Q3 2026 Micron Technology Inc Post-Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us, and welcome to Micron's post-earnings analyst call. After the speaker presentation, we will host a question-and-answer session.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us, and welcome to Micron's post-earnings analyst call. After the speaker presentation, we will host a question and answer session. I will now hand the conference over to Satya Kumar, Corporate Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Satya, please go ahead.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us, and welcome to Micron's post-earnings analyst call. After the speaker presentation, we will host a question and answer session. I will now hand the conference over to Satya Kumar, Corporate Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Satya, please go ahead.
Speaker #1: I will now hand the conference over to Sacha Kumar, Corporate Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Sacha, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you, and welcome to Micron Technology's fiscal third quarter 2026 post-earnings analyst call. On the call with me today are Sumit Sadana, Micron's Chief Business Officer; Manish Bhatia, EVP of Global Operations; and Mark Murphy, our CFO.
Satya Kumar: Thank you. Welcome to Micron Technology's fiscal Q3 2026 post-earnings analyst call. On the call with me today are Sumit Sadana, Micron's Chief Business Officer, Manish Bhatia, EVP of Global Operations, and Mark Murphy, our CFO. As a reminder, the matters we are discussing today include forward-looking statements regarding market demand and supply, market trends and drivers, and our expected results and guidance, and other matters. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made today. We refer to documents we have filed with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10-K and upcoming Form 10-Q, for a discussion of risks that may affect our results. Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity, performance, and achievement.
Satya Kumar: Thank you. Welcome to Micron Technology's fiscal Q3 2026 post-earnings analyst call. On the call with me today are Sumit Sadana, Micron's Chief Business Officer, Manish Bhatia, EVP of Global Operations, and Mark Murphy, our CFO. As a reminder, the matters we are discussing today include forward-looking statements regarding market demand and supply, market trends and drivers, and our expected results and guidance, and other matters. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made today. We refer to documents we have filed with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10-K and upcoming Form 10-Q, for a discussion of risks that may affect our results. Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity, performance, and achievement.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, the matters we're discussing today include forward-looking statements regarding market demand and supply, market trends and drivers, our expected results and guidance, and other related matters.
Speaker #2: These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made today. We refer to documents we have filed with, including our most recent Form 10-K and upcoming Form 10-Q, for a discussion of risks that may affect our results.
Speaker #2: Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity, performance, or achievements.
Speaker #3: We are under no duty to update any of the forward-looking statements that inform these statements to actual results. We can now open up the call for Q&A.
Satya Kumar: We are under no duty to update any of the forward-looking statements that inform these statements to actual results. We can now open up the call for Q&A.
Satya Kumar: We are under no duty to update any of the forward-looking statements that inform these statements to actual results. We can now open up the call for Q&A.
Speaker #1: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again.
Operator: We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. Your first question comes from the line of Ben Reitzes of Melius Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. Your first question comes from the line of Ben Reitzes of Melius Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Your first question comes from the line of Ben Reitzes of Melius Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Hey, thanks a lot. It's great to be speaking with you. Mark, I'm looking at the numbers here for the next quarter, right? And free cash flow is going to be somewhere around $30 billion-plus.
Ben Reitzes: Hey, thanks a lot. It's great to be speaking with you. Mark, looking at the numbers here for the next quarter, free cash flow is going to be somewhere around $30 billion plus. I just want to make sure, really, the buy side and investors understand what you're saying here with regard to cash return. You're saying 100% will go back to shareholders. I assume the vast majority of that is in buyback. If you go from $30 billion in free cash flow and grow it, you could buy back 10% of the company next calendar year. Just basically if we say that something close to this quarter is what you do next year. Are you prepared to do that and buy back at that level? I just want to have you react to the math and the commentary.
Ben Reitzes: Hey, thanks a lot. It's great to be speaking with you. Mark, looking at the numbers here for the next quarter, free cash flow is going to be somewhere around $30 billion plus. I just want to make sure, really, the buy side and investors understand what you're saying here with regard to cash return. You're saying 100% will go back to shareholders. I assume the vast majority of that is in buyback. If you go from $30 billion in free cash flow and grow it, you could buy back 10% of the company next calendar year. Just basically if we say that something close to this quarter is what you do next year. Are you prepared to do that and buy back at that level? I just want to have you react to the math and the commentary.
Speaker #3: I just want to make sure we're really the buy side, and investors understand what you're saying here with regard to cash return. So, you're saying 100% will go back to shareholders.
Speaker #3: I assume the vast majority of that is in buybacks. I mean, if you go from $30 billion in free cash flow and grow it, you could buy back 10% of the company next calendar year.
Speaker #3: Just basically, if we say that something close to this quarter is what you do next year, are you prepared to do that and buy back at that level?
Speaker #3: I just want to have you kind of react to the math and the commentary. At a $1.2 trillion market cap, that's where it is.
Ben Reitzes: At a $1.2 trillion market cap, that's where it is, 10% of the company. I just want to make sure that you can react to that. Thanks.
Ben Reitzes: At a $1.2 trillion market cap, that's where it is, 10% of the company. I just want to make sure that you can react to that. Thanks.
Speaker #3: 10% of the company. And I just want to make sure that you can react to that. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Sure, Ben, and thanks for the question. We're really pleased with the financial trajectory of the business. The combination of memory being so important to so many markets—AI, data center, the edge—enabling this, or helping enable this technology revolution we have underway.
Mark Murphy: Sure, Ben, thanks for the question. We're really pleased with the financial trajectory of the business. The combination of memory being so important to so many markets, AI data center, the edge, helping enable this technology revolution we have underway. Yeah. When we've got between our technology products and manufacturing performance, we are delivering record cash flow numbers. The last two quarters, we've generated as much as in much of the company's history. We expect, as you point out, that that cash flow growth will increase in the Q4. We've paid down quite a bit of debt over the past year. Cash will build, and we will maintain levels of cash that we feel comfortable that we can invest through all seasons in the business.
Mark Murphy: Sure, Ben, thanks for the question. We're really pleased with the financial trajectory of the business. The combination of memory being so important to so many markets, AI data center, the edge, helping enable this technology revolution we have underway. Yeah. When we've got between our technology products and manufacturing performance, we are delivering record cash flow numbers. The last two quarters, we've generated as much as in much of the company's history. We expect, as you point out, that that cash flow growth will increase in the Q4. We've paid down quite a bit of debt over the past year. Cash will build, and we will maintain levels of cash that we feel comfortable that we can invest through all seasons in the business.
Speaker #4: And we've got, between our technology products and manufacturing performance, we are delivering record cash flow numbers. In the last two quarters, we've generated as much as in much of the company's history.
Speaker #4: So and we expect as you point out, that that cash flow growth will increase in the fourth quarter. We're going to we've paid down quite a bit of debt over the past year.
Speaker #4: And there's cash flow build. We will maintain levels of cash that we feel comfortable with so that we can invest through all seasons in the business.
Speaker #4: But as you heard today, we feel good about the durability of the performance of the business, given the secular growth demand drivers, the need for more and higher-performance memory, and the structural supply challenges that we've talked about over the last couple of years.
Mark Murphy: As you heard today, we feel good about the durability of the performance of the business, given the secular demand drivers, the need for more and higher performance memory, the structural supply challenges that we've talked about the last couple of years, node migration yielding less, HBM soaking up more wafers, and the need for greenfield for incremental wafer capacity. We have these Strategic Customer Agreements, which we announced today, a meaningful number of these, and we expect more. We will hold what we believe is appropriate excess cash. We've always said that we intend to grow the dividend over time. You saw us do a 30% increase recently. The principal capital return we have will be share repurchase.
Mark Murphy: As you heard today, we feel good about the durability of the performance of the business, given the secular demand drivers, the need for more and higher performance memory, the structural supply challenges that we've talked about the last couple of years, node migration yielding less, HBM soaking up more wafers, and the need for greenfield for incremental wafer capacity. We have these Strategic Customer Agreements, which we announced today, a meaningful number of these, and we expect more. We will hold what we believe is appropriate excess cash. We've always said that we intend to grow the dividend over time. You saw us do a 30% increase recently. The principal capital return we have will be share repurchase.
Speaker #4: Slower node migration, or node migration yielding less; HBM soaking up more wafers and the need for greenfield for incremental wafer capacity. So, and then we have these strategic customer agreements, which we announced today—a meaningful number of these.
Speaker #4: So, and we expect more. So we will hold what we believe is appropriate excess cash. And then, we've always said that we intend to grow the dividend over time.
Speaker #4: You saw us do a 30% increase recently. But the principal capital return we have will be share repurchase. I said today in the prepared remarks that we intend to increase our capital return from December 9, which is the second anniversary of our CHIPS agreement signature.
Mark Murphy: I said today in the prepared remarks that we intend to increase our capital return from 9 December, which is the second anniversary of our CHIPS agreement signature. The rate and pace from there we'll determine based on a number of factors. Absolutely committed to capital return.
Mark Murphy: I said today in the prepared remarks that we intend to increase our capital return from 9 December, which is the second anniversary of our CHIPS agreement signature. The rate and pace from there we'll determine based on a number of factors. Absolutely committed to capital return.
Speaker #4: And the rate and pace from there will be determined based on a number of factors. But we are absolutely committed to capital return.
Speaker #3: Thanks. Do you think I can sneak in one more? And just with regard to and we're really pleased to see 40% and eventually half of your business on SCAs.
