Q1 2026 Two Harbors Investment Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good morning. My name is Jennifer, and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to TWO's first quarter 2026 earnings call.
Operator 2: Good morning. My name is Jennifer, and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to Two Harbors Investment Corp.'s Q1 2026 Earnings Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Margaret Karr.
Operator: Good morning. My name is Jennifer, and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to Two Harbors Investment Corp.'s Q1 2026 Earnings Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Margaret Karr.
Speaker #1: All participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Maggie Karr.
Speaker #2: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call to discuss TWO's first quarter 2026 financial results. With me on the call this morning are Bill Greenberg, our president and chief executive officer, Nick Letica, our chief investment officer, and William Dellal, our chief financial officer.
Margaret Karr: Good morning, everyone, welcome to our call to discuss Two's Q1 2026 financial results. With me on the call this morning are William Greenberg, our President and Chief Executive Officer; Nicholas Letica, our Chief Investment Officer; and William Dellal, our Chief Financial Officer. The earnings press release and presentation associated with today's call have been filed with the SEC and are available on the SEC's website as well as the investor relations page of our website at twoinv.com. In our earnings release and presentation, we have provided reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures, and we urge you to review this information in conjunction with today's call. As a reminder, our comments today will include forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause our results to differ materially from expectations.
Margaret Karr: Good morning, everyone, welcome to our call to discuss Two's Q1 2026 financial results. With me on the call this morning are William Greenberg, our President and Chief Executive Officer; Nicholas Letica, our Chief Investment Officer; and William Dellal, our Chief Financial Officer. The earnings press release and presentation associated with today's call have been filed with the SEC and are available on the SEC's website as well as the investor relations page of our website at twoinv.com. In our earnings release and presentation, we have provided reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures, and we urge you to review this information in conjunction with today's call. As a reminder, our comments today will include forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause our results to differ materially from expectations.
Speaker #2: The earnings press release and presentation associated with today's call have been filed with the SEC and are available on the SEC's website as well as the investor relations page of our website at twinv.com.
Speaker #2: In our earnings release and presentation, we have provided reconciliations of gap to non-gap financial measures and we urge you to review this information in conjunction with today's call.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, our comments today will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, that may cause our results to differ materially from expectations.
Speaker #2: These are described on page 2 of the presentation and in our Form 10-K and subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Except as may be required by law, TWO does not update forward-looking statements and disclaims any obligation to do so.
Margaret Karr: These are described on page two of the presentation and in our Form 10-K and subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Except as may be required by law, Two does not update forward-looking statements and disclaims any obligation to do so. I will now turn the call over to William.
Margaret Karr: These are described on page two of the presentation and in our Form 10-K and subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Except as may be required by law, Two does not update forward-looking statements and disclaims any obligation to do so. I will now turn the call over to William.
Speaker #2: I will now turn the call over to Bill.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Maggie. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our first quarter earnings call. I'd like to begin by addressing the recent developments regarding the merger plans that we initially disclosed last December.
William Greenberg: Thank you, Maggie. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 earnings call. I'd like to begin by addressing the recent developments regarding the merger plans that we initially disclosed last December. As we describe in detail in our proxy statement, in March, we received an unsolicited all-cash proposal from CrossCountry Mortgage. After careful consideration and in coordination with our financial and legal advisors, our board unanimously determined that the CrossCountry proposal was superior and in the best interest of shareholders. On 27 March 2026, we executed a new merger agreement with CrossCountry, pursuant to which CrossCountry agreed to acquire Two Harbors for $10.80 per share in cash. In connection with entering into this agreement, we terminated the prior merger agreement with UWM. Yesterday, we announced that we signed an amendment to the new merger agreement with CCM.
William Greenberg: Thank you, Maggie. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our Q1 earnings call. I'd like to begin by addressing the recent developments regarding the merger plans that we initially disclosed last December. As we describe in detail in our proxy statement, in March, we received an unsolicited all-cash proposal from CrossCountry Mortgage. After careful consideration and in coordination with our financial and legal advisors, our board unanimously determined that the CrossCountry proposal was superior and in the best interest of shareholders. On 27 March 2026, we executed a new merger agreement with CrossCountry, pursuant to which CrossCountry agreed to acquire Two Harbors for $10.80 per share in cash. In connection with entering into this agreement, we terminated the prior merger agreement with UWM. Yesterday, we announced that we signed an amendment to the new merger agreement with CCM.
Speaker #3: As we describe in detail in our proxy statements, in March we received an unsolicited all-cash proposal from cross-country mortgage. After careful consideration, and in coordination with our financial and legal advisors, our board unanimously determined that the cross-country proposal was superior and in the best interest of shareholders, and on March 27, 2026, we executed a new merger agreement with cross-country pursuant to which cross-country agreed to acquire TWO Harbors for $10.80 per share in cash.
Speaker #3: In connection with entering into this agreement, we terminated the prior merger agreement with UWM. Yesterday, we announced that we signed an amendment to the new merger agreement with CCM.
Speaker #3: Under the terms of the amended agreement, CCM will increase the per-share cash consideration payable to TWO Harbor stockholders to $11.30 per share, an increase from $10.80 per share under the original merger agreement.
William Greenberg: Under the terms of the amended agreement, CCM will increase the per share cash consideration payable to Two Harbors stockholders to $11.30 per share, an increase from $10.80 per share under the original merger agreement. The amended agreement follows our board's thorough evaluation of an unsolicited competing proposal received on 20 April 2026 from UWMC. After consulting with our financial and legal advisors, including assessment of the competing proposal's terms, proposed financing, regulatory path, deal certainty, and other factors, the Two board determined that the CCM transaction, as amended, continues to be in the best interests of Two and its stockholders. The business combination with CCM pairs the country's leading retail originator with RoundPoint's best-in-class servicing platform, creating a fully integrated mortgage company.
William Greenberg: Under the terms of the amended agreement, CCM will increase the per share cash consideration payable to Two Harbors stockholders to $11.30 per share, an increase from $10.80 per share under the original merger agreement. The amended agreement follows our board's thorough evaluation of an unsolicited competing proposal received on 20 April 2026 from UWMC. After consulting with our financial and legal advisors, including assessment of the competing proposal's terms, proposed financing, regulatory path, deal certainty, and other factors, the Two board determined that the CCM transaction, as amended, continues to be in the best interests of Two and its stockholders. The business combination with CCM pairs the country's leading retail originator with RoundPoint's best-in-class servicing platform, creating a fully integrated mortgage company.
Speaker #3: The amended agreement follows our board's thorough evaluation of an unsolicited competing proposal received on April 20, 2026, from UWMC. After consulting with our financial and legal advisors, including assessment of the competing proposal's terms, proposed financing, regulatory path, deal certainty, and other factors, the TWO board determined that the CCM transaction, as amended, continues to be in the best interests of TWO and its stockholders.
Speaker #3: The business combination with CCM pairs the country's leading retail originator with Round Point's best-in-class servicing platform, creating a fully integrated mortgage company. We are confident that this merger is in the best interest of shareholders, allowing them to receive the certainty of cash and reinvest the proceeds in a manner that best suits them.
