severity. We're actually going out and modeling each individual default and where those defaults sit at the time that we're closing the books. An estimation of the mark-to-market LTV, for example, of that loan. We've got just there's a different set of actual experiences that go into how we're marking each of those defaults at a given point in time. The default composition themselves, we've talked about this idea of normalizing. If you rewind a year, there would've been fewer defaults in the overall population a year ago that traced to the post-COVID population, the 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, for example.
Speaker #2: We're actually going out and modeling each individual default. And where those defaults sit at the time that we're closing the book. So an estimation of the mark-to-market LTV, for example, of that loan.
Speaker #2: So we've got just there's a different set of actual experiences that go into how we're marking each of those defaults at a given point in time.
Speaker #2: The default composition themselves, we've talked about this idea of normalizing so if you rewind a year, there would have been fewer defaults in the overall population a year ago that trace to the post-COVID population the '22, '23, '24, '25, for example.
Speaker #2: Nothing in the from the 2025 year. And now that more of those are coming through, they're broadly similar to the loans that have experienced default in prior periods with the one big differential being the mark-to-market LTV position is higher because those are loans that while they were originated in a constructive environment, didn't get the benefit of the record run of house price appreciation through the pandemic.
Adam Pollitzer: Nothing from the 2025 year. Now that more of those are coming through, they're broadly similar to the loans that have experienced default in prior periods, with the one big differential being the mark-to-market LTV position is higher because those are loans that while they were originated in a constructive environment, didn't get the benefit of the record run of house price appreciation through the pandemic. That has a big impact on our expectation for ultimate claim outcomes from initial default. That will factor through. The other one is that over time, as we're seeing house prices continue to move higher, loan sizes themselves move higher. That the average risk exposure, the average risk in force for each defaulted loan can grow a bit, and that will contribute to a different reserve per NOD that we're establishing.
Adam Pollitzer: Nothing from the 2025 year. Now that more of those are coming through, they're broadly similar to the loans that have experienced default in prior periods, with the one big differential being the mark-to-market LTV position is higher because those are loans that while they were originated in a constructive environment, didn't get the benefit of the record run of house price appreciation through the pandemic. That has a big impact on our expectation for ultimate claim outcomes from initial default. That will factor through. The other one is that over time, as we're seeing house prices continue to move higher, loan sizes themselves move higher. That the average risk exposure, the average risk in force for each defaulted loan can grow a bit, and that will contribute to a different reserve per NOD that we're establishing.
Speaker #2: And that has a big impact on our expectation for ultimate claim outcomes from initial default. So that will factor through. And the other one is that over time, as we're seeing house prices continue to move higher, loan sizes themselves move higher.
Speaker #2: That the average risk exposure, the average risk enforced for each defaulted loan can grow a bit and that will contribute to a different reserve per NOD that we're establishing.
Speaker #2: So, it's kind of all of those together that will drive the differences. Plus, as you noted, there's a larger number of notices that we reserve for.
Adam Pollitzer: It's kind of all of those together will drive the differences. Plus, as you noted, there's a larger number of notices that we reserve for.
Adam Pollitzer: It's kind of all of those together will drive the differences. Plus, as you noted, there's a larger number of notices that we reserve for.
Speaker #9: Okay, and then, is that the same? I guess—is this the mix and the mark-to-market of the loss? Is that what's also driving the reserve per default assumption higher?
Mihir Bhatia: Okay. Is that the same? Like I guess it was the mix and the mark-to-market of the loss. Is that what's also driving the reserve for default assumption higher? Like I'm just trying to understand because obviously you released $26 million of prior period reserves, but the reserve for default is moving higher. Is that just the same thing that's driving that?
Mihir Bhatia: Okay. Is that the same? Like I guess it was the mix and the mark-to-market of the loss. Is that what's also driving the reserve for default assumption higher? Like I'm just trying to understand because obviously you released $26 million of prior period reserves, but the reserve for default is moving higher. Is that just the same thing that's driving that?
Speaker #9: I'm just trying to understand because obviously, you released 26 million of prior period reserves, but the reserve per default is moving higher. Is that just the same thing that's driving that higher?
Speaker #3: Yes. I'm sorry. It is moving nominally higher. So if you look at our entire I referenced the new NODs earlier. If you look at our entire population of NODs, it's 26,000, round about 300 is the average reserve, which is up approximately 2% quarter over quarter.
Aurora Swithenbank: Yes. I'm sorry. It is moving nominally higher. If you look at our entire population of NODs, it's 26,000, round about 300 is the average reserve, which is up approximately 2% quarter-over-quarter. If you look at what's driving that change, it really is the larger loan size of the loans that are in default.
Aurora Swithenbank: Yes. I'm sorry. It is moving nominally higher. If you look at our entire population of NODs, it's 26,000, round about 300 is the average reserve, which is up approximately 2% quarter-over-quarter. If you look at what's driving that change, it really is the larger loan size of the loans that are in default.
Speaker #3: And if you look at what's driving that change, it really is the larger loan size of the loans that are in default.
Speaker #9: Got it. Maybe just turning the NIW for a second. I think it was down a little bit quarter over quarter. I know everyone hasn't reported yet, so we don't have market share.