Ben Reitzes: Thanks. You think I can sneak in one more. We're really pleased to see 40% and eventually half of your business on SCAs. I cover Apple, and they've never made a comment basically that they're willing to pay full price for a component and pass it through to customers ever publicly. To me, it was an advertisement that they are open for business for full price DRAM. Let's put it that way. Are you tempted to do a lot more in DRAM? Given these conditions, do we think that there's an appetite for maybe a higher mix than expected of DRAM, which obviously would then keep maybe some of the SCAs lower, but for very good reason? Thanks.
Ben Reitzes: Thanks. You think I can sneak in one more. We're really pleased to see 40% and eventually half of your business on SCAs. I cover Apple, and they've never made a comment basically that they're willing to pay full price for a component and pass it through to customers ever publicly. To me, it was an advertisement that they are open for business for full price DRAM. Let's put it that way. Are you tempted to do a lot more in DRAM? Given these conditions, do we think that there's an appetite for maybe a higher mix than expected of DRAM, which obviously would then keep maybe some of the SCAs lower, but for very good reason? Thanks.
Speaker #3: But I cover Apple, and they've never made a comment that they're willing to pay full price for a component and pass it through to customers, ever publicly.
Speaker #3: And to me, it was an advertisement that they are open for business for full-price DRAM. Let's put it that way. Are you tempted to do a lot more in DRAM, given these conditions?
Speaker #3: Do we think that there’s an appetite for a much—maybe a higher mix than expected—of DRAM? Which obviously would then keep, maybe, some of the SCAs lower.
Speaker #3: But for very good reason. Thanks.
Speaker #5: Yeah. So, Ben, when you say "higher mix of DRAM," do you mean versus what?
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. Ben, when you say higher mix of DRAM, you mean versus what?
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. Ben, when you say higher mix of DRAM, you mean versus what?
Speaker #3: Well, versus HBM, versus NAND, whatever you're making decisions around. I mean, DRAM—commodity DRAM—to consumers would certainly not be on SCAs as much as a hyperscaler would, I would think.
Ben Reitzes: Well, versus HBM, versus NAND, whatever you're making decisions around. Commodity DRAM to consumer would certainly not be on SCAs as much as a hyperscaler would, I would think.
Ben Reitzes: Well, versus HBM, versus NAND, whatever you're making decisions around. Commodity DRAM to consumer would certainly not be on SCAs as much as a hyperscaler would, I would think.
Speaker #5: Yeah, so just a couple of thoughts around that. As you know, our mix in our business between DRAM (including HBM) and NAND tends to oscillate between about 80% DRAM and 20% NAND, to maybe 75% DRAM and 25% NAND. It's generally within that tight range.
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. Just a couple of thoughts around that. As you know, our mix in our business of DRAM versus NAND, DRAM inclusive of HBM, tends to be oscillating between the 80% DRAM, 20% NAND, to maybe 75% DRAM, 20% NAND, is in that type range. We are pretty comfortable with that mix of DRAM versus NAND. We intend to obviously focus on and service customers in both of those product categories. As it relates to HBM, we have made a strategic decision that we have also communicated over time that our goal is to have our HBM share consistent over time with our DRAM share. Our intention is that we support our customers on HBM and also support our customers on the non-HBM portion of the DRAM business across all market segments, right? We definitely believe in the strength of diversity.
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. Just a couple of thoughts around that. As you know, our mix in our business of DRAM versus NAND, DRAM inclusive of HBM, tends to be oscillating between the 80% DRAM, 20% NAND, to maybe 75% DRAM, 20% NAND, is in that type range. We are pretty comfortable with that mix of DRAM versus NAND. We intend to obviously focus on and service customers in both of those product categories. As it relates to HBM, we have made a strategic decision that we have also communicated over time that our goal is to have our HBM share consistent over time with our DRAM share. Our intention is that we support our customers on HBM and also support our customers on the non-HBM portion of the DRAM business across all market segments, right? We definitely believe in the strength of diversity.
Speaker #5: And we are pretty comfortable with that mix of DRAM versus NAND. We intend to, obviously, focus on and service customers in both of those product categories.
Speaker #5: And as it relates to HBM, we have made a strategic decision that we have also communicated over time: that our goal is to have our HBM share consistent over time with our DRAM share.
Speaker #5: And so our intention is that we support our customers on HBM, and also support our customers on the non-HBM portion of the DRAM business across all market segments, right?
Speaker #5: We definitely believe in the strength of diversity, and if you look at the AEBU business and the MCBU business, both of which are non–data center businesses in our business unit structure, that's almost 40% of our company revenue.
Sumit Sadana: If you look at the AEBU business and the NCBU business, both of which are non-data center businesses in our business unit structure, that is almost 40% of our company revenue. We like that diversity, and we continue to focus on ensuring that we are servicing customers and their demand, and supporting their growth, across all of the market segments, including non-HBM DRAM, HBM, as well as NAND.
Sumit Sadana: If you look at the AEBU business and the NCBU business, both of which are non-data center businesses in our business unit structure, that is almost 40% of our company revenue. We like that diversity, and we continue to focus on ensuring that we are servicing customers and their demand, and supporting their growth, across all of the market segments, including non-HBM DRAM, HBM, as well as NAND.
Speaker #5: So we like that diversity, and we continue to focus on ensuring that we are servicing customers and their demand, supporting their growth across all of the market segments, including non-HBM DRAM, HBM, as well as NAND.
Speaker #3: Got it. Thanks a lot. Great call.
Ben Reitzes: Got it. Thanks a lot. Great quarter.
Ben Reitzes: Got it. Thanks a lot. Great quarter.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
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Speaker #2: Your next question comes from the line of Harlan Sir with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Good afternoon. Thanks for hosting this callback. I think it was September of last year when the Micron team said that they were booked out through calendar 2026 on HBM3, HBM3E.
Harlan Sur: Good afternoon. Thanks for hosting this call back. I think it was September of last year when the Micron team said that they were booked out through calendar 2026 on HBM3, HBM3E. Obviously at that time, the team was still in qual and eval on HBM4. If you fast-forward to now, and with a stronger, especially XPU ASIC demand profile, is the team already booked up volume and pricing for HBM3E and HBM4 for calendar 2027? Obviously, understand you still need to go through qual on HBM4E, but are you booked up on current gen HBM3E and HBM4 for calendar 2027?
Harlan Sur: Good afternoon. Thanks for hosting this call back. I think it was September of last year when the Micron team said that they were booked out through calendar 2026 on HBM3, HBM3E. Obviously at that time, the team was still in qual and eval on HBM4. If you fast-forward to now, and with a stronger, especially XPU ASIC demand profile, is the team already booked up volume and pricing for HBM3E and HBM4 for calendar 2027? Obviously, understand you still need to go through qual on HBM4E, but are you booked up on current gen HBM3E and HBM4 for calendar 2027?
Speaker #6: Obviously, at that time, the team was still in qual and eval on HBM 4. But if you fast forward to now and with a stronger, especially XPU ASIC demand profile, is the team already booked up volume and pricing for HBM 3E and HBM 4 for calendar 27?
Speaker #6: Obviously, I understand you still need to go through qual on HBM4E, but are you booked up on current-gen HBM3E and HBM4 for calendar 2027?
Speaker #5: Yeah. Hi, Harlan. The demand that we have for HBM, our HBM products—HBM3E, HBM4, and, of course, even ahead of the HBM4E quals—the asks from our customers for volume not just in '27, but, as you know, due to these SCA agreements, we have been discussing. One huge advantage of these SCA agreements is we have been discussing these demand requests from customers for a multi-year time horizon.
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. Hi, Harlan. The demand that we have for our HBM products, HBM3E, HBM4, and of course, even ahead of the HBM4E quals,
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. Hi, Harlan. The demand that we have for our HBM products, HBM3E, HBM4, and of course, even ahead of the HBM4E quals,
Sumit Sadana: Asks from our customers for volume, not just in 2027, as you know, due to these SCA agreements, one huge advantage of these SCA agreements is we have been discussing these demand requests from customers for multiyear time horizon. If we look at this multiyear time horizon, even going beyond 2027, into 2028, et cetera, we are able to get very high confidence demand from our customers that is far in excess of our ability to support using our supply. The demand continues to be well above our supply. Even when we do these SCAs for multiple years, these SCAs contain volumes that are less than customers would actually like to sign up for. In fact, in a lot of these negotiations, we spend a lot of time helping customers understand that this is all we can do in this timeframe.
Sumit Sadana: Asks from our customers for volume, not just in 2027, as you know, due to these SCA agreements, one huge advantage of these SCA agreements is we have been discussing these demand requests from customers for multiyear time horizon. If we look at this multiyear time horizon, even going beyond 2027, into 2028, et cetera, we are able to get very high confidence demand from our customers that is far in excess of our ability to support using our supply. The demand continues to be well above our supply. Even when we do these SCAs for multiple years, these SCAs contain volumes that are less than customers would actually like to sign up for. In fact, in a lot of these negotiations, we spend a lot of time helping customers understand that this is all we can do in this timeframe.
Speaker #5: So if we look at this multi-year time horizon, even going beyond 2027 into 2028, for example, we are able to get very high-confidence demand from our customers that is far in excess of our ability to support using our supply.
Speaker #5: So the demand continues to be well above our supply. Even when we do these SCAs, for multiple years, these SCAs contain volumes that are less than customers would actually like to sign up for.