William Greenberg: We are confident that this merger is in the best interest of shareholders, allowing them to receive the certainty of cash and reinvest the proceeds in a manner that best suits them. The transaction is expected to close in H2 2026 and is not subject to any financing condition. Prior to closing, we intend to continue paying regular quarterly dividends, but not stub dividends, consistent with past practice. We will hold a special meeting to approve the CrossCountry merger on 19 May at 10:00 AM Eastern time. If you have already submitted your vote in favor of the CCM merger, your vote remains valid. If you have not yet voted, or if you previously voted only on the terminated UWM transaction, please submit your vote as soon as possible. Your vote is very important.
William Greenberg: We are confident that this merger is in the best interest of shareholders, allowing them to receive the certainty of cash and reinvest the proceeds in a manner that best suits them. The transaction is expected to close in H2 2026 and is not subject to any financing condition. Prior to closing, we intend to continue paying regular quarterly dividends, but not stub dividends, consistent with past practice. We will hold a special meeting to approve the CrossCountry merger on 19 May at 10:00 AM Eastern time. If you have already submitted your vote in favor of the CCM merger, your vote remains valid. If you have not yet voted, or if you previously voted only on the terminated UWM transaction, please submit your vote as soon as possible. Your vote is very important.
Speaker #3: The transaction is expected to close in the second half of 2026 and is not subject to any financing condition. Prior to closing, we intend to continue paying regular quarterly dividends, but not sub-dividends, consistent with past practice.
Speaker #3: We will hold a special meeting to approve the cross-country merger on May 19 at 10:00 AM Eastern Time. If you have already submitted your vote in favor of the CCM merger, your vote remains valid.
Speaker #3: If you have not yet voted or if you previously voted only on the terminated UWM transaction, please submit your vote as soon as possible.
Speaker #3: Your vote is very important. Our board unanimously recommends that all shareholders vote in favor of the transaction with cross-country. Now let's turn to our quarterly results as summarized on slide 3.
William Greenberg: Our board unanimously recommends that all shareholders vote in favor of the transaction with CrossCountry. Let's turn to our quarterly results as summarized on slide 3. At the start of the quarter, RMBS performance was buoyed by the continued decline of implied volatility and the announcement on 8 January by the FHFA director instructing the GSEs to purchase $200 billion of agency MBS in an effort to explicitly tighten mortgage spreads as part of a larger effort to lower mortgage rates. Mostly as a result of the outbreak of the Middle East conflict, the performance of risk assets, including RMBS, deteriorated over the balance of the quarter. Amid this backdrop, for Q1, we had a total economic return of -2.0%. Please turn to slide 4.
William Greenberg: Our board unanimously recommends that all shareholders vote in favor of the transaction with CrossCountry. Let's turn to our quarterly results as summarized on slide 3. At the start of the quarter, RMBS performance was buoyed by the continued decline of implied volatility and the announcement on 8 January by the FHFA director instructing the GSEs to purchase $200 billion of agency MBS in an effort to explicitly tighten mortgage spreads as part of a larger effort to lower mortgage rates. Mostly as a result of the outbreak of the Middle East conflict, the performance of risk assets, including RMBS, deteriorated over the balance of the quarter. Amid this backdrop, for Q1, we had a total economic return of -2.0%. Please turn to slide 4.
Speaker #3: At the start of the quarter, our MBS performance was buoyed by the continued decline of implied volatility and the announcement on January 8 by the FHFA director instructing the GSEs to purchase $200 billion of agency MBS in an effort to explicitly tighten mortgage spreads as part of a larger effort to lower mortgage rates.
Speaker #3: However, mostly as a result of the outbreak of the Middle East conflict, the performance of risk assets, including RMBS, deteriorated over the balance of the quarter.
Speaker #3: Amid this backdrop, for the first quarter, we had a total economic return of -2.0%. Please turn to slide 4. Forecasts for inflation and economic growth became more uncertain as the quarter unfolded, and as a result, the Federal Reserve left rates unchanged at their February and March meetings.
William Greenberg: Forecasts for inflation and economic growth became more uncertain as the quarter unfolded, and as a result, the Federal Reserve left rates unchanged at their February and March meetings. As you can see in figure 1, market expectations for the Fed's effective rate at 2026 year-end rose from 3.06% on 31 December to 3.57% at quarter end, essentially wiping away any prospects of Fed cuts in 2026. Economic statistics over the quarter were mixed, punctuated by a weaker than anticipated employment report on 6 March, with the unemployment rate unexpectedly rising to 4.4%. Normally, such an outcome would likely result in a bull steepener, with short rates falling more than long ones.
William Greenberg: Forecasts for inflation and economic growth became more uncertain as the quarter unfolded, and as a result, the Federal Reserve left rates unchanged at their February and March meetings. As you can see in figure 1, market expectations for the Fed's effective rate at 2026 year-end rose from 3.06% on 31 December to 3.57% at quarter end, essentially wiping away any prospects of Fed cuts in 2026. Economic statistics over the quarter were mixed, punctuated by a weaker than anticipated employment report on 6 March, with the unemployment rate unexpectedly rising to 4.4%. Normally, such an outcome would likely result in a bull steepener, with short rates falling more than long ones.
Speaker #3: As you can see in figure 1, market expectations for the Fed's effective rate at 2026 year-end rose from 3.06% on December 31 to 3.57% at quarter-end, essentially wiping away any prospects of Fed cuts in 2026.
Speaker #3: Economic statistics over the quarter were mixed, punctuated by a weaker-than-anticipated employment report on March 6, with the unemployment rate unexpectedly rising to 4.4%. Normally, such an outcome would likely result in a bull steepener, with short rates falling more than long rates in this instance.
William Greenberg: In this instance, rekindled concerns over inflation, both from continued elevation of core PCE inflation and from the oil price shock, were strong enough that rates did the opposite, rising into the end of the quarter. As you can see in figure 2, the U.S. Treasury yield curve bear flattened, with 2-year yields rising 32 basis points to 3.79%, while 10-year yields increased 15 basis points to 4.32%. The Fed's median forecast released in March continued to price in 125 basis point cut in 2026. Though forecasts for core PCE inflation increased from 2.5% to 2.7%, which Chairman Powell said partly reflected incoming inflation news since the last report. Please turn to slide 5. Our DTC platform has made excellent progress since we began making our first loan in June of 2024.
William Greenberg: In this instance, rekindled concerns over inflation, both from continued elevation of core PCE inflation and from the oil price shock, were strong enough that rates did the opposite, rising into the end of the quarter. As you can see in figure 2, the U.S. Treasury yield curve bear flattened, with 2-year yields rising 32 basis points to 3.79%, while 10-year yields increased 15 basis points to 4.32%. The Fed's median forecast released in March continued to price in 125 basis point cut in 2026. Though forecasts for core PCE inflation increased from 2.5% to 2.7%, which Chairman Powell said partly reflected incoming inflation news since the last report. Please turn to slide 5. Our DTC platform has made excellent progress since we began making our first loan in June of 2024.
Speaker #3: Rekindled concerns over of core PCE inflation and from the oil price shock, were strong enough that rates did the opposite, rising into the end of the quarter.
Speaker #3: As you can see in figure 2, the US Treasury yield curve bear flattened, with 2-year yields rising 32 basis points to 3.79%, while 10-year yields increased 15 basis points to 4.32%.
Speaker #3: The Fed's median forecast released in March continued to price in 125 basis point cut in 2026, though forecasts for core PCE inflation increased from 2.5% to 2.7%, which Chairman Powell said partly reflected incoming inflation news since the last report.