Mihir Bhatia: Got it. Maybe just turning to NIW for a second. I think, you know, it was down a little bit quarter-over-quarter. I know everyone hasn't reported yet, so we don't have like market share, but I'm sure you do some ongoing monitoring. Maybe just decompose some of that for us. Like what are some of the key factors driving it? I imagine a little bit smaller market, but do you see any shifts in market share? Is there any mix shift going on, whether it's from the bulk market or what have you, that's driving? Well, that would make you think your results will be different than some of your peers.
Mihir Bhatia: Got it. Maybe just turning to NIW for a second. I think, you know, it was down a little bit quarter-over-quarter. I know everyone hasn't reported yet, so we don't have like market share, but I'm sure you do some ongoing monitoring. Maybe just decompose some of that for us. Like what are some of the key factors driving it? I imagine a little bit smaller market, but do you see any shifts in market share? Is there any mix shift going on, whether it's from the bulk market or what have you, that's driving? Well, that would make you think your results will be different than some of your peers.
Speaker #9: But I'm sure you do some ongoing monitoring. Maybe just decompose some of that for us. What are some of the key factors driving it?
Speaker #9: I imagine it's a little bit smaller market, but did you see any shifts in market share? Is there any mixed shift going on, whether it's from the bulk market or what have you?
Speaker #9: That's driving well, that would make you think your results would be different than some of your peers.
Speaker #2: No. When we look at it, again, we don't because we're talking share, I feel the need to give the caveat. We don't manage to market share at all, right?
Adam Pollitzer: No. When we look at it, you know, because we're talking share, I feel the need to give the caveat. We don't manage to market share at all, right?
Adam Pollitzer: No. When we look at it, you know, because we're talking share, I feel the need to give the caveat. We don't manage to market share at all, right?
Mihir Bhatia: Right.
Mihir Bhatia: Right.
Adam Pollitzer: We never have, and that certainly remains the case today. In terms of our performance in the quarter, we didn't see any significant moves. There obviously was a bulk transaction that one of our competitors announced over the last few days. That'll just skew the headline number, and you need to normalize for that because that's not flow of business that really traces to share. There were no significant moves. Our NIW was up 33% year-on-year. You know, rough estimate, we think market's probably up about 35% year-on-year. Right in line with market growth, which is where we wanna be, right? We're in a terrific position with our customer franchise.
Speaker #2: We never have, and that certainly remains the case today. But in terms of our performance in the quarter, we didn't see any significant moves.
Adam Pollitzer: We never have, and that certainly remains the case today. In terms of our performance in the quarter, we didn't see any significant moves. There obviously was a bulk transaction that one of our competitors announced over the last few days. That'll just skew the headline number, and you need to normalize for that because that's not flow of business that really traces to share. There were no significant moves. Our NIW was up 33% year-on-year. You know, rough estimate, we think market's probably up about 35% year-on-year. Right in line with market growth, which is where we wanna be, right? We're in a terrific position with our customer franchise.
Speaker #2: There obviously was a bulk transaction that one of our competitors announced over the last few days so that'll just skew the headline number. And you need to normalize for that because that's not flow of business that really traces to share.
Speaker #2: But there were no significant moves. Our NIW was up 33% year on year. Rough estimate we think market's probably up about 35% year on year.
Speaker #2: So right in line with market growth, which is where we want to be, right? We're in a terrific position with our customer franchise. As we continue to perform from a new business flow standpoint at that level, we'll just naturally we've got this embedded growth engine in terms of our share of industry insurance enforced continuing to accrete higher.
Adam Pollitzer: As we continue to perform from a new business flow standpoint at that level, we'll just naturally, we've got this embedded growth engine in terms of our share of industry insurance in force continuing to accrete higher.
Adam Pollitzer: As we continue to perform from a new business flow standpoint at that level, we'll just naturally, we've got this embedded growth engine in terms of our share of industry insurance in force continuing to accrete higher.
Speaker #9: Got it. And then just I'll end with reinsurance question. Just the profit commission has been trending a little bit lower. Is that just a function of normalizing credit defaults, something else going on there?
Mihir Bhatia: Right. Just I'll end with a reinsurance question. Just the profit commission has been trending a little bit lower. Is that just a function of normalizing credit default, something else going on there?
Mihir Bhatia: Right. Just I'll end with a reinsurance question. Just the profit commission has been trending a little bit lower. Is that just a function of normalizing credit default, something else going on there?
Speaker #3: Yes. That's you put your finger on it.
Aurora Swithenbank: Yes. That's. You put your finger on it.
Aurora Swithenbank: Yes. That's. You put your finger on it.
Speaker #9: Got it. Thank you.
Mihir Bhatia: Got it. Thank you.
Mihir Bhatia: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #1: This concludes our question and answer session. I’d like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.
Speaker #2: Thank you again for joining us. We'll be participating in the BTIG Housing and Real Estate Conference in New York on May 6, and the KBW Virtual Real Estate Finance Conference on May 19.
Adam Pollitzer: Thank you again for joining us. We will be participating in the BTIG Housing and Real Estate Conference in New York on May 6, the KBW Virtual Real Estate Finance Conference on May 19, and the Truist Securities Financial Services Conference in New York on May 20. We look forward to speaking with you again soon.
Adam Pollitzer: Thank you again for joining us. We will be participating in the BTIG Housing and Real Estate Conference in New York on May 6, the KBW Virtual Real Estate Finance Conference on May 19, and the Truist Securities Financial Services Conference in New York on May 20. We look forward to speaking with you again soon.
Speaker #2: And the Truest Securities Financial Services Conference in New York on May 20th. We look forward to speaking with you again soon.
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