Speaker #5: And in fact, in a lot of these negotiations, we spend a lot of time helping customers understand that this is all we can do in this time frame.
Speaker #5: And so, absolutely, our demand for HBM—not just in '27, but even '28—is well above our ability to supply, across all the different HBM flavors.
Sumit Sadana: Absolutely, our demand for HBM, not just in 2027 but even 2028, is well above our ability to supply across all the different HBM flavors. The same thing is also true, by the way, for non-HBM DRAM as well. It's in the same category.
Sumit Sadana: Absolutely, our demand for HBM, not just in 2027 but even 2028, is well above our ability to supply across all the different HBM flavors. The same thing is also true, by the way, for non-HBM DRAM as well. It's in the same category.
Speaker #5: And it's also true—the same thing is also true, by the way, for non-HBM DRAM as well. It's in the same category.
Speaker #3: Hey Harlan, it's Mark. Maybe just something to add while we're on HBM. So, today we indicated that we expect market tightness to continue beyond '27.
Mark Murphy: Hey, Harlan, it's Mark.
Mark Murphy: Hey, Harlan, it's Mark.
Harlan Sur: Hi.
Harlan Sur: Hi.
Harlan Sur: Maybe just something to add while we're on HBM. Today we indicated that we expected market tightness to continue beyond 2027. Part of that reason is we did see the HBM TAM increase. We saw that. We had said previously that it would cross $100 billion in 2028. We see that now, the HBM TAM easily crossing $100 billion in 2027.
Mark Murphy: Maybe just something to add while we're on HBM. Today we indicated that we expected market tightness to continue beyond 2027. Part of that reason is we did see the HBM TAM increase. We saw that. We had said previously that it would cross $100 billion in 2028. We see that now, the HBM TAM easily crossing $100 billion in 2027.
Speaker #3: And part of that reason is we did see the HBM TAM increase. We saw that. We had said previously that it would cross $100 billion in '28.
Speaker #3: We see that now. The HBM TAM is easily crossing $100 billion in '27.
Speaker #6: That's great color. No, thank you for that. The other thing I wanted to ask is, it's actually been over a year since the team has given us an update.
Harlan Sur: That's great color. No, thank you for that. The other thing I wanted to ask is, it's actually been over a year since the team has given us an update on your midterm to long-term view on industry DRAM and NAND bit demand growth. Obviously, much has changed over the past 12 months. Inferencing workloads have crossed over training workloads. Inferencing workloads themselves continue to evolve and become more complex. On the server CPU side, the CPU customers are now forecasting 30% to 40% per year CAGRs given agentics like higher CPU intensity. I'm sure the mid to long-term bit demand CAGR is also sort of guiding your discussions on these multi-year SCAs. Could you guys just give us an update on your midterm views on DRAM and NAND bit demand CAGRs over the next, call it, few years?
Harlan Sur: That's great color. No, thank you for that. The other thing I wanted to ask is, it's actually been over a year since the team has given us an update on your midterm to long-term view on industry DRAM and NAND bit demand growth. Obviously, much has changed over the past 12 months. Inferencing workloads have crossed over training workloads. Inferencing workloads themselves continue to evolve and become more complex. On the server CPU side, the CPU customers are now forecasting 30% to 40% per year CAGRs given agentics like higher CPU intensity. I'm sure the mid to long-term bit demand CAGR is also sort of guiding your discussions on these multi-year SCAs. Could you guys just give us an update on your midterm views on DRAM and NAND bit demand CAGRs over the next, call it, few years?
Speaker #6: On your midterm to long-term view on industry DRAM and NAND bit demand growth: obviously, much has changed over the past 12 months influencing workloads. We’ve crossed over from training workloads, which are now influencing workloads themselves.
Speaker #6: Continue to evolve and become more complex. And then, on the server CPU side, your CPU customers are now forecasting something like 30% to 40% per year CAGRs, given dynamics like higher CPU intensity.
Speaker #6: I'm sure the mid- to long-term bit demand CAGR is also sort of guiding your discussions on these multi-year SCAs. So, could you guys just give us an update on your midterm views on DRAM and NAND bit demand CAGRs over the next, call it, few years?
Speaker #5: That's a good question. We have provided some updates to you on how we see 2026 bit demand. Forecasts have changed compared to what we had provided earlier.
Sumit Sadana: That's a good question. We have provided some updates to you on how we see 2026 bit demand forecasts change versus what we had provided earlier, with DRAM forecasts up a little bit, NAND relatively similar. The reason we are not really providing a lot of forward-looking views on the CAGRs is because for the foreseeable future, the shipment growth for bits is not really determined by demand anymore. It's actually more determined by the supply. The demand is so much above the industry's ability to supply, that the supply growth, in fact, is going to determine how the shipment growth occurs far less. The demand grows because of its relative position with the supply. Because of that, we are trying to point out what kind of growth trajectory.
Sumit Sadana: That's a good question. We have provided some updates to you on how we see 2026 bit demand forecasts change versus what we had provided earlier, with DRAM forecasts up a little bit, NAND relatively similar. The reason we are not really providing a lot of forward-looking views on the CAGRs is because for the foreseeable future, the shipment growth for bits is not really determined by demand anymore. It's actually more determined by the supply. The demand is so much above the industry's ability to supply, that the supply growth, in fact, is going to determine how the shipment growth occurs far less. The demand grows because of its relative position with the supply. Because of that, we are trying to point out what kind of growth trajectory.
Speaker #5: With DRAM forecasts up a little bit, NAND relatively similar, the reason we are not really providing a lot of forward-looking views on the CAGRs is because, for the foreseeable future, the bit demand—the shipment growth for bits—is not really determined by demand anymore.
Speaker #5: It's actually more determined by the supply, because the demand is so much above the industry's ability to supply that the supply growth, in fact, is going to determine how the shipment growth occurs.
Speaker #5: Far less. So, the demand growth, because of its relative position versus supply—so, because of that, we are trying to point out what kind of growth trajectory we believe. We give you some kind of data points here and there around how we think this year's supply growth or demand growth is going to be next year.
Sumit Sadana: We believe we give you some kind of data points here and there around how we think this year's supply growth or demand growth is.
Sumit Sadana: We believe we give you some kind of data points here and there around how we think this year's supply growth or demand growth is to be next year. We are not providing sort of an outlook too much further down because how the supply conditions change, we are continuing to constantly evaluate. Our expectations that the supply growth will continue to remain short of what is needed to meet the demand. We don't really see when the supply is going to be able to meet demand. That is not something we are able to project at this time.
Sumit Sadana: to be next year.
Speaker #5: But we are not providing sort of an outlook too much further down because, as the supply conditions change, we are continuing to constantly evaluate, with our expectations that the supply growth will continue to remain short of what is needed to meet the demand.
Sumit Sadana: We are not providing sort of an outlook too much further down because how the supply conditions change, we are continuing to constantly evaluate. Our expectations that the supply growth will continue to remain short of what is needed to meet the demand. We don't really see when the supply is going to be able to meet demand. That is not something we are able to project at this time.
Speaker #5: We don't really see when the supply is going to be able to meet demand. That is not something we are able to project at this time.
Speaker #6: Got it. No, thank you.
Harlan Sur: Got it. No, thank you.
Harlan Sur: Got it. No, thank you.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Question. I just wanted to go back to the long-term agreements that you were signing, and just— is there any way to kind of walk us through what happens if a customer was to cancel the agreement?
Tom O'Malley: Question. I just wanted to go back to the long-term agreements that you were signing. Is there any way to kind of walk us through what happens if a customer was to cancel an agreement? What financial hooks do you have in it? Do you get to keep all the cash from the agreement? Any color that you can add there would be helpful.
Tom O'Malley: Question. I just wanted to go back to the long-term agreements that you were signing. Is there any way to kind of walk us through what happens if a customer was to cancel an agreement? What financial hooks do you have in it? Do you get to keep all the cash from the agreement? Any color that you can add there would be helpful.
Speaker #3: What financial hooks do you have in it? Do you get to keep all of the cash from the agreement? Just any color that you can add there would be helpful.
Speaker #5: Sure. I'll start by saying that these strategic customer agreements, or SCAs, cannot be canceled. There is no provision in this agreement to enable the customer, or allow a customer, to walk away from this agreement.
Sumit Sadana: Sure. I'll start by saying that these Strategic Customer Agreements or SCAs cannot be canceled. There is no provision in this agreement to enable a customer or allow a customer to walk away from this agreement. These are designed to be take or pay agreements. Outside of automotive, generally these are five-year agreements. There are annual volume commitments for each of those years. The take or pay means that whether they want to purchase these bits or not, they are obligated to pay for the price times the volume. The price itself for a lot of these large agreements has a price band. There is a price ceiling and a price floor. The price gets negotiated every quarter based on market conditions. The price cannot exceed the ceiling, no matter what, cannot go below the floor, no matter what.
Sumit Sadana: Sure. I'll start by saying that these Strategic Customer Agreements or SCAs cannot be canceled. There is no provision in this agreement to enable a customer or allow a customer to walk away from this agreement. These are designed to be take or pay agreements. Outside of automotive, generally these are five-year agreements. There are annual volume commitments for each of those years. The take or pay means that whether they want to purchase these bits or not, they are obligated to pay for the price times the volume. The price itself for a lot of these large agreements has a price band. There is a price ceiling and a price floor. The price gets negotiated every quarter based on market conditions. The price cannot exceed the ceiling, no matter what, cannot go below the floor, no matter what.