Speaker #3: Please turn to slide 5. Our DTC platform has made excellent progress since we began making our first loan in June of 2024. In the first quarter, we funded $92 million in first and second liens about the same as in the fourth quarter, despite rising interest rates.
William Greenberg: In Q1, we funded $92 million in first and second liens, about the same as in Q4, despite rising interest rates. We also brokered $38 million in second liens. At quarter-end, we had an additional $57 million in our pipeline. These are still small numbers, which to some extent are expected given the low note rate nature of our servicing portfolio. However, we believe the upcoming combination with CrossCountry should bring the origination efforts to a new level, and we expect that our recapture efforts should improve substantially, benefiting our servicing customers. Now, I'd like to hand the call over to William to discuss our financial results.
William Greenberg: In Q1, we funded $92 million in first and second liens, about the same as in Q4, despite rising interest rates. We also brokered $38 million in second liens. At quarter-end, we had an additional $57 million in our pipeline. These are still small numbers, which to some extent are expected given the low note rate nature of our servicing portfolio. However, we believe the upcoming combination with CrossCountry should bring the origination efforts to a new level, and we expect that our recapture efforts should improve substantially, benefiting our servicing customers. Now, I'd like to hand the call over to William to discuss our financial results.
Speaker #3: We also brokered $38 million in second liens. At quarter-end, we had an additional $57 million in our pipeline. These are still small numbers, which, to some extent, are expected given the low note rate nature of our servicing portfolio.
Speaker #3: However, we believe the upcoming combination with cross-country should bring the origination efforts to a new level and we expect that our recapture efforts should improve substantially, benefiting our servicing customers.
Speaker #3: Now, I'd like to hand the call over to William to discuss our financial results.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Bill. Please turn to slide 6. Our book value decreased to $10.57 per share at March 31, compared to $11.13 per share at December 31.
William Dellal: Thank you, Bill. Please turn to slide 6. Our book value decreased to $10.57 per share at 31 March, compared to $11.13 per share at 31 December. Including the $0.34 common stock dividend, this resulted in a -2% quarterly economic return. Please turn to slide 7. The company incurred a comprehensive loss of -$24.7 million or $0.24 per share. Net interest and servicing income, which is a sum of GAAP net interest expense and net servicing income before operating costs, decreased as a result of lower float earnings rates and lower balances due to MSR sales and seasonals, as well as lower servicing fee collections on lower UPB, partially offset by lower financing rates.
William Dellal: Thank you, Bill. Please turn to slide 6. Our book value decreased to $10.57 per share at 31 March, compared to $11.13 per share at 31 December. Including the $0.34 common stock dividend, this resulted in a -2% quarterly economic return. Please turn to slide 7. The company incurred a comprehensive loss of -$24.7 million or $0.24 per share. Net interest and servicing income, which is a sum of GAAP net interest expense and net servicing income before operating costs, decreased as a result of lower float earnings rates and lower balances due to MSR sales and seasonals, as well as lower servicing fee collections on lower UPB, partially offset by lower financing rates.
Speaker #1: Including the 34-cent common stock dividend, this resulted in a -2% quarterly economic return. Please turn to slide 7. The company incurred a comprehensive loss of $24.7 million or 24 cents per share.
Speaker #1: Net interest and servicing income, which is the sum of gap net interest expense and net servicing income before operating costs, decreased as a result of lower float earnings rates and lower balances due to MSR sales and seasonals, as well as lower servicing fee collections on lower UPB.
Speaker #1: Partially offset by lower financing rates. Mark-to-market losses on agency RMBS and TBAs were due to higher interest rates and wider spreads in the first quarter, versus gains in the fourth quarter driven by a bull steepening in rates.
William Dellal: Mark-to-market losses on agency RMBS and TBAs were due to higher interest rates and wider spreads in Q1 versus gains in Q4 driven by both steepening and rates. The decrease in mark-to-market losses on MSR was driven by a slight favorable change in valuation inputs and assumptions used in the fair valuation of MSR versus an unfavorable change in Q4, as well as lower portfolio runoff and lower MSR balances as a result of sales and lower experienced prepayment speeds. Other derivative instruments utilized for purposes of hedging or interest rate exposure, including swaps, futures, and inverse interest-only securities, experienced net mark-to-market gains in Q1 versus net losses in Q4. You can see the individual components of net interest and servicing income and mark-to-market gains and losses on appendix slide 20. Please turn to slide 8.
William Dellal: Mark-to-market losses on agency RMBS and TBAs were due to higher interest rates and wider spreads in Q1 versus gains in Q4 driven by both steepening and rates. The decrease in mark-to-market losses on MSR was driven by a slight favorable change in valuation inputs and assumptions used in the fair valuation of MSR versus an unfavorable change in Q4, as well as lower portfolio runoff and lower MSR balances as a result of sales and lower experienced prepayment speeds. Other derivative instruments utilized for purposes of hedging or interest rate exposure, including swaps, futures, and inverse interest-only securities, experienced net mark-to-market gains in Q1 versus net losses in Q4. You can see the individual components of net interest and servicing income and mark-to-market gains and losses on appendix slide 20. Please turn to slide 8.
Speaker #1: The decrease in mark-to-market losses on MSR was driven by a slight favorable change in valuation inputs and assumptions used in the fair valuation of MSR, versus an unfavorable change in Q4.
Speaker #1: As well as lower portfolio runoff and lower MSR balances, as a result of sales and lower experienced prepayment speeds. Other derivative instruments utilized for purposes of hedging or interest rate exposure, including swaps, futures, and inverse interest-only securities, experienced net mark-to-market gains in Q1, versus net losses in Q4.
Speaker #1: You can see the individual components of net interest and servicing income and mark-to-market gains and losses on appendix slide 20. Please turn to slide 8.
Speaker #1: On the left-hand side of this slide, you can see a breakdown of our balance sheet at quarter-end. We ended the quarter with over $500 million of cash on the balance sheet.
William Dellal: On the left-hand side of this slide, you can see a breakdown of our balance sheet at quarter end. We ended the quarter with over $500 million of cash on the balance sheet. As we said on our last earnings call, we repaid our convertible senior notes of $261.9 million in full on their 15 January 2026 maturity date. RMBS funding markets remained stable and available throughout the quarter, with repurchase spreads at around SOFR plus 15 to 18 basis points. At quarter end, our weighted average days to maturity for agency RMBS repo was 71 days. We finance our MSR, including the MSR asset and related servicing advance obligations across 5 lenders, with $1.5 billion of outstanding borrowings under bilateral facilities.
William Dellal: On the left-hand side of this slide, you can see a breakdown of our balance sheet at quarter end. We ended the quarter with over $500 million of cash on the balance sheet. As we said on our last earnings call, we repaid our convertible senior notes of $261.9 million in full on their 15 January 2026 maturity date. RMBS funding markets remained stable and available throughout the quarter, with repurchase spreads at around SOFR plus 15 to 18 basis points. At quarter end, our weighted average days to maturity for agency RMBS repo was 71 days. We finance our MSR, including the MSR asset and related servicing advance obligations across 5 lenders, with $1.5 billion of outstanding borrowings under bilateral facilities.
Speaker #1: As we said on our last earnings call, we repaid our convertible senior notes of $261.9 million in full on their January 15, 2026 maturity date.