Speaker #5: These are designed to be take-or-pay agreements. Outside of automotive, generally, these are five-year agreements. There are annual volume commitments for each of those years.
Speaker #5: And the take-or-pay means that, whether they want to purchase the bits or not, they are obligated to pay for the price times the volume.
Speaker #5: The price itself for a lot of these large agreements has a price band—there is a price ceiling and a price floor. The price gets negotiated every quarter.
Speaker #5: Based on market conditions, the price cannot exceed the ceiling, no matter what, and cannot go below the floor, no matter what. Consequently, the value of these agreements can be readily determined. There are also premiums in the agreement for products that may be more sophisticated, offer higher performance, or have higher capacities.
Sumit Sadana: Consequently, the value of these agreements can be readily determined. There are also premiums in the agreement for products that may be more sophisticated, higher performance, higher capacities, on newer products like for example, when we do LPDDR6 versus LPDDR5 or DDR6 versus DDR5 or a new version of HBM, then there are provisions for those products to be priced differently at a premium to the existing products. We have all of those provisions, but the one provision that doesn't exist is any customer's ability to walk away from these agreements.
Sumit Sadana: Consequently, the value of these agreements can be readily determined. There are also premiums in the agreement for products that may be more sophisticated, higher performance, higher capacities, on newer products like for example, when we do LPDDR6 versus LPDDR5 or DDR6 versus DDR5 or a new version of HBM, then there are provisions for those products to be priced differently at a premium to the existing products. We have all of those provisions, but the one provision that doesn't exist is any customer's ability to walk away from these agreements.
Speaker #5: On newer products, like for example, when we do LP6 versus LP5, or DDR6 versus DDR5, or a new version of HBM, then there are provisions for those products to be priced differently—at a premium to the existing products.
Speaker #5: So we have all of those provisions, but the one provision that doesn't exist is any customer's ability to walk away from these agreements. Now, beyond the take-or-pay related obligations that exist in these agreements and their financial obligations—which are price times volume—there is also this up-front cash deposit that these agreements entail, where customers have provided, in the form of up-front cash deposit and related financial commitments like a letter of credit, for example, for a minority of the total.
Sumit Sadana: Beyond the take or pay related obligations that exist in these agreements and its financial obligations that are price times volume, there is also this upfront cash deposit that these agreements entail where customers have provided, in the form of upfront cash deposit and related financial commitments, like a letter of credit, for example, for the minority of the total, that even for the agreements we have already signed, these 16 agreements aggregates to $22 billion plus in terms of total cash and related financial commitments, of which the cash alone is almost $18 billion.
Sumit Sadana: Beyond the take or pay related obligations that exist in these agreements and its financial obligations that are price times volume, there is also this upfront cash deposit that these agreements entail where customers have provided, in the form of upfront cash deposit and related financial commitments, like a letter of credit, for example, for the minority of the total, that even for the agreements we have already signed, these 16 agreements aggregates to $22 billion plus in terms of total cash and related financial commitments, of which the cash alone is almost $18 billion.
Speaker #5: That even for the agreements we have already signed, these 16 agreements, aggregates to 22 billion dollars plus in terms of total cash and related financial commitments, of which the cash alone is almost 18 billion dollars.
Speaker #5: So you can imagine that when we get to our target number of agreements, which will go from the roughly 20% DRAM bits, roughly a third of NAND bits, all the way to roughly accounting for half of the company’s revenue—which is what we are likely to end up at, or somewhat more—you can imagine that the cash associated with all of those will significantly increase from the current $22 billion number.
Sumit Sadana: You can imagine that when we get to our target number of agreements, which will go from the roughly 20% demand bits, roughly a third of NAND bits all the way to roughly accounting for half of the company's revenue, which is what we are likely to end up at, or somewhat more. You can imagine that the cash associated with all of those will significantly increase from the current $22 billion number. That cash is our customers' commitment to this new business model. That's how the structure of these agreements are.
Sumit Sadana: You can imagine that when we get to our target number of agreements, which will go from the roughly 20% demand bits, roughly a third of NAND bits all the way to roughly accounting for half of the company's revenue, which is what we are likely to end up at, or somewhat more. You can imagine that the cash associated with all of those will significantly increase from the current $22 billion number. That cash is our customers' commitment to this new business model. That's how the structure of these agreements are.
Speaker #5: So that cash is our customers' commitment to this new business model, and that's how the structure of these agreements is.
Speaker #3: Thank you, that's helpful. Just for my follow-up question—I wanted to clarify about the cash deposits. It was my understanding that, towards the end of the agreement, you end up returning those back to the customers.
Tom O'Malley: Thank you. That's helpful. Just for my follow-up question, I wanted to clarify on the cash deposits. It was my understanding that towards the end of the agreement, you end up returning those back to the customers. The general question is, any strategic rationale for receiving those upfront and being able to use that at will, like any plans with that cash, and just any way to think through why it ends up getting returned back to customers instead of just being recognized as part of the revenue that you end up selling them in the agreements? Thank you.
Tom O'Malley: Thank you. That's helpful. Just for my follow-up question, I wanted to clarify on the cash deposits. It was my understanding that towards the end of the agreement, you end up returning those back to the customers. The general question is, any strategic rationale for receiving those upfront and being able to use that at will, like any plans with that cash, and just any way to think through why it ends up getting returned back to customers instead of just being recognized as part of the revenue that you end up selling them in the agreements? Thank you.
Speaker #3: So, just the general question is: is there any strategic rationale for receiving those upfront and being able to use that at will? Any plans for that cash?
Speaker #3: And just, any way to think through why it ends up getting returned back to customers instead of just being recognized as part of the revenue that you end up selling them in the agreements?
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #5: Yeah. I mean, our customers are going to, as per the terms of the agreement, they're going to be purchasing the volumes over the years, and the cash is sort of a contingency and a show of good faith and confidence in this new business model from our customers.
Sumit Sadana: Yeah, I mean, as per the terms of the agreement, they're going to be purchasing the volumes over the years. The cash is sort of a contingency, and a show of good faith and confidence in this new business model from our customers. Meaning, in the unlikely event that a customer is unable to purchase or does not purchase the volume at the price as determined by the terms of the agreement, then we do have the right to be able to decrement the cash balance that ultimately will get returned to them as one available remedy, but not the only available remedy. None of this ultimately relieves the customers of the liability of having to purchase the volumes over the term of the agreement at the agreed-upon prices. The cash is just one of the elements of the overall transaction.
Sumit Sadana: Yeah, I mean, as per the terms of the agreement, they're going to be purchasing the volumes over the years. The cash is sort of a contingency, and a show of good faith and confidence in this new business model from our customers. Meaning, in the unlikely event that a customer is unable to purchase or does not purchase the volume at the price as determined by the terms of the agreement, then we do have the right to be able to decrement the cash balance that ultimately will get returned to them as one available remedy, but not the only available remedy. None of this ultimately relieves the customers of the liability of having to purchase the volumes over the term of the agreement at the agreed-upon prices. The cash is just one of the elements of the overall transaction.
Speaker #5: Meaning, in the unlikely event that a customer is unable to purchase, or does not purchase, the volume at the price as determined by the terms of the agreement, then we do have the right to be able to decrement the cash balance that ultimately will get returned to them as one available remedy—but not the only available remedy.
Speaker #5: None of this ultimately relieves the customers of the liability of having to purchase the volumes over the term of the agreement at the agreed-upon prices.
Speaker #5: But the cash is just one of the elements of the overall transaction. The cash doesn't get returned all in one shot at the end of the term.
Sumit Sadana: The cash doesn't get returned all in one shot at the end of the term. It gets returned over a period of time, with the return of the cash weighted towards the second half of the term of the agreement.
Sumit Sadana: The cash doesn't get returned all in one shot at the end of the term. It gets returned over a period of time, with the return of the cash weighted towards the second half of the term of the agreement.
Speaker #5: It gets returned over a period of time, with the return of the cash weighted towards the second half of the term of the agreement.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Tom O'Malley: Thank you.
Tom O'Malley: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Melissa Weathers of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Melissa Weathers of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Melissa Weathers of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Hey there. Thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to ask about the non-HBM side of DRAM within the data center. You guys have talked a lot about SOCAM and using low-power DRAM for data center applications.
Melissa Weathers: Hey there. Thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to ask on the non-HBM side of DRAM within the data center. You guys have talked a lot about SOCAMM and using low power DRAM for data center applications, and especially as we see the mix of server CPUs increase with agentic AI. I was hoping you could give an update on how you guys are seeing the growth in demand for SOCAMM attach, and what kind of trends are you seeing in adoption there?
Melissa Weathers: Hey there. Thank you for taking my questions. I wanted to ask on the non-HBM side of DRAM within the data center. You guys have talked a lot about SOCAMM and using low power DRAM for data center applications, and especially as we see the mix of server CPUs increase with agentic AI. I was hoping you could give an update on how you guys are seeing the growth in demand for SOCAMM attach, and what kind of trends are you seeing in adoption there?
Speaker #2: And especially as we see the mix of server CPUs increase with agentic AI, I was hoping you could give an update on how you guys are seeing the growth in demand for SOCAM attach, and what kind of trends are you seeing in adoption there.