Speaker #1: RMBS funding markets remained stable and available throughout the quarter, with repurchase spreads at around silver plus 15 to 18 basis points. At quarter-end, our weighted average days to maturity for agency RMBS repo was 71 days, we financed our MSR, including the MSR asset and related servicing advance obligations, across five lenders, with 1.5 billion of outstanding borrowings under bilateral facilities.
Speaker #1: We ended the quarter with a total of $977 million in unused MSR asset financing capacity. We have $69 million drawn on our servicing advances facility with an additional $81 million of available capacity.
William Dellal: We ended the quarter with a total of $977 million in unused MSR asset financing capacity. We have $69 million drawn on our servicing advances facility with an additional $81 million of available capacity. I'll now turn the call over to Nick.
William Dellal: We ended the quarter with a total of $977 million in unused MSR asset financing capacity. We have $69 million drawn on our servicing advances facility with an additional $81 million of available capacity. I'll now turn the call over to Nick.
Speaker #1: I'll now turn the call over to Nick.
Speaker #2: Thank you, William. Please turn to slide 9. In his opening comments, Bill discussed the up-and-down nature of mortgage performance over the quarter. Ultimately, risk sentiment took an abrupt negative shift in late February with the onset of hostilities in the Middle East, leading to wider spreads for RMBS.
Nicholas Letica: Thank you, William. Please turn to slide 9. In his opening comments, Bill discussed the up-down nature of mortgage performance over the quarter. Ultimately, risk sentiment took an abrupt negative shift in late February with the onset of hostilities in the Middle East, leading to wider spreads for RMBS. Though mortgage spreads widened, they outperformed the increase in volatility due to favorable supply-demand technicals aided by the administration's explicit support of the mortgage basis. At quarter end, and even today, the situation in the Middle East is highly fluid with a broad range of outcomes. For the near term, geopolitical tensions will remain the primary driver of market sentiment and economic outlook. That said, the widening of spreads by quarter end made performance outcomes more balanced and improved the return potential of our portfolio.
Nicholas Letica: Thank you, William. Please turn to slide 9. In his opening comments, Bill discussed the up-down nature of mortgage performance over the quarter. Ultimately, risk sentiment took an abrupt negative shift in late February with the onset of hostilities in the Middle East, leading to wider spreads for RMBS. Though mortgage spreads widened, they outperformed the increase in volatility due to favorable supply-demand technicals aided by the administration's explicit support of the mortgage basis. At quarter end, and even today, the situation in the Middle East is highly fluid with a broad range of outcomes. For the near term, geopolitical tensions will remain the primary driver of market sentiment and economic outlook. That said, the widening of spreads by quarter end made performance outcomes more balanced and improved the return potential of our portfolio.
Speaker #2: Though mortgage spreads widened, they outperformed the increase in volatility due to favorable supply-demand technicals aided by the administration's explicit support of the mortgage basis.
Speaker #2: At quarter-end, and even today, the situation in the Middle East is highly fluid, with a broad range of outcomes. For the near term, geopolitical tensions will remain the primary driver of market sentiment and economic outlook.
Speaker #2: That said, the widening of spreads by quarter-end made performance outcomes more balanced and improved the return potential of our portfolio. At March 31, the portfolio was $11.9 billion, including $8.9 billion in settled positions and $3 billion in TBAs.
Nicholas Letica: At 31 March, the portfolio was $11.9 billion, including $8.9 billion in settled positions and $3 billion in TBAs. Our primary risk metrics quarter-over-quarter were not much different. Our economic debt-to-equity was lower at 6.4x, while our portfolio sensitivity to a 25 basis point spread tightening decreased slightly from 3.7 to 3.2%. Throughout the quarter, given the elevated level of macro volatility, we kept interest rate risks low in aggregate and across the curve. You can see more details on our risk exposures on appendix slide 17. Please turn to slide 10. As previously discussed, January was an excellent month for mortgage performance, with the Bloomberg MBS Index delivering 52 basis points of excess return, its best month in over a year.
Nicholas Letica: At 31 March, the portfolio was $11.9 billion, including $8.9 billion in settled positions and $3 billion in TBAs. Our primary risk metrics quarter-over-quarter were not much different. Our economic debt-to-equity was lower at 6.4x, while our portfolio sensitivity to a 25 basis point spread tightening decreased slightly from 3.7 to 3.2%. Throughout the quarter, given the elevated level of macro volatility, we kept interest rate risks low in aggregate and across the curve. You can see more details on our risk exposures on appendix slide 17. Please turn to slide 10. As previously discussed, January was an excellent month for mortgage performance, with the Bloomberg MBS Index delivering 52 basis points of excess return, its best month in over a year.
Speaker #2: Our primary risk metrics quarter over quarter were not much different. Our economic debt-to-equity was lower at 6.4 times, while our portfolio sensitivity to a 25 basis point spread tightening decreased slightly from 3.7 to 3.2 percent.
Speaker #2: Throughout the quarter, given the elevated level of macro volatility, we kept interest rate risks low in aggregate and across the curve. You can see more details on our risk exposures on appendix slide 17.
Speaker #2: Please turn to slide 10. As previously discussed, January was an excellent month for mortgage performance, with the Bloomberg MBS index delivering 52 basis points of excess return, its best month in over a year.
Speaker #2: Implied volatility, as measured by two-year options on 10-year swap rates, fell to 73 basis points on January 27, its lowest level since October 2021.
Nicholas Letica: Implied volatility, as measured by 2-year options on 10-year swap rates, fell to 73 basis points on 27 January, its lowest level since October 2021. Spreads ratcheted tighter after the 8 January announcement directing the GSEs to buy MBS, adding to what was already a constructive supply-demand picture, with money managers enjoying consistent inflows of capital, banks driving CMO demand through floater purchases, and REITs raising capital in the equity markets. Current coupon spreads reached quarterly tights on 12 January, with nominal and option-adjusted spreads tightening by 10 to 15 basis points from the beginning of the quarter. In response, we lowered our mortgage exposure given historically tight Treasury spreads, mostly by selling 4.5% specified pools and 5% TBAs.
Nicholas Letica: Implied volatility, as measured by 2-year options on 10-year swap rates, fell to 73 basis points on 27 January, its lowest level since October 2021. Spreads ratcheted tighter after the 8 January announcement directing the GSEs to buy MBS, adding to what was already a constructive supply-demand picture, with money managers enjoying consistent inflows of capital, banks driving CMO demand through floater purchases, and REITs raising capital in the equity markets. Current coupon spreads reached quarterly tights on 12 January, with nominal and option-adjusted spreads tightening by 10 to 15 basis points from the beginning of the quarter. In response, we lowered our mortgage exposure given historically tight Treasury spreads, mostly by selling 4.5% specified pools and 5% TBAs.
Speaker #2: Spreads ratcheted tighter after the January 8 announcement directing the GSEs to buy MBS, adding to what was already a constructive supply-demand picture, with money managers enjoying consistent inflows of capital, banks driving CMO demand through floater purchases, and REITs raising capital in the equity markets.
Speaker #2: Current coupon spreads reached quarterly tights on January 12, with nominal and option-adjusted spreads tightening by 10 to 15 basis points from the beginning of the quarter.
Speaker #2: In response, we lowered our mortgage exposure, given historically tight Treasury spreads, mostly by selling 4.5% specified pools and 5% TBAs. However, over the course of February and March, driven predominantly by the start of the conflict and the attendant increase in realized and implied volatility, and the flattening of the yield curve, performance deteriorated.
Nicholas Letica: However, over the course of February and March, driven predominantly by the start of the conflict and the attendant increase in realized and implied volatility and the flattening of the yield curve, performance deteriorated. As you can see in figure 1, implied volatility on two-year, ten-year swap options finished Q1 up 5 basis points nominally to 85 basis points. Current coupon spreads versus swaps on a nominal and option-adjusted basis widened by 26 and 15 basis points, finishing Q1 at 141 and 60 basis points, respectively. With mortgage spreads cheaper, we reversed course and managed our spread exposure higher by Q1 end, simultaneously adding some 5.5% specified pools.
Nicholas Letica: However, over the course of February and March, driven predominantly by the start of the conflict and the attendant increase in realized and implied volatility and the flattening of the yield curve, performance deteriorated. As you can see in figure 1, implied volatility on two-year, ten-year swap options finished Q1 up 5 basis points nominally to 85 basis points. Current coupon spreads versus swaps on a nominal and option-adjusted basis widened by 26 and 15 basis points, finishing Q1 at 141 and 60 basis points, respectively. With mortgage spreads cheaper, we reversed course and managed our spread exposure higher by Q1 end, simultaneously adding some 5.5% specified pools.
Speaker #2: As you can see in Figure 1, implied volatility on two-year, 10-year swap options finished the quarter up 5 basis points nominally to 85 basis points.
Speaker #2: Current coupon spreads versus swaps on a nominal and option-adjusted basis widened by 26 and 15 basis points, finishing the quarter at 141 and 60 basis points, respectively.
Speaker #2: With mortgage spreads cheaper, we reversed course and managed our spread exposure higher by quarter-end, simultaneously adding some 5.5% specified pools. As you can see in Figure 2, the spread curve, both nominally and risk-adjusted, steepened over the quarter, with lower coupons close to unchanged, while 4.5 and higher coupons widened.
Nicholas Letica: As you can see in Figure 2, the spread curve, both nominally and risk adjusted, steepened over the quarter with lower coupons close to unchanged while 4.5 and higher coupons widened. Peak spreads were in the 5.5% to 6% coupons. Please turn to Slide 11 to review our agency RMBS portfolio. Figure 1 shows the performance of TBAs and specified pools we owned throughout this quarter. Hedge performance versus swaps across the coupon stack was mixed, with some belly coupons and higher coupon specified pools eking out a positive return. While the performance for most of the stack between 4.5s and 6s was negative. Hedge performance versus Treasuries was better as longer-end swap spreads tightened over the quarter.
Nicholas Letica: As you can see in Figure 2, the spread curve, both nominally and risk adjusted, steepened over the quarter with lower coupons close to unchanged while 4.5 and higher coupons widened. Peak spreads were in the 5.5% to 6% coupons. Please turn to Slide 11 to review our agency RMBS portfolio. Figure 1 shows the performance of TBAs and specified pools we owned throughout this quarter. Hedge performance versus swaps across the coupon stack was mixed, with some belly coupons and higher coupon specified pools eking out a positive return. While the performance for most of the stack between 4.5s and 6s was negative. Hedge performance versus Treasuries was better as longer-end swap spreads tightened over the quarter.
Speaker #2: Peak spreads were in the 5.5 to 6% coupons. Please turn to slide 11 to review our agency RMBS portfolio. Figure 1 shows a performance of TBAs and specified pools we owned throughout this quarter.
Speaker #2: Hedged performance versus swaps across the coupon stack was mixed, with some belly coupons and higher coupons specified pools eking out a positive return. While the performance for most of the stack between 4.5 and 6s was negative.
Speaker #2: Hedged performance versus treasuries was better, as longer-end swap spreads tightened over the quarter. Even so, the Bloomberg MBS index, in which performance is measured against treasuries, had an excess cumulative return of minus 36 basis points over February and March.
Nicholas Letica: Even so, the Bloomberg US MBS Index, in which performance is measured against Treasuries, had an excess cumulative return of -36 basis points over February and March. 30-year mortgage rates finished up about 25 basis points quarter-over-quarter to 6.5%, though they touched 6% in both January and February, allowing savvy and fast-acting borrowers to find the best rates in years. Prepayment rates for refinanceable loans jumped higher in March, reacting to the multiyear lows in mortgage rates. Though absolute prepayment rates for refinanceable coupons reached similar levels as observed in October 2025, they were actually more benign after adjusting for rate incentives. Thus, the prepayment S-curve was not as reactive as it had been in Q4 when the media effect was more elevated.
Nicholas Letica: Even so, the Bloomberg US MBS Index, in which performance is measured against Treasuries, had an excess cumulative return of -36 basis points over February and March. 30-year mortgage rates finished up about 25 basis points quarter-over-quarter to 6.5%, though they touched 6% in both January and February, allowing savvy and fast-acting borrowers to find the best rates in years. Prepayment rates for refinanceable loans jumped higher in March, reacting to the multiyear lows in mortgage rates. Though absolute prepayment rates for refinanceable coupons reached similar levels as observed in October 2025, they were actually more benign after adjusting for rate incentives. Thus, the prepayment S-curve was not as reactive as it had been in Q4 when the media effect was more elevated.
Speaker #2: 30-year mortgage rates finished up about 25 basis points quarter over quarter to 6.5%, though they touched 6% in both January and February, allowing savvy and fast-acting borrowers to find the best rates in years.
Speaker #2: Prepayment rates for refinanceable loans jumped higher in March, reacting to the multi-year lows in mortgage rates. Though absolute prepayment rates for refinanceable coupons reached similar levels as observed in October 2025, they were actually more benign after adjusting for rate incentives.
Speaker #2: Thus, the prepayment S-curve was not as reactive as it had been in the fourth quarter, when the media effect was more elevated. With prepayment rates on higher coupon TBAs remaining fast, the call protection offered by our carefully selected specified pools was evident, as can be seen in Figure 2, which shows TBAs versus the specified pools we owned by coupon.
Nicholas Letica: With prepayment rates on higher coupon TBAs remaining fast, the call protection offered by our carefully selected specified pools was evident, as can be seen in Figure 2, which shows TBAs versus the specified pools we own by coupon. For 5.5 coupons and higher, our specified pools paid at a fraction of TBA speeds. On aggregate, pool speeds increased to 9.8% from 8.6% CPR in quarter-over-quarter, mostly driven by increases in speeds from these higher coupons. Please turn to Slide 12. Activity and demand for MSR in Q1 remained high, with servicing transfers topping 93 billion UPB, outpacing Q1 2025, though below the prior 2 quarters. We continue to see most of the supply coming from non-bank originators with a broader array of buyer types, which include other non-bank originators, banks, and REITs.
Nicholas Letica: With prepayment rates on higher coupon TBAs remaining fast, the call protection offered by our carefully selected specified pools was evident, as can be seen in Figure 2, which shows TBAs versus the specified pools we own by coupon. For 5.5 coupons and higher, our specified pools paid at a fraction of TBA speeds. On aggregate, pool speeds increased to 9.8% from 8.6% CPR in quarter-over-quarter, mostly driven by increases in speeds from these higher coupons. Please turn to Slide 12. Activity and demand for MSR in Q1 remained high, with servicing transfers topping 93 billion UPB, outpacing Q1 2025, though below the prior 2 quarters. We continue to see most of the supply coming from non-bank originators with a broader array of buyer types, which include other non-bank originators, banks, and REITs.