Sumit Sadana: Sure, Melissa. The agentic AI, as you noted, drives a lot of growth in CPU demand and CPU-based servers. That is certainly a trend that we are seeing. These CPU-based servers are coming from multiple different suppliers. You are seeing a lot of companies announce products targeted towards the data center for CPUs. You have x86-based CPUs. You have CPUs from Nvidia, Qualcomm announced CPU. I mean, there is lots of different possibilities for types of CPUs that could be used in the data center over time to drive the use of agentic AI. We have CPUs that use DDR5, as well as plans from our customers to increase the use of LPDRAM in the data center. When LPDRAM gets used, it will be in the SOCAMM form factor. As you know, Micron has been a pioneer.
Sumit Sadana: Sure, Melissa. The agentic AI, as you noted, drives a lot of growth in CPU demand and CPU-based servers. That is certainly a trend that we are seeing. These CPU-based servers are coming from multiple different suppliers. You are seeing a lot of companies announce products targeted towards the data center for CPUs. You have x86-based CPUs. You have CPUs from Nvidia, Qualcomm announced CPU. I mean, there is lots of different possibilities for types of CPUs that could be used in the data center over time to drive the use of agentic AI. We have CPUs that use DDR5, as well as plans from our customers to increase the use of LPDRAM in the data center. When LPDRAM gets used, it will be in the SOCAMM form factor. As you know, Micron has been a pioneer.
Speaker #5: Sure. Melissa, the agentic AI, as you noted, drives a lot of growth in CPU demand and CPU-based servers, and that is certainly a trend that we are seeing.
Speaker #5: These CPU-based servers are coming from multiple different suppliers. You're seeing a lot of companies announce products targeted towards the data center for CPUs. You have x86-based CPUs.
Speaker #5: You have CPUs from NVIDIA; Qualcomm announced a CPU. I mean, there are lots of different possibilities for types of CPUs that could be used in the data center over time to drive the use of agentic AI.
Speaker #5: And we have CPUs that use DDR5, as well as plans from our customers to increase the use of LPDRAM in the data center. When LPDRAM gets used, it will be in the SoCAM form factor.
Speaker #5: And as you know, Micron has been a pioneer. We were first in the industry to not just drive the usage of LPDRAM, and we were, for the longest time, sole-sourced on LPDRAM in the data center. But we were also the pioneers in bringing out new products first to market with the SOCAM form factor.
Sumit Sadana: We were first in the industry to not just drive the usage of LPDRAM, and we were, for the longest time, sole sourced on LPDRAM in the data center. We were also the pioneers in bringing out new products first to market with the SOCAMM form factor. We continue to expect that this is going to be an area of differentiation for us with our customers. We are a recognized leader in this space. We have market leadership in all of these products. We have really strong engagement with customers who intend to use LPDRAM as a way of reducing the power consumption, increasing the performance, and even reducing the footprint of memory. Certainly these SOCAMMs help do all of that.
Sumit Sadana: We were first in the industry to not just drive the usage of LPDRAM, and we were, for the longest time, sole sourced on LPDRAM in the data center. We were also the pioneers in bringing out new products first to market with the SOCAMM form factor. We continue to expect that this is going to be an area of differentiation for us with our customers. We are a recognized leader in this space. We have market leadership in all of these products. We have really strong engagement with customers who intend to use LPDRAM as a way of reducing the power consumption, increasing the performance, and even reducing the footprint of memory. Certainly these SOCAMMs help do all of that.
Speaker #5: So, we continue to expect that this is going to be an area of differentiation for us with our customers. We are a recognized leader in this space.
Speaker #5: We have market leadership in all of these products. We have really strong engagement with customers who intend to use LPDRAM as a way of reducing power consumption, increasing performance, and even reducing the footprint of memory.
Speaker #5: So certainly, these SOCAMs help do all of that. There are RAS-related complications—reliability, availability, and serviceability-related—that have to be worked through for LPDRAM, because LPDRAM was not really designed for data centers.
Sumit Sadana: There are RAS-related complications, reliability, availability, and serviceability-related complications that have to be worked through for LPDRAM, because LPDRAM was not really designed for data centers, and that is where we are bringing in differentiation and helping our customers deal with that. We expect LPDRAM to grow over time as a percent of consumption of DRAM in the data center, and we expect to be leaders in that front.
Sumit Sadana: There are RAS-related complications, reliability, availability, and serviceability-related complications that have to be worked through for LPDRAM, because LPDRAM was not really designed for data centers, and that is where we are bringing in differentiation and helping our customers deal with that. We expect LPDRAM to grow over time as a percent of consumption of DRAM in the data center, and we expect to be leaders in that front.
Speaker #5: And that's where we are bringing in differentiation and helping our customers deal with that. We expect LPDRAM to grow over time as a percent of consumption of DRAM in the data center.
Speaker #5: And we expect to be leaders in that.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And then maybe one for—I don't know if it's Manish or Mark—but as we think about Idaho 1, Tonguo, Idaho 2, as we think about these greenfield fabs starting to have wafer outs in next year and the year after that, can you remind us, or is there—how should we think about the impact of startup costs or just the incremental impact on cost per bit that we should be flowing through as those greenfield fabs come online?
Melissa Weathers: Thank you. Maybe one for, I don't know if it is Manish or Mark, but as we think about Idaho One, Tongluo, Idaho Two, as we think about these greenfield fabs starting to have wafer outs in next year and the year after that, can you remind us, or how should we think about the impact of startup costs or just the incremental impact on cost per bit that we should be flowing through as those greenfield fabs come online?
Melissa Weathers: Thank you. Maybe one for, I don't know if it is Manish or Mark, but as we think about Idaho One, Tongluo, Idaho Two, as we think about these greenfield fabs starting to have wafer outs in next year and the year after that, can you remind us, or how should we think about the impact of startup costs or just the incremental impact on cost per bit that we should be flowing through as those greenfield fabs come online?
Speaker #3: So I'll let Mark handle the technical question on the startup cost accounting. But we did say, Melissa, on this call that given the trend that the industry-wide trend towards higher performance solutions such as HBM and even within the HBM category, higher trade ratios expected in the future with HBM, which obviously requires more silicon per bit, versus traditional DRAM.
Manish Bhatia: I'll let Mark handle the technical question on the startup cost accounting. We did say, Melissa, on this call that, given the industry-wide trend towards higher performance solutions such as HBM and even within the HBM category, higher trade ratios expected in the future with HBM, which obviously requires more silicon per bit versus traditional DRAM. As well as with greenfield build-out, which it doesn't get the same leverage on existing capacity as our traditional technology transition models for the industry have. Both of these trends to higher performance and as well as greenfield investments that take time to ramp scale and are not as efficient, both of these are going to be trends that we expect will actually increase DRAM bit costs here in the near term. That was one thing that we did have in the prepared remarks.
Manish Bhatia: I'll let Mark handle the technical question on the startup cost accounting. We did say, Melissa, on this call that, given the industry-wide trend towards higher performance solutions such as HBM and even within the HBM category, higher trade ratios expected in the future with HBM, which obviously requires more silicon per bit versus traditional DRAM. As well as with greenfield build-out, which it doesn't get the same leverage on existing capacity as our traditional technology transition models for the industry have. Both of these trends to higher performance and as well as greenfield investments that take time to ramp scale and are not as efficient, both of these are going to be trends that we expect will actually increase DRAM bit costs here in the near term. That was one thing that we did have in the prepared remarks.
Speaker #3: As well as with greenfield buildout, which doesn't get the same leverage on existing capacity as our traditional technology transition models for the industry have.
Speaker #3: Both of these trends to higher performance and as well as greenfield investments that take time to ramp scale and are not as efficient. Both of these are going to be trends that we expect will actually increase DRAM bit cost here in the near term.
Speaker #3: So, that was one thing that we did have in the fair remarks. And then, Mark, I think you can—and that goes for ID1, for Tonguo, for ID2.
Manish Bhatia: Mark, I think you can, and that goes for ID1, for Tongluo, for ID2. Those are kind of all elements of that greenfield build-out, and that's something that we expect will be an industry-wide phenomenon. Mark, you can comment. I think you've given some commentary before in terms of timing of the startup costs for facilities and how it'll impact the P&L.
Manish Bhatia: Mark, I think you can, and that goes for ID1, for Tongluo, for ID2. Those are kind of all elements of that greenfield build-out, and that's something that we expect will be an industry-wide phenomenon. Mark, you can comment. I think you've given some commentary before in terms of timing of the startup costs for facilities and how it'll impact the P&L.
Speaker #3: Those are all elements of that greenfield build-out, and that's something we expect will be an industry-wide phenomenon. And then, Mark, you can comment.
Speaker #3: I think you've given some commentary before in terms of the timing of the startup costs for facilities and how it will impact the P&L.
Speaker #4: Yeah. So, Melissa, as Manish mentioned, there are a number of factors that will bias the cost up in DRAM over time here. Yeah, the trade ratios, as he mentioned, for HBM and actually LP, the greenfield facilities.
Mark Murphy: Melissa, as Manish mentioned, there are a number of factors that will bias the costs up and in DRAM over time here. The trade ratios, as he mentioned, for HBM and actually LP, the greenfield facilities. To your question on startup, we've talked about this before. We begin to see startup costs more meaningfully begin here in Q4 and then into H1 of next year. You'll see 2027 at elevated levels, think about $100, $200 million per quarter effect versus what we had seen at previous run rates. What that will be over time will just be a function. The various RAM profiles of fabs, as you point out, Tongluo and ID1 are the first to go here.
Mark Murphy: Melissa, as Manish mentioned, there are a number of factors that will bias the costs up and in DRAM over time here. The trade ratios, as he mentioned, for HBM and actually LP, the greenfield facilities. To your question on startup, we've talked about this before. We begin to see startup costs more meaningfully begin here in Q4 and then into H1 of next year. You'll see 2027 at elevated levels, think about $100, $200 million per quarter effect versus what we had seen at previous run rates. What that will be over time will just be a function. The various RAM profiles of fabs, as you point out, Tongluo and ID1 are the first to go here.
Speaker #4: And to your question on startup, we've talked about this before. We begin to see startup costs more meaningfully begin here in the fourth quarter, and then into the first half of next year.
Speaker #4: And so you'll see 27 at elevated levels—think about $100 million, $200 million per quarter effect versus what we had seen previous run rates. And then what that will be over time will just be a function of the various ramp profiles of fabs, of which, as you point out, Tonguo and ID1 are the first to go here.
Mark Murphy: We provided more color on this, I think it was maybe at the end of maybe 2024, beginning of 2025, because it was a more material effect to the business at that time. I think I had said at the time, maybe a half a point to a point plus of margin effect. Today, with the size of the business, this effect is much reduced from before. Obviously, the faster we can get capacity on, which we're obviously trying to do for our customers to get much needed supply, the benefit of that incremental bits is going to outweigh this incremental associated cost of startup.
Mark Murphy: We provided more color on this, I think it was maybe at the end of maybe 2024, beginning of 2025, because it was a more material effect to the business at that time. I think I had said at the time, maybe a half a point to a point plus of margin effect. Today, with the size of the business, this effect is much reduced from before. Obviously, the faster we can get capacity on, which we're obviously trying to do for our customers to get much needed supply, the benefit of that incremental bits is going to outweigh this incremental associated cost of startup.
Speaker #4: We would provide more color on this. I think it was maybe at the end of '24, beginning of '25, because it was a more material effect to the business at that time.
Speaker #4: I think I had said at the time maybe a half a point to a point-plus of margin effect. Today, with the size of the business, this effect is much reduced.
Speaker #4: From before. And obviously, the faster we can get capacity on—which we're obviously trying to do for our customers to get much-needed supply—the benefit of that incremental bit is going to outweigh this incremental associated cost at startup.
Speaker #2: Thank you both.
Melissa Weathers: Thank you both.
Melissa Weathers: Thank you both.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thanks for doing this callback. So just to make sure Manish and Mark are aware, on the 16 SCAs that you announced—the four large customers—does that include any HBM? And do they include some of the major CSPs within that, or can you give us some more color?
Vijay Rakesh: Thanks for doing this call back. Just, Sumit, Manish, and Mark, on the 16 SCAs that you announced, the four large customers, does it include any HBM? Do they include some of the major CSPs within that, or can you give us some more color?
Vijay Rakesh: Thanks for doing this call back. Just, Sumit, Manish, and Mark, on the 16 SCAs that you announced, the four large customers, does it include any HBM? Do they include some of the major CSPs within that, or can you give us some more color?
Speaker #6: Sure. The SCAs that we have signed already do include some hyperscalers. And where the purchasing for those hyperscalers requires HBM, that is part of the overall agreement.
Manish Bhatia: Sure. The SCAs that we have signed already do include some hyperscalers, where the purchasing for those hyperscalers requires HBM, that is part of the overall agreement.
Manish Bhatia: Sure. The SCAs that we have signed already do include some hyperscalers, where the purchasing for those hyperscalers requires HBM, that is part of the overall agreement.
Speaker #5: Got it. And then just a quick follow-up on the $22 billion deposit. Is the intention that you hold it for the five-year contract period, or as the customers buy the product, is it prorated and runs through it?
Vijay Rakesh: Got it. Then, just a quick follow-up on the $22 billion deposit. Is the intention that you hold it for the five-year contract period, or as the customers buy the product, it's prorated and runs through it? If you could just clarify that. Thanks.
Vijay Rakesh: Got it. Then, just a quick follow-up on the $22 billion deposit. Is the intention that you hold it for the five-year contract period, or as the customers buy the product, it's prorated and runs through it? If you could just clarify that. Thanks.
Speaker #5: If you could just clarify that. Thanks.
Speaker #6: Yeah, I mean, it's not a prorated type of thing. It is a customer cash deposit, and it's not a prepaid revenue or anything like that.
Manish Bhatia: Yeah, it's not a prorated type of a thing. It is a customer cash deposit, and it's not a prepaid revenue or things like that. It gets returned to customers on a predefined schedule that has been agreed to, that X amount will be returned in Y quarter over time. It is back-end loaded in terms of the H2 of the agreement term is when the bulk of the return of the customer deposit occurs. Of course, the cash would be returned, assuming it hasn't been decremented for reasons driven by the terms of the-
Manish Bhatia: Yeah, it's not a prorated type of a thing. It is a customer cash deposit, and it's not a prepaid revenue or things like that. It gets returned to customers on a predefined schedule that has been agreed to, that X amount will be returned in Y quarter over time. It is back-end loaded in terms of the H2 of the agreement term is when the bulk of the return of the customer deposit occurs. Of course, the cash would be returned, assuming it hasn't been decremented for reasons driven by the terms of the-
Speaker #6: And it gets returned to customers on a predefined schedule that has been agreed to—so that X amount will be returned in Y quarter over time.
Speaker #6: And it is back-end loaded in terms of the second half of the agreement term, which is when the bulk of the return of the customer deposit occurs.
Speaker #6: And of course, the cash would be returned, assuming it hasn't been decremented for reasons driven by the term of the year.
Speaker #5: Got it. Thank you.
Vijay Rakesh: Got it. Thank you.
Vijay Rakesh: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Manish Bhatia: Thank you.
Manish Bhatia: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from the line of Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of James Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of James Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Thanks for taking my question. Just stepping back for a moment, as you've had discussions with your customers about their forecast demand needs—let's say through the end of fiscal '28 or the end of calendar '28—where do you think you will end up in terms of the percentage of the forecasted demand that they have, in terms of your ability to supply?
James Schneider: Thanks for taking my question. Just stepping back for a moment, as you've had discussions with your customers about their forecast demand needs, let's say through the end of fiscal 2028 or the end of calendar 2028, Where do you think you will end up in terms of the percentage of the forecasted demand that they have in terms of your ability to supply? Is it something that's going to be 70%, 90%? I guess, how do you expect that to close over time? Clearly, there is a gap between your ability to build facilities and where the demand is, maybe give us a sense at a point in time what percentage that represents.
James Schneider: Thanks for taking my question. Just stepping back for a moment, as you've had discussions with your customers about their forecast demand needs, let's say through the end of fiscal 2028 or the end of calendar 2028, Where do you think you will end up in terms of the percentage of the forecasted demand that they have in terms of your ability to supply? Is it something that's going to be 70%, 90%? I guess, how do you expect that to close over time? Clearly, there is a gap between your ability to build facilities and where the demand is, maybe give us a sense at a point in time what percentage that represents.
Speaker #7: I mean, is it something that's going to be 70%, 90%? And I guess, how do you expect that to close over time? Clearly, there is a gap between your ability to build facilities and where the demand is.
Speaker #7: But maybe give us a sense, at a point in time, what percentage that represents.
Speaker #6: Yeah, I mean, that isn't a homogeneous percentage number that we can provide because our strategy is different for each segment of the market. Of course, we try to be very diversified.
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. There isn't a homogenous percentage number that we can provide because our strategy is different for each segment of the market. Of course, we try to be very diversified, and we are very committed to supporting each of the segments of the market. As you can imagine, if the automotive industry can only do 50% or 70% of the units, then that would be a catastrophic problem for that portion of the market. We can't have a one-size-fits-all kind of an approach. There are a number of complex factors that go into the assessment of what kind of fulfillment rate would be appropriate for what kind of customer in what kind of segment, in what kind of geography. There are lots of different factors that play into that.
Sumit Sadana: Yeah. There isn't a homogenous percentage number that we can provide because our strategy is different for each segment of the market. Of course, we try to be very diversified, and we are very committed to supporting each of the segments of the market. As you can imagine, if the automotive industry can only do 50% or 70% of the units, then that would be a catastrophic problem for that portion of the market. We can't have a one-size-fits-all kind of an approach. There are a number of complex factors that go into the assessment of what kind of fulfillment rate would be appropriate for what kind of customer in what kind of segment, in what kind of geography. There are lots of different factors that play into that.
Speaker #6: And we are very committed to supporting each of the segments of the market. But as you can imagine, if the automotive industry can only do 50 or 70 percent of the units, then that would be a catastrophic problem.
Speaker #6: For that portion of the market. So we can't have a one-size-fits-all kind of approach. There are a number of complex factors that go into the assessment of what kind of fulfillment rate would be appropriate for what kind of customer, what kind of segment, and what kind of geography.
Speaker #6: So, there are lots of different factors that play into that. With that said, I would say that the general sentiment among customers is that we are very short of their demand.
Sumit Sadana: With that said, I would say that the general sentiment amongst customers is that we are very short of their demand. For some customers, we are extremely short. Some of our supply numbers are a fraction of what they want. In other parts of the market, albeit smaller parts of the market that are super important sectors of the economy, like automotive and some critical parts like defense, aerospace, some important industrial markets, including medical equipment and so on. Obviously, we try to do our best to minimize the impact. I'm not saying that those customers get everything they want, at least we try to minimize the impact that they are going through in this very challenging environment of tightness. Broadly speaking, the overall aggregate supply is substantially below the aggregate demand for both DRAM and NAND. Of course, DRAM is just extremely constrained.
Sumit Sadana: With that said, I would say that the general sentiment amongst customers is that we are very short of their demand. For some customers, we are extremely short. Some of our supply numbers are a fraction of what they want. In other parts of the market, albeit smaller parts of the market that are super important sectors of the economy, like automotive and some critical parts like defense, aerospace, some important industrial markets, including medical equipment and so on. Obviously, we try to do our best to minimize the impact. I'm not saying that those customers get everything they want, at least we try to minimize the impact that they are going through in this very challenging environment of tightness. Broadly speaking, the overall aggregate supply is substantially below the aggregate demand for both DRAM and NAND. Of course, DRAM is just extremely constrained.
Speaker #6: For some customers, we are extremely, extremely short. Some of our supply numbers are a fraction of what they want. And then, in other parts of the market—albeit smaller parts of the market, but super important sectors of the economy like automotive and some critical parts like defense, aerospace, some important industrial markets including medical equipment, and so on—obviously, we try to do our best to minimize the impact. I’m not saying that those customers get everything they want, but at least we try to minimize the impact that they are going through in this very challenging environment of tightness.
Speaker #6: So, broadly speaking, the overall aggregate supply is substantially below the aggregate demand for both DRAM and NAND. Of course, DRAM is just extremely, extremely constrained.
Speaker #6: HBM is very constrained. All the segments are seeing those challenges.
Sumit Sadana: HBM is very constrained. All the segments are seeing those challenges.
Sumit Sadana: HBM is very constrained. All the segments are seeing those challenges.
Speaker #2: So, Jim, it's Mark. If I could just add in this to build on Samet's comments about supply efforts: we are, as you heard—and you heard Manish talk about—the RAM side you want in Tonga.
Mark Murphy: Jim, it's Mark. If I could just add in this to build on Sumit's comments about supply efforts. As you heard, and you heard Manish talk about the ramps, ID 1 and Tonglu, we're doing everything we can to bring on supply. You heard us today, between adding construction and tool installs in the Q4 here, we're increasing our fiscal 2026 CapEx number to around $27 billion. We're also going to increase substantially CapEx next year, and more than half of that increase will be construction. We did provide some comments last quarter about the increase FY 2026 and 2027. Based on our comments, you may have come up with numbers that are sort of in the low to mid-40s, and we will be spending above that level as we look at it today.
Mark Murphy: Jim, it's Mark. If I could just add in this to build on Sumit's comments about supply efforts. As you heard, and you heard Manish talk about the ramps, ID 1 and Tonglu, we're doing everything we can to bring on supply. You heard us today, between adding construction and tool installs in the Q4 here, we're increasing our fiscal 2026 CapEx number to around $27 billion. We're also going to increase substantially CapEx next year, and more than half of that increase will be construction. We did provide some comments last quarter about the increase FY 2026 and 2027. Based on our comments, you may have come up with numbers that are sort of in the low to mid-40s, and we will be spending above that level as we look at it today.
Speaker #2: We're doing everything we can to bring on supply. You heard us today—between adding construction and tool installs in the fourth quarter here, we’re increasing our fiscal '26 capex number to '27—around $27 billion.
Speaker #2: We're also going to increase capex substantially next year, and more than half of that increase will be for construction. Now, we did provide some comments last quarter about the increase for FY '26 and '27.
Speaker #2: Based on our comments, you may have come up with numbers that are in the low to mid-40s, and we will be spending above that level.
Speaker #2: As we look at it today, we're exiting—we'll do about $10 billion this quarter, and we will step up from there and do $27 billion.
Mark Murphy: We'll do about $10 billion this quarter, and we will step up from there into 2027.
Mark Murphy: We'll do about $10 billion this quarter, and we will step up from there into 2027.
Speaker #7: Thanks, that was exactly where my next question was, which is: given that run rate sort of implies mid-40s, and you said you're going to do above that...
James Schneider: Thanks. That was exactly where my next question was, which is, given that run rate sort of implies mid-40s, you said you're going to do above that. I guess, what are the chances you're going to do materially above 50? Is something like 55 or 60 even in the cards?
James Schneider: Thanks. That was exactly where my next question was, which is, given that run rate sort of implies mid-40s, you said you're going to do above that. I guess, what are the chances you're going to do materially above 50? Is something like 55 or 60 even in the cards?
Speaker #7: But I guess, what are the chances you're going to do materially above 50? Is something like 55 or 60 even in the cards?
Speaker #2: No, I mean—if we were... We're not going to give a CapEx number, but if the number were that order of magnitude, I think we'd owe it to you to update you more specifically, yeah.
Mark Murphy: No. We're not going to give a CapEx number, but if the number were that order of magnitude, I think we'd owe it to you to update you more specifically. We're going to run about $10 billion this quarter. We'll step up from there. We are going to be, I believe, higher than the mid-40s. We're going to remain extremely disciplined as we always are. The ops team's been amazing on figuring out how to sweat these assets that we have as much as possible and then accelerating all these greenfield capacity adds that we have.
Mark Murphy: No. We're not going to give a CapEx number, but if the number were that order of magnitude, I think we'd owe it to you to update you more specifically. We're going to run about $10 billion this quarter. We'll step up from there. We are going to be, I believe, higher than the mid-40s. We're going to remain extremely disciplined as we always are. The ops team's been amazing on figuring out how to sweat these assets that we have as much as possible and then accelerating all these greenfield capacity adds that we have.
Speaker #2: We're going to run about $10 billion this quarter. We'll step up from there. We are going to be, I believe, higher than—we'll be higher than the mid-40s.
Speaker #2: And we're going to remain extremely disciplined, as we always are. I mean, the ops team's been amazing at figuring out how to sweat these assets that we have as much as possible.
Speaker #2: And then accelerating all these greenfield capacity adds that we have.
Speaker #7: So I think that we've mentioned a couple of times that the majority of the fiscal '27 capex, Jim, is for construction, which kind of also gives you some indication that those construction dollars are not going to be producing bits in that time horizon, which is why we also talked about—for us and the industry—the kind of greenfield capacity really starts to contribute to bits in calendar '28.
Manish Bhatia: And I think-
Manish Bhatia: And I think-
Mark Murphy: Manish
Mark Murphy: Manish
Manish Bhatia: We've mentioned a couple of times that the majority of the fiscal 2027 CapEx, Jim, is for construction, which kind of also gives you some indication of those construction dollars are not going to be producing bits in that time horizon, which is why we also talked about for us in the industry, the kind of greenfield capacity really starts to contribute to bits in calendar 2028. Even with that supply improvement, we don't see, as Sumit was saying earlier, an intercept for supply with demand.
Manish Bhatia: We've mentioned a couple of times that the majority of the fiscal 2027 CapEx, Jim, is for construction, which kind of also gives you some indication of those construction dollars are not going to be producing bits in that time horizon, which is why we also talked about for us in the industry, the kind of greenfield capacity really starts to contribute to bits in calendar 2028. Even with that supply improvement, we don't see, as Sumit was saying earlier, an intercept for supply with demand.
Speaker #7: And even with that supply improvement, we don't see, as Samit was saying earlier, an intersection of supply with demand.
Speaker #5: Very helpful, caller. Thank you, all.
James Schneider: Very helpful call. Thank you all.
James Schneider: Very helpful call. Thank you all.
Speaker #3: Your final question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers of Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your final question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers of Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your final question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers of Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: Yeah, thanks for doing this call and taking the questions. I have one, and then a follow-up as well. On the FDAs—I know I was asked about HBM—but I'm curious about the NAND flash market.
Aaron Rakers: Yeah, thanks for doing this call and taking the questions. I have one and one follow-up as well. On the SCAs, I know it was asked about HBM, but I'm curious about the NAND flash market. Obviously, that market, it seems to be further constrained. As you're engaging with your customers on these SCAs, is there a strategic advantage you're finding of having both NAND and DRAM in your portfolio competitively in these engagements? Is NAND pervasive across these SCAs or any context around that, particularly as it relates to enterprise SSDs?
Aaron Rakers: Yeah, thanks for doing this call and taking the questions. I have one and one follow-up as well. On the SCAs, I know it was asked about HBM, but I'm curious about the NAND flash market. Obviously, that market, it seems to be further constrained. As you're engaging with your customers on these SCAs, is there a strategic advantage you're finding of having both NAND and DRAM in your portfolio competitively in these engagements? Is NAND pervasive across these SCAs or any context around that, particularly as it relates to enterprise SSDs?
Speaker #8: Obviously, that market seems to be further constrained. So, as you're engaging with your customers on these FDAs, is there a strategic advantage you're finding in having both NAND and DRAM in your portfolio competitively in these engagements?
Speaker #8: Is NAND pervasive across these FDAs, or is there any context around that, particularly as it relates to enterprise SSDs?
Speaker #6: Sure. Yeah. I mean, our enterprise SSD momentum is exceptionally strong. And we provided you some data points on that, with a $5 billion quarter in FQ3 for enterprise— for data center SSDs, outside of the— inside of the $25 billion overall data center revenue for the quarter.
Sumit Sadana: Sure. Yeah. Our enterprise SSD momentum is exceptionally strong, and we provided you some data points on that with a $5 billion quarter in Q3 for enterprises, for data center SSDs inside of the $25 billion overall data center revenue for the quarter. Absolutely, we do feel really good about the fact that we have incredibly strong portfolio of products both on the NAND and DRAM side. They, of course, stand on their own feet individually in terms of their capabilities. We have hit record share after record share of data center SSDs over time due to the strength of that portfolio. You know the strength of our DRAM portfolio, both in terms of HBM and non-HBM products. Now, in terms of the levels of constraint, both DRAM and NAND are very constrained.
Sumit Sadana: Sure. Yeah. Our enterprise SSD momentum is exceptionally strong, and we provided you some data points on that with a $5 billion quarter in Q3 for enterprises, for data center SSDs inside of the $25 billion overall data center revenue for the quarter. Absolutely, we do feel really good about the fact that we have incredibly strong portfolio of products both on the NAND and DRAM side. They, of course, stand on their own feet individually in terms of their capabilities. We have hit record share after record share of data center SSDs over time due to the strength of that portfolio. You know the strength of our DRAM portfolio, both in terms of HBM and non-HBM products. Now, in terms of the levels of constraint, both DRAM and NAND are very constrained.
Speaker #6: And so, absolutely, we do feel really good about the fact that we have an incredibly strong portfolio of products, both on the NAND and DRAM side.
Speaker #6: They, of course, stand on their own feet individually. In terms of their capabilities, we have hit record share after record share of data center SSDs over time, due to the strength of that portfolio.
Speaker #6: And you know the strength of our DRAM portfolio, both in terms of HBM and non-HBM products. Now, in terms of the levels of constraint, both DRAM and NAND are very constrained.
Speaker #6: Of course, when we talk to customers across this long horizon of time, through the 2030 calendar year—through the end of the 2030 calendar year, which is the term of a lot of these large FDAs—they are definitely interested in getting their hands on NAND, but DRAM is certainly far more constrained.
Sumit Sadana: Of course, when we talk to customers across this long horizon of time through the end of 2030 calendar year, which is the term of a lot of these large SCAs, they are definitely interested in getting their hands on NAND, DRAM is certainly far more constrained and more difficult to supply in the quantities and volumes that our customers need. Like I said, NAND is very constrained, too, but the sense of concern and urgency in the minds of our customers around DRAM is very, very high.
Sumit Sadana: Of course, when we talk to customers across this long horizon of time through the end of 2030 calendar year, which is the term of a lot of these large SCAs, they are definitely interested in getting their hands on NAND, DRAM is certainly far more constrained and more difficult to supply in the quantities and volumes that our customers need. Like I said, NAND is very constrained, too, but the sense of concern and urgency in the minds of our customers around DRAM is very, very high.
Speaker #6: And more difficult to supply in the quantities and volumes that our customers need. But like I said, NAND is very constrained too.
Speaker #6: But the sense of concern and urgency in the minds of our customers around DRAM is very, very high.
Speaker #5: Yep, very helpful. And then my final question on the competitive landscape: I'm always trying to think about what vector could change some of the dynamics in the backdrop that we're talking very constructively about.
Aaron Rakers: Yep. Very helpful. My final question on the competitive landscape, always trying to think about what vector could change some of the dynamics and the backdrop that we're talking very constructively about. I'm curious how you've evolved your thoughts around China and the competition from either be it CXMT or YMTC. Have you seen any changes on that front or anything you want to share, how you view the competitive landscape from that regard? Thank you.
Aaron Rakers: Yep. Very helpful. My final question on the competitive landscape, always trying to think about what vector could change some of the dynamics and the backdrop that we're talking very constructively about. I'm curious how you've evolved your thoughts around China and the competition from either be it CXMT or YMTC. Have you seen any changes on that front or anything you want to share, how you view the competitive landscape from that regard? Thank you.
Speaker #5: I'm curious how you've evolved your thoughts around China and the competition from either CXMT or YMTC. Have you seen any changes on that front?
Speaker #5: Or anything you want to share about how you view the competitive landscape in that regard? Thank you.
Sumit Sadana: Sure. Certainly those two companies have grown over the years in terms of their capabilities and share. Most of their output, the overwhelming majority of their output tends to be sold within China. We haven't really seen much by way of their product or competition from them outside of China. With that said, we are very focused from a competitive perspective in driving really the highest performing, most complex products in the portfolio. When you look at NAND, we are focused on data center SSDs in a very single-minded way. You have seen us also do really well on QLC across client SSDs, but also in data center SSDs. We are the QLC leader in the world. We are leaders in PCIe Gen6, first company to come out with PCIe Gen6 drives, and we have ramped them in volume.
Sumit Sadana: Sure. Certainly those two companies have grown over the years in terms of their capabilities and share. Most of their output, the overwhelming majority of their output tends to be sold within China. We haven't really seen much by way of their product or competition from them outside of China. With that said, we are very focused from a competitive perspective in driving really the highest performing, most complex products in the portfolio. When you look at NAND, we are focused on data center SSDs in a very single-minded way. You have seen us also do really well on QLC across client SSDs, but also in data center SSDs. We are the QLC leader in the world. We are leaders in PCIe Gen6, first company to come out with PCIe Gen6 drives, and we have ramped them in volume.
Speaker #6: Sure. I mean, certainly, those two companies have grown over the years, in terms of their capabilities and share. Most of their output, the overwhelming majority of their output tends to be sold within China.
Speaker #6: We haven't really seen much by way of their product or competition from them outside of China. With that said, we are very focused from a competitive perspective on driving really the highest-performing, most complex products in the portfolios.
Speaker #6: So when you look at NAND, we have focused on data center SSDs in a very single-minded way. You have seen us also do really well on QLC across client SSDs, but also in data center SSDs.
Speaker #6: We have the QLC leader in the world. We are leaders in Gen 6, the first company to come out with Gen 6 drives, and we have ramped them in volume.
Speaker #6: So when you look at that, or you look at the highest-capacity 245-terabyte drives, we are a leader there. You have seen the strength of our DRAM portfolio as well.
Sumit Sadana: Whether you look at that or you look at the highest capacity 245 terabyte drives, we are a leader there. You have seen the strength of our DRAM portfolio as well, everything from HBM to high capacity DIMMs to LPDRAM leadership in the data center, to mobile and client LP leadership in those markets as well. We could go on and on on that, but our focus is to look for these complex, difficult to get right type of products, get into deep customer engagements across multiple years on the roadmap, gain their confidence in terms of being able to have a track record of meeting and beating time to market with the best specs in the industry, have a track record of innovation.
Sumit Sadana: Whether you look at that or you look at the highest capacity 245 terabyte drives, we are a leader there. You have seen the strength of our DRAM portfolio as well, everything from HBM to high capacity DIMMs to LPDRAM leadership in the data center, to mobile and client LP leadership in those markets as well. We could go on and on on that, but our focus is to look for these complex, difficult to get right type of products, get into deep customer engagements across multiple years on the roadmap, gain their confidence in terms of being able to have a track record of meeting and beating time to market with the best specs in the industry, have a track record of innovation.
Speaker #6: Everything from HBM to high-capacity DIMMs, to LPDRAM leadership in the data center, to mobile and client LP leadership in those markets as well. So we could go on and on about that, but our focus is to look for these complex, difficult-to-get-right types of products, get into deep customer engagements across multiple years on the roadmap, gain their confidence in terms of having a track record of meeting and beating time-to-market with the best specs in the industry, and have a track record of innovation.
Speaker #6: You have seen how many nodes in a row of DRAM and NAND we have been first-to-market on, how many products are first-to-market across the board.
Sumit Sadana: You have seen how many nodes in a row of DRAM and NAND we have been first to market on, how many products are first to market across the board. Of course, I would be remiss to not mention that we have one of the best intellectual property portfolios in the world. Almost 65,000 patents, and we are very aggressive and have a great track record in defending our IP over a number of years, a number of decades, in fact. Overall, we feel very good about where we are and the structural foundational changes in our business model that the combination of demand, the combination of structural supply challenges in the industry, and the place that AI is creating for memory, and its newfound relevance and importance and strategic nature, and now combined with these SCAs, are completely transformative for our business.
Sumit Sadana: You have seen how many nodes in a row of DRAM and NAND we have been first to market on, how many products are first to market across the board. Of course, I would be remiss to not mention that we have one of the best intellectual property portfolios in the world. Almost 65,000 patents, and we are very aggressive and have a great track record in defending our IP over a number of years, a number of decades, in fact. Overall, we feel very good about where we are and the structural foundational changes in our business model that the combination of demand, the combination of structural supply challenges in the industry, and the place that AI is creating for memory, and its newfound relevance and importance and strategic nature, and now combined with these SCAs, are completely transformative for our business.
Speaker #6: And of course, I would be remiss not to mention that we have one of the best intellectual property portfolios in the world—almost 65,000 patents—and we are very aggressive and have a great track record in defending our IP.
Speaker #6: Over a number of years—a number of decades, in fact—so overall, we feel very good about where we are and the structural, foundational changes in our business model. The combination of demand and the combination of structural supply challenges in the industry, and the place that AI is creating for memory with its newfound relevance, importance, and strategic nature, and now, combined with these SCAs, are completely transformative for everything.
Speaker #5: Yep. Thank you.
Aaron Rakers: Yep. Thank you.
Aaron Rakers: Yep. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Sumit Sadana: Thank you.
Sumit Sadana: Thank you.
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