Speaker #2: For 5.5 coupons and higher, our specified pools paid at a fraction of TBA speeds. On aggregate, pool speeds increased to 9.8% from 8.6% CPR quarter over quarter, mostly driven by increases in speeds from these higher coupons.
Speaker #2: Please turn to slide 12. Activity in demand for MSR in the first quarter remained high, with servicing transfers topping 93 billion UPB, outpacing Q1 2025, though below the prior two quarters.
Speaker #2: We continue to see most of the supply coming from non-bank originators, with a broader array of buyer types, which include other non-bank originators: banks and REITs.
Speaker #2: Figure 2 shows that with mortgage rates at their current level of around 6.5%, the share of our MSR portfolio that is considered in the money drops to 1%.
Nicholas Letica: Figure 2 shows that with mortgage rates at their current level of around 6.5%, the share of our MSR portfolio that is considered in the money drops to 1%. If mortgage rates were to drop to around 5%, the portion of our portfolio in the money would rise to about 9%. The housing market remains slow and persistent inventory shortages in many markets is expected to continue to put upward pressure on prices. That said, there are pockets of weakness in southern markets, with builders continuing to offer buydowns to move inventory. Housing affordability, which had been improving since mid-2025, is likely to reverse given the rise in mortgage rates.
Nicholas Letica: Figure 2 shows that with mortgage rates at their current level of around 6.5%, the share of our MSR portfolio that is considered in the money drops to 1%. If mortgage rates were to drop to around 5%, the portion of our portfolio in the money would rise to about 9%. The housing market remains slow and persistent inventory shortages in many markets is expected to continue to put upward pressure on prices. That said, there are pockets of weakness in southern markets, with builders continuing to offer buydowns to move inventory. Housing affordability, which had been improving since mid-2025, is likely to reverse given the rise in mortgage rates.
Speaker #2: If mortgage rates were to drop to around 5%, the portion of our portfolio in the money would rise to about 9%. The housing market remains slow, and persistent inventory shortages in many markets is expected to continue to put upward pressure on prices.
Speaker #2: That said, there are pockets of weakness in southern markets, with builders continuing to offer buy-downs to move inventory. Housing affordability, which had been improving since mid-2025, is likely to reverse given the rise in mortgage rates.
Speaker #2: On a broad basis, we anticipate home prices to rise in the single digits annualized, and for housing turnover to continue to trend about 5% higher year on year, especially as primary rates today are lower than a year ago at this time.
Nicholas Letica: On a broad basis, we anticipate home prices to rise in the single digits annualized and for housing turnover to continue to trend about 5% higher year-on-year, especially as primary rates today are lower than a year ago at this time. Please turn to slide 13, where we will discuss our MSR portfolio. Figure 1 is an overview of our portfolio at quarter end. Further details of which can be found on appendix slide 23. In Q1, we added 152 million UPB of MSR through flow sale and recapture channels. Given the increase in mortgage rates and wider RMBS spreads, the price multiple of our MSR increased slightly quarter over quarter to 5.9x. 60-plus day delinquencies remained low at under 1%. Figure 2 compares CPRs across those implied security coupons in our portfolio of MSR versus TBAs.
Nicholas Letica: On a broad basis, we anticipate home prices to rise in the single digits annualized and for housing turnover to continue to trend about 5% higher year-on-year, especially as primary rates today are lower than a year ago at this time. Please turn to slide 13, where we will discuss our MSR portfolio. Figure 1 is an overview of our portfolio at quarter end. Further details of which can be found on appendix slide 23. In Q1, we added 152 million UPB of MSR through flow sale and recapture channels. Given the increase in mortgage rates and wider RMBS spreads, the price multiple of our MSR increased slightly quarter over quarter to 5.9x. 60-plus day delinquencies remained low at under 1%. Figure 2 compares CPRs across those implied security coupons in our portfolio of MSR versus TBAs.
Speaker #2: Please turn to slide 13, where we will discuss our MSR portfolio. Figure 1 is an overview of our portfolio at quarter-end, further details of which can be found in Appendix Slide 23.
Speaker #2: In the first quarter, we added 152 million UPB of MSR through flow sale and recapture channels. Given the increase in mortgage rates and wider RMBS spreads, the price multiple of our MSR increased slightly quarter over quarter to 5.9 times.
Speaker #2: Sixty-plus-day delinquencies remained low at under 1%. Figure 2 compares CPRs across those implied security coupons in our portfolio of MSR versus TBAs. Quarter over quarter, our MSR portfolio experienced a decrease in prepayment rates to 5.6% CPR, reflecting lower housing turnover that is typical in the winter months.
Nicholas Letica: Quarter over quarter, our MSR portfolio experienced a decrease in prepayment rates to 5.6% CPR, reflecting lower housing turnover that is typical in the winter months. Importantly, prepays have remained below our projections for the majority of our portfolio, which has been a positive tailwind for returns. Finally, please turn to slide 14, our return potential and outlook slide, which is a forward-looking projection of our expected portfolio returns. We estimate that about 65% of our capital is allocated to servicing with a static return projection of 11% to 14%. The remaining capital is allocated to securities with a static return estimate of 11% to 15%.
Nicholas Letica: Quarter over quarter, our MSR portfolio experienced a decrease in prepayment rates to 5.6% CPR, reflecting lower housing turnover that is typical in the winter months. Importantly, prepays have remained below our projections for the majority of our portfolio, which has been a positive tailwind for returns. Finally, please turn to slide 14, our return potential and outlook slide, which is a forward-looking projection of our expected portfolio returns. We estimate that about 65% of our capital is allocated to servicing with a static return projection of 11% to 14%. The remaining capital is allocated to securities with a static return estimate of 11% to 15%.
Speaker #2: Importantly, prepays have remained below our projections for the majority of our portfolio, which has been a positive tailwind for returns. Finally, please turn to slide 14, our return potential and outlook slide, which is a forward-looking projection of our expected portfolio returns.
Speaker #2: We estimate that about 65% of our capital is allocated to servicing, with a static return projection of 11 to 14 percent. The remaining capitals allocated to securities, with a static return estimate of 11 to 15 percent.
Speaker #2: With our portfolio allocation shown in the top half of the table, and after expenses, the static return estimate for our portfolio would be between 8% to 11.4% before applying any capital structural leverage to the portfolio.
Nicholas Letica: With our portfolio allocation shown in the top half of the table and after expenses, the static return estimate for our portfolio would be between 8% to 11.4% before applying any capital structural leverage to the portfolio. After giving effect to our unsecured notes and preferred stock, we believe that the potential static return on common equity falls in the range of 7.3% to 12.9% or a prospective quarterly static return per share of $0.19 to $0.34. Looking ahead, the situation in the Middle East remains highly fluid. The economic disruptions caused by this conflict are inherently hard to gauge. While technical factors in the RMBS market are a positive for the sector, the outlook for interest rate volatility is less certain.
Nicholas Letica: With our portfolio allocation shown in the top half of the table and after expenses, the static return estimate for our portfolio would be between 8% to 11.4% before applying any capital structural leverage to the portfolio. After giving effect to our unsecured notes and preferred stock, we believe that the potential static return on common equity falls in the range of 7.3% to 12.9% or a prospective quarterly static return per share of $0.19 to $0.34. Looking ahead, the situation in the Middle East remains highly fluid. The economic disruptions caused by this conflict are inherently hard to gauge. While technical factors in the RMBS market are a positive for the sector, the outlook for interest rate volatility is less certain.
Speaker #2: After giving effect to our unsecured notes and preferred stock, we believe that the potential static return on common equity falls in the range of 7.3 to 12.9%, or a prospective quarterly static return per share of 19 to 34 cents.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, the situation in the Middle East remains highly fluid. The economic disruptions caused by this conflict are inherently hard to gauge. While technical factors in the RMBS market are a positive for the sector, the outlook for interest rate volatility is less certain.
Speaker #2: It's worth noting that while there was a substantial increase in volatility off the quarterly lows in Q1, volatility for much of the term structure only went back to levels last seen in Q4 2025.
Nicholas Letica: It's worth noting that while there was a substantial increase in volatility off the quarterly lows in Q1, volatility for much of the term structure only went back to levels last seen in Q4 2025. Relative to that timeframe, current coupon spreads finished the quarter slightly tighter than they were then, which reflects the explicit support the sector has received from the administration. In addition to demand from the GSEs, the latest proposals for the Basel III endgame could provide a lift as banks should have more capital to use to purchase MBS and hold mortgage loans, which could reduce securitization rates and RMBS supply. In total, RMBS hedged with swaps possesses good nominal yield with a balanced performance profile, albeit with a key dependency on the direction of volatility. The MSR market remains very well supported with a broad range of buyers.
Nicholas Letica: It's worth noting that while there was a substantial increase in volatility off the quarterly lows in Q1, volatility for much of the term structure only went back to levels last seen in Q4 2025. Relative to that timeframe, current coupon spreads finished the quarter slightly tighter than they were then, which reflects the explicit support the sector has received from the administration. In addition to demand from the GSEs, the latest proposals for the Basel III endgame could provide a lift as banks should have more capital to use to purchase MBS and hold mortgage loans, which could reduce securitization rates and RMBS supply. In total, RMBS hedged with swaps possesses good nominal yield with a balanced performance profile, albeit with a key dependency on the direction of volatility. The MSR market remains very well supported with a broad range of buyers.
Speaker #2: Relative to that timeframe, current coupon spreads finished the quarter slightly tighter than they were then, which reflects the explicit support the sector has received from the administration.
Speaker #2: In addition to demand from the GSEs, the latest proposals for the Basel III endgame could provide a lift, as banks should have more capital to use to purchase MBS and hold mortgage loans, which could reduce securitization rates in RMBS supply.
Speaker #2: In total, RMBS hedge with swaps possesses good nominal yield with a balanced performance profile, albeit with a key dependency on the direction of volatility.
Speaker #2: The MSR marker remains very well supported with a broad range of buyers. We favor the portfolio construction of pairing MSR with RMBS, which we expect will deliver attractive returns over a wide range of market outcomes.
Nicholas Letica: We favor the portfolio construction of pairing MSR with RMBS, which we expect will deliver attractive returns over a wide range of market outcomes. Thank you very much for joining us today, and now we will be happy to take any questions you might have.
Nicholas Letica: We favor the portfolio construction of pairing MSR with RMBS, which we expect will deliver attractive returns over a wide range of market outcomes. Thank you very much for joining us today, and now we will be happy to take any questions you might have.
Speaker #2: Thank you very much for joining us today, and now we will be happy to take any questions you might have.
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Doug Harter: Thanks. Just talking about, you know, kind of the book value performance in the quarter, you know, hoping you could help break that down between the two strategies and kind of how MSR performed and how kind of the hedged agency would have performed, you know, just as we think about those components?
Doug Harter: Thanks. Just talking about, you know, kind of the book value performance in the quarter, you know, hoping you could help break that down between the two strategies and kind of how MSR performed and how kind of the hedged agency would have performed, you know, just as we think about those components?
Speaker #3: Thanks. Just talking about kind of the book value performance in the quarter, hoping you could help break that down between the two strategies and kind of how MSR performed and how kind of the hedged agency would have performed just as we think about those components.
Speaker #4: Hey, Doug. This is Nick. Thank you for that question. It's been a very good one. Over the quarter, we saw our MSR, hedged MSR strategy, performed extremely well over the quarter.
Nicholas Letica: Hey, Doug, this is Nick. Thank you for that question. It's been a very good one. Over the quarter, we saw our MSR, hedged MSR strategy, perform extremely well over the quarter. That was a positive. The hedged securities part of the portfolio was an offset to that. I think, you know, over the quarter there was a fair amount big pickup in both in realized and implied volatility. You know, convexity hedging costs over the quarter, you know, were definitely a pickup from the prior quarter.
Nicholas Letica: Hey, Doug, this is Nick. Thank you for that question. It's been a very good one. Over the quarter, we saw our MSR, hedged MSR strategy, perform extremely well over the quarter. That was a positive. The hedged securities part of the portfolio was an offset to that. I think, you know, over the quarter there was a fair amount big pickup in both in realized and implied volatility. You know, convexity hedging costs over the quarter, you know, were definitely a pickup from the prior quarter.
Speaker #4: That was a positive. The hedged securities part of the portfolio was an offset to that. I think over the quarter, there was a fair amount, big pickup in both in realized and applied volatility, convexity hedging costs over the quarter were definitely a pickup from the prior quarter.
Nicholas Letica: If you look at the, anecdotally, if you just look at the, you know, basis points traveled or the range that the market traded in in terms of, you know, the 10-year, you definitely would see, you know, a pickup that would make sense in that context. It was a better quarter for hedged MSR versus hedged securities. The one thing I will say is, you know, in terms of like, you know, relative performance among the REITs, and I saw the comment you made in your note about us last night. You know, I would say there are 2 things. First of all, you know, we have generally a higher expense base.
Speaker #4: And if you look at the anecdotally, if you just look at the basis points traveled or the range that the market traded in in terms of the 10-year you definitely would see a pickup that would make sense in that context.
Nicholas Letica: If you look at the, anecdotally, if you just look at the, you know, basis points traveled or the range that the market traded in in terms of, you know, the 10-year, you definitely would see, you know, a pickup that would make sense in that context. It was a better quarter for hedged MSR versus hedged securities. The one thing I will say is, you know, in terms of like, you know, relative performance among the REITs, and I saw the comment you made in your note about us last night. You know, I would say there are 2 things. First of all, you know, we have generally a higher expense base.
Speaker #4: So it was a better quarter for hedged MSR versus hedged securities. The one thing I will say is in terms of relative performance among the REITs, and I saw the comment you made in your note about us last night, I would say there are two things.
Speaker #4: First of all, we have generally a higher expense base, so when you actually I think if you looked at the portfolio in isolation, relative to other REIT portfolios, I think on a comparative basis, it probably looked pretty favorable.
Nicholas Letica: You know, when you actually I think if you looked at the portfolio in isolation relative to other REIT portfolios, I think on a comparative basis it'd probably look pretty favorable. A higher expense base because of our servicing business is an offset to that relative to some peers. The other part of it is that, you know, unlike other peers, you know, peers that had raised equity over the quarter and had some accretion, relative, owing to the fact they're trading over book value and some of that adds to their performance. I think with those adjustments, I think that the portfolio performance would actually look relatively favorable, if that makes sense.
Nicholas Letica: You know, when you actually I think if you looked at the portfolio in isolation relative to other REIT portfolios, I think on a comparative basis it'd probably look pretty favorable. A higher expense base because of our servicing business is an offset to that relative to some peers. The other part of it is that, you know, unlike other peers, you know, peers that had raised equity over the quarter and had some accretion, relative, owing to the fact they're trading over book value and some of that adds to their performance. I think with those adjustments, I think that the portfolio performance would actually look relatively favorable, if that makes sense.
Speaker #4: The expense a higher expense base because of our servicing business is an offset to that relative to some peers. And the other part of it is that unlike other peers, peers that had raised equity over the quarter and had some accretion relative owing to the fact they're trading over book value and some of that adds to their performance, I think with those adjustments, I think that the portfolio performance would actually look relatively favorable, if that makes sense.
Doug Harter: That does. I appreciate that clarity, Nick. Thank you.
Doug Harter: That does. I appreciate that clarity, Nick. Thank you.
Speaker #3: That does. I appreciate that clarity, Nick. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Of course.
Nicholas Letica: Of course.
Nicholas Letica: Of course.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Doug. Congratulations on the new role.
William Greenberg: Thanks, Doug. Congratulations on the new role.
William Greenberg: Thanks, Doug. Congratulations on the new role.
Speaker #1: And we'll go next to Bose George with KBW.
Operator 2: We'll go next to Bose George with KBW.
Operator: We'll go next to Bose George with KBW.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Bose George: Hey, guys. Good morning. Can we get an update on your book value quarter to date?
Bose George: Hey, guys. Good morning. Can we get an update on your book value quarter to date?
Speaker #7: Hey, guys. Good morning. Can we get an update on your book value quarter-to-date?
Speaker #4: Hey, Bose. This is Nick. We're up about 2%.
Nicholas Letica: Hey, Bose, this is Nick. We're up about 2%.
Nicholas Letica: Hey, Bose, this is Nick. We're up about 2%.
Speaker #7: Okay. Great. Thanks. And then not sure if you can answer this, but in terms of the merger, is the situation with UWM over, or does that remain kind of live until the shareholder vote?
Bose George: Okay, great. Thanks. You know, not sure if you can answer this, but in terms of the merger, is the situation with UWM over, or does that remain kind of live until the shareholder vote?
Bose George: Okay, great. Thanks. You know, not sure if you can answer this, but in terms of the merger, is the situation with UWM over, or does that remain kind of live until the shareholder vote?
Speaker #5: Well, as we disclosed last night, we executed a revised merger agreement with CCM. Right? We're working through the process in terms of getting that merger to completion.
William Greenberg: Well, as we disclosed last night, you know, we executed a revised merger agreement with CCM, right? We're working through the process in terms of getting that merger to completion. There is a shareholder vote which is scheduled for 19 May. We're excited about that transaction, and we're focused on doing everything we can in order to bring that to completion.
William Greenberg: Well, as we disclosed last night, you know, we executed a revised merger agreement with CCM, right? We're working through the process in terms of getting that merger to completion. There is a shareholder vote which is scheduled for 19 May. We're excited about that transaction, and we're focused on doing everything we can in order to bring that to completion.
Speaker #5: There is a shareholder vote, which is scheduled for May 19th. And we're excited about that transaction, and we're focused on doing everything we can in order to bring that to completion.
Speaker #7: Okay. Great. But yeah. Okay. No. I guess that's good. I was just curious. There's still room for bids until the vote happens. Is that a fair statement?
Bose George: Okay, great. Yeah, okay. No, I guess that's good. I was just curious. There is still room for bids until the vote happens. Is that a fair statement?
Bose George: Okay, great. Yeah, okay. No, I guess that's good. I was just curious. There is still room for bids until the vote happens. Is that a fair statement?
Speaker #5: The merger agreement's very, very prescribed and lays out the details and the circumstances for how someone should do that if they were so interested.
William Greenberg: The merger agreement's very, very prescribed and lays out the details and the circumstances for how someone should do that if they were so interested.
William Greenberg: The merger agreement's very, very prescribed and lays out the details and the circumstances for how someone should do that if they were so interested.
Speaker #7: Okay. Great. Thanks a lot.
Bose George: Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
Bose George: Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
William Greenberg: Thank you.
William Greenberg: Thank you.
Speaker #1: We'll take our next question from Jason Weaver with Jones Trading.
Operator 2: We'll take our next question from Jason Weaver with Jones Trading.
Operator: Wtye'll take our next question from Jason Weaver with Jones Trading.
Speaker #8: Hey. Good morning, guys. This is Val and Alvar here filling in for Jason Weaver. Just had a quick one for you. Can you walk us through the financing package supporting the $11.30 cash consideration?
Val Albar: Hey, good morning, guys. This is Val Albar here filling in for Jason Weaver. Just had a quick one for you. Can you walk us through the financing package supporting the $11.30 cash consideration, whether it's debt sponsored, private equity, internal cash? Also whether the merger agreement contains a financing condition or a Market MAC carve-out tied to book value per share, mortgage spreads, or like rate volatility at close? Thanks.
Valen Alvar: Hey, good morning, guys. This is Valen Alvar here filling in for Jason Weaver. Just had a quick one for you. Can you walk us through the financing package supporting the $11.30 cash consideration, whether it's debt sponsored, private equity, internal cash? Also whether the merger agreement contains a financing condition or a Market MAC carve-out tied to book value per share, mortgage spreads, or like rate volatility at close? Thanks.
Speaker #8: Whether it's debt, sponsored, private equity, internal cash, and also whether the merger agreement contains a financing condition or a market MAC carve-out tied to book value per share mortgage spreads or a rate volatility MAC close.
Speaker #8: Thanks.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Thanks for the question. And I appreciate it. As you might expect, everything that is disclosable has been disclosed in the merger agreements, which is filed publicly.
William Greenberg: Yeah, thanks for the question. I appreciate it. As you might expect, you know, everything that is disclosable is, has been disclosed in the merger agreement, which is filed publicly. I would refer you to that document to answer some of your questions.
William Greenberg: Yeah, thanks for the question. I appreciate it. As you might expect, you know, everything that is disclosable is, has been disclosed in the merger agreement, which is filed publicly. I would refer you to that document to answer some of your questions.
Speaker #5: So I would refer you to that document to answer some of your questions.
Speaker #8: Okay. Great. Okay. Good. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Val Albar: Okay, great. That's good. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Valen Alvar: Okay, great. That's good. Thank you. Appreciate it.
Speaker #5: Yeah. Thank you.
William Greenberg: Yeah. Thank you.
William Greenberg: Yeah. Thank you.
Speaker #9: And at this time, there are no further questions. I'll turn the call back to the speakers for any additional or closing remarks.
Operator 2: At this time, there are no further questions. I'll turn the call back to the speakers for any additional or closing remarks.
Operator: At this time, there are no further questions. I'll turn the call back to the speakers for any additional or closing remarks.
Speaker #5: I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. And as always, thank you for your interest in Two Harbors.
William Greenberg: I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. As always, thank you for your interest in Two Harbors.
William Greenberg: I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. As always, thank you for your interest in Two Harbors.
Operator 2: This does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation.
Operator: This does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation.